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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gophernicus 1.0 released
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(IMG) just released Gophernicus 1.0 - The Most Awesome(tm) gopher server.
(???) ownloads are available here:
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???) hanges are too numerous to list here (read ChangeLog instead), but some
(???) f the main changes are:
(???) native support for Cameron's caps.txt
(???) support for gophertags
(???) lotsa bugfixes
(???) native Debian packages
(???) support for Mac OS X
(???) "make install" supports both launchd and xinetd
(???) Apache-compatible file logging
(???) more verbose error logging
(???) neat default gophermap
(???) Kim
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(???) n 5.10.2010 12:04, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I just released Gophernicus 1.0 - The Most Awesome(tm) gopher server.
(???) couple of test installations over IPv6 (these may come and go):
(???) nd the default gophermap that gets served out after installation:
(???) kimmy@one ~]$ lynx -dump gopher://n900.holviala.com/
(???) Welcome to Gophernicus!
(???) _______ __ __
(???) __|.-----.-----.| |--.-----.----.-----.|__|.----.--.--.-----.
(???) | || _ | _ || | -__| _| || || __| | |__ --|
(???) _______||_____| __||__|__|_____|__| |__|__||__||____|_____|_____|
(???) |__|
(IMG) f you can see this, it means that the installation of Gophernicus
(???) n this system was successful. You may now add content to this
(DOC) irectory and replace this page.
(???) eneric information:
(???) current time...: Tue Oct 5 12:21:33 EEST 2010
(???) your ip address: 2001:1bc8:101:fb00::10
(???) server uptime..: 1 day
(???) server version.: Gophernicus/1.0
(???) server platform: Debian/testing armv7l
(???) description....: Nokia RX-51 board
(???) erver configuration:
(???) config file....: /etc/inetd.conf
(???) server hostname: n900.holviala.com
(???) root directory.: /var/gopher
(???) running as user: nobody
(???) output charset.: US-ASCII
(???) output width...: 70 characters
(???) _____________________________________________________________________
(???) Gophered by Gophernicus/1.0 on Debian/testing armv7l
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gophernicus running on Nokia N900 (Maemo)
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(???) ust thought this would interest someone.... I have Gophernicus running
(???) n Nokia N900, the Maemo phone. Screenshot of Mobile Firefox browsing
(???) ocal install of Gophernicus over IPv6 localhost:
(GIF) opher://holviala.com/I/~kimmy/images/screenshots/20101005-n900.png
(???) xpect Gophernicus to be available in the extras-devel repository later
(???) oday when I get everything sorted out.
(???) Kim
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(???) Just thought this would interest someone.... I have Gophernicus running
(???) on Nokia N900, the Maemo phone. Screenshot of Mobile Firefox browsing
(???) local install of Gophernicus over IPv6 localhost:
(???)
(???) gopher://holviala.com/I/~kimmy/images/screenshots/20101005-n900.png
(???)
(???) Expect Gophernicus to be available in the extras-devel repository later
(???) today when I get everything sorted out.
(???) ice!
(???) peaking of Mobile Firefox/Fennec, I have not looked into what it will
(???) ake to port OverbiteFF to it. It will not be a trivial rewrite because
(???) obile Fx is going to be Electrolysis-based, which completely changes the
(???) etwork architecture; see, for example, bugs 590682 and 591707:
(TN3) his is all very preliminary. I know Thomas was looking at doing an N900
(???) ative Gopher client and maybe it's a good time for that. I'm toying with
(GIF) etting one except I have to save my pennies for my new server.
(???) -
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(???) I just released Gophernicus 1.0 - The Most Awesome(tm) gopher server.
(???)
(???) Downloads are available here:
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???)
(???) Changes are too numerous to list here (read ChangeLog instead), but some
(???) of the main changes are:
(???)
(???) * native support for Cameron's caps.txt
(???) * support for gophertags
(???) * lotsa bugfixes
(???) * native Debian packages
(???) * support for Mac OS X
(???) * "make install" supports both launchd and xinetd
(???) * Apache-compatible file logging
(???) * more verbose error logging
(???) * neat default gophermap
(???) elicious!
(???) -
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(???) n 2010-10-05 16:01, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > Expect Gophernicus to be available in the extras-devel repository later
(???) > today when I get everything sorted out.
(???)
(???) Nice!
(IMG) t's in the repos now. If anyone wants to try it out, make sure you have
(???) he Extras-devel repository configured and then just run "apt-get
nstall gophernicus" as root (or use the graphical application installer).
(HTM) ttp://maemo.org/packages/view/gophernicus/
(IMG) t should be up and running (with IPv4) right after installation - just
(???) dd your content to /var/gopher/.
(???) Speaking of Mobile Firefox/Fennec, I have not looked into what it will
(???) take to port OverbiteFF to it.
(???) urrent gopher status on the N900 is that the included MicroB browser
(DOC) oesn't support gopher (apparently it's been removed from the compile)
(???) ut the current beta of Mobile Firefox (Fennec) does.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 10/05/2010 11:04 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I just released Gophernicus 1.0 - The Most Awesome(tm) gopher server.
(???)
(???) Downloads are available here:
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???)
(???) ery nice, sees you implemented the auto_hidding, I find the caps
(???) unction a bit overkill to actual implement it in the gopherd, where as
(???) simple caps file does the same.
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(???) n 2010-10-05 20:31, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) very nice, sees you implemented the auto_hidding
(???) ep. Made it compile-time option because I though it would be too
(SND) trange to enable by default. Besides it doesn't work as well as I
(???) anted to...
(???) xplanation for others: there's a compile-time option to automatically
(HTM) ide manually defined resources from automatically generated menu
(???) istings. As in you define foo.txt in a gophermap and it will be hidden
(???) rom autogenerated listings (to prevent double entries).
(???) I find the caps
(???) function a bit overkill to actual implement it in the gopherd, where as
(???) a simple caps file does the same.
(IMG) got a bit carried away... But my rationale was that unless it's
(???) utomatic no one will bother with it.
(???) mm. Maybe it should check whether there already is a caps.txt and serve
(???) ut the actual file if exists (and the autogenerated caps if the file
sn't there).
(???) Kim
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(???) n 10/05/2010 07:10 PM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-10-05 20:31, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???)
(???) > very nice, sees you implemented the auto_hidding
(???)
(???) Yep. Made it compile-time option because I though it would be too
(???) strange to enable by default. Besides it doesn't work as well as I
(???) wanted to...
(???) uess it depends on what people is used to, was the default behaviour of
(???) MN gopherd.
(???) Hmm. Maybe it should check whether there already is a caps.txt and serve
(???) out the actual file if exists (and the autogenerated caps if the file
(???) isn't there).
(???) ne could it be generated durring a build or installation also, but I
(???) hink you are right about people might not use it if it aint automated.
(???) egards
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(???) > I find the caps
(???) > function a bit overkill to actual implement it in the gopherd, where as
(???) > a simple caps file does the same.
(???)
(???) I got a bit carried away... But my rationale was that unless it's
(???) automatic no one will bother with it.
(???)
(???) Hmm. Maybe it should check whether there already is a caps.txt and serve
(???) out the actual file if exists (and the autogenerated caps if the file
(???) isn't there).
(TN3) hat's the approach I'll be taking with the next release of Bucktooth.
(IMG) need to put the "official" spec for caps up on Floodgap.
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(???) day=2C Is there someone out there who has python skills=2C who would like =
(???) o patch a python script for me in pygopherd?
(IMG) 'll explain.
(???) =20
(IMG) am building a Gopher site currently and I would like to add a hit counter=
(???) A mate gave me his script for a gopher counter which belongs on the main =
(PNG) age.
(???) Alas=2C It (and other main-page-scripts) require -as bucktooth doe=
(SND) - that the main gophermap be executable.
(???) ygopherd doesn't seem to implement bucktooth-style scripts fully ie wont a=
(???) low my scripts to be bash script-gophermap hybrids.
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(???) I am building a Gopher site currently and I would like to add a hit counter.
(???) A mate gave me his script for a gopher counter which belongs on the main page.
(???) Alas, It (and other main-page-scripts) require -as bucktooth does- that the
(???) main gophermap be executable.
(???) Pygopherd doesn't seem to implement bucktooth-style scripts fully ie wont
(???) allow my scripts to be bash script-gophermap hybrids.
(???) trictly speaking, Bucktooth doesn't allow this either, so this isn't a
(???) ug in pygopherd.
(IMG) will defer the actual task to someone better in Python than I am (I'm sure
(???) uido would say all my years of Perl [ going back to 1995 ] have rotted my
(???) rain).
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(???) n 6.10.2010 7:57, daniel g wrote:
(???) I am building a Gopher site currently and I would like to add a hit
(???) counter. A mate gave me his script for a gopher counter which belongs on
(???) the main page.
(???) Alas, It (and other main-page-scripts) require -as bucktooth does- that
(???) the main gophermap be executable.
(???) Pygopherd doesn't seem to implement bucktooth-style scripts fully ie
(???) wont allow my scripts to be bash script-gophermap hybrids.
(???) Is there anyone out there who would patch the executable gophermap
(???) python script for me?
(???) ot me, never learnt python :-).But Gophernicus allows for subscripts in
(GIF) ophermaps like this:
(???) tatic text.
(???) y online status:
(???) finger kimmy
(???) ore static text.
(???) /path/to/counter.sh
(???) ot selling my gopher server here. No sire. Not me.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 5.10.2010 22:44, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) >> very nice, sees you implemented the auto_hidding
(???) >
(???) > Yep. Made it compile-time option because I though it would be too
(???) > strange to enable by default. Besides it doesn't work as well as I
(???) > wanted to...
(???)
(???) Guess it depends on what people is used to, was the default behaviour of
(???) UMN gopherd.
(TN3) ry out my implementation - if it works ok I'll make it the default
(???) with an option to disable the behaviour).
(???) > Hmm. Maybe it should check whether there already is a caps.txt and serve
(???) > out the actual file if exists (and the autogenerated caps if the file
(???) > isn't there).
(IMG) 'll add this to v1.1 too.
(???) Kim
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(???) k....=20
(???) here must be more than one way to skin a cat.=20
s there a way u or anyone knows to get a gophermap to patch thru to the os=
(???) or to the gophermap so I can write in a hit counter?
ve no problem with the C like or bash script/app...
(???) r alternatively can i send u a sample of this script and u tell me how bu=
(???) ktooth would do it another way?
(???) r even more alternatively ill just let my first question stand.
(???) :) - Barana
(???) From: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) To: gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) Date: Tue=2C 5 Oct 2010 22:19:51 -0700
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Someone out there with python skills want to help?
(???) =20
(???) > I am building a Gopher site currently and I would like to add a hit cou=
(???) ter.
(???) > A mate gave me his script for a gopher counter which belongs on the mai=
(???) page.
(???) > Alas=2C It (and other main-page-scripts) require -as bucktooth does- th=
(???) t the
(???) > main gophermap be executable.
(???) > Pygopherd doesn't seem to implement bucktooth-style scripts fully ie wo=
(???) t
(???) > allow my scripts to be bash script-gophermap hybrids.
(???) =20
(???) Strictly speaking=2C Bucktooth doesn't allow this either=2C so this isn't=
(???) a
(???) bug in pygopherd.
(???) =20
(???) I will defer the actual task to someone better in Python than I am (I'm s=
(???) re
(???) Guido would say all my years of Perl [ going back to 1995 ] have rotted m=
(???)
(???) brain).
(???) =20
(???) --=20
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(???) n 6.10.2010 12:07, daniel g wrote:
(???) there must be more than one way to skin a cat.
(???) is there a way u or anyone knows to get a gophermap to patch thru to the
(???) os or to the gophermap so I can write in a hit counter?
(DIR) ) Remove pygopherd, install gophernicus
(PHO) ) Create a gophermap and in it have a line like this:
(???) /path/to/counter.sh "Woohoo! You're number " "."
(???) ere's the (grossly over-engineered) counter.sh:
(???) !/bin/sh
(???) #
(???) # A simple visitor counter to use with gophermaps
(???) #
(???) # Usage: counter.sh <pre message> <post message>
(???) #
(???) Figure out a safe file to keep our counter
(???) ASH=`echo "$SELECTOR" | md5sum | cut -d" " -f1`
(???) ILE=/var/tmp/gopher-counter-$HASH
(???) Get count and the previous visitors IP address
(???) OUNT="`cut -d' ' -f1 $FILE`"
(???) LD_ADDR="`cut -d' ' -f2 $FILE`"
(???) Increase counter only if the user is new
f [ "$OLD_ADDR" != "$REMOTE_ADDR" ]; then
(???) COUNT=$(( COUNT + 1 ))
(???) echo "$COUNT $REMOTE_ADDR" > $FILE
(???) i
(???) Output counter message
(???) cho "$1$COUNT$2"
(TN3) he reason I wrote Gophernicus was that none of the existing gopher
(SND) ervers did what I wanted them to do. Not that they're bad software, I
(???) ust had different ideas.
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(???) n 10/06/2010 08:09 AM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 5.10.2010 22:44, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???)
(???) >>> very nice, sees you implemented the auto_hidding
(???) >>
(???) >> Yep. Made it compile-time option because I though it would be too
(???) >> strange to enable by default. Besides it doesn't work as well as I
(???) >> wanted to...
(???) >
(???) > Guess it depends on what people is used to, was the default behaviour of
(???) > UMN gopherd.
(???)
(???) Try out my implementation - if it works ok I'll make it the default
(???) (with an option to disable the behaviour).
(???)
(IMG) already running your 1.0 here :) it works nicely, only patched it very
(???) ittle time, just some logging thing.
(IMG) was keeping track of your progress, so I grapped the none alpha
(???) ersion when I could.
(???) ooking a small script here to serve out mbox files like umn had it, had
(HTM) oped I could implement i only though filters/cgi.
(???) canning the mbox and build a list of selector to each email is simple
(???) nough, but still puzzeling a bit over how to send both mbox file name
(???) nd email number back, UMN had a special case where a selector started
(???) ith R10-54-/mbox , then it would list line 10 to 54, but I would
(PNG) refere something not adding a special case to the server.
(TN3) hough of this maybe use a different item type.
(TXT) <subject>TAB/R<id>/<mbox name>TABserverTABport
(IMG) can see a way to do it with filters, and letting it run filters
(???) ithout file the selector is point to, as it is now the filter code will
(???) nly be used if the file is actual there.
(???) ould let the selectors work like GET variables in http, as a means of
(GIF) iving arguments inline to a external program.
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(???) n 6.10.2010 15:49, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) I can see a way to do it with filters, and letting it run filters
(???) without file the selector is point to, as it is now the filter code will
(???) only be used if the file is actual there.
(???) Would let the selectors work like GET variables in http, as a means of
(???) giving arguments inline to a external program.
(???) mm. I've been using Maildir for so long that I couldn't even find one
(???) box file to try with....
(???) o basically you want mbox files to be virtual folders with message
(???) files" in them? I don't think filters can do it, cgi's can but that can
(GIF) et a little messy.
(IMG) 'll try with this:
(HTM) ttp://download.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/3300/3400
(???) Kim
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(???) n 10/06/2010 02:10 PM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???)
(???) Hmm. I've been using Maildir for so long that I couldn't even find one
(???) mbox file to try with....
(???)
(???) So basically you want mbox files to be virtual folders with message
(???) "files" in them? I don't think filters can do it, cgi's can but that can
(???) get a little messy.
(???)
(???) an I hand arguments to the cgi script without having it a query type ?
f that was possible it would be simple to make.
(IMG) have it listing the emails in the mbox here now with a 7 lines of
(PNG) erl(yeah yeah I know I should beable to do it in one)
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(HTM) ehe thx Kim :)
(???) he reason I chose Pygophers is that it could serve over wap and the main t=
(HTM) ing=2C is that is a gopher server that can do Gopher +
(???) ill u be writing gophernicus to run on multi-user systems ie *nix and with=
(???) G+ functionality ?
(???) Barana
(???) Date: Wed=2C 6 Oct 2010 13:00:10 +0300
(???) From: kim@holviala.com
(???) To: gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Someone out there with python skills want to help?
(???) =20
(???) On 6.10.2010 12:07=2C daniel g wrote:
(???) =20
(???) > there must be more than one way to skin a cat.
(???) > is there a way u or anyone knows to get a gophermap to patch thru to th=
(???)
(???) > os or to the gophermap so I can write in a hit counter?
(???) =20
(???) 1) Remove pygopherd=2C install gophernicus
(???) 2) Create a gophermap and in it have a line like this:
(???) =20
(???) =3D/path/to/counter.sh "Woohoo! You're number " "."
(???) =20
(???) Here's the (grossly over-engineered) counter.sh:
(???) =20
(???) #!/bin/sh
(???) =20
(???) ##
(???) ## A simple visitor counter to use with gophermaps
(???) ##
(???) ## Usage: counter.sh <pre message> <post message>
(???) ##
(???) =20
(???) # Figure out a safe file to keep our counter
(???) HASH=3D`echo "$SELECTOR" | md5sum | cut -d" " -f1`
(???) FILE=3D/var/tmp/gopher-counter-$HASH
(???) =20
(???) # Get count and the previous visitors IP address
(???) COUNT=3D"`cut -d' ' -f1 $FILE`"
(???) OLD_ADDR=3D"`cut -d' ' -f2 $FILE`"
(???) =20
(???) # Increase counter only if the user is new
(???) if [ "$OLD_ADDR" !=3D "$REMOTE_ADDR" ]=3B then
(???) COUNT=3D$(( COUNT + 1 ))
(???) echo "$COUNT $REMOTE_ADDR" > $FILE
(???) fi
(???) =20
(???) # Output counter message
(???) echo "$1$COUNT$2"
(???) =20
(???) =20
(???) The reason I wrote Gophernicus was that none of the existing gopher=20
(???) servers did what I wanted them to do. Not that they're bad software=2C I=
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(???) just had different ideas.
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(???) - Kim
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(???) 13:00:10 +0300<br>>=3B From: kim@holviala.com<br>>=3B To: gopher-proje=
(???) t@lists.alioth.debian.org<br>>=3B Subject: Re: [gopher] Someone out ther=
(???) with python skills want to help?<br>>=3B <br>>=3B On 6.10.2010 12:07=
(???) 2C daniel g wrote:<br>>=3B <br>>=3B >=3B there must be more than one=
(???) way to skin a cat.<br>>=3B >=3B is there a way u or anyone knows to ge=
(???) a gophermap to patch thru to the<br>>=3B >=3B os or to the gophermap =
(SND) o I can write in a hit counter?<br>>=3B <br>>=3B 1) Remove pygopherd=
(???) 2C install gophernicus<br>>=3B 2) Create a gophermap and in it have a li=
(???) e like this:<br>>=3B <br>>=3B =3D/path/to/counter.sh "Woohoo! You're n=
(???) mber " "."<br>>=3B <br>>=3B Here's the (grossly over-engineered) count=
(???) r.sh:<br>>=3B <br>>=3B #!/bin/sh<br>>=3B <br>>=3B ##<br>>=3B ## =
(???) simple visitor counter to use with gophermaps<br>>=3B ##<br>>=3B ## U=
(SND) age: counter.sh <=3Bpre message>=3B <=3Bpost message>=3B<br>>=3B=
(???) ##<br>>=3B <br>>=3B # Figure out a safe file to keep our counter<br>&g=
(???) =3B HASH=3D`echo "$SELECTOR" | md5sum | cut -d" " -f1`<br>>=3B FILE=3D/v=
(???) r/tmp/gopher-counter-$HASH<br>>=3B <br>>=3B # Get count and the previo=
(???) s visitors IP address<br>>=3B COUNT=3D"`cut -d' ' -f1 $FILE`"<br>>=3B =
(???) LD_ADDR=3D"`cut -d' ' -f2 $FILE`"<br>>=3B <br>>=3B # Increase counter =
(???) nly if the user is new<br>>=3B if [ "$OLD_ADDR" !=3D "$REMOTE_ADDR" ]=3B=
(???) then<br>>=3B COUNT=3D$(( COUNT + 1 ))<br>>=3B echo "=
(???) COUNT $REMOTE_ADDR" >=3B $FILE<br>>=3B fi<br>>=3B <br>>=3B # Outpu=
(???) counter message<br>>=3B echo "$1$COUNT$2"<br>>=3B <br>>=3B <br>>=
(???) 3B The reason I wrote Gophernicus was that none of the existing gopher <br=
(???) >=3B servers did what I wanted them to do. Not that they're bad software=
(???) 2C I <br>>=3B just had different ideas.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B - Kim<br>&g=
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(???) n 2010-10-06 16:17, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) Can I hand arguments to the cgi script without having it a query type ?
(???) ope. I tried to figure out an easy way to do it but couldn't come up
(???) ith working code. The problem being this:
(???) path/to/script/and/some/parameters/too
(TN3) he way Apache makes this work is to stat() the following:
(???) path
(???) path/to
(???) path/to/script
(???) path/to/script/and
(???) fter which it figures out that it's the "script" that it's supposed to
(???) un and everything after "and" are the parameters.
(???) nd that's just way too many stats for me.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Someone out there with python skills want to help?
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(???) n 2010-10-06 15:26, daniel g wrote:
(???) the reason I chose Pygophers is that it could serve over wap and the
(???) main thing, is that is a gopher server that can do Gopher +
(???) amn. Gophernicus does neither. WAP's dead anyway (yes, even here in
(???) inland where it was developed) but gopher+ would be nice.
(???) Will u be writing gophernicus to run on multi-user systems ie *nix and
(???) with G+ functionality ?
(IMG) t's already multiuser with /1/~luser/ capability, but gopher+ requires
(???) uite a lot of work.
(???) Kim
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(???) > the reason I chose Pygophers is that it could serve over wap and the
(???) > main thing, is that is a gopher server that can do Gopher +
(???)
(???) Damn. Gophernicus does neither. WAP's dead anyway (yes, even here in
(???) Finland where it was developed) but gopher+ would be nice.
(???) aniel, what client are you using Gopher+ with?
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(???) sgopher win 3.1+
(???) lueskies 68k macos ppc macos and win 95+
(HTM) gopher win 3.1+
(???) gopher client' by Matja=BE Me=B9njak .net 2.0 unfortunately - but nice gui=
(???) 2C good layout and integrated verionica 2 search in toolbar.
(???) nd another i can find on my hdd or remember right now =2C it may be on my=
(???) osx machine or the amiga emulation
(???) From: spectre@floodgap.com
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(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] Someone out there with python skills want to help?
(???) =20
(???) > > the reason I chose Pygophers is that it could serve over wap and the
(???) > > main thing=2C is that is a gopher server that can do Gopher +
(???) >=20
(???) > Damn. Gophernicus does neither. WAP's dead anyway (yes=2C even here in=
(???) 20
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(???) n 10/06/2010 05:48 PM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-10-06 16:17, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???)
(???) > Can I hand arguments to the cgi script without having it a query type ?
(???)
(???) Nope. I tried to figure out an easy way to do it but couldn't come up
(???) with working code. The problem being this:
(???)
(???) ade it work with a filter and files with .mbox names, it send a list
(???) ike this
(TXT) [gopher] Re: ascii art<TAB>/MailingLists/gopher-2007-02.mbox?1<TAB>
(???) edtmule.home<TAB>70
(???) ith the ? it becomes a search_query and I gets a the number for the
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(???) n 2010-10-09 01:54, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) made it work with a filter and files with .mbox names, it send a list
(???) like this
(???) 0[gopher] Re: ascii art<TAB>/MailingLists/gopher-2007-02.mbox?1<TAB>
(???) fedtmule.home<TAB>70
(GIF) opher://telefisk.org/1/mailarchives/gopher/
(???) amn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) hat....
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(???) n 2010-10-09 08:35, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > made it work with a filter and files with .mbox names, it send a list
(???) > like this
(???) > 0[gopher] Re: ascii art<TAB>/MailingLists/gopher-2007-02.mbox?1<TAB>
(???) > fedtmule.home<TAB>70
(???)
(???) gopher://telefisk.org/1/mailarchives/gopher/
(???)
(???) Damn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) that....
(???) ust in case someone's wondering... Jacob's got a bunch of mbox files
(???) hich he wanted to share in splitted form without really splitting the
(???) iles.
(???) hat he did was redefine *.mbox as gopher type 1 menu (with a simple
(???) ommand line argument), and then coded a filter called "mbox" which
(SND) plits the mbox files into separate messages in real-time. Or actually,
f there's no query parameter the filter spits out a menu listing all
(???) he messages and if there is a query parameter it spits out a single
(???) essage.
(IMG) ngenious.
(IMG) remember someone on this list saying that real-time content
(???) ranscoding is "stupid" and "kills the server" and "cannot be done".
(???) ee hee...
(???) Kim
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(???) >
(???) > Damn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) > that....
(???)
(???) Just in case someone's wondering... Jacob's got a bunch of mbox files
(???) which he wanted to share in splitted form without really splitting the
(???) files.
(TN3) hat's pretty cool. There's an off-by-one error apparently though: it
(SND) eems that the last entry of the directories I was looking at don't work.
(???) ut the other ones work fine. Neat idea.
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(???) n 10/09/2010 02:53 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) >> gopher://telefisk.org/1/mailarchives/gopher/
(???) >>
(???) >> Damn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) >> that....
(???) >
(???) > Just in case someone's wondering... Jacob's got a bunch of mbox files
(???) > which he wanted to share in splitted form without really splitting the
(???) > files.
(???)
(???) That's pretty cool. There's an off-by-one error apparently though: it
(???) seems that the last entry of the directories I was looking at don't work.
(???) But the other ones work fine. Neat idea.
(???)
(???) ou are right :( shame on me for not testing that, counting of 1 for the
(???) ist but Mail::Box uses 0 hence the error at the end.
(???) ested it but gophernicus didnt like ?0 queries, will have to figure out
(???) hy.
(???) egards
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(???) n 2010-10-09 17:11, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) >>> Damn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) >>> that....
(???) >>
(???) >> Just in case someone's wondering... Jacob's got a bunch of mbox files
(???) >> which he wanted to share in splitted form without really splitting the
(???) >> files.
(???) >
(???) > That's pretty cool. There's an off-by-one error apparently though: it
(???) > seems that the last entry of the directories I was looking at don't work.
(???) > But the other ones work fine. Neat idea.
(???) >
(???)
(???) you are right :( shame on me for not testing that, counting of 1 for the
(???) list but Mail::Box uses 0 hence the error at the end.
(???)
(???) tested it but gophernicus didnt like ?0 queries, will have to figure out
(???) why.
(???) eems to work ok:
(GIF) opher://holviala.com/0/~kimmy/code/gophernicus/testsuite/cgi-bin/dump.sh?0
(???) esults in:
(???) UERY_STRING=0
(???) y dump.sh is pretty simple:
(???) !/bin/sh
(???) #
(???) # Dump environment
(???) #
(SND) et
(???) Kim
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(???) n 10/09/2010 02:53 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) >> gopher://telefisk.org/1/mailarchives/gopher/
(???) >>
(???) >> Damn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) >> that....
(???) >
(???) > Just in case someone's wondering... Jacob's got a bunch of mbox files
(???) > which he wanted to share in splitted form without really splitting the
(???) > files.
(???)
(???) That's pretty cool. There's an off-by-one error apparently though: it
(???) seems that the last entry of the directories I was looking at don't work.
(???) But the other ones work fine. Neat idea.
(???)
(???) ah perl bite me :) ($mail != "") vs ($mail ne "") to see if it was
(SND) upposed to show the list or a single mail.
(???) egards
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(???) > > > gopher://telefisk.org/1/mailarchives/gopher/
(???) > > >
(???) > > > Damn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) > > > that....
(???) > >
(???) > > Just in case someone's wondering... Jacob's got a bunch of mbox files
(???) > > which he wanted to share in splitted form without really splitting the
(???) > > files.
(???) >
(???) > That's pretty cool. There's an off-by-one error apparently though: it
(???) > seems that the last entry of the directories I was looking at don't work.
(???) > But the other ones work fine. Neat idea.
(???)
(???) Bah perl bite me :) ($mail != "") vs ($mail ne "") to see if it was
(???) supposed to show the list or a single mail.
(???) h, that fixes that. One other note while I was browsing (example:
(???) . There seem to be some duplicated messages:
(IMG) t looks like it gets stuck when the subject changes.
(???) till, it's very cool -- even better than the old UMN Rxxx-yyy format for
(???) rowsing mboxes.
(???) -
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(???) - In memory of Bruce Geller --------------------------------------------------
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(???) n 10/09/2010 04:01 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) >>>> gopher://telefisk.org/1/mailarchives/gopher/
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> Damn, that's a nice solution with beautiful urls. Didn't even think of
(???) >>>> that....
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Just in case someone's wondering... Jacob's got a bunch of mbox files
(???) >>> which he wanted to share in splitted form without really splitting the
(???) >>> files.
(???) >>
(???) >> That's pretty cool. There's an off-by-one error apparently though: it
(???) >> seems that the last entry of the directories I was looking at don't work.
(???) >> But the other ones work fine. Neat idea.
(???) >
(???) > Bah perl bite me :) ($mail != "") vs ($mail ne "") to see if it was
(???) > supposed to show the list or a single mail.
(???)
(???) Ah, that fixes that. One other note while I was browsing (example:
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) ). There seem to be some duplicated messages:
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) It looks like it gets stuck when the subject changes.
(???)
(???) Still, it's very cool -- even better than the old UMN Rxxx-yyy format for
(???) browsing mboxes.
(???)
(???) no that is actual because I had two email address reciving mails from
(???) he list at one point.
(???) eah umn just dump the raw mbox between those two byte numbers, headers
(???) nd all, I tried at one point to understand that UMN code, think its
(???) esponsible for my many grey hairs today.
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(???) n Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 02:10:41PM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) What he did was redefine *.mbox as gopher type 1 menu (with a simple
(???) command line argument), and then coded a filter called "mbox" which
(???) splits the mbox files into separate messages in real-time. Or actually,
(???) if there's no query parameter the filter spits out a menu listing all
(???) the messages and if there is a query parameter it spits out a single
(???) message.
(???) o, is the filter available? Right now, I physically split my mbox
(???) iles into separate files, and link that way:
(GIF) opher://pongonova.org:70/1/duf_archives
(TN3) his filter will keep from having to manually split the mbox file into
(SND) eparate files? If so, that would be great...
(???) --Brian
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(???) n 2010-10-09 22:09, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) > What he did was redefine *.mbox as gopher type 1 menu (with a simple
(???) > command line argument), and then coded a filter called "mbox" which
(???) > splits the mbox files into separate messages in real-time.
(???)
(???) So, is the filter available?
(???) ot from me, yet. But you can ask from Jakob who came up with the idea
(???) nd coded the (currently) only available implementation.
(???) > Right now, I physically split my mbox
(???) files into separate files, and link that way:
(???)
(???) gopher://pongonova.org:70/1/duf_archives
(???)
(???) This filter will keep from having to manually split the mbox file into
(???) separate files?
(???) es. Mboxes become virtual folders with "files" in them.
(???) If so, that would be great...
(IMG) don't think filters work with anything else than Gophernicus, so you'd
(HTM) ave to switch servers.
(???) ut doesn't pygoperhd already implement mbox splitting? Oh, but you're
(???) sing bucktooth... Maybe Cameron will tell whether anything like this is
(PNG) ossible with buck.
(???) Kim
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(???) amn,
(???) pt-get updated my Nokia N900 this morning and got a new version of
(???) obile Firefox. The version I got from the repos (4.0~b1) no longer
(SND) upports gopher....
(???) Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol
(???) gopher) isn't associated with any program."
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(???) n 10/09/2010 09:09 PM, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 02:10:41PM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > What he did was redefine *.mbox as gopher type 1 menu (with a simple
(???) > command line argument), and then coded a filter called "mbox" which
(???) > splits the mbox files into separate messages in real-time. Or actually,
(???) > if there's no query parameter the filter spits out a menu listing all
(???) > the messages and if there is a query parameter it spits out a single
(???) > message.
(???)
(???) So, is the filter available? Right now, I physically split my mbox
(???) files into separate files, and link that way:
(GIF) opher://telefisk.org/0/gopher/mbox2gopher.filter , is the version
(???) unning telefisk, I am trying to get threading working for a future version.
(???) egards
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(???) Apt-get updated my Nokia N900 this morning and got a new version of
(???) Mobile Firefox. The version I got from the repos (4.0~b1) no longer
(???) supports gopher....
(???)
(???) "Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol
(???) (gopher) isn't associated with any program."
(TN3) homas was looking into writing an N900 gopher client. I don't know if
(???) nything ever became of that.
(TN3) he N900 is why I would like to port OverbiteFF to Mobile Firefox (Android
s covered by Overbite Android for the moment).
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(???) I don't think filters work with anything else than Gophernicus, so you'd
(???) have to switch servers.
(???)
(???) But doesn't pygoperhd already implement mbox splitting? Oh, but you're
(???) using bucktooth... Maybe Cameron will tell whether anything like this is
(???) possible with buck.
(???) ot internally; you'd need to use a mole.
(???) ATH_INFO support will be in the next version of Bucktooth, which should
(HTM) elp somewhat. (It's been banged on sufficiently in HTTPi 1.7; almost
(???) xactly the same code will go into Bucktooth 0.2.9.)
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(???) hat just dawned on me is that this could easily be subsumed under Gopher.
(???) eck, a Gopher server on port 79 could serve this.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Thimbl: social networking for Finger?
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(???) n Sun, 10 Oct 2010, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) http://www.thimbl.net/
(???)
(???) What just dawned on me is that this could easily be subsumed under Gopher.
(???) Heck, a Gopher server on port 79 could serve this.
(???)
(HTM) ehe good old finger, morris worm used that as one of its attck vectors,
(???) nd it was a long standing security hole on amigaos and amitcp, in its
(???) arly versions.
(???) inda doubt many would be willing run that service this days, on the other
(HTM) and the protocol is so simple, people should have learned how to make it
(SND) ecure by now.
(???) egards
(???) -
(???) acob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org |
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Thimbl: social networking for Finger?
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(???) n 2010-10-11 02:43, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) hehe good old finger, morris worm used that as one of its attck vectors,
(???) and it was a long standing security hole on amigaos and amitcp, in its
(???) early versions.
(???) Kinda doubt many would be willing run that service this days, on the
(???) kimmy@x301 ~]$ finger kim@holviala.com
(???) ogin: kimmy Name: Kim Holviala
(???) irectory: /home/kimmy Shell: /bin/bash
(???) n since Mon Oct 11 5:48:02 2010 (EEST) from
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(???) o unread mail.
(IMG) 've had a finger server for maybe five years now with no problems
(???) hatsoever. I even had twitter integrated with my .plan for a few months
(???) until I realized what a waste twitter really is).
(???) Kim
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(???) > hehe good old finger, morris worm used that as one of its attck vectors,
(???) > and it was a long standing security hole on amigaos and amitcp, in its
(???) > early versions.
(???) > Kinda doubt many would be willing run that service this days, on the
(???)
(???) [kimmy@x301 ~]$ finger kim@holviala.com
(???) Login: kimmy Name: Kim Holviala
(???) Directory: /home/kimmy Shell: /bin/bash
(???)
(???) On since Mon Oct 11 5:48:02 2010 (EEST) from
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(???) No unread mail.
(???)
(???)
(???) I've had a finger server for maybe five years now with no problems
(???) whatsoever. I even had twitter integrated with my .plan for a few months
(???) (until I realized what a waste twitter really is).
(IMG) 'm a bit of a Twitter addict myself (see TTYtter, but that's a whole
(???) ther story).
(IMG) run a finger server on my main host (finger, for example,
(???) kaiser@floodgap.com). It's mostly just for yuks.
(???) ike I say, though, this is something a gopher server could eat for
(???) reakfast.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] ANNOUNCE: curl and libcurl 7.21.2 (fwd)
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(???) oohoo! We're back in cURL!
(???) ---- Forwarded message from Daniel Stenberg -----
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(???) i friends,
(IMG) 'm very happy to announce a fresh curl and libcurl release. This time we
(???) ostly provide a series of bug fixes, including a security vulnerability fix.
(???) e're now officially beyond 1500 bug fixes made since curl 6.0, which happened
(???) ver 4000 days ago... Thank you everyone who keep providing help, patches,
(SND) upport, advice and more!
(???) et curl, as usual, from http://curl.haxx.se/download.html
(???) url and libcurl 7.21.2
(???) Public curl releases: 118
(???) Command line options: 138
(???) curl_easy_setopt() options: 180
(???) Public functions in libcurl: 58
(???) Known libcurl bindings: 39
(???) Contributors: 817
(TN3) his release includes the following changes:
(???) o curl -T: ignore file size of special files
(???) o Added GOPHER protocol support
(???) o Added mk-ca-bundle.vbs script
(???) o c-ares build now requires c-ares >= 1.6.0
(TN3) his release includes the following bugfixes:
(???) o --remote-header-name security vulnerability fixed:
(???) http://curl.haxx.se/docs/adv_20101013.html
(???) o multi: support the timeouts correctly, fixes known bug #62
(???) o multi: use timeouts properly for MAX_RECV/SEND_SPEED
(???) o negotiation: Wrong proxy authorization
(???) o multi: avoid sending multiple complete messages
(???) o cmdline: make -F type= accept ;charset=
(???) o RESUME_FROM: clarify what ftp uploads do
(???) o http: handle trailer headers in all chunked responses
(???) o Curl_is_connected: use correct errno
(???) o Added SSPI build to Watcom makefile
(???) o progress: callback for POSTs less than MAX_INITIAL_POST_SIZE
(???) o linking problem on Fedora 13
(???) o Link curl and the test apps with -lrt explicitly when necessary
(???) o chunky parser: only rewind stream internally if needed
(???) o remote-header-name: don't output filename when NULL
(???) o Curl_timeleft: avoid returning "no timeout" by mistake
(???) o timeout: use the correct start value as offset
(???) o FTP: fix wrong timeout trigger
(???) o buildconf got better output on failures
(???) o rtsp: avoid SIGSEGV on malformed header
(???) o LDAP: Support for tunnelling queries through HTTP proxy
(???) o configure's --enable-werror had a bashism
(???) o test565: Don't hardcode IP:PORT
(???) o configure: check for gcrypt if using GnuTLS
(???) o configure: don't enable RTMP if the lib detect fails
(???) o curl_easy_duphandle: clone the c-ares handle correctly
(???) o MacOSX-Framework: updates for Snowleopard
(???) o support URL containing colon without trailing port number
(???) o parsedate: allow time specified without seconds
(???) o curl_easy_escape: don't escape "unreserved" characters
(???) o SFTP: avoid downloading negative sizes
(???) o Lots of GSS/KRB FTP fixes
(???) o TFTP: Work around tftpd-hpa upload bug
(???) o libcurl.m4: several fixes
(???) o HTTP: remove special case for 416
(???) o examples: use example.com in example URLs
(???) o globbing: fix crash on unballanced open brace
(???) o cmake: build fixed
(TN3) his release includes the following known bugs:
(???) o see docs/KNOWN_BUGS (http://curl.haxx.se/docs/knownbugs.html)
(TN3) his release would not have looked like this without help, code, reports and
(???) dvice from friends like these:
(???) Kamil Dudka, Ben Greear, Cameron Kaiser, Dan Fandrich, Dirk Manske,
(???) Guenter Knauf, Julien Chaffraix, Quanah Gibson-Mount, Tor Arntsen,
(???) Peter Pentchev, James Bursa, Fabian Keil, Michal Gorny, Mauro Iorio,
(???) Hendrik Visage, Ning Dong, David McCreedy, Patrick Monnerat,
(???) Tim Newsome, Dan Locks, Vlad Ureche, Dimitre Dimitrov
(???) Thanks! (and sorry if I forgot to mention someone)
(???) -
(???) / daniel.haxx.se
(???) ------------------------------------------------------------------
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(???) tiquette: http://curl.haxx.se/mail/etiquette.html
(???) ---- End of forwarded message from Daniel Stenberg -----
(???) -
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(???) ongratulations! Thanks for fighting the good fight, Cameron.
(???) ong Live Gopher!
(???) -
(???) avid Meyer
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Looking for a text-mode gopher client with certain features
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(???) i,
(IMG) typically use ELinks for my web browsing, so I think I'd be at
(HTM) ome using a text-mode gopher client. As far as I can tell, what's
(???) vailable for Unix/Linux is:
(HTM) ttp://www.quux.org:70/devel/gopher/Downloads/gopher_3.0.10.tar.gz
(???) hich is what's aptitude installed on my Debian system. I've also
(???) ried Lynx. Both of these seem to work ok, but there are a few
(???) eatures I'm not finding:
(???) Have the cursor stop at bottom & top when scrolling through links or
(???) menus rather than jumping from the bottom to the top when scrolling
(???) down and jumping from the top to the bottom when scrolling up.
(???) Linewise scrolling -- when scrolling through a long page, the text
(???) jumps a full screenful at a time. I'd like the capability to scroll
(???) through pages a line at a time.
(???) Tab completion of directories when defining a filepath to save a
(???) file to, with an overwrite warning if the file already exists.
(???) ould anyone know if it's possible to configure either of these
(???) lients to behave as described? Or if there's another text-mode gopher
(???) lient that might be worth looking into? I believe ELinks can be
(???) ompiled with Gopher support...has anyone given that a try?
(???) egards,
(???) ohn
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Looking for a text-mode gopher client with certain
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(???) Which is what's aptitude installed on my Debian system. I've also
(???) tried Lynx. Both of these seem to work ok, but there are a few
(???) features I'm not finding:
(???)
(???) * Have the cursor stop at bottom & top when scrolling through links or
(???) menus rather than jumping from the bottom to the top when scrolling
(???) down and jumping from the top to the bottom when scrolling up.
(???)
(???) * Linewise scrolling -- when scrolling through a long page, the text
(???) jumps a full screenful at a time. I'd like the capability to scroll
(???) through pages a line at a time.
(???) o sort of a scrolling window on a larger "menu," you mean?
(IMG) 'm not aware of one, though I'm sure there's a way to cook such a thing
(???) p. I haven't tried the ELinks gopher support myself.
(???) -
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(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Looking for a text-mode gopher client with certain
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(???) n 2010-10-14 06:16, John Magolske wrote:
(???) Which is what's aptitude installed on my Debian system. I've also
(???) tried Lynx. Both of these seem to work ok, but there are a few
(???) features I'm not finding:
(???)
(???) * Have the cursor stop at bottom& top when scrolling through links or
(???) menus rather than jumping from the bottom to the top when scrolling
(???) down and jumping from the top to the bottom when scrolling up.
(???)
(???) * Linewise scrolling -- when scrolling through a long page, the text
(???) jumps a full screenful at a time. I'd like the capability to scroll
(???) through pages a line at a time.
(???)
(???) * Tab completion of directories when defining a filepath to save a
(???) file to, with an overwrite warning if the file already exists.
(???)
(???) Would anyone know if it's possible to configure either of these
(???) clients to behave as described? Or if there's another text-mode gopher
(???) client that might be worth looking into?
(IMG) 'm going to try to make one soon... The server I've been coding is
(PNG) retty much feature-complete and I need a new project :-). BSD licence
(???) nd plentiful comments mean that it should be easy to extend.
(???) actually, my Supa Sekrut Projekt(tm) is to make a VERY different
(???) ouch-based gopher browser for mobile phones, but as that is a
(???) omplicated problem to solve I think I'm just going to do a standard
(???) urses-based one first)
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Looking for a text-mode gopher client with certain
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(???) i,
(???) ou might want to try out my gopher client for Linux:
(HTM) ttp://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/software/ddwarf/
(???) also available via gopher, at:
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/projects/ddwarf/ )
(???) ye,
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) ohn Magolske wrote:
(???) I typically use ELinks for my web browsing, so I think I'd be at
(???) home using a text-mode gopher client. As far as I can tell, what's
(???) available for Unix/Linux is:
(???)
(???) http://www.quux.org:70/devel/gopher/Downloads/gopher_3.0.10.tar.gz
(???)
(???) Which is what's aptitude installed on my Debian system. I've also
(???) tried Lynx. Both of these seem to work ok, but there are a few
(???) features I'm not finding:
(???)
(???) * Have the cursor stop at bottom & top when scrolling through links or
(???) menus rather than jumping from the bottom to the top when scrolling
(???) down and jumping from the top to the bottom when scrolling up.
(???)
(???) * Linewise scrolling -- when scrolling through a long page, the text
(???) jumps a full screenful at a time. I'd like the capability to scroll
(???) through pages a line at a time.
(???)
(???) * Tab completion of directories when defining a filepath to save a
(???) file to, with an overwrite warning if the file already exists.
(???)
(???) Would anyone know if it's possible to configure either of these
(???) clients to behave as described? Or if there's another text-mode gopher
(???) client that might be worth looking into? I believe ELinks can be
(???) compiled with Gopher support...has anyone given that a try?
(???)
(???) Regards,
(???)
(???) John
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(IMG) 'd like to see this bug, but Bugzilla has it sec-locked still. I wonder
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(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???) http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2010/mfsa2010-68.html
(???)
(???) I'd like to see this bug, but Bugzilla has it sec-locked still. I wonder
(???) if OverbiteFF is vulnerable to it also (I don't think so, I tried to do
(???) as much as I could to sanitize it).
(???) ecurity through obscurity is interesting - the bug is still locked.
(IMG) suppose that if they didn't have already decided to remove gopher
(SND) upport, they'd do it now to "fix" this bug.
(???) From what I understand, this means Gecko somehow allows HTML and
(???) avaScript to go through while rendering the menu.
(IMG) think I'm missing something, because they say "run [...] within the
(???) ontext of the site.". So this means they've accidentally enabled
(???) avascript support in gopher menus, right? From this description, it
(SND) eems it's not different (as in "more dangerous") from a webpage with a
(???) SCRIPT> block.
(???) ut we probably have to wait until they disclose the bug to completely
(???) nderstand what is it about.
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(???) > http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2010/mfsa2010-68.html
(???) >
(???) > I'd like to see this bug, but Bugzilla has it sec-locked still. I wonder
(???) > if OverbiteFF is vulnerable to it also (I don't think so, I tried to do
(???) > as much as I could to sanitize it).
(???)
(???) Security through obscurity is interesting - the bug is still locked.
(???)
(???) I suppose that if they didn't have already decided to remove gopher
(???) support, they'd do it now to "fix" this bug.
(???)
(???) From what I understand, this means Gecko somehow allows HTML and
(???) JavaScript to go through while rendering the menu.
(IMG) figured it out thanks to carefully looking through hg changesets until I
(???) ound the bug. To wit,
(???) otice that the flaw is NOT in the menu processor, so the summary is quite
(???) isleading. The bug is actually in the code that linkifies plain text,
(???) hich is easiest to exploit from gopher because gopher always uses it. Since
(???) verbiteFF does not linkify text (although this was a ridiculously stupid
(???) ug if you read the code), it is not vulnerable. If someone finds a way to
(???) SS OverbiteFF, I want to know about it!
(TN3) his will reliably exploit the bug:
(???) it's just an alert()). It still works on Camino 2.0.5 because that is built
(???) n 3.0.next, which is still vulnerable and was not fixed by this patch.
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(???) n Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 06:52:24PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) This will reliably exploit the bug:
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) (it's just an alert()). It still works on Camino 2.0.5 because that is built
(???) on 3.0.next, which is still vulnerable and was not fixed by this patch.
(TN3) his is all I got:
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(???) > This will reliably exploit the bug:
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > (it's just an alert()). It still works on Camino 2.0.5 because that is built
(???) > on 3.0.next, which is still vulnerable and was not fixed by this patch.
(???)
(???) This is all I got:
(???)
(???) http://www.floodgap.com"><script>alert('boo')</script> ha ha ha
(???) hat browser was this? (That's all you *should* get, but on Camino and Fx
(IMG) get an alert "boo".)
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(???) n Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:52:56PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > This is all I got:
(???) >
(???) > http://www.floodgap.com"><script>alert('boo')</script> ha ha ha
(???)
(???) What browser was this? (That's all you *should* get, but on Camino and Fx
(???) I get an alert "boo".)
(???) y bad...your subject line said "FF 3.6", and I missed that. I was on
(???) F 3.5. Although it's interesting that the problem was apparently
ntroduced after the 3.5 release...
(???) --Brian
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(???) ubject: [gopher] changes to support for OverbiteFF 2.x and 3.0
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(???) o I'm busy computing out my roadmap since Firefox 4 will probably come out
(SND) ometime in late December-early January based on the number of blockers
(HTM) olding up beta 7 and their general pace of development. Once 4b7 comes out,
(IMG) will probably extend support for OverbiteFF to SeaMonkey 2.1b1 also.
(TN3) he idea was to make 2.1 into the Caps release, adding caps.txt support to
(???) verbiteFF using Firefox's local storage APIs. Unfortunately, 3.0 doesn't
(SND) upport this at all and it doesn't look like 3.5's support is mature enough.
(???) hile 3.0 is only used by Camino, Fx 3.5 is still a supported branch, so
t should still be getting updates at least for the near future.
(???) o instead, 2.1 will be a down payment on improved navigation. Item type
(???) ssist will be in 2.1, along with an XUL overlay for terminal documents
(???) llowing you to get back to a server root menu directly (just like the
(???) -turn in regular menus). 2.1 will support 3.0, 3.5, 3.6 and 4.0, and will
(???) e timed to come out at the same time as the 4.0 release candidates. It
(???) ill be the last OverbiteFF to support 3.0, 3.5 and SeaMonkey 2.0.
(ERR) .0 will become the Caps release, and will add full support for both
(???) aps-based navigation in menus and terminal documents, along with Caps
(???) etadata in menus so you can browse server-provided information. 3.0 will
(???) nly support Fx 3.6 and 4.0 and browsers based on those versions (SeaMonkey
(PHO) .1). 3.0 is unlikely to come out for awhile; I still need to do a lot of
nfrastructure work and I'm being delayed by simultaneous work on TTYtter,
(???) lassilla and my 10.4/PowerPC fork of Firefox 4. However, when it does
(???) merge, it is likely to be a very stable and long-lived branch as most
(???) dditions at that point will just be maintenance and small feature updates.
(IMG) 'm kind of doubtful I'll be adding Gopher+ to it unless there is a big
(???) utcry.
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(???) n Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) 3.0 will become the Caps release, and will add full support for both
(???) Caps-based navigation in menus and terminal documents, along with Caps
(???) metadata in menus so you can browse server-provided information. 3.0 will
(???) only support Fx 3.6 and 4.0 and browsers based on those versions (SeaMonkey
(???) 2.1). 3.0 is unlikely to come out for awhile; I still need to do a lot of
(???) infrastructure work and I'm being delayed by simultaneous work on TTYtter,
(???) Classilla and my 10.4/PowerPC fork of Firefox 4. However, when it does
(???) emerge, it is likely to be a very stable and long-lived branch as most
(???) additions at that point will just be maintenance and small feature updates.
(???) h didnt know you where working on a 10.4 port also, I guess classilla and
(???) he 10.4 fork is totalt seperat builds, can you atleast reuse some of the
(???) ode between them?
(???) I'm kind of doubtful I'll be adding Gopher+ to it unless there is a big
(???) outcry.
(GIF) iven gopher+ never saw much use, hardly a blip in the twisted maze of
(GIF) opherspace, its absence is bearable imho.
s there anyone on our lists that uses gopher+ for something that absloute
(???) ant be done without it ?
(IMG) have been improving that mbox fliter for gophernicus a bit so it now
(???) uild a thread tree like we know from our email clients, it almost works
(HTM) ere now.
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(???) > 3.0 will become the Caps release, and will add full support for both
(???) > Caps-based navigation in menus and terminal documents, along with Caps
(???) > metadata in menus so you can browse server-provided information. 3.0 will
(???) > only support Fx 3.6 and 4.0 and browsers based on those versions (SeaMonkey
(???) > 2.1). 3.0 is unlikely to come out for awhile; I still need to do a lot of
(???) > infrastructure work and I'm being delayed by simultaneous work on TTYtter,
(???) > Classilla and my 10.4/PowerPC fork of Firefox 4. However, when it does
(???) > emerge, it is likely to be a very stable and long-lived branch as most
(???) > additions at that point will just be maintenance and small feature updates.
(???)
(???) Oh didnt know you where working on a 10.4 port also, I guess classilla and
(???) the 10.4 fork is totalt seperat builds, can you atleast reuse some of the
(???) code between them?
(???) ery little code is in common anymore. Classilla was based on 1.3.1, which
s 2003-era code. Much of it has changed completely, even the underlying
(???) SPR and XPCOM libraries. Although 9.3 adds some 1.7 and 1.8-based layout
(???) ode, it's still mostly 1.3.1 with up-patches.
(TN3) he 10.4 Fx4 port (which now looks like it will be the only PowerPC build
(???) f Firefox 4 available, for Leopard or Tiger), on the other hand, is truly
(???) irefox 4. Other than some tweaks to get it to build and restoring much of
(???) he 10.4 UI support, it's the same code. I'll probably add bug 572000 to it
(???) s a local commit, however, even if Mozilla doesn't accept it (it looks
(???) ikely now that they won't given all the other problems with beta 7, but hope
(SND) prings eternal), and eventually write basic gopher support that people can
(???) pdate with Overbite if they want.
(???) > I'm kind of doubtful I'll be adding Gopher+ to it unless there is a big
(???) > outcry.
(???) given gopher+ never saw much use, hardly a blip in the twisted maze of
(???) gopherspace, its absence is bearable imho.
(???) is there anyone on our lists that uses gopher+ for something that absloute
(???) cant be done without it ?
(IMG) 'd be interested to hear myself. Kim? John?
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] changes to support for OverbiteFF 2.x and 3.0
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(???) > is there anyone on our lists that uses gopher+ for something that
(???) > absloute cant be done without it ?
(???)
(???) I'd be interested to hear myself. Kim? John?
(???) hort answer: No.
(???) lightly longer answer only limited by this N900 keyboard and my flight leaving soon: I reread the gopher+ spec a few weeks ago, and while it has some good ideas (scarily similar to what I wanted to do even before reading the spec) the gopher+ spec is just a mess. Other than being able to say that "I support +" I couldn't come up with a reason to ever implement it.
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(???) Slightly longer answer only limited by this N900 keyboard and my flight
(???) leaving soon: I reread the gopher+ spec a few weeks ago, and while it has
(???) some good ideas (scarily similar to what I wanted to do even before reading
(???) the spec) the gopher+ spec is just a mess.
(???) eassured to hear I'm not the only one with that opinion :)
(IMG) 'm sorely tempted to pick up an unlocked N900. As soon as this iPhone 3GS
(???) ither dies or Apple boots support, I'm switching to my Nexus One (with
(???) verbite Android), but the N900 is just so pretty and I love the terminal
(???) ccess.
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(???) I'm sorely tempted to pick up an unlocked N900. As soon as this iPhone
(???) 3GS either dies or Apple boots support, I'm switching to my Nexus One
(???) (with Overbite Android), but the N900 is just so pretty and I love the
(???) terminal access.
(???) s a phone, this sucks. Probably the worst phone I've had in the last 10 years. Not that the iPhone is any better...
(???) s a mobile web browser this is Teh Best. Nothing else compares to a wide screen display, full keyboard and full Firefox with Adobe Flash. iPhone is a cruel joke compared to N900 no matter what the apologists say.
(???) s an applicatio platform.... well... there are no apps. As in NO APPS. And since Maemo is dead, there will be no apps. Ever.
(???) ut for a hacker having a phone that runs standard Debian, GTK2 and normal X11 is just too cool to pass. Running x11vnc on N900 exports the GUI nicely... ssh -X makes it possible to run remote apps. And so on. Need office? Install OOo. Need a wifi scanner? Kismet works. IPv6 works. Everything Just Works(tm). And everything including the bootloader is open - no jailbreaking is needed.
(???) uite simply this is the best toy I've ever had.
(???) -D
(???) Kim
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(???) n the Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:13:44AM +0300, Kim Holviala blubbered:
(???) i all.
(???) > I'm sorely tempted to pick up an unlocked N900. As soon as this iPhone
(???) > 3GS either dies or Apple boots support, I'm switching to my Nexus One
(???) > (with Overbite Android), but the N900 is just so pretty and I love the
(???) > terminal access.
(???)
(???) As a phone, this sucks. Probably the worst phone I've had in the last 10 years. Not that the iPhone is any better...
(IMG) n terms of handling/using the "phone app" or in terms of speech
(???) uality? Okee, makeing calls can be a bit tricky, but receiving
(???) alls is fully okee the way it is. I especially like the
ntegration of Skype, Jabber and SIP. Phone rings and you pick
(???) p the call. Oh and I think the quality of the handset is just
(???) xcellent.
(???) Quite simply this is the best toy I've ever had.
(???) :-D
(???) men to that! =:-) Hopefully, the N9 will stand up to its
(PNG) redecessor!
(???) U, Venty
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(???) e demand, that for every maleserver in the internets,
(???) here should also be a femaleserver!
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(???) orry about going WAY offtocpic...
(???) n 2010-10-28 14:46, Martin Ebnoether wrote:
(???) > As a phone, this sucks. Probably the worst phone I've had in the
(???) > last 10 years. Not that the iPhone is any better...
(???)
(???) In terms of handling/using the "phone app" or in terms of speech
(???) quality?
(???) peech quality is extremely good, both phone-in-teh-ear and the
(SND) peakerphone version. Mic is good too, guaranteed Nokia quality.
(???) ut I get dropped calls, couple of times per week the phone just drops
(???) ff the networks and won't notify me (all incoming calls go nowhere),
(???) alling someone without a physical numerical keyboard sucks, answering
(SND) ucks since it's missing hardware "green button" etc.
(???) nd my all-time favorite bug (before the PR1.3 update two days ago fixed
t) was the "dancing buttons" syndrome where you tried to hit "Answer"
(???) nd the button would dance around the screen and you'd hit something
(???) lse instead. Usually The Red one. Fun.
(???) I especially like the integration of
(???) Skype, Jabber and SIP. Phone rings and you pick up the call.
(IMG) 've never used VOIP nor do I see the need to show my ugly bald head to
(???) nybody. Funny though, my wife's totally computer-illeterate mom uses
(???) kype (with video!) all the time.
(???) Kim
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(???) ot this from Felix (the maintainer of Pocket Gopher) today, for
(???) hose of you using it or with a J2ME-compatible device.
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(???) ---- forwarded message from Felix Plesoianu -----
(???) ello Cameron,
(IMG) finally managed to move off my ass and implement search queries in
(???) ocket Gopher. Now to do something about text file display, as text
(???) oxes just don't cut it...
(???) heers,
(???) elix
(???) ---- forwarded message from Felix Plesoianu -----
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - The whippings shall continue until morale improves. ------------------------
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