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(???) ubject: [gopher] Calling scripts from Gopher
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(???) i all,
(???) fter rediscovering Gopherspace after several decades and setting up
(???) Bucktooth server in a Raspberry Pi, I'm canvassing opinions as to the
(DOC) esirability of writing and deploying scripts to be called using an
temtype 7 - Search.
(IMG) 'm well aware of the security implications of "bending" the original spec
n this way, but what I'm trying to achieve is a relatively simple database
(???) ookup to query a database on another machine and return the result as
(???) gopher-friendly stream.
(???) hat are your thoughts please?
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Calling scripts from Gopher
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(???) n Jan 22, 2014, at 22:14, Peter Garner <ipad@petergarner.net> wrote:
(???) After rediscovering Gopherspace after several decades and setting up
(???) a Bucktooth server in a Raspberry Pi, I'm canvassing opinions as to the
(???) desirability of writing and deploying scripts to be called using an
(???) itemtype 7 - Search.
(???)
(???) What are your thoughts please?
(???) erfectly doable and many people have done such applications. There are no security problems with this, at least not more than with normal CGIs.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Calling scripts from Gopher
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(???) After rediscovering Gopherspace after several decades and setting up
(???) a Bucktooth server in a Raspberry Pi, I'm canvassing opinions as to the
(???) desirability of writing and deploying scripts to be called using an
(???) itemtype 7 - Search.
(???) s Kim mentioned, lots of people do this (Veronica-2 is implemented in
(???) xactly this manner). It's analogous to CGI.
(???) I'm well aware of the security implications of "bending" the original spec
(???) in this way, but what I'm trying to achieve is a relatively simple database
(???) lookup to query a database on another machine and return the result as
(???) a gopher-friendly stream.
(???) ounds like a great idea to me!
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - TRUE HEADLINE: Prostitutes Appeal to Pope ----------------------------------
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(???) n 22/01/2014 22:14, Peter Garner wrote:
(???) I'm well aware of the security implications of "bending" the original spec
(???) in this way, but what I'm trying to achieve is a relatively simple database
(???) lookup to query a database on another machine and return the result as
(???) a gopher-friendly stream.
(IMG) t's no different to using, say http post. Just remember the number 1
(???) ule - never trust any user input. :)
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(???) liver Cromm <gmane@...> writes:
(???)
(???) I would like to move my (very neglected) Gopher site to my new
(???) server machine, which is an ARM-based plug computer.
(???)
(???) Which server software would be suited to that? Does anyone have
(???) experience?
(???)
(???) I assume pygopherd (which I currently use) would work, being
(???) Python. However, I also had an eye on mgod, for low resources
(???) requirements and scripting capability (for some pseudo
(???) "Web-Services"). However, I'm not a C programmer, so if it doesn't
(???) compile I wouldn't know what to do. How likely is it that mgod or
(???) a similar product can be adjusted so it compiles?
(???)
(???) y headless Raspberry Model B (700Mhz, 512Mb memory) happily runs Bucktooth
(???) ritten in Perl, using Xinetd. Here are some specs:
(???) emory:
(???) rm=496M
(GIF) pu=16M
(???) total used free shared buffers cached
(???) em: 485M 174M 311M 0B 13M 131M
(???) ow: 485M 174M 311M
(???) igh: 0B 0B 0B
(???) /+ buffers/cache: 29M 456M
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(IMG) 'd recommend this setup.
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(???) listair <alistair@...> writes:
(???)
(???) On 22/01/2014 22:14, Peter Garner wrote:
(???) > I'm well aware of the security implications of "bending" the original spec
(???) > in this way, but what I'm trying to achieve is a relatively simple database
(???) > lookup to query a database on another machine and return the result as
(???) > a gopher-friendly stream.
(???)
(???) It's no different to using, say http post. Just remember the number 1
(???) rule - never trust any user input. :)
(???)
(TN3) hanks all - I shall start work on my next project then. Rule 1 is a *very*
(GIF) ood rule!
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(???) ello,
(???) ince several months, the Motsognir gopher server is totally compatible
(???) ith ARM, too.
(IMG) nstalling it is as easy as:
(???) make
(???) make install
(???) o dependencies, no xinetd, no interpreted scripting. Runs out of the
(???) ox (I am using it on a few Raspberry boxes with Raspbian myself).
(???) http://sourceforge.net/projects/motsognir/
(???) heers,
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/23/2014 04:55 PM, Peter Garner wrote:
(???)
(???)
(???) Oliver Cromm <gmane@...> writes:
(???)
(???) >
(???) > I would like to move my (very neglected) Gopher site to my new
(???) > server machine, which is an ARM-based plug computer.
(???) >
(???) > Which server software would be suited to that? Does anyone have
(???) > experience?
(???) >
(???) > I assume pygopherd (which I currently use) would work, being
(???) > Python. However, I also had an eye on mgod, for low resources
(???) > requirements and scripting capability (for some pseudo
(???) > "Web-Services"). However, I'm not a C programmer, so if it doesn't
(???) > compile I wouldn't know what to do. How likely is it that mgod or
(???) > a similar product can be adjusted so it compiles?
(???) >
(???)
(???) My headless Raspberry Model B (700Mhz, 512Mb memory) happily runs Bucktooth
(???) written in Perl, using Xinetd. Here are some specs:
(???)
(???) Memory:
(???)
(???) arm=496M
(???) gpu=16M
(???) total used free shared buffers cached
(???) Mem: 485M 174M 311M 0B 13M 131M
(???) Low: 485M 174M 311M
(???) High: 0B 0B 0B
(???) -/+ buffers/cache: 29M 456M
(???) Swap: 0B 0B 0B
(???)
(???) I'd recommend this setup.
(???)
(???)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer instead
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(IMG) n IRC and a surprisingly large number of other supposedly P2P
(???) pplications, file transfer is negotiated with the P2P protocol, and
(???) hen served with lighttpd and retrieved with curl.
(IMG) t seems like a good thing to reconsider this, and switch to gopher.
(???) y idea is that gopher can be used for caching and "last-mile"
(DOC) elivery while BitTorrent, or a similar swarming protocol, is used for
(???) ontent distribution. This separation of distribution and last-mile
(DOC) elivery is a compromise between repository designs with mirrors, and
(???) fully distributed system such as apt-bittorrent, which may put more
(SND) train on international 10GigE links.
(TN3) he reason I'm worried about a better software repository system is
(???) ecause mirror servers are expensive, and so is paying through the
(???) ose for a commercial content distribution network. I can afford
(???) either. So, I'm turning to serverless solutions, as I'm sure many
(???) fter me will do as well. As hitting many bittorrent or other swarm
(???) iles many times in succession can take time to warm up, using gopher
(???) s a final delivery seems like a reasonable and incredibly fast way to
(DOC) eliver software repository packages.
(IMG) wonder how difficult it would be to implement a gopher server and
(GIF) opher client? I would only need it as a command line application, and
(???) ostly the library behind it. Libgopher and libgopherd?
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer
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(IMG) don't really understand your question...
(???) ou seem to relate to the 'web seeding' capability of bittorrent. Using
(GIF) popher instead is not possible, since gopher doesn't support any
(???) partial' retrieval, which is required to map bittorent chunks into http
(DOC) ata offsets.
(???) hat is your need exactly? If it is software distribution, and you're
(???) ondering about putting "software packages" on Gopher, then I think you
(GIF) ot it wrong: Gopher *does* require a server, just the same as http, so
(???) he solution would not be "server-less" anymore.
(???) ut I'm fairly sure I missed your point - could you clarify please with
(???) simple example?
(???) heers,
(???) ateusz
(???) n 01/23/2014 08:05 PM, Coyo wrote:
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(???) In IRC and a surprisingly large number of other supposedly P2P
(???) applications, file transfer is negotiated with the P2P protocol, and
(???) then served with lighttpd and retrieved with curl.
(???)
(???) It seems like a good thing to reconsider this, and switch to gopher.
(???) My idea is that gopher can be used for caching and "last-mile"
(???) delivery while BitTorrent, or a similar swarming protocol, is used for
(???) content distribution. This separation of distribution and last-mile
(???) delivery is a compromise between repository designs with mirrors, and
(???) a fully distributed system such as apt-bittorrent, which may put more
(???) strain on international 10GigE links.
(???)
(???) The reason I'm worried about a better software repository system is
(???) because mirror servers are expensive, and so is paying through the
(???) nose for a commercial content distribution network. I can afford
(???) neither. So, I'm turning to serverless solutions, as I'm sure many
(???) after me will do as well. As hitting many bittorrent or other swarm
(???) files many times in succession can take time to warm up, using gopher
(???) as a final delivery seems like a reasonable and incredibly fast way to
(???) deliver software repository packages.
(???)
(???) I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a gopher server and
(???) gopher client? I would only need it as a command line application, and
(???) mostly the library behind it. Libgopher and libgopherd?
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(???) ell... libcurl already handles the client-side, and there are several modern Gopher servers too (Wikipedia page has a nice list).
(???) ut... Maybe I'm dumb, but I really didn't get the point? How exactly is a single resource-strained server faster than bittorrent? And how exactly is having dozes of servers around the world cheaper than a CDN? Just slightly interested because I actually do those things for living...
(???) Kim
(???) On 23 Jan 2014, at 20:05, Coyo <coyo@darkdna.net> wrote:
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(???) In IRC and a surprisingly large number of other supposedly P2P
(???) applications, file transfer is negotiated with the P2P protocol, and
(???) then served with lighttpd and retrieved with curl.
(???)
(???) It seems like a good thing to reconsider this, and switch to gopher.
(???) My idea is that gopher can be used for caching and "last-mile"
(???) delivery while BitTorrent, or a similar swarming protocol, is used for
(???) content distribution. This separation of distribution and last-mile
(???) delivery is a compromise between repository designs with mirrors, and
(???) a fully distributed system such as apt-bittorrent, which may put more
(???) strain on international 10GigE links.
(???)
(???) The reason I'm worried about a better software repository system is
(???) because mirror servers are expensive, and so is paying through the
(???) nose for a commercial content distribution network. I can afford
(???) neither. So, I'm turning to serverless solutions, as I'm sure many
(???) after me will do as well. As hitting many bittorrent or other swarm
(???) files many times in succession can take time to warm up, using gopher
(???) as a final delivery seems like a reasonable and incredibly fast way to
(???) deliver software repository packages.
(???)
(???) I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a gopher server and
(???) gopher client? I would only need it as a command line application, and
(???) mostly the library behind it. Libgopher and libgopherd?
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer
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(???) n 1/24/2014 12:30 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) I don't really understand your question...
(???)
(???) You seem to relate to the 'web seeding' capability of bittorrent.
(???) Using gpopher instead is not possible, since gopher doesn't support
(???) any 'partial' retrieval, which is required to map bittorent chunks
(???) into http data offsets.
(???) ontent distribution, such as games, game patches, apt-like
(???) epositories updates and installation, fetching lots of small files in
(SND) uccession, which bittorrent is not all that good at, at least not as
ndividual torrent hashes.
(???) What is your need exactly? If it is software distribution, and
(???) you're wondering about putting "software packages" on Gopher, then
(???) I think you got it wrong: Gopher *does* require a server, just the
(???) same as http, so the solution would not be "server-less" anymore.
(???) h, many peer to peer applications used /embedded/ http servers,
(???) ecause http is easier to get past NAT firewalls and other network
mpediments. My actual question is, what is the gopher-ish approach to
(???) aching lots of small files independently, such as software repositories?
(???) m I to understand that gopher is not flexible enough to be used for
(???) aching many small files? I understood that gopher is a lot more
(???) ightweight than http, and is easier on spotty mobile or satellite
nternet links. I am asking, what is the gopherish way to do this?
(IMG) want to use gopher's directory menu system to make it easy to search
(???) or and find files very quickly as part of an automated process. since
(???) enus and search capabilties are a built-in inherent part of gopher,
(GIF) opher sounded perfect for this.
(???) f course, when you have a shiny new hammer, everything starts to look
(???) ike nails.
(???) But I'm fairly sure I missed your point - could you clarify please
(???) with a simple example?
(???)
(???) cheers, Mateusz
(IMG) 'm pretty sure you did. I apologize for being unclear.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer
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(???) Content distribution, such as games, game patches, apt-like
(???) repositories updates and installation, fetching lots of small files in
(???) succession, which bittorrent is not all that good at, at least not as
(???) individual torrent hashes.
(IMG) f you're talking about fetching lots of small files *in their entirety*
n succession, then yes, Gopher should be lighter weight.
(???) > What is your need exactly? If it is software distribution, and
(???) > you're wondering about putting "software packages" on Gopher, then
(???) > I think you got it wrong: Gopher *does* require a server, just the
(???) > same as http, so the solution would not be "server-less" anymore.
(???)
(???) Uh, many peer to peer applications used /embedded/ http servers,
(???) because http is easier to get past NAT firewalls and other network
(???) impediments. My actual question is, what is the gopher-ish approach to
(???) caching lots of small files independently, such as software repositories?
(???)
(???) Am I to understand that gopher is not flexible enough to be used for
(???) caching many small files? I understood that gopher is a lot more
(???) lightweight than http, and is easier on spotty mobile or satellite
(???) internet links. I am asking, what is the gopherish way to do this?
(???) n the protocol side, there really isn't one; a request is a request. The
(SND) erver side might do something special to cache resources, but that's a
(???) actor of the server software.
(???) I want to use gopher's directory menu system to make it easy to search
(???) for and find files very quickly as part of an automated process. since
(???) menus and search capabilties are a built-in inherent part of gopher,
(???) gopher sounded perfect for this.
(TN3) his is indeed Gopher's strength.
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(???) ell, I'm trying to find a better approach than bittorrent OR
(???) entralized file serving as part of a commercial cdn. i dont like
(???) eing forced to choose either extreme.
(???) ince bittorrent magnet links can be very slow to initialize, and this
(DOC) elay can have a meaningful impact on installation time, i dont want
(???) o rely on bittorrent alone.
(SND) ince gopher is very lightweight and efficient, but more comprehensive
(???) han ftp or tftp, which i am trying to avoid, it sounded like a great
(???) lternative to many weaker embedded http servers.
(???) n 1/24/2014 12:31 PM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Well... libcurl already handles the client-side, and there are
(???) several modern Gopher servers too (Wikipedia page has a nice
(???) list).
(???)
(???) But... Maybe I'm dumb, but I really didn't get the point? How
(???) exactly is a single resource-strained server faster than
(???) bittorrent?
(IMG) 'm really glad you asked. I know little about how CDNs work
nternally, only that they are very expensive and I can't afford them.
(???) kamai, Cloudflare, InterNAP and EdgeCast, the ones I looked at the
(???) ost, and Level3 as well, though I already knew they would be
(???) xorbitant, all charge money I can't really afford, and it was not
(???) asy to get estimated prices, since they don't list prices on their
(???) ebsites, and you cannot get a quote without taking to a sales rep.
(IMG) made the mistake of calling sales representatives before, and since
(IMG) was not interested in buying hundreds of thousands of dollars of
(???) quipment and services RIGHT THEN, was not the representative of a
(???) ulti-billion dollar organization, did not have my own AS number,
(???) hich are a lot easier to get than I feared, but still not easy, a
(???) etwork Operations Center, a fully authorized law firm and phone
(???) umbers with Glados-like private branch exchanges, etc, etc, etc. They
(???) ere very rude at that point, and quickly got me off the phone.
(IMG) n other words, I don't even have the right to research what the price
s likely to be, but through other resources I will not mention here,
(???) ecause they almost certainly violate non-disclosure agreements or
(???) ther silly laws, I did get some estimates on what it would cost me,
(???) nd they are astronomical. The prices may as well be measured in
(SND) cientific notation.
(IMG) can't afford that, I'm nowhere near being able to afford that, and I
(PNG) robably cant afford a CDN even if I was, in fact, a multi-billion
(DOC) ollar corporation. It's ridiculous.
(IMG) 'm trying to build a highly efficient CDN-alternative that does not
(???) ely on bitcoin alone, so one can serve thousands of small files
ndividually while still retaining autonomy and decentralization.
(IMG) know about Coral CDN, and it is NOT suitable for my purpose.
(???) nd how exactly is having dozes of servers around the world cheaper
(???) han a CDN? Just slightly interested because I actually do those
(???) hings for living...
(???)
(???)
(???) - Kim
(IMG) f you do CDNs for a living, maybe you can tell me if I'm missing
(SND) omething. It could be that CDNs are very reasonably priced, but I'm
(???) ot able to get a quote without a very rude sales rep hanging up on me.
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(???) n 1/24/2014 2:59 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) On the protocol side, there really isn't one; a request is a
(???) request. The server side might do something special to cache
(???) resources, but that's a factor of the server software.
(???) h, I see. So something like that would be "implementation-specific."
(TN3) hat answers most of my question.
(???) >> I want to use gopher's directory menu system to make it easy to
(???) >> search for and find files very quickly as part of an automated
(???) >> process. since menus and search capabilties are a built-in
(???) >> inherent part of gopher, gopher sounded perfect for this.
(???) This is indeed Gopher's strength.
(TN3) his is why I love gopher. The other biggest reason is gopher returns
(???) s back to the value of a gopherspace being the content, not
(PNG) resentation. I abhor flash, javascript, embedded java, all sorts of
(???) on-free and closed systems for everyday access of basic information.
(???) opher has built-in menu and search primitives, which makes most of
(???) he glitz of web/http superfluous.
(TN3) hank you for the answer. This was very helpful of you.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer
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(???) eant to say BitTorrent. I'm used to talking about Bitcoin so much my
(???) ingers typed what they were used to typing. Sorry about the confusion.
(???) n 1/24/2014 3:06 PM, Coyo wrote:
(???) I'm trying to build a highly efficient CDN-alternative that does
(???) not rely on bitcoin alone, so one can serve thousands of small
(???) files individually while still retaining autonomy and
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer
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(???) > On the protocol side, there really isn't one; a request is a
(???) > request. The server side might do something special to cache
(???) > resources, but that's a factor of the server software.
(???)
(???) Ah, I see. So something like that would be "implementation-specific."
(???) That answers most of my question.
(???) or example, the Groundhog weather server on the backend does
(???) utomatic cache and transparent fetch of the weather resources it
(???) anages (it expires from the cache and updates its data on the fly).
(TN3) he client doesn't see any of this, and doesn't know what's cached or
(???) ot; it's all a function of the server.
(???) This is why I love gopher. The other biggest reason is gopher returns
(???) us back to the value of a gopherspace being the content, not
(???) presentation. I abhor flash, javascript, embedded java, all sorts of
(???) non-free and closed systems for everyday access of basic information.
(???)
(???) Gopher has built-in menu and search primitives, which makes most of
(???) the glitz of web/http superfluous.
(???) ne of the good things about it being so constrained is that everything
(???) orks the same way (indeed has to).
(???) -
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer
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(???) i,
(???) opher is not decentralized. It is no different from http in this regard (beside having slightly less overhead and a nice native menuing system).
(???) ou won't be able to have anything faster and more reliable on a big scale than bittorent without heavy investing. A CDN is costly because it requires complex infrastructures, permanent monitoring staff and maintenance.
(TN3) he only thing I see gopher could give you is to serve as a torrent hosting. ie you host torrent files on a small gopher server, organize them using gopher menus, and clients use your torrent meta files to start bittorrent downloads immediately, without having to worry about magnet initialization. Ideally, you'd need a public tracker, too (but you could just as well use some open trackers, there are several out there). Gopher would be nice here because it is good for small files (meta data), and would keep your stuff a bit "underground".
(???) n the other hand, if you only need to provide a bunch of small files to the world, you might be just fine with a simple (and cheap) hosting, or host things yourself on a nanoPC in your basement (or attic, if it is not too hot there in the summer) :)
(???) hat kind of storage size are we talking about here? How many simulteanous clients? What kind of uplink bandwidth requirements?
(???) ateusz
(???) oyo <coyo@darkdna.net> wrote:
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(???) Well, I'm trying to find a better approach than bittorrent OR
(???) centralized file serving as part of a commercial cdn. i dont like
(???) being forced to choose either extreme.
(???)
(???) Since bittorrent magnet links can be very slow to initialize, and this
(???) delay can have a meaningful impact on installation time, i dont want
(???) to rely on bittorrent alone.
(???)
(???) since gopher is very lightweight and efficient, but more comprehensive
(???) than ftp or tftp, which i am trying to avoid, it sounded like a great
(???) alternative to many weaker embedded http servers.
(???)
(???) On 1/24/2014 12:31 PM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > Well... libcurl already handles the client-side, and there are
(???) > several modern Gopher servers too (Wikipedia page has a nice
(???) > list).
(???) >
(???) > But... Maybe I'm dumb, but I really didn't get the point? How
(???) > exactly is a single resource-strained server faster than
(???) > bittorrent?
(???)
(???) I'm really glad you asked. I know little about how CDNs work
(???) internally, only that they are very expensive and I can't afford them.
(???) Akamai, Cloudflare, InterNAP and EdgeCast, the ones I looked at the
(???) most, and Level3 as well, though I already knew they would be
(???) exorbitant, all charge money I can't really afford, and it was not
(???) easy to get estimated prices, since they don't list prices on their
(???) websites, and you cannot get a quote without taking to a sales rep.
(???)
(???) I made the mistake of calling sales representatives before, and since
(???) I was not interested in buying hundreds of thousands of dollars of
(???) equipment and services RIGHT THEN, was not the representative of a
(???) multi-billion dollar organization, did not have my own AS number,
(???) which are a lot easier to get than I feared, but still not easy, a
(???) Network Operations Center, a fully authorized law firm and phone
(???) numbers with Glados-like private branch exchanges, etc, etc, etc. They
(???) were very rude at that point, and quickly got me off the phone.
(???)
(???) In other words, I don't even have the right to research what the price
(???) is likely to be, but through other resources I will not mention here,
(???) because they almost certainly violate non-disclosure agreements or
(???) other silly laws, I did get some estimates on what it would cost me,
(???) and they are astronomical. The prices may as well be measured in
(???) scientific notation.
(???)
(???) I can't afford that, I'm nowhere near being able to afford that, and I
(???) probably cant afford a CDN even if I was, in fact, a multi-billion
(???) dollar corporation. It's ridiculous.
(???)
(???) I'm trying to build a highly efficient CDN-alternative that does not
(???) rely on bitcoin alone, so one can serve thousands of small files
(???) individually while still retaining autonomy and decentralization.
(???)
(???) I know about Coral CDN, and it is NOT suitable for my purpose.
(???)
(???) And how exactly is having dozes of servers around the world cheaper
(???) than a CDN? Just slightly interested because I actually do those
(???) things for living...
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > - Kim
(???)
(???) If you do CDNs for a living, maybe you can tell me if I'm missing
(???) something. It could be that CDNs are very reasonably priced, but I'm
(???) not able to get a quote without a very rude sales rep hanging up on me.
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(TN3) hank you. I don't want to twist gopher into something it's not. It
(???) ould defeat the purpose.
(???) n 1/24/2014 4:46 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) Gopher is not decentralized.
(???)
(???) The only thing I see gopher could give you is to serve as a torrent
(???) hosting
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(???) Mateusz
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(???) Coyo <coyo@darkdna.net> wrote:
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(???) > Well, I'm trying to find a better approach than bittorrent OR
(???) > centralized file serving as part of a commercial cdn. i dont
(???) > like being forced to choose either extreme.
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(???) n Jan 24, 2014, at 23:06, Coyo <coyo@darkdna.net> wrote:
(???) Well, I'm trying to find a better approach than bittorrent OR
(???) centralized file serving as part of a commercial cdn. i dont like
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(???) ell... the only real alternatives are paying for servers around the world by yourself, or come up with something so good that people will distribute (mirror) it for you. To stay on topic - Gopher has no features which would be good for media distribution - it's purely a single-client/single-server solution.
(???) Since bittorrent magnet links can be very slow to initialize, and this
(???) delay can have a meaningful impact on installation time, i dont want
(???) to rely on bittorrent alone.
(???) K, just what exactly are you planning on doing? Anything else than plain HTTP for package installations is not going to work because nothing else will ever go reliably through firewalls.
(???) I made the mistake of calling sales representatives before, and since
(???) I was not interested in buying hundreds of thousands of dollars of
(???) equipment and services RIGHT THEN, was not the representative of a
(???) multi-billion dollar organization, did not have my own AS number...
(???) mm, I don't know who you called, but I just called and got a callback from Akamai like two weeks ago and they were nothing like that. Yes, the prices are high (I got a quote of about $3000/month for the traffic I'd like to offload to a CDN) but the service is good too. It sucks that they don't publicly announce their prices, but such is life.
(TN3) o be honest, I think I can do country-localized CDN (which is what I need - the site has no internation users) better and cheaper than Akamai, but I didn't find the price completely out of line.
(???) If you do CDNs for a living, maybe you can tell me if I'm missing
(???) something. It could be that CDNs are very reasonably priced, but I'm
(???) not able to get a quote without a very rude sales rep hanging up on me.
(???) ell, how about free? Cloudflare (http://www.cloudflare.com/plans) has plenty of users and is extermely cheap. Useless for me since they don't have presence in this country, but for countries where they do operate they have very good deals.
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(???) n Jan 24, 2014, at 13:28, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@devio.us> wrote:
(???) hello, i am very new to gopher, just got a hole on devio.us and would
(???) like to start adding in resources. would you have any document which
(???) shows how to create content for gopherspace?
(???) i. That really depends on the Gopher server you are using. Basically you can just create directories and place content (just normal text files, images etc) to those directories and that's it. To do something fancier you'll need to read the docs for the server software as more modern features differ between the servers.
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(???) h, didn't notice - devio.us is running my Gophernicus and you seem to have your gopherhole already set up. Alright - a few links to get you started follows. The first one has docs (but you can skip gopher+ as nobody uses it) and the second one has my Gophernicus sources and documents. Just download and unpack the tarfile and start reading from README and README.gophermap
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/doc/gopher/
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
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(TN3) he public repo is here: http://gophernicus.org/git/gophernicus.git
(TN3) here's also a gopher repo (gopher://gophernicus.org/1/git/gophernicus.git/) but git doesn't seem to support the gopher:// protocol.... I'll be releasing 1.5 with a few tiny fixes in a couple of days - just thought I should perhaps upgrade my coding style to 90's and use some revision control thingy before doing the release :-).
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gophernicus 1.5 released
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(???) ust released a new version of Gophernicus. Nothing earthbreaking, just a couple of bugfixes + support for git repositories.
(???) lone git repo:
(???) ownload sources:
(???) ownload using some old and obsolete protocol:
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(???) n Jan 25, 2014, at 15:19, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) Just released a new version of Gophernicus. Nothing earthbreaking, just a couple of bugfixes + support for git repositories.
(???) .. and since I forgot to state for those who don't know - Gophernicus is a modern Gopher server for Unixy systems writen in C.
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Question about using Gopher for P2P file transfer
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(ERR) k usd? that's not that horrible, but still.
(???) n 1/25/2014 2:19 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Hmm, I don't know who you called, but I just called and got a
(???) callback from Akamai like two weeks ago and they were nothing like
(???) that. Yes, the prices are high (I got a quote of about $3000/month
(???) for the traffic I'd like to offload to a CDN) but the service is
(???) good too. It sucks that they don't publicly announce their prices,
(???) but such is life.
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(HTM) ow did i miss that? D:
(???) n 1/25/2014 2:19 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On Jan 24, 2014, at 23:06, Coyo <coyo@darkdna.net> wrote:
(???) > If you do CDNs for a living, maybe you can tell me if I'm
(???) > missing something. It could be that CDNs are very reasonably
(???) > priced, but I'm not able to get a quote without a very rude sales
(???) > rep hanging up on me.
(???)
(???) Well, how about free? Cloudflare (http://www.cloudflare.com/plans)
(???) has plenty of users and is extermely cheap. Useless for me since
(???) they don't have presence in this country, but for countries where
(???) they do operate they have very good deals.
(???)
(???)
(???) - Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] First shot at a gopher mole - results vary, but why?
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(???) Hi all,
(???)
(???) I've knocked up a quick script - gopher mole - as the possible basis for a
(???) database search tool. Please note that there's no attempt at sanitising
(???) user input yet ;-) it's called as a type '7___.
(???)
(???) I've found that it works fine with Mac Camino and the gopherproxy.meulie.net
(???) but not with iGopher on the iPad or the Floodgap.com proxy. When it
(???) "doesn't work", it only displays the link back to my main gopher page.
(???)
(???) Here's the script.. Any advice welcome!
(TN3) he problem is this line:
(???) if ( $SELECTOR =~ /^$REQUEST[?](.*)/ )
(???) hile some browsers use "?" to separate selector from arguments, the
(???) orrect way is to use the tab "\t" or 0x09 character. If you change this
(???) ine to accept either character, like
(???) hen it should work. However, Bucktooth already gives you the arguments:
(???) ook at @ARGV. You don't need to parse them again. It does all the hard work
(???) ike finding the delimiter and doing any necessary decoding.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] First shot at a gopher mole - results vary, but why?
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(???) n Jan 25, 2014, at 20:12, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) The problem is this line:
(???)
(???) > if ( $SELECTOR =~ /^$REQUEST[?](.*)/ )
(???) However, Bucktooth already gives you the arguments:
(???) look at @ARGV. You don't need to parse them again. It does all the hard work
(???) like finding the delimiter and doing any necessary decoding.
(???) ome servers also give the args in $QUERY_STRING just like in CGI scripts.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gophernicus 1.5 released
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(???) im Holviala <kim@...> writes:
(???)
(???) On Jan 25, 2014, at 15:19, Kim Holviala <kim@...> wrote:
(???)
(???) > Just released a new version of Gophernicus. Nothing earthbreaking, just
(???) couple of bugfixes + support
(???) for git repositories.
(???)
(???) ... and since I forgot to state for those who don't know - Gophernicus is
(???) modern Gopher server for Unixy
(???) systems writen in C.
(???)
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/
(???)
(???)
(???) - Kim
(???)
(???) i Kim,
(IMG) just had a quick look and am testing it out on a spare box - all good so
(???) ar, except that I can't
(GIF) et logging to work as I expected. I'm running from /etc/xinetd(.conf). The
(PNG) latform is
(???) aspbian/7.2 armv6l
(SND) ervice gopher
(???) {
(???) protocol = tcp
(???) port = 70
(???) flags = REUSE
(???) socket_type = stream
(???) wait = no
(???) instances = UNLIMITED
(???) user = gopher
(???) server = /usr/local/bin/in.gophernicus
(???) server_args = -l /var/log/gophernicus.log -r /var/gopher -h
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(???) eter Garner <ipad@...> writes:
(???) can't
(???) get logging to work as I expected. I'm running from /etc/xinetd(.conf). The
(???) platform is
(???) Raspbian/7.2 armv6l
(???) orted! The permissions for /var/log/gophernicus.log were incorrect and
(DOC) idn't allow for write access. Sorry 'bout that!
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(???) n Jan 27, 2014, at 13:42, Peter Garner <ipad@petergarner.net> wrote:
(???) Peter Garner <ipad@...> writes:
(???)
(???) > can't
(???) > get logging to work as I expected. I'm running from /etc/xinetd(.conf). The
(???) > platform is
(???) > Raspbian/7.2 armv6l
(???)
(???) Sorted! The permissions for /var/log/gophernicus.log were incorrect and
(???) didn't allow for write access. Sorry 'bout that!
(???) eh... you were quicker than me.
(???) ince you are on Rasbian you could also run "make deb" and just install the native Rasbian package with "sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb". That would save you from configuring everything by hand (which is also allowed, of course). Hmm.... but it could be that my .deb package wants old-fashioned inetd, not xinetd....
(???) or "make deb" I think you'll need to install build-essential, fakeroot, debhelper and dpkg-dev.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Noob question about Gophernicus and PHP
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(IMG) 've set up PHP for Gophernicus and have confirmed
(???) hat I can run a test php script from the command line and
(IMG) 've updated my xinetd.conf to include the -f flag.
(???) owever, I need some clarification on how to call a php
(SND) cript: at the moment my php(-cli) is located in
(???) usr/lib/gophernicus/filters and I have a helloworld.php in
(???) here as well. Can someone please tell me how I should
(SND) et up my gophermap to call it? My gopher root is in
(???) var/gopher.
(TN3) IA!
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(???) n Jan 30, 2014, at 13:16, Peter Garner <ipad@petergarner.net> wrote:
(???) I've set up PHP for Gophernicus and have confirmed
(???) that I can run a test php script from the command line and
(???) I've updated my xinetd.conf to include the -f flag.
(???)
(???) However, I need some clarification on how to call a php
(???) script: at the moment my php(-cli) is located in
(???) /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters and I have a helloworld.php in
(???) there as well.
(???) eah... the documentation could be a bit better. You should complain directly to the idiot who wrot....
(???) ... oh, it was me? Then it's just a feature, not a bug :D.
(???) K, here's how it works:
(IMG) have "-f /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters" in my gophernicus options. That makes gophernicus to search for "filters" from that directory - filter being an executable which filters content files into something else before sending them to the client.
(???) y php filter looks like this:
(???) ls -la /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters/php
(???) rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jan 25 15:09 /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters/php -> ../../../bin/php5
(???) hat it means is that all files ending with .php will be filtered through the ../../../bin/php5 binary (in other words, /usr/bin/php5). Since gopher is not html make sure you point that to the CLI version of php, not the CGI version (and it seems that you did). Instead of symlinking you can also copy the php binary there which you seem to have done.
(IMG) then write a simple PHP file and save it as /var/gopher/phpinfo.php:
(???) ?php
(???) >
(TN3) he end result is here:
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/0/phpinfo.php
(TN3) he only mistake you made was putting the content into the filter directory - only filters go to the filter directory, php files will live normally anywhere under /var/gopher/. Also since this is gopher you need to make sure to have your filetype in the url (that "0/" above just before phpinfo).
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Noob question about Gophernicus and PHP
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(???) im Holviala <kim@...> writes:
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(???) On Jan 30, 2014, at 13:16, Peter Garner <ipad@...> wrote:
(???)
(???) > I've set up PHP for Gophernicus and have confirmed
(???) > that I can run a test php script from the command line and
(???) > I've updated my xinetd.conf to include the -f flag.
(???) >
(???) > However, I need some clarification on how to call a php
(???) > script: at the moment my php(-cli) is located in
(???) > /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters and I have a helloworld.php in
(???) > there as well.
(???)
(???) Yeah... the documentation could be a bit better. You should complain
(DOC) irectly to the idiot who wrot....
(???)
(???) .... oh, it was me? Then it's just a feature, not a bug :D.
(???)
(???) OK, here's how it works:
(???)
(???) I have "-f /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters" in my gophernicus options. That
(???) akes gophernicus to search
(???) for "filters" from that directory - filter being an executable which
(???) ilters content files into
(???) something else before sending them to the client.
(???)
(???) My php filter looks like this:
(???)
(???) $ ls -la /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters/php
(???) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jan 25 15:09 /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters/php ->
(???) ./../../bin/php5
(???)
(???) What it means is that all files ending with .php will be filtered through
(???) he ../../../bin/php5 binary (in
(???) other words, /usr/bin/php5). Since gopher is not html make sure you point
(???) hat to the CLI version of php,
(???) not the CGI version (and it seems that you did). Instead of symlinking you
(???) an also copy the php binary there
(???) which you seem to have done.
(???)
(???) I then write a simple PHP file and save it as /var/gopher/phpinfo.php:
(???)
(???) <?php
(???)
(???) ?>
(???)
(???) The end result is here:
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/0/phpinfo.php
(???)
(???) The only mistake you made was putting the content into the filter
(DOC) irectory - only filters go to the filter
(???) directory, php files will live normally anywhere under /var/gopher/. Also
(SND) ince this is gopher you need
(???) to make sure to have your filetype in the url (that "0/" above just before
(PNG) hpinfo).
(???)
(???) - Kim
(???)
(???) erfect - all good now thanks. Yes, please have a word with your
(DOC) oc writer ;-) Here's a quick 'n dirty working script:
(???) ?php
(PNG) rint 'iYou said: ' . $_SERVER["QUERY_STRING"];
(???) >
(???) nd the gophermap:
(???) -- Test Area - expect things to fail -----------------------------
(QRY) Test Thing 1 /Test/q.php gopher.petergarner.net 70
(???) nd now, I'm off to look at PHP's gopher facilities. Thanks for the help!
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