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(IMG) have given your suggested changes due consideration, and I have decided
(???) o implement the majority of them. Ciprian, please inform me if there is
(???) nything else that lacks clarity.
(???) or anyone who has come into the discussion late, please note that the
(???) pdated file is available at http://piratepad.net/gopher
(???) dward Matavka
(???) n 31 December 2014 at 06:07, Ciprian Dorin Craciun <
(???) iprian.craciun@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Nick Matavka
(???) <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) > I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I
(???) re-submit
(???) > the same link. Please edit it and comment to the best of your ability.
(???) I
(???) > hope to actually submit this in the near future.
(???) >
(???) > http://piratepad.net/gopher
(???)
(???)
(???) I've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (and
(???) proposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.
(???) They can be found at the following link:
(???)
(???)
(???) http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal
(???)
(???)
(???) (Disclaimer: I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during the
(???) "golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, neither do
(???) I actively run a Gopher server. However I did read Gopher's history,
(???) and early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.
(???) Moreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,
(???) and I do have a computer-science / research background.)
(???)
(???)
(???) Regarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to
(???) follow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version. Perhaps the
(???) document can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then
(???) exported to HTML for readability. Moreover the sections (and / or
(???) actual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them
(???) while commenting (without modifying the actual text). (Obviously when
(???) removing an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)
(???)
(???) Regarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like Git
(???) or Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to
(???) proper diffs, history, and especially merges. Moreover using
(???) something like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing and
(???) automatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.
(???)
(???) (I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to
(???) RestructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and
(???) preparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the
(???) document as HTML.)
(???)
(???) Hope it helps,
(???) Ciprian.
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I have given your suggested changes due consideration=
(???) and I have decided to implement the majority of them.=C2=A0 Ciprian, plea=
(SND) e inform me if there is anything else that lacks clarity.<br><br>For anyon=
(???) who has come into the discussion late, please note that the updated file =
s available at <a href=3D"http://piratepad.net/gopher">http://piratepad.ne=
(???) /gopher</a><br><br></div>Edward Matavka<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
(???) ><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 December 2014 at 06:07, Ciprian Dori=
(???) Craciun <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ciprian.craciun@gmail.com=
(???) target=3D"_blank">ciprian.craciun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blo=
(???) kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
(???) c solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 P=
(???) , Nick Matavka<br>
(???) lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com">n.theodore.matavk=
(???) .files@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
(???) gt; I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I re-s=
(???) bmit<br>
(???) gt; the same link.=C2=A0 Please edit it and comment to the best of your ab=
lity.=C2=A0 I<br>
(???) gt; hope to actually submit this in the near future.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; <a href=3D"http://piratepad.net/gopher" target=3D"_blank">http://pirat=
(???) pad.net/gopher</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>I've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (a=
(???) d<br>
(PNG) roposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.<br>
(TN3) hey can be found at the following link:<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/=
(???) ublic/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.volution.ro/=
(???) iprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) Disclaimer:=C2=A0 I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during=
(???) the<br>
(???) quot;golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, ne=
ther do<br>
(IMG) actively run a Gopher server.=C2=A0 However I did read Gopher's histo=
(???) y,<br>
(???) nd early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.<br>
(???) oreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,<br>
(???) nd I do have a computer-science / research background.)<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) egarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to<b=
(???) >
(???) ollow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version.=C2=A0 Perhaps the<br>
(DOC) ocument can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then<br>
(???) xported to HTML for readability.=C2=A0 Moreover the sections (and / or<br>
(???) ctual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them<br>
(???) hile commenting (without modifying the actual text).=C2=A0 (Obviously when=
(???) br>
(???) emoving an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)<br>
(???) br>
(???) egarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like =
(???) it<br>
(???) r Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to<br>
(PNG) roper diffs, history, and especially merges.=C2=A0 Moreover using<br>
(SND) omething like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing =
(???) nd<br>
(???) utomatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.<br>
(???) br>
(???) I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to<br>
(???) estructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and<br>
(PNG) reparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the<br>
(DOC) ocument as HTML.)<br>
(???) br>
(???) ope it helps,<br>
(???) iprian.<br>
(???) div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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(???) n Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Nick Matavka <
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(???) I have given your suggested changes due consideration, and I have decided
(???) to implement the majority of them. Ciprian, please inform me if there is
(???) anything else that lacks clarity.
(???)
(???) For anyone who has come into the discussion late, please note that the
(???) updated file is available at http://piratepad.net/gopher
(???)
(???) Edward Matavka
(???)
(???) On 31 December 2014 at 06:07, Ciprian Dorin Craciun <
(???) ciprian.craciun@gmail.com> wrote:
(???)
(???) > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Nick Matavka
(???) > <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) > > I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I
(???) > re-submit
(???) > > the same link. Please edit it and comment to the best of your
(???) > ability. I
(???) > > hope to actually submit this in the near future.
(???) > >
(???) > > http://piratepad.net/gopher
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > I've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (and
(???) > proposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.
(???) > They can be found at the following link:
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > (Disclaimer: I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during the
(???) > "golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, neither do
(???) > I actively run a Gopher server. However I did read Gopher's history,
(???) > and early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.
(???) > Moreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,
(???) > and I do have a computer-science / research background.)
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > Regarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to
(???) > follow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version. Perhaps the
(???) > document can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then
(???) > exported to HTML for readability. Moreover the sections (and / or
(???) > actual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them
(???) > while commenting (without modifying the actual text). (Obviously when
(???) > removing an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)
(???) >
(???) > Regarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like Git
(???) > or Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to
(???) > proper diffs, history, and especially merges. Moreover using
(???) > something like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing and
(???) > automatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.
(???) >
(???) > (I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to
(???) > RestructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and
(???) > preparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the
(???) > document as HTML.)
(???) >
(???) > Hope it helps,
(???) > Ciprian.
(???) >
(???) > _______________________________________________
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(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???) >
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(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Nick Matavk=
(???) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.co=
(???) " target=3D"_blank">n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com</a>></span> wrot=
(???) :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
(???) ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I have given you=
(???) suggested changes due consideration, and I have decided to implement the =
(???) ajority of them.=C2=A0 Ciprian, please inform me if there is anything else=
(???) that lacks clarity.<br><br>For anyone who has come into the discussion lat=
(???) , please note that the updated file is available at <a href=3D"http://pira=
(???) epad.net/gopher" target=3D"_blank">http://piratepad.net/gopher</a><br><br>=
(???) /div>Edward Matavka<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div class=3D=
(???) h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 December 2014 at 06:07, Ciprian D=
(???) rin Craciun <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ciprian.craciun@gmail.=
(???) om" target=3D"_blank">ciprian.craciun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><=
(???) lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Nick =
(???) atavka<br>
(???) lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
(???) n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
(???) gt; I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I re-s=
(???) bmit<br>
(???) gt; the same link.=C2=A0 Please edit it and comment to the best of your ab=
lity.=C2=A0 I<br>
(???) gt; hope to actually submit this in the near future.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; <a href=3D"http://piratepad.net/gopher" target=3D"_blank">http://pirat=
(???) pad.net/gopher</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>I've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (a=
(???) d<br>
(PNG) roposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.<br>
(TN3) hey can be found at the following link:<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/=
(???) ublic/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.volution.ro/=
(???) iprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) Disclaimer:=C2=A0 I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during=
(???) the<br>
(???) quot;golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, ne=
ther do<br>
(IMG) actively run a Gopher server.=C2=A0 However I did read Gopher's histo=
(???) y,<br>
(???) nd early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.<br>
(???) oreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,<br>
(???) nd I do have a computer-science / research background.)<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) egarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to<b=
(???) >
(???) ollow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version.=C2=A0 Perhaps the<br>
(DOC) ocument can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then<br>
(???) xported to HTML for readability.=C2=A0 Moreover the sections (and / or<br>
(???) ctual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them<br>
(???) hile commenting (without modifying the actual text).=C2=A0 (Obviously when=
(???) br>
(???) emoving an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)<br>
(???) br>
(???) egarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like =
(???) it<br>
(???) r Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to<br>
(PNG) roper diffs, history, and especially merges.=C2=A0 Moreover using<br>
(SND) omething like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing =
(???) nd<br>
(???) utomatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.<br>
(???) br>
(???) I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to<br>
(???) estructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and<br>
(PNG) reparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the<br>
(DOC) ocument as HTML.)<br>
(???) br>
(???) ope it helps,<br>
(???) iprian.<br>
(???) div><div><br>
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(???) ello list,
(???) ere's a quick update on GopherMole - I worked on it since my last post,
(???) nd made a few improvements:
(???) - a 'statistics' page, where one can see some interesting numbers
(???) - support for PDF documents (although sadly, not many PDF files in the
(GIF) opherspace contain proper metadata to identify them)
(???) - random searches (as in "give me 10 random mp3 files")
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole/
(IMG) nteresting fact: my spider arrived to the end of the visible
(GIF) opherspace, and found out there are 43'575 menus out there, spread over
(DIR) 34 servers. These are definitely not very high numbers.
(IMG) 'm curious to know whether the spider missed any servers - the full
(???) ist is available on gophermole (in the "statistics" menu). If you are a
(GIF) opher server owner, and see your server is not listed, I'd be happy to
(???) now about it!
(???) heers,
(???) ateusz
(???) n 12/30/2014 11:13 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) Hi all,
(???)
(???) Here I present GopherMole.
(???)
(???) GopherMole is a project I worked on since some time now, and today is
(???) the day when it's ready enough to be put public. It is basically a
(???) gopher crawler, but focused on media files, and indexing the actual
(???) (meta) content of files, not their menu descriptions.
(???)
(???) It's far from being as polished as I'd like it to be, I will improve it
(???) with time. For now, it indexes MP3, OGG and EPUB files. Other formats
(???) will come later.
(???)
(???) Finally, here is the URL where you can take GopherMole for a test ride:
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole
(???)
(???) cheers,
(???) Mateusz
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(???) oesn't floodgap list how many active servers are currently in circulation? That number does sound super small... maybe there's some hidden pirate servers out there that are used for illegal file sharing. Gopher, being so obscure seems like the perfect protocol for pirates. I'm sure there are also many BBS systems that also enable piracy, just like back in the good old days.
(???) n January 1, 2015 9:00:01 AM MST, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) Hello list,
(???)
(???) Here's a quick update on GopherMole - I worked on it since my last
(???) post,
(???) and made a few improvements:
(???)
(???) - a 'statistics' page, where one can see some interesting numbers
(???) - support for PDF documents (although sadly, not many PDF files in the
(???) gopherspace contain proper metadata to identify them)
(???) - random searches (as in "give me 10 random mp3 files")
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole/
(???)
(???) Interesting fact: my spider arrived to the end of the visible
(???) gopherspace, and found out there are 43'575 menus out there, spread
(???) over
(???) 134 servers. These are definitely not very high numbers.
(???)
(???) I'm curious to know whether the spider missed any servers - the full
(???) list is available on gophermole (in the "statistics" menu). If you are
(???) a
(???) gopher server owner, and see your server is not listed, I'd be happy to
(???)
(???) know about it!
(???)
(???) cheers,
(???) Mateusz
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) On 12/30/2014 11:13 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) > Hi all,
(???) >
(???) > Here I present GopherMole.
(???) >
(???) > GopherMole is a project I worked on since some time now, and today is
(???) > the day when it's ready enough to be put public. It is basically a
(???) > gopher crawler, but focused on media files, and indexing the actual
(???) > (meta) content of files, not their menu descriptions.
(???) >
(???) > It's far from being as polished as I'd like it to be, I will improve
(???) it
(???) > with time. For now, it indexes MP3, OGG and EPUB files. Other formats
(???) > will come later.
(???) >
(???) > Finally, here is the URL where you can take GopherMole for a test
(???) ride:
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole
(???) >
(???) > cheers,
(???) > Mateusz
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(???) html><head></head><body>Doesn't floodgap list how many active servers are currently in circulation? That number does sound super small... maybe there's some hidden pirate servers out there that are used for illegal file sharing. Gopher, being so obscure seems like the perfect protocol for pirates. I'm sure there are also many BBS systems that also enable piracy, just like back in the good old days.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On January 1, 2015 9:00:01 AM MST, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) pre class="k9mail">Hello list,<br /><br />Here's a quick update on GopherMole - I worked on it since my last post, <br />and made a few improvements:<br /><br /> - a 'statistics' page, where one can see some interesting numbers<br /> - support for PDF documents (although sadly, not many PDF files in the <br />gopherspace contain proper metadata to identify them)<br /> - random searches (as in "give me 10 random mp3 files")<br /><br /> gopher://<a href="http://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole">gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole</a>/<br /><br />Interesting fact: my spider arrived to the end of the visible <br />gopherspace, and found out there are 43'575 menus out there, spread over <br />134 servers. These are definitely not very high numbers.<br /><br />I'm curious to know whether the spider missed any servers - the full <br />list is available on gophermole (in the "statistics" menu). If you are a <br />gopher server owner, and see your server is not listed, I'd be happy to <br
(???) />know
(???) bout it!<br /><br />cheers,<br />Mateusz<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />On 12/30/2014 11:13 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi all,<br /><br /> Here I present GopherMole.<br /><br /> GopherMole is a project I worked on since some time now, and today is<br /> the day when it's ready enough to be put public. It is basically a<br /> gopher crawler, but focused on media files, and indexing the actual<br /> (meta) content of files, not their menu descriptions.<br /><br /> It's far from being as polished as I'd like it to be, I will improve it<br /> with time. For now, it indexes MP3, OGG and EPUB files. Other formats<br /> will come later.<br /><br /> Finally, here is the URL where you can take GopherMole for a test ride:<br /><br /> gopher://<a href="http://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole">gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole</a><br /><br /> cheers,<br /> Mateusz<br
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(???) arkdown for the win! See, my idea of preferring Markdown in my Gopher client update was a perfect choice. Considering RFCs are also written in a similar syntax. Markdown is just so easy to read regardless if it's rendered as rich text or plain text. I actually never knew RFC documents were markdown compatible. Learn something new everyday.
(???) n December 31, 2014 10:43:40 AM MST, Nick Matavka <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) I took a look at your suggestions and I am putting them under due
(???) consideration, as regards content. This is less about bringing Gopher
(???) up
(???) to date than it is about bringing the spec up to current practice.
(???) Essentially, we are writing in Latin but speaking in French; the RFC is
(???) only meant to translate our original document to French.
(???)
(???) As regards format, please note that this is a MARKDOWN formatted
(???) resource.
(???) I will not consider re-flowing the text in any other format, unless the
(???) Markdown format continues to be authoritative. First of all, RFCs are
(???) in
(???) modified Markdown and I have already started the RFC process with the
(???) international people. Second, putting it in LaTeX or any other markup
(???) language means that it will be EVEN harder to read for those of us who
(???) are
(???) vintage computing freaks (not me, although I do use one of the later
(???) VT100
(???) series for some things).
(???) On Dec 31, 2014 6:09 AM, "Ciprian Dorin Craciun"
(???) <ciprian.craciun@gmail.com>
(???) wrote:
(???)
(???) > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Nick Matavka
(???) > <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) > > I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I
(???) > re-submit
(???) > > the same link. Please edit it and comment to the best of your
(???) ability.
(???) > I
(???) > > hope to actually submit this in the near future.
(???) > >
(???) > > http://piratepad.net/gopher
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > I've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (and
(???) > proposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.
(???) > They can be found at the following link:
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > (Disclaimer: I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during
(???) the
(???) > "golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, neither do
(???) > I actively run a Gopher server. However I did read Gopher's history,
(???) > and early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.
(???) > Moreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,
(???) > and I do have a computer-science / research background.)
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > Regarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to
(???) > follow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version. Perhaps the
(???) > document can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then
(???) > exported to HTML for readability. Moreover the sections (and / or
(???) > actual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them
(???) > while commenting (without modifying the actual text). (Obviously
(???) when
(???) > removing an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)
(???) >
(???) > Regarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like Git
(???) > or Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to
(???) > proper diffs, history, and especially merges. Moreover using
(???) > something like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing and
(???) > automatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.
(???) >
(???) > (I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to
(???) > RestructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and
(???) > preparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the
(???) > document as HTML.)
(???) >
(???) > Hope it helps,
(???) > Ciprian.
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(???) html><head></head><body>Markdown for the win! See, my idea of preferring Markdown in my Gopher client update was a perfect choice. Considering RFCs are also written in a similar syntax. Markdown is just so easy to read regardless if it's rendered as rich text or plain text. I actually never knew RFC documents were markdown compatible. Learn something new everyday.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On December 31, 2014 10:43:40 AM MST, Nick Matavka <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) p dir="ltr">I took a look at your suggestions and I am putting them under due consideration, as regards content. This is less about bringing Gopher up to date than it is about bringing the spec up to current practice. Essentially, we are writing in Latin but speaking in French; the RFC is only meant to translate our original document to French.</p>
(???) p dir="ltr">As regards format, please note that this is a MARKDOWN formatted resource. I will not consider re-flowing the text in any other format, unless the Markdown format continues to be authoritative. First of all, RFCs are in modified Markdown and I have already started the RFC process with the international people. Second, putting it in LaTeX or any other markup language means that it will be EVEN harder to read for those of us who are vintage computing freaks (not me, although I do use one of the later VT100 series for some things).</p>
(???) div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 31, 2014 6:09 AM, "Ciprian Dorin Craciun" <<a href="mailto:ciprian.craciun@gmail.com">ciprian.craciun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Nick Matavka<br />
(???) lt;<a href="mailto:n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com">n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br />
(???) gt; I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I re-submit<br />
(???) gt; the same link. Please edit it and comment to the best of your ability. I<br />
(???) gt; hope to actually submit this in the near future.<br />
(???) gt;<br />
(???) gt; <a href="http://piratepad.net/gopher" target="_blank">http://piratepad.net/gopher</a><br />
(???) br />
(???) br />
(IMG) 've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (and<br />
(PNG) roposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.<br />
(TN3) hey can be found at the following link:<br />
(???) br />
(???) Â <a href="http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal" target="_blank">http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal</a><br />
(???) br />
(???) br />
(???) Disclaimer:Â I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during the<br />
(???) quot;golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, neither do<br />
(IMG) actively run a Gopher server. However I did read Gopher's history,<br />
(???) nd early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.<br />
(???) oreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,<br />
(???) nd I do have a computer-science / research background.)<br />
(???) br />
(???) br />
(???) egarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to<br />
(???) ollow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version. Perhaps the<br />
(DOC) ocument can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then<br />
(???) xported to HTML for readability. Moreover the sections (and / or<br />
(???) ctual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them<br />
(???) hile commenting (without modifying the actual text). (Obviously when<br />
(???) emoving an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)<br />
(???) br />
(???) egarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like Git<br />
(???) r Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to<br />
(PNG) roper diffs, history, and especially merges. Moreover using<br />
(SND) omething like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing and<br />
(???) utomatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.<br />
(???) br />
(???) I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to<br />
(???) estructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and<br />
(PNG) reparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the<br />
(DOC) ocument as HTML.)<br />
(???) br />
(???) ope it helps,<br />
(???) iprian.<br />
(???) br />
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(???) n 2015-01-01 16:08, Kevin Veroneau wrote:
(???) On December 31, 2014 10:43:40 AM MST, Nick Matavka <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) >As regards format, please note that this is a MARKDOWN formatted
(???) >resource.
(???) >I will not consider re-flowing the text in any other format, unless
(???) >the Markdown format continues to be authoritative. First of all,
(???) >RFCs are in modified Markdown and I have already started the RFC
(???) >process with the international people.
(???) ...]
(???)
(???) Markdown for the win! See, my idea of preferring Markdown in my
(???) Gopher client update was a perfect choice. Considering RFCs are also
(???) written in a similar syntax. Markdown is just so easy to read
(???) regardless if it's rendered as rich text or plain text. I actually
(???) never knew RFC documents were markdown compatible. Learn something
(???) new everyday.
(IMG) 'd say it's most likely the other way around, Markdown is (similar to)
(???) FC syntax.
(???) s far as I know, RFCs are written in plain text ASCII (or perhaps *roff
s/was used in some stage). Markdown is just close to plain text, but I
(DOC) on't think it makes sense to label things that have existed since 1969
(???) s Markdown (which appeared in 2004, according to wikipedia).
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(???) aybe the RFC format was the "inspiration" for the current Markdown syntax. Perhaps the original reason Markdown was conceived was to make RFC documents more "pretty". At lead that's my way of looking at it.
(???) n January 1, 2015 4:28:31 PM MST, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
(???) On 2015-01-01 16:08, Kevin Veroneau wrote:
(???) > On December 31, 2014 10:43:40 AM MST, Nick Matavka
(???) <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
(???)
(???) > >As regards format, please note that this is a MARKDOWN formatted
(???) > >resource.
(???) > >I will not consider re-flowing the text in any other format, unless
(???) > >the Markdown format continues to be authoritative. First of all,
(???) > >RFCs are in modified Markdown and I have already started the RFC
(???) > >process with the international people.
(???) [...]
(???) >
(???) > Markdown for the win! See, my idea of preferring Markdown in my
(???) > Gopher client update was a perfect choice. Considering RFCs are also
(???) > written in a similar syntax. Markdown is just so easy to read
(???) > regardless if it's rendered as rich text or plain text. I actually
(???) > never knew RFC documents were markdown compatible. Learn something
(???) > new everyday.
(???)
(???) I'd say it's most likely the other way around, Markdown is (similar to)
(???) RFC syntax.
(???)
(???) As far as I know, RFCs are written in plain text ASCII (or perhaps
(???) *roff
(???) is/was used in some stage). Markdown is just close to plain text, but I
(???) don't think it makes sense to label things that have existed since 1969
(???) as Markdown (which appeared in 2004, according to wikipedia).
(???)
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(???) html><head></head><body>Maybe the RFC format was the "inspiration" for the current Markdown syntax. Perhaps the original reason Markdown was conceived was to make RFC documents more "pretty". At lead that's my way of looking at it.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On January 1, 2015 4:28:31 PM MST, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) pre class="k9mail">On 2015-01-01 16:08, Kevin Veroneau wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On December 31, 2014 10:43:40 AM MST, Nick Matavka <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:<br /></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">As regards format, please note that this is a MARKDOWN formatted<br />resource.<br />I will not consider re-flowing the text in any other format, unless<br />the Markdown format continues to be authoritative. First of all,<br />RFCs are in modified Markdown and I have already started the RFC<br />process with the international people.<br /></blockquote></blockquote>[...]<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8
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(???) order-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /> Markdown for the win! See, my idea of preferring Markdown in my<br /> Gopher client update was a perfect choice. Considering RFCs are also<br /> written in a similar syntax. Markdown is just so easy to read<br /> regardless if it's rendered as rich text or plain text. I actually<br /> never knew RFC documents were markdown compatible. Learn something<br /> new everyday.<br /></blockquote><br />I'd say it's most likely the other way around, Markdown is (similar to)<br />RFC syntax.<br /><br />As far as I know, RFCs are written in plain text ASCII (or perhaps *roff<br />is/was used in some stage). Markdown is just close to plain text, but I<br />don't think it makes sense to label things that have existed since 1969<br />as Markdown (which appeared in 2004, according to wikipedia).<br /></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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(???) Doesn't floodgap list how many active servers are currently in circulation?
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(???) n 2015-01-01 16:32, Kevin Veroneau wrote:
(???) On January 1, 2015 4:28:31 PM MST, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
(???) >On 2015-01-01 16:08, Kevin Veroneau wrote:
(???) >> On December 31, 2014 10:43:40 AM MST, Nick Matavka
(???) ><n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> >As regards format, please note that this is a MARKDOWN formatted
(???) >> >resource.
(???) >> >I will not consider re-flowing the text in any other format, unless
(???) >> >the Markdown format continues to be authoritative. First of all,
(???) >> >RFCs are in modified Markdown and I have already started the RFC
(???) >> >process with the international people.
(???) >[...]
(???) >>
(???) >> Markdown for the win! See, my idea of preferring Markdown in my
(???) >> Gopher client update was a perfect choice. Considering RFCs are also
(???) >> written in a similar syntax. Markdown is just so easy to read
(???) >> regardless if it's rendered as rich text or plain text. I actually
(???) >> never knew RFC documents were markdown compatible. Learn something
(???) >> new everyday.
(???) >
(???) >I'd say it's most likely the other way around, Markdown is (similar to)
(???) >RFC syntax.
(???) >
(???) >As far as I know, RFCs are written in plain text ASCII (or perhaps
(???) >*roff
(???) >is/was used in some stage). Markdown is just close to plain text, but I
(???) >don't think it makes sense to label things that have existed since 1969
(???) >as Markdown (which appeared in 2004, according to wikipedia).
(???)
(???) Maybe the RFC format was the "inspiration" for the current Markdown
(???) syntax. Perhaps the original reason Markdown was conceived was to
(???) make RFC documents more "pretty". At lead that's my way of looking at
(???) it.
(???) ren't RFCs pretty much plain text? What is in the RFC format that makes
t "Markdown"?
(???) -
(???) uno Silva (aka njsg)
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(???) n 01/02/2015 12:34 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) The database contains the number of servers that were found. While the list
(???) is periodically pruned, I would consider that number an overestimate at any
(???) given time.
(TN3) hat was also my understanding. GopherMole, on the other hand, displays
(???) nly servers that have been successfully polled in recent days.
(???) loodgap is part of my database, so any (working) server known by
(???) loodgap is also known by me, since floodgap presents the list of
(SND) ervers in the form of links in gopher menus.
(???) ateusz
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(???) i all,
(???) ere is my personal opinion about this (and it's likely yo be my last
(???) essage on this topic).
(IMG) took a quick glance at the piratepad.net/gopher document, and I
(HTM) onestly think that it is a) unnecessary and b) quite messy.
(???) ) unnecessary - because I believe that the gopher protocol is very fine
(???) s it is, and needs no 'improvements'. It's cool, mostly because it's
(DOC) ead simple. Would it become any more convoluted, I'd loose interest in
t. There is maybe one or two things that could be nice to have in
(GIF) opher, but these doesn't require any protocol change (example: 'by
(DOC) efault' usage of UTF-8 across the gopherspace).
(???) ) quite messy - the document mixes protocol aspects (gopher+ like
(SND) tuff), with client-side pseudo algorithms, with suggestions about how a
(SND) erver should be built, and probably other stuff as well (I stopped
(???) eading at half of the document). An RFC shall describe one thing, and
(DOC) o it precisely. The document on piratepad.net looks more like a bag of
(???) ishes. Also, it describes the usage of some xml-like tags in gopher
(???) title), which by itself, is a heresy to me. But anyway, even if said
(DOC) ocument had any resemblance to a serious RFC, I doubt it would be worth
(???) sing IETF's valuable time on this.
(TN3) o sum up: I think that gopher is mostly fine as it is in it's current
(???) RFC 1436) state, with the exception of a few very minor details, that
(IMG) MO do not call for an RFC update anyway. I do not say that the said
(DOC) ocument is worthless - it does address a few good points, but I'd
(???) etter see this incorporated into an updated gopher FAQ, rather than an
(???) ctual RFC.
(???) ateusz
(???) n 12/30/2014 06:12 PM, Nick Matavka wrote:
(???) Hello, world!
(???)
(???) I think it might soon be time for submitting the updated Gopher RFC. In
(???) my belief, it should be within a month at most, as we have a very good
(???) document authored and edited by some of this mailing list's best minds
(???) (i.e. Kim Holviala, Matjaz Viste, Dr Kaiser, etc).
(???)
(???) But before the RFC is submitted, there are some organisational quirks
(???) that need to be fulfilled. I suppose I *could* submit the draft RFC
(???) (available at http://piratepad.net/gopher) as an independent document,
(???) but that would only be for informational purposes, rather than putting
(???) it on the standards track.
(???)
(???) I believe that what we currently have is a standard in a formative
(???) stage. This is not simply information, or quirky RFC engineering
(???) humour. This is the new standard for Next-Generation Gopher (call it
(???) GopherNG if you like, or Gopher++, I still haven't figured out a decent
(???) name for it). If I send this as an independent submission and credit
(???) everyone, it'll never be anything other than simple "information".
(???)
(???) The better way forward, at least in my view, is to submit it through the
(???) usual channels. This involves more work, some of which I concede that I
(???) am not familiar with. For instance, there will need to be a working
(???) group; I propose that this mailing list become one. but it needs a
(???) charter and it needs to be listed on the IETF's page, which is the part
(???) of the job I'm ignorant of (can't find the link to submit a working
(???) group for instance).
(???)
(???) So I guess you can take this as a request for help. Has anyone ever
(???) been through the IETF's Kafka-esque methods of working yet? Can you
(???) elucidate them for me? Should this simply be informational maybe?
(???)
(???) Cordially yours,
(???) N. Edward Matavka
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(???) n Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 08:17:27AM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) Floodgap is part of my database, so any (working) server known by
(???) floodgap is also known by me, since floodgap presents the list of
(???) servers in the form of links in gopher menus.
(???) ou might be interested in cross-referencing with this resource as well:
(GIF) opher://gopher.docfile.org/1/world/monitoring/uptime
(???) --Brian
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(???) i Brian,
(TN3) hanks for the hint, but I see that the url you provided is already in
(???) y db, so my spider must have learned it somehow (as well as all the
(SND) ervers that are listed there).
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/02/2015 07:18 PM, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 08:17:27AM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) > Floodgap is part of my database, so any (working) server known by
(???) > floodgap is also known by me, since floodgap presents the list of
(???) > servers in the form of links in gopher menus.
(???)
(???) You might be interested in cross-referencing with this resource as well:
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.docfile.org/1/world/monitoring/uptime
(???)
(???) --Brian
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Regarding "title" (and other special) informational items
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(???) n Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) [...]
(???) document on piratepad.net looks more like a bag of wishes. Also, it
(???) describes the usage of some xml-like tags in gopher (title), which by
(???) itself, is a heresy to me. [...]
(???) lthough I tend to agree with Mateusz regarding the simplicity appeal
(???) f the Gopher protocol (at times perhaps too simple), and the fact
(???) hat "bolting" new features on-top of the existing protocol (like the
(???) itle information items) detracts from this simplicity towards
(???) onvoluted specifications and incompatible implementations.
(???) owever the title information items, which replace the empty selector
(???) ith the "TITLE" selector, made me think a little about how structured
(???) opher menus actually are right now...
(???) irst of all, is there any Gopher client which actually implements
(???) his title information item feature? Because I've seen it documented
t that RFC proposal I thought so, but Overbite doesn't seem to
mplement it (although it only took one line of JavaScript to make it
(SND) o). (BTW `lynx` doesn't even implement `URL:...` selectors...)
(???) ack to the topic of how structured the Gopher menus are, currently
(???) he Gopher menus are technically just a flat list of items with no
(DOC) ifferentiation between the various items (except their type).
(???) owever if we look at a few Gopher sites, like the ones below
(???) randomly picked from a list I've once seen), we can easily observe
(???) hat the editors do impose a certain structure inside the menus
(???) especially the "root" menu).
(???) gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/
(???) gopher://pongonova.org/
(???) gopher://jgw.mdns.org/
(???) gopher://gopherpedia.com/
(???) ost of the editors seem to have split the menu into multiple
(SND) ections, where the first one serves as a title and foreword for the
(???) ntire menu (usually on the root menu, but absent on lower levels);
(???) ollowed by a few sections featuring a section title and then either
(???) ext or links belonging to that section; and sometimes ending with a
(???) ooter. The way to "mark" these sections varies, but is clearly
(???) isible from the information items where such a section starts and
(???) here it ends.
(???) owever as stated there is currently no technical solution to convey
(???) his organization.
(TN3) herefore it makes me wonder if perhaps a first incremental
(???) nhancement (without touching the existing protocol) to the Gopher
(???) cosystem wouldn't be to improve the structuredness of these Gopher
(???) enus? This would allow the Gopher clients to better present this
nformation to the user, by perhaps creating a table of contents
(???) maybe in a sidebar), or (in case of mobile devices) collapsing the
(SND) ections (or showing only the first few items), etc.
(???) uch a change would not affect in any way the Gopher protocol (which
n my opinion is just enough to be useful), nor would it impact
(???) xisting clients or servers. It only adds meta-data in the form of
nformational items, which already informally exist on most Gopher
(SND) ites.
(???) or example I would suggest something like described below, where the
(SND) elector of an informational item would be:
(???) `title` item (one per menu), whose text would constitute the title
(???) f the menu; (like in the current proposal RFC, except only one;)
(???) `section-begin` and `section-end` items, which like the `title` item
(???) ould mark the beginning of a section whose title is the text of the
(???) section-begin` item; (I'm not certain if nesting should be allowed;)
(???) (although the `section-end` would make it seem much to close to XML,
(???) his is not the case, and it would be useful to implement collapsing,
(???) hile keeping visible some other information not part of the section;)
(???) `meta` items, which could provide additional information about the
(???) urrent menu, like for example the date the menu was last updated, the
(???) uthors, etc.; the text of these items should follow the RFC822
(HTM) eader convention, i.e. `Author: Ciprian Craciun`;
(???) `adornment` items, which are currently used by the Gopher editors to
(???) ark section begins, ends, blank-lines, etc.; these informational
tems don't actually provide any useful information, therefore a type
(???) f client we are speaking about here could just skip displaying;
(???) perhaps also `heading-begin`, `heading-end`, `footer-begin` and
(???) footer-end`, which although provide information, most of the times is
dentical to all menus belonging to the same site, therefore they
(???) ould be always collapsed;
(TN3) o my defence I don't propose to transform Gopher into a crippled
(HTM) yper-text solution, I'm only raising a flag about existing practice
(???) nd how we can improve it beyond the current state and standardize it.
(???) o, how about these (heresies)? :D
(???) iprian.
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(???) i Mateusz,
(IMG) nteresting view you have :)
(IMG) must admit I do kind of feel the same way.
(???) Bearing in mind that I'm quite new!)
(???) y 2c worth would be that:
(???) ) We use UTF-8 across all of Gopherspace
(???) nd
(???) ) We actually simplify the protocol and even remove some item types that
(???) ake little to no sense. (e.g: Just one image itemtype)
(IMG) do agree however that the RFC *should* be about the protocol and make no
(SND) uggestions about what implementations should and shouldn't do.
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) n Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) Hi all,
(???)
(???) Here is my personal opinion about this (and it's likely yo be my last
(???) message on this topic).
(???) I took a quick glance at the piratepad.net/gopher document, and I
(???) honestly think that it is a) unnecessary and b) quite messy.
(???)
(???) a) unnecessary - because I believe that the gopher protocol is very fine
(???) as it is, and needs no 'improvements'. It's cool, mostly because it's dead
(???) simple. Would it become any more convoluted, I'd loose interest in it.
(???) There is maybe one or two things that could be nice to have in gopher, but
(???) these doesn't require any protocol change (example: 'by default' usage of
(???) UTF-8 across the gopherspace).
(???)
(???) b) quite messy - the document mixes protocol aspects (gopher+ like stuff),
(???) with client-side pseudo algorithms, with suggestions about how a server
(???) should be built, and probably other stuff as well (I stopped reading at
(???) half of the document). An RFC shall describe one thing, and do it
(???) precisely. The document on piratepad.net looks more like a bag of wishes.
(???) Also, it describes the usage of some xml-like tags in gopher (title), which
(???) by itself, is a heresy to me. But anyway, even if said document had any
(???) resemblance to a serious RFC, I doubt it would be worth using IETF's
(???) valuable time on this.
(???)
(???) To sum up: I think that gopher is mostly fine as it is in it's current
(???) (RFC 1436) state, with the exception of a few very minor details, that IMO
(???) do not call for an RFC update anyway. I do not say that the said document
(???) is worthless - it does address a few good points, but I'd better see this
(???) incorporated into an updated gopher FAQ, rather than an actual RFC.
(???)
(???) Mateusz
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) On 12/30/2014 06:12 PM, Nick Matavka wrote:
(???)
(???) > Hello, world!
(???) >
(???) > I think it might soon be time for submitting the updated Gopher RFC. In
(???) > my belief, it should be within a month at most, as we have a very good
(???) > document authored and edited by some of this mailing list's best minds
(???) > (i.e. Kim Holviala, Matjaz Viste, Dr Kaiser, etc).
(???) >
(???) > But before the RFC is submitted, there are some organisational quirks
(???) > that need to be fulfilled. I suppose I *could* submit the draft RFC
(???) > (available at http://piratepad.net/gopher) as an independent document,
(???) > but that would only be for informational purposes, rather than putting
(???) > it on the standards track.
(???) >
(???) > I believe that what we currently have is a standard in a formative
(???) > stage. This is not simply information, or quirky RFC engineering
(???) > humour. This is the new standard for Next-Generation Gopher (call it
(???) > GopherNG if you like, or Gopher++, I still haven't figured out a decent
(???) > name for it). If I send this as an independent submission and credit
(???) > everyone, it'll never be anything other than simple "information".
(???) >
(???) > The better way forward, at least in my view, is to submit it through the
(???) > usual channels. This involves more work, some of which I concede that I
(???) > am not familiar with. For instance, there will need to be a working
(???) > group; I propose that this mailing list become one. but it needs a
(???) > charter and it needs to be listed on the IETF's page, which is the part
(???) > of the job I'm ignorant of (can't find the link to submit a working
(???) > group for instance).
(???) >
(???) > So I guess you can take this as a request for help. Has anyone ever
(???) > been through the IETF's Kafka-esque methods of working yet? Can you
(???) > elucidate them for me? Should this simply be informational maybe?
(???) >
(???) > Cordially yours,
(???) > N. Edward Matavka
(???) >
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(???) ve :)</div><div><br></div><div>I must admit I do kind of feel the same way=
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(???) ><div>I do agree however that the RFC *should* be about the protocol and m=
(???) ke no suggestions about what implementations should and shouldn't do.<=
(???) div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gm=
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(SND) pan><div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:=
(???) gb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.=
(SND) hortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;f=
(???) nt-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.n=
(???) t.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Mateusz Vist=
(???) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blan=
(???) ">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
(???) e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
(???) Hi all,<br>
(???) br>
(???) ere is my personal opinion about this (and it's likely yo be my last m=
(???) ssage on this topic).<br>
(IMG) took a quick glance at the <a href=3D"http://piratepad.net/gopher" target=
(???) 3D"_blank">piratepad.net/gopher</a> document, and I honestly think that it=
(???) is a) unnecessary and b) quite messy.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ) unnecessary - because I believe that the gopher protocol is very fine as=
(???) it is, and needs no 'improvements'. It's cool, mostly because =
t's dead simple. Would it become any more convoluted, I'd loose in=
(???) erest in it. There is maybe one or two things that could be nice to have i=
(???) gopher, but these doesn't require any protocol change (example: '=
(???) y default' usage of UTF-8 across the gopherspace).<br>
(???) br>
(???) ) quite messy - the document mixes protocol aspects (gopher+ like stuff), =
(???) ith client-side pseudo algorithms, with suggestions about how a server sho=
(???) ld be built, and probably other stuff as well (I stopped reading at half o=
(???) the document). An RFC shall describe one thing, and do it precisely. The =
(DOC) ocument on <a href=3D"http://piratepad.net" target=3D"_blank">piratepad.ne=
(???) </a> looks more like a bag of wishes. Also, it describes the usage of some=
(???) xml-like tags in gopher (title), which by itself, is a heresy to me. But a=
(???) yway, even if said document had any resemblance to a serious RFC, I doubt =
t would be worth using IETF's valuable time on this.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) o sum up: I think that gopher is mostly fine as it is in it's current =
(???) RFC 1436) state, with the exception of a few very minor details, that IMO =
(DOC) o not call for an RFC update anyway. I do not say that the said document i=
(SND) worthless - it does address a few good points, but I'd better see thi=
(SND) incorporated into an updated gopher FAQ, rather than an actual RFC.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ateusz<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) n 12/30/2014 06:12 PM, Nick Matavka wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) ello, world!<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) think it might soon be time for submitting the updated Gopher RFC.=C2=A0 =
(IMG) n<br>
(???) y belief, it should be within a month at most, as we have a very good<br>
(DOC) ocument authored and edited by some of this mailing list's best minds<=
(???) r>
(???) i.e. Kim Holviala, Matjaz Viste, Dr Kaiser, etc).<br>
(???) br>
(???) ut before the RFC is submitted, there are some organisational quirks<br>
(???) hat need to be fulfilled.=C2=A0 I suppose I *could* submit the draft RFC<b=
(???) >
(???) available at <a href=3D"http://piratepad.net/gopher" target=3D"_blank">htt=
(PNG) ://piratepad.net/gopher</a>) as an independent document,<br>
(???) ut that would only be for informational purposes, rather than putting<br>
t on the standards track.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) believe that what we currently have is a standard in a formative<br>
(SND) tage.=C2=A0 This is not simply information, or quirky RFC engineering<br>
(HTM) umour.=C2=A0 This is the new standard for Next-Generation Gopher (call it<=
(???) r>
(???) opherNG if you like, or Gopher++, I still haven't figured out a decent=
(???) br>
(???) ame for it).=C2=A0 If I send this as an independent submission and credit<=
(???) r>
(???) veryone, it'll never be anything other than simple "information&q=
(???) ot;.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he better way forward, at least in my view, is to submit it through the<br=
(???)
(???) sual channels.=C2=A0 This involves more work, some of which I concede that=
(???) I<br>
(???) m not familiar with.=C2=A0 For instance, there will need to be a working<b=
(???) >
(GIF) roup; I propose that this mailing list become one. but it needs a<br>
(???) harter and it needs to be listed on the IETF's page, which is the part=
(???) br>
(???) f the job I'm ignorant of (can't find the link to submit a working=
(???) br>
(GIF) roup for instance).<br>
(???) br>
(???) o I guess you can take this as a request for help.=C2=A0 Has anyone ever<b=
(???) >
(???) een through the IETF's Kafka-esque methods of working yet?=C2=A0 Can y=
(???) u<br>
(???) lucidate them for me?=C2=A0 Should this simply be informational maybe?<br>
(???) br>
(???) ordially yours,<br>
(???) . Edward Matavka<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br></div></div>
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(???) n 2015-01-03 18:15, James Mills wrote:
(???) My 2c worth would be that:
(???)
(???) a) We use UTF-8 across all of Gopherspace
(???)
(???) and
(???)
(???) b) We actually simplify the protocol and even remove some item types that
(???) make little to no sense. (e.g: Just one image itemtype)
(???) ...]
(IMG) 'd say that
(???) ) We have no way to convert all the gopherspace to utf8, assuming utf8
n some clients will probably break compatibility with older gopherholes
(???) r older content. Perhaps some clients could implement some kind of
(???) ontent sniffing to tell utf8 apart from ISO8859-*. But, as utf8 is
(???) uite new compared to gopher, I'm not sure it is even a good idea to use
(???) tf8 (although I do use it myself): wouldn't it break older clients as
(???) ell?
(???) ) Same as above, I don't think it's a good idea to force people to
(???) pgrade their gopherholes so that their content is still accessible
(???) sing newer clients.
(???) ust one image itemtype makes no sense, as there are different image
(???) ormats.
(???) -
(???) uno Silva (aka njsg)
(???) elsinki, Finland
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(???) n 01/03/2015 10:14 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???) a) We have no way to convert all the gopherspace to utf8, assuming utf8
(???) in some clients will probably break compatibility with older gopherholes
(TN3) hat's why I suggested a CAPS capability for declaring server's encoding
(???) few days ago. There is already a good number of gopherholes using
(???) tf8, so it's not really something 'new', but unfortunately gopher
(???) lients don't have much chance to identify the encoding used by a server
(???) other than guessing).
(???) Just one image itemtype makes no sense, as there are different image
(???) formats.
(TN3) here are plenty of sound formats, too, and still, only one gopher type
(???) 's'). I see the gopher types as a way of saying more or less what kind
(???) f media to expect (text, document, image, video....), not necessarily
(???) n indication of the exact file format. But anyway, we are talking here
(???) bout two itemtypes for images ('g' and 'I'), I don't really think it's
(???) orth the trouble changing that. By now, everyone got used to this already.
(???) ateusz
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] GopherMole - a gopher media crawler
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(IMG) nteresting and very nice :0
(???) ou don't have my server (but it's new):
(GIF) opher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/
(???) ut I suspect you won't find much!
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) Hello list,
(???)
(???) Here's a quick update on GopherMole - I worked on it since my last post,
(???) and made a few improvements:
(???)
(???) - a 'statistics' page, where one can see some interesting numbers
(???) - support for PDF documents (although sadly, not many PDF files in the
(???) gopherspace contain proper metadata to identify them)
(???) - random searches (as in "give me 10 random mp3 files")
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole/
(???)
(???) Interesting fact: my spider arrived to the end of the visible gopherspace,
(???) and found out there are 43'575 menus out there, spread over 134 servers.
(???) These are definitely not very high numbers.
(???)
(???) I'm curious to know whether the spider missed any servers - the full list
(???) is available on gophermole (in the "statistics" menu). If you are a gopher
(???) server owner, and see your server is not listed, I'd be happy to know about
(???) it!
(???)
(???) cheers,
(???) Mateusz
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) On 12/30/2014 11:13 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???)
(???) > Hi all,
(???) >
(???) > Here I present GopherMole.
(???) >
(???) > GopherMole is a project I worked on since some time now, and today is
(???) > the day when it's ready enough to be put public. It is basically a
(???) > gopher crawler, but focused on media files, and indexing the actual
(???) > (meta) content of files, not their menu descriptions.
(???) >
(???) > It's far from being as polished as I'd like it to be, I will improve it
(???) > with time. For now, it indexes MP3, OGG and EPUB files. Other formats
(???) > will come later.
(???) >
(???) > Finally, here is the URL where you can take GopherMole for a test ride:
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole
(???) >
(???) > cheers,
(???) > Mateusz
(???) >
(???)
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting and very nice :0<div><br></div><div>You don=
(BIN) ;t have my server (but it's new):</div><div><br></div><div>gopher://<a=
(???) href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/">daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/</a><=
(???) div><div><br></div><div>But I suspect you won't find much!</div><div><=
(???) r></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
(???) br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border=
(???) collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D=
(???) arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"aria=
(???) , sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=
(???) A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,2=
(TXT) 4)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><=
(SND) pan style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136=
(???) 136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircui=
(???) .net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13=
(PNG) x;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><b=
(???) ></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Mateusz Vist=
(???) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blan=
(???) ">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
(???) e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
(???) Hello list,<br>
(???) br>
(???) ere's a quick update on GopherMole - I worked on it since my last post=
(???) and made a few improvements:<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0- a 'statistics' page, where one can see some interesting num=
(???) ers<br>
(???) C2=A0- support for PDF documents (although sadly, not many PDF files in th=
(???) gopherspace contain proper metadata to identify them)<br>
(???) C2=A0- random searches (as in "give me 10 random mp3 files")<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 gopher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole/" target=3D"=
(???) blank">gopher.viste.fr/1/<u></u>gophermole/</a><br>
(???) br>
(IMG) nteresting fact: my spider arrived to the end of the visible gopherspace, =
(???) nd found out there are 43'575 menus out there, spread over 134 servers=
(???) These are definitely not very high numbers.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) 'm curious to know whether the spider missed any servers - the full li=
(SND) t is available on gophermole (in the "statistics" menu). If you =
(???) re a gopher server owner, and see your server is not listed, I'd be ha=
(PNG) py to know about it!<br>
(???) br>
(???) heers,<br>
(???) ateusz<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) n 12/30/2014 11:13 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) i all,<br>
(???) br>
(???) ere I present GopherMole.<br>
(???) br>
(???) opherMole is a project I worked on since some time now, and today is<br>
(???) he day when it's ready enough to be put public. It is basically a<br>
(GIF) opher crawler, but focused on media files, and indexing the actual<br>
(???) meta) content of files, not their menu descriptions.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) t's far from being as polished as I'd like it to be, I will improv=
(???) it<br>
(???) ith time. For now, it indexes MP3, OGG and EPUB files. Other formats<br>
(???) ill come later.<br>
(???) br>
(???) inally, here is the URL where you can take GopherMole for a test ride:<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole" target=3D"_blank">=
(GIF) opher.viste.fr/1/<u></u>gophermole</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) heers,<br>
(???) ateusz<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br>
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Brian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net> wrote:
(???) gopher://gopher.docfile.org/1/world/monitoring/uptime
(???)
(IMG) 've found this resource grossly inaccurate :/
(???) ot even sure it's actively maintained?
(IMG) t seems it lsits servers with high uptimes that
(???) ctually are not contactable :/
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Brian Koontz <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:brian@pongonova.net" target=3D"_blank">brian@pongonova.net</a>&g=
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(???) .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":1ih" class=
(???) 3D"a3s" style=3D"overflow:hidden">gopher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.docfil=
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(???) d/monitoring/uptime</a><div class=3D"yj6qo ajU"><div id=3D":1js" class=3D"=
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(???) this resource grossly inaccurate :/</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></=
(DOC) iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Not even sure it's actively maintained?<=
(???) div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">It see=
(???) s it lsits servers with high uptimes that</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
(???) ctually are not contactable :/</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><=
(DOC) iv class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">James<br><=
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
(???) a) We have no way to convert all the gopherspace to utf8, assuming utf8
(???) in some clients will probably break compatibility with older gopherholes
(???) or older content. Perhaps some clients could implement some kind of
(???) content sniffing to tell utf8 apart from ISO8859-*. But, as utf8 is
(???) quite new compared to gopher, I'm not sure it is even a good idea to use
(???) utf8 (although I do use it myself): wouldn't it break older clients as
(???) well?
(???)
(???) y only retort to this is that UTF-8
(DOC) rgrades gracefully to ISO-8859-1
(???) heers
(???) ames
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Nuno Silva <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D=
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(???) r older content. Perhaps some clients could implement some kind of<br>
(???) ontent sniffing to tell utf8 apart from ISO8859-*. But, as utf8 is<br>
(???) uite new compared to gopher, I'm not sure it is even a good idea to us=
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) On 01/03/2015 10:14 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???)
(???) > a) We have no way to convert all the gopherspace to utf8, assuming utf8
(???) > in some clients will probably break compatibility with older gopherholes
(???) >
(???)
(???) That's why I suggested a CAPS capability for declaring server's encoding a
(???) few days ago. There is already a good number of gopherholes using utf8, so
(???) it's not really something 'new', but unfortunately gopher clients don't
(???) have much chance to identify the encoding used by a server (other than
(???) guessing).
(IMG) agree. If we can't/shouldn't change existing Gopher servers and clients
(???) e *should* at least adopt a standard form in CAPS so existing clients
(???) optiona)
(???) nd newer clients can take advantage of this.
(???) or instance my Gopher server (cgod) by default outputs UTF-8.
(???)
(???)
(???) Just one image itemtype makes no sense, as there are different image
(???) > formats.
(???) >
(???)
(???) There are plenty of sound formats, too, and still, only one gopher type
(???) ('s'). I see the gopher types as a way of saying more or less what kind of
(???) media to expect (text, document, image, video....), not necessarily an
(???) indication of the exact file format. But anyway, we are talking here about
(???) two itemtypes for images ('g' and 'I'), I don't really think it's worth the
(???) trouble changing that. By now, everyone got used to this already.
(IMG) also agree. IHMO a "client" doesn't necessarily "render" the
(???) ontent/resouce.
(???) sually some external program does. e.g: "open" on OS X.
(???) r "display" (for images) on *NIX.
(???) y point is that one can configure a Gopher client to open
(???) any* image with "display" and it doesn't matter type of
mage that is.
(???) heers
(???) ames
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
(???) t, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Mateusz Viste <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
(???) ailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blank">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></span> =
(???) rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
(???) r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On 01/03/2015 10:=
(DIR) 4 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) ) We have no way to convert all the gopherspace to utf8, assuming utf8<br>
n some clients will probably break compatibility with older gopherholes<br=
(???)
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br></span>
(TN3) hat's why I suggested a CAPS capability for declaring server's enc=
(???) ding a few days ago. There is already a good number of gopherholes using u=
(???) f8, so it's not really something 'new', but unfortunately goph=
(???) r clients don't have much chance to identify the encoding used by a se=
(???) ver (other than guessing).</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree. If we =
(???) an't/shouldn't change existing Gopher servers and clients</div><di=
(???) >we *should* at least adopt a standard form in CAPS so existing clients (o=
(PNG) tiona)</div><div>and newer clients can take advantage of this.</div><div><=
(???) r></div><div>For instance my Gopher server (cgod) by default outputs UTF-8=
(???) </div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
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(???) br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) ust one image itemtype makes no sense, as there are different image<br>
(???) ormats.<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br></span>
(TN3) here are plenty of sound formats, too, and still, only one gopher type (&#=
(ERR) 9;s'). I see the gopher types as a way of saying more or less what kin=
(DOC) of media to expect (text, document, image, video....), not necessarily an=
(???) indication of the exact file format. But anyway, we are talking here about=
(???) two itemtypes for images ('g' and 'I'), I don't really=
(???) think it's worth the trouble changing that. By now, everyone got used =
(???) o this already.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I also agree. IHMO a "=
(???) client" doesn't necessarily "render" the content/resouc=
(???) .</div><div>Usually some external program does. e.g: "open" on O=
(???) X.</div><div>or "display" (for images) on *NIX.</div><div><br><=
(???) div><div>My point is that one can configure a Gopher client to open</div><=
(DOC) iv>*any* image with "display" and it doesn't matter type of<=
(???) div><div>image that is.</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</d=
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(???) n 01/03/2015 10:40 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???) You don't have my server (but it's new):
(???) gopher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/ <http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/>
(TN3) hanks, I've added it right now to the database. Will be spidered very
(SND) oon. That brings us to a gopherspace of 137 active servers today.
(???) > My only retort to this is that UTF-8
(???) > drgrades gracefully to ISO-8859-1
(???) uite untrue. UTF-8 doesn't 'degrade' to anything, unless only low-ascii
(???) haracters are used. Anything else gets encoded into 2,3 or 4 bytes-long
(???) ode points, and these are guaranteed to be misrendered by any client
(???) naware of UTF-8.
(???) ateusz
(???) On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr
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(???) Hello list,
(???)
(???) Here's a quick update on GopherMole - I worked on it since my last
(???) post, and made a few improvements:
(???)
(???) - a 'statistics' page, where one can see some interesting numbers
(???) - support for PDF documents (although sadly, not many PDF files in
(???) the gopherspace contain proper metadata to identify them)
(???) - random searches (as in "give me 10 random mp3 files")
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/__gophermole/
(???) <http://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole/>
(???)
(???) Interesting fact: my spider arrived to the end of the visible
(???) gopherspace, and found out there are 43'575 menus out there, spread
(???) over 134 servers. These are definitely not very high numbers.
(???)
(???) I'm curious to know whether the spider missed any servers - the full
(???) list is available on gophermole (in the "statistics" menu). If you
(???) are a gopher server owner, and see your server is not listed, I'd be
(???) happy to know about it!
(???)
(???) cheers,
(???) Mateusz
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???)
(???) On 12/30/2014 11:13 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???)
(???) Hi all,
(???)
(???) Here I present GopherMole.
(???)
(???) GopherMole is a project I worked on since some time now, and
(???) today is
(???) the day when it's ready enough to be put public. It is basically a
(???) gopher crawler, but focused on media files, and indexing the actual
(???) (meta) content of files, not their menu descriptions.
(???)
(???) It's far from being as polished as I'd like it to be, I will
(???) improve it
(???) with time. For now, it indexes MP3, OGG and EPUB files. Other
(???) formats
(???) will come later.
(???)
(???) Finally, here is the URL where you can take GopherMole for a
(???) test ride:
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/__gophermole
(???) <http://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole>
(???)
(???) cheers,
(???) Mateusz
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) Quite untrue. UTF-8 doesn't 'degrade' to anything, unless only low-ascii
(???) characters are used. Anything else gets encoded into 2,3 or 4 bytes-long
(???) code points, and these are guaranteed to be misrendered by any client
(???) unaware of UTF-8.
(???)
(???) is-rendered correct (which is what I meant)
(???) ut the client "won't break".
(???) hat's what I meant by "degrade".
(???) I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8 encoded data to a Client
(???) hat doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will still display the content (just
(???) ot any codepoint higher than 255)?
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mateusz Viste <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blank">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
(???) order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":2ac" class=3D"a3s"=
(???) style=3D"overflow:hidden">Quite untrue. UTF-8 doesn't 'degrade'=
(???) to anything, unless only low-ascii characters are used. Anything else get=
(SND) encoded into 2,3 or 4 bytes-long code points, and these are guaranteed to=
(???) be misrendered by any client unaware of UTF-8.<br></div></blockquote></div=
(???) <br>Mis-rendered correct (which is what I meant)</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
(???) xtra">but the client "won't break".</div><div class=3D"gmail=
(???) extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">What's what I meant by &qu=
(???) t;degrade".</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
(???) ail_extra">*I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8 encoded data to=
(???) a Client that doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will still display the co=
(???) tent (just not any codepoint higher than 255)?</div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
(???) ra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
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(???) n 01/03/2015 11:27 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???) Mis-rendered correct (which is what I meant)
(???) but the client "won't break".
(TN3) hat's correct.
(???) What's what I meant by "degrade".
(???) ure, but that's hardly 'graceful'. And doesn't have anything to do with
(IMG) SO-8859-1. Which doesn't mean I am opposed to UTF-8 usage in the
(GIF) opherspace, on the contrary, I'm 100% for it. But it's important to
(???) eep in mind the exact impact it will have on legacy clients.
(???) *I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8 encoded data to a Client
(???) that doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will still display the content (just
(???) not any codepoint higher than 255)?
(???) nly low-ascii will be rendered correctly, that is anything above code
(PNG) oint 127 will be scrambled.
(???) ere's an example:
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/other/Little%2520Big%2520Adventure%2520-%2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%2520%2528french%2529.txt
(???) ame thing here (but on a polish document):
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/opowiadania%2520%2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt
(???) hen I open these documents with Overbite, all french or polish
(DOC) iacritics are broken (until I set my browser manually to UTF-8).
(???) f course there are thousands of such examples across the gopherspace.
(???) ateusz
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(???) greed on all points.
(TN3) he issue I have (regardless of CAPS or not)
s how do we tell the client a particular documen
s UTF-8 encoded?
(???) r does a Client query a Gopherd for CAPS
(???) nd if it sees "Encoding: utf-8" assumes *all*
(???) ontent it receives from *that* Gopherd is
(???) ncoded in UTF-8?
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) On 01/03/2015 11:27 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) > Mis-rendered correct (which is what I meant)
(???) > but the client "won't break".
(???) >
(???)
(???) That's correct.
(???)
(???) What's what I meant by "degrade".
(???) >
(???)
(???) Sure, but that's hardly 'graceful'. And doesn't have anything to do with
(???) ISO-8859-1. Which doesn't mean I am opposed to UTF-8 usage in the
(???) gopherspace, on the contrary, I'm 100% for it. But it's important to keep
(???) in mind the exact impact it will have on legacy clients.
(???)
(???) *I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8 encoded data to a Client
(???) > that doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will still display the content (just
(???) > not any codepoint higher than 255)?
(???) >
(???)
(???) Only low-ascii will be rendered correctly, that is anything above code
(???) point 127 will be scrambled.
(???)
(???) Here's an example:
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/other/Little%2520Big%2520Adventure%2520-%
(???) 2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%2520%2528french%2529.txt
(???)
(???) Same thing here (but on a polish document):
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/opowiadania%2520%
(???) 2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt
(???)
(???) When I open these documents with Overbite, all french or polish diacritics
(???) are broken (until I set my browser manually to UTF-8).
(???)
(???) Of course there are thousands of such examples across the gopherspace.
(???)
(???) Mateusz
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Agreed on all points.<div><br></div><div>The issue I have =
(???) regardless of CAPS or not)</div><div>is how do we tell the client a partic=
(???) lar documen</div><div>is UTF-8 encoded?</div><div><br></div><div>Or does a=
(???) Client query a Gopherd for CAPS</div><div>and if it sees "Encoding: u=
(???) f-8" assumes *all*</div><div>content it receives from *that* Gopherd =
s</div><div>encoded in UTF-8?</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Ja=
(???) es</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=
(???) 3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,=
(DIR) 36,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills /=
(???) prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=
(???) 3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@sh=
(???) rtcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@=
(SND) hortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'c=
(???) urier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</=
(SND) pan><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:&=
(???) 39;courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D=
(???) _blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Mateusz Vist=
(???) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blan=
(???) ">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
(???) e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
(???) <span class=3D"">On 01/03/2015 11:27 AM, James Mills wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) is-rendered correct (which is what I meant)<br>
(???) ut the client "won't break".<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br></span>
(TN3) hat's correct.<span class=3D""><br>
(???) br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) hat's what I meant by "degrade".<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br></span>
(???) ure, but that's hardly 'graceful'. And doesn't have anythi=
(???) g to do with ISO-8859-1. Which doesn't mean I am opposed to UTF-8 usag=
(???) in the gopherspace, on the contrary, I'm 100% for it. But it's im=
(PNG) ortant to keep in mind the exact impact it will have on legacy clients.<sp=
(???) n class=3D""><br>
(???) br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8 encoded data to a Client<br=
(???)
(???) hat doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will still display the content (jus=
(???) <br>
(???) ot any codepoint higher than 255)?<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br></span>
(???) nly low-ascii will be rendered correctly, that is anything above code poin=
(???) 127 will be scrambled.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ere's an example:<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/other/Little%2520Big%2520=
(???) dventure%2520-%2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%2520%2528french%2529.txt" target=
(???) 3D"_blank">gopher.viste.fr/0/<u></u>docs/other/Little%2520Big%<u></u>2520A=
(DOC) venture%2520-%<u></u>2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%<u></u>2520%2528french%2529=
(???) txt</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) ame thing here (but on a polish document):<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/opowiadania%2520%2528poli=
(SND) h%2529/sendbajt.txt" target=3D"_blank">gopher.viste.fr/0/<u></u>docs/opowi=
(???) dania%2520%<u></u>2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) hen I open these documents with Overbite, all french or polish diacritics =
(???) re broken (until I set my browser manually to UTF-8).<br>
(???) br>
(???) f course there are thousands of such examples across the gopherspace.<span=
(???) class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
(???) br>
(???) ateusz</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
(???) br>
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(???) n 2015-01-03 19:46, James Mills wrote:
(???) On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
(???)
(???) > a) We have no way to convert all the gopherspace to utf8, assuming utf8
(???) > in some clients will probably break compatibility with older gopherholes
(???) > or older content. Perhaps some clients could implement some kind of
(???) > content sniffing to tell utf8 apart from ISO8859-*. But, as utf8 is
(???) > quite new compared to gopher, I'm not sure it is even a good idea to use
(???) > utf8 (although I do use it myself): wouldn't it break older clients as
(???) > well?
(???) >
(???)
(???) My only retort to this is that UTF-8
(???) drgrades gracefully to ISO-8859-1
(???) ren't you mixing ISO-8859-1 with ASCII? AFAIK, the first 128 bytes in
(???) tf8 represent the same as they represent in ASCII. While Wikipedia says
(???) hat "ISO-8859-1 was incorporated as the first 256 code points of
(IMG) SO/IEC 10646 and Unicode.", this is, if I'm not mistaken, the
(???) character set*, not the encoding for these characters. In the specific
(???) ase of utf8, the lowest 128 codepoints are represented in a way that is
(???) ompatible with ASCII (and thus with ISO-8859-*[1]), but other codepoints
(???) bove 128, even those from ISO-8859-1, aren't compatible with ISO-8859-1.
(???) ee, for example,
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(???) 1] https://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars.html#asciiext
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(???) uno Silva (aka njsg)
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(???) n 01/03/2015 11:46 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???) Or does a Client query a Gopherd for CAPS
(???) and if it sees "Encoding: utf-8" assumes *all*
(???) content it receives from *that* Gopherd is
(???) encoded in UTF-8?
(TN3) hat's what I was suggesting, yes.
(???) ne could argue that a single server might contain a plethora of
(DOC) ocuments, each of which would be encoded in a specific charset, and
(???) hat's certainly a possibility. But in practice, I have always seen
(SND) ervers saying (in human language, mainly on their root page) "this
(SND) erver is serving content in utf-8", and rarely or never "this specific
(DOC) ocument is encoded in xyz".
(???) ut still, the CAPS capability I was suggesting was about a "default"
(???) ncoding, that is, "if not specified otherwise, assume everything on
(???) his server is encoded in this encoding". That way, if one day there is
(???) mechanism that allows to specify the charset on a per-document basis,
(???) oth won't collide (although I doubt such specific mechanism will
(???) ppear, but of course one can never be sure of the future).
(???) urrently, gopher clients are supposed to assume ISO Latin 1, as per RFC
(DIR) 436. The ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting I was suggesting in my
(???) essage from 31st of December, 2014, was simply a way to overload that
(???) FC charset.
(???) ateusz
(???) On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr
(???) <mailto:mateusz@viste.fr>> wrote:
(???)
(???) On 01/03/2015 11:27 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) Mis-rendered correct (which is what I meant)
(???) but the client "won't break".
(???)
(???)
(???) That's correct.
(???)
(???) What's what I meant by "degrade".
(???)
(???)
(???) Sure, but that's hardly 'graceful'. And doesn't have anything to do
(???) with ISO-8859-1. Which doesn't mean I am opposed to UTF-8 usage in
(???) the gopherspace, on the contrary, I'm 100% for it. But it's
(???) important to keep in mind the exact impact it will have on legacy
(???) clients.
(???)
(???) *I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8 encoded data to
(???) a Client
(???) that doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will still display the
(???) content (just
(???) not any codepoint higher than 255)?
(???)
(???)
(???) Only low-ascii will be rendered correctly, that is anything above
(???) code point 127 will be scrambled.
(???)
(???) Here's an example:
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0/__docs/other/Little%2520Big%__2520Adventure%2520-%__2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%__2520%2528french%2529.txt
(???) <http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/other/Little%2520Big%2520Adventure%2520-%2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%2520%2528french%2529.txt>
(???)
(???) Same thing here (but on a polish document):
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0/__docs/opowiadania%2520%__2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt
(???) <http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/opowiadania%2520%2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt>
(???)
(???) When I open these documents with Overbite, all french or polish
(???) diacritics are broken (until I set my browser manually to UTF-8).
(???)
(???) Of course there are thousands of such examples across the gopherspace.
(???)
(???) Mateusz
(???)
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(???) n 2015-01-03 12:13, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) On 01/03/2015 11:46 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???) > Or does a Client query a Gopherd for CAPS
(???) > and if it sees "Encoding: utf-8" assumes *all*
(???) > content it receives from *that* Gopherd is
(???) > encoded in UTF-8?
(???)
(???) That's what I was suggesting, yes.
(???)
(???) One could argue that a single server might contain a plethora of
(???) documents, each of which would be encoded in a specific charset, and
(???) that's certainly a possibility. But in practice, I have always seen
(???) servers saying (in human language, mainly on their root page) "this
(???) server is serving content in utf-8", and rarely or never "this specific
(???) document is encoded in xyz".
(???) hat about multi-user systems, such as sdf and sdf-eu, where different
(???) sers may have different kinds of documents?
(???)
(???) But still, the CAPS capability I was suggesting was about a "default"
(???) encoding, that is, "if not specified otherwise, assume everything on
(???) this server is encoded in this encoding". That way, if one day there is
(???) a mechanism that allows to specify the charset on a per-document basis,
(???) both won't collide (although I doubt such specific mechanism will
(???) appear, but of course one can never be sure of the future).
(???)
(???) Currently, gopher clients are supposed to assume ISO Latin 1, as per RFC
(???) 1436. The ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting I was suggesting in my
(???) message from 31st of December, 2014, was simply a way to overload that
(???) RFC charset.
(???)
(???) Mateusz
(???) -
(???) uno Silva (aka njsg)
(???) elsinki, Finland
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
(???) Aren't you mixing ISO-8859-1 with ASCII? AFAIK, the first 128 bytes in
(???) utf8 represent the same as they represent in ASCII. While Wikipedia says
(???) that "ISO-8859-1 was incorporated as the first 256 code points of
(???) ISO/IEC 10646 and Unicode.", this is, if I'm not mistaken, the
(???) *character set*, not the encoding for these characters. In the specific
(???) case of utf8, the lowest 128 codepoints are represented in a way that is
(???) compatible with ASCII (and thus with ISO-8859-*[1]), but other codepoints
(???) above 128, even those from ISO-8859-1, aren't compatible with ISO-8859-1.
(???)
(???) See, for example,
(???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81#Character_mappings
(???)
(???) ou are of course quite right :) Thank you for clearing tha tup.
(IMG) think the point is clear though?
(???) lder clients *can* handle UTF-8 encoding even now
(???) even if not rendered properly).
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) ell .. theoretically you could use UTF-8 BOM to mark UTF-8 files on
(PNG) er-document basis. But implementing detection of this into existing
(???) lients is of course not always an option. In my opinion - using UTF-8 as
(DOC) efault encoding is good compromise. RFC compliant clients will still work
(???) nd english only text will be displayed as expected. For other languages
(HTM) aving an option to display accented characters in some clients (UTF-8
(???) nabled ones) is still better than not being able to display them at all.
(???) heers
(???) atjaz
(PHO) 015-01-03 12:13 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr>:
(???) On 01/03/2015 11:46 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) > Or does a Client query a Gopherd for CAPS
(???) > and if it sees "Encoding: utf-8" assumes *all*
(???) > content it receives from *that* Gopherd is
(???) > encoded in UTF-8?
(???) >
(???)
(???) That's what I was suggesting, yes.
(???)
(???) One could argue that a single server might contain a plethora of
(???) documents, each of which would be encoded in a specific charset, and that's
(???) certainly a possibility. But in practice, I have always seen servers saying
(???) (in human language, mainly on their root page) "this server is serving
(???) content in utf-8", and rarely or never "this specific document is encoded
(???) in xyz".
(???)
(???) But still, the CAPS capability I was suggesting was about a "default"
(???) encoding, that is, "if not specified otherwise, assume everything on this
(???) server is encoded in this encoding". That way, if one day there is a
(???) mechanism that allows to specify the charset on a per-document basis, both
(???) won't collide (although I doubt such specific mechanism will appear, but of
(???) course one can never be sure of the future).
(???)
(???) Currently, gopher clients are supposed to assume ISO Latin 1, as per RFC
(???) 1436. The ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting I was suggesting in my message
(???) from 31st of December, 2014, was simply a way to overload that RFC charset.
(???)
(???) Mateusz
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr
(???) > <mailto:mateusz@viste.fr>> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > On 01/03/2015 11:27 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???) >
(???) > Mis-rendered correct (which is what I meant)
(???) > but the client "won't break".
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > That's correct.
(???) >
(???) > What's what I meant by "degrade".
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > Sure, but that's hardly 'graceful'. And doesn't have anything to do
(???) > with ISO-8859-1. Which doesn't mean I am opposed to UTF-8 usage in
(???) > the gopherspace, on the contrary, I'm 100% for it. But it's
(???) > important to keep in mind the exact impact it will have on legacy
(???) > clients.
(???) >
(???) > *I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8 encoded data to
(???) > a Client
(???) > that doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will still display the
(???) > content (just
(???) > not any codepoint higher than 255)?
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > Only low-ascii will be rendered correctly, that is anything above
(???) > code point 127 will be scrambled.
(???) >
(???) > Here's an example:
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0/__docs/other/Little%2520Big%__
(???) > 2520Adventure%2520-%__2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%__
(???) > 2520%2528french%2529.txt
(???) > <http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/other/Little%2520Big%
(???) > 2520Adventure%2520-%2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%2520%2528french%2529.txt>
(???) >
(???) > Same thing here (but on a polish document):
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0/__docs/opowiadania%2520%__
(???) > 2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt
(???) > <http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/opowiadania%2520%
(???) > 2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt>
(???) >
(???) > When I open these documents with Overbite, all french or polish
(???) > diacritics are broken (until I set my browser manually to UTF-8).
(???) >
(???) > Of course there are thousands of such examples across the gopherspace.
(???) >
(???) > Mateusz
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > _________________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.__debian.org
(???) > <mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org>
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(???) > _gopher-project
(???) > <http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/
(???) > gopher-project>
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
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(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Well .. theoretically you could use UTF-8 BOM to mark UTF-=
(TEL) files on per-document basis. But implementing detection of this into exis=
(???) ing clients is of course not always an option. In my opinion - using UTF-8=
(???) as default encoding is good compromise. RFC compliant clients will still w=
(???) rk and english only text will be displayed as expected. For other language=
(SND) having an option to display accented characters in some clients (UTF-8 en=
(???) bled ones) is still better than not being able to display them at all.<div=
(???) <br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Matjaz</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
(???) "><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-01-03 12:13 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Viste =
(???) span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blank"=
(???) mateusz@viste.fr</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
(???) =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span c=
(???) ass=3D"">On 01/03/2015 11:46 AM, James Mills wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) r does a Client query a Gopherd for CAPS<br>
(???) nd if it sees "Encoding: utf-8" assumes *all*<br>
(???) ontent it receives from *that* Gopherd is<br>
(???) ncoded in UTF-8?<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br></span>
(TN3) hat's what I was suggesting, yes.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ne could argue that a single server might contain a plethora of documents,=
(???) each of which would be encoded in a specific charset, and that's certa=
nly a possibility. But in practice, I have always seen servers saying (in =
(HTM) uman language, mainly on their root page) "this server is serving con=
(???) ent in utf-8", and rarely or never "this specific document is en=
(???) oded in xyz".<br>
(???) br>
(???) ut still, the CAPS capability I was suggesting was about a "default&q=
(???) ot; encoding, that is, "if not specified otherwise, assume everything=
(???) on this server is encoded in this encoding". That way, if one day the=
(???) e is a mechanism that allows to specify the charset on a per-document basi=
(SND) , both won't collide (although I doubt such specific mechanism will ap=
(PNG) ear, but of course one can never be sure of the future).<br>
(???) br>
(???) urrently, gopher clients are supposed to assume ISO Latin 1, as per RFC 14=
(ERR) 6. The ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting I was suggesting in my message fr=
(???) m 31st of December, 2014, was simply a way to overload that RFC charset.<b=
(???) >
(???) br>
(???) ateusz<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Mateusz Viste <<a href=3D"mailto:mateusz=
(???) viste.fr" target=3D"_blank">mateusz@viste.fr</a><br></span><span class=3D"=
(???) >
(???) lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blank">mateusz@vi=
(SND) te.fr</a>>> wrote:<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 01/03/2015 11:27 AM, James Mills wrote:<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mis-rendered correct (which is what I meant)<br=
(???)
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 but the client "won't break".<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 That's correct.<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 What's what I meant by "degrade".=
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sure, but that's hardly 'graceful'. And doesn'=
(???) t have anything to do<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 with ISO-8859-1. Which doesn't mean I am opposed to UTF-8=
(???) usage in<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 the gopherspace, on the contrary, I'm 100% for it. But it=
(???) #39;s<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 important to keep in mind the exact impact it will have on le=
(GIF) acy<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 clients.<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 *I think* a Gopher server that splits out UTF_8=
(???) encoded data to<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 a Client<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that doesn't support UTF-8 encoding will st=
ll display the<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 content (just<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 not any codepoint higher than 255)?<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Only low-ascii will be rendered correctly, that is anything a=
(???) ove<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 code point 127 will be scrambled.<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Here's an example:<br>
(???) br></span>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 gopher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/0/__docs/other/Lit=
(???) le%2520Big%__2520Adventure%2520-%__2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%__2520%2528fr=
(???) nch%2529.txt" target=3D"_blank">gopher.viste.fr/0/__<u></u>docs/other/Litt=
(???) e%2520Big%__<u></u>2520Adventure%2520-%__<u></u>2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%=
(???) _<u></u>2520%2528french%2529.txt</a><br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 <<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/other/Little%252=
(TXT) Big%2520Adventure%2520-%2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%2520%2528french%2529.txt=
(???) target=3D"_blank">http://gopher.viste.fr/0/<u></u>docs/other/Little%2520B=
g%<u></u>2520Adventure%2520-%<u></u>2520Soluce%2520du%2520jeu%<u></u>2520%=
(PHO) 528french%2529.txt</a>><span class=3D""><br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Same thing here (but on a polish document):<br>
(???) br></span>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 gopher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/0/__docs/opowiadan=
a%2520%__2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt" target=3D"_blank">gopher.viste.fr/0=
(???) __<u></u>docs/opowiadania%2520%__<u></u>2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt</a><b=
(???) >
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 <<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/0/docs/opowiadania%2520=
(???) 2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt" target=3D"_blank">http://gopher.viste.fr/0/<=
(???) ></u>docs/opowiadania%2520%<u></u>2528polish%2529/sendbajt.txt</a>><spa=
(???) class=3D""><br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 When I open these documents with Overbite, all french or poli=
(SND) h<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 diacritics are broken (until I set my browser manually to UTF=
(???) 8).<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Of course there are thousands of such examples across the gop=
(HTM) erspace.<br>
(???) br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mateusz<br>
(???) br>
(???) br></span><span class=3D"">
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 ______________________________<u></u>___________________<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gopher-Project mailing list<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.__<a href=3D"http://debian.org" t=
(???) rget=3D"_blank"><u></u>debian.org</a><br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debi=
(???) n.org" target=3D"_blank">Gopher-Project@lists.<u></u>alioth.debian.org</a>=
(???) gt;<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian." target=3D"_blank">htt=
(PNG) ://lists.alioth.debian.</a>__<u></u>org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/_<u></u>_=
(GIF) opher-project<br>
(???) C2=A0 =C2=A0 <<a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman=
(???) listinfo/gopher-project" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.<u><=
(???) u>org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/<u></u>gopher-project</a>><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br></span><span class=3D"">
(???) _____________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
(???) opher-Project mailing list<br>
(???) a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org" target=3D"_blank"=
(???) Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.<u></u>debian.org</a><br>
(???) a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-p=
(???) oject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.<u></u>org/cgi-bin/mai=
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(???) br>
(???) /span></blockquote><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">
(???) br>
(???) _____________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) That's what I was suggesting, yes.
(???)
(???) One could argue that a single server might contain a plethora of
(???) documents, each of which would be encoded in a specific charset, and that's
(???) certainly a possibility. But in practice, I have always seen servers saying
(???) (in human language, mainly on their root page) "this server is serving
(???) content in utf-8", and rarely or never "this specific document is encoded
(???) in xyz".
(???)
(???) But still, the CAPS capability I was suggesting was about a "default"
(???) encoding, that is, "if not specified otherwise, assume everything on this
(???) server is encoded in this encoding". That way, if one day there is a
(???) mechanism that allows to specify the charset on a per-document basis, both
(???) won't collide (although I doubt such specific mechanism will appear, but of
(???) course one can never be sure of the future).
(???)
(???) Currently, gopher clients are supposed to assume ISO Latin 1, as per RFC
(???) 1436. The ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting I was suggesting in my message
(???) from 31st of December, 2014, was simply a way to overload that RFC charset.
(???)
(???) ell to that end I've decided it's trivial enough to publish this
(???) configuration item" in cgod
(GIF) opher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/0/caps.txt
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Mateusz Viste <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blank">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
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(???) style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":2i1" class=3D"" style=3D"overflo=
(???) :hidden">That's what I was suggesting, yes.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ne could argue that a single server might contain a plethora of documents,=
(???) each of which would be encoded in a specific charset, and that's certa=
nly a possibility. But in practice, I have always seen servers saying (in =
(HTM) uman language, mainly on their root page) "this server is serving con=
(???) ent in utf-8", and rarely or never "this specific document is en=
(???) oded in xyz".<br>
(???) br>
(???) ut still, the CAPS capability I was suggesting was about a "default&q=
(???) ot; encoding, that is, "if not specified otherwise, assume everything=
(???) on this server is encoded in this encoding". That way, if one day the=
(???) e is a mechanism that allows to specify the charset on a per-document basi=
(SND) , both won't collide (although I doubt such specific mechanism will ap=
(PNG) ear, but of course one can never be sure of the future).<br>
(???) br>
(???) urrently, gopher clients are supposed to assume ISO Latin 1, as per RFC 14=
(ERR) 6. The ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting I was suggesting in my message fr=
(???) m 31st of December, 2014, was simply a way to overload that RFC charset.<b=
(???) ></div></blockquote></div><br>well to that end I've decided it's t=
(???) ivial enough to publish this "configuration item" in cgod</div><=
(DOC) iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">gopher://<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/0/caps.txt">daisy.shortcircuit.net=
(???) au/0/caps.txt</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"=
(GIF) mail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">James</div><div class=
(???) 3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=
(???) 3D"gmail_extra"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-=
(???) ollapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"=
(???) rial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial=
(???) sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=
(???) A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,2=
(TXT) 4)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><=
(SND) pan style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136=
(???) 136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircui=
(???) .net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13=
(PNG) x;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><b=
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) n 01/03/2015 12:26 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???) What about multi-user systems, such as sdf and sdf-eu, where different
(???) users may have different kinds of documents?
(???) hat about them now? Some users are sticking to low ascii, other are
(???) sing utf-8, and other use something else.
(TN3) he ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting would be only a tool for the
(???) dministrator to change the global trend.
(TN3) hat's no silver bullet, and I am aware of this, but it's still an
(???) volution that would allow for 'legal' utf-8 in the gopherspace (which
s already de facto used by many), without making a revolution at the
(SND) ame time.
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
(???) What about multi-user systems, such as sdf and sdf-eu, where different
(???) users may have different kinds of documents?
(???)
(IMG) don't think that matters too much as long as the server
(???) an "read" the content and "serve it up" in the encoding
t says it will.
(???) f course a Gopherd will probably have to work out how to decode
(???) file on disk before re-encoding it? Hmm
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Nuno Silva <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D=
(???) mailto:nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt" target=3D"_blank">nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt</a>&=
(GIF) t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
(TXT) .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":29e" class=
(???) 3D"a3s" style=3D"overflow:hidden">What about multi-user systems, such as s=
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(???) sers may have different kinds of documents?<div class=3D"yj6qo ajU"><div i=
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(???) ><br>I don't think that matters too much as long as the server</div><d=
v class=3D"gmail_extra">can "read" the content and "serve i=
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] GopherMole - a gopher media crawler
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Matja=C5=BE Me=C5=A1njak <matjaz85@gmail.co=
(???) > wrote:
(???) Well .. theoretically you could use UTF-8 BOM to mark UTF-8 files on
(???) per-document basis. But implementing detection of this into existing
(???) clients is of course not always an option. In my opinion - using UTF-8 as
(???) default encoding is good compromise. RFC compliant clients will still wor=
(???)
(???) and english only text will be displayed as expected. For other languages
(???) having an option to display accented characters in some clients (UTF-8
(???) enabled ones) is still better than not being able to display them at all.
(???)
(???) ell a Gopherd could use the BOM marker right?
(TN3) his way a Gopherd could read the file, decode it
(???) nd reencode using the DefaultEncoding CAPS configuration?
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Matja=C5=BE Me=C5=A1njak <span dir=3D"ltr">=
(???) lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matjaz85@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">matjaz85@gmail.=
(???) om</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
(GIF) in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
(???) >Well .. theoretically you could use UTF-8 BOM to mark UTF-8 files on per-=
(DOC) ocument basis. But implementing detection of this into existing clients is=
(???) of course not always an option. In my opinion - using UTF-8 as default enc=
(???) ding is good compromise. RFC compliant clients will still work and english=
(???) only text will be displayed as expected. For other languages having an opt=
on to display accented characters in some clients (UTF-8 enabled ones) is =
(SND) till better than not being able to display them at all.<div></div></div></=
(???) lockquote></div><br>Well a Gopherd could use the BOM marker right?</div><d=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">This way a Go=
(PNG) herd could read the file, decode it</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">and re=
(???) ncode using the DefaultEncoding CAPS configuration?</div><div class=3D"gma=
l_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gm=
(???) il_extra">James<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><=
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) o we're going with:
(???) erverDefaultEncoding ?
(IMG) 'm okay with that :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) On 01/03/2015 12:26 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???)
(???) > What about multi-user systems, such as sdf and sdf-eu, where different
(???) > users may have different kinds of documents?
(???) >
(???)
(???) What about them now? Some users are sticking to low ascii, other are using
(???) utf-8, and other use something else.
(???)
(???) The ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting would be only a tool for the
(???) administrator to change the global trend.
(???)
(???) That's no silver bullet, and I am aware of this, but it's still an
(???) evolution that would allow for 'legal' utf-8 in the gopherspace (which is
(???) already de facto used by many), without making a revolution at the same
(???) time.
(???)
(???) Mateusz
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">So we're going with:<div><br></div><div>ServerDefaultE=
(???) coding ?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm okay with that :)</div><div><br>=
(???) /div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
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al, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, =
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(???) olor:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br><=
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(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Mateusz Vist=
(???) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blan=
(???) ">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
(???) e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
(???) On 01/03/2015 12:26 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) hat about multi-user systems, such as sdf and sdf-eu, where different<br>
(???) sers may have different kinds of documents?<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br>
(???) hat about them now? Some users are sticking to low ascii, other are using =
(???) tf-8, and other use something else.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he ServerDefaultCharset CAPS setting would be only a tool for the administ=
(???) ator to change the global trend.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) hat's no silver bullet, and I am aware of this, but it's still an =
(???) volution that would allow for 'legal' utf-8 in the gopherspace (wh=
ch is already de facto used by many), without making a revolution at the s=
(???) me time.<br>
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(???) ateusz<br>
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:36 PM, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au>
(???) rote:
(???) ServerDefaultEncoding ?
(???)
(???) h :) Yeah I prefer "Encoding".
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:36 PM, James Mills <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortci=
(???) cuit.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
(???) e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>S=
(???) rverDefaultEncoding ?</div><div></div></blockquote></div><br>Oh :) Yeah I =
(PNG) refer "Encoding".</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div=
(???) class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">James<br><br =
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) n 01/03/2015 12:33 PM, James Mills wrote:
(???) > Well a Gopherd could use the BOM marker right?
(???) >
(???) > This way a Gopherd could read the file, decode it
(???) > and reencode using the DefaultEncoding CAPS configuration?
(TN3) he idea was rather to set the CAPS ServerDefaultCharset on servers that
(???) lready serve utf-8. Ie. it doesn't change anything server-side, only
(PNG) rovides a way for the system administrator to let the world know that
(???) he server provides utf-8 content by default.
(???) f course one could imagine a server that recodes everything on the fly,
(???) hen files are physically stored in another charset, but's that would
(???) ather be a special feature of the server (and IMHO, an unnecessary one,
(SND) ince it makes more sense to directly store the content in utf-8 anyway).
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) n 01/03/2015 12:39 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???) Improperly rendered UTF-8 will easily become unreadable[1], which is my
(???) main problem when mixing encodings. By "unreadable" I mean that you
(???) can't get the meaning of the text.
(???) es, but again, I had in mind people that *already* use utf-8 in the
(GIF) opherspace, not mass conversion of existing stuff. In this situation,
(SND) uch CAPS setting can only help, and do no harm (worst case scenario:
(???) he gopher client ignores CAPS, and renders the content like it does
(???) urrently).
(???) Several languages require characters that are not part of ASCII,
(???) including Finnish, Spanish, French and Portuguese.
(???) nd Polish, and many other. But these are "soft" problems, you got at
(???) east latin characters right, so lecture is possible. But try to read
(???) ny cyrillic-based language (Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian...) - there,
(???) every* character is scrambled.
(???) Are there any gopher clients that try to autodetect whether the text is
(???) utf8 or ISO-8859?
(???) one that I know about.
(???) (IF that's even possible without false positives - I guess it's easier with ISO-8859-1...)
(???) n the contrary, it's much easier to identify UTF-8, since it uses
(???) learly defined bit patterns. Detecting any 8-bit charset is a mess, as
t requires statistical analysis of the content.
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) Hee hee=E2=80=A6 One does not need to imagine, one simply needs to downlo=
(???) d
(???) Gophernicus and test that feature :-D. Gophernicus autodetectes all input
(???) (US-ASCII, Latin-1, UTF-8) and re-encodes to output charset which by
(???) default is US-ASCII. This applies to all text files and generated menus
(???) (directory listings).
(???)
(???) Reason for this seemingly stupid feature was that no client that I tested
(???) could handle my UTF-8 filenames, and I wasn=E2=80=99t going to change my =
(???) iles so
(???) changing menus on the fly was the only choice. And since I already had th=
(???)
(???) code I decided to re-encode textfiles too.
(???)
(TN3) his is really neat :) How do you "detect" the file's encoding btw?
(IMG) "almost" do the same with cgod (encoding on the fly) but currently
(IMG) make no efforts to auto-dtect file encoding on disk.
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Kim Holviala <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:kim@holviala.com" target=3D"_blank">kim@holviala.com</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
(???) order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":vg" class=3D"a3s" =
(SND) tyle=3D"overflow:hidden">Hee hee=E2=80=A6 One does not need to imagine, on=
(???) simply needs to download Gophernicus and test that feature :-D. Gophernic=
(???) s autodetectes all input (US-ASCII, Latin-1, UTF-8) and re-encodes to outp=
(???) t charset which by default is US-ASCII. This applies to all text files and=
(???) generated menus (directory listings).<br>
(???) br>
(???) eason for this seemingly stupid feature was that no client that I tested c=
(???) uld handle my UTF-8 filenames, and I wasn=E2=80=99t going to change my fil=
(???) s so changing menus on the fly was the only choice. And since I already ha=
(DOC) the code I decided to re-encode textfiles too.<div class=3D"yj6qo ajU"><d=
v id=3D":wd" class=3D"ajR" tabindex=3D"0"></div></div></div></blockquote><=
(???) div><br>This is really neat :) How do you "detect" the file'=
(SND) encoding btw?</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I "almost" do the=
(???) same with cgod (encoding on the fly) but currently</div><div class=3D"gmai=
(???) _extra">I make no efforts to auto-dtect file encoding on disk.</div><div c=
(???) ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div =
(???) lass=3D"gmail_extra">James<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_s=
gnature"><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);fo=
(???) t-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</=
(???) ont><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'cou=
(???) ier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.n=
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(???) net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new&#=
(ERR) 9;,monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=
(???) 3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier =
(???) ew',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">pro=
(???) ogic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) It doesn=E2=80=99t detect the file encoding, it detects encoding per char=
(???) cter on
(???) the fly. As in you can have both Latin-1 and UTF-8 on the same line in th=
(???)
(???) same file and it will still do the right thing.
(???)
(???) Look at the function strniconv() on string.c line 144. Not the easiest to
(???) understand because it has lots of bit handling - you should probably read=
(???) &
(???) fully understand some UTF-8 docs before trying to figure out what my code
(???) does and why it works the way it does.
(???)
(IMG) nteresting :) Got a lnk to some docs/refs that explain how this works? (I
(???) ssume you followed some well understood algo)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Kim Holviala <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:kim@holviala.com" target=3D"_blank">kim@holviala.com</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
(???) order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":1gt" class=3D"a3s"=
(???) style=3D"overflow:hidden">It doesn=E2=80=99t detect the file encoding, it =
(DOC) etects encoding per character on the fly. As in you can have both Latin-1 =
(???) nd UTF-8 on the same line in the same file and it will still do the right =
(???) hing.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ook at the function strniconv() on string.c line 144. Not the easiest to u=
(???) derstand because it has lots of bit handling - you should probably read &a=
(???) p; fully understand some UTF-8 docs before trying to figure out what my co=
(DOC) e does and why it works the way it does.<div class=3D"yj6qo ajU"><div id=
(???) 3D":1kd" class=3D"ajR" tabindex=3D"0"></div></div></div></blockquote></div=
(???) <br>Interesting :) Got a lnk to some docs/refs that explain how this works=
(???) (I assume you followed some well understood algo)</div><div class=3D"gmai=
(???) _extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gma=
l_extra">James<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><s=
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(???) ><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br=
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(???) , monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=
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(???) ;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://p=
(???) ologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',mon=
(???) space;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortc=
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(???) On 03 Jan 2015, at 19:12, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> =
(???) rote:
(???) Look at the function strniconv() on string.c line 144. Not the easiest =
(???) o understand because it has lots of bit handling - you should probably =
(???) ead & fully understand some UTF-8 docs before trying to figure out what =
(???) y code does and why it works the way it does.
(???) =20
(???) Interesting :) Got a lnk to some docs/refs that explain how this =
(???) orks? (I assume you followed some well understood algo)
(???) ope, there is no algo here, just my own code based on my reading of the =
(???) ffical docs.
(???) asic idea:
(???) first 128 bytes of US-ASCII & Latin-1 & UTF-8 are the same
(???) first 256 bytes of Latin-1 & UTF-8 are the same
(???) the way UTF-8 encodes >0x80 values is easy to detect from byte stream
(???) ased on that I made a function which:
(???) first upconverts all three to 32-bit UTF
(???) if output =3D US-ASCII use the translation table defined in =
(GIF) ophernicus.h to downconvert 0x80 - 0xff to 7-bit
(???) if output =3D Latin-1 let 0x00-0xff pass through and discard anything =
(???) 0xff
(???) if output =3D UTF-8 just encode anything over 0x80 using the UTF-8 =
(???) ncoding
(???) Kim
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(???) lass=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
(TXT) 3 Jan 2015, at 19:12, James Mills <<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" =
(???) lass=3D"">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a>> wrote:</div><div =
(???) lass=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
(???) lass=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
(TXT) 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":1gt" =
(???) lass=3D"a3s" style=3D"overflow:hidden">Look at the function strniconv() =
(???) n string.c line 144. Not the easiest to understand because it has lots =
(???) f bit handling - you should probably read & fully understand some =
(???) TF-8 docs before trying to figure out what my code does and why it =
(???) orks the way it does.<div class=3D"yj6qo ajU"><div id=3D":1kd" =
(???) lass=3D"ajR" tabindex=3D"0"></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
(???) lass=3D"">Interesting :) Got a lnk to some docs/refs that explain how =
(???) his works? (I assume you followed some well understood =
(???) lgo)</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div>Nope, =
(???) here is no algo here, just my own code based on my reading of the =
(???) ffical docs.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Basic =
dea:</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>- first 128 bytes of US-ASCII =
(???) amp; Latin-1 & UTF-8 are the same</div><div>- first 256 bytes of =
(???) atin-1 & UTF-8 are the same</div><div>- the way UTF-8 encodes =
(???) gt;0x80 values is easy to detect from byte stream</div><div><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div>Based on that I made a function =
(???) hich:</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>- first upconverts all three =
(???) o 32-bit UTF</div><div>- if output =3D US-ASCII use the translation =
(???) able defined in gophernicus.h to downconvert 0x80 - 0xff to =
(QRY) -bit</div><div>- if output =3D Latin-1 let 0x00-0xff pass through and =
(DOC) iscard anything > 0xff</div><div>- if output =3D UTF-8 just encode =
(???) nything over 0x80 using the UTF-8 encoding</div><div><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div>- Kim</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><br =
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
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(???) function out of string.c and some ENUMs in gophernicus.h. Should be easy
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(IMG) personally try not to store any of my English documents in UTF-8/Unicode,
(???) ecause of how certain symbols are encoded, such as ' and `, and a few others.
(TN3) hese don't degrade to ASCII very well, as I've been when I wrote the RSS Feed
(PNG) arser for my Gopherhole. Unicode has always been hell for me to support
(PNG) roperly, mainly when converting to plain ASCII. I don't see the purpose of
(???) sing it for English only documents, ASCII to me seems to support everything I
(???) eed to write an entire book. I understand the need of such encoding for the
(???) on-English speaking population, and that's where it should be applied.
(???) nyways, that's my 2c about this encoding stuff being talked about currently.
(???) n January 3, 2015 04:48:02 AM Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) On 01/03/2015 12:39 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???) > Improperly rendered UTF-8 will easily become unreadable[1], which is my
(???) > main problem when mixing encodings. By "unreadable" I mean that you
(???) > can't get the meaning of the text.
(???)
(???) Yes, but again, I had in mind people that *already* use utf-8 in the
(???) gopherspace, not mass conversion of existing stuff. In this situation,
(???) such CAPS setting can only help, and do no harm (worst case scenario:
(???) the gopher client ignores CAPS, and renders the content like it does
(???) currently).
(???)
(???) > Several languages require characters that are not part of ASCII,
(???) > including Finnish, Spanish, French and Portuguese.
(???)
(???) And Polish, and many other. But these are "soft" problems, you got at
(???) least latin characters right, so lecture is possible. But try to read
(???) any cyrillic-based language (Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian...) - there,
(???) *every* character is scrambled.
(???)
(???) > Are there any gopher clients that try to autodetect whether the text is
(???) > utf8 or ISO-8859?
(???)
(???) None that I know about.
(???)
(???) > (IF that's even possible without false positives - I guess it's easier
(???) > with ISO-8859-1...)
(???)
(???) On the contrary, it's much easier to identify UTF-8, since it uses
(???) clearly defined bit patterns. Detecting any 8-bit charset is a mess, as
(???) it requires statistical analysis of the content.
(???)
(???) Mateusz
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) The idea was rather to set the CAPS ServerDefaultCharset on servers that
(???) already serve utf-8. Ie. it doesn't change anything server-side, only
(???) provides a way for the system administrator to let the world know that
(???) the server provides utf-8 content by default.
(IMG) think this is a very sound proposal and I would be willing to support it.
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) I think this is a very sound proposal and I would be willing to support it.
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(???) an we call the parameter ServerDefaultEncoding though?
(IMG) t is the "encoding" the server uses to "encode" the data.
(???) ot necessarily the charset of the original data.
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(???) uot; the data.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Not necessarily the charset=
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(???) > I think this is a very sound proposal and I would be willing to support it.
(???)
(???) Can we call the parameter ServerDefaultEncoding though?
(???) It is the "encoding" the server uses to "encode" the data.
(???) Not necessarily the charset of the original data.
(IMG) 'm fine with whatever name, just as long as there is general consensus.
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(???) n Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 07:42:50PM +1000, James Mills wrote:
(???) On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Brian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net> wrote:
(???)
(???) > gopher://gopher.docfile.org/1/world/monitoring/uptime
(???) >
(???)
(???) I've found this resource grossly inaccurate :/
(???)
(???) Not even sure it's actively maintained?
(???)
(???) It seems it lsits servers with high uptimes that
(???) actually are not contactable :/
(???) ot my experience. Maybe a problem at your end?
(???) es, I believe it is actively maintained, just exchanged emails with the
(???) urator a few months back...
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Brian Koontz <brian@opennicproject.org>
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(???) Not my experience. Maybe a problem at your end?
(???)
(???) Yes, I believe it is actively maintained, just exchanged emails with the
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(???)
(IMG) take it all back then :) I'll have to have a closer look!
(TN3) hanks!
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(???) On 04 Jan 2015, at 2:34, James Mills <prologic@shortcircuit.net.au> wrote:
(???)
(???) Can we call the parameter ServerDefaultEncoding though?
(???) It is the "encoding" the server uses to "encode" the data.
(???) Not necessarily the charset of the original data.
(???) ophernicus 1.7-alpha now supports this new CAPS key. The value is taken from the -o command line parameter which specifies the output charset (and as discussed previously, Gophernicus re-encodes all text to this charset).
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(???) ine for me. I was liking the 'ServerDefaultCharset' term, as it's more
(GIF) eneric (the client doesn't have to know whether any 'encoding' takes
(PNG) lace or not, just the end result matters), but the token's name is so
(SND) light a detail that I am fine with anything.
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/04/2015 01:34 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com
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(???)
(???) I think this is a very sound proposal and I would be willing to
(???) support it.
(???)
(???)
(???) Can we call the parameter ServerDefaultEncoding though?
(???) It is the "encoding" the server uses to "encode" the data.
(???) Not necessarily the charset of the original data.
(???)
(???) cheers
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) Gophernicus 1.7-alpha now supports this new CAPS key. The value is taken
(???) from the -o command line parameter which specifies the output charset (and
(???) as discussed previously, Gophernicus re-encodes all text to this charset).
(???)
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/0/caps.txt
(???)
(???) god now supports this key too :)
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(???) heers
(???) ames
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Kim Holviala <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:kim@holviala.com" target=3D"_blank">kim@holviala.com</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
(???) 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left=
(???) style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":1g9" class=3D"" style=3D"overflo=
(???) :hidden">Gophernicus 1.7-alpha now supports this new CAPS key. The value i=
(SND) taken from the -o command line parameter which specifies the output chars=
(???) t (and as discussed previously, Gophernicus re-encodes all text to this ch=
(???) rset).<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gophernicus.org/0/caps.txt" target=3D"_blank">go=
(PNG) hernicus.org/0/caps.txt</a><div class=3D""><div id=3D":wr" class=3D"" tabi=
(???) dex=3D"0"></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>cgod now supports this =
(???) ey too :)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
(???) ra">gopher://<a href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/0/caps.txt">daisy=
(???) shortcircuit.net.au/0/caps.txt</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></d=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">James<=
(???) r><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"bor=
(DOC) er-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=
(???) 3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"a=
(???) ial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=
(???) C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,=
(TXT) ,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><di=
(???) ><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,=
(DIR) 36,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcir=
(???) uit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size=
(???) 13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a=
(???) <br></div></div></div>
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) n 01/04/2015 08:54 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???) cgod now supports this key too :)
(???)
(???) gopher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/0/caps.txt
(???) <http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/0/caps.txt>
(???) otsognir advertises it as well, now.
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste.fr/0caps.txt
(???) ateusz
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(???) n 2015-01-04 14:30, James Mills wrote:
(???) On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Brian Koontz <brian@opennicproject.org>
(???) wrote:
(???)
(???) > Not my experience. Maybe a problem at your end?
(???) >
(???) > Yes, I believe it is actively maintained, just exchanged emails with the
(???) > curator a few months back...
(???) >
(???)
(???) I take it all back then :) I'll have to have a closer look!
(IMG) nteresting, sdf-eu.org is not in the list, but sdf.lonestar.org
s. I'll ask the curator about it. (I'm not maintaining sdf-eu.org, but
(IMG) have a directory there.)
(???) -
(???) uno Silva (aka njsg)
(???) elsinki, Finland
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(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) Motsognir advertises it as well, now.
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0caps.txt
(???)
(???) ow we just need clients to understand it :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
(???) n Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Mateusz Viste <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blank">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
(???) order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":1mp" class=3D"a3s"=
(???) style=3D"overflow:hidden">Motsognir advertises it as well, now.<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.viste.fr/0caps.txt" target=3D"_blank">gop=
(HTM) er.viste.fr/<u></u>0caps.txt</a><div class=3D"yj6qo ajU"><div id=3D":1aq" =
(???) lass=3D"ajR" tabindex=3D"0"></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>Now w=
(???) just need clients to understand it :)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
(???) </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Ja=
(???) es<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D=
(???) border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font =
(???) ace=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=
(???) 3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospac=
(???) ">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:r=
(GIF) b(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></spa=
(???) ><div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb=
(???) 136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.sho=
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] CAPS capability: ServerDefaultCharset
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(???) > Motsognir advertises it as well, now.
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste.fr/0caps.txt
(???)
(???) Now we just need clients to understand it :)
(IMG) plan to add this support to both OverbiteFF and the Gopher Proxy, both
(???) f which are CAPS-compliant.
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(???) n Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:00 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) I plan to add this support to both OverbiteFF and the Gopher Proxy, both
(???) of which are CAPS-compliant.
(???)
(???) ool :)
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:00 AM, Cameron Kaiser <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
(???) =3D"mailto:spectre@floodgap.com" target=3D"_blank">spectre@floodgap.com</a=
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(SND) =3D"a3s" style=3D"overflow:hidden">I plan to add this support to both Over=
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Web frontend for gopher
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(IMG) have written a shell script www frontend for gopher servers, it
(???) elies on lynx, html tidy, and xinetd (it probably works under regular
netd too). Please check it out and see what you guys think.
(???) ource is at:
(GIF) opher://zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh
(???) r
(HTM) ttp://zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh
(TN3) he script is public domain, I appreciate any useful modifications however. :)
(???) eedback is welcome here or on IRC freenode/#gopherproject
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(???) gopher://zcrayfish.dyndns.org:70/9/users/everyone/local.veronica.tar.gz
(TN3) hat file no longer exists on my server; it hasn't been up there for a
(???) hile anyway... Besides it's very likely it came off of boombox or
(SND) ome other server which had been corrupting files when it was up. :(
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(???) evin Veroneau <kevin@veroneau.net> wrote:
(???) As for port numbers, rarely any MUDs I visit use port 23, all
(???) PennMUSHs use 4201 by default, and Evennia uses 4000 I believe. So
(???) there are no worries about port 23, and in fact having code that must
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(TN3) here are ways to bind to lower ports on Linux without ever needing to
(???) un the process as root - e.g. use an iptables rule to forward traffic
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(???) ateusz,
(???) ould it be possible for your statistics menu to actually link to the
(???) ound servers instead of displaying them are informational text?
(TN3) hanks,
(???) ach
(???) .S.: I sent this to your email as well as the list because my posts are
(???) lways sent to the moderation queue and never seem to get approved.
(???) >Hello list,
(???) >
(???) >Here's a quick update on GopherMole - I worked on it since my last
(???) >post, and made a few improvements:
(???) >
(???) > - a 'statistics' page, where one can see some interesting numbers
(???) > - support for PDF documents (although sadly, not many PDF files in
(???) he >gopherspace contain proper metadata to identify them)
(???) > - random searches (as in "give me 10 random mp3 files")
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole/
(???) >
(???) >Interesting fact: my spider arrived to the end of the visible
(???) >gopherspace, and found out there are 43'575 menus out there, spread
(???) >over 134 servers. These are definitely not very high numbers.
(???) >
(???) >I'm curious to know whether the spider missed any servers - the full
(???) >list is available on gophermole (in the "statistics" menu). If you are
(???) >a gopher server owner, and see your server is not listed, I'd be happy
(???) >to know about it!
(???) >
(???) >cheers,
(???) >Mateusz
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Regarding "title" (and other special) informational
(???) items [Was: Re: RFC submission?]
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(???) iprian Dorin Craciun wrote:
(???) On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) > [...]
(???) > document on piratepad.net looks more like a bag of wishes. Also, it
(???) > describes the usage of some xml-like tags in gopher (title), which by
(???) > itself, is a heresy to me. [...]
(???)
(???)
(???) Although I tend to agree with Mateusz regarding the simplicity appeal
(???) of the Gopher protocol (at times perhaps too simple), and the fact
(???) that "bolting" new features on-top of the existing protocol (like the
(???) title information items) detracts from this simplicity towards
(???) convoluted specifications and incompatible implementations.
(???)
(???) However the title information items, which replace the empty selector
(???) with the "TITLE" selector, made me think a little about how structured
(???) Gopher menus actually are right now...
(???)
(???)
(???) First of all, is there any Gopher client which actually implements
(???) this title information item feature? Because I've seen it documented
(???) it that RFC proposal I thought so, but Overbite doesn't seem to
(???) implement it (although it only took one line of JavaScript to make it
(???) so). (BTW `lynx` doesn't even implement `URL:...` selectors...)
(???)
(???)
(???) Back to the topic of how structured the Gopher menus are, currently
(???) the Gopher menus are technically just a flat list of items with no
(???) differentiation between the various items (except their type).
(???) However if we look at a few Gopher sites, like the ones below
(???) (randomly picked from a list I've once seen), we can easily observe
(???) that the editors do impose a certain structure inside the menus
(???) (especially the "root" menu).
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/
(???) gopher://pongonova.org/
(???) gopher://jgw.mdns.org/
(???) gopher://gopherpedia.com/
(???)
(???) Most of the editors seem to have split the menu into multiple
(???) sections, where the first one serves as a title and foreword for the
(???) entire menu (usually on the root menu, but absent on lower levels);
(???) followed by a few sections featuring a section title and then either
(???) text or links belonging to that section; and sometimes ending with a
(???) footer. The way to "mark" these sections varies, but is clearly
(???) visible from the information items where such a section starts and
(???) where it ends.
(???)
(???) However as stated there is currently no technical solution to convey
(???) this organization.
(???)
(???)
(???) Therefore it makes me wonder if perhaps a first incremental
(???) enhancement (without touching the existing protocol) to the Gopher
(???) ecosystem wouldn't be to improve the structuredness of these Gopher
(???) menus? This would allow the Gopher clients to better present this
(???) information to the user, by perhaps creating a table of contents
(???) (maybe in a sidebar), or (in case of mobile devices) collapsing the
(???) sections (or showing only the first few items), etc.
(???)
(???) Such a change would not affect in any way the Gopher protocol (which
(???) in my opinion is just enough to be useful), nor would it impact
(???) existing clients or servers. It only adds meta-data in the form of
(???) informational items, which already informally exist on most Gopher
(???) sites.
(???)
(???)
(???) For example I would suggest something like described below, where the
(???) selector of an informational item would be:
(???)
(???) * `title` item (one per menu), whose text would constitute the title
(???) of the menu; (like in the current proposal RFC, except only one;)
(???)
(???) * `section-begin` and `section-end` items, which like the `title` item
(???) would mark the beginning of a section whose title is the text of the
(???) `section-begin` item; (I'm not certain if nesting should be allowed;)
(???) (although the `section-end` would make it seem much to close to XML,
(???) this is not the case, and it would be useful to implement collapsing,
(???) while keeping visible some other information not part of the section;)
(???)
(???) * `meta` items, which could provide additional information about the
(???) current menu, like for example the date the menu was last updated, the
(???) authors, etc.; the text of these items should follow the RFC822
(???) header convention, i.e. `Author: Ciprian Craciun`;
(???)
(???) * `adornment` items, which are currently used by the Gopher editors to
(???) mark section begins, ends, blank-lines, etc.; these informational
(???) items don't actually provide any useful information, therefore a type
(???) of client we are speaking about here could just skip displaying;
(???)
(???) * perhaps also `heading-begin`, `heading-end`, `footer-begin` and
(???) `footer-end`, which although provide information, most of the times is
(???) identical to all menus belonging to the same site, therefore they
(???) could be always collapsed;
(???)
(???)
(???) To my defence I don't propose to transform Gopher into a crippled
(???) hyper-text solution, I'm only raising a flag about existing practice
(???) and how we can improve it beyond the current state and standardize it.
(???)
(???) So, how about these (heresies)? :D
(???) Ciprian.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Web frontend for gopher
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(???) ou are nuts :) A shell web interface? :) Nice!
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Zachary Andrews <zcrayfish@gmail.com>
(???) rote:
(???) I have written a shell script www frontend for gopher servers, it
(???) relies on lynx, html tidy, and xinetd (it probably works under regular
(???) inetd too). Please check it out and see what you guys think.
(???)
(???) Source is at:
(???) gopher://zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh
(???) or
(???) http://zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh
(???)
(???) The script is public domain, I appreciate any useful modifications
(???) however. :)
(???)
(???) feedback is welcome here or on IRC freenode/#gopherproject
(???)
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">You are nuts :) A shell web interface? :) Nice!<div><br></=
(DOC) iv><div>cheers</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br c=
(???) ear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-coll=
(???) pse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"aria=
(???) , sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sa=
(???) s-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a=
(???) href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" =
(???) arget=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span =
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v></div></div>
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Zachary And=
(???) ews <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:zcrayfish@gmail.com" target=3D=
(???) _blank">zcrayfish@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
(GIF) mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
(???) eft:1ex">I have written a shell script www frontend for gopher servers, it=
(???) br>
(???) elies on lynx, html tidy, and xinetd (it probably works under regular<br>
netd too).=C2=A0 Please check it out and see what you guys think.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ource is at:<br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh" target=3D"_bl=
(???) nk">zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh</a><br>
(???) r<br>
(???) a href=3D"http://zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh" target=3D"_blank">http=
(???) //zcrayfish.dyndns.org/0/irc/www.sh</a><br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he script is public domain, I appreciate any useful modifications however.=
(???) :)<br>
(???) br>
(???) eedback is welcome here or on IRC freenode/#gopherproject<br>
(???) br>
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(???) n Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Zachary Lee Andrews <zcrayfish@gmail.com>
(???) rote:
(???) Would it be possible for your statistics menu to actually link to the
(???) found servers instead of displaying them are informational text?
(???)
(DUP) 1
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) n Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Zachary Lee Andrews <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
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(???) </a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
(???) :0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":1kq" =
(???) lass=3D"a3s" style=3D"overflow:hidden">Would it be possible for your stati=
(SND) tics menu to actually link to the found servers instead of displaying them=
(???) are informational text?<br></div></blockquote></div><br>+1<br><br clear=3D=
(???) all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-collapse:co=
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(???) serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-seri=
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(???) 3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font=
(???) size:13px">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" =
(SND) tyle=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:r=
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(TN3) his a mail that is one week old (apparently it was stuck in some
(???) oderation queue on the mailing list) - the GopherMole spider does
(PNG) resent the stats menu server list as a clickable menu since then.
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/06/2015 11:54 PM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Zachary Lee Andrews
(???) <zcrayfish@gmail.com <mailto:zcrayfish@gmail.com>> wrote:
(???)
(???) Would it be possible for your statistics menu to actually link to
(???) the found servers instead of displaying them are informational text?
(???)
(???)
(???) +1
(???)
(???)
(???) James Mills / prologic
(???)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopher-FAQ update
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(???) i all,
(IMG) received a contribution to the Gopher-FAQ from a user named kaltheat.
(???) e kindly cleaned up the FAQ from some dead links, and fixed a few things.
(IMG) used the occasion to make some changes, too. I removed some questions
(???) hat were really out of date, and added a few new ones, related to
(SND) ubjects that were appearring on the gopher-project mailing list.
(TN3) he latest version of the gopher-faq is available here:
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gopher-faq
(???) f course, I will happily accept any contributions - the document would
(SND) till need to be polished (best to send modification as patches, either
(???) o the gopher-project mailing list or the comp.infosystems.gopher
(???) ewsgroup).
(???) heers,
(???) ateusz
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(???) i,
(IMG) recently asked similiar questions in IRC (#gopherproject on freenode), but
(???) ithout sufficient responds. So here again (with wider audience?):
(???) hat was "the gopher project"?
(???) hat is "the gopher project"?
(???) ow is "the gopher project" related to Debian (the mailing list runs on a
(DOC) ebian domain)?
(???) hat should "the gopher project" be?
(IMG) can't find informations on the purpose of "the gopher project". If it really
s a project it should have its own gopherhole.
(IMG) am kind of new to gopher and maybe these questions were already discussed
(SND) omewhere (please give me a hint in that case). But if I'm allowed to give my
(???) wo cents to the discussion of the purpose of "the gopher project", it's this:
(TN3) he project should reflect the history, present and future of gopher as a
(PNG) rotocol and gopherspace as the usage of the protocol. Speaking of the future
(???) his would mean that it could coordinate new developments (protocol, software,
(SND) ervices) and "recruiting" of new users/developers. To be able to do this sort
(???) f things the project (as any project) needs a structure and people creating
(???) nd taking part in this structure. Maybe one can think of "the gopher project"
(???) s a W3C for gopher (I must admit that I don't exactly know how the W3C works
(???) nd what it does).
(???) hat do you think?
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
(???) S: Please correct my english (might be better to correct it in personal mails
(???) o not spam the list with too much off-topic stuff). This would help me on
mproving it ;)
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(???) n Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 12:45:26AM +0100, kaltheat@googlemail.com wrote:
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) I recently asked similiar questions in IRC (#gopherproject on freenode), but
(???) without sufficient responds. So here again (with wider audience?):
(???)
(???) What was "the gopher project"?
(???) What is "the gopher project"?
(???) How is "the gopher project" related to Debian (the mailing list runs on a
(???) debian domain)?
(???) What should "the gopher project" be?
(IMG) t's just the name of the channel. I don't think there's an insidious
(???) genda here.
(???) The project should reflect the history, present and future of gopher as a
(???) protocol and gopherspace as the usage of the protocol. Speaking of the future
(???) this would mean that it could coordinate new developments (protocol, software,
(???) services) and "recruiting" of new users/developers. To be able to do this sort
(???) of things the project (as any project) needs a structure and people creating
(???) and taking part in this structure. Maybe one can think of "the gopher project"
(???) as a W3C for gopher (I must admit that I don't exactly know how the W3C works
(???) and what it does).
(???) eah, that sounds about right. All encapsulate by this list, the IRC
(???) hannel, and those of us who continue to carry the torch because it's damn
(???) un.
(???) --Brian
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(IMG) RC: Freenode.net channel #gopherproject
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(???) n Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:45 AM, <kaltheat@googlemail.com> wrote:
(???) I recently asked similiar questions in IRC (#gopherproject on freenode), but
(???) without sufficient responds. So here again (with wider audience?):
(???)
(???) What was "the gopher project"?
(???) What is "the gopher project"?
(???)
(???) I can't find informations on the purpose of "the gopher project". If it really
(???) is a project it should have its own gopherhole.
(???) lthough there are plenty of people on this mailing list that could
(???) etter answer your question, I can point you to my Gopher "notes", a
(???) ollection of links related to Gopher that I've gathered.
(???) http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher
(???) lease note that it's far from complete, and it contains only what
(IMG) 've read (and considered relevant to me).
(???) ther pointers are welcomed,
(???) iprian.
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(???) i Kaltheat,
(IMG) n fact, I think you understood the gopher "project" as something more
(???) han it actually is.
(???) gopher-project" is the name of this mailing list, but it might just as
(???) ell be named "gopher-community". There is no project per se, other than
(GIF) athering a community together which shares a passion for Gopher.
(???) heers,
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/08/2015 12:45 AM, kaltheat@googlemail.com wrote:
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) I recently asked similiar questions in IRC (#gopherproject on freenode), but
(???) without sufficient responds. So here again (with wider audience?):
(???)
(???) What was "the gopher project"?
(???) What is "the gopher project"?
(???) How is "the gopher project" related to Debian (the mailing list runs on a
(???) debian domain)?
(???) What should "the gopher project" be?
(???)
(???) I can't find informations on the purpose of "the gopher project". If it really
(???) is a project it should have its own gopherhole.
(???)
(???) I am kind of new to gopher and maybe these questions were already discussed
(???) somewhere (please give me a hint in that case). But if I'm allowed to give my
(???) two cents to the discussion of the purpose of "the gopher project", it's this:
(???)
(???) The project should reflect the history, present and future of gopher as a
(???) protocol and gopherspace as the usage of the protocol. Speaking of the future
(???) this would mean that it could coordinate new developments (protocol, software,
(???) services) and "recruiting" of new users/developers. To be able to do this sort
(???) of things the project (as any project) needs a structure and people creating
(???) and taking part in this structure. Maybe one can think of "the gopher project"
(???) as a W3C for gopher (I must admit that I don't exactly know how the W3C works
(???) and what it does).
(???)
(???) What do you think?
(???)
(???) Regards,
(???) kaltheat
(???)
(???) PS: Please correct my english (might be better to correct it in personal mails
(???) to not spam the list with too much off-topic stuff). This would help me on
(???) improving it ;)
(???)
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(???) n 2015-01-10 09:56, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???)
(???) On 01/08/2015 12:45 AM, kaltheat@googlemail.com wrote:
(???) >
(???) > I recently asked similiar questions in IRC (#gopherproject on freenode), but
(???) > without sufficient responds. So here again (with wider audience?):
(???) >
(???) > What was "the gopher project"?
(???) > What is "the gopher project"?
(???) > How is "the gopher project" related to Debian (the mailing list runs on a
(???) > debian domain)?
(???) > What should "the gopher project" be?
(???) >
(???) > I can't find informations on the purpose of "the gopher project". If it really
(???) > is a project it should have its own gopherhole.
(???)
(???) In fact, I think you understood the gopher "project" as something more
(???) than it actually is.
(???)
(???) "gopher-project" is the name of this mailing list, but it might just as
(???) well be named "gopher-community". There is no project per se, other than
(???) gathering a community together which shares a passion for Gopher.
(???) es, there is no actual project, we aren't a W3C for gopher, we're just
(PNG) eople interested in gopher, I'd say.
(???) -
(???) uno Silva
(???) elsinki, Finland
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) n Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:56:10AM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) In fact, I think you understood the gopher "project" as something more
(???) than it actually is.
(???)
(???) "gopher-project" is the name of this mailing list, but it might just as
(???) well be named "gopher-community". There is no project per se, other than
(???) gathering a community together which shares a passion for Gopher.
(???) ctually this is what it seems to me, too. But then I stumbled over the
(DOC) omain gopherproject.org and other places[1][2][3] where they use the term
(???) gopher project" as if it meant more in the past.
(???) nable to find details of this "more" I thought it might me a good idea
(???) o ask people beeing involved in the "project" for longer ...
(???) nd if it meant more in the past why couldn't it mean more in the future
(???) han just being a mailing list?
(???) n Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:41:44AM +0200, Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote:
(???) Although there are plenty of people on this mailing list that could
(???) better answer your question, I can point you to my Gopher "notes", a
(???) collection of links related to Gopher that I've gathered.
(???)
(???) http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher
(TN3) his is a nice collection! Thank you for sharing the address.
(IMG) t's a nice collection among other similiar collections spread all over
(GIF) opherspace. And this is another fact that drove me to the idea of a
(???) gopher project" meaning more (in future?) than it means now. The future
(GIF) opher project could provide a gopherhole which covers gopher history at
(???) ne place, which could be a good entry point for new users, ...
(IMG) imagine that there are quite some people in gopherspace (like Goerzen,
(???) aiser) who had/have the wish to preserve gopher history. But what
(PNG) revents them/us to collect and provide it in one place (something like
(PNG) ooling the forces)? If this was done by a project, it kind of abstracts
(???) rom the real people that do it. Let's imagine a certain scenario: A
(PNG) erson has no spare time anymore or has no fun anymore in contributing
(???) o the project (like running gopherbot for instance, whatever), s/he
(???) ould tell the project and it could find another person willing to do
(???) he work ...
(???) egards,
(???) ealtheat
(???) 1] http://gopher.quux.org:70/Software/Gopher
(???) 2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1689
(???) 3] http://ils.unc.edu/callee/gopherpaper.htm
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(???) rian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net> wrote:
(???) On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 12:45:26AM +0100, kaltheat@googlemail.com wrote:
(???) > ..
(???) > How is "the gopher project" related to Debian (the mailing list
(???) > runs on a debian domain)?
(TN3) his one didn't appear to get answered...
(TN3) he Gopher Project was sort of started by John Goerzen, author of several
(???) inux and programming books and articles; see his home page[1] for
(SND) pecifics. He wrote one of the first "gopher revival" gopher servers
(???) pyGopherd), maintains (still?) the old UMN gopher client, and for several
(???) ears hosted the gopher projects' email list, of which the archives[2]
(???) re still located at quxx.org, his other site.
(???) ohn seems like a busy guy and has largely moved on to other things.
(???) efore doing so he moved the gopher project email list over to the Debian
(PNG) roject's mailman-based listserv, hence the current arrangement.
(???) 1] http://www.complete.org/
(???) 2] http://gopher.quux.org:70/Archives
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(???) n 01/10/2015 09:16 PM, Jeff W wrote:
(???) Before doing so he moved the gopher project email list over to the Debian
(???) project's mailman-based listserv, hence the current arrangement.
(???) bout this - why are we all using this mailing list in the first place?
(TN3) here have been a dedicated nntp group for gopher since forever:
(???) omp.infosystems.gopher but surprisingly, this mailing list is much more
(???) ctive.
(???) e personally, I am not a huge fan of mailing lists, and I prefer
(???) ewsgroups, seeing them as a much more efficient and superior
(???) ommunication tool than forwarding mails to xxxxxx people around the world.
(???) o why do people use mailing lists (and the gopher mailing list in
(PNG) articular), instead of NNTP? Is it because it's more convenient for
(SND) ome to use a mailing list than it is to configure a nntp client? (note,
(???) hat Thunderbird does both very well).
(IMG) f that's the reason, then maybe we could imagine having some kind of
(GIF) ateway that would duplicate content from this mailing list to
(???) omp.infosystems.gopher, and vice-versa, so everyone could use what he
(???) ikes most? Or, a step even further, replace this list with a mail
(GIF) ateway to comp.infosystems.gopher ?
(TN3) hese are just loose ideas, and real questions. I'd be curious to know
(???) hat other people think about this. In case there would be some room for
(???) niting the mailing list with NNTP, I would definitely be willing to
(PNG) rovide some time, work and resources for it.
(???) ateusz
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(???) n 2015-01-11 11:21, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) On 01/10/2015 09:16 PM, Jeff W wrote:
(???) > Before doing so he moved the gopher project email list over to the Debian
(???) > project's mailman-based listserv, hence the current arrangement.
(???)
(???) About this - why are we all using this mailing list in the first place?
(???) There have been a dedicated nntp group for gopher since forever:
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher but surprisingly, this mailing list is much more
(???) active.
(???)
(???) Me personally, I am not a huge fan of mailing lists, and I prefer
(???) newsgroups, seeing them as a much more efficient and superior
(???) communication tool than forwarding mails to xxxxxx people around the world.
(???)
(???) So why do people use mailing lists (and the gopher mailing list in
(???) particular), instead of NNTP? Is it because it's more convenient for
(???) some to use a mailing list than it is to configure a nntp client? (note,
(???) that Thunderbird does both very well).
(???)
(???) If that's the reason, then maybe we could imagine having some kind of
(???) gateway that would duplicate content from this mailing list to
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher, and vice-versa, so everyone could use what he
(???) likes most? Or, a step even further, replace this list with a mail
(???) gateway to comp.infosystems.gopher ?
(???)
(???) These are just loose ideas, and real questions. I'd be curious to know
(???) what other people think about this. In case there would be some room for
(???) uniting the mailing list with NNTP, I would definitely be willing to
(???) provide some time, work and resources for it.
(TN3) his mailing list seems to be already available through gmane:
(???) ntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general
(???) or example, here is your message:
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(???) -
(???) uno Silva
(???) elsinki, Finland
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) es, it is, but GMANE is just a mail to nntp translator, without any
(???) elation to *the* gopher newsgroup (ie. comp.infosystems.gopher).
(???) urrently we have two communities:
(???) - historical comp.infosystems.gopher (very small)
(???) - this mailing list (much bigger)
(IMG) 'm wondering whether it would be possible to unite these two worlds...
(???) ven if most people on comp.infosystems.gopher are also in this mailing
(???) ist, there's no reason to artificially split an already quite
(???) ragmented community...
(???) ut of curiosity - who does follow comp.infosystems.gopher here? I am
(PNG) retty sure I am not the only one, but I might just as well be wrong on
(???) his.
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/11/2015 11:52 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???) On 2015-01-11 11:21, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) > On 01/10/2015 09:16 PM, Jeff W wrote:
(???) >> Before doing so he moved the gopher project email list over to the Debian
(???) >> project's mailman-based listserv, hence the current arrangement.
(???) >
(???) > About this - why are we all using this mailing list in the first place?
(???) > There have been a dedicated nntp group for gopher since forever:
(???) > comp.infosystems.gopher but surprisingly, this mailing list is much more
(???) > active.
(???) >
(???) > Me personally, I am not a huge fan of mailing lists, and I prefer
(???) > newsgroups, seeing them as a much more efficient and superior
(???) > communication tool than forwarding mails to xxxxxx people around the world.
(???) >
(???) > So why do people use mailing lists (and the gopher mailing list in
(???) > particular), instead of NNTP? Is it because it's more convenient for
(???) > some to use a mailing list than it is to configure a nntp client? (note,
(???) > that Thunderbird does both very well).
(???) >
(???) > If that's the reason, then maybe we could imagine having some kind of
(???) > gateway that would duplicate content from this mailing list to
(???) > comp.infosystems.gopher, and vice-versa, so everyone could use what he
(???) > likes most? Or, a step even further, replace this list with a mail
(???) > gateway to comp.infosystems.gopher ?
(???) >
(???) > These are just loose ideas, and real questions. I'd be curious to know
(???) > what other people think about this. In case there would be some room for
(???) > uniting the mailing list with NNTP, I would definitely be willing to
(???) > provide some time, work and resources for it.
(???)
(???) This mailing list seems to be already available through gmane:
(???)
(???) nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general
(???)
(???) For example, here is your message:
(???)
(???) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/5017
(???)
(???) ______________________________________________
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(???) opher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) n Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 01:06:20PM +0200, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > On 11 Jan 2015, at 12:21, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > On 01/10/2015 09:16 PM, Jeff W wrote:
(???) >> Before doing so he moved the gopher project email list over to the Debian
(???) >> project's mailman-based listserv, hence the current arrangement.
(???) >
(???) > About this - why are we all using this mailing list in the first place?
(???) > There have been a dedicated nntp group for gopher since forever:
(???) > comp.infosystems.gopher but surprisingly, this mailing list is much more
(???) > active.
(???)
(???) Yes, NNTP is a much better protocol... but getting a feed nowadays is pretty
(???) complicated unless you pay for some NNTP service. Pretty much all ISPs have
(???) stopped providing that, and free servers went away because of spamming.
(IMG) recently got a free account here[1] (but really took some time for
(???) esearching ...). You get free r/w-access to text-only newsgroups.
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
(???) 1] http://www.eternal-september.org/
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(???) p 11-01-15 om 11:21 schreef Mateusz Viste:
(???) About this - why are we all using this mailing list in the first place?
(???) There have been a dedicated nntp group for gopher since forever:
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher but surprisingly, this mailing list is much more
(???) active.
(IMG) did not knew that. But that a mailing list is more popular then usenet
s no surprise. You have already have to look at something as gopher to
(???) ind an internet service that is more obscure at present then usenet.
(???) Me personally, I am not a huge fan of mailing lists, and I prefer
(???) newsgroups, seeing them as a much more efficient and superior
(???) communication tool than forwarding mails to xxxxxx people around the world.
(???) lso a fan of NNTP, but a (mailman) mailinglist is at least a lot better
(???) hen just sending e-mails with a lot of people in TO or CC.
(???) So why do people use mailing lists (and the gopher mailing list in
(???) particular), instead of NNTP? Is it because it's more convenient for
(???) some to use a mailing list than it is to configure a nntp client? (note,
(???) that Thunderbird does both very well).
(???) y ISP, one of the two largest of the country in Belgium, does not offer
(???) senet anymore. I know only one who still does it, a very small one.
(IMG) have a free account for usenet from these people; text only, but you
(HTM) ave to ask for an account.
(HTM) ttp://news.albasani.net/info/imprint.html.en
(???) If that's the reason, then maybe we could imagine having some kind of
(???) gateway that would duplicate content from this mailing list to
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher, and vice-versa, so everyone could use what he
(???) likes most? Or, a step even further, replace this list with a mail
(???) gateway to comp.infosystems.gopher ?
(TN3) his mailinglist is using mailman. I have never used that function of
(???) ailman but mailman supports the function to act as an two way gateway
(???) o a usenet-group.
(???) ll postings to this list can be posted automaticly to usenet. And,
(???) ptionally, postings to a specific usenet-group can also be send to this
(???) ailing lists. (open door for spam I believe)
(???) o if there is the wish the technical means seem to be present. It is
(???) nly a matter of enabling the function in the control panel of mailman
(???) f this list.
(???) alter
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) Out of curiosity - who does follow comp.infosystems.gopher here? I am
(???) pretty sure I am not the only one, but I might just as well be wrong on
(???) this.
(IMG) read c.i.gopher, but mailing lists are somewhat more convenient for me.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) n Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???)
(???)
(???) Yes, NNTP is a much better protocol=E2=80=A6 but getting a feed nowadays =
s pretty
(???) complicated unless you pay for some NNTP service. Pretty much all ISPs ha=
(???) e
(???) stopped providing that, and free servers went away because of spamming.
(???)
(???) I might be mistaken, of course.
(???)
(IMG) still monitor c.i.gopher using this free and public NNTP server:
(???) ews://nntp.aioe.org
(DOC) etails here: http://aioe.org/
(TN3) here's a posting limit of 25 per day, but otherwise it's fine. That said,
(???) he mailing list works ok for me too, I've no strong preference.
(???) ob C.
(GIF) opher://whitemesa.net
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
(???) e">On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Kim Holviala <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:kim@holviala.com" target=3D"_blank">kim@holviala.com</a>>=
(???) /span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
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(???) style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
(???) br>
(???) /span>Yes, NNTP is a much better protocol=E2=80=A6 but getting a feed nowa=
(DOC) ays is pretty complicated unless you pay for some NNTP service. Pretty muc=
(HTM) all ISPs have stopped providing that, and free servers went away because =
(???) f spamming.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) might be mistaken, of course.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I still=
(???) monitor c.i.gopher using this free and public NNTP server:</div><div><br><=
(???) div><div>news://<a href=3D"http://nntp.aioe.org">nntp.aioe.org</a></div><d=
v><br></div><div>details here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://aioe.org/">http://ai=
(???) e.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div>There's a posting limit of 25 per =
(DOC) ay, but otherwise it's fine. That said, the mailing list works ok for =
(???) e too, I've no strong preference.</div><div><br></div><div>Bob C.</div=
(???) <div>gopher://<a href=3D"http://whitemesa.net">whitemesa.net</a></div><div=
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] GopherMole - a gopher media crawler
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) On 01/03/2015 10:40 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) > You don't have my server (but it's new):
(???) > gopher://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/ <http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/>
(???) >
(???)
(???) Thanks, I've added it right now to the database. Will be spidered very
(???) soon. That brings us to a gopherspace of 137 active servers today.
(???)
(???) id you add this? I don't see it in the server stats? :)
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) n Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mateusz Viste <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:mateusz@viste.fr" target=3D"_blank">mateusz@viste.fr</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
(???) order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On 01/03/2015=
(???) 10:40 AM, James Mills wrote:<br>
(???) /span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
(???) eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
(???) ou don't have my server (but it's new):<br></span>
(???) span class=3D"il">gopher</span>://<a href=3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.net=
(???) au/" target=3D"_blank">daisy.shortcircuit.<u></u>net.au/</a> <<a href=
(???) 3D"http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/" target=3D"_blank">http://daisy.short=
(???) ircuit.<u></u>net.au/</a>><br>
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(???) br>
(TN3) hanks, I've added it right now to the database. Will be spidered very =
(SND) oon. That brings us to a gopherspace of 137 active servers today.<br></blo=
(???) kquote></div><br>Did you add this? I don't see it in the server stats?=
(???) :)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">ch=
(???) ers</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">James<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div c=
(???) ass=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(=
(DIR) 36,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mil=
(???) s / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font f=
(???) ce=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:prologic=
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c@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:=
(BIN) ;courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W:=C2=
(???) A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-fam=
ly:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" targ=
(???) t=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
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(???) i,
(???) es I did add your gopher server to the list, but you are right that it
(HTM) asn't been spidered yet. The spider stumbled upon vast spaces of
(???) ndiscovered gopherspace recently, so it's a bit busy these days. I have
(PNG) rioritized the discovery of never-polled servers though, so your gopher
(SND) hould pop into the list by the end of the day.
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste.fr/1/gophermole/$046
(???) heers,
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/13/2015 09:09 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr
(???) <mailto:mateusz@viste.fr>> wrote:
(???)
(???) On 01/03/2015 10:40 AM, James Mills wrote:
(???)
(???) You don't have my server (but it's new):
(???) gopher://daisy.shortcircuit.__net.au/
(???) <http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/>
(???) <http://daisy.shortcircuit.__net.au/
(???) <http://daisy.shortcircuit.net.au/>>
(???)
(???)
(???) Thanks, I've added it right now to the database. Will be spidered
(???) very soon. That brings us to a gopherspace of 137 active servers today.
(???)
(???)
(???) Did you add this? I don't see it in the server stats? :)
(???)
(???) cheers
(???) James
(???)
(???)
(???) James Mills / prologic
(???)
(???) E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au <mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au>
(???) W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au <http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au>
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(???) n Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) Yes I did add your gopher server to the list, but you are right that it
(???) hasn't been spidered yet. The spider stumbled upon vast spaces of
(???) undiscovered gopherspace recently, so it's a bit busy these days. I have
(???) prioritized the discovery of never-polled servers though, so your gopher
(???) should pop into the list by the end of the day.
(???)
(???) hh cool :)
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
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(???) n Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Mateusz Viste <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
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(???) border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":z9" class=3D"a3s"=
(???) style=3D"overflow:hidden">Yes I did add your gopher server to the list, bu=
(???) you are right that it hasn't been spidered yet. The spider stumbled u=
(PNG) on vast spaces of undiscovered gopherspace recently, so it's a bit bus=
(???) these days. I have prioritized the discovery of never-polled servers thou=
(GIF) h, so your gopher should pop into the list by the end of the day.<br></div=
(???) </blockquote></div><br>Ahh cool :)<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D=
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(???) n Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste.fr> wrote:
(???) Yes I did add your gopher server to the list, but you are right that it
(???) hasn't been spidered yet. The spider stumbled upon vast spaces of
(???) undiscovered gopherspace recently, so it's a bit busy these days. I have
(???) prioritized the discovery of never-polled servers though, so your gopher
(???) should pop into the list by the end of the day.
(???)
(???) hh cool :)
(???) : What languages and libraries did you use to implement Gophermole?
(IMG) assume the "sites to crawl" is some kind of FIFO Queue?
(???) o you run the spider(s) on some cloud?
(???) heers
(???) ames
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(???) style=3D"overflow:hidden">Yes I did add your gopher server to the list, bu=
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(???) n 01/13/2015 12:10 PM, James Mills wrote:
(???) Q: What languages and libraries did you use to implement Gophermole?
(???) NSI C89. No libraries, besides libc and a SQL connector.
(???) I assume the "sites to crawl" is some kind of FIFO Queue?
(IMG) t's a queue, yes, but not FIFO. It's randomized, but with some weights
(???) or servers that weren't ever polled (so discovery of new servers is
(???) uick), and then priorities on sites that haven't been revalidated for
(???) he longest time.
(???) Do you run the spider(s) on some cloud?
(???) ope, all the magic happens on my server.
(???) ateusz
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) i,
(???) irst of all: Thanks for the answers so far.
(???) fter roughly a week later I would like to sum up the previous discussion.
(???) Eventhough I assume that anyone could reread the mails I would consider a
(???) summary summing up the basics to be nice and refreshing ;) )
(TN3) o recall it to memory I first asked these questions:
(???) hat was "the gopher project"?
(???) hat is "the gopher project"?
(???) ow is "the gopher project" related to Debian (the mailing list runs on a
(DOC) ebian domain)?
(???) hat should "the gopher project" be?
(IMG) got answers for the second question:
(???) The gopher project" _is_ the name for the mailing list (Brian Koontz, Mateusz
(???) iste) and there _is_ no actual project (Nuno Silva).
(TN3) hen I got an answer for the the third question:
(TN3) he mailing list was setup by John Goerzen who was very active in the past in
(GIF) opherspace and due to other projects that have higher priority he got less
(???) ctive in gopherspace and moved the list from his servers/domain to debian
(SND) ervers/domain (because he is a debian dev he had opportunities to do so) (Jeff
(???) ).
(TN3) his answer kind of lead to another discussion that (from my point of view)
(HTM) ad nothing to do with the original thread in the first place (mailing list vs.
(???) ewsgroup and how to merge them ...). Nonetheless this other discussion is also
nterresting and should come to a solution ;)
(TN3) hen there were some links to archive material or link lists with plenty of
(???) hings about gopher. I don't want to say that they weren't interresting. Not
(???) t all! I think they are interresting and I go through them from time to time.
(???) ut I don't think that they are sufficient answer to the first question. The
(???) irst question was intended to reveal the meaning of the term and not gopher's
(???) verall history.
(IMG) hoped that some "old hand" (who maybe even is a witness of the time the
(???) erm "the gopher project" came up) could explain the former meaning of "the
(GIF) opher project" to a greenhorn (me).
(???) nd then there was the last question to which almost nobody had something to
(SND) ay (Brian Koontz replied to my rough draft of the future "gopher project"
(???) hat this is something already covered by the mailing list, the IRC channel
(???) nd people carrying the gopher torch).
(???) oes this mean that almost anybody likes it the way it is? A "project" being
(???) othing than a mailing list???
(???) aybe some people think it isn't worth to express their ideas/wishes for a
(???) uture _real_ project, because it seems impossible to realize them. But (to me)
(???) hese are seperate steps: ideas can be as absurd as possible and after all
deas were collected one could argue about whether it's possible or not to
(???) ealize them ...
(???) o, from a gopher beginner's perspective the most important things a real
(GIF) opher project should provide (in future) are
(???) - a central gopherhole containing almost anything interresting for newbies
(???) of all kind, like:
(???) - first steps tutorial
(???) - FAQs
(???) - HowTos (how to setup up a gopherhole, how to setup a server, ...)
(???) - list of (actively maintained) gopher server software
(???) - list of (actively maintained) gopher client software
(???) - nice to have: comparission tables of features of servers/clients
(???) - link list to (actively maintained) gopher projects (like GopherMole,
(???) Gopherpedia, Weather Forecasts, ...)
(???) - link list of the most popular gopherholes
(???) - official communication channels (like mailing list, newsgroup, irc)
(???) ost of these informations already are available, but they are spread all over
(GIF) opherspace and there is much redundancy. Sometimes there are documents
(???) overing the same thing on different gopherholes, but they have different
(???) ersions (for example FAQs) or work was done twice, because originators didn't
(???) now that there was already a similiar document, etc. Sometimes links are
(???) roken ... There seems to be almost no reviewing process.
(IMG) would be delighted if you want to share your ideas for a future real project
(???) nd that you don't hesistate to answer just because of the fact that I'm a
(GIF) reenhorn ;) And again: Maybe this already was discussed somewhere and there is
(???) o need to discuss it again. Then please give me a hint (not too harsh ;) ).
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) lthough I respect (and in some ways wouldn't mind) a central planning
(PNG) rocess for Gopher, I think that makes what is for many of us a fun sideline
(???) nnecessarily bureaucratic. Many sites here do have at least some of what
(???) ou propose already as resources for new users, although candidly much of
(???) he denizens of gopherspace were already using it or rediscovered it rather
(???) han new people who had never experienced it before.
(IMG) certainly don't mind someone (you?) constructing a resource with your
(PNG) roposed services of sufficient quality; I just don't want it to be
(???) onstraining. People ask me personally about "changes I would authorize
(???) o gopherspace" presumably because Floodgap is a server of long standing,
(???) ut I don't want to be the benevolent dictator of Gopher by default, and
n that vein I would only endorse something voluntary that recognizes the
(???) ommunity will maintain itself best through an organic process.
(???) -
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(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) i Kaltheat,
(???) ou are suggesting a central authority for gopher, while the very nature
(???) f gopher is to be a totally decentralized mesh of different servers
nterconnected with each other. And that's one (if not the main) reason
(???) hy gopher survived to this day. There's no central hq for gopher, just
(???) ike there's no such hq for the entire web.
(TN3) hat being said, you are of course free (and welcome) to put up your own
(GIF) opher server that would act as a repository with resources for newbies :)
(???) heers,
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/16/2015 04:45 PM, kaltheat@googlemail.com wrote:
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) first of all: Thanks for the answers so far.
(???)
(???) After roughly a week later I would like to sum up the previous discussion.
(???) (Eventhough I assume that anyone could reread the mails I would consider a
(???) summary summing up the basics to be nice and refreshing ;) )
(???)
(???) To recall it to memory I first asked these questions:
(???)
(???) What was "the gopher project"?
(???) What is "the gopher project"?
(???) How is "the gopher project" related to Debian (the mailing list runs on a
(???) debian domain)?
(???) What should "the gopher project" be?
(???)
(???) I got answers for the second question:
(???) "The gopher project" _is_ the name for the mailing list (Brian Koontz, Mateusz
(???) Viste) and there _is_ no actual project (Nuno Silva).
(???)
(???) Then I got an answer for the the third question:
(???) The mailing list was setup by John Goerzen who was very active in the past in
(???) gopherspace and due to other projects that have higher priority he got less
(???) active in gopherspace and moved the list from his servers/domain to debian
(???) servers/domain (because he is a debian dev he had opportunities to do so) (Jeff
(???) W).
(???) This answer kind of lead to another discussion that (from my point of view)
(???) had nothing to do with the original thread in the first place (mailing list vs.
(???) newsgroup and how to merge them ...). Nonetheless this other discussion is also
(???) interresting and should come to a solution ;)
(???)
(???) Then there were some links to archive material or link lists with plenty of
(???) things about gopher. I don't want to say that they weren't interresting. Not
(???) at all! I think they are interresting and I go through them from time to time.
(???) But I don't think that they are sufficient answer to the first question. The
(???) first question was intended to reveal the meaning of the term and not gopher's
(???) overall history.
(???) I hoped that some "old hand" (who maybe even is a witness of the time the
(???) term "the gopher project" came up) could explain the former meaning of "the
(???) gopher project" to a greenhorn (me).
(???)
(???) And then there was the last question to which almost nobody had something to
(???) say (Brian Koontz replied to my rough draft of the future "gopher project"
(???) that this is something already covered by the mailing list, the IRC channel
(???) and people carrying the gopher torch).
(???) Does this mean that almost anybody likes it the way it is? A "project" being
(???) nothing than a mailing list???
(???) Maybe some people think it isn't worth to express their ideas/wishes for a
(???) future _real_ project, because it seems impossible to realize them. But (to me)
(???) these are seperate steps: ideas can be as absurd as possible and after all
(???) ideas were collected one could argue about whether it's possible or not to
(???) realize them ...
(???)
(???) So, from a gopher beginner's perspective the most important things a real
(???) gopher project should provide (in future) are
(???) - a central gopherhole containing almost anything interresting for newbies
(???) of all kind, like:
(???) - first steps tutorial
(???) - FAQs
(???) - HowTos (how to setup up a gopherhole, how to setup a server, ...)
(???) - list of (actively maintained) gopher server software
(???) - list of (actively maintained) gopher client software
(???) - nice to have: comparission tables of features of servers/clients
(???) - link list to (actively maintained) gopher projects (like GopherMole,
(???) Gopherpedia, Weather Forecasts, ...)
(???) - link list of the most popular gopherholes
(???) - official communication channels (like mailing list, newsgroup, irc)
(???)
(???) Most of these informations already are available, but they are spread all over
(???) gopherspace and there is much redundancy. Sometimes there are documents
(???) covering the same thing on different gopherholes, but they have different
(???) versions (for example FAQs) or work was done twice, because originators didn't
(???) know that there was already a similiar document, etc. Sometimes links are
(???) broken ... There seems to be almost no reviewing process.
(???)
(???) I would be delighted if you want to share your ideas for a future real project
(???) and that you don't hesistate to answer just because of the fact that I'm a
(???) greenhorn ;) And again: Maybe this already was discussed somewhere and there is
(???) no need to discuss it again. Then please give me a hint (not too harsh ;) ).
(???)
(???) Regards,
(???) kaltheat
(???)
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(???) n 2015-01-17 09:27, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???)
(???) You are suggesting a central authority for gopher, while the very nature
(???) of gopher is to be a totally decentralized mesh of different servers
(???) interconnected with each other. And that's one (if not the main) reason
(???) why gopher survived to this day. There's no central hq for gopher, just
(???) like there's no such hq for the entire web.
(TN3) his. I am afraid that having a central authority could kill gopher.
(???) -
(???) uno Silva
(???) elsinki, Finland
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(???) i,
(???) n Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 09:27:23AM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) You are suggesting a central authority for gopher, while the very nature
(???) of gopher is to be a totally decentralized mesh of different servers
(???) interconnected with each other. And that's one (if not the main) reason
(???) why gopher survived to this day. There's no central hq for gopher, just
(???) like there's no such hq for the entire web.
(IMG) t's not that a more centralized planning ("authority" reminds me of
(DOC) ictatorship and that's certainly not what I was thinking of!) would change the
(DOC) ecentralized mesh at all. If I understood correctly there were the inventors
(???) f gopher in the past who played a "gopher project" role - you can say a
(???) central authority" ... And if there was significant development or if there
(???) ere significant changes to gopher or gopherspace, you could get informed by
(???) eceiving "official" informations (via usenet, gopherhole, ...) from the
(???) headquarter" (for example (correct me if I'm wrong) they organized GopherCons
(???) s well). And you see eventhough there was something that could have been
(???) alled a "headquarter", it never impaired the decentralized mesh of servers. If
(???) ou speak of reliability of one central place/server the future gopher project
(IMG) have in mind maintains, then of course there could and should be mirrors
(???) like it is in "normal" web, too). And if you thought that the future gopher
(PNG) roject I'm speaking of might "overtake" personal projects (like GopherMole ;)
(???) : That's not what I was thinking of! The central gopher project page could
(???) ust point/link to projects that quite a few gopherians consider
(???) sefull/interresting/geeky/...
(???) o maybe my idea of the role a future "gopher project" could play (or could be
(???) rganized) gets more clear when I say that I had big open source projects in
(???) ind when thinking of the gopher project (not a dictator Linus-Linux-project,
(???) ut more a FreeBSD way where (as far as I know) people periodically change
(???) oles, get elected, have mentors, ...).
(???) nd again: These are just ideas and they don't directly lead to action.
(???) onetheless if I had spare time I would be glad to help out in creating newbie
(GIF) uides/instructions.
(???) ut firstly I don't want to do work that was already done, secondly I don't
(???) ant to place it somewhere where newbies reach it by accident and thirdly I
(DOC) on't want these documents to expire/go stale (just because I have no spare
(???) ime anymore or I'm not aware of recent development or I don't get a hint that
(SND) omething might be corrected or is outdated). That is where planning/organizing
(???) not dictatorship ;) ) comes in handy.
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) n Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 09:25:34AM -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Although I respect (and in some ways wouldn't mind) a central planning
(???) process for Gopher, I think that makes what is for many of us a fun sideline
(???) unnecessarily bureaucratic.
(TN3) his is a good point: bureaucracy shouldn't evolve!
(???) ut what could be bureaucratic? People could work/play on as they used to do.
(???) Many sites here do have at least some of what
(???) you propose already as resources for new users, although candidly much of
(???) the denizens of gopherspace were already using it or rediscovered it rather
(???) than new people who had never experienced it before.
(IMG) didn't know the latter. But this must/will change: The more years pass by
(???) he more the number of people who were able to use gopher in its heyday will
(DOC) ecrease (I don't want it that way!).
(???) I certainly don't mind someone (you?) constructing a resource with your
(???) proposed services of sufficient quality; I just don't want it to be
(???) constraining.
(???) hat could be constraining and for whom?
(???) or example: If there was a guide on how to setup Bucktooth which(the guide)
(HTM) as been developed and was maintained by "the gopher project" anyone could
(???) rite h[is|er] own guide or propose changes or whatever. In which way could
(???) his be constaining?
(???) People ask me personally about "changes I would authorize
(???) to gopherspace" presumably because Floodgap is a server of long standing,
(???) but I don't want to be the benevolent dictator of Gopher by default, and
(???) in that vein I would only endorse something voluntary that recognizes the
(???) community will maintain itself best through an organic process.
(IMG) agree with these abstract thoughts. But what could "something voluntary
(???) hat recognizes the community will maintain itself best through an organic
(PNG) rocess" mean more precisely?
(???) And of course you ever will be one of the wise lords of gopherspace ;) )
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
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(???) > Although I respect (and in some ways wouldn't mind) a central planning
(???) > process for Gopher, I think that makes what is for many of us a fun sideline
(???) > unnecessarily bureaucratic.
(???)
(???) This is a good point: bureaucracy shouldn't evolve!
(???) But what could be bureaucratic? People could work/play on as they used to do.
(IMG) n that case, what would such a central approach solve? Perhaps I don't
(???) nderstand clearly what you're proposing. It sounded like a W3C-like
(???) onsortium, and I think the W3C's drawbacks have become rather apparent.
(???) ased on this,
(???) What could be constraining and for whom?
(???) For example: If there was a guide on how to setup Bucktooth which(the guide)
(???) has been developed and was maintained by "the gopher project" anyone could
(???) write h[is|er] own guide or propose changes or whatever. In which way could
(???) this be constaining?
(IMG) t seems more like you're actually proposing a central resource or repository
(???) or this data, which doesn't really need anyone's permission ...
(???) -
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(???) n Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) rote:
(???) > > Although I respect (and in some ways wouldn't mind) a central planning
(???) > > process for Gopher, I think that makes what is for many of us a fun
(???) sideline
(???) > > unnecessarily bureaucratic.
(???) >
(???) > This is a good point: bureaucracy shouldn't evolve!
(???) > But what could be bureaucratic? People could work/play on as they used
(???) to do.
(???)
(???) In that case, what would such a central approach solve? Perhaps I don't
(???) understand clearly what you're proposing. It sounded like a W3C-like
(???) consortium, and I think the W3C's drawbacks have become rather apparent.
(???)
(???) eing quite new to Gopher myself (old things new again?)
(IMG) also don't' really understand the discussion so far
(???) r what the proposal is.
(IMG) also happen to agree with some other comments
(???) herein centralization has never really proven to be
(???) good thing. The Internet at large was designed to
(???) e a decentralized homogenous network of interconnected
(???) etworks and computers. "Central Authority" has no place
(???) n or in the Internet (but recent times are forcing this to
(???) hange and I believe it's a **BAD** thing).
(IMG) f Gopher is to survive as a protocol and medium IHMO
t **MUST** remain simple; decentralized and open.
(???) Based on this,
(???)
(???) > What could be constraining and for whom?
(???) > For example: If there was a guide on how to setup Bucktooth which(the
(???) guide)
(???) > has been developed and was maintained by "the gopher project" anyone
(???) could
(???) > write h[is|er] own guide or propose changes or whatever. In which way
(???) could
(???) > this be constaining?
(???)
(???) It seems more like you're actually proposing a central resource or
(???) repository
(???) for this data, which doesn't really need anyone's permission ...
(???)
(IMG) ndeed. If your ultimate goal is to help new users
(???) eing more content to Gopherspace then this is
(???) airly easily achieved IHMO without anything special.
(???) ou need: a "presence", "good content" and "a user base".
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) > Although I respect (and in some ways wouldn't mind) a central pl=
(???) nning<br>
(???) gt; > process for Gopher, I think that makes what is for many of us a f=
(???) n sideline<br>
(???) gt; > unnecessarily bureaucratic.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; This is a good point: bureaucracy shouldn't evolve!<br>
(???) gt; But what could be bureaucratic? People could work/play on as they used=
(???) to do.<br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>In that case, what would such a central approach solve? Perhaps I do=
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(???) <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Being quite new to Gopher myself (old=
(???) things new again?)</div><div>I also don't' really understand the d=
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v><div>I also happen to agree with some other comments</div><div>wherein c=
(???) ntralization has never really proven to be</div><div>a good thing. The Int=
(???) rnet at large was designed to</div><div>be a decentralized homogenous netw=
(???) rk of interconnected</div><div>networks and computers. "Central Autho=
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(???) ased on this,<br>
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(???) gt; What could be constraining and for whom?<br>
(???) gt; For example: If there was a guide on how to setup Bucktooth which(the =
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(???) gt; has been developed and was maintained by "the gopher project"=
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(???) gt; write h[is|er] own guide or propose changes or whatever. In which way =
(???) ould<br>
(???) gt; this be constaining?<br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>It seems more like you're actually proposing a central resource =
(???) r repository<br>
(???) or this data, which doesn't really need anyone's permission ...<br=
(???) </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed. If your ultimate goal is to help =
(???) ew users</div><div>being more content to Gopherspace then this is</div><di=
(???) >fairly easily achieved IHMO without anything special.</div><div><br></div=
(???) <div>You need: a "presence", "good content" and "=
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) n Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:41:22AM -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > > Although I respect (and in some ways wouldn't mind) a central planning
(???) > > process for Gopher, I think that makes what is for many of us a fun sideline
(???) > > unnecessarily bureaucratic.
(???) >
(???) > This is a good point: bureaucracy shouldn't evolve!
(???) > But what could be bureaucratic? People could work/play on as they used to do.
(???)
(???) In that case, what would such a central approach solve? Perhaps I don't
(???) understand clearly what you're proposing. It sounded like a W3C-like
(???) consortium, and I think the W3C's drawbacks have become rather apparent.
(???)
(???) Based on this,
(???)
(???) > What could be constraining and for whom?
(???) > For example: If there was a guide on how to setup Bucktooth which(the guide)
(???) > has been developed and was maintained by "the gopher project" anyone could
(???) > write h[is|er] own guide or propose changes or whatever. In which way could
(???) > this be constaining?
(???)
(???) It seems more like you're actually proposing a central resource or repository
(???) for this data, which doesn't really need anyone's permission ...
(???) ight. But of course such a repository can't be public writeable to avoid
(DOC) estruction/spam/.... So some agreement is needed to clarify who can write to
(???) he repository and if the repository should be the product of a project some
(???) greement is needed if certain content is reasonable/tolerable/without mistakes/
(???) ..
(???) nd indepentently from this central repository/project's repository people of
(???) ourse can do whatever they want (setting up their own gopher servers, gopher
(HTM) oles, providing content they want to provide through their gopher holes,
(DOC) eveloping gopher related software, ...).
(TN3) he project I have in mind is a community-driven project that concentrates the
(???) are forces in gopherspace and that can't die if some forces go away or join ...
(???) nd one tasks of such a project could be to create and provide gopher related
(???) ontent (like I said before: for instance newbie instructions). [If this is done
(???) ight it can't happen, what has happened several times in gopher history (if I
(???) nderstood correctly) that a gopher server with valuable content (many gopherians
(???) inked there) goes down and the content is lost/unreachable (this happened to
(???) egin_Here from hal3000.cx for example).]
(IMG) recently verified an idea that came to me after your last mail where you said
(???) hat people ask you for permissions to provide content to gopherspace: Today we
(???) ould say that there already is such a central place where many gopherians link
(???) o and which creator many gopherians take as an authority - and this is floodgap
(???) nd you. (Let me be clear: I hadn't this idea before [when I wrote my first mail]
(???) nd I didn't have the purpose to bring down an emperor ...) One fact strengthens
(???) his appearance: gopherproject.org directly redirects to floodgap ...
(???) nd this central place is not in the hand of the community and it does not
(PNG) rovide content for the complete community (for instance weather reports are
nterresting for people being located next to you) and it strongly relies on a
(SND) ingle person - on your goodwill, on your motivation, on your spare time, on
(???) our opportunity(maybe wrong word) to constantly run and maintain servers ...
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) i,
(???) n Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 09:32:03AM +1000, James Mills wrote:
(???) [...]
(???) Being quite new to Gopher myself (old things new again?)
(???) I also don't' really understand the discussion so far
(???) or what the proposal is.
(IMG) t hopefully gets clearer and clearer ;)
(???) I also happen to agree with some other comments
(???) wherein centralization has never really proven to be
(???) a good thing. The Internet at large was designed to
(???) be a decentralized homogenous network of interconnected
(???) networks and computers. "Central Authority" has no place
(???) on or in the Internet (but recent times are forcing this to
(???) change and I believe it's a **BAD** thing).
(???)
(???) If Gopher is to survive as a protocol and medium IHMO
(???) it **MUST** remain simple; decentralized and open.
(???) lease take a look at my reply to Mateusz where I tried to explain why
(???) "central" project would not impair the decentralization at all ...
(???) aybe it gets clearer when you don't think to strictly about "central
(???) uthority" but of "coordination of forces" ...
(???) > [...]
(???) > It seems more like you're actually proposing a central resource or
(???) > repository
(???) > for this data, which doesn't really need anyone's permission ...
(???) >
(???)
(???) Indeed. If your ultimate goal is to help new users
(???) being more content to Gopherspace then this is
(???) fairly easily achieved IHMO without anything special.
(???)
(???) You need: a "presence", "good content" and "a user base".
(???) s I said multiple times before: guiding new users might be one task
(???) mong others a project could work on. And if a project is community-
(DOC) riven and accepted by the community it automatically has all those
(???) hings you propose: "presence", "good content" and "a user base" ...
(???) aybe my ultimate goal is to revive(?) "the gopher project" as a real
(PNG) roject. And I tried to explain several times what this could mean to
(???) e. If you are interrested in a "gopher project", you are welcome
(???) several times) to express your wishes/ideas for a "gopher project"
(???) .. to fill this term with meaning/sense.
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
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(???) Today we could say that there already is such a central place where many
(???) gopherians link to and which creator many gopherians take as an authority -
(???) and this is floodgap and you. (Let me be clear: I hadn't this idea before
(???) [when I wrote my first mail]
(???) and I didn't have the purpose to bring down an emperor ...)
(IMG) don't see myself as an "emperor" of anything -- although I end up being
n the vanguard because most of the extant client software currently in use
(???) as either partially or mostly written by me, and of course V-2, most
(???) ctual *servers* nowadays seem to use Gophernicus. So there are other
(???) uthoritiative sources, but to your specific point:
(???) One fact strengthens
(???) this appearance: gopherproject.org directly redirects to floodgap ...
(???) And this central place is not in the hand of the community and it does not
(???) provide content for the complete community (for instance weather reports are
(???) interresting for people being located next to you) and it strongly relies on a
(???) single person - on your goodwill, on your motivation, on your spare time, on
(???) your opportunity(maybe wrong word) to constantly run and maintain servers ...
(GIF) opherproject.org points to me as a historical footnote. John Goerzen
(???) reated it as an alias to quux, but decided not to renew it and offered it
(???) o me, which I accepted to keep it valid.
(IMG) certainly don't mind relinquishing it, since it serves no other special
(PNG) urpose, but because it does have some significance, I intend to be somewhat
(???) hoosy about whom or what I release it to.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - How are you gentlemen? All your base are belong to us! ---------------------
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(???) n Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:17:46PM -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > Today we could say that there already is such a central place where many
(???) > gopherians link to and which creator many gopherians take as an authority -
(???) > and this is floodgap and you. (Let me be clear: I hadn't this idea before
(???) > [when I wrote my first mail]
(???) > and I didn't have the purpose to bring down an emperor ...)
(???)
(???) I don't see myself as an "emperor" of anything -- although I end up being
(???) in the vanguard because most of the extant client software currently in use
(???) was either partially or mostly written by me, and of course V-2, most
(???) actual *servers* nowadays seem to use Gophernicus. So there are other
(???) authoritiative sources, but to your specific point:
(???)
(???) > One fact strengthens
(???) > this appearance: gopherproject.org directly redirects to floodgap ...
(???) > And this central place is not in the hand of the community and it does not
(???) > provide content for the complete community (for instance weather reports are
(???) > interresting for people being located next to you) and it strongly relies on a
(???) > single person - on your goodwill, on your motivation, on your spare time, on
(???) > your opportunity(maybe wrong word) to constantly run and maintain servers ...
(???)
(???) gopherproject.org points to me as a historical footnote. John Goerzen
(???) created it as an alias to quux, but decided not to renew it and offered it
(???) to me, which I accepted to keep it valid.
(???)
(???) I certainly don't mind relinquishing it, since it serves no other special
(???) purpose, but because it does have some significance, I intend to be somewhat
(???) choosy about whom or what I release it to.
(???) ust to be clear: I didn't want to accuse anybody. And the above was just a
(???) arginal note to those having "fear" of "authority"/"centralization"/...:
(???) irstly my idea wouldn't impair decentralization (as you can read in my reply
(???) o Mateusz) and secondly there is more than no centralization/authority in
(???) oday's gopherspace than people might think ...
(???) egards,
(???) altheat
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(???) ubject: [gopher] 79.255.121.27 mass crawle
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(???) ould the owner of 79.255.121.27 , please let the bot crawle a little less
(???) ggressiv, there is no pause between selector requests.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] 79.255.121.27 mass crawle
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(???) could the owner of 79.255.121.27 , please let the bot crawle a little less
(???) aggressiv, there is no pause between selector requests.
(PHO) 7.121.255.79.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR p4FFF791B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de.
(???) oesn't look like a typical crawler. Does it seem systematized or is it
(PNG) ulling random selectors?
(???) -
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(???) n Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Jacob Dahl Pind <rachael@telefisk.org>
(???) rote:
(???)
(???) could the owner of 79.255.121.27 , please let the bot crawle a little less
(???) aggressiv, there is no pause between selector requests.
(???)
(???) --
(???) Jacob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:230/38.8
(???)
(???)
(TN3) his address appeared in my gopher logs recently, but the interval between
(???) equests was several minutes. Here's a sample from the log:
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:04:41:29 -0700] "/lynx-windows" 200 197 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:04:47:18 -0700] "/phlog/phlogengine.cgi" 200
(TEL) 35 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:01:04 -0700] "/fobb/fobb2012" 200 7571 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:13:56 -0700] "/wireless-telegraphy" 200
(PHO) 698 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:20:12 -0700] "/online-books" 200 1161 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:25:21 -0700] "/online-books/classics" 200
(PHO) 250 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:39:46 -0700] "/submarine-telegraphy" 200
(BIN) 86 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:55:30 -0700] "/slide-rules" 200 502 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:06:04:27 -0700]
(???) /slide-rules/sr-complete-manual" 200 597 ""
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:06:23:18 -0700] "/landline-telegraphy" 200
(HEX) 013 ""
(???) ccesses seem random.
(???) ob
(GIF) opher://whitemesa.net
(???) -001a11c127ead09576050d35a1da
(???) ontent-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
(???) n Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Jacob Dahl Pind <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
(???) ef=3D"mailto:rachael@telefisk.org" target=3D"_blank">rachael@telefisk.org<=
(???) a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
(TXT) px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);=
(???) order-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
(???) ould the owner of 79.255.121.27 , please let the bot crawle a little less =
(???) ggressiv, there is no pause between selector requests.<br>
(???) br>
(???) -<br>
(???) acob Dahl Pind | <a href=3D"http://telefisk.org" target=3D"_blank">telefis=
(???) .org</a> | fidonet 2:230/38.8<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This=
(???) address appeared in my gopher logs recently, but the interval between requ=
(???) sts was several minutes. Here's a sample from the log:</div><div><br><=
(???) div><div><div>79.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:04:41:29 -0700] "/lynx-w=
ndows" 200 197 ""</div><div>79.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:=
(TXT) 4:47:18 -0700] "/phlog/phlogengine.cgi" 200 835 ""</di=
(???) ><div>79.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:01:04 -0700] "/fobb/fobb2012&=
(???) uot; 200 7571 ""</div><div>79.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:13:=
(ARC) 6 -0700] "/wireless-telegraphy" 200 2698 ""</div><div>=
(QRY) 9.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:20:12 -0700] "/online-books" 20=
(TXT) 1161 ""</div><div>79.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:25:21 -0700=
(???) "/online-books/classics" 200 2250 ""</div><div>79.255=
(???) 121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:39:46 -0700] "/submarine-telegraphy" =
(PHO) 00 986 ""</div><div>79.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:05:55:30 -070=
(TXT) ] "/slide-rules" 200 502 ""</div><div>79.255.121.27 - =
(???) [20/Jan/2015:06:04:27 -0700] "/slide-rules/sr-complete-manual" =
(PHO) 00 597 ""</div><div>79.255.121.27 - - [20/Jan/2015:06:23:18 -070=
(TXT) ] "/landline-telegraphy" 200 4013 ""</div></div></div>=
(???) br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Accesses seem random.</div><div class=
(???) 3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Bob=C2=A0</div><div c=
(???) ass=3D"gmail_extra">gopher://<a href=3D"http://whitemesa.net">whitemesa.ne=
(???) </a></div></div>
(???) -001a11c127ead09576050d35a1da--
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(???) <CALGqR9J_Uw0noyHP45oBUsFxVj4B3wd1bAxPm6xppqFjDb8TAw@mail.gmail.com>,
(???) <54A7BC97.3050505@viste.fr>,
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(???) <54B4FB88.3060008@viste.fr>,
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(???) ubject: [gopher] bandwidth overhead for gopher
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(GIF) day.
(???) Could someone please correct me.....
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(???) or its transmission duties.. Could someone please confirm or deny?=20
(TN3) hanks gents. -Barana.
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(???) onfirmed.
(???) Gopher Request is basically:
(???) ONNECT:
(???) RITE: <selector>\r\n
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(???) LOSE:
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
(???) : prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) n Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:19 PM, barana . <barana24@hotmail.com> wrote:
(???) gday.
(???) Could someone please correct me.....
(???) I am under the impression that gopher has a far smaller data use overhead
(???) for its transmission duties.. Could someone please confirm or deny?
(???)
(???) Thanks gents. -Barana.
(???)
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">Confirmed.<div><br></div><div>A Gopher Request is basicall=
(???) :</div><div><br></div><div>CONNECT:</div><div>WRITE: <selector>\r\n<=
(???) div><div>READ: <data></div><div>CLOSE:</div><div><br></div><div>chee=
(???) s</div><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">=
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(???) nt><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mail=
(???) o:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_bl=
(???) nk">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font=
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(PNG) x">W:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D=
(???) font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,2=
(TXT) 4)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></di=
(???) >
(???) br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:19 PM, barana . <s=
(PNG) an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:barana24@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
(???) ">barana24@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
(???) quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
(DIR) ex">
(???) div><div dir=3D"ltr">gday.<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Could someone pleas=
(???) correct me.....<br>=C2=A0I am under the impression that gopher has a far =
(SND) maller data use overhead for its transmission duties.. Could someone pleas=
(???) confirm or deny? <br><br>Thanks gents. -Barana.<br>=C2=A0 <br><div><hr></=
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] bandwidth overhead for gopher
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(???) ontent-Type: multipart/alternative;
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(???) ssuming a set selector of 10 characters long=2C how many bytes would that =
(???) e........... and could you compare that to the closest example of http and=
(???) www with a 10 character long site adress? and how many bytes would the htt=
(PNG) version run into?
(???) rom: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
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(TN3) o: gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] bandwidth overhead for gopher
(???) onfirmed.
(???) Gopher Request is basically:
(???) ONNECT:WRITE: <selector>\r\nREAD: <data>CLOSE:
(???) heersJames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
(???) : prologic@shortcircuit.net.auW: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
(???) 0A=
(???) n Thu=2C Jan 22=2C 2015 at 2:19 PM=2C barana . <barana24@hotmail.com> wrot=
(???) :
(???) 0A=
(???) 0A=
(???) 0A=
(GIF) day.
(???) Could someone please correct me.....
(???) I am under the impression that gopher has a far smaller data use overhead =
(???) or its transmission duties.. Could someone please confirm or deny?=20
(TN3) hanks gents. -Barana.
(???) =20
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(???) body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'><br>assuming a set selector of 1=
(TXT) characters long=2C how many bytes would that be........... and could you =
(???) ompare that to the closest example of http and www with a 10 character lon=
(GIF) site adress? and how many bytes would the http version run into?<br><div>=
(???) hr id=3D"stopSpelling">From: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au<br>Date: Thu=2C =
(PHO) 2 Jan 2015 14:46:32 +1000<br>To: gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org<br=
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] bandwidth overhead for gopher<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr=
(???) >Confirmed.<div><br></div><div>A Gopher Request is basically:</div><div><b=
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(HTM) as a far smaller data use overhead for its transmission duties.. Could som=
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(???) assuming a set selector of 10 characters long, how many bytes would that
(???) be........... and could you compare that to the closest example of http
(???) and www with a 10 character long site adress? and how many bytes would the
(???) http version run into?
(TN3) he primary difference is Gopher has no headers and a trivial request method,
(???) nd no in-band encoding such as chunked encoding and the like. However, while
(???) opher will always save you something, it may not always save you very much.
(TN3) he amount of savings depends on the frequency of requests and resource size.
(???) or large single prolonged transfers, such as big files, the proportion of
(HTM) eaders to data is so small as to be negligible for especially big file sizes.
(???) opher's only advantage here may well be to retard malicious discovery and
(DOC) eep linking (which is why I keep my file archives generally in gopher).
(???) or multiple short transfers, especially repeatedly, Gopher has substantially
(???) ess overhead compared to typical requests made by most current Web clients.
(IMG) f you compare
(???)
(???) ith
(???) ET / HTTP/1.0
(???) onnection: close
(???) ost: foo.bar.bletch
(???) ser-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (6510; I; Commodore 64 BASIC 2.0)
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(???) ou can see the ratio. If the file is short, the headers may well be a
(SND) ubstantial fraction of the total data sent.
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(???) n Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:19 AM, barana . <barana24@hotmail.com> wrote:
(???) Could someone please correct me.....
(???) I am under the impression that gopher has a far smaller data use overhead
(???) for its transmission duties.. Could someone please confirm or deny?
(TN3) he other respondents already touched the size difference between HTTP
(???) nd Gopher. Still on this subject if you want to see a "real" HTTP
(???) equest in action, use Firefox (or your favourite browser), go to
(???) Developers` menu and then to the `Network` pane and activate it, and
(???) hen enter an URL like `google.com`. Take the first request and look
(???) t the request and response sizes, which are ~0.5KiB and ~1.2 KiB
(???) without any content). This amount of data is what your browser
(???) sually sends and receives for each request in addition to the actual
(PNG) ayload. But as the others observed usually this size pales in
(???) omparison with the actual content.
(???) lso when comparing network efficiency, one is perhaps better to look
(???) t the number of exchanged packets, which in both cases for extremely
(SND) mall requests / replies can be only 1 in each direction, meaning that
n practical terms they are both as efficient.
(???) owever another easily overlooked advantage of HTTP is the possibility
(???) o cache content by using the various cache control headers, something
(???) hich Gopher completely lacks (unless the client implements "covertly"
(???) nd thus breaking somewhat the experience). Therefore if I access a
(SND) tatic site served with any "proper" HTTP server (say Nginx, LigHTTPD,
(???) pache, etc.) usually the content will be downloaded once, and no
(???) ater how many times I switch back-and-forth between pages, I'll use
(???) o extra bandwidth because the responses are cached.
(???) ompare this with Gopher which doesn't have any caching control
(???) echanism, thus if I go between two menus (or files) back-and-forth,
(???) lthough their content didn't changed, they will get downloaded again
(???) nd again.
(TN3) herefore if we take into account the HTTP caching ability, Gopher
(???) oses quite badly.
(???) ut on the bright side, I currently can see Gopher used perhaps in
(???) mbedded software as a way to implement control dashboards or obtain
(DOC) ebugging data. This is due to the protocols simplicity, where there
s no need for a Gopher client or server library, and one can use a
(SND) traight socket and be fully up-and-running, thus perhaps implement
(SND) omething resembling a CGI solution in ten lines of Bash.
(???) iprian.
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(???) i,
(???) gain thanks for the answers and again an intermediate result ...
(IMG) t's mainly that there is nobody on this list during the past two weeks who
(???) xpresses interrest in a future gopher project that unites the efforts of many
(GIF) opherians still alive/active.
(IMG) n the last week I tried to explain how I can imagine a future gopher project.
(IMG) tried to reduce fear that the gopher protocol or the way it might be used
(???) ould change significant with a future gopher project. This process lead to a
(???) reveiling" (to me) that there are more authorities or central spaces in
(GIF) opherspace than one might think at the first moment (not meaning that the
(???) uthorities want to be authorities, but they are treated like authorities some
(???) imes).
(???) nd that's it so far. I won't go any futher concerning a future gopher project
(???) s long as no one claims interrest. Might be that I will have some content that
(IMG) consider interresting for others too, that I will have some spare time and
(SND) pare hardware and that I will provide it to gopherspace.
(???) egards,
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) i,
(???) aybe this document might be handy for you ...
(???) egards,
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(???) DEVELOPEMENT OF
(???) THE GOPHER PROJECT
(???) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(???) ersion: 0.0
(???) edited: Jan 23 2015
(TN3) his document should be a fact sheet, a collection of facts that tries to trace
(???) he path the gopher project walked from the past to the present. The last
(SND) ection should be a collection of wishes for a gopher project in the future.
(???) eel free to edit an republish this sheet (remember to increase date and
(???) ersion).
(TN3) ODO
(???) ===
(???) - some sources for the claims
(???) - collect some more facts for history and present
(???) - beautify the future
(HTM) istory
(???) ======
(???) - project initially created by the creators of gopher protocol in 1991 at the
(???) University of Minnesota (USA), coordination of gopher protocol development,
(???) gopher conferences, gopher applications, ...
(???) - John Goerzen made some efforts to archive content of old gopher servers and
(???) old gopher server/client software from YYYY to YYYY
(???) - John Goerzen created gopher-project mailinglist and registered
(???) gopherproject.org
(PNG) resent
(???) ======
(???) - John Goerzen stopped activities on gopherspace, moved mailing list on debian
(???) server
(???) - John Goerzen handed gopherproject.org to Cameron Kaiser, domain redirects to
(???) gopher.floodgap.com
(???) - gopherproject is a name for the mailing list and for a freenode IRC channel
(???) uture
(???) =====
(???) - gopherproject could be a community driven project that unites efforts in
(???) gopherspace
(???) - gopherproject could provide a gopherhole with valueable/up-to-date content
(???) for gopher newbies, gopher historians, gopher developers, ...
(???) - gopherproject could organize gopher conferences
(???) - gopherproject could help with standardization efforts
(???) - gopherproject could develope and maintain an up-to-date gopher server
(???) (software) and gopher client (software) as reference implementations of RFCs
(???) - gopherproject could continously review documents (also in web, like
(???) wikipedia article)
(???) - gopherproject could continously make archive of some gopher servers (like
(???) archive.org for web)
(???) - gopherproject could maintain "official" communication channels like mailing
(???) list, usenet newsgroup, irc channel, ...
(???) - <YOUR WISH HERE>
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(???) n Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 08:04:59AM +0200, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > On 22 Jan 2015, at 7:51, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > For large single prolonged transfers, such as big files, the proportion of
(???) > headers to data is so small as to be negligible for especially big file sizes.
(???)
(???) Also, HTTP can compress data on the fly resulting in much smaller transfer sizes than Gopher can ever do.
(TN3) here's no reason why a gopher server couldn't compress on the fly. It's
(???) ust another binary file...
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:01:11PM +0100, kaltheat@googlemail.com wrote:
(???) It's mainly that there is nobody on this list during the past two weeks who
(???) expresses interrest in a future gopher project that unites the efforts of many
(???) gopherians still alive/active.
(IMG) think this list and the IRC serves the purpose of uniting us. We're not
(???) big group, and it's not like people are clamoring in droves to access
(GIF) opherspace. It's an arcane hobby for most of us, something we do mainly
(???) or the nostalgic value. I belong to an organization/project that has
(SND) tructure, purpose, and mandate (OpenNIC), and that takes work. Gopher is
(???) welcome respite from all that.
(???) --Brian
(???) -
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(HTM) ttp://www.pongonova.org/gopherwiki
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(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) I think this list and the IRC serves the purpose of uniting us. We're not
(???) a big group, and it's not like people are clamoring in droves to access
(???) gopherspace. It's an arcane hobby for most of us, something we do mainly
(???) for the nostalgic value. I belong to an organization/project that has
(???) structure, purpose, and mandate (OpenNIC), and that takes work. Gopher is
(???) a welcome respite from all that.
(???) ost of all, Gopher needs more content and more people participating with
(SND) ervers.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - "Taking advantage of the obvious performance characteristics of YELLOW!" ---
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(???) The client could determine it by filename suffix. The binary type is
(???) generic anyway: I don't think a gopher client really knows what kind of
(???) binary file it's getting.
(???) ight. Firefox used to content-sniff some of this but Overbite doesn't.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] History and future of "the gopher project"
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(???) n Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) rote:
(???) Most of all, Gopher needs more content and more people participating with
(???) servers.
(???)
(IMG) agree. If anyone is interested in the Gopher and it's continued survival
(???) hen they would be encouraged to setup their own Gopherspaces(s) with good
(???) ontent!
(???) heers
(???) ames
(???) ames Mills / prologic
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(???) n Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun <
(???) iprian.craciun@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) Compare this with Gopher which doesn't have any caching control
(???) mechanism, thus if I go between two menus (or files) back-and-forth,
(???) although their content didn't changed, they will get downloaded again
(???) and again.
(???)
(???) Therefore if we take into account the HTTP caching ability, Gopher
(???) loses quite badly.
(???)
(IMG) kind of see Gopher a bit differently ;:)
(TN3) reat it as an "application protocol" if you will.
(IMG) f you switch back and forth between menus...
(???) ho's to say the content of those menus don't change each time? :)
(???) But on the bright side, I currently can see Gopher used perhaps in
(???) embedded software as a way to implement control dashboards or obtain
(???) debugging data. This is due to the protocols simplicity, where there
(???) is no need for a Gopher client or server library, and one can use a
(???) straight socket and be fully up-and-running, thus perhaps implement
(???) something resembling a CGI solution in ten lines of Bash.
(???)
(???) Precisely :)
(???) heers
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
(???) i, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
(???) href=3D"mailto:ciprian.craciun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ciprian.craciu=
(???) @gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
(???) =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Compare=
(???) this with Gopher which doesn't have any caching control<br>
(???) echanism, thus if I go between two menus (or files) back-and-forth,<br>
(???) lthough their content didn't changed, they will get downloaded again<b=
(???) >
(???) nd again.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) herefore if we take into account the HTTP caching ability, Gopher<br>
(???) oses quite badly.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I kind of see Gopher=
(???) a bit differently ;:)</div><div>Treat it as an "application protocol&=
(???) uot; if you will.</div><div><br></div><div>If you switch back and forth be=
(???) ween menus...</div><div>Who's to say the content of those menus don=
(BIN) ;t change each time? :)</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
(???) ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
(???) ">But on the bright side, I currently can see Gopher used perhaps in<br>
(???) mbedded software as a way to implement control dashboards or obtain<br>
(DOC) ebugging data.=C2=A0 This is due to the protocols simplicity, where there<=
(???) r>
s no need for a Gopher client or server library, and one can use a<br>
(SND) traight socket and be fully up-and-running, thus perhaps implement<br>
(SND) omething resembling a CGI solution in ten lines of Bash.<br>
(???) span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></blockquo=
(???) e><div>Precisely :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James</div><=
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(???) n Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) True, but because Gopher doesn=E2=80=99t have any metadata the client can=
(???) ot ask
(???) for, and cannot know if the reply is compressed or not. Gophernicus for
(???) example can easily be configured to gzip everything on the fly=E2=80=A6 b=
(???) t no
(???) gopher client will ever be able to understand what the hell is happening.
(???)
(???) uture clients or client modifications *can* by first reading /caps.txt
(???) f some attribute for servers that support "on the fly compression".
(???) If we want this we should open a new thread)
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
(???) n Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Kim Holviala <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:kim@holviala.com" target=3D"_blank">kim@holviala.com</a>></sp=
(???) n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
(???) order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":4wq" class=3D"a3s"=
(???) style=3D"overflow:hidden">True, but because Gopher doesn=E2=80=99t have an=
(???) metadata the client cannot ask for, and cannot know if the reply is compr=
(???) ssed or not. Gophernicus for example can easily be configured to gzip ever=
(???) thing on the fly=E2=80=A6 but no gopher client will ever be able to unders=
(???) and what the hell is happening.<div class=3D"yj6qo ajU"><div id=3D":50u" c=
(???) ass=3D"ajR" tabindex=3D"0"></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>Future=
(???) clients or client modifications *can* by first reading /caps.txt</div><div=
(???) class=3D"gmail_extra">of some attribute for servers that support "on =
(???) he fly compression".</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">(If we want this=
(???) we should open a new thread)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><di=
(???) class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">James</div><=
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