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(???) i !
(???) ook at the main page of the Gentoo Linux distro ASAP:
(HTM) ttps://www.gentoo.org/
(TN3) oday, they are running a gopher server :
(GIF) opher://gopher.gentoo.org/
(???) - Denis
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(???) n 01 Apr 2015, at 14:03, Denis BERNARD <denis.bernard@laposte.net> wrote:
(???)
(???) Hi !
(???)
(???) Look at the main page of the Gentoo Linux distro ASAP:
(???)
(???) https://www.gentoo.org/
(???)
(???) Today, they are running a gopher server :
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.gentoo.org/ <gopher://gopher.gentoo.org/>
(???) nd not just *any* gopher server, but THE gopher server.
(???) UHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
(???) -D
(???) Kim
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(???) lass=3D"">On 01 Apr 2015, at 14:03, Denis BERNARD <<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:denis.bernard@laposte.net" =
(???) lass=3D"">denis.bernard@laposte.net</a>> wrote:<br =
(???) lass=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Hi !<br class=3D""><br=
(???) class=3D"">Look at the main page of the Gentoo Linux distro ASAP:<br =
(???) lass=3D""><br class=3D""><a href=3D"https://www.gentoo.org/" =
(???) lass=3D"">https://www.gentoo.org/</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Today,=
(???) they are running a gopher server :<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><a =
(HTM) ref=3D"gopher://gopher.gentoo.org/" =
(???) lass=3D"">gopher://gopher.gentoo.org/</a><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">And =
(???) ot just *any* gopher server, but THE gopher server.</div><div =
(???) lass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
(???) lass=3D"">MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA</div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">:-D</div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- =
(???) im</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
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(IMG) thought the trademark initials after CGA Web was a nice touch.
(???) att Holevinski
(???) n Apr 1, 2015 6:13 AM, "Kim Holviala" <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) On 01 Apr 2015, at 14:03, Denis BERNARD <denis.bernard@laposte.net> wrote:
(???)
(???)
(???) Hi !
(???)
(???) Look at the main page of the Gentoo Linux distro ASAP:
(???)
(???) https://www.gentoo.org/
(???)
(???) Today, they are running a gopher server :
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.gentoo.org/
(???)
(???)
(???) And not just *any* gopher server, but THE gopher server.
(???)
(???) MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
(???)
(???) :-D
(???)
(???)
(???) - Kim
(???)
(???)
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(???) p dir=3D"ltr">I thought the trademark initials after CGA Web was a nice to=
(???) ch.</p>
(???) p dir=3D"ltr">Matt Holevinski</p>
(???) div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Apr 1, 2015 6:13 AM, "Kim Holviala"=
(???) <<a href=3D"mailto:kim@holviala.com">kim@holviala.com</a>> wrote:<br=
(???) type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
(???) 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wra=
(PNG) :break-word">On 01 Apr 2015, at 14:03, Denis BERNARD <<a href=3D"mailto=
(???) denis.bernard@laposte.net" target=3D"_blank">denis.bernard@laposte.net</a>=
(???) gt; wrote:<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br><div>Hi !<br><br>Look at =
(???) he main page of the Gentoo Linux distro ASAP:<br><br><a href=3D"https://ww=
(???) .gentoo.org/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.gentoo.org/</a><br><br>Today, =
(???) hey are running a gopher server :<br><br><a href=3D"gopher://gopher.gentoo=
(???) org/" target=3D"_blank">gopher://gopher.gentoo.org/</a><br></div></blockqu=
(???) te></div><br><div>And not just *any* gopher server, but THE gopher server.=
(???) /div><div><br></div><div>MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA</div><div><br></div><div>:-=
(???) </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>- Kim</div><div><br></div><div><b=
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(???) omewhat strange: Gentoo distro doesn't package Gophernicus ! Look at their
(DOC) atabase:
(HTM) ttps://packages.gentoo.org/category/net-misc?full_cat
(???) nly gofish, sgopherd and geomyidae servers are provided. Maybe is it time
(???) o ask them why ?
(???) - Denis
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(???) uno Silva <nunojsilva@...> writes:
(???) There is a sort-of release number under /etc/gentoo-release. Although I
(???) am not sure if it is useful.
(???)
(???) n my gentoo, "cat /etc/gentoo-release" gives:
(???) entoo Base System release 2.2
(???) xplanations are given at:
(HTM) ttps://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Base
(???) n my Gentoo, "uname -a" gives:
(???) inux delta 3.18.7-gentoo #3 SMP Mon Feb 23 20:49:41 CET 2015 x86_64
(IMG) ntel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
(???) here "3.18.7-gentoo #3 SMP Mon Feb 23 20:49:41 CET 2015" is the version of
(???) inux kernel (gentoo patched) followed by "#3" that is the third compilation
(IMG) made for this kernel on the day of Feb 23.
(???) o, in my humble opinion, we can consider that a gentoo version can't exist.
(???) - Denis
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Running a gopher server under Docker
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(???) oes anyone who has built a gopher server have a configuration
(???) or running it under Docker?
(TN3) rying to sort through provisioning this stuff, and it strikes me that
(???) ith the proper packaging you should be able to launch a simple
(SND) erver with a default home page from a simple script. The challenge
s as always determining dependencies. Putting that all in a
(???) ockerfile strikes me as a reasonable goal.
(IMG) nspired by 1 April and the new Gentoo support for Gopher.
(???) hanks
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Does anyone who has built a gopher server have a configura=
(???) ion<div>for running it under Docker?</div><div><br></div><div>Trying to so=
(???) t through provisioning this stuff, and it strikes me that</div><div>with t=
(HTM) e proper packaging you should be able to launch a simple</div><div>server =
(???) ith a default home page from a simple script. The challenge</div><div>is a=
(SND) always determining dependencies. Putting that all in a=C2=A0</div><div>Do=
(???) kerfile strikes me as a reasonable goal.</div><div><br></div><div>Inspired=
(???) by 1 April and the new Gentoo support for Gopher.</div><div><br></div><div=
(???) thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Ed<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
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(???) mber-122" class=3D"gc-cs-link" title=3D"Call with Google Voice">+1 734 330=
(???) 2465</span></span><div><a href=3D"mailto:edward.vielmetti@gmail.com" targe=
(???) =3D"_blank">edward.vielmetti@gmail.com</a></div><div><br></div></div>
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Running a gopher server under Docker
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(HTM) ttps://registry.hub.docker.com/u/prologic/cgod/
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Edward Vielmetti <
(???) dward.vielmetti@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) Does anyone who has built a gopher server have a configuration
(???) for running it under Docker?
(???)
(???) Trying to sort through provisioning this stuff, and it strikes me that
(???) with the proper packaging you should be able to launch a simple
(???) server with a default home page from a simple script. The challenge
(???) is as always determining dependencies. Putting that all in a
(???) Dockerfile strikes me as a reasonable goal.
(???)
(???) Inspired by 1 April and the new Gentoo support for Gopher.
(???)
(???) thanks
(???)
(???) Ed
(???)
(???) --
(???) Edward Vielmetti +1 734 330 2465
(???) edward.vielmetti@gmail.com
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(???) ">https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/prologic/cgod/</a><br></div><div class=
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(???) style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">=
(???) br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><=
(???) ont face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new',=
(???) monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=
(???) 3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a><=
(???) font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospac=
(???) ;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://p=
(???) ologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',mon=
(???) space;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortc=
rcuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Edward Viel=
(???) etti <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:edward.vielmetti@gmail.com" t=
(???) rget=3D"_blank">edward.vielmetti@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><block=
(???) uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
(???) solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Does anyone who has built a gophe=
(???) server have a configuration<div>for running it under Docker?</div><div><b=
(???) ></div><div>Trying to sort through provisioning this stuff, and it strikes=
(???) me that</div><div>with the proper packaging you should be able to launch a=
(???) simple</div><div>server with a default home page from a simple script. The=
(???) challenge</div><div>is as always determining dependencies. Putting that al=
(???) in a=C2=A0</div><div>Dockerfile strikes me as a reasonable goal.</div><di=
(???) ><br></div><div>Inspired by 1 April and the new Gentoo support for Gopher.=
(???) /div><div><br></div><div>thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Ed<span class=3D"=
(???) OEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><di=
(???) ><span>Edward Vielmetti=C2=A0<span title=3D"Call with Google Voice">+1 734=
(???) 330 2465</span></span><div><a href=3D"mailto:edward.vielmetti@gmail.com" t=
(???) rget=3D"_blank">edward.vielmetti@gmail.com</a></div><div><br></div></div>
(???) /font></span></div></div>
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(???) oject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li=
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(???) rom gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Wed Apr 01 15:32:55 2015
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org>
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
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(???) (envelope-from <spectre@floodgap.com>) id 1YdIky-0008Ly-Nx
(???) for gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:32:34 +0000
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) by floodgap.com (6.6.6.666.1/2015.03.25) id t31DPdek8060964
(???) for gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 06:25:39 -0700
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <201504011325.t31DPdek8060964@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <EBD86967-5B85-4138-B3DD-1ECBCA7F5A4E@holviala.com> from Kim
(???) Holviala at "Apr 1, 15 02:05:59 pm"
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gentoo April Fools' Day
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(???) And not just *any* gopher server, but THE gopher server.
(???)
(???) MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
(???)
(???) :-D
(???) hat do the initials THE stand for?
(???) )
(???) -
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(???) - People are weird. -- Law & Order SVU ---------------------------------------
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(???) eceived: from localhost ([::1] helo=moszumanska.debian.org)
(???) eceived: from cloud.holviala.com ([212.71.246.238] helo=mail.holviala.com)
(???) by moszumanska.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80)
(???) (envelope-from <kim@holviala.com>) id 1YdIt5-0001PS-Q9
(???) for gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:40:56 +0000
(???) eceived: from pro.exclusive-networks.fi (unknown [94.246.89.167])
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(???) for <gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org>;
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(???) rom: Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com>
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(???) ate: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:40:48 +0300
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gentoo April Fools' Day
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(???) tatus: RO
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(???) n 01 Apr 2015, at 16:25, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???)
(???) > And not just *any* gopher server, but THE gopher server.
(???) >
(???) > MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
(???) >
(???) > :-D
(???)
(???) What do the initials THE stand for?
(TN3) he Hellishly Effective Gopher Server.
(???) -D
(???) Kim
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(???) eturn-path: <gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org>
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 02:01:17 +0200
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(???) (envelope-from <spectre@floodgap.com>) id 1YhoGz-0008Si-Ls
(???) for gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:00:15 +0000
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) by floodgap.com (6.6.6.666.1/2015.03.25) id t3E0027U8650978
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(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) ender: "Gopher-Project"
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(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,
(???) ubject: [gopher] Dooble adds Gopher support
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
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(???) -UID: 16
(???) as informed today that Dooble now has Gopher protocol support. This is a
(???) ebKit-based browser. The screenshot I was sent shows proportional fonts
(???) grrr) but it does appear to basically work along the same lines as OmniWeb.
(???) -
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(???) (envelope-from <gcgd-gopher@m.gmane.org>) id 1YhvIP-00025A-Go
(???) for gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:30:10 +0000
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(???) -Spam-Level:
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(???) ubject: [gopher] What are your favourite gopher holes?
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(???) tatus: RO
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(???) i!
(???) hich gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less
(???) bnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?
(???) ooking forward to your answers,
(???) hristian
(???) -
(???) ay you be peaceful, may you live in safety, may you be free from
(SND) uffering, and may you live with ease.
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(???) y own :) gopher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au
(IMG) read Daily Dilbert and XKCD daily this way :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Christian Kellermann <ckeen@pestilenz.org>
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(???) Hi!
(???)
(???) Which gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less
(???) obnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?
(???)
(???) Looking forward to your answers,
(???)
(???) Christian
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(???) --
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">my own :) gopher://<a href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.ne=
(???) .au">daisy.shortcircuit.net.au</a><div>I read Daily Dilbert and XKCD daily=
(???) this way :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><di=
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(???) 13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><b=
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(???) ', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" =
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(???) space;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"htt=
(PNG) ://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new'=
(???) ,monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.s=
(HTM) ortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Christian K=
(???) llermann <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ckeen@pestilenz.org" targ=
(???) t=3D"_blank">ckeen@pestilenz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
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(DOC) ing-left:1ex">Hi!<br>
(???) br>
(???) hich gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less<br>
(???) bnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?<br>
(???) br>
(???) ooking forward to your answers,<br>
(???) br>
(???) hristian<br>
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(???) -<br>
(???) ay you be peaceful, may you live in safety, may you be free from<br>
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(???) Which gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less
(???) obnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?
(IMG) mostly use Gopher as an internal monitoring means, for weather, and for
(???) intage software.
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(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > Which gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less
(???) > obnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?
(???)
(???) I mostly use Gopher as an internal monitoring means, for weather, and for
(???) vintage software.
(???) asically what Cameron said. I like it for checking news and weather,
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(???) ice work Kevin :)
(IMG) should get mine up to scratch :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro web
(???) framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. It is
(???) intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.
(???)
(???) You can view it live here:
(???) http://gopher.veroneau.net/
(???)
(???) Source code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:
(???) https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle
(???)
(???) Source in GopherSpace:
(???) gopher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle
(???)
(???) Future additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library to auto
(???) highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render HTML or
(???) create a PNG file on the fly.
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Nice work Kevin :)<div><br></div><div>I should get mine up=
(???) to scratch :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><=
(DOC) iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signat=
(???) re"><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-si=
(???) e:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font>=
(???) br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier =
(???) ew', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au=
(???) style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.=
(???) u</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',m=
(???) nospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"h=
(???) tp://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new&#=
(ERR) 9;,monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic=
(???) shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex">GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro=
(???) web framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. =
(???) It is intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ou can view it live here:<br>
(???) a href=3D"http://gopher.veroneau.net" target=3D"_blank">http://gopher.vero=
(???) eau.net</a>/<br>
(???) br>
(???) ource code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:<br>
(???) a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle" target=3D"_blank">=
(HTM) ttps://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) ource in GopherSpace:<br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle" targe=
(???) =3D"_blank">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) uture additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library=
(???) to auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render =
(???) TML or create a PNG file on the fly.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"=
(???) 888888"><br>
(???) - <br>
(???) ent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</font>=
(???) /span><br>_______________________________________________<br>
(???) opher-Project mailing list<br>
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(???) oject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li=
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(???) On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???)
(???) > GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro web
(???) > framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. It is
(???) > intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.
(???) >
(???) > You can view it live here:
(???) > http://gopher.veroneau.net/
(???) > ..
(???) ice proxy; seems to work well enough on the sites I tried. Some of my
(SND) earch things didn't work but I think it's on my end; some of them were
(???) ritten to work with lynx browser only which seems to process things
(DOC) ifferently than mozilla, etc.
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(???) opherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro web framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. It is intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.
(???) ou can view it live here:
(HTM) ttp://gopher.veroneau.net/
(???) ource code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:
(HTM) ttps://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle
(???) ource in GopherSpace:
(GIF) opher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle
(???) uture additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library to auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render HTML or create a PNG file on the fly.
(???) -
(???) ent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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(???) opherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro web framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. It is intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ou can view it live here:<br>
(???) a href="http://gopher.veroneau.net">http://gopher.veroneau.net</a>/<br>
(???) br>
(???) ource code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:<br>
(???) a href="https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle">https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) ource in GopherSpace:<br>
(GIF) opher://<a href="http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) uture additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library to auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render HTML or create a PNG file on the fly.<br>
(???) - <br>
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(???) ello,
(???) I'm just playing around with Gopher HTML pages... and yes I know lots of you are going to claim some degree of outrage, I also prefer plain text on gopher too, but wanted to play with HTML a bit on it. Anyways...
(???) I noticed that OverBiteFF can load images just fine from an HTML document over the gopher protocol. However I also noticed that you must use "absolute URLs" for it to work, at least in OverbiteFF. Now my question here is, I also attempted to load a JavaScript file over the gopher protocol in a proper script tag. However, overbiteFF just hangs as it's tries to load the resource. I assume that this is a weird Firefox quirk, but I'd like to know if anybody found a work around for loading JavaScript over gopher?
(???) If anybody's curious what I'm up to. I am just a tad curious if gopher could be used to host a fully functional HTML site, with modern CSS and JavaScript. Another bottleneck would be form submission, but I have a secret weapon for that. I think it would be *kewl* if we could create a working Gopher-HTTP proxy, basically the other way around to a common HTTP-Gopher proxy. So basically displaying full fledged HTTP pages in GopherSpace.
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(???) I'm just playing around with Gopher HTML pages... and yes I know lots of you are going to claim some degree of outrage, I also prefer plain text on gopher too, but wanted to play with HTML a bit on it. Anyways...<br>
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(???) I noticed that OverBiteFF can load images just fine from an HTML document over the gopher protocol. However I also noticed that you must use "absolute URLs" for it to work, at least in OverbiteFF. Now my question here is, I also attempted to load a JavaScript file over the gopher protocol in a proper script tag. However, overbiteFF just hangs as it's tries to load the resource. I assume that this is a weird Firefox quirk, but I'd like to know if anybody found a work around for loading JavaScript over gopher?<br>
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(???) If anybody's curious what I'm up to. I am just a tad curious if gopher could be used to host a fully functional HTML site, with modern CSS and JavaScript. Another bottleneck would be form submission, but I have a secret weapon for that. I think it would be *kewl* if we could create a working Gopher-HTTP proxy, basically the other way around to a common HTTP-Gopher proxy. So basically displaying full fledged HTTP pages in GopherSpace.<br>
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(???) I also noticed that you must use "absolute URLs" for it to work, at least
(???) in OverbiteFF. Now my question here is, I also attempted to load a
(???) JavaScript file over the gopher protocol in a proper script tag. However,
(???) overbiteFF just hangs as it's tries to load the resource. I assume that
(???) this is a weird Firefox quirk, but I'd like to know if anybody found a work
(???) around for loading JavaScript over gopher?
(???) lthough I politely question the utility of the endeavour, it *should* work.
(IMG) f you have a test selector, I can examine it. I don't consider this a
(???) rushing lack of functionality, but I agree it should work regardless.
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(???) mm, I read daily Dilbert at gopher://gopher.viste.fr/ how does the Dilbert reader compare on shortcircuit.net.au?
(???) n April 14, 2015 2:28:07 AM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) my own :) gopher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) I read Daily Dilbert and XKCD daily this way :)
(???)
(???) cheers
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(???) On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Christian Kellermann
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(???) > Hi!
(???) >
(???) > Which gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less
(???) > obnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?
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(???) > Looking forward to your answers,
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(???) html><head></head><body>Hmm, I read daily Dilbert at gopher://<a href="http://gopher.viste.fr">gopher.viste.fr</a>/ how does the Dilbert reader compare on <a href="http://shortcircuit.net.au">shortcircuit.net.au</a>?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 14, 2015 2:28:07 AM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div dir="ltr">my own :) gopher://<a href="http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au">daisy.shortcircuit.net.au</a><div>I read Daily Dilbert and XKCD daily this way :)</div><div><br /></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" /><div><div class="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br /><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new', monospace">E:Â <a href="mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:Â </span><a href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br /></div></div></div
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(???) br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Christian Kellermann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ckeen@pestilenz.org" target="_blank">ckeen@pestilenz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi!<br />
(???) br />
(???) hich gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less<br />
(???) bnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?<br />
(???) br />
(???) ooking forward to your answers,<br />
(???) br />
(???) hristian<br />
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(???) ames,
(???) Just tried to access your proxy at daisy.shortcircuit.net.au and it doesn't appear to be running. I got a "Application Not Responding" message. Feel free to use mine, if you'd like. It's lean and pretty easy to deploy as a WSGI app.
(???) n April 17, 2015 3:10:43 AM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) Nice work Kevin :)
(???)
(???) I should get mine up to scratch :)
(???)
(???) cheers
(???) James
(???)
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(???)
(???) On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) wrote:
(???)
(???) > GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro
(???) web
(???) > framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy.
(???) It is
(???) > intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.
(???) >
(???) > You can view it live here:
(???) > http://gopher.veroneau.net/
(???) >
(???) > Source code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:
(???) > https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle
(???) >
(???) > Source in GopherSpace:
(???) > gopher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle
(???) >
(???) > Future additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library to
(???) auto
(???) > highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render HTML
(???) or
(???) > create a PNG file on the fly.
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(???) html><head></head><body>James,<br>
(???) br>
(???) Just tried to access your proxy at <a href="http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au">daisy.shortcircuit.net.au</a> and it doesn't appear to be running. I got a "Application Not Responding" message. Feel free to use mine, if you'd like. It's lean and pretty easy to deploy as a WSGI app.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 17, 2015 3:10:43 AM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div dir="ltr">Nice work Kevin :)<div><br /></div><div>I should get mine up to scratch :)</div><div><br /></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" /><div><div class="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br /><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new', monospace">E:Â <a href="mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:Â </span><a href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br /></div></div></div>
(???) br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veroneau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target="_blank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro web framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. It is intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.<br />
(???) br />
(???) ou can view it live here:<br />
(???) a href="http://gopher.veroneau.net" target="_blank">http://gopher.veroneau.net</a>/<br />
(???) br />
(???) ource code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:<br />
(???) a href="https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle</a><br />
(???) br />
(???) ource in GopherSpace:<br />
(GIF) opher://<a href="http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle" target="_blank">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle</a><br />
(???) br />
(???) uture additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library to auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render HTML or create a PNG file on the fly.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br />
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(IMG) might just do that until I rewrite mine :)
(TN3) hanks!
(???) ould you accept a PR to have your app Dockerized?
(???) heers
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(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) James,
(???)
(???) Just tried to access your proxy at daisy.shortcircuit.net.au and it
(???) doesn't appear to be running. I got a "Application Not Responding" message.
(???) Feel free to use mine, if you'd like. It's lean and pretty easy to deploy
(???) as a WSGI app.
(???)
(???)
(???) On April 17, 2015 3:10:43 AM MDT, James Mills <
(???) prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > Nice work Kevin :)
(???) >
(???) > I should get mine up to scratch :)
(???) >
(???) > cheers
(???) > James
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > James Mills / prologic
(???) >
(???) > E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) > W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) >
(???) > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) > wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro web
(???) >> framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. It is
(???) >> intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.
(???) >>
(???) >> You can view it live here:
(???) >> http://gopher.veroneau.net/
(???) >>
(???) >> Source code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:
(???) >> https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle
(???) >>
(???) >> Source in GopherSpace:
(???) >> gopher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle
(???) >>
(???) >> Future additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library to
(???) >> auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render HTML
(???) >> or create a PNG file on the fly.
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">I might just do that until I rewrite mine :)<div><br></div=
(???) <div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Would you accept a PR to have your a=
(PNG) p Dockerized?</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><=
(DOC) iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signat=
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(???) br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier =
(???) ew', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au=
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(???) tp://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new&#=
(ERR) 9;,monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic=
(???) shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex"><div>James,<br>
(???) br>
(???) Just tried to access your proxy at <a href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.n=
(???) t.au" target=3D"_blank">daisy.shortcircuit.net.au</a> and it doesn't a=
(PNG) pear to be running. I got a "Application Not Responding" messag=
(???) . Feel free to use mine, if you'd like. It's lean and pretty eas=
(???) to deploy as a WSGI app.<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
(???) _quote">On April 17, 2015 3:10:43 AM MDT, James Mills <<a href=3D"mailt=
(???) :prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net=
(???) au</a>> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt=
(???) 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Nice work Kevin :)<div><br></div><div>I should get mine up=
(???) to scratch :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><=
(DOC) iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><span style=3D"border=
(???) collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D=
(???) arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"aria=
(???) , sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=
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(???) 136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircui=
(???) .net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13=
(PNG) x;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><b=
(???) ></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex">GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro=
(???) web framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. =
(???) It is intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ou can view it live here:<br>
(???) a href=3D"http://gopher.veroneau.net" target=3D"_blank">http://gopher.vero=
(???) eau.net</a>/<br>
(???) br>
(???) ource code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:<br>
(???) a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle" target=3D"_blank">=
(HTM) ttps://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) ource in GopherSpace:<br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle" targe=
(???) =3D"_blank">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) uture additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library=
(???) to auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render =
(???) TML or create a PNG file on the fly.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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(???) hy don't you find out? :)
(GIF) opher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/1/comics/dilbert
(???) )
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) Hmm, I read daily Dilbert at gopher://gopher.viste.fr/ how does the
(???) Dilbert reader compare on shortcircuit.net.au?
(???)
(???)
(???) On April 14, 2015 2:28:07 AM MDT, James Mills <
(???) prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > my own :) gopher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) > I read Daily Dilbert and XKCD daily this way :)
(???) >
(???) > cheers
(???) > James
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > James Mills / prologic
(???) >
(???) > E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) > W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) >
(???) > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Christian Kellermann <
(???) > ckeen@pestilenz.org> wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> Hi!
(???) >>
(???) >> Which gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less
(???) >> obnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?
(???) >>
(???) >> Looking forward to your answers,
(???) >>
(???) >> Christian
(???) >>
(???) >> --
(???) >> May you be peaceful, may you live in safety, may you be free from
(???) >> suffering, and may you live with ease.
(???) >>
(???) >>
(???) >> _______________________________________________
(???) >> Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) >> Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Why don't you find out? :)<div><br></div><div>gopher:/=
(???) <a href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/1/comics/dilbert">daisy.shortc=
rcuit.net.au/1/comics/dilbert</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>:)</div><di=
(???) ><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
(???) "><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"bor=
(DOC) er-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=
(???) 3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"a=
(???) ial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=
(???) C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,=
(TXT) ,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><di=
(???) ><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,=
(DIR) 36,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcir=
(???) uit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size=
(???) 13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a=
(???) <br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex"><div>Hmm, I read daily Dilbert at gopher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.=
(???) iste.fr" target=3D"_blank">gopher.viste.fr</a>/ how does the Dilbert read=
(???) r compare on <a href=3D"http://shortcircuit.net.au" target=3D"_blank">shor=
(???) circuit.net.au</a>?<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
(???) ">On April 14, 2015 2:28:07 AM MDT, James Mills <<a href=3D"mailto:prol=
(???) gic@shortcircuit.net.au" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a=
(???) > wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
(???) 8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
(???) div dir=3D"ltr">my own :) gopher://<a href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.ne=
(???) .au" target=3D"_blank">daisy.shortcircuit.net.au</a><div>I read Daily Dilb=
(???) rt and XKCD daily this way :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Ja=
(???) es</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><span=
(???) style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><=
(???) r><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><f=
(???) nt face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', =
(???) onospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D=
(???) color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></fo=
(???) t></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;c=
(???) lor:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prol=
(???) gic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monosp=
(???) ce;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcirc=
(???) it.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Christian K=
(???) llermann <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ckeen@pestilenz.org" targ=
(???) t=3D"_blank">ckeen@pestilenz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
(SND) =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
(DOC) ing-left:1ex">Hi!<br>
(???) br>
(???) hich gopher sites do you like best? Do you use gopher as a less<br>
(???) bnoxious interface to pages that are unbearable to view via html?<br>
(???) br>
(???) ooking forward to your answers,<br>
(???) br>
(???) hristian<br>
(???) span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
(???) -<br>
(???) ay you be peaceful, may you live in safety, may you be free from<br>
(SND) uffering, and may you live with ease.<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
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(???) p style=3D"margin-top:2.5em;margin-bottom:1em;border-bottom:1px solid #000=
(???) ></p><pre><hr><br>Gopher-Project mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-=
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(???) nially got your gopherbottle up and running on my GOphrespace
(???) fter some fuffing around:
(HTM) ttp://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/
(???) ut it responds with blank content atm :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:56 AM, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au>
(???) rote:
(???) I might just do that until I rewrite mine :)
(???)
(???) Thanks!
(???)
(???) Would you accept a PR to have your app Dockerized?
(???)
(???) cheers
(???) James
(???)
(???)
(???) James Mills / prologic
(???)
(???) E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???)
(???) On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) wrote:
(???)
(???) > James,
(???) >
(???) > Just tried to access your proxy at daisy.shortcircuit.net.au and it
(???) > doesn't appear to be running. I got a "Application Not Responding" message.
(???) > Feel free to use mine, if you'd like. It's lean and pretty easy to deploy
(???) > as a WSGI app.
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > On April 17, 2015 3:10:43 AM MDT, James Mills <
(???) > prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) >>
(???) >> Nice work Kevin :)
(???) >>
(???) >> I should get mine up to scratch :)
(???) >>
(???) >> cheers
(???) >> James
(???) >>
(???) >>
(???) >> James Mills / prologic
(???) >>
(???) >> E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) >> W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) >>
(???) >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) >> wrote:
(???) >>
(???) >>> GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro
(???) >>> web framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. It
(???) >>> is intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> You can view it live here:
(???) >>> http://gopher.veroneau.net/
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Source code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:
(???) >>> https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Source in GopherSpace:
(???) >>> gopher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Future additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library to
(???) >>> auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render HTML
(???) >>> or create a PNG file on the fly.
(???) >>> --
(???) >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
(???) >>> _______________________________________________
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(???) >>> Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) >>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???) >>>
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Fnially got your gopherbottle up and running on my GOphres=
(PNG) ace<div>after some fuffing around:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"htt=
(PNG) ://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/">http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/</a><br></=
(DOC) iv><div><br></div><div>But it responds with blank content atm :)</div><div=
(???) <br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
(???) ><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"bord=
(???) r-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=
(???) 3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"a=
(???) ial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=
(???) C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,=
(TXT) ,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><di=
(???) ><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,=
(DIR) 36,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcir=
(???) uit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size=
(???) 13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a=
(???) <br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:56 AM, James Mills=
(???) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" targ=
(???) t=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockq=
(???) ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
(SND) olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I might just do that until I rewri=
(???) e mine :)<div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Would you ac=
(???) ept a PR to have your app Dockerized?</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div=
(???) <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div>James</div></font></sp=
(???) n></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span class=3D""><br clear=3D"all"><div=
(???) <div><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-s=
ze:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font=
(???) <br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier=
(???) new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.a=
(???) " style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net=
(???) au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',=
(???) onospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"=
(HTM) ttp://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new&=
(???) 39;,monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologi=
(???) .shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 18=
(???) 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Veroneau <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:k=
(???) vin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_blank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrot=
(???) :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
(???) ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>James,<br>
(???) br>
(???) Just tried to access your proxy at <a href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.n=
(???) t.au" target=3D"_blank">daisy.shortcircuit.net.au</a> and it doesn't a=
(PNG) pear to be running. I got a "Application Not Responding" messag=
(???) . Feel free to use mine, if you'd like. It's lean and pretty eas=
(???) to deploy as a WSGI app.<div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On A=
(PNG) ril 17, 2015 3:10:43 AM MDT, James Mills <<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@sh=
(???) rtcircuit.net.au" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a>> w=
(???) ote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;bo=
(???) der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Nice work Kevin :)<div><br></div><div>I should get mine up=
(???) to scratch :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><=
(DOC) iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><span style=3D"border=
(???) collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D=
(???) arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"aria=
(???) , sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=
(???) A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,2=
(TXT) 4)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><=
(SND) pan style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136=
(???) 136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircui=
(???) .net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13=
(PNG) x;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><b=
(???) ></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex">GopherBottle is an HTTP interface to Gopher made in the Bottle micro=
(???) web framework. This results in a super slim, and fast HTTP-Gopher proxy. =
(???) It is intended to use as a proxy for your local gopher server.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ou can view it live here:<br>
(???) a href=3D"http://gopher.veroneau.net" target=3D"_blank">http://gopher.vero=
(???) eau.net</a>/<br>
(???) br>
(???) ource code is both in GopherSpace and on my BitBucket page here:<br>
(???) a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle" target=3D"_blank">=
(HTM) ttps://bitbucket.org/kveroneau/gopherbottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) ource in GopherSpace:<br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle" targe=
(???) =3D"_blank">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/GopherBottle</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) uture additions will include the usage of the "Pygments" library=
(???) to auto highlight source code of known files. Pygments can either render =
(???) TML or create a PNG file on the fly.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
(???) - <br>
(???) ent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</font>=
(???) /span><br>_______________________________________________<br>
(???) opher-Project mailing list<br>
(???) a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org" target=3D"_blank"=
(???) Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-p=
(???) oject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li=
(SND) tinfo/gopher-project</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div>
(???) p style=3D"margin-top:2.5em;margin-bottom:1em;border-bottom:1px solid #000=
(???) ></p><pre><hr><br>Gopher-Project mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-=
(???) roject@lists.alioth.debian.org" target=3D"_blank">Gopher-Project@lists.ali=
(???) th.debian.org</a><br><a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mai=
(???) man/listinfo/gopher-project" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.=
(???) rg/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project</a></pre></blockquote></div><br=
(???)
(???) - <br>
(???) ent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</div><=
(???) div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
(???) opher-Project mailing list<br>
(???) a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org" target=3D"_blank"=
(???) Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-p=
(???) oject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li=
(SND) tinfo/gopher-project</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
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(???) ello fellow Gopherites!
(???) I noticed something in the Gopher community on the types of Gopher servers available. They are all basically the same, nothing separates them apart from what language it's made in and how gopher menus are generated. They are feed files directly from a file system.
(???) I recently decided that if I were going to make a server, it wouldn't be just a server, but a full application framework. Welcome to my newest project: Gopher Application Framework!
(???) It is still a work in progress, missing many useful features. But I am planning on growing this into something nothing less than amazing. It will be heavily inspired by the Bottle micro framework, as you will see by the example application I have. It will support dynamic templating to make server-side templates of any text-based file a piece of cake. Unlike all other Gopher servers, this one doesn't fork external processes. Much like modern web frameworks, the application is always in memory. Don't worry about the memory footprint though, as it is inspired by the smallest web framework, it will only use a couple MB of ram.
(???) This project is still a huge work in progress, with a built-in HTTP server coming soon and many more amazing features. This isn't just your every day run of the mill gopher server.
(GIF) opher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf
(???) The API is subject to change too, this is just an early preview version to let the community see what I'm up to.
(???) njoy!
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(???) ello fellow Gopherites!<br>
(???) br>
(???) I noticed something in the Gopher community on the types of Gopher servers available. They are all basically the same, nothing separates them apart from what language it's made in and how gopher menus are generated. They are feed files directly from a file system.<br>
(???) br>
(???) I recently decided that if I were going to make a server, it wouldn't be just a server, but a full application framework. Welcome to my newest project: Gopher Application Framework!<br>
(???) br>
(???) It is still a work in progress, missing many useful features. But I am planning on growing this into something nothing less than amazing. It will be heavily inspired by the Bottle micro framework, as you will see by the example application I have. It will support dynamic templating to make server-side templates of any text-based file a piece of cake. Unlike all other Gopher servers, this one doesn't fork external processes. Much like modern web frameworks, the application is always in memory. Don't worry about the memory footprint though, as it is inspired by the smallest web framework, it will only use a couple MB of ram.<br>
(???) br>
(???) This project is still a huge work in progress, with a built-in HTTP server coming soon and many more amazing features. This isn't just your every day run of the mill gopher server.<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<a href="http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) The API is subject to change too, this is just an early preview version to let the community see what I'm up to.<br>
(???) br>
(???) njoy!<br>
(???) - <br>
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(???) evin,
(???) ou and I should come up with a sort-of a Gopher Application Spec
(???) hat other Gopher(d) can implement. My own Gopher(d) cgod isn't
(???) our ordinary run-of-the-mill Gopher server either in the sense that
t's fully pluggable, supports dynamic resources, sessions and is built for
(PNG) erformance and scalability.
(IMG) mplementing a proper to goodness application layer however
(???) ould be really cool and even cooler if we both came up with
(???) spec where we can write applications that work on many
(???) opher(d) that implement it :)
(TN3) hink WSGI for Gopher :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) Hello fellow Gopherites!
(???)
(???) I noticed something in the Gopher community on the types of Gopher servers
(???) available. They are all basically the same, nothing separates them apart
(???) from what language it's made in and how gopher menus are generated. They
(???) are feed files directly from a file system.
(???)
(???) I recently decided that if I were going to make a server, it wouldn't be
(???) just a server, but a full application framework. Welcome to my newest
(???) project: Gopher Application Framework!
(???)
(???) It is still a work in progress, missing many useful features. But I am
(???) planning on growing this into something nothing less than amazing. It will
(???) be heavily inspired by the Bottle micro framework, as you will see by the
(???) example application I have. It will support dynamic templating to make
(???) server-side templates of any text-based file a piece of cake. Unlike all
(???) other Gopher servers, this one doesn't fork external processes. Much like
(???) modern web frameworks, the application is always in memory. Don't worry
(???) about the memory footprint though, as it is inspired by the smallest web
(???) framework, it will only use a couple MB of ram.
(???)
(???) This project is still a huge work in progress, with a built-in HTTP server
(???) coming soon and many more amazing features. This isn't just your every day
(???) run of the mill gopher server.
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf
(???)
(???) The API is subject to change too, this is just an early preview version to
(???) let the community see what I'm up to.
(???)
(???) Enjoy!
(???) --
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Kevin,<div><br></div><div>You and I should come up with a =
(SND) ort-of a Gopher Application Spec</div><div>that other Gopher(d) can implem=
(???) nt. My own Gopher(d) cgod isn't</div><div>your ordinary run-of-the-mil=
(???) Gopher server either in the sense that</div><div>it's fully pluggable=
(???) supports dynamic resources, sessions and is built for</div><div>performan=
(???) e and scalability.</div><div><br></div><div>Implementing a proper to goodn=
(???) ss application layer however</div><div>would be really cool and even coole=
(???) if we both came up with</div><div>a spec where we can write applications =
(???) hat work on many</div><div>Gopher(d) that implement it :)</div><div><br></=
(DOC) iv><div>Think WSGI for Gopher :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div=
(???) James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div cl=
(???) ss=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(1=
(ERR) 6,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mill=
(SND) / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font fa=
(???) e=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@=
(SND) hortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologi=
(???) @shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'=
(???) courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0=
(???) /span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family=
(???) 'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=
(???) 3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex">Hello fellow Gopherites!<br>
(???) br>
(???) I noticed something in the Gopher community on the types of Gopher server=
(SND) available. They are all basically the same, nothing separates them apart=
(???) from what language it's made in and how gopher menus are generated. T=
(HTM) ey are feed files directly from a file system.<br>
(???) br>
(???) I recently decided that if I were going to make a server, it wouldn't=
(???) be just a server, but a full application framework. Welcome to my newest =
(PNG) roject: Gopher Application Framework!<br>
(???) br>
(???) It is still a work in progress, missing many useful features. But I am p=
(???) anning on growing this into something nothing less than amazing. It will =
(???) e heavily inspired by the Bottle micro framework, as you will see by the e=
(???) ample application I have. It will support dynamic templating to make serv=
(???) r-side templates of any text-based file a piece of cake. Unlike all other=
(???) Gopher servers, this one doesn't fork external processes. Much like m=
(???) dern web frameworks, the application is always in memory. Don't worry=
(???) about the memory footprint though, as it is inspired by the smallest web f=
(???) amework, it will only use a couple MB of ram.<br>
(???) br>
(???) This project is still a huge work in progress, with a built-in HTTP serve=
(???) coming soon and many more amazing features. This isn't just your eve=
(???) y day run of the mill gopher server.<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf" target=3D"_bla=
(???) k">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) The API is subject to change too, this is just an early preview version t=
(???) let the community see what I'm up to.<br>
(???) br>
(???) njoy!<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
(???) - <br>
(???) ent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</font>=
(???) /span><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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(???) oject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li=
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(???) ames,
(???) Gopher Application Framework is only a subset of what will come. I have thought of a WSGI for Gopher, but don't know how well it would work in practice. Gopher servers are created in many different languages, so interfacing a gopher server with a separate external framework would add much overhead to the server and any gopher applications it may be hosting.
(???) My next gopher project, an extension to Gopher Application Framework is something I am going to call a Gopher Application Server. The Application Server will be completely independent of the Framework. Basically, this here framework will be used to extend the Application Server, but isn't required. The Application Server, once done will be a rather powerful document publishing platform with very rich built-in indexing and searching of all the documents it contains. The Application Framework could then be leveraged to add features like contact forms, request forms, and other "stateful" tools onto the Application Server.
(???) Furthermore, the Gopher Application Server will have a rich HTML document management interface to easily add and edit documents and files. The HTML interface will also make it easy to install Gopher Application Framework apps. The HTML interface will through the Gopher protocol, but will require an HTML5 capable browser. But document viewing will work on any gopher client, big or small. Think of it like Gopher meets HTML5. I've already been playing with the technology I'll be using, and it works perfectly in OverbiteFF(the official one). So all you die hard gopherites out there don't have to worry, all published documents will work 100% on all available Gopher clients. :)
(???) nyways, that's my long term plan for this.
(???) n April 21, 2015 10:37:10 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) Kevin,
(???)
(???) You and I should come up with a sort-of a Gopher Application Spec
(???) that other Gopher(d) can implement. My own Gopher(d) cgod isn't
(???) your ordinary run-of-the-mill Gopher server either in the sense that
(???) it's fully pluggable, supports dynamic resources, sessions and is built
(???) for
(???) performance and scalability.
(???)
(???) Implementing a proper to goodness application layer however
(???) would be really cool and even cooler if we both came up with
(???) a spec where we can write applications that work on many
(???) Gopher(d) that implement it :)
(???)
(???) Think WSGI for Gopher :)
(???)
(???) cheers
(???) James
(???)
(???)
(???) James Mills / prologic
(???)
(???) E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???)
(???) On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) wrote:
(???)
(???) > Hello fellow Gopherites!
(???) >
(???) > I noticed something in the Gopher community on the types of Gopher
(???) servers
(???) > available. They are all basically the same, nothing separates them
(???) apart
(???) > from what language it's made in and how gopher menus are generated.
(???) They
(???) > are feed files directly from a file system.
(???) >
(???) > I recently decided that if I were going to make a server, it wouldn't
(???) be
(???) > just a server, but a full application framework. Welcome to my newest
(???) > project: Gopher Application Framework!
(???) >
(???) > It is still a work in progress, missing many useful features. But I
(???) am
(???) > planning on growing this into something nothing less than amazing. It
(???) will
(???) > be heavily inspired by the Bottle micro framework, as you will see by
(???) the
(???) > example application I have. It will support dynamic templating to
(???) make
(???) > server-side templates of any text-based file a piece of cake. Unlike
(???) all
(???) > other Gopher servers, this one doesn't fork external processes. Much
(???) like
(???) > modern web frameworks, the application is always in memory. Don't
(???) worry
(???) > about the memory footprint though, as it is inspired by the smallest
(???) web
(???) > framework, it will only use a couple MB of ram.
(???) >
(???) > This project is still a huge work in progress, with a built-in HTTP
(???) server
(???) > coming soon and many more amazing features. This isn't just your
(???) every day
(???) > run of the mill gopher server.
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf
(???) >
(???) > The API is subject to change too, this is just an early preview
(???) version to
(???) > let the community see what I'm up to.
(???) >
(???) > Enjoy!
(???) > --
(???) > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) >
(???) http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???) >
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(???) html><head></head><body>James,<br>
(???) br>
(???) Gopher Application Framework is only a subset of what will come. I have thought of a WSGI for Gopher, but don't know how well it would work in practice. Gopher servers are created in many different languages, so interfacing a gopher server with a separate external framework would add much overhead to the server and any gopher applications it may be hosting.<br>
(???) br>
(???) My next gopher project, an extension to Gopher Application Framework is something I am going to call a Gopher Application Server. The Application Server will be completely independent of the Framework. Basically, this here framework will be used to extend the Application Server, but isn't required. The Application Server, once done will be a rather powerful document publishing platform with very rich built-in indexing and searching of all the documents it contains. The Application Framework could then be leveraged to add features like contact forms, request forms, and other "stateful" tools onto the Application Server.<br>
(???) br>
(???) Furthermore, the Gopher Application Server will have a rich HTML document management interface to easily add and edit documents and files. The HTML interface will also make it easy to install Gopher Application Framework apps. The HTML interface will through the Gopher protocol, but will require an HTML5 capable browser. But document viewing will work on any gopher client, big or small. Think of it like Gopher meets HTML5. I've already been playing with the technology I'll be using, and it works perfectly in OverbiteFF(the official one). So all you die hard gopherites out there don't have to worry, all published documents will work 100% on all available Gopher clients. :)<br>
(???) br>
(???) nyways, that's my long term plan for this.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 21, 2015 10:37:10 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div dir="ltr">Kevin,<div><br /></div><div>You and I should come up with a sort-of a Gopher Application Spec</div><div>that other Gopher(d) can implement. My own Gopher(d) cgod isn't</div><div>your ordinary run-of-the-mill Gopher server either in the sense that</div><div>it's fully pluggable, supports dynamic resources, sessions and is built for</div><div>performance and scalability.</div><div><br /></div><div>Implementing a proper to goodness application layer however</div><div>would be really cool and even cooler if we both came up with</div><div>a spec where we can write applications that work on many</div><div>Gopher(d) that implement it :)</div><div><br /></div><div>Think WSGI for Gopher :)</div><div><br /></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" /><div><div class="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</f
(???) ont><br
(???) ><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new', monospace">E:Â <a href="mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:Â </span><a href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br /></div></div></div>
(???) br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kevin Veroneau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target="_blank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello fellow Gopherites!<br />
(???) br />
(???) I noticed something in the Gopher community on the types of Gopher servers available. They are all basically the same, nothing separates them apart from what language it's made in and how gopher menus are generated. They are feed files directly from a file system.<br />
(???) br />
(???) I recently decided that if I were going to make a server, it wouldn't be just a server, but a full application framework. Welcome to my newest project: Gopher Application Framework!<br />
(???) br />
(???) It is still a work in progress, missing many useful features. But I am planning on growing this into something nothing less than amazing. It will be heavily inspired by the Bottle micro framework, as you will see by the example application I have. It will support dynamic templating to make server-side templates of any text-based file a piece of cake. Unlike all other Gopher servers, this one doesn't fork external processes. Much like modern web frameworks, the application is always in memory. Don't worry about the memory footprint though, as it is inspired by the smallest web framework, it will only use a couple MB of ram.<br />
(???) br />
(???) This project is still a huge work in progress, with a built-in HTTP server coming soon and many more amazing features. This isn't just your every day run of the mill gopher server.<br />
(???) br />
(GIF) opher://<a href="http://gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf" target="_blank">gopher.veroneau.net/1library/gaf</a><br />
(???) br />
(???) The API is subject to change too, this is just an early preview version to let the community see what I'm up to.<br />
(???) br />
(???) njoy!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br />
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(???) rom gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Thu Apr 23 00:18:54 2015
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(???) ello everyone,
(???) I'm curious to know how many widely used Gopher clients properly support Gopher+ and what's the communities general view about supporting it.
(???) I personally haven't used any Gopher+ features, and my current GopherSpace doesn't use it either. How many of your gopherspaces have Gopher+ support?
(???) I'm also a tad curious on working with "gophers://", Gopher over TLS. it'd be easy to enable on a gopher server, but no clients currently support it.
(???) On that note about Gopher clients, I did mention awhile back that I was planning on developing a more modern stand alone gopher client for PCs. So if I made a new client, I'd add Gopher over TLS support for kicks, and depending on overall support, maybe Gopher+ support. OverbiteFF doesn't do Gopher+ it seems(from reading it's source) and neither does the android client...
(???) One last question... what is your Gopher client of choice, and why?
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(???) ello everyone,<br>
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(???) I'm curious to know how many widely used Gopher clients properly support Gopher+ and what's the communities general view about supporting it.<br>
(???) br>
(???) I personally haven't used any Gopher+ features, and my current GopherSpace doesn't use it either. How many of your gopherspaces have Gopher+ support?<br>
(???) br>
(???) I'm also a tad curious on working with "gophers://", Gopher over TLS. it'd be easy to enable on a gopher server, but no clients currently support it.<br>
(???) br>
(???) On that note about Gopher clients, I did mention awhile back that I was planning on developing a more modern stand alone gopher client for PCs. So if I made a new client, I'd add Gopher over TLS support for kicks, and depending on overall support, maybe Gopher+ support. OverbiteFF doesn't do Gopher+ it seems(from reading it's source) and neither does the android client...<br>
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(???) One last question... what is your Gopher client of choice, and why?<br>
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(???) verbiteFF and Overbite Android do not support Gopher+ and are not likely to;
(???) he work required would probably substantially outweigh the benefit.
(IMG) 'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want it to be
(???) andatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly with
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(???) god doesn't implement Gopher+
(???) I don't think Gophernisus does either)
(???) y views on Gopher+ are a bit hazy.
(IMG) think it need (if we want to improve the protocol) rethinking...
(GIF) ophers:// could be very interesting.
(???) owever existing clients would not be able to use this.
(???) o this would require completely new clients.
(???) Gopherspaces could support both gopher:// and gophers:// I suppose for
(???) ackwards compatbility with older clients)
(???) y Gopher client(s) of choice are basically
(???) url and Overbite. I was using elinks for a bit
(???) ut have found it's implementation to by buggy
(???) t best.
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) Hello everyone,
(???)
(???) I'm curious to know how many widely used Gopher clients properly support
(???) Gopher+ and what's the communities general view about supporting it.
(???)
(???) I personally haven't used any Gopher+ features, and my current GopherSpace
(???) doesn't use it either. How many of your gopherspaces have Gopher+ support?
(???)
(???) I'm also a tad curious on working with "gophers://", Gopher over TLS. it'd
(???) be easy to enable on a gopher server, but no clients currently support it.
(???)
(???) On that note about Gopher clients, I did mention awhile back that I was
(???) planning on developing a more modern stand alone gopher client for PCs. So
(???) if I made a new client, I'd add Gopher over TLS support for kicks, and
(???) depending on overall support, maybe Gopher+ support. OverbiteFF doesn't do
(???) Gopher+ it seems(from reading it's source) and neither does the android
(???) client...
(???)
(???) One last question... what is your Gopher client of choice, and why?
(???)
(???) Kevin.
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">cgod doesn't implement Gopher+<div>(I don't think =
(???) ophernisus does either)</div><div><br></div><div>My views on Gopher+ are a=
(???) bit hazy.</div><div>I think it need (if we want to improve the protocol) r=
(???) thinking...</div><div><br></div><div>gophers:// could be very interesting.=
(???) /div><div>However existing clients would not be able to use this.</div><di=
(???) >So this would require completely new clients.</div><div>(Gopherspaces cou=
(???) d support both gopher:// and gophers:// I suppose for backwards compatbili=
(???) y with older clients)</div><div><br></div><div>My Gopher client(s) of choi=
(???) e are basically</div><div>curl and Overbite. I was using elinks for a bit<=
(???) div><div>but have found it's implementation to by buggy</div><div>at b=
(???) st.</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=
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(???) style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">=
(???) br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><=
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(???) monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=
(???) 3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a><=
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(???) ;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://p=
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rcuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex">Hello everyone,<br>
(???) br>
(???) I'm curious to know how many widely used Gopher clients properly supp=
(???) rt Gopher+ and what's the communities general view about supporting it=
(???) <br>
(???) br>
(???) I personally haven't used any Gopher+ features, and my current Gopher=
(???) pace doesn't use it either. How many of your gopherspaces have Gopher=
(DUP) support?<br>
(???) br>
(???) I'm also a tad curious on working with "gophers://", Gopher=
(???) over TLS. it'd be easy to enable on a gopher server, but no clients c=
(???) rrently support it.<br>
(???) br>
(???) On that note about Gopher clients, I did mention awhile back that I was p=
(???) anning on developing a more modern stand alone gopher client for PCs. So =
f I made a new client, I'd add Gopher over TLS support for kicks, and =
(DOC) epending on overall support, maybe Gopher+ support. OverbiteFF doesn'=
(???) do Gopher+ it seems(from reading it's source) and neither does the an=
(DOC) roid client...<br>
(???) br>
(???) One last question... what is your Gopher client of choice, and why?<span=
(???) class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
(???) br>
(???) evin.<br>
(???) - <br>
(???) ent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</font>=
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(???) n Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) rote:
(???) I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want it to
(???) be
(???) mandatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly with
(???) respect to certificate management.
(???)
(DUP) 1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.
(GIF) ophers:// and port 7433?
(???) It doesn't seem to be taken according to the register[1])
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) 1]:
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(???) n Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
(???) f=3D"mailto:spectre@floodgap.com" target=3D"_blank">spectre@floodgap.com</=
(???) >></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
(PNG) x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);b=
(???) rder-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":1jw" class=3D"" style=
(???) 3D"overflow:hidden">I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definite=
(???) y would not want it to be<br>
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(???) espect to certificate management.</div></blockquote></div><br>+1 on Gopher=
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(???) f course TLS would be optional. It would just add some privacy and better protect password protected sections on a gopher hole to work more securely.
(???) asswords can be entered via "query requests", but I'm sure everyone knew that.
(???) or a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along with a Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be left out.
(IMG) do like the UMN client, but I find it rather limited, and lynx works really well, but it's scrolling system is horrible on gopher menus and text... My console client will address both the limitations and provide a more user friendlier experience overall. Perhaps I'll work on my initial release this evening.
(???) n April 22, 2015 4:35:27 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) > I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want
(???) it to
(???) > be
(???) > mandatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly
(???) with
(???) > respect to certificate management.
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(???) +1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.
(???)
(???) gophers:// and port 7433?
(???) (It doesn't seem to be taken according to the register[1])
(???)
(???) cheers
(???) James
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(???) [1]:
(???) https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.txt
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(???) html><head></head><body>Of course TLS would be optional. It would just add some privacy and better protect password protected sections on a gopher hole to work more securely.<br>
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(???) asswords can be entered via "query requests", but I'm sure everyone knew that.<br>
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(???) or a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along with a Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be left out.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) do like the UMN client, but I find it rather limited, and lynx works really well, but it's scrolling system is horrible on gopher menus and text... My console client will address both the limitations and provide a more user friendlier experience overall. Perhaps I'll work on my initial release this evening.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 22, 2015 4:35:27 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spectre@floodgap.com" target="_blank">spectre@floodgap.com</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=":1jw" class="" style="overflow:hidden">I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want it to be<br />
(???) andatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly with<br />
(???) espect to certificate management.</div></blockquote></div><br />+1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /></div><div class="gmail_extra">gophers:// and port 7433?</div><div class="gmail_extra">(It doesn't seem to be taken according to the register[1])</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /></div><div class="gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class="gmail_extra">James<br /><br />[1]:Â <a href="https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.txt">https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.txt</a><br clear="all" /><div><div class="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br /><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new', monospace">E:Â <a href="mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)"
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(???) n Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) For a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along with a
(???) Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be left
(???) out.
(???)
(???) hat are you plans here?
(IMG) 'd be interested in a console client (urwid?)
(???) nd QT4 would be nice too :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
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(IMG) was thinking of urwid, but I don't feel it's the perfect match for this type of application. It would require a good amount of work to use urwid for such a simple client. I am planning on using the rather awesome and lightweight "npyscreen" library. It's seems like a match made in heaven. It supports lists(gopher menus) easily, and can easily display prompts from the user in a dialogue box. It also makes it a snap to create context menus(and popup menus in general). It even supports easy to create and manage forms(great for ASK) and for general preference screens/bookmark management. I've built a documentation viewer in it before, which had a nested menu system and was able to show text documents with ease and minimal code. Overall, I see npyscreen and gopher like a marriage made in heaven.
(HTM) ttp://npyscreen.readthedocs.org/
(???) Check out some of their examples and tell me it won't work. :) That's why I noted I could release an initial client this evening due to how easy and powerful this library is. Urwid is great, I made a few apps in it, but it used complex layouts to display the screen. This made debugging a tad difficult, as it took some time to make an app look and function perfectly. Telnet into my profile server to see that urwid app: telnet://veroneau.net:5199
(???) evin.
(???) n April 22, 2015 5:01:54 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
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(???) > For a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along
(???) with a
(???) > Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be
(???) left
(???) > out.
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(???)
(???) What are you plans here?
(???)
(???) I'd be interested in a console client (urwid?)
(???) and QT4 would be nice too :)
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(???) html><head></head><body>I was thinking of urwid, but I don't feel it's the perfect match for this type of application. It would require a good amount of work to use urwid for such a simple client. I am planning on using the rather awesome and lightweight "npyscreen" library. It's seems like a match made in heaven. It supports lists(gopher menus) easily, and can easily display prompts from the user in a dialogue box. It also makes it a snap to create context menus(and popup menus in general). It even supports easy to create and manage forms(great for ASK) and for general preference screens/bookmark management. I've built a documentation viewer in it before, which had a nested menu system and was able to show text documents with ease and minimal code. Overall, I see npyscreen and gopher like a marriage made in heaven.<br>
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(???) Check out some of their examples and tell me it won't work. :) That's why I noted I could release an initial client this evening due to how easy and powerful this library is. Urwid is great, I made a few apps in it, but it used complex layouts to display the screen. This made debugging a tad difficult, as it took some time to make an app look and function perfectly. Telnet into my profile server to see that urwid app: telnet://<a href="veroneau.net:5199">veroneau.net:5199</a><br>
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(???) evin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 22, 2015 5:01:54 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target="_blank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>For a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along with a Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be left out.<br /></div></blockquote></div><br />What are you plans here?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /></div><div class="gmail_extra">I'd be interested in a console client (urwid?)</div><div class="gmail_extra">and QT4 would be nice too :)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /></div><div class="gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class="gmail_extra">James<br /><br clear="all" /><div><div class="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br /><f
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(???) n 23.04.2015 01:18, Kevin Veroneau wrote:
(???) Hello everyone,
(???)
(???) I'm curious to know how many widely used Gopher clients properly support
(???) Gopher+ and what's the communities general view about supporting it.
(IMG) like gopher+ and would be happy to see it alive, although now it is
(???) ully supported AFAIK only in the UMN server (undeservedly discontinued)
(???) nd client (but their support is close to perfect and can be considered
(???) reference implementation).
(???) ne should notice however that gopher+ is just an extension. It has
(???) ever been and should not be obligatory, and nothing can prevent from
nventing other extensions (provided that support can be added to the
(???) lients) in a way similar to web browser extensions. Would be nice if
(GIF) opher+ could be added as a plugin (library) to the existing clients
(???) ike Lynx or Overbite.
(???)
(???) I personally haven't used any Gopher+ features, and my current
(???) GopherSpace doesn't use it either. How many of your gopherspaces have
(???) Gopher+ support?
(???)
(???) I'm also a tad curious on working with "gophers://", Gopher over TLS.
(???) it'd be easy to enable on a gopher server, but no clients currently
(???) support it.
(???)
(???) On that note about Gopher clients, I did mention awhile back that I was
(???) planning on developing a more modern stand alone gopher client for PCs.
(???) So if I made a new client, I'd add Gopher over TLS support for kicks,
(???) and depending on overall support, maybe Gopher+ support. OverbiteFF
(???) doesn't do Gopher+ it seems(from reading it's source) and neither does
(???) the android client...
(???)
(???) One last question... what is your Gopher client of choice, and why?
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(???) ne "optional" feature I am highly considering for the Qt4 version is a lazy loading "gopher TreeView" widget. So, when enabled via a button on the toolbar, a easy to navigate gopher tree(generated using Gopher menus) of the current server will spring to life. It will make navigating and finding information very quick and shows a TRUE advantage of gopher over HTTP. I personally love how gopher organizes information in an easy to parse menu/tree. The tree initially will only display gopher menu items. So to access documents, the user still needs to access the menu itself to see it's documents and information items.
(???) ther features I plan for both client is an "optional" gopher type filter. So say you do a Veronica search, you can do a client-side filter to say only show images or text items. Yet another TRUE advantage of Gopher over HTTP. Basically, the clients I do make will truly try and leverage the powerful features within the protocol itself. Of course, all these enhancement can be entirely turned off for that traditional gopher experience we all know and love.
(???) evin.
(???) n April 22, 2015 5:39:56 PM MDT, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) I was thinking of urwid, but I don't feel it's the perfect match for
(???) this type of application. It would require a good amount of work to
(???) use urwid for such a simple client. I am planning on using the rather
(???) awesome and lightweight "npyscreen" library. It's seems like a match
(???) made in heaven. It supports lists(gopher menus) easily, and can easily
(???) display prompts from the user in a dialogue box. It also makes it a
(???) snap to create context menus(and popup menus in general). It even
(???) supports easy to create and manage forms(great for ASK) and for general
(???) preference screens/bookmark management. I've built a documentation
(???) viewer in it before, which had a nested menu system and was able to
(???) show text documents with ease and minimal code. Overall, I see
(???) npyscreen and gopher like a marriage made in heaven.
(???)
(???) http://npyscreen.readthedocs.org/
(???)
(???) Check out some of their examples and tell me it won't work. :) That's
(???) why I noted I could release an initial client this evening due to how
(???) easy and powerful this library is. Urwid is great, I made a few apps
(???) in it, but it used complex layouts to display the screen. This made
(???) debugging a tad difficult, as it took some time to make an app look and
(???) function perfectly. Telnet into my profile server to see that urwid
(???) app: telnet://veroneau.net:5199
(???)
(???) Kevin.
(???)
(???) On April 22, 2015 5:01:54 PM MDT, James Mills
(???) <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) >On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) >wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> For a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along
(???) >with a
(???) >> Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will
(???) be
(???) >left
(???) >> out.
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) >What are you plans here?
(???) >
(???) >I'd be interested in a console client (urwid?)
(???) >and QT4 would be nice too :)
(???) >
(???) >cheers
(???) >James
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >James Mills / prologic
(???) >
(???) >E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) html><head></head><body>One "optional" feature I am highly considering for the Qt4 version is a lazy loading "gopher TreeView" widget. So, when enabled via a button on the toolbar, a easy to navigate gopher tree(generated using Gopher menus) of the current server will spring to life. It will make navigating and finding information very quick and shows a TRUE advantage of gopher over HTTP. I personally love how gopher organizes information in an easy to parse menu/tree. The tree initially will only display gopher menu items. So to access documents, the user still needs to access the menu itself to see it's documents and information items.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ther features I plan for both client is an "optional" gopher type filter. So say you do a Veronica search, you can do a client-side filter to say only show images or text items. Yet another TRUE advantage of Gopher over HTTP. Basically, the clients I do make will truly try and leverage the powerful features within the protocol itself. Of course, all these enhancement can be entirely turned off for that traditional gopher experience we all know and love.<br>
(???) br>
(???) evin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 22, 2015 5:39:56 PM MDT, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(IMG) was thinking of urwid, but I don't feel it's the perfect match for this type of application. It would require a good amount of work to use urwid for such a simple client. I am planning on using the rather awesome and lightweight "npyscreen" library. It's seems like a match made in heaven. It supports lists(gopher menus) easily, and can easily display prompts from the user in a dialogue box. It also makes it a snap to create context menus(and popup menus in general). It even supports easy to create and manage forms(great for ASK) and for general preference screens/bookmark management. I've built a documentation viewer in it before, which had a nested menu system and was able to show text documents with ease and minimal code. Overall, I see npyscreen and gopher like a marriage made in heaven.<br />
(???) br />
(???) a href="http://npyscreen.readthedocs.org">http://npyscreen.readthedocs.org</a>/<br />
(???) br />
(???) Check out some of their examples and tell me it won't work. :) That's why I noted I could release an initial client this evening due to how easy and powerful this library is. Urwid is great, I made a few apps in it, but it used complex layouts to display the screen. This made debugging a tad difficult, as it took some time to make an app look and function perfectly. Telnet into my profile server to see that urwid app: telnet://<a href="veroneau.net:5199">veroneau.net:5199</a><br />
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(???) evin.<br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On April 22, 2015 5:01:54 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target="_blank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>For a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along with a Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be left out.<br /></div></blockquote></div><br />What are you plans here?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /></div><div class="gmail_extra">I'd be interested in a console client (urwid?)</div><div class="gmail_extra">and QT4 would be nice too :)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /></div><div class="gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class="gmail_extra">James<br /><br clear="all" /><div><div class="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br /><f
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(???) ounds interesting I'll take a look :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) n Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) I was thinking of urwid, but I don't feel it's the perfect match for this
(???) type of application. It would require a good amount of work to use urwid
(???) for such a simple client. I am planning on using the rather awesome and
(???) lightweight "npyscreen" library. It's seems like a match made in heaven. It
(???) supports lists(gopher menus) easily, and can easily display prompts from
(???) the user in a dialogue box. It also makes it a snap to create context
(???) menus(and popup menus in general). It even supports easy to create and
(???) manage forms(great for ASK) and for general preference screens/bookmark
(???) management. I've built a documentation viewer in it before, which had a
(???) nested menu system and was able to show text documents with ease and
(???) minimal code. Overall, I see npyscreen and gopher like a marriage made in
(???) heaven.
(???)
(???) http://npyscreen.readthedocs.org/
(???)
(???) Check out some of their examples and tell me it won't work. :) That's why
(???) I noted I could release an initial client this evening due to how easy and
(???) powerful this library is. Urwid is great, I made a few apps in it, but it
(???) used complex layouts to display the screen. This made debugging a tad
(???) difficult, as it took some time to make an app look and function perfectly.
(???) Telnet into my profile server to see that urwid app: telnet://
(???) veroneau.net:5199
(???)
(???) Kevin.
(???)
(???) On April 22, 2015 5:01:54 PM MDT, James Mills <
(???) prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???)
(???) >
(???) > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) > wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> For a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along with
(???) >> a Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be
(???) >> left out.
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > What are you plans here?
(???) >
(???) > I'd be interested in a console client (urwid?)
(???) > and QT4 would be nice too :)
(???) >
(???) > cheers
(???) > James
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > James Mills / prologic
(???) >
(???) > E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) > W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Sounds interesting I'll take a look :)<div><br></div><=
(DOC) iv>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=
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(???) gb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div><=
(???) div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Veron=
(???) au <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_=
(???) lank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
(???) :1ex"><div>I was thinking of urwid, but I don't feel it's the perf=
(???) ct match for this type of application. It would require a good amount of =
(???) ork to use urwid for such a simple client. I am planning on using the rat=
(HTM) er awesome and lightweight "npyscreen" library. It's seems =
(???) ike a match made in heaven. It supports lists(gopher menus) easily, and c=
(???) n easily display prompts from the user in a dialogue box. It also makes i=
(???) a snap to create context menus(and popup menus in general). It even supp=
(???) rts easy to create and manage forms(great for ASK) and for general prefere=
(???) ce screens/bookmark management. I've built a documentation viewer in =
t before, which had a nested menu system and was able to show text documen=
(???) s with ease and minimal code. Overall, I see npyscreen and gopher like a =
(???) arriage made in heaven.<br>
(???) br>
(???) a href=3D"http://npyscreen.readthedocs.org" target=3D"_blank">http://npysc=
(???) een.readthedocs.org</a>/<br>
(???) br>
(???) Check out some of their examples and tell me it won't work. :) That&=
(???) 39;s why I noted I could release an initial client this evening due to how=
(???) easy and powerful this library is. Urwid is great, I made a few apps in i=
(???) , but it used complex layouts to display the screen. This made debugging =
(???) tad difficult, as it took some time to make an app look and function perf=
(???) ctly. Telnet into my profile server to see that urwid app: telnet://<a>ve=
(???) oneau.net:5199</a><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
(???) br>
(???) evin.<br><br></font></span><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h=
(ARC) ">On April 22, 2015 5:01:54 PM MDT, James Mills <<a href=3D"mailto:prol=
(???) gic@shortcircuit.net.au" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a=
(???) > wrote:</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
(PNG) t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
(DOC) iv><div class=3D"h5">
(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
(???) n Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
(???) f=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_blank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>&g=
(???) ;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
(???) .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>For a gopher client=
(???) I was going to make a console-based one, along with a Qt4 WebKit-based on=
(???) . Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody will be left out.<br></div></bl=
(???) ckquote></div><br>What are you plans here?</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
(???) <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I'd be interested in a console cl=
ent (urwid?)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">and QT4 would be nice too :)<=
(???) div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers=
(???) /div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">James<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><span=
(???) style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><=
(???) r><u></u>James Mills / prologic<br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></=
(???) ont><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mai=
(???) to:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_b=
(???) ank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"fon=
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(ERR) px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=
(???) 3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,=
(TXT) ,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div><=
(???) div>
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(???) kay, so like I said, here's my initial release of a Gopher client for the
(???) NIX console:
(GIF) opher://gopher.veroneau.net/0library/gopher.py
(IMG) t uses an updated version of my gopherlib.py library found here:
(GIF) opher://gopher.veroneau.net/0library/gopherlib.py
(TN3) o get it up and running, you will need to grab yourself a copy of npyscreen,
(???) ither via pip or just download it manually.
(IMG) t currently doesn't support every standard Gopher type, but all the basics
(???) re there and were tested, namely i, 0, 1, and of course 7. I will add the
(???) ther gopher types as I continue working on it. Feel free to contribute if
(???) ou wish as well.
(TN3) here is currently no address entry function, and it will bring you to floodgap
(???) y default. However, feel free to change the initial server within the code
tself. Proper address entry via a dialog box, and via the command line will
(???) e added very soon.
(???) ou can access the menu by press Ctrl-X, there you can return to the root of
(???) he current server, or exit the application itself.
(???) uture versions when other Gopher types are supported will introduce a
(PNG) references form, where you can select external applications to launch for
(SND) pecific gopher types, such as one to display images, or an external HTTP
(???) rowser for HTTP links. HTML will be supported in 2 ways, one being a
(HTM) tml2text translation, or the ability to launch an external browser with
(GIF) opher support.
(???) n Wednesday, April 22, 2015 06:03:43 PM James Mills wrote:
(???) Sounds interesting I'll take a look :)
(???)
(???) cheers
(???) James
(???)
(???)
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(???) On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) > I was thinking of urwid, but I don't feel it's the perfect match for this
(???) > type of application. It would require a good amount of work to use urwid
(???) > for such a simple client. I am planning on using the rather awesome and
(???) > lightweight "npyscreen" library. It's seems like a match made in heaven.
(???) > It supports lists(gopher menus) easily, and can easily display prompts
(???) > from the user in a dialogue box. It also makes it a snap to create
(???) > context menus(and popup menus in general). It even supports easy to
(???) > create and manage forms(great for ASK) and for general preference
(???) > screens/bookmark management. I've built a documentation viewer in it
(???) > before, which had a nested menu system and was able to show text
(???) > documents with ease and minimal code. Overall, I see npyscreen and
(???) > gopher like a marriage made in heaven.
(???) >
(???) > http://npyscreen.readthedocs.org/
(???) >
(???) > Check out some of their examples and tell me it won't work. :) That's why
(???) > I noted I could release an initial client this evening due to how easy
(???) > and powerful this library is. Urwid is great, I made a few apps in it,
(???) > but it used complex layouts to display the screen. This made debugging a
(???) > tad difficult, as it took some time to make an app look and function
(???) > perfectly. Telnet into my profile server to see that urwid app:
(???) > telnet://
(???) > veroneau.net:5199
(???) >
(???) > Kevin.
(???) >
(???) > On April 22, 2015 5:01:54 PM MDT, James Mills <
(???) >
(???) > prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) >>
(???) >> wrote:
(???) >>> For a gopher client, I was going to make a console-based one, along
(???) >>> with a Qt4 WebKit-based one. Qt4 is nicely cross platform, so nobody
(???) >>> will be left out.
(???) >>
(???) >> What are you plans here?
(???) >>
(???) >> I'd be interested in a console client (urwid?)
(???) >> and QT4 would be nice too :)
(???) >>
(???) >> cheers
(???) >> James
(???) >>
(???) >>
(???) >> James Mills / prologic
(???) >>
(???) >> E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) >> W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) ames Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) wrote:
(???)
(???) > I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want it to
(???) > be
(???) > mandatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly with
(???) > respect to certificate management.
(???) >
(???)
(???) +1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.
(IMG) 'm also in support of optional TLS. As for gopher+ I think it's the
(PNG) roverbial kicked dead equine. BTW, why are we discussing TLS in a
(???) gopher+" thread? They aren't really related - better to give TLS its
(???) wn thread, no?
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(IMG) also concur about your thoughts on Gopher+. I'd personally like to develop a more modern extension that would both be easier to implement on server and client side.
(???) es, perhaps having a separate thread for TLS would be good.
(???) n April 23, 2015 9:47:00 AM MDT, simple@sdf.org wrote:
(???) James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???)
(???) > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser
(???) <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) > wrote:
(???) >
(???) > > I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want
(???) it to
(???) > > be
(???) > > mandatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly
(???) with
(???) > > respect to certificate management.
(???) > >
(???) >
(???) > +1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.
(???)
(???) I'm also in support of optional TLS. As for gopher+ I think it's the
(???) proverbial kicked dead equine. BTW, why are we discussing TLS in a
(???) "gopher+" thread? They aren't really related - better to give TLS its
(???) own thread, no?
(???)
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(???) html><head></head><body>I also concur about your thoughts on Gopher+. I'd personally like to develop a more modern extension that would both be easier to implement on server and client side.<br>
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(???) es, perhaps having a separate thread for TLS would be good.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 23, 2015 9:47:00 AM MDT, simple@sdf.org wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) pre class="k9mail">James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com><br /> wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want it to<br /> be<br /> mandatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly with<br /> respect to certificate management.</blockquote><br /><br /> +1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.<br /></blockquote><br />I'm also in support of optional TLS. As for gopher+ I think it's the<br />proverbial kicked dead equine. BTW, why are we discussing TLS in a<br />"gopher+" thread? They aren't really related - better to give TLS its<br />own thread, no?<br /><br />Jeff / gopher://<a
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(TN3) he problem with extensions to gopher is getting people to use them. It =
(???) urns out even Gopher+ that is around since ever couldn=E2=80=99t get =
(???) uch traction.
(IMG) f you decide to go with Gopher+ : here is my server that implements it: =
(GIF) opher://matjaz.zapto.org/ <gopher://matjaz.zapto.org/> The =
mplementation is quite complete, it works with UMN Gopher client. It =
(???) ses multiple views, ASK forms, file details =E2=80=A6=20
(???) heers :)
(???) atjaz
(???) On 23. apr. 2015, at 19.00, Kevin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
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(???) I also concur about your thoughts on Gopher+. I'd personally like to =
(DOC) evelop a more modern extension that would both be easier to implement =
(???) n server and client side.
(???) =20
(???) Yes, perhaps having a separate thread for TLS would be good.
(???) =20
(???) On April 23, 2015 9:47:00 AM MDT, simple@sdf.org wrote:
(???) James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
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(???) On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser =
(???) spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) wrote:
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(???) I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I definitely would not want =
t to
(???) be
(???) mandatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly =
(???) ith
(???) respect to certificate management.
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) +1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.
(???) =20
(???) I'm also in support of optional TLS. As for gopher+ I think it's the
(???) proverbial kicked dead equine. BTW, why are we discussing TLS in a
(???) "gopher+" thread? They aren't really related - better to give TLS its
(???) own thread, no?
(???) =20
(???) Jeff / gopher://jgw.mdns.org <http://jgw.mdns.org/>
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(???) lass=3D"">The problem with extensions to gopher is getting people to =
(???) se them. It turns out even Gopher+ that is around since ever couldn=E2=80=
(???) 99t get much traction.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
(???) lass=3D"">If you decide to go with Gopher+ : here is my server that =
mplements it: <a href=3D"gopher://matjaz.zapto.org/" =
(???) lass=3D"">gopher://matjaz.zapto.org/</a> The implementation is =
(???) uite complete, it works with UMN Gopher client. It uses multiple views, =
(???) SK forms, file details =E2=80=A6 </div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers :)</div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Matjaz</div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
(???) ype=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 23. apr. 2015, at 19.00, =
(???) evin Veroneau <<a href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" =
(???) lass=3D"">kevin@veroneau.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">I =
(???) lso concur about your thoughts on Gopher+. I'd personally like to =
(DOC) evelop a more modern extension that would both be easier to implement =
(???) n server and client side.<br class=3D"">
(???) br class=3D"">
(???) es, perhaps having a separate thread for TLS would be good.<br =
(???) lass=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On April 23, 2015 =
(BIN) :47:00 AM MDT, <a href=3D"mailto:simple@sdf.org" =
(???) lass=3D"">simple@sdf.org</a> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
(SND) tyle=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
(PHO) 04); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) pre class=3D"k9mail">James Mills <<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" =
(???) lass=3D"">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt =
(DIR) ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Thu, =
(???) pr 23, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Cameron Kaiser <<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:spectre@floodgap.com" =
(???) lass=3D"">spectre@floodgap.com</a>><br class=3D""> wrote:<br =
(???) lass=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
(SND) tyle=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; =
(PNG) adding-left: 1ex;"> I'm not opposed to Gopher over TLS, but I =
(DOC) efinitely would not want it to<br class=3D""> be<br class=3D""> =
(???) andatory, and it would increase client burden as well particularly =
(???) ith<br class=3D""> respect to certificate management.</blockquote><br =
(???) lass=3D""><br class=3D""> +1 on Gopher over TLS being optional.<br =
(???) lass=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">I'm also in support of optional =
(TN3) LS. As for gopher+ I think it's the<br class=3D"">proverbial kicked =
(DOC) ead equine. BTW, why are we discussing TLS in a<br class=3D"">"gopher+" =
(???) hread? They aren't really related - better to give TLS its<br =
(???) lass=3D"">own thread, no?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Jeff / =
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://jgw.mdns.org/" class=3D"">jgw.mdns.org</a><br =
(???) lass=3D""><br class=3D""><hr class=3D""><br class=3D"">Gopher-Project =
(???) ailing list<br class=3D""><a =
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(???) ect" =
(???) lass=3D"">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-=
(PNG) roject</a><br class=3D""></pre></blockquote></div><br class=3D"">
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(???) ew thread for an important topic :)
(???) ooking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several
(???) vailable ports in the 700-799 range:
(???) 703 Unassigned
(???) 708 Unassigned
(???) 717-728 Unassigned
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(???) s for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a way
(???) hat doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.
(???) erhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model would be
(???) he best starting point such that, for example, someone with a lynx(1)
(???) rowser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer such that
(???) heir now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a
(???) orresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new gopherS
(TN3) LS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using
(???) pensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.
(TN3) he above approach would not preclude others from basically incorporating
(???) he proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one
(SND) olution.
(???) or making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new RFC
(???) or "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing gopher
(???) FC; I don't know which would be easier.
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(IMG) actually quite like this idea to start with :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:18 AM, <simple@sdf.org> wrote:
(???) New thread for an important topic :)
(???)
(???) Looking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several
(???) available ports in the 700-799 range:
(???)
(???) # 703 Unassigned
(???) # 708 Unassigned
(???) # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) # 703 Unassigned
(???) # 708 Unassigned
(???) # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) # 732-740 Unassigned
(???) # 743 Unassigned
(???) # 745-746 Unassigned
(???) # 755-756 Unassigned
(???) # 766 Unassigned
(???) # 768 Unassigned
(???) # 778-779 Unassigned
(???) # 781-785 Unassigned
(???) # 786 Unassigned
(???) # 787 Unassigned
(???) # 788-799 Unassigned
(???)
(???) As for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a way
(???) that doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.
(???)
(???) Perhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model would be
(???) the best starting point such that, for example, someone with a lynx(1)
(???) browser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer such that
(???) their now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a
(???) corresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new gopherS
(???) TLS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using
(???) opensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.
(???)
(???) The above approach would not preclude others from basically incorporating
(???) the proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one
(???) solution.
(???)
(???) For making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new RFC
(???) for "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing gopher
(???) RFC; I don't know which would be easier.
(???)
(???) Jeff / gopher://jgw.mdns.org
(???)
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">I actually quite like this idea to start with :)<div><br><=
(???) div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br =
(???) lear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-col=
(???) apse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"ari=
(???) l, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, s=
(???) ns-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<=
(???) href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)"=
(???) target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span=
(???) style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136=
(???) ;font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.ne=
(???) .au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;c=
(???) lor:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></=
(DOC) iv></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:18 AM, <span dir=
(???) 3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:simple@sdf.org" target=3D"_blank">simple@sdf=
(???) org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
(???) gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">New thread for=
(???) an important topic :)<br>
(???) br>
(???) ooking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several<br>
(???) vailable ports in the 700-799 range:<br>
(???) br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0703=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0708=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0717-728=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0703=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0708=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0717-728=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0732-740=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0743=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0745-746=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0755-756=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0766=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0768=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0778-779=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0781-785=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0786=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0787=
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0788-799=C2=
(???) A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unassigned<br>
(???) br>
(???) s for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a way<br>
(???) hat doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.<br>
(???) br>
(???) erhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model would be<b=
(???) >
(???) he best starting point such that, for example, someone with a lynx(1)<br>
(???) rowser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer s=
(???) ch that<br>
(???) heir now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a<br>
(???) orresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new g=
(???) pherS<br>
(TN3) LS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using<br>
(???) pensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he above approach would not preclude others from basically incorporating<b=
(???) >
(???) he proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one<br>
(SND) olution.<br>
(???) br>
(???) or making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new RFC<br=
(???)
(???) or "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing g=
(???) pher<br>
(???) FC; I don't know which would be easier.<br>
(???) br>
(???) eff / gopher://<a href=3D"http://jgw.mdns.org" target=3D"_blank">jgw.mdns.=
(???) rg</a><br>
(???) br>
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(???) a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org">Gopher-Project@li=
(SND) ts.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-p=
(???) oject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li=
(SND) tinfo/gopher-project</a><br>
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(IMG) can help out with creating a client and server proxy for this. However I'm not sure how this will work. Here are my key concerns:
(TN3) he Gopher protocol doesn't natively support proxy servers. So, connecting to localhost can only tunnel to a single remote gopher server...
(???) ewritting of gopher menus to change both the host and port will also be needed.
(???) s a result, I don't think creating a TLS proxy would be feasible, let alone tunneling through an SSH or SSL tunnel.
(TN3) he major issue with the gopher protocol is it's menus provide a host and port. While this is also a huge benefit to the protocol, it's also a hurdle when it comes to proxying the protocol itself. Thankfully the menus are easily parsable.
(???) n April 23, 2015 3:00:27 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???) I actually quite like this idea to start with :)
(???)
(???) cheers
(???) James
(???)
(???)
(???) James Mills / prologic
(???)
(???) E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???)
(???) On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:18 AM, <simple@sdf.org> wrote:
(???)
(???) > New thread for an important topic :)
(???) >
(???) > Looking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several
(???) > available ports in the 700-799 range:
(???) >
(???) > # 703 Unassigned
(???) > # 708 Unassigned
(???) > # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) > # 703 Unassigned
(???) > # 708 Unassigned
(???) > # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) > # 732-740 Unassigned
(???) > # 743 Unassigned
(???) > # 745-746 Unassigned
(???) > # 755-756 Unassigned
(???) > # 766 Unassigned
(???) > # 768 Unassigned
(???) > # 778-779 Unassigned
(???) > # 781-785 Unassigned
(???) > # 786 Unassigned
(???) > # 787 Unassigned
(???) > # 788-799 Unassigned
(???) >
(???) > As for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a
(???) way
(???) > that doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.
(???) >
(???) > Perhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model
(???) would be
(???) > the best starting point such that, for example, someone with a
(???) lynx(1)
(???) > browser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer such
(???) that
(???) > their now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a
(???) > corresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new
(???) gopherS
(???) > TLS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using
(???) > opensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.
(???) >
(???) > The above approach would not preclude others from basically
(???) incorporating
(???) > the proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one
(???) > solution.
(???) >
(???) > For making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new
(???) RFC
(???) > for "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing
(???) gopher
(???) > RFC; I don't know which would be easier.
(???) >
(???) > Jeff / gopher://jgw.mdns.org
(???) >
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) >
(???) http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???) >
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(???) html><head></head><body>I can help out with creating a client and server proxy for this. However I'm not sure how this will work. Here are my key concerns:<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he Gopher protocol doesn't natively support proxy servers. So, connecting to localhost can only tunnel to a single remote gopher server...<br>
(???) ewritting of gopher menus to change both the host and port will also be needed.<br>
(???) br>
(???) s a result, I don't think creating a TLS proxy would be feasible, let alone tunneling through an SSH or SSL tunnel.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he major issue with the gopher protocol is it's menus provide a host and port. While this is also a huge benefit to the protocol, it's also a hurdle when it comes to proxying the protocol itself. Thankfully the menus are easily parsable.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 23, 2015 3:00:27 PM MDT, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div dir="ltr">I actually quite like this idea to start with :)<div><br /></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" /><div><div class="gmail_signature"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br /><br /><font face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new', monospace">E:Â <a href="mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style="color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:Â </span><a href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target="_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br /></div></div></div>
(???) br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:18 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simple@sdf.org" target="_blank">simple@sdf.org</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">New thread for an important topic :)<br />
(???) br />
(???) ooking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several<br />
(???) vailable ports in the 700-799 range:<br />
(???) br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 703Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 708Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 717-728Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 703Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 708Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 717-728Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 732-740Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 743Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
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(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 755-756Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 766Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
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(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 778-779Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 781-785Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
(???) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 786Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Unassigned<br />
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(???) br />
(???) s for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a way<br />
(???) hat doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.<br />
(???) br />
(???) erhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model would be<br />
(???) he best starting point such that, for example, someone with a lynx(1)<br />
(???) rowser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer such that<br />
(???) heir now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a<br />
(???) orresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new gopherS<br />
(TN3) LS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using<br />
(???) pensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.<br />
(???) br />
(TN3) he above approach would not preclude others from basically incorporating<br />
(???) he proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one<br />
(SND) olution.<br />
(???) br />
(???) or making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new RFC<br />
(???) or "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing gopher<br />
(???) FC; I don't know which would be easier.<br />
(???) br />
(???) eff / gopher://<a href="http://jgw.mdns.org" target="_blank">jgw.mdns.org</a><br />
(???) br />
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(???) ood morning!
(???) n Thu, 2015-04-23 at 12:18 -0700, simple@sdf.org wrote:
(???) New thread for an important topic :)
(???) =20
(???) Looking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several
(???) available ports in the 700-799 range:
(???) =20
(???) # 703 Unassigned
(???) # 708 Unassigned
(???) # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) # 703 Unassigned
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(IMG) 'm not sure another port needs to be assigned.
(???) lease see RFC2817 and RFC2818 as reference.
(???) lso consider the way cups does it. Beside supporting RFC2817 it detects
(TN3) LS clients and can handle both kinds on the same port.
(???) As for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a way
(???) that doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.
(???) =20
(???) Perhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model would be
(???) the best starting point such that, for example, someone with a lynx(1)
(???) browser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer such that
(???) their now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a
(???) corresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new gopherS
(???) TLS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using
(???) opensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.
(???) =20
(???) The above approach would not preclude others from basically incorporating
(???) the proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one
(???) solution.
(IMG) think using proxys will not improve the situation much:
(???) ou can already have that. Also it is prone to security problems such as
(???) hat the client is not aware of the TLS link. There are many known
(???) ttacks to such proxified setups.
(???) For making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new RFC
(???) for "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing gopher
(???) RFC; I don't know which would be easier.
(IMG) would kind of implement it in a RFC that is considered an addition to
(???) he existing one.
(TN3) wo little notes:
(???) * SSL is dead. There is no secure configuration left. So please
(???) keep it to TLS.
(???) * Vhosting should be kept in mind. Gopher doesn't really support
(???) this but there is no reason not to use multiple hostnames for
(???) the same server. In this case TLS is used this may become
(???) relevant as certs may differ. See RFC2817 and RFC6066.
(???) -=20
(???) hilipp.
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(???) i,
(TN3) his is nothing new but I do not think I have seen it posted on this
(???) ist. Maybe of interest to some;
(HTM) ttps://userstyles.org/styles/95379/overbiteff-mozilla-ftp-directory-style
(???) way to make the gopherholes when using OverbiteFF presented a bit
(DOC) ifferently. You first need to install the plugin "Stylish" to make it work.
(IMG) personally prefer the default layout instead of this.
(???) hat I do like of it is that the background is not pure white but a bit
(GIF) ray. That is more comfortable to look at.
(???) reetings,
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(???) This is nothing new but I do not think I have seen it posted on this
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(???)
(???) https://userstyles.org/styles/95379/overbiteff-mozilla-ftp-directory-style
(???)
(???) A way to make the gopherholes when using OverbiteFF presented a bit
(???) differently. You first need to install the plugin "Stylish" to make it work.
(???)
(???) I personally prefer the default layout instead of this.
(???)
(???) What I do like of it is that the background is not pure white but a bit
(???) gray. That is more comfortable to look at.
(???) ou can make changes to the default skin for OverbiteFF:
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(???) p 23-02-14 om 19:20 schreef Mateusz Viste:
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) I like to read a few web comics from time to time. I prefer to read
(???) when I'm away from a computer, preferably on my smartphone. My problem
(???) is that checking for updates of my favorite webcomics is taking ages
(???) on a smallish screen with a sluggish android web browser.
(???)
(???) On the other hand, Overbite is working very nicely (fast!) on my
(???) Android, therefore I came up with the idea that I will read webcomics
(???) on my phone via gopher since now on.
(???)
(???) All this to say that I've set up a little gopher service that grabs
(???) automatically updates from latest webcomics I like, and allow to
(???) browse them via gopher. If there are some webcomics freaks like me out
(???) here, I'd love to hear what you think about this:
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/comics
(???)
(???) Not sure that sharing the code of this 'GophComix' engine would be of
(???) any interest to the community... But if so, I might package it to make
(???) it possible for others to reuse it for similar purposes.
(???)
(???) // complain mode on
(???) Too bad that the android version of overbite do not supports
(???) displaying images on html pages :/ Is it something that have any
(???) chance to get improved in some future, or should I consider Overbite
(???) on Android an 'end of life' software? :)
(???) // complain mode off
(???)
(???) cheers,
(???) Mateusz
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(IMG) was reading back postings on this list and noticed this message.
(???) n my Samsung galaxy tab 3, android version 4.4.2 I am using Overbite
(???) or Android.
(???) .. and I have no problems on displaying image on HTML-pages. It works
(???) ust great. Maybe the Android version makes a difference.
(TN3) est links that works for me;
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste.fr/h/comics/gophcomix.cgi?dilbert
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste.fr/h/comics/gophcomix.cgi?oglaf
(GIF) opher://port70.net/hnecron/THEGAME.html
(???) nd while I have the opportunity;
(TN3) hanks to Cameron Kaiser for Overbite!
(???) reetings,
(???) alter
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(???) p 25-04-15 om 19:37 schreef Cameron Kaiser:
(???) You can make changes to the default skin for OverbiteFF:
(???)
(???)
(???)
(TN3) hanks.
(???) as easy and obvious (value background-color: )
(???) nly thing that you need to make sure off and is not in the information
(???) but also obvious actuality) is that the css file in the 'gopherchrome'
(DOC) irectory need to be named 'gopherchrome.css' and not
(???) internal-gopherchrome.css'
(???) reetings,
(???) alter
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(???) n 4/23/15 7:40 PM, Philipp Schafft wrote:
(???) Good morning!
(???) =20
(???) On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 12:18 -0700, simple@sdf.org wrote:
(???) > New thread for an important topic :)
(???) >
(???) > Looking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several
(???) > available ports in the 700-799 range:
(???) >
(???) > # 703 Unassigned
(???) > # 708 Unassigned
(???) > # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) > # 703 Unassigned
(???) > # 708 Unassigned
(???) > # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) > # 732-740 Unassigned
(???) > # 743 Unassigned
(???) > # 745-746 Unassigned
(???) > # 755-756 Unassigned
(???) > # 766 Unassigned
(???) > # 768 Unassigned
(???) > # 778-779 Unassigned
(???) > # 781-785 Unassigned
(???) > # 786 Unassigned
(???) > # 787 Unassigned
(???) > # 788-799 Unassigned
(???) =20
(???) I'm not sure another port needs to be assigned.
(???) Please see RFC2817 and RFC2818 as reference.
(???) Also consider the way cups does it. Beside supporting RFC2817 it detect=
(SND)
(???) TLS clients and can handle both kinds on the same port.
(???) UPS/anything that uses STARTLS, etc.
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) > As for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a wa=
(???)
(???) > that doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.
(???) >
(???) > Perhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model would=
(???) be
(???) > the best starting point such that, for example, someone with a lynx(1)=
(???) > browser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer such t=
(HTM) at
(???) > their now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a
(???) > corresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new gopher=
(???)
(???) > TLS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using
(???) > opensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.
(???) >
(???) > The above approach would not preclude others from basically incorporat=
ng
(???) > the proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one
(???) > solution.
(???) =20
(???) I think using proxys will not improve the situation much:
(???) you can already have that. Also it is prone to security problems such a=
(SND)
(???) that the client is not aware of the TLS link. There are many known
(???) attacks to such proxified setups.
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) > For making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new R=
(???) C
(???) > for "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing gopher=
(???) > RFC; I don't know which would be easier.
(???) =20
(???) I would kind of implement it in a RFC that is considered an addition to=
(???) the existing one.
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) Two little notes:
(???) * SSL is dead. There is no secure configuration left. So please
(???) keep it to TLS.
(???) * Vhosting should be kept in mind. Gopher doesn't really support
(???) this but there is no reason not to use multiple hostnames for
(???) the same server. In this case TLS is used this may become
(???) relevant as certs may differ. See RFC2817 and RFC6066.
(???) TTP does this with Server Name Indication. That would be a good way to
(???) pproach the problem in gopher
(???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication).
(IMG) 'd be happy to help implement this in some client/server as well.
(???) ibreSSL has added their libtls family of functions, which aims to
(???) educe the difficulty of writing software that uses TLS. The API isn't
(???) holly stable yet, but it's a much better starting point than the
(???) adness which is OpenSSL's API.
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) =20
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(???) illiam Orr <will@worrbase.com> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > Two little notes:
(???) > * SSL is dead. There is no secure configuration left. So please
(???) > keep it to TLS.
(???) > * Vhosting should be kept in mind. Gopher doesn't really support
(???) > this but there is no reason not to use multiple hostnames for
(???) > the same server. In this case TLS is used this may become
(???) > relevant as certs may differ. See RFC2817 and RFC6066.
(???)
(???) HTTP does this with Server Name Indication. That would be a good way to
(???) approach the problem in gopher
(???) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication).
(???)
(???) I'd be happy to help implement this in some client/server as well.
(???) LibreSSL has added their libtls family of functions, which aims to
(???) reduce the difficulty of writing software that uses TLS. The API isn't
(???) wholly stable yet, but it's a much better starting point than the
(???) madness which is OpenSSL's API.
(IMG) 'm not much of a coder but I'd be willing to help test things via
(???) ompiling and/or hosting test servers. My upstream bandwidth isn't great
(???) ut for gopher stuff it should be fine. Current gopherd is geomyidae[1]
(???) unning on VIA i386 system.
(IMG) hope some progress can be made with respect to adding encryption to
(GIF) opher; the rest of the Internet seems to be moving in that direction
(???) nd I think gopher risks further malignment if it remains strictly a
(???) lear-text protocol.
(???) eff / gopher://jgw.mdns.org
(???) 1] gopher://gopher.r-36.net/1/geomyidae.gph
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Fri, 2015-04-24 at 22:00 -0700, William Orr wrote:
(???) On 4/23/15 7:40 PM, Philipp Schafft wrote:
(???) > Good morning!
(???) h, yes, morning it is. *can see the darkness slowly pushed away by the
(DOC) ark blue that is on the eastward horizon even before the red of the
(???) orning sun is approaching to welcome the new day*
(???) > On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 12:18 -0700, simple@sdf.org wrote:
(???) >> New thread for an important topic :)
(???) >>
(???) >> Looking in my OS's /etc/services file it appears there are several
(???) >> available ports in the 700-799 range:
(???) >>
(???) >> # 703 Unassigned
(???) >> # 708 Unassigned
(???) >> # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) >> # 703 Unassigned
(???) >> # 708 Unassigned
(???) >> # 717-728 Unassigned
(???) >> # 732-740 Unassigned
(???) >> # 743 Unassigned
(???) >> # 745-746 Unassigned
(???) >> # 755-756 Unassigned
(???) >> # 766 Unassigned
(???) >> # 768 Unassigned
(???) >> # 778-779 Unassigned
(???) >> # 781-785 Unassigned
(???) >> # 786 Unassigned
(???) >> # 787 Unassigned
(???) >> # 788-799 Unassigned
(???) >=20
(???) > I'm not sure another port needs to be assigned.
(???) > Please see RFC2817 and RFC2818 as reference.
(???) > Also consider the way cups does it. Beside supporting RFC2817 it detect=
(SND)
(???) > TLS clients and can handle both kinds on the same port.
(???) =20
(???) CUPS/anything that uses STARTLS, etc.
(???) n HTTP this is Upgrade+TLS [RFC2817]. It's more than just STARTTLS but
n this case doing the same. But CUPS does some more here: It can *also*
(DOC) etect RFC2818 mode (HTTP-over-TLS) clients. I think this works by
(DOC) etecting if the client sends a TLS or a HTTP request. May be a bit more
(???) omplicated to implement but is compatible with all modes on one
(???) istening socket.
(???) >> As for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a wa=
(???)
(???) >> that doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.
(???) >>
(???) >> Perhaps adopting some sort of external client+server proxy model would=
(???) be
(???) >> the best starting point such that, for example, someone with a lynx(1)
(???) >> browser could install a "secure_gopher" proxy on their computer such t=
(HTM) at
(???) >> their now local port 70 requests are SSL-wrapped and sent on to a
(???) >> corresponding "secure_gopher" proxy server listening on the new gopher=
(???)
(???) >> TLS encrypted port (785 maybe?). Probably it's already doable using
(???) >> opensshd and SOCKS, just need to pick a port.
(???) >>
(???) >> The above approach would not preclude others from basically incorporat=
ng
(???) >> the proxy model into their new clients and servers for an all-in-one
(???) >> solution.
(???) >=20
(???) > I think using proxys will not improve the situation much:
(???) > you can already have that. Also it is prone to security problems such a=
(SND)
(???) > that the client is not aware of the TLS link. There are many known
(???) > attacks to such proxified setups.
(???) >=20
(???) >=20
(???) >> For making it officially part of Gopher World I think it means a new R=
(???) C
(???) >> for "secure gopher" or at least adding the spec to the existing gopher
(???) >> RFC; I don't know which would be easier.
(???) >=20
(???) > I would kind of implement it in a RFC that is considered an addition to
(???) > the existing one.
(???) >=20
(???) >=20
(???) > Two little notes:
(???) > * SSL is dead. There is no secure configuration left. So please
(???) > keep it to TLS.
(???) > * Vhosting should be kept in mind. Gopher doesn't really support
(???) > this but there is no reason not to use multiple hostnames for
(???) > the same server. In this case TLS is used this may become
(???) > relevant as certs may differ. See RFC2817 and RFC6066.
(???) =20
(???) HTTP does this with Server Name Indication. That would be a good way to
(???) approach the problem in gopher
(???) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication).
(???) TTP itself does it via Host:-header. In case RFC2818 mode is used it
(DOC) oesn't care at all about the transport (and therefore certs). In
(???) FC2817 mode it will also use the Host:-header to tell the server which
(???) host you are connecting to. SNI [RFC6066] is TLS's way of solving it.
(IMG) t is upper-layer agnostic and may be the better option for gopher.
(???) aybe a (to be written) RFC should declare SNI as a requirement for
(???) lients. As this is defining something new there aren't many things we
(???) eed to take care of in terms of compatibility, so stuff like this could
(???) e enforced by the RFC.
(???) I'd be happy to help implement this in some client/server as well.
(???) LibreSSL has added their libtls family of functions, which aims to
(???) reduce the difficulty of writing software that uses TLS. The API isn't
(???) wholly stable yet, but it's a much better starting point than the
(???) madness which is OpenSSL's API.
(IMG) think implementation is a important task. Of cause. Yet I would love
(???) o see a standard of some kind first. Otherwise we will end up with
(???) ultiple implementations that can't talk to each other or are only
(???) ompatible on a very basic level. (Do we want yet another standard
(???) verybody 'interprets' in a completely different way?)
(???) ave a nice day and thank you for reading and considering my input!
(???) -=20
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Adding TLS and/or SSL support to Gopher
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(???) n Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:18 PM, <simple@sdf.org> wrote:
(???) New thread for an important topic :)
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(???) As for implementation of the concept, I feel it should be done in a way
(???) that doesn't shut out existing gopher clients/servers.
(???) orry for barging in into the Gopher over TLS discussion, but I think
(???) n important step was skipped, namely what is the expected outcome of
(???) his move? (Which are its use cases?)
(IMG) 've quickly looked through the initial thread and this one, and
(???) esides a mention of "it would make Gopher more secure", and technical
mpediments, I haven't seen even a rough analysis of its benefits and
(???) especially) costs.
(???) From what I gather Gopher is mainly used for its simplicity, both in
(???) riting servers or clients, and the fact that it is light in resource
(???) onsumption. Now adding TLS on-top of this, would certainly remove
(???) he "lightness", and provide a "false" sense of security, because
mplementing (or even using) cryptographic elements is quite tough.
(???) Just look at the number of issues stemming from SSL/TLS and its
ntegration in HTTPS.)
(IMG) would assume that the main use case would be to protect a small
(???) umber of resources from peering-eyes.
(TN3) his can much easily be achieved with something like below:
(???) introduce a new resource type for "encrypted" resources; (granted
(???) he selector is still in plain text, thus no private information
(SND) hould be contained within;) (perhaps a new resource type for
(???) encrypted" menus?)
(???) make supporting servers expose a special resource which provides its
(???) ertificate; (in essence only the public key is needed;) (perhaps in
(???) he capabilities resource?)
(???) when the client wants to use the selector of the encrypted resource,
t will instead derive a new selector which should contain, encrypted
(???) owards the public key of the server, the actual selector and a random
(???) oken (see below on its usage), and perhaps some additional details
(???) egarding the cryptographic technique the client would like to be used
(???) or the resource data;
(???) the server would then encrypt the response with the random token and
(???) he algorithm requested by the client;
(???) the server now returns this data, and the client (which has the
(???) andom token) can now decrypt the data;
(???) for better security one could instead use GnuPG, thus using PGP
(PNG) ublic keys for the server, and all the rest of that ecosystem,
ncluding signatures; perhaps using PGP public keys even on the
(???) lient side instead of the random token; thus all we are left with is
(???) wo PGP messages both ways, and all the server needs to do
(???) ryptographic wise is to call GnuPG;
(???) oila:
(???) we don't break the protocol;
(???) we allow backward compatibility;
(???) servers which don't support this, but support some kind of CGI would
(???) e able to support it for selected resources;
(???) isclaimer: I haven't done myself even a rough analysis of my
(PNG) roposal above, but I think going with GnuPG is better for Gopher than
(GIF) oing with TLS.
(???) iprian.
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