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(???) n Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net> wrote:
(???) Hi all,
(???) =
(???) http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/ allows Gopher co=
(???) tent to be viewed in any web browser, by converting Gopher content into we=
(???) pages as you request it.
(???) =
(???) And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep bots & searc=
(HTM) engines out.
(???) I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other threads on th=
s subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) ersonally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my gopher reso=
(???) rces, but I think quite a lot of people here object to that. I think the e=
(???) siest way would be to just have a robots.txt to completely block all spide=
(???) ing.
(???) nyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org works.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 13.09.2013 10:33, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net> wrote:
(???)
(???) > Hi all,
(???) >
(???) > http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/ allows Gopher c=
(???) ntent to be viewed in any web browser, by converting Gopher content into w=
(???) b pages as you request it.
(???) >
(???) > And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep bots & sear=
(???) h engines out.
(???) > I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other threads on t=
(HTM) is subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???)
(???) Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my gopher re=
(SND) ources, but I think quite a lot of people here object to that. I think the=
(???) easiest way would be to just have a robots.txt to completely block all spi=
(DOC) ering.
(???)
(???) Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org works.
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) - Kim
(???)
(???) mm, blocking all spidering will keep search engines from indexing =
(???) opher-servers, some of which contain a treasure of documents from times =
(GIF) one by.
(???) ow about I only let Google in? (Does anyone use any other search engine =
(???) nyway?)
(???) ll credit goes to Stephen Morley. I merely took over his creation after =
(HTM) e decided to discontinue hosting.
(???) ut thanks anyway ;-)
(???) reetings,
(???) Evert
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(???) n Sep 13, 2013, at 11:50, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net> wrote:
(???) Hmm, blocking all spidering will keep search engines from indexing Gopher-servers, some of which contain a treasure of documents from times gone by.
(TN3) rue. Like I said I have nothing against crawling, but other seem to have... So better just wait to see what others think of it.
(???) How about I only let Google in? (Does anyone use any other search engine anyway?)
(???) ell, personally I don't use Google for anything, ever. We use Gmail @ work, but give how unreliable and slow it is we'll probably move onto something else....
(???) Kim
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(???) ash: RIPEMD160
(???) pologies for the top post...
(???) elevant segue for raising the ugly head of this topic again is actually
(GIF) oing to follow this posting.
(???) ow here's where I put on my flame retardant suit...
(???) n 05/16/2011 07:22 PM, Bradley D. Thornton wrote:
(???)
(???)
(???) On 05/16/2011 12:14 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) >> do anyone else observe 89.16.178.179, gopherproxy.org is accessing a
(???) >> selector every minute for day in a row ? , seems like
(???) >> someone is crawling through that proxy.
(???)
(???) > That someone is probably a web robot. I've had a few go-rounds with the
(???) > proprietor of gopherproxy.org when I temporarily blocked it for DOSing the
(???) > Twitter->gopher gateway after causing it to exceed its rate limit.
(???)
(???) Yeah, although I haven't blocked any HTTP to Gopher proxies (yet), I
(???) consider it from time to time - I just don't think it's time to block
(???) them yet. I will, however, at some point.
(???)
(???) My thinking is this:
(???)
(???) Gopher isn't something to *bring back*. It is simply (whether I am
(???) endeared to it or not) a useful protocol, that went overlooked and was
(???) marginalized by the dot-com bubble a decade ago.
(???)
(???) Advertising blitzkriegs, etc., just don't fit well in the Gopher model.
(???) Its utility is outstanding for serving files without kruft, although I'm
(???) still waiting on the latest data from Vishnu to see how well we're
(???) coming along with search technology - one of the keys to rebuilding
(???) critical mass.
(???)
(???) At this point, HTTP to Gopher proxies serve, affirmatively, to build
(???) that critical mass, but there's no point in supporting, by porting to,
(???) the gopher protocol if all that exists is the same ole same ole.
(???)
(???) That's why A good percentage of my gopherholes are populated with
(???) *unique content* that you can't get from me via HTTP - namely, a rather
(???) large repository of 64bit Slackware packages.
(???)
(???) Now, that sounds great, but for those of you who aren't fellow slackers,
(???) I need to disclose that most slackers do things ourselves (Make our own
(???) packages from source), so there isn't a truly great demand for [most] of
(???) my packages. Some you can only get from me, and since pretty much
(???) everyone uses Firefox, Iceweasel, or Icecat, they already have direct
(???) access.
(???)
(???) For the b0n3h34ds running Internet Exploder, they have, as an option at
(???) this time, to browse my gopherhole via an HTTP proxy.
(???)
(???) In the future, I intend to simply categorically block all HTTP to Gopher
(???) proxies, not to be mean, but to encourage the use of either gopher
(???) clients, or gopher capable clients.
(???)
(???) I'm proud to say that I've even gotten flamed a couple of times for not
(???) making the more unique parts of my respository available via HTTP.
(???)
(???) I figure you can always use Lynx, in a pinch ;)
(???)
(???) But for now... We're simply building awareness (people have short
(???) memories), once we build demand, I'll close the HTTP door. I have no
(???) idea when that will be. Maybe it will be like an Arnold movie when he
(???) says, "You'll know when I give the signal".
(???)
(???) Think of it as my way of contributing to our refoliation project :)
(???)
(???) I know I've ranted a couple of times in chan #gopherproject about this a
(???) few times, but Cameron, you're not there, so this may be the first time
(???) you've heard it from me ;)
(???)
(???) Thoughts, everyone?
(???)
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(???) ash: RIPEMD160
(???) n 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net> wrote:
(???) =
(???) > Hi all,
(???) >
(???) > http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/ allows Gopher c=
(???) ntent to be viewed in any web browser, by converting Gopher content into w=
(???) b pages as you request it.
(???) >
(???) > And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep bots & sear=
(???) h engines out.
(???) > I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other threads on t=
(HTM) is subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) =
(???) Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my gopher re=
(SND) ources, but I think quite a lot of people here object to that. I think the=
(???) easiest way would be to just have a robots.txt to completely block all spi=
(DOC) ering.
(IMG) 'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing resources,
(???) ut any access to my resources via http. If I wanted web browsers using
(HTM) ypertext transfer protocol browsing through my resources then I would
(PNG) ut them on webservers - which I already do for other resources.
(TN3) his has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) onsidering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here felt
(???) hat any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by any foreign
(PNG) rotocol was better than not being indexed or accessed at all, and I
(DOC) isagree, at least where my resources are concerned, especially since I
(???) aintain unique content only available via gopher:// protocol.
(IMG) t's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one am of
(???) he mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via http:// then
(???) here is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???) s far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a http
(SND) tandard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some other way
(???) o limit indexing of gopher resources for those who choose to do so. I
(DOC) o not choose to block such indexing, and welcome it, just not via a
(???) eans that is only going to lead to an URL in google that starts with an
(HTM) ttp:// instead of a gopher://
(IMG) f those come up as dead links because the protocol is not supported by
(SND) ome particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google could put a note
(SND) aying that the browser needs to be capable of accessing gopher sites or
(???) hat the user needs a plugin - I dunno, and don't much care.
(IMG) can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't get
ndexed or returned as search strings because some, or many browsers do
(???) ot yet, or no longer, support those protocols. Here's a list of some
(???) RIs where the protocols may or may not be supported depending upon
(???) hether certain software is installed on the client machine, or plugins
(HTM) ave been installed, or support is inherent in some or most browsers:
(GIF) opher://
(???) tp://
(SND) kype://
(HTM) ttp://
(HTM) ttps://
(???) gain, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher resources
(???) ia an http to gopher proxy. They can access those resources with a
(???) lient that is gopher capable or not access them at all - this is the
(???) nly way that gopher will have any relevance.
(IMG) see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be accessed
(???) ia hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am now more
nclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy servers at this time
(???) han I ever have been.
(???) oing back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this particular
(PNG) osting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few moments ago...
(???) =
(???) Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org works.
(???) ey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort and
(???) evel of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let gopher fall
(???) urther into obscurity because it can be relegated into insignificance
(???) y browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol clients) that do not have
(GIF) opher support, and search engines that will not provide search results
(???) s gopher:// URIs.
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) - Kim
(???) =
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(???) n 13.09.2013 14:02, Bradley D. Thornton wrote:
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(???)
(???) On 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net> wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> Hi all,
(???) >>
(???) >> http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/ allows Gopher =
(???) ontent to be viewed in any web browser, by converting Gopher content into =
(???) eb pages as you request it.
(???) >>
(???) >> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep bots & sea=
(???) ch engines out.
(???) >> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other threads on =
(???) his subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) >
(???) > Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my gopher r=
(???) sources, but I think quite a lot of people here object to that. I think th=
(???) easiest way would be to just have a robots.txt to completely block all sp=
dering.
(???)
(???) I'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing resources,
(???) but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted web browsers using
(???) hypertext transfer protocol browsing through my resources then I would
(???) put them on webservers - which I already do for other resources.
(???)
(???) This has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) considering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here felt
(???) that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by any foreign
(???) protocol was better than not being indexed or accessed at all, and I
(???) disagree, at least where my resources are concerned, especially since I
(???) maintain unique content only available via gopher:// protocol.
(???)
(???) It's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one am of
(???) the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via http:// then
(???) there is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???)
(???) As far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a http
(???) standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some other way
(???) to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who choose to do so. I
(???) do not choose to block such indexing, and welcome it, just not via a
(???) means that is only going to lead to an URL in google that starts with an
(???) http:// instead of a gopher://
(???)
(???) If those come up as dead links because the protocol is not supported by
(???) some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google could put a note
(???) saying that the browser needs to be capable of accessing gopher sites or
(???) that the user needs a plugin - I dunno, and don't much care.
(???)
(???) I can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't get
(???) indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many browsers do
(???) not yet, or no longer, support those protocols. Here's a list of some
(???) URIs where the protocols may or may not be supported depending upon
(???) whether certain software is installed on the client machine, or plugins
(???) have been installed, or support is inherent in some or most browsers:
(???)
(???) gopher://
(???) ftp://
(???) skype://
(???) http://
(???) https://
(???)
(???) Again, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher resources
(???) via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those resources with a
(???) client that is gopher capable or not access them at all - this is the
(???) only way that gopher will have any relevance.
(???)
(???) I see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be accessed
(???) via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am now more
(???) inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy servers at this time
(???) than I ever have been.
(???)
(???) Going back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this particular
(???) posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few moments ago...
(???)
(???)
(???) >
(???) > Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org works.
(???)
(???) Hey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort and
(???) level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let gopher fall
(???) further into obscurity because it can be relegated into insignificance
(???) by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol clients) that do not have
(???) gopher support, and search engines that will not provide search results
(???) as gopher:// URIs.
(???)
(???)
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > - Kim
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???)
(???) - --
(???) Bradley D. Thornton
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(???) ell, a simple solution for Bradley (and all others who aren't into =
(GIF) opher-http connectivity:
(???) lock connections from 46.182.107.117 going to 70/tcp and =
(HTM) ttp://gopher.meulie.net/ / http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/ stays out of =
(???) our Gopher server.
(???) nd absolutely no hard feelings from its maintainer, should you choose =
(???) o do so! :-)
(???) reetings,
(???) Evert Meulie
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(???) ash: RIPEMD160
(???) n 09/13/2013 06:08 AM, Evert Meulie wrote:
(???) Well, a simple solution for Bradley (and all others who aren't into
(???) gopher-http connectivity:
(???) block connections from 46.182.107.117 going to 70/tcp and
(???) http://gopher.meulie.net/ / http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/ stays out of
(???) your Gopher server.
(???) And absolutely no hard feelings from its maintainer, should you choose
(???) to do so! :-)
(???) h I can't do that really at this time. I try to follow the consensus
(HTM) ere and that consensus to date has been that I'm not with the program,
(???) nd being a bit of a pissy assed pariah if I do so :)
(IMG) n principle, I have nothing but accolades for what you are doing. It's
(???) ust that I don't think it's the right way to get people to use gopher
(???) esources, and further, only serves for further marginalize the
(PNG) rotocol, and has contributed in a big way to support for the protocol
(???) o be dropped from browsers (Firefox just last year I think?).
(TN3) he main point however, is that I'm opposed to using a file called
(???) robots.txt' on a gopher server. I'm not particular as to what that file
(SND) hould be called other than that, however - perhaps, arachnid.txt would
(SND) uffice - but certainly, unequivocally, something that is specific to
(GIF) opher - *not* HTTP.
(???) indest regards,
(???) --
(???) radley D. Thornton
(???) anager Network Services
(???) orthTech Computer
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(???) In principle, I have nothing but accolades for what you are doing. It's
(???) just that I don't think it's the right way to get people to use gopher
(???) resources, and further, only serves for further marginalize the
(???) protocol, and has contributed in a big way to support for the protocol
(???) to be dropped from browsers (Firefox just last year I think?).
(???)
(???) The main point however, is that I'm opposed to using a file called
(???) 'robots.txt' on a gopher server. I'm not particular as to what that file
(???) should be called other than that, however - perhaps, arachnid.txt would
(???) suffice - but certainly, unequivocally, something that is specific to
(???) gopher - *not* HTTP.
(IMG) think Evert is proposing this for the *web* side of the proxy to retard
ndexing.
(TN3) hat said, Veronica-2 already uses a robots.txt file so gopherholes can tell
t to keep out of certain selectors, so this has precedent.
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(???) vert, nice to see you here. Thanks for everything on meulie.net; it's a
(GIF) ood treasure trove. I see Veronica-2 is busily reindexing it as we speak.
(???) Hmm, blocking all spidering will keep search engines from indexing
(???) Gopher-servers, some of which contain a treasure of documents from times
(???) gone by.
(???)
(???) How about I only let Google in? (Does anyone use any other search engine
(???) anyway?)
(TN3) his seems like a reasonable compromise to me personally, though for the
(???) ecord the Floodgap proxy has <meta> tags up to tell all robots not to
ndex, even Google, and IPs or user agents that demonstrate spidering activity
(???) ind up in a blacklist when I discover them (my custom log-analysis software
(HTM) ighlights unusually high levels of activity).
(???) ut, as long as some enforcement were run on the other end to deal with bots
(???) hat ignore robots.txt, speaking with my gopher server operator hat on I'd
(???) e fine with letting Google still continue to index through.
(???) All credit goes to Stephen Morley. I merely took over his creation after
(???) he decided to discontinue hosting.
(IMG) 'm glad to see you took it over. Stephen and I didn't get along so well on
(PNG) roxy policy, as you may have seen from previous messages, but he did a very
(GIF) ood job designing it (much better than my strictly utilitarian effort).
(???) ny decision "the proxy cartel" comes to should also involve the pongonova
(PNG) roxy (Brian Koontz) since his is probably #3 in the traffic hierarchy.
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(???) n Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 06:47:46AM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > In principle, I have nothing but accolades for what you are doing. It's
(???) > just that I don't think it's the right way to get people to use gopher
(???) > resources, and further, only serves for further marginalize the
(???) > protocol, and has contributed in a big way to support for the protocol
(???) > to be dropped from browsers (Firefox just last year I think?).
(???) From what I remember, Mozilla was *quite* invested into dropping Gopher
(SND) upport. No matter what arguments or comments people had against, they
(???) ere not even complaining about having to maintain the code (well, they
(???) did* complain, but once Cameron stepped forward and offered to maintain
t, it became quite obvious that it wasn't the real reason). I doubt not
(HTM) aving a way to access gopher though HTTP would have stopped them.
(???) > The main point however, is that I'm opposed to using a file called
(???) > 'robots.txt' on a gopher server. I'm not particular as to what that file
(???) > should be called other than that, however - perhaps, arachnid.txt would
(???) > suffice - but certainly, unequivocally, something that is specific to
(???) > gopher - *not* HTTP.
(???) =
(???) I think Evert is proposing this for the *web* side of the proxy to retard
(???) indexing.
(???) =
(???) That said, Veronica-2 already uses a robots.txt file so gopherholes can t=
(???) ll
(???) it to keep out of certain selectors, so this has precedent.
(???) lso, I'd say that "robots.txt" sounds like something that's
(???) obots-specific, not HTTP-specific. If robots.txt is already used for
(???) TTP, I wonder if the gopherspace shouldn't just use the same filename.
(???) TTP and gopher are somewhat similar with respect to spidering, I'd
(SND) ay. From a spider point of view, maybe it'd be simpler to have to worry
(???) ith just one filename?
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(???) n Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 07:40:05AM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > > And this is likely a stupid question that was answered several times,
(???) > > but what gopher clients are there for android?
(???) > =
(???) > I know of only one: Overbite http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/
(???) > Sadly it seems development stopped 3 years ago at v0.2, but still - it =
(???) > works.
(???) =
(???) I just haven't gotten around to writing more for it. I do have a bug with
(???) Android 4.0+ that I need to fix and I'm pretty sure what the cause is.
(TN3) his is a *very* late reply, but I finally installed Overbite on my
(PNG) hone (Android 4.1), seems to be working.
(???) s I don't have an android development toolchain installed, I can't
(???) eally play with the code right now, but a couple things I am curious
(???) bout:
(???) How are you dealing with the encoding? It seems to be expecting
(???) iso8859-encoded text (or something other than utf8). Maybe this is
(???) hard to change?
(???) Are you planning any feature to change the interface colors? Or am I
(???) just missing some android setting that lets me pick something other
(???) than black text on a white background?
(???) - =
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gopher for Android?
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(???) > > > And this is likely a stupid question that was answered several times,
(???) > > > but what gopher clients are there for android?
(???) > >
(???) > > I know of only one: Overbite http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/
(???) > > Sadly it seems development stopped 3 years ago at v0.2, but still - it
(???) > > works.
(???) >
(???) > I just haven't gotten around to writing more for it. I do have a bug with
(???) > Android 4.0+ that I need to fix and I'm pretty sure what the cause is.
(???)
(???) This is a *very* late reply, but I finally installed Overbite on my
(???) phone (Android 4.1), seems to be working.
(???) o, it works mostly fine. It has an intermittent crash bug which seems to be
(???) elated to a change in how the progress bar is implemented. However,
(???) pgrading the Android SDK on my Mac seems to have busted my build and I'm
(???) rying to untangle that.
(???) As I don't have an android development toolchain installed, I can't
(???) really play with the code right now, but a couple things I am curious
(???) about:
(???)
(???) - How are you dealing with the encoding? It seems to be expecting
(???) iso8859-encoded text (or something other than utf8). Maybe this is
(???) hard to change?
(IMG) t uses an internal webview, ironically, and converts everything to
(???) asic HTML. There's probably a way to alter it, but I haven't done so.
(???) - Are you planning any feature to change the interface colors? Or am I
(???) just missing some android setting that lets me pick something other
(???) than black text on a white background?
(IMG) wasn't planning to do this, but I'm open to suggestions about improving
(???) he interface. One simple way is just to have the generated HTML set the
(???) olours off a palette.
(???) -
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(???) > > In principle, I have nothing but accolades for what you are doing. It's
(???) > > just that I don't think it's the right way to get people to use gopher
(???) > > resources, and further, only serves for further marginalize the
(???) > > protocol, and has contributed in a big way to support for the protocol
(???) > > to be dropped from browsers (Firefox just last year I think?).
(???)
(???) From what I remember, Mozilla was *quite* invested into dropping Gopher
(???) support. No matter what arguments or comments people had against, they
(???) were not even complaining about having to maintain the code (well, they
(???) *did* complain, but once Cameron stepped forward and offered to maintain
(???) it, it became quite obvious that it wasn't the real reason). I doubt not
(???) having a way to access gopher though HTTP would have stopped them.
(???) ug 388195 brings back a lot of bad memories, sigh.
(???) n the plus side, the JavaScript proof of concept I wrote up (and which
(???) hey ignored) became the first version of OverbiteFF.
(???) ut yes, I agree with Nuno's recollection. The fix was in from the beginning,
(???) nd mitigating factors weren't really part of their analysis. That said,
(???) hat fight would have just been waged later, so moving to OverbiteFF was a
(GIF) ood thing overall and put the client code in the hands of the community.
(???) -
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(???) i
(???) ust my thoughts about Overbite - i'm quite pleased with it, and use it from time to time on my android phone. Never noticed any crahes. There are 3 things that I miss:
(???) - a 'night mode' (or at least customizable color scheme)
(???) - bookmarks
(???) - ability to download binary files
(???) ther than that, overbite is doing really well for me. :)
(???) ateusz
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > > > > And this is likely a stupid question that was answered several
(???) times,
(???) > > > > but what gopher clients are there for android?
(???) > > >
(???) > > > I know of only one: Overbite http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/
(???) > > > Sadly it seems development stopped 3 years ago at v0.2, but still
(???) - it
(???) > > > works.
(???) > >
(???) > > I just haven't gotten around to writing more for it. I do have a
(???) bug with
(???) > > Android 4.0+ that I need to fix and I'm pretty sure what the cause
(???) is.
(???) >
(???) > This is a *very* late reply, but I finally installed Overbite on my
(???) > phone (Android 4.1), seems to be working.
(???)
(???) No, it works mostly fine. It has an intermittent crash bug which seems
(???) to be
(???) related to a change in how the progress bar is implemented. However,
(???) upgrading the Android SDK on my Mac seems to have busted my build and
(???) I'm
(???) trying to untangle that.
(???)
(???) > As I don't have an android development toolchain installed, I can't
(???) > really play with the code right now, but a couple things I am curious
(???) > about:
(???) >
(???) > - How are you dealing with the encoding? It seems to be expecting
(???) > iso8859-encoded text (or something other than utf8). Maybe this is
(???) > hard to change?
(???)
(???) It uses an internal webview, ironically, and converts everything to
(???) basic HTML. There's probably a way to alter it, but I haven't done so.
(???)
(???) > - Are you planning any feature to change the interface colors? Or am
(???) I
(???) > just missing some android setting that lets me pick something other
(???) > than black text on a white background?
(???)
(???) I wasn't planning to do this, but I'm open to suggestions about
(???) improving
(???) the interface. One simple way is just to have the generated HTML set
(???) the
(???) colours off a palette.
(???) ateusz
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(???) ash: RIPEMD160
(???) n 09/15/2013 01:15 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???)
(???) Bug 388195 brings back a lot of bad memories, sigh.
(???)
(???) On the plus side, the JavaScript proof of concept I wrote up (and which
(???) they ignored) became the first version of OverbiteFF.
(???)
(???) But yes, I agree with Nuno's recollection. The fix was in from the beginning,
(???) and mitigating factors weren't really part of their analysis. That said,
(???) that fight would have just been waged later, so moving to OverbiteFF was a
(???) good thing overall and put the client code in the hands of the community.
(???)
(???) ell, I doubt they're going to drop support for ftp:// anytime soon, but
(???) ther protocols that prolly *should* be inherent in the browser's core
(???) ode require plugins too - for example: irc:// - so I guess this isn't
(PNG) articular to us.
(???) till, if they had competent and willing maintainers, and there was no
(HTM) arm in continuing to support gopher, then I have to wonder what their
(???) genda was in dropping it.
(IMG) see we've already got precedence w/robots.txt too. Thanks guys, for
(PNG) ointing that out to me :)
(???) indest regards,
(???) --
(???) radley D. Thornton
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gopher for Android?
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(???) ash: RIPEMD160
(???) n 09/15/2013 01:20 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) Hi
(???)
(???) Just my thoughts about Overbite - i'm quite pleased with it, and use it from time to time on my android phone. Never noticed any crahes.
(IMG) IRC, there were a couple of bugs that made it into a release over the
(PNG) ast couple of years, but no one noticed because Cameron u/l'd the
(PNG) atched versions to the repos before anyone even had a chance to d/l or
(???) pdate to the flawed versions :)
(???) indest regards,
(???) --
(???) radley D. Thornton
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(???) ello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I
(???) aunched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in
(GIF) opherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at gopherpedia.com, or via
(PNG) roxy server at http://gopherpedia.com/
(TN3) he data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the
(???) ront page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.
(TN3) his is definitely a work in progress with some kinks and rough edges.
(TN3) o implement the site, I wrote a custom gopher server in ruby as well
(???) s a PHP proxy server, both of which are available on github:
(HTM) ttps://github.com/muffinista/gopher2000
(HTM) ttps://github.com/muffinista/gophper-proxy
(TN3) he data is a little stale because dealing with wikipedia dumps is a
(???) hallenging and time-consuming process, but I will probably try and
(???) eep it reasonably up to date. There's also the occasional place where
(???) y parsing of wikitext isn't quite working.
(IMG) have fond memories of using gopher in the early days of my life on
(???) he internet, so this was both a fun learning exercise, and a chance
(???) o revisit those early adventures.
(TN3) hanks!
(???) -
(???) olin Mitchell
(HTM) ttp://muffinlabs.com/
(TN3) his is my signature
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(IMG) think we might be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER
(PNG) rotocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to
(???) onvince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.
(???) ----Original Message-----
(???) rom: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.US] =
(???) ent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM
(TN3) o: Gopher Project Discussion
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(???) opher Proxy
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(???) ash: RIPEMD160
(???) n 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net>
(???) rote:
(???) =
(???) > Hi all,
(???) >
(???) > http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/
(???) llows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by
(???) onverting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.
(???) >
(???) > And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep
(???) ots & search engines out.
(???) > I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other
(???) hreads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) =
(???) Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my
(GIF) opher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object
(???) o that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a
(???) obots.txt to completely block all spidering.
(IMG) 'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing
(???) esources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted
(???) eb browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through
(???) y resources then I would put them on webservers - which I
(???) lready do for other resources.
(TN3) his has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) onsidering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here
(???) elt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by
(???) ny foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or
(???) ccessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are
(???) oncerned, especially since I maintain unique content only
(???) vailable via gopher:// protocol.
(IMG) t's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one
(???) m of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via
(HTM) ttp:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???) s far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a
(HTM) ttp standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some
(???) ther way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who
(???) hoose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and
(???) elcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an
(???) RL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://
(IMG) f those come up as dead links because the protocol is not
(SND) upported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google
(???) ould put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of
(???) ccessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,
(???) nd don't much care.
(IMG) can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't
(GIF) et indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many
(???) rowsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.
(???) ere's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be
(SND) upported depending upon whether certain software is installed on
(???) he client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is
nherent in some or most browsers:
(GIF) opher://
(???) tp://
(SND) kype://
(HTM) ttp://
(HTM) ttps://
(???) gain, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher
(???) esources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those
(???) esources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them
(???) t all - this is the only way that gopher will have any
(???) elevance.
(IMG) see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be
(???) ccessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am
(???) ow more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy
(SND) ervers at this time than I ever have been.
(???) oing back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this
(PNG) articular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few
(???) oments ago...
(???) =
(???) Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org
(???) orks.
(???) ey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort
(???) nd level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let
(GIF) opher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated
nto insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol
(???) lients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that
(???) ill not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) - Kim
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(???) n 09/13/2013 05:41 AM, Kyle Hooks wrote:
(???) I think we might be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER
(???) protocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to
(???) convince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.
(TN3) hanks for the top-post there! :(
(???) nyway, on the surface that sounds like the sane thing to do, doesn't
t? Perhaps Cameron could weigh in on his thought related to this
(???) atter, considering he was shot down in flames on this subject while
(???) irefox still had support for gopher:// protocol in its core.
(???) articularly, there was talk of a concerted agenda to divest Firefox of
(GIF) opher regardless of any commitments offered to maintain the code, etc.,
(???) nd I'm interested in hearing just what the hearsay or supposition on
(???) hat touchy subject was.
(IMG) mean, if the deciding factor was related strictly to critical mass vs
(???) ruft, okay I can understand that - but the impression I got was that
nsiders over there did this w/prejudice for some reason.
(???) =
(???) -----Original Message-----
(???) From: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.US] =
(???) Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM
(???) To: Gopher Project Discussion
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of
(???) Gopher Proxy
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) On 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net>
(???) wrote:
(???) =
(???) >> Hi all,
(???) >>
(???) >> http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/
(???) allows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by
(???) converting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.
(???) >>
(???) >> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep
(???) bots & search engines out.
(???) >> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other
(???) threads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) =
(???) > Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my
(???) gopher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object
(???) to that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a
(???) robots.txt to completely block all spidering.
(???) =
(???) I'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing
(???) resources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted
(???) web browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through
(???) my resources then I would put them on webservers - which I
(???) already do for other resources.
(???) =
(???) This has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) considering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here
(???) felt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by
(???) any foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or
(???) accessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are
(???) concerned, especially since I maintain unique content only
(???) available via gopher:// protocol.
(???) =
(???) It's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one
(???) am of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via
(???) http:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???) =
(???) As far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a
(???) http standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some
(???) other way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who
(???) choose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and
(???) welcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an
(???) URL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://
(???) =
(???) If those come up as dead links because the protocol is not
(???) supported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google
(???) could put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of
(???) accessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,
(???) and don't much care.
(???) =
(???) I can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't
(???) get indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many
(???) browsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.
(???) Here's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be
(???) supported depending upon whether certain software is installed on
(???) the client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is
(???) inherent in some or most browsers:
(???) =
(???) gopher://
(???) ftp://
(???) skype://
(???) http://
(???) https://
(???) =
(???) Again, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher
(???) resources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those
(???) resources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them
(???) at all - this is the only way that gopher will have any
(???) relevance.
(???) =
(???) I see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be
(???) accessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am
(???) now more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy
(???) servers at this time than I ever have been.
(???) =
(???) Going back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this
(???) particular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few
(???) moments ago...
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) > Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org
(???) works.
(???) =
(???) Hey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort
(???) and level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let
(???) gopher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated
(???) into insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol
(???) clients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that
(???) will not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) > - Kim
(???) =
(???) =
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) =
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(???) n Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Colin Mitchell
(???) muffinista+gopher@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) Hello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I
(???) launched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in
(???) gopherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at gopherpedia.com, or via
(???) proxy server at http://gopherpedia.com/
(???)
(IMG) must say that I liked the idea straight away so I accessed the
(???) ontent both ways (with and without proxy). Congrats, I think this is
(???) good contribution to gopherspace.
(???) The data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the
(???) front page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.
(???)
(???) nd the search engine seems to work pretty well.
(TN3) hanks
(???) -
(???) hals
(???) ww.chalsattack.com
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(???) n Sat, 31 Aug 2013, Colin Mitchell wrote:
(???) Hello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I
(???) launched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in
(???) gopherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at gopherpedia.com, or via
(???) proxy server at http://gopherpedia.com/
(???)
(???) The data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the
(???) front page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.
(???)
(???) ice work, wikipedia is such a killer feature when one needs to waste some
(???) ime, its amazing how one can get from one topic to a whole different one
n a few clicks.
(???) ad toyed with the idear myself, had the wiki dumps here and made some
(???) ode, but as you says its a time consuming process to keep it uptodate,
(???) ig files and all that .
(SND) eems the i lines your server sendes includes an extra field
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(???) ull
(SND) hould only be itext\thost\tport
(???) ables gets a bit confusing when they gets linewrapped, but not much you
(???) an do, sans detecting tables and send lines as long as needed, and let
(???) he clients handle any issues that may arise, else it works perfect.
(???) egards
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(???) acob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:230/38.8
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(TN3) his is really impressive good job!
(TN3) his makes a lot of sense, too.
(TN3) his is much more clear than Wikipedia.
(???) ext step is to try it with Lynx and see how it looks.
(???) reat addition to the community, I wonder if something like this could be
mplemented for most popular sites.
(???) n Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM, <
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(???) Today's Topics:
(???)
(???) 1. Announcing gopherpedia.com (Colin Mitchell)
(???) 2. Re: Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of Gopher Proxy
(???) (Kyle Hooks)
(???) 3. Re: Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of Gopher Proxy
(???) (Bradley D. Thornton)
(???) 4. Re: Announcing gopherpedia.com (chals)
(???) 5. Re: Announcing gopherpedia.com (Jacob Dahl Pind)
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(???)
(???) ---------- Forwarded message ----------
(???) From: Colin Mitchell <muffinista+gopher@gmail.com>
(???) To: gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) Cc:
(???) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:49:22 -0400
(???) Subject: [gopher] Announcing gopherpedia.com
(???) Hello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I
(???) launched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in
(???) gopherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at gopherpedia.com, or via
(???) proxy server at http://gopherpedia.com/
(???)
(???) The data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the
(???) front page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.
(???)
(???) This is definitely a work in progress with some kinks and rough edges.
(???) To implement the site, I wrote a custom gopher server in ruby as well
(???) as a PHP proxy server, both of which are available on github:
(???)
(???) https://github.com/muffinista/gopher2000
(???) https://github.com/muffinista/gophper-proxy
(???)
(???) The data is a little stale because dealing with wikipedia dumps is a
(???) challenging and time-consuming process, but I will probably try and
(???) keep it reasonably up to date. There's also the occasional place where
(???) my parsing of wikitext isn't quite working.
(???)
(???) I have fond memories of using gopher in the early days of my life on
(???) the internet, so this was both a fun learning exercise, and a chance
(???) to revisit those early adventures.
(???)
(???) Thanks!
(???)
(???)
(???) --
(???) Colin Mitchell
(???) http://muffinlabs.com/
(???) This is my signature
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) ---------- Forwarded message ----------
(???) From: "Kyle Hooks" <kthprog@gmail.com>
(???) To: "'Gopher Project Discussion'" <gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org=
(???)
(???) Cc:
(???) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:41:53 -0400
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of Gopher Proxy
(???) I think we might be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER
(???) protocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to
(???) convince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.
(???)
(???) -----Original Message-----
(???) From: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.US]
(???) Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM
(???) To: Gopher Project Discussion
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of
(???) Gopher Proxy
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(???)
(???) On 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net>
(???) wrote:
(???) >
(???) >> Hi all,
(???) >>
(???) >> http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/
(???) allows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by
(???) converting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.
(???) >>
(???) >> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep
(???) bots & search engines out.
(???) >> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other
(???) threads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) >
(???) > Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my
(???) gopher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object
(???) to that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a
(???) robots.txt to completely block all spidering.
(???)
(???) I'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing
(???) resources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted
(???) web browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through
(???) my resources then I would put them on webservers - which I
(???) already do for other resources.
(???)
(???) This has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) considering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here
(???) felt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by
(???) any foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or
(???) accessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are
(???) concerned, especially since I maintain unique content only
(???) available via gopher:// protocol.
(???)
(???) It's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one
(???) am of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via
(???) http:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???)
(???) As far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a
(???) http standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some
(???) other way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who
(???) choose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and
(???) welcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an
(???) URL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://
(???)
(???) If those come up as dead links because the protocol is not
(???) supported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google
(???) could put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of
(???) accessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,
(???) and don't much care.
(???)
(???) I can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't
(???) get indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many
(???) browsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.
(???) Here's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be
(???) supported depending upon whether certain software is installed on
(???) the client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is
(???) inherent in some or most browsers:
(???)
(???) gopher://
(???) ftp://
(???) skype://
(???) http://
(???) https://
(???)
(???) Again, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher
(???) resources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those
(???) resources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them
(???) at all - this is the only way that gopher will have any
(???) relevance.
(???)
(???) I see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be
(???) accessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am
(???) now more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy
(???) servers at this time than I ever have been.
(???)
(???) Going back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this
(???) particular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few
(???) moments ago...
(???)
(???)
(???) >
(???) > Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org
(???) works.
(???)
(???) Hey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort
(???) and level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let
(???) gopher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated
(???) into insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol
(???) clients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that
(???) will not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.
(???)
(???)
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > - Kim
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) >
(???) http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-pr
(???) oject
(???)
(???) - --
(???) Bradley D. Thornton
(???) Manager Network Services
(???) NorthTech Computer
(???) TEL: +1.310.388.9469 (US)
(???) TEL: +44.203.318.2755 (UK)
(???) TEL: +41.43.508.05.10 (CH)
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(???) On 09/13/2013 05:41 AM, Kyle Hooks wrote:
(???) > I think we might be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER
(???) > protocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to
(???) > convince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.
(???)
(???) Thanks for the top-post there! :(
(???)
(???) Anyway, on the surface that sounds like the sane thing to do, doesn't
(???) it? Perhaps Cameron could weigh in on his thought related to this
(???) matter, considering he was shot down in flames on this subject while
(???) Firefox still had support for gopher:// protocol in its core.
(???)
(???) Particularly, there was talk of a concerted agenda to divest Firefox of
(???) gopher regardless of any commitments offered to maintain the code, etc.,
(???) and I'm interested in hearing just what the hearsay or supposition on
(???) that touchy subject was.
(???)
(???) I mean, if the deciding factor was related strictly to critical mass vs
(???) kruft, okay I can understand that - but the impression I got was that
(???) insiders over there did this w/prejudice for some reason.
(???)
(???) >
(???) > -----Original Message-----
(???) > From: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.US]
(???) > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM
(???) > To: Gopher Project Discussion
(???) > Subject: Re: [gopher] Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of
(???) > Gopher Proxy
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > On 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net>
(???) > wrote:
(???) >
(???) >>> Hi all,
(???) >>>
(???) >>> http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/
(???) > allows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by
(???) > converting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep
(???) > bots & search engines out.
(???) >>> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other
(???) > threads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) >
(???) >> Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my
(???) > gopher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object
(???) > to that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a
(???) > robots.txt to completely block all spidering.
(???) >
(???) > I'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing
(???) > resources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted
(???) > web browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through
(???) > my resources then I would put them on webservers - which I
(???) > already do for other resources.
(???) >
(???) > This has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) > considering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here
(???) > felt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by
(???) > any foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or
(???) > accessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are
(???) > concerned, especially since I maintain unique content only
(???) > available via gopher:// protocol.
(???) >
(???) > It's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one
(???) > am of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via
(???) > http:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???) >
(???) > As far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a
(???) > http standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some
(???) > other way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who
(???) > choose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and
(???) > welcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an
(???) > URL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://
(???) >
(???) > If those come up as dead links because the protocol is not
(???) > supported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google
(???) > could put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of
(???) > accessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,
(???) > and don't much care.
(???) >
(???) > I can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't
(???) > get indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many
(???) > browsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.
(???) > Here's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be
(???) > supported depending upon whether certain software is installed on
(???) > the client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is
(???) > inherent in some or most browsers:
(???) >
(???) > gopher://
(???) > ftp://
(???) > skype://
(???) > http://
(???) > https://
(???) >
(???) > Again, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher
(???) > resources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those
(???) > resources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them
(???) > at all - this is the only way that gopher will have any
(???) > relevance.
(???) >
(???) > I see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be
(???) > accessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am
(???) > now more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy
(???) > servers at this time than I ever have been.
(???) >
(???) > Going back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this
(???) > particular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few
(???) > moments ago...
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >> Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org
(???) > works.
(???) >
(???) > Hey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort
(???) > and level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let
(???) > gopher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated
(???) > into insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol
(???) > clients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that
(???) > will not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >> - Kim
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >> _______________________________________________
(???) >> Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) >> Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) >
(???) > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-pr
(???) > oject
(???) >
(???)
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(???)
(???) ---------- Forwarded message ----------
(???) From: chals <chals@altorricon.com>
(???) To: Gopher Project Discussion <gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org>
(???) Cc:
(???) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:14:51 +0200
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Announcing gopherpedia.com
(???) On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Colin Mitchell
(???) <muffinista+gopher@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) > Hello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I
(???) > launched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in
(???) > gopherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at gopherpedia.com, or via
(???) > proxy server at http://gopherpedia.com/
(???) >
(???)
(???) I must say that I liked the idea straight away so I accessed the
(???) content both ways (with and without proxy). Congrats, I think this is
(???) a good contribution to gopherspace.
(???)
(???) > The data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the
(???) > front page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.
(???) >
(???)
(???) And the search engine seems to work pretty well.
(???)
(???) Thanks
(???)
(???) --
(???) chals
(???) www.chalsattack.com
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) ---------- Forwarded message ----------
(???) From: Jacob Dahl Pind <rachael@telefisk.org>
(???) To: Gopher Project Discussion <gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org>
(???) Cc:
(???) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:48:29 +0200 (CEST)
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Announcing gopherpedia.com
(???) On Sat, 31 Aug 2013, Colin Mitchell wrote:
(???)
(???) Hello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I
(???) > launched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in
(???) > gopherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at gopherpedia.com, or via
(???) > proxy server at http://gopherpedia.com/
(???) >
(???) > The data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the
(???) > front page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.
(???) >
(???) > Nice work, wikipedia is such a killer feature when one needs to waste
(???) some
(???) time, its amazing how one can get from one topic to a whole different one
(???) in a few clicks.
(???)
(???) Had toyed with the idear myself, had the wiki dumps here and made some
(???) code, but as you says its a time consuming process to keep it uptodate, b=
g
(???) files and all that .
(???)
(???) seems the i lines your server sendes includes an extra field
(???) i=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
(???) 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D**=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
(???) 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D**=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
(???) null (FALSE) 0
(???)
(???) should only be itext\thost\tport
(???)
(???) tables gets a bit confusing when they gets linewrapped, but not much you
(???) can do, sans detecting tables and send lines as long as needed, and let t=
(HTM) e
(???) clients handle any issues that may arise, else it works perfect.
(???)
(???) Regards
(???)
(???) --
(???) Jacob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:230/38.8
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>This is really impressive good job!<br=
(???) </div>This makes a lot of sense, too.<br></div>This is much more clear tha=
(???) Wikipedia.<br></div>Next step is to try it with Lynx and see how it looks=
(???) <br>
(???) /div>Great addition to the community, I wonder if something like this coul=
(DOC) be implemented for most popular sites.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
(???) ><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM, <spa=
(???) dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gopher-project-request@lists.alioth.deb=
an.org" target=3D"_blank">gopher-project-request@lists.alioth.debian.org</=
(???) >></span> wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Gopher-Project mailing list submissions=
(???) to<br>
(???) A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"mailto:gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org">g=
(???) pher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) br>
(TN3) o subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>
(???) A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/l=
stinfo/gopher-project" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cg=
-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) r, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>
(???) A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"mailto:gopher-project-request@lists.alioth.debia=
(???) .org">gopher-project-request@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) ou can reach the person managing the list at<br>
(???) A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"mailto:gopher-project-owner@lists.alioth.debian.=
(???) rg">gopher-project-owner@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) hen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
(???) han "Re: Contents of Gopher-Project digest..."<br>
(???) br>Today's Topics:<br>
(???) br>
(???) A0 =A01. =A0Announcing <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com" target=3D"_blank=
(???) >gopherpedia.com</a> (Colin Mitchell)<br>
(???) A0 =A02. Re: =A0Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of Gopher Proxy<br=
(???)
(???) A0 =A0 =A0 (Kyle Hooks)<br>
(???) A0 =A03. Re: =A0Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of Gopher Proxy<br=
(???)
(???) A0 =A0 =A0 (Bradley D. Thornton)<br>
(???) A0 =A04. Re: =A0Announcing <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com" target=3D"_b=
(???) ank">gopherpedia.com</a> (chals)<br>
(???) A0 =A05. Re: =A0Announcing <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com" target=3D"_b=
(???) ank">gopherpedia.com</a> (Jacob Dahl Pind)<br>
(???) br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=A0Colin Mitchell &=
(???) t;<a href=3D"mailto:muffinista%2Bgopher@gmail.com">muffinista+gopher@gmail=
(???) com</a>><br>To:=A0<a href=3D"mailto:gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.=
(???) rg">gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) c:=A0<br>Date:=A0Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:49:22 -0400<br>Subject:=A0[gopher] An=
(???) ouncing <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com">gopherpedia.com</a><br>Hello Al=
(???) , I thought some of you would be interested in a project I<br>
(???) aunched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in<br>
(GIF) opherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at <a href=3D"http://gopherpedi=
(???) .com" target=3D"_blank">gopherpedia.com</a>, or via<br>
(PNG) roxy server at <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com/" target=3D"_blank">http:=
(???) /gopherpedia.com/</a><br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the<br=
(???)
(???) ront page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.<=
(???) r>
(???) br>
(TN3) his is definitely a work in progress with some kinks and rough edges.<br>
(TN3) o implement the site, I wrote a custom gopher server in ruby as well<br>
(???) s a PHP proxy server, both of which are available on github:<br>
(???) br>
(???) a href=3D"https://github.com/muffinista/gopher2000" target=3D"_blank">http=
(SND) ://github.com/muffinista/gopher2000</a><br>
(???) a href=3D"https://github.com/muffinista/gophper-proxy" target=3D"_blank">h=
(???) tps://github.com/muffinista/gophper-proxy</a><br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he data is a little stale because dealing with wikipedia dumps is a<br>
(???) hallenging and time-consuming process, but I will probably try and<br>
(???) eep it reasonably up to date. There's also the occasional place where<=
(???) r>
(???) y parsing of wikitext isn't quite working.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) have fond memories of using gopher in the early days of my life on<br>
(???) he internet, so this was both a fun learning exercise, and a chance<br>
(???) o revisit those early adventures.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) hanks!<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) -<br>
(???) olin Mitchell<br>
(???) a href=3D"http://muffinlabs.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://muffinlabs.com/=
(???) /a><br>
(TN3) his is my signature<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=A0"Kyle Hooks=
(???) quot; <<a href=3D"mailto:kthprog@gmail.com">kthprog@gmail.com</a>><b=
(???) >To:=A0"'Gopher Project Discussion'" <<a href=3D"mail=
(???) o:gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org">gopher-project@lists.alioth.debi=
(???) n.org</a>><br>
(???) c:=A0<br>Date:=A0Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:41:53 -0400<br>Subject:=A0Re: [gopher=
(???) Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of Gopher Proxy<br>I think we mig=
(HTM) t be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER<br>
(PNG) rotocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to<br>
(???) onvince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ----Original Message-----<br>
(???) rom: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.US">B=
(???) adley@NorthTech.US</a>]<br>
(???) ent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM<br>
(TN3) o: Gopher Project Discussion<br>
(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of<br>
(???) opher Proxy<br>
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(???) n 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:<br>
(???) gt; On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <<a href=3D"mailto:evert@me=
(???) lie.net">evert@meulie.net</a>><br>
(???) rote:<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;> Hi all,<br>
(???) gt;><br>
(???) gt;> <a href=3D"http://gopherproxy.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://gophe=
(???) proxy.org/</a> & <a href=3D"http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/" target=3D"=
(???) blank">http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/</a><br>
(???) llows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by<br>
(???) onverting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.<br>
(???) gt;><br>
(???) gt;> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep<br>
(???) ots & search engines out.<br>
(???) gt;> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other<br=
(???)
(???) hreads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my<br=
(???)
(GIF) opher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object<br>
(???) o that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a<br>
(???) obots.txt to completely block all spidering.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) 'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing<br>
(???) esources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted<br>
(???) eb browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through<br>
(???) y resources then I would put them on webservers - which I<br>
(???) lready do for other resources.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) his has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for<br>
(???) onsidering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here<br>
(???) elt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by<br>
(???) ny foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or<br>
(???) ccessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are<br>
(???) oncerned, especially since I maintain unique content only<br>
(???) vailable via gopher:// protocol.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) t's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one<br>
(???) m of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via<br>
(HTM) ttp:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.<br>
(???) br>
(???) s far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a<br>
(HTM) ttp standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some<br>
(???) ther way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who<br>
(???) hoose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and<br>
(???) elcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an<br>
(???) RL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) f those come up as dead links because the protocol is not<br>
(SND) upported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google<br>
(???) ould put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of<br>
(???) ccessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,<br>
(???) nd don't much care.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't<br>
(GIF) et indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many<br>
(???) rowsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.<br>
(???) ere's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be<br>
(SND) upported depending upon whether certain software is installed on<br>
(???) he client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is<br>
nherent in some or most browsers:<br>
(???) br>
(GIF) opher://<br>
(???) tp://<br>
(SND) kype://<br>
(HTM) ttp://<br>
(HTM) ttps://<br>
(???) br>
(???) gain, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher<br>
(???) esources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those<br>
(???) esources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them<br>
(???) t all - this is the only way that gopher will have any<br>
(???) elevance.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be<br>
(???) ccessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am<br>
(???) ow more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy<br>
(SND) ervers at this time than I ever have been.<br>
(???) br>
(???) oing back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this<br>
(PNG) articular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few<br>
(???) oments ago...<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; Anyway - great work - I really like the way <a href=3D"http://gopherpr=
(???) xy.org" target=3D"_blank">gopherproxy.org</a><br>
(???) orks.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort<br>
(???) nd level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let<br>
(GIF) opher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated<br>
nto insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol<br>
(???) lients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that<br>
(???) ill not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; - Kim<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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(???) " target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinf=
(???) /gopher-pr</a><br>
(???) ject<br>
(???) br>
(???) --<br>
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(???) br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=A0"Bradley D.=
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(???) oject@lists.alioth.debian.org</a>><br>
(???) c:=A0<br>Date:=A0Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:41:24 -0700<br>Subject:=A0Re: [gopher=
(???) Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of Gopher Proxy<br>-----BEGIN PGP=
(???) SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
(???) ash: RIPEMD160<br>
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(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) n 09/13/2013 05:41 AM, Kyle Hooks wrote:<br>
(???) gt; I think we might be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER<br>
(???) gt; protocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to<br>
(???) gt; convince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) hanks for the top-post there! :(<br>
(???) br>
(???) nyway, on the surface that sounds like the sane thing to do, doesn't<b=
(???) >
t? Perhaps Cameron could weigh in on his thought related to this<br>
(???) atter, considering he was shot down in flames on this subject while<br>
(???) irefox still had support for gopher:// protocol in its core.<br>
(???) br>
(???) articularly, there was talk of a concerted agenda to divest Firefox of<br>
(GIF) opher regardless of any commitments offered to maintain the code, etc.,<br=
(???)
(???) nd I'm interested in hearing just what the hearsay or supposition on<b=
(???) >
(???) hat touchy subject was.<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) mean, if the deciding factor was related strictly to critical mass vs<br>
(???) ruft, okay I can understand that - but the impression I got was that<br>
nsiders over there did this w/prejudice for some reason.<br>
(???) br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
(???) gt; From: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.=
(???) S">Bradley@NorthTech.US</a>]<br>
(???) gt; Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM<br>
(???) gt; To: Gopher Project Discussion<br>
(???) gt; Subject: Re: [gopher] Joining in: I'm the maintainer/host of<br>
(???) gt; Gopher Proxy<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; On 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:<br>
(???) gt;> On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <<a href=3D"mailto:ever=
(???) @meulie.net">evert@meulie.net</a>><br>
(???) gt; wrote:<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;>> Hi all,<br>
(???) gt;>><br>
(???) gt;>> <a href=3D"http://gopherproxy.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://g=
(???) pherproxy.org/</a> & <a href=3D"http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/" target=
(???) 3D"_blank">http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/</a><br>
(???) gt; allows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by<br>
(???) gt; converting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.<br>
(???) gt;>><br>
(???) gt;>> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep<b=
(???) >
(???) gt; bots & search engines out.<br>
(???) gt;>> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in othe=
(???) <br>
(???) gt; threads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;> Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through m=
(???) <br>
(???) gt; gopher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object<br>
(???) gt; to that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a<br>
(???) gt; robots.txt to completely block all spidering.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; I'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing<br>
(???) gt; resources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted<br>
(???) gt; web browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through<br>
(???) gt; my resources then I would put them on webservers - which I<br>
(???) gt; already do for other resources.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; This has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for<br>
(???) gt; considering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here<br>
(???) gt; felt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by<br>
(???) gt; any foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or<br>
(???) gt; accessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are<br>
(???) gt; concerned, especially since I maintain unique content only<br>
(???) gt; available via gopher:// protocol.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; It's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one<=
(???) r>
(???) gt; am of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via<br>
(???) gt; http:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; As far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a<br>
(???) gt; http standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some<br>
(???) gt; other way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who<br>
(???) gt; choose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and<br>
(???) gt; welcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an<br>
(???) gt; URL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; If those come up as dead links because the protocol is not<br>
(???) gt; supported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google<br>
(???) gt; could put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of<br>
(???) gt; accessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,<br>
(???) gt; and don't much care.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; I can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't<br=
(???)
(???) gt; get indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many<br>
(???) gt; browsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.<br>
(???) gt; Here's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be<b=
(???) >
(???) gt; supported depending upon whether certain software is installed on<br>
(???) gt; the client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is<br>
(???) gt; inherent in some or most browsers:<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; gopher://<br>
(???) gt; ftp://<br>
(???) gt; skype://<br>
(???) gt; http://<br>
(???) gt; https://<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; Again, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher<br>
(???) gt; resources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those<br>
(???) gt; resources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them<br>
(???) gt; at all - this is the only way that gopher will have any<br>
(???) gt; relevance.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; I see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be<br>
(???) gt; accessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am<br>
(???) gt; now more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy<br>
(???) gt; servers at this time than I ever have been.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; Going back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this<br>
(???) gt; particular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few<br>
(???) gt; moments ago...<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;> Anyway - great work - I really like the way <a href=3D"http://goph=
(???) rproxy.org" target=3D"_blank">gopherproxy.org</a><br>
(???) gt; works.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; Hey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort<br>
(???) gt; and level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let<br>
(???) gt; gopher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated<br>
(???) gt; into insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol<br>
(???) gt; clients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that<br>
(???) gt; will not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;> - Kim<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt;> _______________________________________________<br>
(???) gt;> Gopher-Project mailing list<br>
(???) gt;> <a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org">Gopher-P=
(???) oject@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) gt; <a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gop=
(HTM) er-pr" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li=
(SND) tinfo/gopher-pr</a><br>
(???) gt; oject<br>
(???) gt;<br>
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(???) br>
(???) --<br>
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(???) br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=A0chals <<a hre=
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(???) c:=A0<br>Date:=A0Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:14:51 +0200<br>Subject:=A0Re: [gopher=
(???) Announcing <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com">gopherpedia.com</a><br>On S=
(???) n, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Colin Mitchell<br>
(???) lt;<a href=3D"mailto:muffinista%2Bgopher@gmail.com">muffinista+gopher@gmai=
(???) .com</a>> wrote:<br>
(???) gt; Hello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I<br=
(???)
(???) gt; launched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in<br>
(???) gt; gopherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at <a href=3D"http://gophe=
(???) pedia.com" target=3D"_blank">gopherpedia.com</a>, or via<br>
(???) gt; proxy server at <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com/" target=3D"_blank">=
(HTM) ttp://gopherpedia.com/</a><br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) must say that I liked the idea straight away so I accessed the<br>
(???) ontent both ways (with and without proxy). Congrats, I think this is<br>
(???) good contribution to gopherspace.<br>
(???) br>
(???) gt; The data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on t=
(HTM) e<br>
(???) gt; front page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily cont=
(???) nt.<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) br>
(???) nd the search engine seems to work pretty well.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) hanks<br>
(???) br>
(???) -<br>
(???) hals<br>
(???) a href=3D"http://www.chalsattack.com" target=3D"_blank">www.chalsattack.co=
(???) </a><br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=A0Jacob Dahl Pind =
(???) lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rachael@telefisk.org">rachael@telefisk.org</a>><br=
(???) To:=A0Gopher Project Discussion <<a href=3D"mailto:gopher-project@lists=
(???) alioth.debian.org">gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a>><br>
(???) c:=A0<br>Date:=A0Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:48:29 +0200 (CEST)<br>Subject:=A0Re: =
(???) gopher] Announcing <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com">gopherpedia.com</a><=
(???) r>On Sat, 31 Aug 2013, Colin Mitchell wrote:<br>
(???) br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
(???) #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(???) ello All, I thought some of you would be interested in a project I<br>
(???) aunched a few months ago - gopherpedia, a mirror of wikipedia in<br>
(GIF) opherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at <a href=3D"http://gopherpedi=
(???) .com" target=3D"_blank">gopherpedia.com</a>, or via<br>
(PNG) roxy server at <a href=3D"http://gopherpedia.com/" target=3D"_blank">http:=
(???) /gopherpedia.com/</a><br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he data is searchable, and there's a list of recent searches on the<br=
(???)
(???) ront page, along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content.<=
(???) r>
(???) br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) ice work, wikipedia is such a killer feature when one needs to waste some<=
(???) r>
(???) ime, its amazing how one can get from one topic to a whole different one i=
(???) a few clicks.<br>
(???) br>
(???) ad toyed with the idear myself, had the wiki dumps here and made some code=
(???) but as you says its a time consuming process to keep it uptodate, big fil=
(???) s and all that .<br>
(???) br>
(SND) eems the i lines your server sendes includes an extra field<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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(???) 3D=3D null =A0 =A0(FALSE) 0<br>
(???) br>
(SND) hould only be itext\thost\tport<br>
(???) br>
(???) ables gets a bit confusing when they gets linewrapped, but not much you ca=
(???) do, sans detecting tables and send lines as long as needed, and let the c=
(???) ients handle any issues that may arise, else it works perfect.<br>
(???) br>
(???) egards<br>
(???) br>
(???) -<br>
(???) acob Dahl Pind | <a href=3D"http://telefisk.org" target=3D"_blank">telefis=
(???) .org</a> | fidonet 2:230/38.8<br>
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(???) i All,
(IMG) have made GopherBrowse (iOS) free of charge permanently, as it's coming to the end of my dev year with Apple and I might not renew straight away (so it may disappear). I'll probably open-source it too, at some point, if that doesn't cause problems.
(???) nyway, if you don't have it already then it's in the app store & if it's not free right now, then it will be in a few hours.
(???) o idea if it works on iOS 6, 7 :-) Probably, though.
(???) ave fun
(???) ichard Smith
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(???) n Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:02:30 +0100
(???) ichard Smith <evileye@telperion.co.uk> wrote:
(???) Hi All,
(???) =20
(???) I have made GopherBrowse (iOS) free of charge permanently, as it's
(???) coming to the end of my dev year with Apple and I might not renew
(???) straight away (so it may disappear). I'll probably open-source it
(???) too, at some point, if that doesn't cause problems.
(???) =20
(???) Anyway, if you don't have it already then it's in the app store & if
(???) it's not free right now, then it will be in a few hours.
(???) =20
(???) No idea if it works on iOS 6, 7 :-) Probably, though.
(???) =20
(???) Have fun
(???) Richard Smith
(???) snip]
(???) ichard,
(IMG) can confirm that the app works just fine in iOS 6.1.3 on my 4th gen iPod =
(TN3) ouch. Thank you for creating a beautiful thing that I truly do use and am=
(???) glad that I paid for.
(???) tephen Michael Kellat
(???) oint of Contact/Leader, Ubuntu Ohio
(???) ead Writer, Erie Looking Productions
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(???) n Sep 22, 2013, at 21:40, Stephen Michael Kellat <smkellat@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:02:30 +0100
(???) Richard Smith <evileye@telperion.co.uk> wrote:
(???)
(???) > No idea if it works on iOS 6, 7 :-) Probably, though.
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???) I can confirm that the app works just fine in iOS 6.1.3 on my 4th gen iPod Touch.
(???) lso works on iOS 7.0 on iPhone 5.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Motsognir v1.0 - rewritten, totally standalone,
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(???) i all,
(IMG) am happy to hereby announce the release of the latest version of my
(GIF) opher server - Motsognir v1.0.
(TN3) his version brings a tremendous amount of architecture changes, due to
(???) he fact that I rewrote it completely in ANSI C. I did this because I
(???) anted to make it extremely portable, to be able to run it on some
(???) ltra-lightweight ARM server. It doesn't require an inetd-like
(SND) uperserver anymore, which makes it much more 'plug & play'.
(IMG) also removed some features that weren't used by anybody (that I know
(???) bout), and replaced them with more practical ones.
(???) ere is a short changelog:
(???) 1.0 [24 Sep 2013]
(???) - The whole code base has been rewritten from FreeBASIC to ANSI C,
(???) - Moved to a standalone server architecture with its own listening
(SND) ervice (instead of relying on an inetd-like superserver),
(???) - Moved default configuration from /etc/motsognir.cfg to
(???) etc/motsognir.conf,
(???) - Added command line parameter --config to specify a configuration in
(???) custom location,
(???) - Added a file listing directive to gophermaps, allowing to show a
(DOC) ynamic list of files from within a gophermap,
(???) - Added PHP support,
(???) - Add a 'default gophermap' feature allowing to customize the look of
(???) n entire server with a global gophermap.
(???) - Dropped Windows support,
(???) - Removed the authentication feature,
(???) - Removed the 'gopherlinks files' feature,
(???) - Removed the 'descript.ion metadata' feature.
(TN3) he project is hosted on sourceforge:
(???) http://sourceforge.net/projects/motsognir
(???) ut it also has a gopher hole (hosted by itself, obviously!)
(???) gopher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/projects/motsognir/
(???) nd for those of you who are running Linux and like to get 'ready to
(???) se' packages, I prepared packages for a few Linux distros here:
(???) http://software.opensuse.org/package/motsognir
(???) heers,
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(???) n Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 08:41:53AM -0400, Kyle Hooks wrote:
(???) I think we might be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER
(???) protocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to
(???) convince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.
(TN3) hat is what people tried to do for months (years?) in the mozilla bug
(???) racking the removal of gopher support. We had the code (it is what
(???) ventually became the current Overbite codebase) and a volunteer willing
(???) o maintain it (Cameron).
(TN3) he idea of officially pointing users to Overbite was also suggested, in
(???) rder to avoid isolating clueless users.
(???) ut all of these were rejected by Mozilla.
(???) .S.: You may be interested in
(HTM) ttp://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/macros4outlook/index.php?title=3DQuot=
(???) Fix_Macro
(???) - Outlook QuoteFix does not seem to work for Outlook >=3D 12, but this
(???) acro is said to work with Outlook 14 (2010).
(???) From: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.US] =
(???) Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM
(???) > =
(???) > On 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net>
(???) > wrote:
(???) > > =
(???) > >> Hi all,
(???) > >>
(???) > >> http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/
(???) > allows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by
(???) > converting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.
(???) > >>
(???) > >> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep
(???) > bots & search engines out.
(???) > >> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other
(???) > threads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) > > =
(???) > > Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my
(???) > gopher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object
(???) > to that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a
(???) > robots.txt to completely block all spidering.
(???) > =
(???) > I'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing
(???) > resources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted
(???) > web browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through
(???) > my resources then I would put them on webservers - which I
(???) > already do for other resources.
(???) > =
(???) > This has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) > considering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here
(???) > felt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by
(???) > any foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or
(???) > accessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are
(???) > concerned, especially since I maintain unique content only
(???) > available via gopher:// protocol.
(???) > =
(???) > It's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one
(???) > am of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via
(???) > http:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???) > =
(???) > As far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a
(???) > http standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some
(???) > other way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who
(???) > choose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and
(???) > welcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an
(???) > URL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://
(???) > =
(???) > If those come up as dead links because the protocol is not
(???) > supported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google
(???) > could put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of
(???) > accessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,
(???) > and don't much care.
(???) > =
(???) > I can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't
(???) > get indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many
(???) > browsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.
(???) > Here's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be
(???) > supported depending upon whether certain software is installed on
(???) > the client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is
(???) > inherent in some or most browsers:
(???) > =
(???) > gopher://
(???) > ftp://
(???) > skype://
(???) > http://
(???) > https://
(???) > =
(???) > Again, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher
(???) > resources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those
(???) > resources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them
(???) > at all - this is the only way that gopher will have any
(???) > relevance.
(???) > =
(???) > I see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be
(???) > accessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am
(???) > now more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy
(???) > servers at this time than I ever have been.
(???) > =
(???) > Going back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this
(???) > particular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few
(???) > moments ago...
(???) > =
(???) > =
(???) > > =
(???) > > Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org
(???) > works.
(???) > =
(???) > Hey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort
(???) > and level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let
(???) > gopher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated
(???) > into insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol
(???) > clients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that
(???) > will not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.
(???) > =
(???) - =
(???) uno Silva (aka njsg)
(???) adiotieteen ja -tekniikan laitos
(???) alto-yliopiston s=E4hk=F6tekniikan korkeakoulu
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(???) n 09/24/2013 12:31 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
(???) On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 08:41:53AM -0400, Kyle Hooks wrote:
(???) > I think we might be better off seeing if we can contribute GOPHER
(???) > protocol compatibility code to the Firefox codebase, or try to
(???) > convince them to ship it with a plug-in preinstalled.
(???) =
(???) That is what people tried to do for months (years?) in the mozilla bug
(???) tracking the removal of gopher support. We had the code (it is what
(???) eventually became the current Overbite codebase) and a volunteer willing
(???) to maintain it (Cameron).
(???) =
(???) The idea of officially pointing users to Overbite was also suggested, in
(???) order to avoid isolating clueless users.
(???) =
(???) But all of these were rejected by Mozilla.
(???) gain, I don't know why, really, or what the actual agenda was for the
(PNG) rejudice, but if it's coz somebody wants port 70, they can't have it!
(???) e're not going to go away so it's not going to be up for grabs ;)
(???) =
(???) =
(???) P.S.: You may be interested in
(???) http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/macros4outlook/index.php?title=3DQu=
(???) teFix_Macro
(???) -- Outlook QuoteFix does not seem to work for Outlook >=3D 12, but this
(???) macro is said to work with Outlook 14 (2010).
(???) =
(???) =
(???) =
(???) > From: Bradley D. Thornton [mailto:Bradley@NorthTech.US] =
(???) > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:02 AM
(???) >>
(???) >> On 09/13/2013 01:33 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 16:18, Evert Meulie <evert@meulie.net>
(???) >> wrote:
(???) >>>
(???) >>>> Hi all,
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> http://gopherproxy.org/ & http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/
(???) >> allows Gopher content to be viewed in any web browser, by
(???) >> converting Gopher content into web pages as you request it.
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> And yes, currently there is little/no means in place to keep
(???) >> bots & search engines out.
(???) >>>> I've been reading a bit what has been written here in other
(???) >> threads on this subject, and will chime in with my 2=A2 soon.
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Personally I don't mind that Google and others crawl through my
(???) >> gopher resources, but I think quite a lot of people here object
(???) >> to that. I think the easiest way would be to just have a
(???) >> robots.txt to completely block all spidering.
(???) >>
(???) >> I'm one of those who object - not to gopher spiders indexing
(???) >> resources, but any access to my resources via http. If I wanted
(???) >> web browsers using hypertext transfer protocol browsing through
(???) >> my resources then I would put them on webservers - which I
(???) >> already do for other resources.
(???) >>
(???) >> This has come up before, and I was shot down by the community for
(???) >> considering the blocking of all proxy servers. Many people here
(???) >> felt that any form of indexing or access to gopher resources by
(???) >> any foreign protocol was better than not being indexed or
(???) >> accessed at all, and I disagree, at least where my resources are
(???) >> concerned, especially since I maintain unique content only
(???) >> available via gopher:// protocol.
(???) >>
(???) >> It's not for me to decide what others opinions are, but I for one
(???) >> am of the mind that if someone can surf gopher resources via
(???) >> http:// then there is no point in gopher:// at all.
(???) >>
(???) >> As far as robots.txt is concerned, my feeling is that this is a
(???) >> http standard, and not a gopher standard, so there should be some
(???) >> other way to limit indexing of gopher resources for those who
(???) >> choose to do so. I do not choose to block such indexing, and
(???) >> welcome it, just not via a means that is only going to lead to an
(???) >> URL in google that starts with an http:// instead of a gopher://
(???) >>
(???) >> If those come up as dead links because the protocol is not
(???) >> supported by some particular client then so be it. Perhaps Google
(???) >> could put a note saying that the browser needs to be capable of
(???) >> accessing gopher sites or that the user needs a plugin - I dunno,
(???) >> and don't much care.
(???) >>
(???) >> I can say this. There are several protocols as URIs which don't
(???) >> get indexed or returned as search strings because some, or many
(???) >> browsers do not yet, or no longer, support those protocols.
(???) >> Here's a list of some URIs where the protocols may or may not be
(???) >> supported depending upon whether certain software is installed on
(???) >> the client machine, or plugins have been installed, or support is
(???) >> inherent in some or most browsers:
(???) >>
(???) >> gopher://
(???) >> ftp://
(???) >> skype://
(???) >> http://
(???) >> https://
(???) >>
(???) >> Again, I'm not interested in ANYONE accessing any of my gopher
(???) >> resources via an http to gopher proxy. They can access those
(???) >> resources with a client that is gopher capable or not access them
(???) >> at all - this is the only way that gopher will have any
(???) >> relevance.
(???) >>
(???) >> I see no relevance in gopher protocol if it's just going to be
(???) >> accessed via hypertext transfer protocol anyway - therefore, I am
(???) >> now more inclined to consider blocking http to gopher proxy
(???) >> servers at this time than I ever have been.
(???) >>
(???) >> Going back to that thread now, here is the segue, in this
(???) >> particular posting, that I promised to be forthcoming a few
(???) >> moments ago...
(???) >>
(???) >>
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Anyway - great work - I really like the way gopherproxy.org
(???) >> works.
(???) >>
(???) >> Hey I think these are great services too, and applaud the effort
(???) >> and level of functionality - I just think it's wrong to let
(???) >> gopher fall further into obscurity because it can be relegated
(???) >> into insignificance by browswers (supposed to be multi-protocol
(???) >> clients) that do not have gopher support, and search engines that
(???) >> will not provide search results as gopher:// URIs.
(???) >>
(???) =
(???) -- =
(???) radley D. Thornton
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(???) Date: Thu=2C 19 Sep 2013 22:48:29 +0200
(???) From: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) To: gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Announcing gopherpedia.com
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(???) On Sat=2C 31 Aug 2013=2C Colin Mitchell wrote:
(???) =20
(???) > Hello All=2C I thought some of you would be interested in a project I
(???) > launched a few months ago - gopherpedia=2C a mirror of wikipedia in
(???) > gopherspace. It's accessible on port 70 at gopherpedia.com=2C or via
(???) > proxy server at http://gopherpedia.com/
(???) >
(???) > The data is searchable=2C and there's a list of recent searches on the
(???) > front page=2C along with a mirror of Wikipedia's featured daily content=