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(???) awaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process
ts state payroll:
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
(???) vetica,sans-serif">Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol appli=
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(???) n 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
(???) Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process
(???) its state payroll:
(???)
(???)
(???) http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrade-states-sorry-technology/
(???) A consulting job...or a freight account!
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) erhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's .
(IMG) f they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-)
(???) r would two VAX 4000-105A's =E2=80=8Ewith a DSSI bus be a better solution.=
(???) ..
(???) ans
(???) erzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
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(???) erzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51
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(???) nderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for so=
(???) eone on this list
(???) n 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
(???) Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process
(???) its state payroll:
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgr=
(???) de-states-sorry-technology/
(???) consulting job...or a freight account!
(???) Dave
(???) -=20
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:11:39PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote:
(???) Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's .
(???) If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-)
(???) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's ‎with a DSSI bus be a better solution....
(???) Hans
(IMG) f they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a
(???) ridge to unibus.
(???) P
(???)
(???) Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
(???) Â Origineel bericht Â
(???) Van: Dave McGuire
(???) Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51
(???) Aan: hecnet@Update.UU.SE; SIMH
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(???) Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list
(???)
(???) On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
(???) > Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process
(???) > its state payroll:
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrade-states-sorry-technology/
(???)
(???) A consulting job...or a freight account!
(???)
(???) -Dave
(???)
(???) --
(???) Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) New Kensington, PA
(???) rom owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE Mon Nov 10 21:38:21 2014
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(???) eah, right but then again what unibus unique =E2=80=8Eperipherals would a =
(PNG) ayroll program need other than disks and tape drives :-/
(???) erzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
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(???) n Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:11:39PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote:
(???) Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's .
(???) If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units =
(???) -)
(???) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's =E2=80=8Ewith a DSSI bus be a better solutio=
(???) ....
(???) Hans
(IMG) f they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a=20
(???) ridge to unibus.
(???) P
(???) =20
(???) Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
(???) =C2=A0 Origineel bericht =C2=A0
(???) Van: Dave McGuire
(???) Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51
(???) Aan: hecnet@Update.UU.SE; SIMH
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(???) Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for =
(SND) omeone on this list
(???) =20
(???) On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
(???) > Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process
(???) > its state payroll:
(???) >=20
(???) >=20
(???) > http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-up=
(GIF) rade-states-sorry-technology/
(???) =20
(???) A consulting job...or a freight account!
(???) =20
(???) -Dave
(???) =20
(???) --=20
(???) Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) New Kensington, PA
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(???) n Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:32:25PM +0100, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
(???)
(???) If they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a
(???) bridge to unibus.
(???)
(???) mm I wonder if such a thing exists. Unibus-to-qbus
(???) xists at least.
(???) P
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(???) line printer?
(IMG) said if..
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(???) n Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:38:17PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote:
(???) Yeah, right but then again what unibus unique
(???) ‎peripherals would a payroll program need other than
(???) disks and tape drives :-/
(???)
(???) Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
(???) Â Origineel bericht Â
(???) Van: Pontus Pihlgren
(???) Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 21:32
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(???) Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list
(???)
(???) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:11:39PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote:
(???) > Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's .
(???) > If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-)
(???) > Or would two VAX 4000-105A's ‎with a DSSI bus be a better solution....
(???) > Hans
(???)
(???) If they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a
(???) bridge to unibus.
(???)
(???) /P
(???)
(???)
(???) >
(???) > Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
(???) > Â Origineel bericht Â
(???) > Van: Dave McGuire
(???) > Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51
(???) > Aan: hecnet@Update.UU.SE; SIMH
(???) > Beantwoorden: hecnet@Update.UU.SE
(???) > Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list
(???) >
(???) > On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
(???) > > Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process
(???) > > its state payroll:
(???) > >
(???) > >
(???) > > http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrade-states-sorry-technology/
(???) >
(???) > A consulting job...or a freight account!
(???) >
(???) > -Dave
(???) >
(???) > --
(???) > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) > New Kensington, PA
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(???) up, that's it. Gone are my dreams of setting up a high tech exporting
(???) irm between the Netherlands and Hawaii (and possibly even visiting the
sland).
(???) nd all that because I couldn't support a lineprinter (very likely a real
(???) P11) on a VAXstation 4000 model 60. :-\
(???) ans
(???) S
(IMG) STR a serial parallel interface but that might have connected a serial
(PNG) rinter to a parallel port, hmmm....
(???) ----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
(???) an: owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] Namens
(???) ontus Pihlgren
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(???) nderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for
(SND) omeone on this list
(???) line printer?
(IMG) said if..
(???) P
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(???) ECserver-250 would fix this! :-)
(???) Steve=20
(???) -----Original Message-----
(???) From: owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE=20
(???) [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Hans Vlems
(???) Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 16:23
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(???) Yup, that's it. Gone are my dreams of setting up a high tech=20
(???) exporting firm between the Netherlands and Hawaii (and=20
(???) possibly even visiting the island).
(???) And all that because I couldn't support a lineprinter (very=20
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(???) LP11) on a VAXstation 4000 model 60. :-\ Hans
(???) =20
(???) PS
(???) ISTR a serial parallel interface but that might have=20
(???) connected a serial printer to a parallel port, hmmm....
(???) =20
(???) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
(???) Van: owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE=20
(???) [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] Namens Pontus Pihlgren
(???) Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 21:40
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(???) Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting=20
(???) Job here for someone on this list
(???) =20
(???) A line printer?
(???) =20
(???) I said if..
(???) =20
(???) /P
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) =20
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(IMG) wonder if it is even VMS. I had to do work for some fine company with a
(???) icketing monoploy, which used VAXen, but had a custom OS, which tied them
(???) o not only VAX hardware, but a specific model.
(TN3) he best part was their networking which involved UDP and a custom terminal
(???) pplication. To make them secure they used DoD IPs which is great when one
(???) f your other clients is the DoD.
(TN3) hey had never seen PPTP before, and were taken aback when I had their
(???) pplication running in a new building that day.. And even showed them it
(???) unning over a VPN over the internet. Apparently that was something that
(???) hey had been struggling with. Oh well, 2002 was a million years ago.
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(???)
(???) Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's .
(???) If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units
(???) :-)
(???) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's ?with a DSSI bus be a better solution....
(???) Hans
(???)
(???) Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
(???) Origineel bericht
(???) Van: Dave McGuire
(???) Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51
(???) Aan: hecnet@Update.UU.SE; SIMH
(???) Beantwoorden: hecnet@Update.UU.SE
(???) Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for
(???) someone on this list
(???)
(???) On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
(???) > Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process
(???) > its state payroll:
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgra
(???) de-states-sorry-technology/
(???)
(???) A consulting job...or a freight account!
(???)
(???) -Dave
(???)
(???) --
(???) Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) New Kensington, PA
(???)
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(???) vening,
(???) hat IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume
t's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner
(???) ould bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???) ust curious.
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
(HTM) ttp://gewt.net Personal stuff
(HTM) ttp://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n Nov 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) Evening,
(???) =20
(???) What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assum=
(???) it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner=
(???) would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(IMG) f it was copyrighted originally, that copyright is certainly still valid. =
(???) Anything that didn=92t expire prior to the last set of changes will remain=
(???) valid for decades, thanks to the Mickey Mouse Protection Act.
(IMG) nteresting question who owns it. Did HP get that piece of DEC?
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(???) On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:47 PM, <Paul_Koning@Dell.com> =
(???) Paul_Koning@Dell.com> wrote:
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(???) On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) =20
(???) > Evening,
(???) >=20
(???) > What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I =
(???) ssume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current =
(???) opyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???) =20
(???) If it was copyrighted originally, that copyright is certainly still =
(???) alid. Anything that didn=92t expire prior to the last set of changes =
(???) ill remain valid for decades, thanks to the Mickey Mouse Protection =
(???) ct.
(???) =20
(???) Interesting question who owns it. Did HP get that piece of DEC?
(IMG) f I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes =
(???) ent elsewhere.
(???) brian=
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(???) n Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
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(???) If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere.
(???)
(???) entec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10
(SND) tuff...did it?
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(IMG) don't believe so.
(???) brian
(???) On Nov 14, 2014, at 20:13, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) =20
(???) > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
(???) >=20
(???) >=20
(???) > If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes wen=
(???) elsewhere.
(???) =20
(???) Mentec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10 stuff..=
(???) did it?
(???) =20
(???) > -brian
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(???) --=20
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(???) ello!
(???) entec seems to have departed from the scene. As for the -11 stuff,
(???) here's a site who claims to be its owner. Look at the site that our
(???) riend runs for SIMH, there's an reference to it.
(???) ----
(???) regg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???) n Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote:
(???) I don't believe so.
(???)
(???) -brian
(???)
(???) > On Nov 14, 2014, at 20:13, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
(???) >>
(???) >>
(???) >> If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere.
(???) >
(???) > Mentec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10 stuff...did it?
(???) >
(???) >> -brian
(???) >
(???) > --
(???) > Cory Smelosky
(???) > http://gewt.net Personal stuff
(???) > http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n 11/14/14 4:43 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I
(???) assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current
(???) copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???)
(???) Just curious.
(HTM) ttp://www.36bit.org/dec/license.html
(TN3) im Shoppa's site seems to be under active maintenance, but I believe
(???) nother text copy of the license is there as well.
(???) Ryan
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(???) n 2014-11-15 11:57, Ryan Blair wrote:
(???) On 11/14/14 4:43 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???)
(???) > What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I
(???) > assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current
(???) > copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???) >
(???) > Just curious.
(???)
(???) http://www.36bit.org/dec/license.html
(???)
(???) Tim Shoppa's site seems to be under active maintenance, but I believe
(???) another text copy of the license is there as well.
(???) es. And that covers hobbyist use of TOPS-10/20. However, as to the
(???) ther part of the question - what is the legal status and who owns it,
(???) he answer is that it is still under copyright.
(???) nd the owners are XKL, who bought it all from DEC. And they still use
t as well.
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(???) n 2014-11-14 16:43, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) Evening,
(???)
(???) What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I
(???) assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current
(???) copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???) y the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect
(???) heir rights?
(TN3) his whole attitude scares me a little.
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(???) n 2014-11-14 16:47, Paul_Koning@Dell.com wrote:
(???)
(???) On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???)
(???) > Evening,
(???) >
(???) > What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???)
(???) If it was copyrighted originally, that copyright is certainly still valid. Anything that didn’t expire prior to the last set of changes will remain valid for decades, thanks to the Mickey Mouse Protection Act.
(???)
(???) Interesting question who owns it. Did HP get that piece of DEC?
(???) lready answered, but I might as well repeat it.
(???) es, it's still copyrighted, as you say Paul.
(???) o, HP never got their hands on it. DEC sold it all to XKL as XKL was in
(???) he business of making yet another PDP-10. And XKL eventually did
(DOC) eliver that machine. Almost none sold, however.
(???) nd as a part, XKL also made some further development as well as porting
(???) ots of GNU stuff over to TOPS-20.
(???) KL is sortof still using bit and pieces of the software. And XKL did
(PNG) retty much go down the same path as Cisco, which ironically also
(SND) tarted out as a plan to build a PDP-10. They just got sidetracked into
(DOC) oing network gear. XKL at least have a PDP-10 in the center of their
(???) etwork gear. :-)
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(???) n 11/15/2014 03:49 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) On 2014-11-14 16:43, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) > Evening,
(???) >
(???) > What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I
(???) > assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current
(???) > copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???)
(???) By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect
(???) their rights?
(???) This whole attitude scares me a little.
(???) In this case, it's because the rights are to a decades-old OS that is
(???) iewed by the business world as being nothing more than a long-dead
(HTM) istorical curiosity.
(???) We know it's awesome, and we understand why, but let's put it this
(???) ay...Windows is fast disappearing, and it's not exactly TOPS-10/20
(???) hat's killing it.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n 2014-11-14 17:55, Gregg Levine wrote:
(???) Hello!
(???) Mentec seems to have departed from the scene. As for the -11 stuff,
(???) there's a site who claims to be its owner. Look at the site that our
(???) friend runs for SIMH, there's an reference to it.
(TN3) he current owners of the PDP-11 software is XX2247 LLC. I doubt it's a
(SND) ecret anymore.
(???) -----
(???) Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???)
(???)
(???) On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko@4amlunch.net> wrote:
(???) > I don't believe so.
(???) >
(???) > -brian
(???) >
(???) >> On Nov 14, 2014, at 20:13, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) >>
(???) >>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>
(???) >>> If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere.
(???) >>
(???) >> Mentec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10 stuff...did it?
(???) >>
(???) >>> -brian
(???) >>
(???) >> --
(???) >> Cory Smelosky
(???) >> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
(???) >> http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) On 2014-11-14 16:43, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) > Evening,
(???) >
(???) > What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I
(???) > assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current
(???) > copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???)
(???) By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect their
(???) rights?
(???) This whole attitude scares me a little.
(???)
(IMG) can't imagine the profits from TOPS-10/20 would exceed the legal
(???) ees...correct me if I am wrong as to what current major use of the code
s.
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
(HTM) ttp://gewt.net Personal stuff
(HTM) ttp://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n 2014-11-15 12:55, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/15/2014 03:49 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) > On 2014-11-14 16:43, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) >> Evening,
(???) >>
(???) >> What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I
(???) >> assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current
(???) >> copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it.
(???) >
(???) > By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect
(???) > their rights?
(???) > This whole attitude scares me a little.
(???)
(???) In this case, it's because the rights are to a decades-old OS that is
(???) viewed by the business world as being nothing more than a long-dead
(???) historical curiosity.
(TN3) hat is a mistaken assumption. Just because most have long since
(???) orgotten it does not mean it is dead.
(???) We know it's awesome, and we understand why, but let's put it this
(???) way...Windows is fast disappearing, and it's not exactly TOPS-10/20
(???) that's killing it.
(???) eah. Not sure how relevant that is, though.
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(???) n 11/15/2014 04:31 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >> By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect
(???) >> their rights?
(???) >> This whole attitude scares me a little.
(???) >
(???) > In this case, it's because the rights are to a decades-old OS that is
(???) > viewed by the business world as being nothing more than a long-dead
(???) > historical curiosity.
(???)
(???) That is a mistaken assumption. Just because most have long since
(???) forgotten it does not mean it is dead.
(???) Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I love those OSs too. But
(???) hat's not the point.
(???) > We know it's awesome, and we understand why, but let's put it this
(???) > way...Windows is fast disappearing, and it's not exactly TOPS-10/20
(???) > that's killing it.
(???)
(???) Yeah. Not sure how relevant that is, though.
(???) It's very relevant. TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 are great OSs, I will never
(DOC) ispute that, but they are no longer commercially viable in the
(???) ainstream. We will never see TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 for sale to the
(PNG) ublic in retail packages. Further, it's highly unlikely that we'll see
t making serious inroads in data center use.
(???) Neither Dell, Apple, IBM, nor HP will be selling TOPS-10/TOPS-20
(???) achines anytime soon. That's really all it boils down to. It *is* a
(DOC) ead platform, commercially speaking.
(???) It's certainly possible (IMO) that it could be brought into this era
(???) echnologically, as it has a good base to build on, but I don't know of
(???) ny companies or investors who would support such work. I think it
(SND) hould happen, but it likely will not.
(???) Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(HTM) ave a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) lothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) etal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
(???) ater, and you rub the clothes on it to flush out the dirt. If the wash
(???) oard is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) nlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) e worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???)
(???) Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(???) have a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) clothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) metal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
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(???) board is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) unlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) be worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???)
(IMG) think the washboard would've gone the way of the Audion...the patent
(???) xpired if it WAS patented.
(???) -Dave
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
(HTM) ttp://gewt.net Personal stuff
(HTM) ttp://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n 11/15/2014 04:45 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) > Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(???) > have a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) > clothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) > metal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
(???) > water, and you rub the clothes on it to flush out the dirt. If the wash
(???) > board is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) > unlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) > be worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???) >
(???)
(???) I think the washboard would've gone the way of the Audion...the patent
(???) expired if it WAS patented.
(???) Yes, but surely you see my point.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/15/2014 04:45 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) >> Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(???) >> have a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) >> clothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) >> metal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
(???) >> water, and you rub the clothes on it to flush out the dirt. If the wash
(???) >> board is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) >> unlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) >> be worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > I think the washboard would've gone the way of the Audion...the patent
(???) > expired if it WAS patented.
(???)
(???) Yes, but surely you see my point.
(???)
(IMG) do, I'm just being a smartass. ;)
(???) -Dave
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
(HTM) ttp://gewt.net Personal stuff
(HTM) ttp://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) h...this is gonna seem a little strange...
(???) oes anyone have a copy of Kermit somewhere DECNET accessible...along with
(HTM) ow I can get
(???) dir 1.13::
(???) Node: 1.13
(???) User: decnet\
(???) Password:
(???) ystem Password:
(???) NFT -- Connection rejected to node 1.13
(???) NFT -- Access not permitted
(???) o behave happily for guest access?
(IMG) 'd copy it locally...but for some strange reason LAT to my VAXstation
(HEX) 000/60 results in a reboot...it also appears confused about its license
(SND) tatus.
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(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) n 2014-11-15 13:38, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/15/2014 04:31 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >>> By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect
(???) >>> their rights?
(???) >>> This whole attitude scares me a little.
(???) >>
(???) >> In this case, it's because the rights are to a decades-old OS that is
(???) >> viewed by the business world as being nothing more than a long-dead
(???) >> historical curiosity.
(???) >
(???) > That is a mistaken assumption. Just because most have long since
(???) > forgotten it does not mean it is dead.
(???)
(???) Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I love those OSs too. But
(???) that's not the point.
(???) greed.
(???) >> We know it's awesome, and we understand why, but let's put it this
(???) >> way...Windows is fast disappearing, and it's not exactly TOPS-10/20
(???) >> that's killing it.
(???) >
(???) > Yeah. Not sure how relevant that is, though.
(???)
(???) It's very relevant. TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 are great OSs, I will never
(???) dispute that, but they are no longer commercially viable in the
(???) mainstream. We will never see TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 for sale to the
(???) public in retail packages. Further, it's highly unlikely that we'll see
(???) it making serious inroads in data center use.
(???)
(???) Neither Dell, Apple, IBM, nor HP will be selling TOPS-10/TOPS-20
(???) machines anytime soon. That's really all it boils down to. It *is* a
(???) dead platform, commercially speaking.
(???) o. You are making the wrong assumption that it has to be a generic OS
(???) or sale to the public in order for it to have any commercial value, or
(???) o be a viable product of any sort.
(???) It's certainly possible (IMO) that it could be brought into this era
(???) technologically, as it has a good base to build on, but I don't know of
(???) any companies or investors who would support such work. I think it
(???) should happen, but it likely will not.
(???)
(???) Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(???) have a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) clothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) metal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
(???) water, and you rub the clothes on it to flush out the dirt. If the wash
(???) board is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) unlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) be worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???) nalogies are always problematic.
(???) onsider this - a piece of software used in embedded applications is a
(PNG) iece of software you will probably never hear of. Might not even be
(PNG) ossible to buy if you tried. Does that mean it is dead, or have no value?
(TN3) his is the state of TOPS-20 at the moment. It is being used as embedded
(SND) oftware, that you'll never see, or hear of. But it's still alive.
(???) ut more broadly speaking, any kind of software have the same issue.
(???) ust because you do not see it used anywhere does not mean this is not
(???) he case. Assuming noone cares anymore just because you cannot find it
(???) sed anywhere does not work. And even when noone actually do not care
(???) nymore, it is still sad when it is assumed that you can take liberties
(???) ased on that assumption.
(???) on't get me wrong here, I'm not condemning those who want to run cool
(SND) oftware, or play with odd technology, and feel that there is no legal
(???) ay of doing that. I just dislike when people try to present it in a way
(???) hat make it sound like it was actually legal/ok/right.
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) This is the state of TOPS-20 at the moment. It is being used as embedded
(???) software, that you'll never see, or hear of. But it's still alive.
(???)
(IMG) am very interested in the embedded use of TOPS-20, do you happen to know
(???) f a specific (documented...I want to know all about the thing if
t runs TOPS-20!) product using it?
(???) But more broadly speaking, any kind of software have the same issue. Just
(???) because you do not see it used anywhere does not mean this is not the case.
(???) Assuming noone cares anymore just because you cannot find it used anywhere
(???) does not work. And even when noone actually do not care anymore, it is still
(???) sad when it is assumed that you can take liberties based on that assumption.
(???)
(???) Don't get me wrong here, I'm not condemning those who want to run cool
(???) software, or play with odd technology, and feel that there is no legal way of
(???) doing that. I just dislike when people try to present it in a way that make
(???) it sound like it was actually legal/ok/right.
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
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(???) n 11/15/2014 05:10 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) > It's certainly possible (IMO) that it could be brought into this era
(???) > technologically, as it has a good base to build on, but I don't know of
(???) > any companies or investors who would support such work. I think it
(???) > should happen, but it likely will not.
(???) >
(???) > Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(???) > have a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) > clothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) > metal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
(???) > water, and you rub the clothes on it to flush out the dirt. If the wash
(???) > board is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) > unlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) > be worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???)
(???) Analogies are always problematic.
(???)
(???) Consider this - a piece of software used in embedded applications is a
(???) piece of software you will probably never hear of. Might not even be
(???) possible to buy if you tried.
(???) Well yes, I understand that. I am an embedded systems developer. But
(SND) ee below.
(???) Does that mean it is dead, or have no value?
(???)
(???) This is the state of TOPS-20 at the moment. It is being used as embedded
(???) software, that you'll never see, or hear of. But it's still alive.
(???) I'm aware of the use of the XKL chipset's application in the network
(SND) witches, but I was unaware of their use of TOPS-20. I thought they
(???) ere running a bare-metal firmware load written for that purpose. Is
(???) his not the case, are they actually running TOPS-20, or at least some
(PNG) art(s) of it, on those embedded processors?
(???) If so, I need to pull a few strings and get my hands on one. Or several.
(???) But more broadly speaking, any kind of software have the same issue.
(???) Just because you do not see it used anywhere does not mean this is not
(???) the case. Assuming noone cares anymore just because you cannot find it
(???) used anywhere does not work. And even when noone actually do not care
(???) anymore, it is still sad when it is assumed that you can take liberties
(???) based on that assumption.
(???)
(???) Don't get me wrong here, I'm not condemning those who want to run cool
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(???) way of doing that. I just dislike when people try to present it in a way
(???) that make it sound like it was actually legal/ok/right.
(???) Understood and agreed.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) ello!
(TN3) hat's my job.
(???) eriously though Johnny, the problem behind the problem that Cory is
(???) orried about is simple. Being sued by some <DELETED!> individual with
(???) ess common sense concerning the OS he wants to use properly.
(???) nd that <DELETED!> individual insists otherwise hence the silly lawsuit.
(???) nd incidentally only here in this country can this happen.
(???) reposterous! isn't it?
(???) ----
(???) regg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???) n Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) On Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???)
(???) > On 11/15/2014 04:45 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(???) >>> have a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) >>> clothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) >>> metal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
(???) >>> water, and you rub the clothes on it to flush out the dirt. If the wash
(???) >>> board is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) >>> unlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) >>> be worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???) >>>
(???) >>
(???) >> I think the washboard would've gone the way of the Audion...the patent
(???) >> expired if it WAS patented.
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > Yes, but surely you see my point.
(???) >
(???)
(???) I do, I'm just being a smartass. ;)
(???)
(???)
(???) > -Dave
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???) --
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(???) n 2014-11-15 14:04, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) Uh...this is gonna seem a little strange...
(???)
(???) Does anyone have a copy of Kermit somewhere DECNET accessible...along
(???) with how I can get
(???) $ dir 1.13::
(???) Node: 1.13
(???) User: decnet\
(???) Password:
(???) System Password:
(???) ?NFT -- Connection rejected to node 1.13
(???) ?NFT -- Access not permitted
(???)
(???) to behave happily for guest access?
(???) s for KERMIT - For what system? :-)
(???) s for accessing MIM, just enable outgoing proxy in NCP. Or else use
(???) UEST/GUEST.
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) On 2014-11-15 14:04, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) > Uh...this is gonna seem a little strange...
(???) >
(???) > Does anyone have a copy of Kermit somewhere DECNET accessible...along
(???) > with how I can get
(???) > $ dir 1.13::
(???) > Node: 1.13
(???) > User: decnet\
(???) > Password:
(???) > System Password:
(???) > ?NFT -- Connection rejected to node 1.13
(???) > ?NFT -- Access not permitted
(???) >
(???) > to behave happily for guest access?
(???)
(???) As for KERMIT - For what system? :-)
(???)
(???) STS/E 10.1, 11/23+ 512K(bytes) of memory.
(???) As for accessing MIM, just enable outgoing proxy in NCP. Or else use
(???) GUEST/GUEST.
(IMG) should probably definitely figure out ncp on RSTS/E
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) n 2014-11-15 14:13, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) On Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???)
(???) > This is the state of TOPS-20 at the moment. It is being used as
(???) > embedded software, that you'll never see, or hear of. But it's still
(???) > alive.
(???) >
(???)
(???) I am very interested in the embedded use of TOPS-20, do you happen to
(???) know of a specific (documented...I want to know all about the thing if
(???) it runs TOPS-20!) product using it?
(???) nfortunately I do not have much details. I was at the Living Computer
(???) useum and talked with RIch Alderson, who used to work at XKL. And he
(SND) howed me a newer generation router from XKL, opened up, at LCM. And
(???) hey use a PDP-10 on a chip, and it was actually running TOPS-20, and I
(???) ould play around at the EXEC level in there.
(???) ut for normal usage, customers would just see this as a router from
(???) KL, with a command interface, in addition to SNMP. No way they would
(???) ver know that it's actually TOPS-20 in there.
(IMG) do not know if they use this same setup in all their products, or just
(SND) ome. And I don't remember exactly what product LCM at on display. But I
(???) an check that up next week, as I am in Seattle then.
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(???) n 2014-11-15 14:19, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/15/2014 05:10 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >> It's certainly possible (IMO) that it could be brought into this era
(???) >> technologically, as it has a good base to build on, but I don't know of
(???) >> any companies or investors who would support such work. I think it
(???) >> should happen, but it likely will not.
(???) >>
(???) >> Think of it this way. Remember "wash boards"? I don't know if you
(???) >> have a different term for them in Sweden, but they are how we washed
(???) >> clothes a century ago, before automated washing machines. It's a rough
(???) >> metal plate in a wooden frame that sticks out of a bucket of soapy
(???) >> water, and you rub the clothes on it to flush out the dirt. If the wash
(???) >> board is patented, and someone still owns that patent, it's very
(???) >> unlikely that anyone in the business world would consider that patent to
(???) >> be worth anything, for the obvious reason.
(???) >
(???) > Analogies are always problematic.
(???) >
(???) > Consider this - a piece of software used in embedded applications is a
(???) > piece of software you will probably never hear of. Might not even be
(???) > possible to buy if you tried.
(???)
(???) Well yes, I understand that. I am an embedded systems developer. But
(???) see below.
(???)
(???) > Does that mean it is dead, or have no value?
(???) >
(???) > This is the state of TOPS-20 at the moment. It is being used as embedded
(???) > software, that you'll never see, or hear of. But it's still alive.
(???)
(???) I'm aware of the use of the XKL chipset's application in the network
(???) switches, but I was unaware of their use of TOPS-20. I thought they
(???) were running a bare-metal firmware load written for that purpose. Is
(???) this not the case, are they actually running TOPS-20, or at least some
(???) part(s) of it, on those embedded processors?
(???)
(???) If so, I need to pull a few strings and get my hands on one. Or several.
(???) es, they are running TOPS-20. But exactly how much of it, I can't tell.
(IMG) 'm no expert on TOPS-20, and mostly go on what I can recall Rich
(???) lderson telling me.
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???)
(???) Unfortunately I do not have much details. I was at the Living Computer Museum
(???) and talked with RIch Alderson, who used to work at XKL. And he showed me a
(???) newer generation router from XKL, opened up, at LCM. And they use a PDP-10 on
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(???) EXEC level in there.
(???)
(???) ery, very interesting!
(???) But for normal usage, customers would just see this as a router from XKL,
(???) with a command interface, in addition to SNMP. No way they would ever know
(???) that it's actually TOPS-20 in there.
(???)
(???) uh. Dave and I'll need to pull some strings...;)
(???) I do not know if they use this same setup in all their products, or just
(???) some. And I don't remember exactly what product LCM at on display. But I can
(???) check that up next week, as I am in Seattle then.
(???)
(???) lease do! I am very interested!
(???) ee if they've gotten anywhere with getting the rights to release the
(???) ompuServe Monitor source, too.
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) n 2014-11-15 14:28, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) On 2014-11-15 14:04, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) > Uh...this is gonna seem a little strange...
(???) >
(???) > Does anyone have a copy of Kermit somewhere DECNET accessible...along
(???) > with how I can get
(???) > $ dir 1.13::
(???) > Node: 1.13
(???) > User: decnet\
(???) > Password:
(???) > System Password:
(???) > ?NFT -- Connection rejected to node 1.13
(???) > ?NFT -- Access not permitted
(???) >
(???) > to behave happily for guest access?
(???)
(???) As for KERMIT - For what system? :-)
(???) oh! That was in the subject line... Sorry...
(???) mm. I could probably help with that, if you haven't figured something
(???) ut. Later today...
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???)
(???) Doh! That was in the subject line... Sorry...
(???) o worries.
(???) Hmm. I could probably help with that, if you haven't figured something out.
(???) Later today...
(IMG) 'm stumped on exactly which binary/source files I'd need to copy. ;)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
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(???) n 2014-11-15 14:29, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) On Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???)
(???) > On 2014-11-15 14:04, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) >> Uh...this is gonna seem a little strange...
(???) >>
(???) >> Does anyone have a copy of Kermit somewhere DECNET accessible...along
(???) >> with how I can get
(???) >> $ dir 1.13::
(???) >> Node: 1.13
(???) >> User: decnet\
(???) >> Password:
(???) >> System Password:
(???) >> ?NFT -- Connection rejected to node 1.13
(???) >> ?NFT -- Access not permitted
(???) >>
(???) >> to behave happily for guest access?
(???) >
(???) > As for KERMIT - For what system? :-)
(???) >
(???)
(???) RSTS/E 10.1, 11/23+ 512K(bytes) of memory.
(???) eah. Sorry. I should pay closer attention... On MIM, you have the
(???) atest KERMIT-11 that was generic for all OSes. But I know that someone
(???) at the moment the name escapes me) wrote some further development that
(???) nly worked on RT-11 and I think RSTS/E, which I do not have on MIM.
(???) ut check MIM::DU:[KERMIT]
(???) > As for accessing MIM, just enable outgoing proxy in NCP. Or else use
(???) > GUEST/GUEST.
(???)
(???) I should probably definitely figure out ncp on RSTS/E
(???) omewhere in the back of my head is a brain cell saying that proxy
(???) ccess was not supported on RSTS/E... But RSTS/E is not my field of
(???) xpertise. For now, just use GUEST/GUEST, and you should atleast have
(???) ccess.
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >> As for KERMIT - For what system? :-)
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > RSTS/E 10.1, 11/23+ 512K(bytes) of memory.
(???)
(???) Yeah. Sorry. I should pay closer attention... On MIM, you have the latest
(???) KERMIT-11 that was generic for all OSes. But I know that someone (at the
(???) moment the name escapes me) wrote some further development that only worked
(???) on RT-11 and I think RSTS/E, which I do not have on MIM.
(???) But check MIM::DU:[KERMIT]
(???)
(IMG) 'll grab it and see if it works. I do however need to find out why my
(???) luster boot node keeps rebooting on DECnet/LAT accesses. More reason to
(GIF) et the 4000 up I guess. ;)
(???) >> As for accessing MIM, just enable outgoing proxy in NCP. Or else use
(???) >> GUEST/GUEST.
(???) >
(???) > I should probably definitely figure out ncp on RSTS/E
(???)
(???) Somewhere in the back of my head is a brain cell saying that proxy access was
(???) not supported on RSTS/E... But RSTS/E is not my field of expertise. For now,
(???) just use GUEST/GUEST, and you should atleast have access.
(???)
(???) up, that works...except on the VAX but it likely crashed shortly after
(???) ttempted login. Terminal powered back on.
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) n Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) >
(???)
(???) I'll grab it and see if it works. I do however need to find out why my
(???) cluster boot node keeps rebooting on DECnet/LAT accesses. More reason to get
(???) the 4000 up I guess. ;)
(???)
(???)
(???) Yup, that works...except on the VAX but it likely crashed shortly after
(???) attempted login. Terminal powered back on.
(???)
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???)
(???) copy 9.1::sys$specific:[decnet]k11.tsk k11.tsk
(???) Node: 9.1
(???) User: csmelosky
(???) Password:
(???) ystem Password:
(???) NFT -- Bad RFM field in FAB
(???) hat a helpful error message.
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) n 11/15/2014 05:34 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) Yes, they are running TOPS-20. But exactly how much of it, I can't tell.
(???) I'm no expert on TOPS-20, and mostly go on what I can recall Rich
(???) Alderson telling me.
(???) That's absolutely amazing. I have a few strings I can pull in that
(???) rowd; I will see what I can find out, and what I can get ahold of.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n 2014-11-15 15:10, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) On Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???)
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > I'll grab it and see if it works. I do however need to find out why
(???) > my cluster boot node keeps rebooting on DECnet/LAT accesses. More
(???) > reason to get the 4000 up I guess. ;)
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > Yup, that works...except on the VAX but it likely crashed shortly
(???) > after attempted login. Terminal powered back on.
(???) >
(???) >> Johnny
(???) >>
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???) $ copy 9.1::sys$specific:[decnet]k11.tsk k11.tsk
(???) Node: 9.1
(???) User: csmelosky
(???) Password:
(???) System Password:
(???) ?NFT -- Bad RFM field in FAB
(???)
(???) What a helpful error message.
(???) -)
(???) nyway, K11.TSK is probably not what you want, since all the TSK files
(???) n MIM are RSX images. You probably want to grab all the sources, and
(???) he command files, and build it yourself.
(IMG) checked, and there are definitely RSTS/E build files in there.
(???) s for the error message, knowing RMS helps. FAB is the File Access
(???) lock. RFM is (if I remember right) Record Format. Probably RSTS/E
(???) annot just grok the record format of that file. You can give switches
(???) o NFT under RSX at least, to tell what the format should be when copying...
(???) n MIM:
(???) nft help mode
(???) NFT has three modes of transfering the file data (BLOCK, RECORD and
(???) AUTOMATIC) and two file data types (IMAGE and ASCII).
(???) The default mode of transfer is AUTOMATIC (/AX). NFT selects either
(???) BLOCK or RECORD mode to copy the file data depending on the remote
(???) system type and the device involved.
(???) In BLOCK mode (/BK), the file data is copied in 512. byte blocks.
(???) Block mode allows more efficient transfer of Sequential Variable format
(???) files, And it is the only way NFT will transfer RMS Relative and
(???) Indexed Sequential files. The remote file system must be able to
(???) understand your file organizations, or the resultant files are useless.
(???) In RECORD mode, the file data is copied in records. The remote system
(???) can store the data in the manner used on that system. This less
(???) efficient since the individual records must be read and written to the
(???) file.
(???) The default data type, IMAGE (/IM), specifies that the file is to be
(???) transfered as 8 bit bytes and with no changes to the format.
(???) If the remote node does not support the current format or attributes
(???) the transfer will be rejected.
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(???) file system. In particular NFT will convert Variable format files
(???) to Stream format when transfering to an RT-11, RSTS/E, or TOPS-20
(???) systems. In order to properly convert these files, the ASCII switch
(???) will select RECORD mode transfer.
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(???) n Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) See if they've gotten anywhere with getting the rights to release the
(???) CompuServe Monitor source, too.
(???) oes this still exist??? I begged Gerry Moersdorf for a dump of the
(???) CSI drives in the CompuServe SC-40s. He was unable to do it. I really
(???) anted it too. :( And LCM will never give me a copy of theirs. :(((
(???) TW, anybody know if TYMCOM-X survives anywhere? (That's the
(TN3) ymshare/Tymnet one.)
(???) im
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(???) n Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Jim Carpenter wrote:
(???) On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) > See if they've gotten anywhere with getting the rights to release the
(???) > CompuServe Monitor source, too.
(???)
(???)
(???) Does this still exist??? I begged Gerry Moersdorf for a dump of the
(???) SCSI drives in the CompuServe SC-40s. He was unable to do it. I really
(???) wanted it too. :( And LCM will never give me a copy of theirs. :(((
(???)
(IMG) 'm betting the LCM is just stuck on copyright...I'm hoping anyway. It's
(???) ertainly their style to release it.
(???) BTW, anybody know if TYMCOM-X survives anywhere? (That's the
(???) Tymshare/Tymnet one.)
(IMG) hope so! I've tracked down TENEX, WAITS, TOPS-10/20, evidence of the
(???) ompuServe monitor, and FOONEX but never TYMCOM-X.
(???)
(???)
(???) Jim
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(???) n Nov 15, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
(???) ...
(???) Anyway, K11.TSK is probably not what you want, since all the TSK files on=
(???) MIM are RSX images. You probably want to grab all the sources, and the com=
(???) and files, and build it yourself.
(???) I checked, and there are definitely RSTS/E build files in there.
(IMG) haven=92t tried it, at least not much, with RSX images. But the emulatio=
(???) in RSTS is often able to run unmodified images from the other operating s=
(???) stems. It certainly works that way for RT11 emulation. It is true that u=
(SND) ing a RSTS/E build is preferable, if you can find one, because that will e=
(???) able some RSTS-specific things. But if all you can find is an RSX image, =
t=92s worth a try.
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(???) n Nov 15, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
(???) > ...
(???) > $ copy 9.1::sys$specific:[decnet]k11.tsk k11.tsk
(???) > Node: 9.1
(???) > User: csmelosky
(???) > Password:
(???) > System Password:
(???) > ?NFT -- Bad RFM field in FAB
(???) >=20
(???) > What a helpful error message.
(???) =20
(???) ...
(???) As for the error message, knowing RMS helps. FAB is the File Access Block=
(???) RFM is (if I remember right) Record Format. Probably RSTS/E cannot just g=
(???) ok the record format of that file. You can give switches to NFT under RSX =
(???) t least, to tell what the format should be when copying...
(???) STS uses RMS for this sort of thing, and yes, it certainly should understa=
(???) d RSX RMS files without further help. I wonder if RSX is sending somethin=
(GIF) bogus based on the fact that the remote system is RSTS. Hard to say with=
(???) ut seeing what is sent. =20
(IMG) t might be worth experimenting with block or record mode to see if that he=
(???) ps. Executables are fixed:512 files so it doesn=92t make a whole lot of d=
fference which mode is used. Another possibility might be to copy RSX to =
(???) MS and then VMS to RSTS.
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(???) n Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Paul_Koning@Dell.com wrote:
(???)
(???) On Nov 15, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
(???)
(???) >> ...
(???) >> $ copy 9.1::sys$specific:[decnet]k11.tsk k11.tsk
(???) >> Node: 9.1
(???) >> User: csmelosky
(???) >> Password:
(???) >> System Password:
(???) >> ?NFT -- Bad RFM field in FAB
(???) >>
(???) >> What a helpful error message.
(???) >
(???) > ...
(???) > As for the error message, knowing RMS helps. FAB is the File Access Block. RFM is (if I remember right) Record Format. Probably RSTS/E cannot just grok the record format of that file. You can give switches to NFT under RSX at least, to tell what the format should be when copying...
(???)
(???) RSTS uses RMS for this sort of thing, and yes, it certainly should understand RSX RMS files without further help. I wonder if RSX is sending something bogus based on the fact that the remote system is RSTS. Hard to say without seeing what is sent.
(???)
(BIN) .1 is VMS.
(???) It might be worth experimenting with block or record mode to see if that helps. Executables are fixed:512 files so it doesn?t make a whole lot of difference which mode is used. Another possibility might be to copy RSX to VMS and then VMS to RSTS.
(???)
(???) TP to VMS (image mode), VMS to RSTS is what game the error!
(???)
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(???) n Nov 17, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Paul_Koning@Dell.com wrote:
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(???) >=20
(???) > On Nov 15, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
(???) >=20
(???) >>> ...
(???) >>> $ copy 9.1::sys$specific:[decnet]k11.tsk k11.tsk
(???) >>> Node: 9.1
(???) >>> User: csmelosky
(???) >>> Password:
(???) >>> System Password:
(???) >>> ?NFT -- Bad RFM field in FAB
(???) >>>=20
(???) >>> What a helpful error message.
(???) >>=20
(???) >> ...
(???) >> As for the error message, knowing RMS helps. FAB is the File Access Blo=
(???) k. RFM is (if I remember right) Record Format. Probably RSTS/E cannot just=
(???) grok the record format of that file. You can give switches to NFT under RS=
(???) at least, to tell what the format should be when copying...
(???) >=20
(???) > RSTS uses RMS for this sort of thing, and yes, it certainly should under=
(SND) tand RSX RMS files without further help. I wonder if RSX is sending somet=
(HTM) ing bogus based on the fact that the remote system is RSTS. Hard to say w=
thout seeing what is sent.
(???) >=20
(???) =20
(???) 9.1 is VMS.
(???) =20
(???) > It might be worth experimenting with block or record mode to see if that=
(???) helps. Executables are fixed:512 files so it doesn?t make a whole lot of =
(DOC) ifference which mode is used. Another possibility might be to copy RSX to=
(???) VMS and then VMS to RSTS.
(???) >=20
(???) =20
(???) FTP to VMS (image mode), VMS to RSTS is what game the error!
(???) ops, I misunderstood, I thought the file was coming from RSX. What does V=
(???) S claim the RMS attributes are for that file? If it started out with FTP,=
(???) it may be something odd, like stream. I don=92t remember how to query RMS=
(???) attributes on VMS, but I assume there is a way.
(???) n alternative way to transfer files that give NFT trouble is to back then =
(???) p, then send the backupset. RSTS can read VMS backupsets (if you have a s=
(???) fficiently new RSTS =97 V9.0 or later, if I remember correctly). Backupse=
(???) s are fixed record sequential files, which in general should copy just fin=
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(???) n Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Jim Carpenter <jim@deitygraveyard.com>
(???) rote:
(???) On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) > See if they've gotten anywhere with getting the rights to release the
(???) > CompuServe Monitor source, too.
(???)
(???)
(???) Does this still exist??? I begged Gerry Moersdorf for a dump of the
(???) SCSI drives in the CompuServe SC-40s. He was unable to do it. I really
(???) wanted it too. :( And LCM will never give me a copy of theirs. :(((
(???)
(IMG) f I remember correctly, Compuserve was using Foonlys towards the end,
(SND) ince they were much more economical to run than the Systems Concepts
(???) achines. Maybe someone can comment.
(???)
(???) BTW, anybody know if TYMCOM-X survives anywhere? (That's the
(???) Tymshare/Tymnet one.)
(???)
(IMG) was a TYMCOM-X "user" of sorts. Joe Smith, formerly of Tymshare, may
(PNG) ossibly know what happened to the code, if you ask him nicely. :) His
(SND) ite is here: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/
(???) Mark
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(???) n Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Jim Carpenter <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
(???) =3D"mailto:jim@deitygraveyard.com" target=3D"_blank">jim@deitygraveyard.co=
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(???) ;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Sat, Nov 15=
(???) 2014 at 5:35 PM, Cory Smelosky <<a href=3D"mailto:b4@gewt.net">b4@gewt=
(???) net</a>> wrote:<br>
(???) gt; See if they've gotten anywhere with getting the rights to release =
(???) he<br>
(???) gt; CompuServe Monitor source, too.<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>Does this still exist??? I begged Gerry Moersdorf for a dump of the<=
(???) r>
(???) CSI drives in the CompuServe SC-40s. He was unable to do it. I really<br>
(???) anted it too. :(=C2=A0 And LCM will never give me a copy of theirs. :(((<b=
(???) ></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If I remember correctly, Compuserve was =
(???) sing Foonlys towards the end, since they were much more economical to run =
(???) han the Systems Concepts machines.=C2=A0 Maybe someone can comment.</div><=
(DOC) iv>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
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(???) br>
(???) TW, anybody know if TYMCOM-X survives anywhere? (That's the<br>
(TN3) ymshare/Tymnet one.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was a TYMCOM-X =
(???) quot;user" of sorts.=C2=A0 Joe Smith, formerly of Tymshare, may possi=
(???) ly know what happened to the code, if you ask him nicely. =C2=A0:) =C2=A0H=
s site is here: <a href=3D"http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/">http://www.inwap.c=
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(???) n Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 04:23:38PM -0800, Mark Abene wrote:
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(???) If I remember correctly, Compuserve was using Foonlys towards the end,
(???) since they were much more economical to run than the Systems Concepts
(???) machines. Maybe someone can comment.
(TN3) hat sounds backwards. At least the F1 was a very complex
(???) achine even requiring a DeC PDP-10 to even boot. The SC-40 was
(???) omparatively nimble. Lpok at gerrys youtibe videos.
(IMG) don't know much about the later foonlys. I'd like to know
(???) ore.
(???) P
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(???) n 2014-11-17 07:55, Paul_Koning@Dell.com wrote:
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(???) On Nov 15, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
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(???) > ...
(???) > Anyway, K11.TSK is probably not what you want, since all the TSK files on MIM are RSX images. You probably want to grab all the sources, and the command files, and build it yourself.
(???) > I checked, and there are definitely RSTS/E build files in there.
(???)
(???) I haven’t tried it, at least not much, with RSX images. But the emulation in RSTS is often able to run unmodified images from the other operating systems. It certainly works that way for RT11 emulation. It is true that using a RSTS/E build is preferable, if you can find one, because that will enable some RSTS-specific things. But if all you can find is an RSX image, it’s worth a try.
(???) es, many RSX images will work. And I have not checked if KERMIT do
(SND) omething tricky or not. If it's just plain RSX code, then it could work
(???) ust fine under RSTS/E. If they use ASTs to actually deal with things in
(???) n asynchronous manner, or more odd RSX stuff, then the RSTS/E emulation
(???) ayer might not be enough.
(IMG) know that there are separate build files and pieces for RSTS/E in
(???) ERMIT-11, and since those files are available, I would just grab it all
(???) from MIM:: for example) and built it myself.
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(???) ou're likely right, and I had it backwards (SC versus Foonly).
(???) n the other note, it would be really cool to revive TYMCOM-X and its dev
(???) nvironment (excluding the Tymnet Engine node-code generation tools). But
t's very possible that British Telecom wouldn't allow that to happen, if
n fact they still hold all the copyrights that they absorbed from
(???) cquiring Tymnet and Tymshare.
(???) M
(???) n Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus@update.uu.se>
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(???) On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 04:23:38PM -0800, Mark Abene wrote:
(???) >
(???) > If I remember correctly, Compuserve was using Foonlys towards the end,
(???) > since they were much more economical to run than the Systems Concepts
(???) > machines. Maybe someone can comment.
(???)
(???) That sounds backwards. At least the F1 was a very complex
(???) machine even requiring a DeC PDP-10 to even boot. The SC-40 was
(???) comparatively nimble. Lpok at gerrys youtibe videos.
(???)
(???) I don't know much about the later foonlys. I'd like to know
(???) more.
(???)
(???) /P
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr">You're likely right, and I had it backwards (SC versus=
(???) Foonly).<div><br></div><div>On the other note, it would be really cool to =
(???) evive TYMCOM-X and its dev environment (excluding the Tymnet Engine node-c=
(???) de generation tools).=C2=A0 But it's very possible that British Teleco=
(???) wouldn't allow that to happen, if in fact they still hold all the cop=
(???) rights that they absorbed from acquiring Tymnet and Tymshare.</div><div><b=
(???) ></div><div>-M</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Pontus Pihlgren <=
(SND) pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:pontus@update.uu.se" target=3D"_blan=
(???) ">pontus@update.uu.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
(???) uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
(???) x"><span class=3D"">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 04:23:38PM -0800, Mark Abene w=
(???) ote:<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; If I remember correctly, Compuserve was using Foonlys towards the end,=
(???) br>
(???) gt; since they were much more economical to run than the Systems Concepts<=
(???) r>
(???) gt; machines.=C2=A0 Maybe someone can comment.<br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>That sounds backwards. At least the F1 was a very complex<br>
(???) achine even requiring a DeC PDP-10 to even boot. The SC-40 was<br>
(???) omparatively nimble. Lpok at gerrys youtibe videos.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) don't know much about the later foonlys. I'd like to know<br>
(???) ore.<br>
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(???) P<br>
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(???) o'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>Van: </b>Mark Abene</div><div><b>Verzonden=
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(???) alContent" style=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr">You're likely right, and I had it b=
(???) ckwards (SC versus Foonly).<div><br></div><div>On the other note, it would=
(???) be really cool to revive TYMCOM-X and its dev environment (excluding the T=
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(???) Pihlgren <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:pontus@update.uu.se" targ=
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(???) rk Abene wrote:<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; If I remember correctly, Compuserve was using Foonlys towards the end,=
(???) br>
(???) gt; since they were much more economical to run than the Systems Concepts<=
(???) r>
(???) gt; machines. Maybe someone can comment.<br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>That sounds backwards. At least the F1 was a very complex<br>
(???) achine even requiring a DeC PDP-10 to even boot. The SC-40 was<br>
(???) omparatively nimble. Lpok at gerrys youtibe videos.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) don't know much about the later foonlys. I'd like to know<br>
(???) ore.<br>
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(???) fternoon,
(TN3) o the probably 0 other people interested...I think I managed to stumble
(???) cross a later version of the BBN monitor...not sure if it's TENEX, just
(PNG) atches to the networking stack. It was (not really) hidden within the
(???) RI-NIC SRC: structure dump.
(TN3) he source contains a copy of BBN Report 5925
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) ello!
(???) nd where was it hiding?
(???) ----
(???) regg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???) n Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) Afternoon,
(???)
(???) To the probably 0 other people interested...I think I managed to stumble
(???) across a later version of the BBN monitor...not sure if it's TENEX, just
(???) patches to the networking stack. It was (not really) hidden within the
(???) SRI-NIC SRC: structure dump.
(???)
(???) The source contains a copy of BBN Report 5925
(???)
(???) --
(???) Cory Smelosky
(???) http://gewt.net Personal stuff
(???) http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n Sun, 23 Nov 2014, Gregg Levine wrote:
(???) Hello!
(???) And where was it hiding?
(???) RC:<BBN-MONITOR>
(???) -----
(???) Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) ello!
(IMG) mean where did you find it.
(???) ----
(???) regg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???) n Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4@gewt.net> wrote:
(???) On Sun, 23 Nov 2014, Gregg Levine wrote:
(???)
(???) > Hello!
(???) > And where was it hiding?
(???)
(???)
(???) SRC:<BBN-MONITOR>
(???)
(???) > -----
(???) > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???) --
(???) Cory Smelosky
(???) http://gewt.net Personal stuff
(???) http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n Sun, 23 Nov 2014, Gregg Levine wrote:
(???) Hello!
(???) I mean where did you find it.
(???) itsavers.
(???) -----
(???) Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
(???) "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
(???)
(???)
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(???) -----=_NextPart_000_0278_01D00C81.54BB9B40
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(???) oes anyone have this file?
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(???) Sorry if this is a duplicate, I sent the request from the wrong address and
(IMG) don't know if it actually made it to the list)
(???)
(???) egards
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(IMG) should have this somewhere. I'll take a look when i get home later
(???) n 30 Nov 2014 09:38, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> wrote:
(???) Does anyone have this file?
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) (Sorry if this is a duplicate, I sent the request from the wrong address
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(???) Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) Does anyone have this file?
(IMG) do.
(???) -
(???) AXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
(IMG) speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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(???) -----Original Message-----
(???) From: owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] On
(???) Behalf Of Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
(???) Sent: 30 November 2014 15:55
(???) To: hecnet@Update.UU.SE
(???) Subject: RE: [HECnet] Looking for WWENG2.SYS for DECserver 900TM
(???)
(???) "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???)
(???) >Does anyone have this file?
(???)
(???) I do.
(???)
(???) --
(???) VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker
(???) VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
(???)
(???) I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
(TN3) hanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking for
(???) WENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) egards
(???) ob
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(???) Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking for
(???) WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) ops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) -
(???) AXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
(IMG) speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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(???) Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???)
(???) >Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking for
(???) >WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???)
(???) Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) WENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) -
(???) AXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
(IMG) speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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(???) n 11/30/2014 03:48 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
(???) "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???)
(???) > "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >
(???) >> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking for
(???) >> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >
(???) > Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???)
(???) WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n 2014-11-30 21:56, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/30/2014 03:48 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
(???) > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >
(???) >> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>
(???) >>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking for
(???) >>> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>
(???) >> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >
(???) > WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???)
(???) http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???) reat!
(???) ow also at MIM::DU:[5,54]*.SYS, along other DECserver images...
(???) nd, for some of them, MIM also serves when asked.
(???) -
(???) ohnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
(???) || on a psychedelic trip
(???) mail: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books
(PNG) dp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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(???) ubject: RE: [HECnet] Looking for WWENG2.SYS for DECserver 900TM
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(???) n Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
(???) "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???)
(???) > "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >
(???) >> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking for
(???) >> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >
(???) > Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???)
(???) WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???)
(???)
(???) o you also have Xyplex MAXserver 5000 firmware by chance?
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
(HTM) ttp://gewt.net Personal stuff
(HTM) ttp://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/30/2014 03:48 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
(???) > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >
(???) >> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>
(???) >>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking for
(???) >>> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>
(???) >> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >
(???) > WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???)
(???) http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???)
(IMG) nteresting image!
(???) strings` shows postscript and:
(???) Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(IMG) thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???) -Dave
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
(HTM) ttp://gewt.net Personal stuff
(HTM) ttp://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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(???) n 11/30/2014 04:08 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) >> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >>
(???) >>> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking
(???) >>>> for
(???) >>>> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >>
(???) >> WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) >
(???) > http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???) >
(???)
(???) Interesting image!
(???)
(???) `strings` shows postscript and:
(???) $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???)
(???) I thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???) No, many times it was left in the binaries for exactly this reason,
dentification.
(???) And it would have been SCCS in those days.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n 11/30/2014 04:04 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >>
(???) >>> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking
(???) >>>> for
(???) >>>> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >>
(???) >> WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) >
(???) > http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???)
(???) Great!
(???) Now also at MIM::DU:[5,54]*.SYS, along other DECserver images...
(???) And, for some of them, MIM also serves when asked.
(???) I have these:
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 176K Jun 7 1999 DS5TSV.SYS
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 580K Jun 7 1999 MNENG1.SYS
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 190K Jun 7 1999 PR0801ENG.SYS
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 64K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v1.3
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 108K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v2.0
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 570K Jun 7 1999 SH1601ENG.SYS
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 578K Jun 7 1999 WWENG1.SYS
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 1.6M Jan 27 2007 WWENG2.SYS
(???) Are there any there that you do not have?
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) > `strings` shows postscript and:
(???) > $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) > $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???) >
(???) > I thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???)
(???) No, many times it was left in the binaries for exactly this reason,
(???) identification.
(???)
(???) hhhh.
(???) hat architecture is this for?
(???) And it would have been SCCS in those days.
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(???) ad a feeling, but wasn't sure which it would've been.
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(???) ubject: Re: [HECnet] Looking for WWENG2.SYS for DECserver 900TM
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(???) n 2014-11-30 22:10, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/30/2014 04:08 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) >>> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking
(???) >>>>> for
(???) >>>>> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) >>
(???) >> http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > Interesting image!
(???) >
(???) > `strings` shows postscript and:
(???) > $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) > $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???) >
(???) > I thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???)
(???) No, many times it was left in the binaries for exactly this reason,
(???) identification.
(???) es. And you had/have a special tool to locate them and print them out:
dent
(???) And it would have been SCCS in those days.
(DIR) 995? Not neccesarily SCCS. Lot of other revision control systems had
(???) een around for a while by then...
(???) nd running ident on wweng2.sys gives:
(???) W:/home/bqt> ident wweng2.sys
(???) weng2.sys:
(???) $Header: slcompress.c,v 1.19 89/12/31 08:52:59 van Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp.c,v 1.1.6.4 1996/02/03 18:37:30 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp_io.c,v 1.1.6.3 1995/11/07 20:51:10 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp_iencode.c,v 1.1.6.4 1996/02/14 16:24:18 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp_intmon.c,v 1.1.6.4 1995/10/02 16:25:43 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp_cmpr.c,v 1.1.6.4 1995/10/02 16:25:27 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp_bufd.c,v 1.1.6.2 1995/05/01 20:08:57 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp_encode.c,v 1.1.6.2 1995/05/01 20:12:05 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: stubs.c,v 1.1.8.3 1995/08/22 20:46:13 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: sys_stubs.c,v 1.1.2.3 1995/03/15 23:04:06 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: ip_stubs.c,v 1.1.2.7 1995/05/11 17:30:14 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: xnmp_stubs.c,v 1.1.3.2 1995/02/07 19:11:42 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: elog_stubs.c,v 1.1.3.2 1995/02/07 19:11:17 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomEnviron_stubs.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/07/12 17:01:45 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomBp_stubs.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/07/12 17:01:40 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: serial_stubs.c,v 1.1.3.3 1995/03/15 23:04:04 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_noAdditionalRouterText.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08
(DIR) 9:08:20 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_noaddsettings.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:08:37 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nobootp.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:08:42 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nodefgwymask.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:08:48 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nodlu.c,v 1.1.5.2 1996/02/08 19:08:53 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_noecho.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:08:59 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nofeatures.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:09:04 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nolocal.c,v 1.1.4.3 1996/03/13 22:29:04 dnm Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nolog.c,v 1.1.5.2 1996/02/08 19:09:20 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nomultibm.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:09:26 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_noobminhub.c,v 1.1.2.2 1996/02/08 19:09:34 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_noobmstndalone.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:09:46 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_noprdctmenu.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:09:51 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_noselectibm.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:10:02 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_notrapset.c,v 1.1.4.3 1996/02/28 23:06:10 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomEntity_selfpoll.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/07/31 20:48:08 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomEntity_noGateway.c,v 1.1.2.2 1996/04/23 21:40:02 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: slrp_stub.c,v 1.1.3.2 1994/11/03 18:29:19 devbld Exp $
(???) $Id: snmp_proj_hubcit.c,v 1.1.3.2 1994/11/03 18:33:54 devbld Exp $
(???) $Id: sysGroup.c,v 1.1.5.10 1995/03/29 18:48:31 mcdonald Exp $
(???) $Id: sysObjectID.c,v 1.1.5.8 1995/03/29 18:49:18 mcdonald Exp $
(???) $Id: snmp_decode.c,v 1.1.4.2 1994/04/01 11:09:46 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: snmp_encode.c,v 1.1.4.3 1994/05/27 14:28:46 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: snmp_mobj.c,v 1.1.4.4 1995/01/09 22:47:10 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: snmp_mobj_support.c,v 1.1.4.3 1995/01/09 22:47:14 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: snmp_var.c,v 1.1.6.3 1996/04/05 17:00:10 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: snmp_var_support.c,v 1.1.7.2 1995/05/18 19:05:50 gabis Exp $
(???) $Id: csnmp_client_stubs.c,v 1.1.6.2 1995/11/07 20:49:57 shawn Exp $
(???) $Id: han.c,v 1.1.10.3 1995/08/23 20:36:34 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: mib.c,v 1.1.7.2 1995/05/19 20:30:07 gabis Exp $
(???) $Id: set_build_no.sh,v 1.1.2.19 1996/03/14 17:10:39 wils Exp D4.0.28 $
(???) $Id: set_build_no.sh,v 1.1.2.19 1996/03/14 17:10:39 wils Exp
(???) 68020:debug $
(???) $Id: set_build_no.sh,v 1.1.2.19 1996/03/14 17:10:39 wils Exp devbld $
(???) $Id: set_build_no.sh,v 1.1.2.19 1996/03/14 17:10:39 wils Exp
(???) aynetworks.dechub.lkg.dec.com:alpha:DEC OSF/1 V2.1 (Rev. 250) $
(???) $Id: set_build_no.sh,v 1.1.2.19 1996/03/14 17:10:39 wils Exp
(???) proj1012/hub_common/hub_common_d4.0b028:V-1:96/05/13_10_17 $
(???) $Id: bp.c,v 1.1.13.2 1995/06/28 21:36:26 mcdonald Exp $
(???) $Id: hlap_svc.c,v 1.1.6.3 1996/02/28 22:12:44 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: hlap_dispatch.c,v 1.1.3.2 1994/11/03 18:27:12 devbld Exp $
(???) $Id: hlap_op_wrapper.c,v 1.1.2.3 1994/11/21 15:49:46 mccrory Exp $
(???) $Id: hccp.c,v 1.1.13.2 1996/03/13 22:28:35 dnm Exp $
(???) $Id: icomBp.c,v 1.1.11.4 1995/08/23 20:36:08 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomEntity.c,v 1.1.7.5 1996/04/23 21:39:51 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomEntity_AccessMethod_get_stub.c,v 1.1.2.2 1994/11/14
(DIR) 7:47:03 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomEntity_Function_get_stub.c,v 1.1.2.3 1995/04/26 19:49:15
(SND) andeep Exp $
(???) $Id: icomHlap.c,v 1.1.6.2 1995/07/21 17:42:38 gabis Exp $
(???) $Id: icomHub.c,v 1.1.6.3 1996/02/28 22:12:13 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomPower.c,v 1.1.7.3 1996/03/13 22:54:42 boyle Exp $
(???) $Id: icomPower_Grant_set_stub.c,v 1.1.2.2 1996/03/13 22:54:48
(???) oyle Exp $
(???) $Id: icomRoot.c,v 1.1.7.2 1995/07/21 17:42:56 gabis Exp $
(???) $Id: icomSlot.c,v 1.1.9.2 1995/07/21 17:43:02 gabis Exp $
(???) $Id: icomStatus.c,v 1.1.6.3 1995/08/22 20:46:26 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: icomEnviron.c,v 1.1.12.3 1995/08/22 20:46:23 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: ips.c,v 1.1.4.12 1995/02/22 15:57:30 dnm Exp $
(???) $Id: ips_snmp_han.c,v 1.1.5.2 1995/08/10 15:00:25 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: ips_hubcit.c,v 1.1.3.6 1995/03/15 23:04:12 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: lh.c,v 1.1.18.5 1995/08/22 21:50:36 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: lh_app.c,v 1.1.4.4 1995/02/07 16:46:18 walter Exp $
(???) $Id: lh_whoru.c,v 1.1.6.2 1996/02/28 22:13:01 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: lh_slave.c,v 1.1.9.2 1995/12/26 22:20:07 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: lh_whoru_id.c,v 1.1.6.4 1996/02/02 21:43:07 walter Exp $
(???) $Id: lh_whoru_resp_buf_get.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/03/23 14:59:25 branam
(???) xp $
(???) $Id: sysProxyStubs.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/03/29 18:49:40 mcdonald Exp $
(???) $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: f_dev_in_900hub.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/03/02 20:32:50 gabis Exp $
(???) $Id: f_dev_in_90hub.c,v 1.1.3.4 1995/02/05 17:11:40 walter Exp $
(???) $Id: f_dev_slots_occupied.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/02/05 17:11:46 walter Exp $
(???) $Id: sys_hdlc_crc16.c,v 1.1.9.2 1996/01/25 19:08:04 dimario Exp $
(???) $Id: pcomEsys_hub_version.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/03/15 23:04:22 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: ctype.c,v 1.1.2.2 1995/08/10 15:01:01 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: setup_printf.c,v 1.1.5.2 1996/01/30 22:40:11 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: setup_output.c,v 1.1.4.2 1996/02/08 19:11:37 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_nortos.c,v 1.1.2.2 1996/02/08 19:09:56 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console.c,v 1.1.12.9 1996/03/13 22:28:38 dnm Exp $
(???) $Id: console_cfg_get_ifDescr.c,v 1.1.2.2 1994/12/08 14:27:38 wils
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(???) $Id: console_dfltPrdctName.c,v 1.1.5.3 1996/03/13 21:02:31 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_ip.c,v 1.1.2.5 1996/03/13 22:28:54 dnm Exp $
(???) $Id: console_parseIpAddr.c,v 1.1.2.3 1996/02/28 23:06:15 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_print_ip.c,v 1.1.2.2 1996/02/28 23:06:26 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_ifOtherInfo.c,v 1.1.2.2 1996/02/28 23:06:00 wils Exp $
(???) $Id: console_settingsPageBrk.c,v 1.1.2.2 1996/02/08 19:11:11 wils
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(???) ubject: Re: [HECnet] Looking for WWENG2.SYS for DECserver 900TM
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(???) n 2014-11-30 22:11, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/30/2014 04:04 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >>> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking
(???) >>>>> for
(???) >>>>> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) >>
(???) >> http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???) >
(???) > Great!
(???) > Now also at MIM::DU:[5,54]*.SYS, along other DECserver images...
(???) > And, for some of them, MIM also serves when asked.
(???)
(???) I have these:
(???)
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 176K Jun 7 1999 DS5TSV.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 580K Jun 7 1999 MNENG1.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 190K Jun 7 1999 PR0801ENG.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 64K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v1.3
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 108K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v2.0
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 570K Jun 7 1999 SH1601ENG.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 578K Jun 7 1999 WWENG1.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 1.6M Jan 27 2007 WWENG2.SYS
(???)
(???) Are there any there that you do not have?
(???) es... :-)
(???) n MIM::
(???) dir du:[5,54]*eng*.sys;*
(???) irectory DU0:[5,54]
(ERR) 0-NOV-14 22:25
(???) R0801ENG.SYS;1 378. C 21-AUG-01 01:42
(???) H1601ENG.SYS;1 388. 23-NOV-89 16:18
(???) NENG1.SYS;1 1159. 09-MAR-09 09:30
(???) S0801ENG.SYS;1 216. 18-JAN-11 15:08
(???) H1601ENG.SYS;2 1139. C 17-MAY-12 06:38
(???) WENG2.SYS;1 3216. 30-NOV-14 22:03
(TN3) otal of 6496./6505. blocks in 6. files
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(???) ave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> writes:
(???) On 11/30/2014 04:04 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >>> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am looking
(???) >>>>> for
(???) >>>>> WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) >>
(???) >> http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???) >
(???) > Great!
(???) > Now also at MIM::DU:[5,54]*.SYS, along other DECserver images...
(???) > And, for some of them, MIM also serves when asked.
(???)
(???) I have these:
(???)
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 176K Jun 7 1999 DS5TSV.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 580K Jun 7 1999 MNENG1.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 190K Jun 7 1999 PR0801ENG.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 64K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v1.3
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 108K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v2.0
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 570K Jun 7 1999 SH1601ENG.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 578K Jun 7 1999 WWENG1.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 1.6M Jan 27 2007 WWENG2.SYS
(???)
(???) Are there any there that you do not have?
(IMG) n addition to your list, I have:
(???) BR90_11_1-6.SYS
(???) ENMA304.SYS
(???) ENMALOD.SYS
(???) EWGB390.SYS
(???) P0601ENG.SYS
(???) NENG2.SYS
(???) -
(???) AXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
(IMG) speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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(???) n 11/30/2014 04:24 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >> `strings` shows postscript and:
(???) >> $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) >> $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???) >>
(???) >> I thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???) >
(???) > No, many times it was left in the binaries for exactly this reason,
(???) > identification.
(???)
(???) Yes. And you had/have a special tool to locate them and print them out:
(???) ident
(???)
(???) > And it would have been SCCS in those days.
(???)
(???) 1995? Not neccesarily SCCS. Lot of other revision control systems had
(???) been around for a while by then...
(???) Oh, I didn't realize it was that late. (and apparently I didn't pay
(???) ttention to those date stamps! ;)) I was using CVS by then.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n 11/30/2014 04:12 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???)
(???) >> `strings` shows postscript and:
(???) >> $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) >> $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???) >>
(???) >> I thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???) >
(???) > No, many times it was left in the binaries for exactly this reason,
(???) > identification.
(???) >
(???)
(???) Ahhhh.
(???)
(???) What architecture is this for?
(???) I'd guess 68K.
(???) -Dave
(???) -
(???) ave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
(???) ew Kensington, PA
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(???) n Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/30/2014 04:12 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
(???) > On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) >
(???) >>> `strings` shows postscript and:
(???) >>> $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) >>> $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???) >>>
(???) >>> I thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???) >>
(???) >> No, many times it was left in the binaries for exactly this reason,
(???) >> identification.
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > Ahhhh.
(???) >
(???) > What architecture is this for?
(???)
(???) I'd guess 68K.
(???)
(???) n a semi-related note, it appears IDA runs under FreeBSD's linux compat.
(???) )
(???) -Dave
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) ory Smelosky
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(???) -----Original Message-----
(???) From: owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] On
(???) Behalf Of Dave McGuire
(???) Sent: 30 November 2014 21:11
(???) To: hecnet@Update.UU.SE
(???) Subject: Re: [HECnet] Looking for WWENG2.SYS for DECserver 900TM
(???)
(???) On 11/30/2014 04:04 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >>> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@TMESIS.COM> writes:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>> "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com> writes:
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>>> Thanks VAXman, but the link you sent me is for MNENG2, I am
(???) >>>>> looking for WWENG2, which is for the 900TM.
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> Oops. Sorry about that. Let me gather WWENG2 for you.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> WWENG1.SYS is the best I can do for you.
(???) >>
(???) >> http://www.neurotica.com/misc/wweng2.sys
(???) >
(???) > Great!
(???) > Now also at MIM::DU:[5,54]*.SYS, along other DECserver images...
(???) > And, for some of them, MIM also serves when asked.
(???)
(???) I have these:
(???)
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 176K Jun 7 1999 DS5TSV.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 580K Jun 7 1999 MNENG1.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 190K Jun 7 1999 PR0801ENG.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 64K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v1.3
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 108K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v2.0
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 570K Jun 7 1999 SH1601ENG.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 578K Jun 7 1999 WWENG1.SYS
(???) -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 1.6M Jan 27 2007 WWENG2.SYS
(???)
(???) Are there any there that you do not have?
(???)
(???) -Dave
(???)
(???) --
(???) Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
(???) New Kensington, PA
(TN3) hanks to all for WWENG2.SYS. The DECserver 900TM seems to be working well.
(???) egards
(???) ob
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(???) n 11/30/2014 04:26 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) > I have these:
(???) >
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 176K Jun 7 1999 DS5TSV.SYS
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 580K Jun 7 1999 MNENG1.SYS
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 190K Jun 7 1999 PR0801ENG.SYS
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 64K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v1.3
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 108K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v2.0
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 570K Jun 7 1999 SH1601ENG.SYS
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 578K Jun 7 1999 WWENG1.SYS
(???) > -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 1.6M Jan 27 2007 WWENG2.SYS
(???) >
(???) > Are there any there that you do not have?
(???)
(???) Yes... :-)
(???)
(???) On MIM::
(???)
(???) .dir du:[5,54]*eng*.sys;*
(???)
(???)
(???) Directory DU0:[5,54]
(???) 30-NOV-14 22:25
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(???) PR0801ENG.SYS;1 378. C 21-AUG-01 01:42
(???) SH1601ENG.SYS;1 388. 23-NOV-89 16:18
(???) MNENG1.SYS;1 1159. 09-MAR-09 09:30
(???) PS0801ENG.SYS;1 216. 18-JAN-11 15:08
(???) SH1601ENG.SYS;2 1139. C 17-MAY-12 06:38
(???) WWENG2.SYS;1 3216. 30-NOV-14 22:03
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(???) Total of 6496./6505. blocks in 6. files
(???) I will send the missing ones off-list in a moment.
(???) -Dave
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(???) n 2014-11-30 22:45, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/30/2014 04:26 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >> I have these:
(???) >>
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 176K Jun 7 1999 DS5TSV.SYS
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 580K Jun 7 1999 MNENG1.SYS
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 190K Jun 7 1999 PR0801ENG.SYS
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 64K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v1.3
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 108K Mar 20 2012 PS0801ENG.SYS-v2.0
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 570K Jun 7 1999 SH1601ENG.SYS
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 578K Jun 7 1999 WWENG1.SYS
(???) >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcguire staff 1.6M Jan 27 2007 WWENG2.SYS
(???) >>
(???) >> Are there any there that you do not have?
(???) >
(???) > Yes... :-)
(???) >
(???) > On MIM::
(???) >
(???) > .dir du:[5,54]*eng*.sys;*
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > Directory DU0:[5,54]
(???) > 30-NOV-14 22:25
(???) >
(???) > PR0801ENG.SYS;1 378. C 21-AUG-01 01:42
(???) > SH1601ENG.SYS;1 388. 23-NOV-89 16:18
(???) > MNENG1.SYS;1 1159. 09-MAR-09 09:30
(???) > PS0801ENG.SYS;1 216. 18-JAN-11 15:08
(???) > SH1601ENG.SYS;2 1139. C 17-MAY-12 06:38
(???) > WWENG2.SYS;1 3216. 30-NOV-14 22:03
(???) >
(???) > Total of 6496./6505. blocks in 6. files
(???)
(???) I will send the missing ones off-list in a moment.
(IMG) 'll happily try and have them all available on MIM... (And I'm sure
(???) thers are also storing them...)
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(???) n 2014-11-30 22:35, Dave McGuire wrote:
(???) On 11/30/2014 04:24 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) >>> `strings` shows postscript and:
(???) >>> $Id: slip.c,v 1.1.5.4 1995/04/12 23:27:02 mccrory Exp $
(???) >>> $Id: slip_stuff_unstuff.c,v 1.1.10.4 1996/05/15 14:27:34 wils Exp $
(???) >>>
(???) >>> I thought...CVS? (or is that RCS?SCCS?) info woulda been stripped?
(???) >>
(???) >> No, many times it was left in the binaries for exactly this reason,
(???) >> identification.
(???) >
(???) > Yes. And you had/have a special tool to locate them and print them out:
(???) > ident
(???) >
(???) >> And it would have been SCCS in those days.
(???) >
(???) > 1995? Not neccesarily SCCS. Lot of other revision control systems had
(???) > been around for a while by then...
(???)
(???) Oh, I didn't realize it was that late. (and apparently I didn't pay
(???) attention to those date stamps! ;)) I was using CVS by then.
(???) ven more fun, for those who care... The image format is (still) that of
(???) SX headlerless tasks.
(???) tin wweng1.sys
(TN3) IN V1.7
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(???) abel block revision: 0.
(TN3) ask addresses - Low: 050000, W0 high: 177777, High: 177777
(???) oad size: 02203000 Max size: 02203000 # of window blocks: 1.
(TN3) ask flags (040100): -HD -CHK
(???) artition: SYSTEM Offset: 000000
(???) ystem ID: RSX-11M.
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(???) n Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
(???) > Oh, I didn't realize it was that late. (and apparently I didn't pay
(???) > attention to those date stamps! ;)) I was using CVS by then.
(???)
(???) Even more fun, for those who care... The image format is (still) that of RSX
(???) headlerless tasks.
(???)
(???) .tin wweng1.sys
(???) TIN V1.7
(???) Task name: WHITEW Date: 22-MAY-96 Pri=0. Start=074000. EXTTSK=000000.
(???) Label block revision: 0.
(???) Task addresses - Low: 050000, W0 high: 177777, High: 177777
(???) Load size: 02203000 Max size: 02203000 # of window blocks: 1.
(???) Task flags (040100): -HD -CHK
(???) Partition: SYSTEM Offset: 000000
(???) System ID: RSX-11M.
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