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(???) ubject: [gopher] pygopherd not executing scripts attn: john goerzen
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(???) here's a report outlining the whole issue with logs from a friend with his=
(???) pentium 1 system running netbsd 5.02 iircI'd be grateful if you could fix =
t john :)
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(???) hx again! (hoping to finally get 2 G sites online when this issue is sorte=
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(???) n 08/02/2010 04:44 AM, daniel g wrote:
(???) * here's a report outlining the whole issue with logs from a friend
(???) with his pentium 1 system running netbsd 5.02 iirc
(???) * I'd be grateful if you could fix it john :)
(TN3) he executable bit is special for two handlers: scriptexec and pyg. If
t is set, one of these handlers may try to execute it. Either remove
(???) he execute bit or remove those handlers from your config.
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(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???) > What I think they shouldn't do is just drop it due to security
(???) > concerns. See, dropping extension support would avoid problems due to
(???) > evil add-ons. Dropping plugins would avoid the Adobe Flash programming
(???) > errors. And dropping javascript would solve lots of other problems. It
(???) > should be about what they want to support and have in their program.
(???)
(???) I agree wholeheartedly, and I think the whole security thing was a
(???) smokescreen.
(???)
(???) My personal feeling is that they wanted to shake out technologies they
(???) believed were not worth their time, and they chose (not unreasonably)
(???) Moz 2.0 where a large number of internal changes were taking place to
(???) draw that line. Although they never went out and said it, this was
(???) implied by comments like Mike Shaver's where they did not want cycles
(???) wasted on testing and development for it.
(IMG) 'd like them to state clearly the true, deep reason. Although, we've
(???) lready found they're against gopher support itself, we deserve a clear
(???) nswer.
(???) I would be disappointed, but respectful, if they had been open about
(???) this from the beginning. The real argument is how much investment it
(???) would have required to maintain, and, well, my perspective on that is
(???) well known. I was more than willing to do the work to keep the code in.
(???) But that wasn't what they wanted.
(IMG) f they say manpower is the issue, I'd expect more of that to fix the
ssue. It seems they should really double-check their excuses.
(IMG) hope the fact they didn't point out a solid reason to take it out does
(???) ot mean they didn't spend enough time thinking about it.
(???)
(???) The fix was in for Gopher back in 2007, and I'm just happy we got it
(???) to stay in for three years after that.
(???) o am I. Although I use Overbite, sometimes I rely on Firefox's native
(???) bility to browse the protocol. Also, as nowadays many people are using
(???) irefox, this means that during the last years they were able to browse
(???) he link in my signature.
(???) For the record, killing Gopher in Fx 4.0 has awakened a lot of background
(???) interest from people peripherally aware of it who were sorry to see it go.
(???) I've gotten quite a few letters from people who were happy to see an
(???) add-on still in maintenance, and said they would spread it around a bit.
(???) This might amplify as the actual end (i.e., release of Fx 4.0 final)
(???) approaches.
(???) opher saw some interest in the last months, like an article at
(???) oingBoing (then quoted in /.), on the "gopher archive".
(???) key point in spreading gopher is the support of a largely used browser
(???) ike Firefox. As we will still have a pointer to Overbite when browsing
(GIF) opher:, that's not completely lost (I don't mean it's good, I mean it
sn't as bad as it could be) --- people can still follow the link and
nstall Overbite.
(???) aybe the userbase grows a lot in the next months, for some new users it
(???) ight be just a matter of seeing things differently, as Rob Sayers says
(???) Thinkig of it like that, a method of easily serving directoies of data,
(???) ather than a scaled down web makes the whole thing more appealing I
(???) hink."
n gopher://gopher.robsayers.com/0/whygopher.txt
(???) I heard back from the SeaMonkey folks and they were happy to offer
(???) assistance porting OverbiteFF to SM, and it's nearly done if people want
(???) to give it a spin.
(IMG) 've not used Seamonkey for ages (actually, I never used it, I used the
(???) ozilla Suite), but maybe it's time to look at it again :-)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] OverbiteFF 2.0.1522
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(???) igh. Someone found a problem in the French locale that prevented it from
(???) unning, so I have regenerated that and checked the other locales. This
(???) should* work, but if the current locale is broken for you, grab .1522.
(???) -
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(???) > My personal feeling is that they wanted to shake out technologies they
(???) > believed were not worth their time, and they chose (not unreasonably)
(???) > Moz 2.0 where a large number of internal changes were taking place to
(???) > draw that line. Although they never went out and said it, this was
(???) > implied by comments like Mike Shaver's where they did not want cycles
(???) > wasted on testing and development for it.
(???)
(???) I'd like them to state clearly the true, deep reason. Although, we've
(???) already found they're against gopher support itself, we deserve a clear
(???) answer.
(IMG) did find a Google Chrome request someone filed to add gopher to that.
(IMG) t was pretty crisply rejected even though a lot of people joined in.
(???) Gopher saw some interest in the last months, like an article at
(???) BoingBoing (then quoted in /.), on the "gopher archive".
(???)
(???) A key point in spreading gopher is the support of a largely used browser
(???) like Firefox. As we will still have a pointer to Overbite when browsing
(???) gopher:, that's not completely lost (I don't mean it's good, I mean it
(???) isn't as bad as it could be) --- people can still follow the link and
(???) install Overbite.
(IMG) hope that Mozilla adopts bug 572000; this at least gives people a way
(???) o migrate. I think, though, we should be emphasizing more why Gopher is
(DOC) ifferent rather than the popular misconception that it's a "mini Web."
(???) ob did put this very well, better than I did in so many words:
(???) "Thinkig of it like that, a method of easily serving directoies of data,
(???) rather than a scaled down web makes the whole thing more appealing I
(???) think."
(???)
(???) in gopher://gopher.robsayers.com/0/whygopher.txt
(IMG) think anything helping to encourage its hierarchical nature serves to
(???) ake it more distinct, and therefore more valuable/relevant.
(???) lso, I'm exploring Gopher in constrained environments. On Twitter we
(???) ere talking about Gopher over AX.25 and KISS packet radio links. This
(SND) ounds like a terrific use for a link that is at best 9600bps and often
(???) s low as 1200bps, much like using GPRS and Overbite Android on a mobile
(DOC) evice.
(???) > I heard back from the SeaMonkey folks and they were happy to offer
(???) > assistance porting OverbiteFF to SM, and it's nearly done if people want
(???) > to give it a spin.
(???)
(???) I've not used Seamonkey for ages (actually, I never used it, I used the
(???) Mozilla Suite), but maybe it's time to look at it again :-)
(DIR) 522 has SeaMonkey support in it, so let me know how you like it. SM are
(SND) trict embedders of Mozilla, so when they adopt Mozilla 2.0 (in SM 2.1),
(GIF) opher dies there also. However, 2.1 is barely in its second alpha and there
s probably a long way to go before it will even make beta.
(IMG) myself use Camino, which is still on 1.9.0 and only just going to 1.9.2,
(???) lthough being non-XUL and having no overt extension mechanism it requires
(HTM) ackery to get Overbite in it.
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(???) n 08/03/2010 08:02 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Also, I'm exploring Gopher in constrained environments. On Twitter we
(???) were talking about Gopher over AX.25 and KISS packet radio links. This
(???) sounds like a terrific use for a link that is at best 9600bps and often
(???) as low as 1200bps, much like using GPRS and Overbite Android on a mobile
(???) device.
(???) ery interesting. I'm just getting into amateur radio myself, and
(???) xperimenting with digital modes is very much on my list of things to
(???) ry. Are people running TCP over AX.25? And where can I read about
(???) ISS packet radio?
(???) - John
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(???) n Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 08:37:28PM -0400, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Very interesting. I'm just getting into amateur radio myself, and
(???) experimenting with digital modes is very much on my list of things
(???) to
(???) try. Are people running TCP over AX.25? And where can I read about
(???) KISS packet radio?
(???) ohn, packet radio isn't exactly dead, but it's not nearly as popular
(???) s it once was. APRS is probably the most widespread implementation
(???) f packet radio right now. TAPR (http://www.tapr.org) is still
(???) icking about in the packet arena. The movement now is towards
(HTM) igh-speed mesh networks (a Google search for HSMM will turn up loads
(???) f hits). Also, there is a lot of activity in HF digital modes, esp.
(SND) ince all that's required now is a sound card, appropriate interface,
(???) nd an HF rig. Because of the limited bandwidth and lower S/N ratios
(???) n HF, throughput is rather limited to 300 baud or less (which makes
(GIF) opher even more ideal in these situations).
(IMG) 've just gotten back into amateur radio myself after a 15-year break,
(???) nd am most interested in digital modes and have been thinking of ways
(???) o integrate gopher into the mix as well.
(???) --Brian
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(???) ust my semi-annual reminder to everyone that the #gopherproject
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(???) > Very interesting. I'm just getting into amateur radio myself, and
(???) > experimenting with digital modes is very much on my list of things
(???) > to try. Are people running TCP over AX.25? And where can I read about
(???) > KISS packet radio?
(???)
(???) John, packet radio isn't exactly dead, but it's not nearly as popular
(???) as it once was. APRS is probably the most widespread implementation
(???) of packet radio right now. TAPR (http://www.tapr.org) is still
(???) kicking about in the packet arena. The movement now is towards
(???) high-speed mesh networks (a Google search for HSMM will turn up loads
(???) of hits). Also, there is a lot of activity in HF digital modes, esp.
(???) since all that's required now is a sound card, appropriate interface,
(???) and an HF rig. Because of the limited bandwidth and lower S/N ratios
(???) on HF, throughput is rather limited to 300 baud or less (which makes
(???) gopher even more ideal in these situations).
(???) o I guess this begs the question. I'm sure with stuff like MixW (which
s a pretty neat package) you can mimic a NIC and then run any Gopher
(???) lient or Firefox, etc.
(???) ut with simple AX.25, what would be the best way to do that? A server
(???) hat offers a line mode client?
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(???) > > Very interesting. I'm just getting into amateur radio myself, and
(???) > > experimenting with digital modes is very much on my list of things
(???) > > to try. Are people running TCP over AX.25? And where can I read about
(???) > > KISS packet radio?
(???) >
(???) > John, packet radio isn't exactly dead, but it's not nearly as popular
(???) > as it once was. APRS is probably the most widespread implementation
(???) > of packet radio right now. TAPR (http://www.tapr.org) is still
(???) > kicking about in the packet arena. The movement now is towards
(???) > high-speed mesh networks (a Google search for HSMM will turn up loads
(???) > of hits). Also, there is a lot of activity in HF digital modes, esp.
(???) > since all that's required now is a sound card, appropriate interface,
(???) > and an HF rig. Because of the limited bandwidth and lower S/N ratios
(???) > on HF, throughput is rather limited to 300 baud or less (which makes
(???) > gopher even more ideal in these situations).
(???)
(???) So I guess this begs the question. I'm sure with stuff like MixW (which
(???) is a pretty neat package) you can mimic a NIC and then run any Gopher
(???) client or Firefox, etc.
(???)
(???) But with simple AX.25, what would be the best way to do that? A server
(???) that offers a line mode client?
(???) .. by which I mean the TNC receives a selector, and sends back, line by
(???) ine, either the file or a gopher menu.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] A letter to Mozilla Foundation
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(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???) > > My personal feeling is that they wanted to shake out technologies they
(???) > > believed were not worth their time, and they chose (not unreasonably)
(???) > > Moz 2.0 where a large number of internal changes were taking place to
(???) > > draw that line. Although they never went out and said it, this was
(???) > > implied by comments like Mike Shaver's where they did not want cycles
(???) > > wasted on testing and development for it.
(???) >
(???) > I'd like them to state clearly the true, deep reason. Although, we've
(???) > already found they're against gopher support itself, we deserve a clear
(???) > answer.
(???)
(???) I did find a Google Chrome request someone filed to add gopher to that.
(???) It was pretty crisply rejected even though a lot of people joined in.
(IMG) found two requests (maybe they should have been merged), 5106 and
(DIR) 1345
(HTM) ttp://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=5106
(HTM) ttp://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=11345
(???) oth stamped WONTFIX.
(???) There is also bug 30840, if people are told it's an unsupported
(PNG) rotocol and that they need another program to browse it, it's far
(???) etter than getting a google web search, no matter what is the
(???) nsupported protocol.)
(HTM) ttp://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=30840
(???) > A key point in spreading gopher is the support of a largely used browser
(???) > like Firefox. As we will still have a pointer to Overbite when browsing
(???) > gopher:, that's not completely lost (I don't mean it's good, I mean it
(???) > isn't as bad as it could be) --- people can still follow the link and
(???) > install Overbite.
(???)
(???) I hope that Mozilla adopts bug 572000; this at least gives people a way
(???) to migrate. I think, though, we should be emphasizing more why Gopher is
(???) different rather than the popular misconception that it's a "mini Web."
(???) Rob did put this very well, better than I did in so many words:
(???)
(???) > "Thinkig of it like that, a method of easily serving directoies of data,
(???) > rather than a scaled down web makes the whole thing more appealing I
(???) > think."
(???) >
(???) > in gopher://gopher.robsayers.com/0/whygopher.txt
(???)
(???) I think anything helping to encourage its hierarchical nature serves to
(???) make it more distinct, and therefore more valuable/relevant.
(IMG) t's gopher's main strength. And at the same time, it's one of the
(GIF) reatest weaknesses of the web. Some parts of the web are sometimes just
(???) big mess.
(???) Also, I'm exploring Gopher in constrained environments. On Twitter we
(???) were talking about Gopher over AX.25 and KISS packet radio links. This
(???) sounds like a terrific use for a link that is at best 9600bps and often
(???) as low as 1200bps, much like using GPRS and Overbite Android on a mobile
(???) device.
(IMG) s there any J2ME gopher client? That'd make a good use for J2ME+GPRS
(???) ell phones.
(???) > > I heard back from the SeaMonkey folks and they were happy to offer
(???) > > assistance porting OverbiteFF to SM, and it's nearly done if people want
(???) > > to give it a spin.
(???) >
(???) > I've not used Seamonkey for ages (actually, I never used it, I used the
(???) > Mozilla Suite), but maybe it's time to look at it again :-)
(???)
(???) 1522 has SeaMonkey support in it, so let me know how you like it. SM are
(???) strict embedders of Mozilla, so when they adopt Mozilla 2.0 (in SM 2.1),
(???) gopher dies there also. However, 2.1 is barely in its second alpha and there
(???) is probably a long way to go before it will even make beta.
(IMG) was hoping they could patch gecko to use a gopher-enabled engine, but
(???) hat probably does not mix well with their goals (I suppose what they
(???) ant is to pack Firefox, Thunderbird and others together, trying to keep
(???) very feature as-is).
(TN3) hinking of Mozilla Suite and Gopher reminds me of this screenshot :-)
(GIF) opher://gopher.quux.org/g/Software/Gopher/screenshots/mozilla.gif
(IMG) 'm sad I never used this, looks... interesting!
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(???) > I did find a Google Chrome request someone filed to add gopher to that.
(???) > It was pretty crisply rejected even though a lot of people joined in.
(???)
(???) I found two requests (maybe they should have been merged), 5106 and
(???) 11345
(???)
(???) http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=5106
(???) http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=11345
(???)
(???) both stamped WONTFIX.
(???)
(???) (There is also bug 30840, if people are told it's an unsupported
(???) protocol and that they need another program to browse it, it's far
(???) better than getting a google web search, no matter what is the
(???) unsupported protocol.)
(???)
(???) http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=30840
(IMG) agree. It also makes it possible for an arbitrary extension to intercept
(???) he protocol instead of relying on the trick Overbite Chrome does, which is
(???) o notice that the user is going to a search page with a gopher URL in it
(???) nd snatch control (the way the [refused] patch to that issue is written).
(???) > I think anything helping to encourage its hierarchical nature serves to
(???) > make it more distinct, and therefore more valuable/relevant.
(???)
(???) It's gopher's main strength. And at the same time, it's one of the
(???) greatest weaknesses of the web. Some parts of the web are sometimes just
(???) a big mess.
(???) ne thing I really do want to work on, however, is something I've termed
(???) reverse discoverability." Say you have a menu on host xx pointing to a
(???) erminal document like an item type 0 on host yy. You can't find out what
(???) ther documents yy has in that directory reliably, though you can guess.
(IMG) OW, you can't see the menu that the document on yy exists in, just that
(???) x links to it.
(TN3) he initial start I'm looking at is to help people used to the web construct
(???) elative analyzable paths. While selectors are ultimately opaque, there are
(???) onventions. The reflex is to turn
nto
(???) hich doesn't work, it should be item type 1. I think we can pretty much
(???) eliably conclude that any selector ending in a slash on just about any sane
(???) ilesystem means a directory, not a file, and Overbite should pop a requester
(SND) uggesting to change the item type to 1 for them. Then they learn a bit about
(???) opher, and it's easy. Similarly, the trivial case of
(???) or any itemtype other than 1) should just be automatically changed to 1.
(TN3) his doesn't handle the situation of
(???) ut I think we can agree that a priori we can't conclude what menu should
(???) e typed as. And plenty of text files have embedded tabs, so content sniffing
(???) ouldn't work. But this covers the common case.
(IMG) 'm open to ideas to making reverse discoverability possible, even if it
(???) equires a bit of server cooperation. What do you think?
(???) ventually Overbite will also put "return to root menu" XUL overlays even
(???) ver terminal documents so that you at least have that, though the pure HTML
(???) pproach right now is appealing because it's adaptable to those Mozilla
(???) rowsers that lack XUL such as Camino and K-Meleon.
(???) Is there any J2ME gopher client? That'd make a good use for J2ME+GPRS
(???) cell phones.
(TN3) here sure is! And I didn't even write it; I got contacted by somebody who
(???) eally liked the concept of Overbite Android and wrote his own for his
(???) okia E51. It's a MIDlet; it should run on anything, even a Crackberry.
(???) Thinking of Mozilla Suite and Gopher reminds me of this screenshot :-)
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.quux.org/g/Software/Gopher/screenshots/mozilla.gif
(???)
(???) I'm sad I never used this, looks... interesting!
(IMG) remember using it back in the day. My main objection to the way it worked
(???) as that it sorted selectors, which destroyed menus, and had no i itemtype.
(???) ut the tree metaphor was compelling, if unwieldy in massive menus.
(???) really futuristic interface would allow this sort of thing in 2D rather
(???) han simply an expanding vertical tree. But that might be a little too alien
(???) or a web-addled world. :)
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(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???) On google chrome handling of gopher: URLs)
(???) > (There is also bug 30840, if people are told it's an unsupported
(???) > protocol and that they need another program to browse it, it's far
(???) > better than getting a google web search, no matter what is the
(???) > unsupported protocol.)
(???) >
(???) > http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=30840
(???)
(???) I agree. It also makes it possible for an arbitrary extension to intercept
(???) the protocol instead of relying on the trick Overbite Chrome does, which is
(???) to notice that the user is going to a search page with a gopher URL in it
(???) and snatch control (the way the [refused] patch to that issue is written).
(IMG) t is weirder than I first thought, if the url is inserted in the
(???) ddress bar ("omnibox"), it does a web search, but clicking in a gopher
(???) ink in some web page does the expected thing (it asks for an external
(???) iewer).
(???) > > I think anything helping to encourage its hierarchical nature serves to
(???) > > make it more distinct, and therefore more valuable/relevant.
(???) >
(???) > It's gopher's main strength. And at the same time, it's one of the
(???) > greatest weaknesses of the web. Some parts of the web are sometimes just
(???) > a big mess.
(???)
(???) One thing I really do want to work on, however, is something I've termed
(???) "reverse discoverability." Say you have a menu on host xx pointing to a
(???) terminal document like an item type 0 on host yy. You can't find out what
(???) other documents yy has in that directory reliably, though you can guess.
(???) IOW, you can't see the menu that the document on yy exists in, just that
(???) xx links to it.
(???)
(???) The initial start I'm looking at is to help people used to the web construct
(???) relative analyzable paths. While selectors are ultimately opaque, there are
(???) conventions. The reflex is to turn
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) into
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) which doesn't work, it should be item type 1. I think we can pretty much
(???) reliably conclude that any selector ending in a slash on just about any sane
(???) filesystem means a directory, not a file, and Overbite should pop a requester
(???) suggesting to change the item type to 1 for them. Then they learn a bit about
(???) Gopher, and it's easy. Similarly, the trivial case of
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) (or any itemtype other than 1) should just be automatically changed to 1.
(???) This doesn't handle the situation of
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) but I think we can agree that a priori we can't conclude what menu should
(???) be typed as. And plenty of text files have embedded tabs, so content sniffing
(???) wouldn't work. But this covers the common case.
(???)
(???) I'm open to ideas to making reverse discoverability possible, even if it
(???) requires a bit of server cooperation. What do you think?
(???) n getting the parent menu, a problem is that there's no warranty that
(???) here are "directories" and that they're separated by slashes. But I
(???) hink a convention could be established and that trying to "go up"
(DOC) oesn't hurt (it could fail in some servers, but that wouldn't be
(???) requent (I think), and certainly not harmful (if there are no slashes,
t just gives the root URL)).
(IMG) recall some chat took place here some years ago, so I did some gmane
(SND) earching:
(HTM) ttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2332
(HTM) ttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2335
(???) ut I think a "go up" link which does this would be welcome (and useful)
n gopher clients. And, after all, the worst that might happen is
(GIF) etting to the server root.
(???) And adding "go up" links to menus is also a good thing to do, so that
(???) rowsing is easy in any client. (And I still didn't do it on all menus
n my own gophersite...))
(TN3) his would make it easier for people to move up without editing the URL,
(???) ut if they do that a warning is welcome. The best way would be adding a
(???) arning to the error message, but there is no error message - using 0
(???) ill just show the menu as text.
(???) "were you expecting a menu" link could be placed on the XUL overlay or
(???) s one of those messages that pop up at the top of the page. But I
(???) onder how to do that unobtrusively... it should at least have a "do not
(SND) how this later" option.
(???) Eventually Overbite will also put "return to root menu" XUL overlays even
(???) over terminal documents so that you at least have that, though the pure HTML
(???) approach right now is appealing because it's adaptable to those Mozilla
(???) browsers that lack XUL such as Camino and K-Meleon.
(TN3) he overlay idea looks great.
(IMG) f you're able to add HTML links to those documents, adding the link
(???) here is a good workaround. (Or are they really just plain
(???) ext/images/..., instead of a HTML with that?)
(???) > Is there any J2ME gopher client? That'd make a good use for J2ME+GPRS
(???) > cell phones.
(???)
(???) There sure is! And I didn't even write it; I got contacted by somebody who
(???) really liked the concept of Overbite Android and wrote his own for his
(???) Nokia E51. It's a MIDlet; it should run on anything, even a Crackberry.
(???)
(???)
(IMG) t may run on my phone. I'll say something if I get the chance to test
t.
(???) > Thinking of Mozilla Suite and Gopher reminds me of this screenshot :-)
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.quux.org/g/Software/Gopher/screenshots/mozilla.gif
(???) >
(???) > I'm sad I never used this, looks... interesting!
(???)
(???) I remember using it back in the day. My main objection to the way it worked
(???) was that it sorted selectors, which destroyed menus, and had no i
(???) itemtype.
(IMG) suppose it's just a XUL widget. Maybe changing the widget to support a
(SND) pecified ordering does it, and I suppose it supports childless elements
(???) could be used for i items).
(???) But the tree metaphor was compelling, if unwieldy in massive menus.
(IMG) t highlights the hierarchy :-)
(???) A really futuristic interface would allow this sort of thing in 2D rather
(???) than simply an expanding vertical tree. But that might be a little too alien
(???) for a web-addled world. :)
(???) ou mean "3D"? I must try gopherVR.
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(???) o try GopherVR, you won't be disappointed. I've vgot it running on
(???) y iMac and I'm very happy with it.
(???) n 4 August 2010 15:52, Nuno J. Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
(???) Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???)
(???) (On google chrome handling of gopher: URLs)
(???) >> (There is also bug 30840, if people are told it's an unsupported
(???) >> protocol and that they need another program to browse it, it's far
(???) >> better than getting a google web search, no matter what is the
(???) >> unsupported protocol.)
(???) >>
(???) >> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=3D30840
(???) >
(???) > I agree. It also makes it possible for an arbitrary extension to interce=
(PNG) t
(???) > the protocol instead of relying on the trick Overbite Chrome does, which=
(???) is
(???) > to notice that the user is going to a search page with a gopher URL in it
(???) > and snatch control (the way the [refused] patch to that issue is written=
(???) .
(???)
(???) It is weirder than I first thought, if the url is inserted in the
(???) address bar ("omnibox"), it does a web search, but clicking in a gopher
(???) link in some web page does the expected thing (it asks for an external
(???) viewer).
(???)
(???)
(???) >> > I think anything helping to encourage its hierarchical nature serves =
(???) o
(???) >> > make it more distinct, and therefore more valuable/relevant.
(???) >>
(???) >> It's gopher's main strength. And at the same time, it's one of the
(???) >> greatest weaknesses of the web. Some parts of the web are sometimes just
(???) >> a big mess.
(???) >
(???) > One thing I really do want to work on, however, is something I've termed
(???) > "reverse discoverability." Say you have a menu on host xx pointing to a
(???) > terminal document like an item type 0 on host yy. You can't find out what
(???) > other documents yy has in that directory reliably, though you can guess.
(???) > IOW, you can't see the menu that the document on yy exists in, just that
(???) > xx links to it.
(???) >
(???) > The initial start I'm looking at is to help people used to the web const=
(???) uct
(???) > relative analyzable paths. While selectors are ultimately opaque, there =
(???) re
(???) > conventions. The reflex is to turn
(???) >
(???) > =A0 =A0 =A0 gopher://yy/0/menu/doc.txt
(???) >
(???) > into
(???) >
(???) > =A0 =A0 =A0 gopher://yy/0/menu/
(???) >
(???) > which doesn't work, it should be item type 1. I think we can pretty much
(???) > reliably conclude that any selector ending in a slash on just about any =
(SND) ane
(???) > filesystem means a directory, not a file, and Overbite should pop a requ=
(???) ster
(???) > suggesting to change the item type to 1 for them. Then they learn a bit =
(???) bout
(???) > Gopher, and it's easy. Similarly, the trivial case of
(???) >
(???) > =A0 =A0 =A0 gopher://yy/0
(???) >
(???) > (or any itemtype other than 1) should just be automatically changed to 1.
(???) > This doesn't handle the situation of
(???) >
(???) > =A0 =A0 =A0 gopher://yy/0/menu
(???) >
(???) > but I think we can agree that a priori we can't conclude what menu should
(???) > be typed as. And plenty of text files have embedded tabs, so content sni=
(???) fing
(???) > wouldn't work. But this covers the common case.
(???) >
(???) > I'm open to ideas to making reverse discoverability possible, even if it
(???) > requires a bit of server cooperation. What do you think?
(???)
(???) On getting the parent menu, a problem is that there's no warranty that
(???) there are "directories" and that they're separated by slashes. But I
(???) think a convention could be established and that trying to "go up"
(???) doesn't hurt (it could fail in some servers, but that wouldn't be
(???) frequent (I think), and certainly not harmful (if there are no slashes,
(???) it just gives the root URL)).
(???)
(???) I recall some chat took place here some years ago, so I did some gmane
(???) searching:
(???)
(???) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2332
(???) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2335
(???)
(???) But I think a "go up" link which does this would be welcome (and useful)
(???) in gopher clients. And, after all, the worst that might happen is
(???) getting to the server root.
(???)
(???) (And adding "go up" links to menus is also a good thing to do, so that
(???) browsing is easy in any client. (And I still didn't do it on all menus
(???) in my own gophersite...))
(???)
(???) This would make it easier for people to move up without editing the URL,
(???) but if they do that a warning is welcome. The best way would be adding a
(???) warning to the error message, but there is no error message - using 0
(???) will just show the menu as text.
(???)
(???) A "were you expecting a menu" link could be placed on the XUL overlay or
(???) as one of those messages that pop up at the top of the page. But I
(???) wonder how to do that unobtrusively... it should at least have a "do not
(???) show this later" option.
(???)
(???) > Eventually Overbite will also put "return to root menu" XUL overlays even
(???) > over terminal documents so that you at least have that, though the pure =
(???) TML
(???) > approach right now is appealing because it's adaptable to those Mozilla
(???) > browsers that lack XUL such as Camino and K-Meleon.
(???)
(???) The overlay idea looks great.
(???)
(???) If you're able to add HTML links to those documents, adding the link
(???) there is a good workaround. (Or are they really just plain
(???) text/images/..., instead of a HTML with that?)
(???)
(???)
(???) >> Is there any J2ME gopher client? That'd make a good use for J2ME+GPRS
(???) >> cell phones.
(???) >
(???) > There sure is! And I didn't even write it; I got contacted by somebody w=
(HTM) o
(???) > really liked the concept of Overbite Android and wrote his own for his
(???) > Nokia E51. It's a MIDlet; it should run on anything, even a Crackberry.
(???) >
(???) > =A0 =A0 =A0 http://felix.plesoianu.ro/index.php/page:Software:PocketGoph=
(???) r
(???)
(???) It may run on my phone. I'll say something if I get the chance to test
(???) it.
(???)
(???) >> Thinking of Mozilla Suite and Gopher reminds me of this screenshot :-)
(???) >>
(???) >> gopher://gopher.quux.org/g/Software/Gopher/screenshots/mozilla.gif
(???) >>
(???) >> I'm sad I never used this, looks... interesting!
(???) >
(???) > I remember using it back in the day. My main objection to the way it wor=
(???) ed
(???) > was that it sorted selectors, which destroyed menus, and had no i
(???) > itemtype.
(???)
(???) I suppose it's just a XUL widget. Maybe changing the widget to support a
(???) specified ordering does it, and I suppose it supports childless elements
(???) (could be used for i items).
(???)
(???) > But the tree metaphor was compelling, if unwieldy in massive menus.
(???)
(???) It highlights the hierarchy :-)
(???)
(???) > A really futuristic interface would allow this sort of thing in 2D rather
(???) > than simply an expanding vertical tree. But that might be a little too a=
(???) ien
(???) > for a web-addled world. :)
(???)
(???) You mean "3D"? I must try gopherVR.
(???)
(???) --
(???) Nuno J. Silva
(???) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg
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(???) Do try GopherVR, you won't be disappointed. I've vgot it running on
(???) my iMac and I'm very happy with it.
(IMG) need to do more work on it, too. Just got so many other things soaking
(???) p my time ...
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(???) > I agree. It also makes it possible for an arbitrary extension to intercept
(???) > the protocol instead of relying on the trick Overbite Chrome does, which is
(???) > to notice that the user is going to a search page with a gopher URL in it
(???) > and snatch control (the way the [refused] patch to that issue is written).
(???)
(???) It is weirder than I first thought, if the url is inserted in the
(???) address bar ("omnibox"), it does a web search, but clicking in a gopher
(???) link in some web page does the expected thing (it asks for an external
(???) viewer).
(???) o it is. Never noticed since I went straight to writing the link rewriter
n Overbite Chrome, but yup, that's what it does. Seems a bit schizophrenic.
(???) On getting the parent menu, a problem is that there's no warranty that
(???) there are "directories" and that they're separated by slashes. But I
(???) think a convention could be established and that trying to "go up"
(???) doesn't hurt (it could fail in some servers, but that wouldn't be
(???) frequent (I think), and certainly not harmful (if there are no slashes,
(???) it just gives the root URL)).
(???)
(???) I recall some chat took place here some years ago, so I did some gmane
(???) searching:
(???)
(???) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2332
(???) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2335
(???) eah, I remember that. That's why I don't want the client doing this
(???) ind of thing for the user (yet), because getting it wrong would be
(???) eally bad and potentially leave the user in an unnavigable state. Most
(???) f the time it would work, but I don't want gopherspace restricted to
(???) nix pathnames. After all, userserve.ucsd.edu (RIP) was an SE/30 using
(???) -based Mac paths, and JumpJet was Windows using \es. There was even a
(???) MS server or two for awhile.
(???) ut if the user themselves tries to analyse the path and alter it, I
(???) hink I should help them, unless people strongly object to this behaviour.
(???) hat would be an interesting thought is a way for the server itself to
(???) ell the client about its capabilities. I'd fantasized about a special
(SND) elector caps (or /caps, or 0/caps, etc.) that could have, say, key=value
(PNG) airs telling the client about the server.
(???) APS
(???) ocation=Yo mama
(???) athDelimeter=/
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(TN3) hen, knowing how it can divide by path, it could even offer an entire
(???) readcrumb menu. If it couldn't get the caps, then it would just offer a
(???) oot menu. That could maybe go in an XUL status bar.
(???) A "were you expecting a menu" link could be placed on the XUL overlay or
(???) as one of those messages that pop up at the top of the page. But I
(???) wonder how to do that unobtrusively... it should at least have a "do not
(???) show this later" option.
(TN3) hat's also a thought, perhaps have the bar briefly show an alert.
(???) > Eventually Overbite will also put "return to root menu" XUL overlays even
(???) > over terminal documents so that you at least have that, though the pure HTML
(???) > approach right now is appealing because it's adaptable to those Mozilla
(???) > browsers that lack XUL such as Camino and K-Meleon.
(???)
(???) The overlay idea looks great.
(???)
(???) If you're able to add HTML links to those documents, adding the link
(???) there is a good workaround. (Or are they really just plain
(???) text/images/..., instead of a HTML with that?)
(???) o, it's real text. I was disgusted by the original Mozilla conversion into
(???) ext/html, I never liked that. So this is flat text/plain as God and possibly
(???) ark McCahill intended.
(???) > There sure is! And I didn't even write it; I got contacted by somebody who
(???) > really liked the concept of Overbite Android and wrote his own for his
(???) > Nokia E51. It's a MIDlet; it should run on anything, even a Crackberry.
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???) It may run on my phone. I'll say something if I get the chance to test
(???) it.
(IMG) would love to hear if it worked.
(???) > A really futuristic interface would allow this sort of thing in 2D rather
(???) > than simply an expanding vertical tree. But that might be a little too alien
(???) > for a web-addled world. :)
(???)
(???) You mean "3D"? I must try gopherVR.
(???) ell, no. GopherVR actually is pretty obvious when you use it, and it's
(SND) ingle menu per scene. The metaphor is, despite the concept, really not all
(???) hat outlandish in practice. (I do need to fix how i itemtype causes it to
(SND) pread the objects out everywhere; it makes V-2 searches nearly impossible
(???) o navigate.)
(???) hen I mean a 2D interface, I mean one where the menus start sprawling out
(???) ver a vast, "infinite" plane, allowing crosslinkages to be shown and the
(???) lient window being essentially a window on a much larger scrolling workspace.
(???) ut like I say, this would probably weird a lot of people out even though it
(???) ould really make the hierarchy come alive.
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(???) elax, Dr Kaiser, GopherVR works just fine, but I'd use a different
(???) ase gopher client.
(???) n 4 August 2010 21:11, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > Do try GopherVR, you won't be disappointed. =A0I've vgot it running on
(???) > my iMac and I'm very happy with it.
(???)
(???) I need to do more work on it, too. Just got so many other things soaking
(???) up my time ...
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(???) ubject: [gopher] New release of Digger Dwarf!
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(???) ello,
(IMG) 'm happy to announce that I released today a new version of Digger Dwarf -=
(???) my simple console-based gopher client for Linux and Windows!
(???) hat's new in Digger Dwarf v0.83:
(???) - Added a (very simple) HTML parser/viewer for HTML files,
(???) - Added an internal DNS cache,
(???) - Before quitting DDwarf, the user is asked to confirm,
(???) - The whole program is not aborted brutally anymore in case of DNS failure,
(???) - Added support for proxies (using the HTTP CONNECT method),
(???) - In case of a network error, DDwarf prints out the last visited site at e=
(???) it,
(???) - Optimized program parameters parsing (the URL do not have to be the firs=
(???) parameter anymore).
(TN3) he Digger Dwarf gopher client is available at following addresses:
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/projects/ddwarf/
(HTM) ttp://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/software/ddwarf/
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) ou'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pu=
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(???) I'm happy to announce that I released today a new version of Digger Dwarf -
(???) my simple console-based gopher client for Linux and Windows!
(???) xcellent!
(IMG) should try porting it to Mac OS X. Bet it would build just fine.
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(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???) > On getting the parent menu, a problem is that there's no warranty that
(???) > there are "directories" and that they're separated by slashes. But I
(???) > think a convention could be established and that trying to "go up"
(???) > doesn't hurt (it could fail in some servers, but that wouldn't be
(???) > frequent (I think), and certainly not harmful (if there are no slashes,
(???) > it just gives the root URL)).
(???) >
(???) > I recall some chat took place here some years ago, so I did some gmane
(???) > searching:
(???) >
(???) > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2332
(???) > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2335
(???)
(???) Yeah, I remember that. That's why I don't want the client doing this
(???) kind of thing for the user (yet), because getting it wrong would be
(???) really bad and potentially leave the user in an unnavigable state. Most
(???) of the time it would work, but I don't want gopherspace restricted to
(???) Unix pathnames. After all, userserve.ucsd.edu (RIP) was an SE/30 using
(???) :-based Mac paths, and JumpJet was Windows using \es. There was even a
(???) VMS server or two for awhile.
(???) hat did it use? Dots? Or dots *and* a different path scheme? (According
(???) o wikipedia, it seems that it's not like an unified file system and
(???) hat the file name is separated from the parent directory path,
(HTM) ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_%28computing%29 )
(???) But if the user themselves tries to analyse the path and alter it, I
(???) think I should help them, unless people strongly object to this behaviour.
(???)
(???) What would be an interesting thought is a way for the server itself to
(???) tell the client about its capabilities. I'd fantasized about a special
(???) selector caps (or /caps, or 0/caps, etc.) that could have, say, key=value
(???) pairs telling the client about the server.
(???)
(???) CAPS
(???) Location=Yo mama
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(TN3) his would be useful, not only for path separators, but also for other
(???) nhancements. But I think this should be a long-term goal, it needs some
(???) rainstorming - should we really make it so that acessing a resource
(???) equires fetching two selectors? On the other hand, it's easier than
(???) hanging the server software (instead of coding /caps, one can write a
(???) ile with that name).
(???) Then, knowing how it can divide by path, it could even offer an entire
(???) breadcrumb menu. If it couldn't get the caps, then it would just offer a
(???) root menu. That could maybe go in an XUL status bar.
(???) > > There sure is! And I didn't even write it; I got contacted by somebody who
(???) > > really liked the concept of Overbite Android and wrote his own for his
(???) > > Nokia E51. It's a MIDlet; it should run on anything, even a Crackberry.
(???) > >
(???) > >
(???) >
(???) > It may run on my phone. I'll say something if I get the chance to test
(???) > it.
(???)
(???) I would love to hear if it worked.
(IMG) t will take some time, I'm still looking for a way to install
(???) pplications that does not involve a web download (it does bluetooth, it
(???) ust refuses to exchange .JARs over it).
(???) eanwhile, I will look for an emulator so that I can at least play with
(???) he code.
(???) > > A really futuristic interface would allow this sort of thing in 2D rather
(???) > > than simply an expanding vertical tree. But that might be a little too alien
(???) > > for a web-addled world. :)
(???) >
(???) > You mean "3D"? I must try gopherVR.
(???)
(???) Well, no. GopherVR actually is pretty obvious when you use it, and it's
(???) single menu per scene. The metaphor is, despite the concept, really not all
(???) that outlandish in practice. (I do need to fix how i itemtype causes it to
(???) spread the objects out everywhere; it makes V-2 searches nearly impossible
(???) to navigate.)
(???)
(???) When I mean a 2D interface, I mean one where the menus start sprawling out
(???) over a vast, "infinite" plane, allowing crosslinkages to be shown and the
(???) client window being essentially a window on a much larger scrolling workspace.
(???) But like I say, this would probably weird a lot of people out even though it
(???) would really make the hierarchy come alive.
(???) ne of such interfaces could be a graph, like this one (for the web)
(HTM) ttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/WorldWideWebAroundWikipedia.png
(TN3) his really highlights hyperlinking, the (IMHO) main feature of both the
(???) eb and the gopherspace.
(???) -
(???) uno J. Silva
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(???) ello!
(???) ust a quick note here to announce that I published a new little game on th=
(???) gopherspace today.
(IMG) t's called Tic-tac-GOPHER!, and it's obviously a tic-tac-toe game ;)
(???) njoy!
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/OnlineTools/tictacgopher.cgi
(???) est regards,
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(???) hat's awesome, but if you play your winning move and the computer
(PNG) lays his winning move in back to back turns it says the computer won.
(???) ot you :)
(???) n Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) Hello!
(???)
(???) Just a quick note here to announce that I published a new little game on the gopherspace today.
(???)
(???) It's called Tic-tac-GOPHER!, and it's obviously a tic-tac-toe game ;)
(???)
(???) Enjoy!
(???) gopher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/OnlineTools/tictacgopher.cgi
(???)
(???) Best regards,
(???) Mateusz Viste
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(???) ometimes... I played again until that occurred again and the second
(???) ime it said i won.. silly tic tac toe :D
(???) n Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Matthew Holevinski <eylusion@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) that's awesome, but if you play your winning move and the computer
(???) plays his winning move in back to back turns it says the computer won.
(???) not you :)
(???)
(???) On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) > Hello!
(???) >
(???) > Just a quick note here to announce that I published a new little game on the gopherspace today.
(???) >
(???) > It's called Tic-tac-GOPHER!, and it's obviously a tic-tac-toe game ;)
(???) >
(???) > Enjoy!
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/OnlineTools/tictacgopher.cgi
(???) >
(???) > Best regards,
(???) > Mateusz Viste
(???) > --
(???) > You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key
(???) >
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(???) >
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(???) > > I recall some chat took place here some years ago, so I did some gmane
(???) > > searching:
(???) > >
(???) > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2332
(???) > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/2335
(???) >
(???) > Yeah, I remember that. That's why I don't want the client doing this
(???) > kind of thing for the user (yet), because getting it wrong would be
(???) > really bad and potentially leave the user in an unnavigable state. Most
(???) > of the time it would work, but I don't want gopherspace restricted to
(???) > Unix pathnames. After all, userserve.ucsd.edu (RIP) was an SE/30 using
(???) > :-based Mac paths, and JumpJet was Windows using \es. There was even a
(???) > VMS server or two for awhile.
(???)
(???) What did it use? Dots? Or dots *and* a different path scheme? (According
(???) to wikipedia, it seems that it's not like an unified file system and
(???) that the file name is separated from the parent directory path,
(???) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_%28computing%29 )
(???) s I recall it looked something like
(???) hich if my rusty VMS recollection serves me is roughly the same as a
(SND) tandard Files-11 filespec.
(???) > What would be an interesting thought is a way for the server itself to
(???) > tell the client about its capabilities. I'd fantasized about a special
(???) > selector caps (or /caps, or 0/caps, etc.) that could have, say, key=value
(???) > pairs telling the client about the server.
(???) >
(???) > CAPS
(???) > Location=Yo mama
(???) > PathDelimeter=/
(???) > ServerSoftware=A snotty guy named Frank
(???)
(???) This would be useful, not only for path separators, but also for other
(???) enhancements. But I think this should be a long-term goal, it needs some
(???) brainstorming - should we really make it so that acessing a resource
(???) requires fetching two selectors? On the other hand, it's easier than
(???) changing the server software (instead of coding /caps, one can write a
(???) file with that name).
(???) aps would be optional to implement and fetch -- all it would do is add. If
(???) aps were never accessed, a client would work just fine. I'm imagining caps
(???) s a pseudo-selector to store server information that is cacheable and not
(???) ikely to change, so that a client that wanted that information could simply
(???) ache it. And, yes, rather than being server generated, /caps could just be
(???) iterally a file named caps (although I would probably implement it as a
(SND) erver-provided selector in Bucktooth).
(???) ike I say, I envision people storing general information about the server
(SND) uch as its location, a description, the server software (if desired), etc.,
(???) nd the path delimeter would be logically placed there as well. A client
(???) ould come along, fetch a file, and try to fetch the caps as well. It should
(???) ache success or failure, and invalidate its cache after some period of time.
(???) ut a client that didn't know anything about caps would still work, and the
(SND) erver doesn't have to be aware of caps either.
(IMG) can't really think of a downside to it, but beat away on it :)
(???) It will take some time, I'm still looking for a way to install
(???) applications that does not involve a web download (it does bluetooth, it
(???) just refuses to exchange .JARs over it).
(???)
(???) Meanwhile, I will look for an emulator so that I can at least play with
(???) the code.
(TN3) here are a number of MIDlet emulators out there, I think. I just run it
(DOC) irectly on my Android phone using Netmite.
(???) One of such interfaces could be a graph, like this one (for the web)
(???)
(???) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/WorldWideWebAroundWikipedia.png
(???)
(???) This really highlights hyperlinking, the (IMHO) main feature of both the
(???) web and the gopherspace.
(???) omething like that, although laid out in such a way that things weren't
(???) verlaying other things. But it's more a pipe dream than anything serious :)
(???) -
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(???) n Saturday 07 August 2010 22:14 (CEST), Matthew Holevinski wrote:
(???) that's awesome, but if you play your winning move and the computer
(???) plays his winning move in back to back turns it says the computer won.
(???) not you :)
(IMG) see - indeed there was a flaw in the playing logic... Who would think tha=
(???) even such trivial program can be written with a bug? :-P
(IMG) t's fixed now.
(TN3) hanks for your feedback!
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste-family.net> =
(???) rote:
(???) > Hello!
(???) >
(???) > Just a quick note here to announce that I published a new little game o=
(???) the gopherspace today.
(???) >
(???) > It's called Tic-tac-GOPHER!, and it's obviously a tic-tac-toe game ;)
(???) >
(???) > Enjoy!
(???) > gopher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/OnlineTools/tictacgopher.cgi
(???) >
(???) > Best regards,
(???) > Mateusz Viste
(???) 2D-=20
(???) ou'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pu=
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(???) wesome game!
(???) n Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) On Saturday 07 August 2010 22:14 (CEST), Matthew Holevinski wrote:
(???) > that's awesome, but if you play your winning move and the computer
(???) > plays his winning move in back to back turns it says the computer won.
(???) > not you :)
(???)
(???) I see - indeed there was a flaw in the playing logic... Who would think that even such trivial program can be written with a bug? :-P
(???) It's fixed now.
(???)
(???) Thanks for your feedback!
(???) Mateusz Viste
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) > > Hello!
(???) > >
(???) > > Just a quick note here to announce that I published a new little game on the gopherspace today.
(???) > >
(???) > > It's called Tic-tac-GOPHER!, and it's obviously a tic-tac-toe game ;)
(???) > >
(???) > > Enjoy!
(???) > > gopher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/OnlineTools/tictacgopher.cgi
(???) > >
(???) > > Best regards,
(???) > > Mateusz Viste
(???) --
(???) You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Where does pygopherd put its output form an ask + block
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Overbite 2.0.1522
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org
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(???) i folks,
(IMG) am very pleased to announce that http://torrent.ibiblio.org is now
(HTM) osting the Gopher torrents, and is permaseeding them. This includes
(???) oth the 2007 spider copy and my earlier quux.org mirror collection.
(TN3) he links are:
(HTM) ttp://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/181
(???) nd
(HTM) ttp://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/182
(IMG) 'm very pleased to finally have an institutional home for the data.
(???) - John
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org
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(???) I am very pleased to announce that http://torrent.ibiblio.org is now
(???) hosting the Gopher torrents, and is permaseeding them. This includes
(???) both the 2007 spider copy and my earlier quux.org mirror collection.
(???) ell done!
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Clients, capabilities and discoverability
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(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???) ...]
(???) As I recall it looked something like
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) which if my rusty VMS recollection serves me is roughly the same as a
(???) standard Files-11 filespec.
(???) o on the VMS case it's not just about knowing the separator, but also
(???) he format. In that path, looking for the rightmost dot would lead us to
(???) rowse
(???) [GOPHER$SOMETHING.SOMETHING.SOMETHING]THEFILE
(???) hich still points to a file.
(???) ut if the meaning of separator is to remove everything at the right of
(???) he rightmost separator character (keeping it there), saying the
(SND) eparator is "]" would work.
(???) > It will take some time, I'm still looking for a way to install
(???) > applications that does not involve a web download (it does bluetooth, it
(???) > just refuses to exchange .JARs over it).
(???) >
(???) > Meanwhile, I will look for an emulator so that I can at least play with
(???) > the code.
(???)
(???) There are a number of MIDlet emulators out there, I think. I just run it
(???) directly on my Android phone using Netmite.
(???) till no progress, but I'll try installing the Oracle/Sun tools. (I just
(HTM) ope that the tools (a 32-bit binary package) don't clash with the 64
(???) its JRE...) That should allow me to compile J2ME code, and I think it
(???) lso has an emulator.
(???) > One of such interfaces could be a graph, like this one (for the web)
(???) >
(???) > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/WorldWideWebAroundWikipedia.png
(???) >
(???) > This really highlights hyperlinking, the (IMHO) main feature of both the
(???) > web and the gopherspace.
(???)
(???) Something like that, although laid out in such a way that things weren't
(???) overlaying other things. But it's more a pipe dream than anything
(???) serious :)
(???) ut still a good thing to seek. But it will require some work.
(???) eanwhile, I'm tempted to find a way to present menus as tress in
(???) irefox. I'd try generating a XUL file instead of a HTML one (as
(???) verbite does). Provided that it works, I would just need to change the
(???) TML generation code at components/protocol.js so that it generates
(???) UL. (And then I wonder how easy will it be to provide javascript code
(???) o make the menu do something...)
(???) -
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Clients, capabilities and discoverability
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(???) unojsilva@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) writes:
(???) Meanwhile, I'm tempted to find a way to present menus as tress in
(???) Firefox. I'd try generating a XUL file instead of a HTML one (as
(???) Overbite does). Provided that it works, I would just need to change the
(???) HTML generation code at components/protocol.js so that it generates
(???) XUL. (And then I wonder how easy will it be to provide javascript code
(???) to make the menu do something...)
(???) ut of course then I realized that even if this works it will be useless
(???) the main goal is using several menus to build the same tree, which
(???) ould not be possible if the tree is rewritten from scratch every time a
(???) enu is parsed.
(TN3) his means I'm not yet sure how to do it. Fetching a menu from another
(???) enu will involve fetching it and parsing it to return some structure to
(???) he original menu, so that it incorporates the new menu as a subtree.
(???) -
(???) uno J. Silva
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(TN3) hanks.
(PHO) 010/8/11 John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) Hi folks,
(???)
(???) I am very pleased to announce that http://torrent.ibiblio.org is now
(???) hosting the Gopher torrents, and is permaseeding them. This includes both
(???) the 2007 spider copy and my earlier quux.org mirror collection.
(???)
(???) The links are:
(???)
(???) http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/181
(???)
(???) and
(???)
(???) http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/182
(???)
(???) I'm very pleased to finally have an institutional home for the data.
(???)
(???) -- John
(???)
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(TN3) hanks.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/8/11 John Goerzen <span dir=
(???) 3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org">jgoerzen@complete.org=
(???) /a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0=
(PNG) t 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;=
(???) >
(???) i folks,<br>
(???) br>
(IMG) am very pleased to announce that <a href=3D"http://torrent.ibiblio.org" t=
(???) rget=3D"_blank">http://torrent.ibiblio.org</a> is now hosting the Gopher t=
(???) rrents, and is permaseeding them. =A0This includes both the 2007 spider co=
(PNG) y and my earlier <a href=3D"http://quux.org" target=3D"_blank">quux.org</a=
(???) mirror collection.<br>
(???) br>
(TN3) he links are:<br>
(???) br>
(???) a href=3D"http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/181" target=3D"_blank">http://tor=
(???) ent.ibiblio.org/doc/181</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) nd<br>
(???) br>
(???) a href=3D"http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/182" target=3D"_blank">http://tor=
(???) ent.ibiblio.org/doc/182</a><br>
(???) br>
(IMG) 'm very pleased to finally have an institutional home for the data.<br=
(???) <font color=3D"#888888">
(???) br>
(???) - John</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
(???) br>
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Clients, capabilities and discoverability
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(???) So on the VMS case it's not just about knowing the separator, but also
(???) the format. In that path, looking for the rightmost dot would lead us to
(???) browse
(???)
(???) [GOPHER$SOMETHING.SOMETHING.SOMETHING]THEFILE
(???)
(???) which still points to a file.
(???)
(???) But if the meaning of separator is to remove everything at the right of
(???) the rightmost separator character (keeping it there), saying the
(???) separator is "]" would work.
(???) ell, no, it would be needed to breadcrumb it -- the idea being that not
(???) nly could the most immediate menu be analyzed, but the entire selector,
(SND) o that
(???) ould be seen as
(???) nd anything up the chain be selectable as a menu. The VMS selector probably
sn't analysable in such a manner simplistically, chiefly because I don't think
(???) ould have been valid as a selector (but I really don't know). The way out
s not to advertise a PathDelimiter and the client simply does not analyse
(???) he selector, presenting it as
(???) s it does now, effectively. And that's what would certainly happen should
(???) hat or any other VMS server raise from the dead, since they would have no
(???) aps file.
(???) Meanwhile, I'm tempted to find a way to present menus as tress in
(???) Firefox. I'd try generating a XUL file instead of a HTML one (as
(???) Overbite does). Provided that it works, I would just need to change the
(???) HTML generation code at components/protocol.js so that it generates
(???) XUL. (And then I wonder how easy will it be to provide javascript code
(???) to make the menu do something...)
(???) ou could do that, but you would need to have a more complex relationship
(???) etween content level scripts and the chrome protocol object. OverbiteFF
(???) lready does content embedding of a sort with inline view (it calls itself
(???) o display content within <div>s and <iframe>s). The same thing could apply
(???) o an XUL view, except that the scripts handling interface would embed what
(???) hey get back from the protocol object into itself. To wit, the interface
s a tabula rasa consisting simply of the blank page and base menu. The menu
(HTM) andler emits links with onClick handlers calling the content scripts to
nsert content in their place (i.e., the menu you clicked on, "opening" the
(???) older and inserting the menu). There is no sense of document in such an
nterface, just a single window that expands infinitely limited only by
(???) emory. The inline view system is just a very limited subset of this idea.
(???) or that matter, you could still do it in HTML.
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(???) verbiteFF works fine with Firefox 4.0 beta 3, and the XPI on both AMO and
(???) he main page is updated to reflect that (this change will be propagated
(???) o AMO in a couple hours). There is no change in build number.
(???) lso, I am delighted to state that I finished patches for putting gopher
(PNG) rotocol support back into cURL. I'm waiting for an approval from Daniel.
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(???) ello, world!
(IMG) 've been lurking this list for a good while now, appreciating the
(???) ostalgia of Gopher as well as its relevance today, which, given the
(???) rend towards speed at the (not altogether great) expense of
(???) ultimedia in mobile business applications, could be not at all
nsignificant. I've always felt that Gopher is not the dead ancestor
(???) o the World Wide Web, but is a sister technology, just as FTP, IMAP,
(???) nd NNTP are.
(???) or a few years, I have been into Gopher as more-or-less a fast, lean
(???) epresentation of trends and news, as well as an archive medium and
(???) ther interesting, unconventional uses of this hypertextual,
(HTM) ierarchic medium. I have always been interested in the
(???) ess-travelled paths, at least in the world of commerce (in the broad
(SND) ense---I do not mean business administration, but simply the act of
(PNG) urveying solutions and services). For instance, I am fascinated by
(???) he Unix operating system, and use it daily at work and at school;
(???) lthough consumers see only Windows, they remain blissfully unaware of
(???) he Real Operating Systems like AIX, HP/UX, and OpenVMS.
(IMG) like to see the whole picture, including what transpires behind the
(SND) cenes; therefore, I have always been aware of these systems, and have
(???) particular soft spot for AIX, which I run at home.
(???) owever, these systems are fronted by large corporations, so it is
(???) nly fair that potential clients know about these systems and the
(???) lternatives (including Microsoft Windows--ick!). Sadly, Gopher, as
(???) n open technology, has no such corporate advocacy group, and it is
mpossible to bring corporate attention to it, despite there being
(???) any uses for it: the first being online news, and the second being
(PNG) hlogging (sounds like something the Royal Navy does to disobedient
(SND) eamen).
(IMG) 've enjoyed the ride, gang. I was with you when the news hit that
(???) irefox would lose Gopher support. This was a tremendous blow---the
(GIF) reat majority of users will not install a plug-in merely to browse a
(HTM) andful of sites catering mainly to hobbyists. It's the
(???) ork-to-reward ratio, I guess. If something comes with the kitchen
(SND) ink, users will be drawn to experiment with it; however, if the
(???) itchen sink is detached, only a few people will make an effort to
(???) ttach it.
(TN3) hat said, I am not a great fan of Firefox, Overbite or no Overbite,
(???) hen it comes to browsing Gopherspace. I can honestly say that my
(???) avourite Gopher, which is guaranteed to be found on every UNIX
nstallation, is Lynx (renders pages in 5 seconds or less). Yes,
(???) hat's right, Lynx, which is older than me (no big surprise there, I
(???) se TECO as my primary editor) is the Gopher client that I can depend
(???) n 100%. If I'm using one of the more modern Linux distros, I will
(???) sually download and install GopherVR. At this point, I have got to
(???) hank Dr Kaiser for maintaining this excellent piece of work, and I
(HTM) ope he gets any bugs worked out to really make this software shine.
(TN3) hanks, Doc, I'm behind you all the way. More thanks to Dr Kaiser for
(TN3) TYtter, which is the only way I ever twitter aside from my
(???) rackBerry, and for Overbite Android.
(???) y point being? That's for you to figure out.
(???) ours in support,
(???) ick Matavka.
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(???) I like to see the whole picture, including what transpires behind the
(???) scenes; therefore, I have always been aware of these systems, and have
(???) a particular soft spot for AIX, which I run at home.
(???) hat do you run it on? I'm currently using a heavily modified AIX 4 running
(???) n an Apple Network Server, although I've got my pennies saved for a POWER7.
(???) hen that comes out, I'll be merging the ANS and the 7300 back into one
(SND) ystem and gopher.floodgap.com will be a lot faster.
(???) I've enjoyed the ride, gang. I was with you when the news hit that
(???) Firefox would lose Gopher support. This was a tremendous blow---the
(???) great majority of users will not install a plug-in merely to browse a
(???) handful of sites catering mainly to hobbyists. It's the
(???) work-to-reward ratio, I guess. If something comes with the kitchen
(???) sink, users will be drawn to experiment with it; however, if the
(???) kitchen sink is detached, only a few people will make an effort to
(???) attach it.
(IMG) 'm still hoping, and I verified that the patch did not bitrot with
(???) ug 572000, that Mozilla will adopt that patch so that at least the
(???) urious will have some lead-in. But unfortunately such a move was
nevitable, no matter how ill advised. I'm glad that we still managed
(???) o hold the fort for several years or Gopher might have left with Firefox
(PHO) .
(???) That said, I am not a great fan of Firefox, Overbite or no Overbite,
(???) when it comes to browsing Gopherspace. I can honestly say that my
(???) favourite Gopher, which is guaranteed to be found on every UNIX
(???) installation, is Lynx (renders pages in 5 seconds or less). Yes,
(???) that's right, Lynx, which is older than me (no big surprise there, I
(???) use TECO as my primary editor) is the Gopher client that I can depend
(???) on 100%. If I'm using one of the more modern Linux distros, I will
(???) usually download and install GopherVR. At this point, I have got to
(???) thank Dr Kaiser for maintaining this excellent piece of work, and I
(???) hope he gets any bugs worked out to really make this software shine.
(???) Thanks, Doc, I'm behind you all the way. More thanks to Dr Kaiser for
(???) TTYtter, which is the only way I ever twitter aside from my
(???) CrackBerry, and for Overbite Android.
(???) ey, thanks! Look for TTYtter 1.2 to start entering the public beta after
(???) he OAuth transition concludes (I'm holding 1.1 in active status to bang
(???) ut fixes quickly as more people are forced into it).
(TN3) he biggest change to be made to GopherVR 0.5 will be fixing the way it
(HTM) andles i itemtype. It may simply be just to turn it off (and display it
(???) nly in the menu). I also need to add SOCKS proxy support to libgopher.
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(???) n 08/12/2010 07:50 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Hey, thanks! Look for TTYtter 1.2 to start entering the public beta after
(???) the OAuth transition concludes (I'm holding 1.1 in active status to bang
(???) out fixes quickly as more people are forced into it).
(???) idn't know you had also written a twitter client.
(HTM) ttp://software.complete.org/twidge FWIW.
(???) dd that both of us wrote Gopher servers, and now Twitter clients...
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(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???)
(???) Odd that both of us wrote Gopher servers, and now Twitter clients...
(TN3) hat's the funniest thing I'll hear this week. Long time lurker, first
(???) ime responder here also.
(???) ameron, I assume you're aware that sdf.org is running TTytter on their
(SND) hell accounts? TTYtter is what actually made me pay attention to
(TN3) witter in the first place as I'd dismissed it originally, a sign of
mpending codgerness.
(???) TW, I run bucktooth on my netbook as a way to browse text files that I
(???) eference frequently. It takes far less resources than the native file
(???) rowser.
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(???) Cameron, I assume you're aware that sdf.org is running TTytter on their
(???) shell accounts?
(???) ighly aware, since I maintain it for smj :)
(???) BTW, I run bucktooth on my netbook as a way to browse text files that I
(???) reference frequently. It takes far less resources than the native file
(???) browser.
(???) ow that's an intriguing application. Makes me wonder about packaging it
(???) p for such a purpose in a start-stop container.
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(???) ameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Highly aware, since I maintain it for smj :)
(IMG) figured but I try not to assume anything. I just paid my lifetime fee
(???) o the Fortress.
(???) Now that's an intriguing application. Makes me wonder about packaging it
(???) up for such a purpose in a start-stop container.
(IMG) have every faith that you could whip it up in your lunch hour. : )
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(???) > Now that's an intriguing application. Makes me wonder about packaging it
(???) > up for such a purpose in a start-stop container.
(???)
(???) I have every faith that you could whip it up in your lunch hour. : )
(IMG) 'm interested in how it fits into your workflow, though. Is it just that
(???) ou have a browser of some other sort running at the same time? What do you
(???) se to browse the gopher mount?
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(IMG) run AIX on two systems: an RS6K and a Power7.
(???) egarding removing the i itemtype from "Gopherhenge", that would be my
(PNG) referred course of action as well.
(???) ersonally, Dr Kaiser, how do you browse Gopher? As I said, I like Lynx.
(???) n 12 August 2010 08:50, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > I like to see the whole picture, including what transpires behind the
(???) > scenes; therefore, I have always been aware of these systems, and have
(???) > a particular soft spot for AIX, which I run at home.
(???)
(???) What do you run it on? I'm currently using a heavily modified AIX 4 runni=
(???) g
(???) on an Apple Network Server, although I've got my pennies saved for a POWE=
(???) 7.
(???) When that comes out, I'll be merging the ANS and the 7300 back into one
(???) system and gopher.floodgap.com will be a lot faster.
(???)
(???) > I've enjoyed the ride, gang. =A0I was with you when the news hit that
(???) > Firefox would lose Gopher support. =A0This was a tremendous blow---the
(???) > great majority of users will not install a plug-in merely to browse a
(???) > handful of sites catering mainly to hobbyists. =A0It's the
(???) > work-to-reward ratio, I guess. =A0If something comes with the kitchen
(???) > sink, users will be drawn to experiment with it; however, if the
(???) > kitchen sink is detached, only a few people will make an effort to
(???) > attach it.
(???)
(???) I'm still hoping, and I verified that the patch did not bitrot with
(???) bug 572000, that Mozilla will adopt that patch so that at least the
(???) curious will have some lead-in. But unfortunately such a move was
(???) inevitable, no matter how ill advised. I'm glad that we still managed
(???) to hold the fort for several years or Gopher might have left with Firefox
(???) 2.
(???)
(???) > That said, I am not a great fan of Firefox, Overbite or no Overbite,
(???) > when it comes to browsing Gopherspace. =A0I can honestly say that my
(???) > favourite Gopher, which is guaranteed to be found on every UNIX
(???) > installation, is Lynx (renders pages in 5 seconds or less). =A0Yes,
(???) > that's right, Lynx, which is older than me (no big surprise there, I
(???) > use TECO as my primary editor) is the Gopher client that I can depend
(???) > on 100%. =A0If I'm using one of the more modern Linux distros, I will
(???) > usually download and install GopherVR. =A0At this point, I have got to
(???) > thank Dr Kaiser for maintaining this excellent piece of work, and I
(???) > hope he gets any bugs worked out to really make this software shine.
(???) > Thanks, Doc, I'm behind you all the way. =A0More thanks to Dr Kaiser for
(???) > TTYtter, which is the only way I ever twitter aside from my
(???) > CrackBerry, and for Overbite Android.
(???)
(???) Hey, thanks! Look for TTYtter 1.2 to start entering the public beta after
(???) the OAuth transition concludes (I'm holding 1.1 in active status to bang
(???) out fixes quickly as more people are forced into it).
(???)
(???) The biggest change to be made to GopherVR 0.5 will be fixing the way it
(???) handles i itemtype. It may simply be just to turn it off (and display it
(???) only in the menu). I also need to add SOCKS proxy support to libgopher.
(???)
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(???) I run AIX on two systems: an RS6K and a Power7.
(???) oh. Which RS6K?
(???) Regarding removing the i itemtype from "Gopherhenge", that would be my
(???) preferred course of action as well.
(IMG) 'll probably add an internal option for restoring them, but the default
(???) ill be to show them only in the text menu (where it makes the most sense
(???) o do so).
(???) Personally, Dr Kaiser, how do you browse Gopher? As I said, I like Lynx.
(???) ou can call me Cameron :-P I use Camino or Classilla when I'm on a Mac
(???) both Mozilla-based browsers), or Firefox with Overbite when I'm on a PC.
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(???) owdy.
(IMG) 've just installed a VPN and FTP server on my phone for remote access
(???) rom my PC or the office. I thought it would be even handier to have a
(PNG) ublic/private Gopher server. Anyone tinkering on that idea yet?
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(???) I've just installed a VPN and FTP server on my phone for remote access
(???) from my PC or the office. I thought it would be even handier to have a
(???) public/private Gopher server. Anyone tinkering on that idea yet?
(TN3) hat sounds like a smashing idea, once I get done with a releasable form
(???) f Overbite Android.
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(???) ello, world!
(IMG) know this is a Gopher mailing list, but I know that there are some
(???) udding developers among you. Recently, I have rescued some software
(???) rom the bit bucket, and I am asking, if it is not too much, if there
(???) re any among you interested in bringing a great old editor back to
(???) he forefront.
(IMG) am talking about TECO: the famously cryptic Text Editor and
(???) orrector, now made far less cryptic due to the addition of a GUI. If
(???) ou have ever done any amount of work on HP or DEC minis, you must
(???) now what I'm talking about. If not, here's a quick rundown:
(TN3) ECO was the first-ever programmer's editor to be written, in the
(???) radition of vi and emacs. In fact, emacs is a direct descendant of
(TN3) ECO, having originally been called Editor Macros. It is included as
(SND) ystem standard on all manner of VAXen and PDP-10s. Its one main
(DOC) rawback was that the buffer of text that was being worked on was not
(???) isible except on-demand, and one could completely mangle a document
(???) ith just a few keystrokes, until someone managed to write a version
(???) f TECO that displayed the text buffer all the time.
(???) ideo TECO is an attempt to re-create this great old editor in a
(???) ersion that any Tom, Dick, or Harry would understand. It was written
(???) y Paul Cantrell ten years ago; the files had been lost, until I
(DOC) iscovered a snapshot of the source hiding in my e-mail inbox. I've
(???) ven found a patch to make it run on Linux. So I've re-released it
(???) nder the Sleepycat Licence, and I am currently enlisting developers
(???) o help me add new features and squash bugs.
(IMG) 've got plenty of documentation from DEC and HP as to how to work
(???) his editor; I've been using it for quite a while in its old version,
(???) nd would surely appreciate video TECO. A version of video TECO
(???) lready exists on VAX, and it is only by luck that I managed to find
(???) his version for PC.
(IMG) have just put the files on SourceForge, and they are available at:
(HTM) ttps://sourceforge.net/projects/newteco/. Please assist me in this
(GIF) reat endeavour.
(???) ordially,
(???) ick Matavka.
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(???) n 08/13/2010 01:37 AM, N. Theodore Matavka wrote:
(???) I've got plenty of documentation from DEC and HP as to how to work
(???) this editor; I've been using it for quite a while in its old version,
(???) and would surely appreciate video TECO. A version of video TECO
(???) already exists on VAX, and it is only by luck that I managed to find
(???) this version for PC.
(???) weet. Are there screenshots or docs available?
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] OT: Anyone interested in text editor programming?
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(???) I am talking about TECO: the famously cryptic Text Editor and
(???) Corrector, now made far less cryptic due to the addition of a GUI. If
(???) you have ever done any amount of work on HP or DEC minis, you must
(???) know what I'm talking about.
(???) ool! I forwarded your message to classiccmp -- I bet there will be some
(PNG) eople delighted to play with this.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gopher Server on Android?
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(IMG) started to port mine (in Ruby) so that it could run under the Android Scr=
pt Environment. it was a while ago, so I really dont even recall how far =
(IMG) got with it. I'll see if I still have the sources somewhere when I get a=
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(???) hance
(???) n Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 02:32:47PM -0700, Butcher wrote:
(???) Howdy.
(???) =20
(???) I've just installed a VPN and FTP server on my phone for remote access
(???) from my PC or the office. I thought it would be even handier to have a
(???) public/private Gopher server. Anyone tinkering on that idea yet?
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(???) I started to port mine (in Ruby) so that it could run under the Android
(???) Script Environment.
(???) y Nexus One wants this. :)
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(???) unojsilva@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) writes:
(???) Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> writes:
(???)
(???) On PocketGopher, a J2ME gopher client.)
(???) >> Meanwhile, I will look for an emulator so that I can at least play with
(???) >> the code.
(???) >
(???) > There are a number of MIDlet emulators out there, I think. I just run it
(???) > directly on my Android phone using Netmite.
(???)
(???) Still no progress, but I'll try installing the Oracle/Sun tools. (I just
(???) hope that the tools (a 32-bit binary package) don't clash with the 64
(???) bits JRE...) That should allow me to compile J2ME code, and I think it
(???) also has an emulator.
(TN3) he tools clashed, and that's why I didn't test it earlier. But I've
(???) anaged to test it: I had to change a couple lines to prevent it from
(???) eading only part of the menu, but it now works perfectly on the
(???) mulator from Sun.
(???) hile testing it, I even added some stuff: a "Reload" button and fields
(???) o specify selectors in the "Go to" window. (I sent those to Felix, if
(SND) omeone wants it, just ask me and I'll send it privately, unless you
(GIF) uys want it here and say it's okay to post some java code here.)
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(???) > Still no progress, but I'll try installing the Oracle/Sun tools. (I just
(???) > hope that the tools (a 32-bit binary package) don't clash with the 64
(???) > bits JRE...) That should allow me to compile J2ME code, and I think it
(???) > also has an emulator.
(???)
(???) The tools clashed, and that's why I didn't test it earlier. But I've
(???) managed to test it: I had to change a couple lines to prevent it from
(???) reading only part of the menu, but it now works perfectly on the
(???) emulator from Sun.
(???)
(???) While testing it, I even added some stuff: a "Reload" button and fields
(???) to specify selectors in the "Go to" window. (I sent those to Felix, if
(???) someone wants it, just ask me and I'll send it privately, unless you
(???) guys want it here and say it's okay to post some java code here.)
(IMG) 'd like to see it if it's cool with John. Speaking of Java, I'm working on
(???) he next Overbite Android. Downloading is actually more complex than I thought
(???) wing to setting up background threads. I'm actually implementing a whole
(DOC) ownload service, which seems like terrible overengineering, but people
(???) xpect background loads on Android and Overbite Android should do that too.
(IMG) fixed most of the other bugs and made the page renderer more efficient also.
(???) etting back to capabilities, I put a caps.txt file on floodgap and I'm
(GIF) oing to implement a little proof of concept in the public gopher proxy for
(???) omments before I start spreading the implementation into other Overbite
(???) lients. If you want to see the proposed file, you can see it at
(???) ut a fetch for "caps.txt" as the selector should probably be the standard,
(???) hich will work on pretty much any filesystem, I should think (and on
(???) hose that don't, a pseudoselector).
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(???) ny way to package this for CrackBerry?
(???) n 16 August 2010 14:46, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > > Still no progress, but I'll try installing the Oracle/Sun tools. (I ju=
(SND) t
(???) > > hope that the tools (a 32-bit binary package) don't clash with the 64
(???) > > bits JRE...) That should allow me to compile J2ME code, and I think it
(???) > > also has an emulator.
(???) >
(???) > The tools clashed, and that's why I didn't test it earlier. =A0But I've
(???) > managed to test it: I had to change a couple lines to prevent it from
(???) > reading only part of the menu, but it now works perfectly on the
(???) > emulator from Sun.
(???) >
(???) > While testing it, I even added some stuff: a "Reload" button and fields
(???) > to specify selectors in the "Go to" window. (I sent those to Felix, if
(???) > someone wants it, just ask me and I'll send it privately, unless you
(???) > guys want it here and say it's okay to post some java code here.)
(???)
(???) I'd like to see it if it's cool with John. Speaking of Java, I'm working =
(???) n
(???) the next Overbite Android. Downloading is actually more complex than I th=
(???) ught
(???) owing to setting up background threads. I'm actually implementing a whole
(???) download service, which seems like terrible overengineering, but people
(???) expect background loads on Android and Overbite Android should do that to=
(???) .
(???) I fixed most of the other bugs and made the page renderer more efficient =
(???) lso.
(???)
(???) Getting back to capabilities, I put a caps.txt file on floodgap and I'm
(???) going to implement a little proof of concept in the public gopher proxy f=
(???) r
(???) comments before I start spreading the implementation into other Overbite
(???) clients. If you want to see the proposed file, you can see it at
(???)
(???) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/0/caps.txt
(???)
(???) but a fetch for "caps.txt" as the selector should probably be the standar=
(DOC) ,
(???) which will work on pretty much any filesystem, I should think (and on
(???) those that don't, a pseudoselector).
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(???) Any way to package this for CrackBerry?
(???) ocketGopher should work on CrackBerry, it's just J2ME. I would love to
(HTM) ear if it does, and I'm sure Felix would love the feedback.
(IMG) ncidentally, I posted your Video TECO note to another mailing list, and
(???) hey pointed out that the original author already has it on SF:
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(???) es, with all the files removed. Like I said, I rescued the files
(???) rom the bitbucket. The docs are still floating round the net, but as
(???) ar as I know, you can not find the source etc. on any site except
(???) ine.
(???) n 16 August 2010 23:48, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > Any way to package this for CrackBerry?
(???)
(???) PocketGopher should work on CrackBerry, it's just J2ME. I would love to
(???) hear if it does, and I'm sure Felix would love the feedback.
(???)
(???) Incidentally, I posted your Video TECO note to another mailing list, and
(???) they pointed out that the original author already has it on SF:
(???)
(???) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://videoteco.sourceforge.net/
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(???) Yes, with all the files removed. Like I said, I rescued the files
(???) from the bitbucket. The docs are still floating round the net, but as
(???) far as I know, you can not find the source etc. on any site except
(???) mine.
(???) ot it. Though, in retrospect, maybe it would be best to try to make
(???) he licenses congruent, though I haven't looked through his repo to
(SND) ee how he is releasing his.
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(???) aul used to be my helicopter instructor, he told me I could
(???) e-release it under any licence that was open source. I decided I
(???) iked Sleepycat, because now anyone that wants to bundle TECO needs to
(???) undle it with open-source stuff, in keeping with the old-time hacker
(???) thic of MIT.
(???) n 18 August 2010 08:34, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > Yes, with all the files removed. =A0Like I said, I rescued the files
(???) > from the bitbucket. =A0The docs are still floating round the net, but as
(???) > far as I know, you can not find the source etc. on any site except
(???) > mine.
(???)
(???) Got it. Though, in retrospect, maybe it would be best to try to make
(???) the licenses congruent, though I haven't looked through his repo to
(???) see how he is releasing his.
(???)
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(???) Paul used to be my helicopter instructor, he told me I could
(???) re-release it under any licence that was open source. I decided I
(???) liked Sleepycat, because now anyone that wants to bundle TECO needs to
(???) bundle it with open-source stuff, in keeping with the old-time hacker
(???) ethic of MIT.
(???) h, then you are well on top of it! I'll never doubt you again :)
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(???) leepycat Licence says that if you link/bundle/attach a licenced
(PNG) roduct to a proprietary one, you have to make them both open source.
(???) MS probably wrote it :D
(???) n 19 August 2010 00:23, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > Paul used to be my helicopter instructor, he told me I could
(???) > re-release it under any licence that was open source. =A0I decided I
(???) > liked Sleepycat, because now anyone that wants to bundle TECO needs to
(???) > bundle it with open-source stuff, in keeping with the old-time hacker
(???) > ethic of MIT.
(???)
(???) Ah, then you are well on top of it! I'll never doubt you again :)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Welcome to caps!
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(???) ell, theory is no good without implementation, so now here is the test
mplementation for my caps idea. For those not following the thread, this
s a way for a server to expose capabilities without using Gopher+, hence
(???) caps". The concept is simple, a text file called caps.txt such that a
(???) etch for the selector
(???) ill come up with it. For example, see
(TN3) he reason this was done was initially so that a server could tell a client
(HTM) ow to parse selectors in its filesystem (the scheme here can handle POSIX
(???) ile paths, FAT/NTFS and Mac HFS, which should cover the vast majority of
(???) ust about anything -- I don't think a simple metacharacter search will
(PNG) arse VMS or Files-11 paths, so I didn't even try here). However, it is a
(???) ide-open interface: you can define arbitrary keys and if a client wants to
(DOC) o something with that key, it can (see the vanity keys at the end).
(???) o, here's the payoff:
(???) otice that in this (long) URL, the Floodgap Public Gopher Proxy is now
(PNG) arsing the caps file (and caching it as directed), and using it to cut up
(???) he selector. Now you know exactly where you are in the hierarchy, which
(SND) erves to further emphasize Gopher's usefulness as a hierarchical access
(SND) ystem.
(IMG) t also scales:
(???) ob Sayers also has a caps on robsayers.com,
(???) nd Jacob Dahl Pind has one on telefisk:
(IMG) 'm going to ask smj about one on sdf. Opinions? Any problems with this
nitial implementation?
(TN3) he idea next is to extend this support to OverbiteFF using an XUL overlay.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Classilla 9.2.1
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(???) or those of you on Mac OS 9 like I am probably close to half the time, I
(???) eleased Classilla 9.2.1 tonight. While this is a web browser, and not
tself germane to this list, I noticed with horror that it still had the
(PNG) ort 70 limitation in it (it is a Mozilla descendant) and fixed it to use
(???) he regular whitelist in 9.2.1.
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(???) n Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) For those of you on Mac OS 9
(???) hat about us on Mac OS 5?
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(???) or all of you on non-Unix Mac: Get a Real Computer and throw away
(???) hat expensive desk calculator! A computer with no command shell is
(???) ot a computer.
(???) n 23 August 2010 11:42, Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > For those of you on Mac OS 9
(???)
(???) What about us on Mac OS 5?
(???)
(???) ---
(???) //Alex
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(???) n 08/23/2010 07:52 PM, N. Theodore Matavka wrote:
(???) For all of you on non-Unix Mac: Get a Real Computer and throw away
(???) that expensive desk calculator! A computer with no command shell is
(???) not a computer.
(???)
(???) On 23 August 2010 11:42, Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) >> For those of you on Mac OS 9
(???) >
(???) > What about us on Mac OS 5?
(???) >
(???) > ---
(???) > //Alex
(???) >
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???) >
(???)
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(???) From a userability point of view, mac os 9 was easier to use than the
(???) arly osx, and had a better UI.
(???) ith work that Cameron is doing you can still get a decent internet
(???) xperience on an older mac.
(???) eople that top quotes shouldnt own a computer, be it with command shell
(???) r not.
(???) -
(???) acob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:237/38.8
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(???) n 24 August 2010 05:28, Jacob Dahl Pind <rachael@telefisk.org> wrote:
(???) On 08/23/2010 07:52 PM, N. Theodore Matavka wrote:
(???) > For all of you on non-Unix Mac: Get a Real Computer and throw away
(???) > that expensive desk calculator! =A0A computer with no command shell is
(???) > not a computer.
(???) >
(???) > On 23 August 2010 11:42, Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> =
(???) rote:
(???) >>> For those of you on Mac OS 9
(???) >>
(???) >> What about us on Mac OS 5?
(???) >>
(???) >> ---
(???) >> //Alex
(???) >>
(???) >> _______________________________________________
(???) >> Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) >> Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
(???) > Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project
(???)
(???) From a userability point of view, mac os 9 was easier to use than the
(???) early osx, and had a better UI.
(???) With work that Cameron is doing you can still get a decent internet
(???) experience on an older mac.
(???)
(???) People that top quotes shouldnt own a computer, be it with command shell
(???) or not.
(???)
(???) --
(???) Jacob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:237/38.8
(???)
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(???)
(???) orry, Gmail was being a pain in the arse. Yes, OS9 had a better UI
(???) han early OS X, but its security was non existent and ditto for tools
(???) hat I take for granted on any Mac today (such as ping, emacs,
(???) racepath, telnet, and ssh).
(???) es, Dr Kaiser is doing great work, but where is telnet, ssh, ping,
(???) racepath, fsp, apache, epic, etc.?
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(???) Sorry, Gmail was being a pain in the arse. Yes, OS9 had a better UI
(???) than early OS X, but its security was non existent and ditto for tools
(???) that I take for granted on any Mac today (such as ping, emacs,
(???) tracepath, telnet, and ssh).
(???)
(???) Yes, Dr Kaiser is doing great work, but where is telnet, ssh, ping,
(???) tracepath, fsp, apache, epic, etc.?
(???) o, anyway, Classilla is out for those who use it and it was already only
(???) arginally on topic anyway. :-P
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) heck it out!
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(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Merci d'eviter le "Top posting" --------------------------------------------
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] gopher now back in cURL!
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(???) n Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) Check it out!
(???) http://github.com/bagder/curl/commits/master
(???) adds libcurl back to her projects*
(???) --
(???) /Alex
(???) Look boys, the graphical part is done. Now we just have to code it!" --tdist
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(???) ubject: [gopher] [OT] Re: Classilla 9.2.1
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(???) acob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) ...]
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
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(???)
(???) People that top quotes shouldnt own a computer, be it with command shell
(???) or not.
(???) eople that quote signatures or quote mails fully shouldn't either. (SCNR)
(???) an we now get back to the topic instead of bashing historical
(???) perating systems with and without shells?
(IMG) f someone wants to write code for it, let him. It doesn't hurt
(???) nyone.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] gophervr compilation trouble
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(???) I apologize if this hits the list twice, but my posts haven't been
(SND) howing up on the list so I resubscribed.)
(IMG) 'm trying to build the latest gophervr source from Floodgap
(???) gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/9/gophervr/gophervr-src.zip) on my Ubuntu
(DIR) 0.04 LTS box but am getting errors related to /usr/include/string.h (!)
(???) rom the compile step for gopherto3d.
(IMG) 'm attaching a log of output from from 'make linux'. Any suggestions on
(HTM) ow to proceed?
(???) -
(???) avid Meyer
(TN3) akarazuka, Japan
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(???) ** WARNING: THIS TARGET IS NOT TESTED ***
(SND) leep 5
(???) cd gopher ; ./configure )
(???) oading cache ./config.cache
(???) ---------------------------------------------------------------------
(???) ou are about to build the Gopher system for Unix
(???) lease read the file doc/INSTALL for full information on
(???) uilding Gopher
(???) 20
(???) opher is copyrighted software, see the file Copyright in
(???) he distribution for more information and limitations.
(???) ---------------------------------------------------------------------
(???) 20
(???) hecking for gcc... (cached) gcc
(???) hecking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
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(???) reating ./config.status
(???) reating Makefile
(???) reating Makefile.config
(???) reating object/Makefile
(???) reating gopher/Makefile
(???) reating gopher/locales/Makefile
(???) reating doc/Makefile
(???) reating gophfilt/Makefile
(???) reating config.h
(???) onfig.h is unchanged
(???) cd gopher/object ; make all )
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gopher/object'
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gopher/object'
(???) cd libtracker; make MACHINE=3Dlinux)
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libtracker'
(???) ake[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libtracker'
(???) cd libvogl;
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl'
(???) d src; make -w -f Makefile \
(???) NIX" DOBJS=3D"../drivers/X11.o" \
(???) xpensive-optimizations -DNO_MULTIBUF"=20
(???) ake[2]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/src'
(???) ake[2]: `../../lib/libvogl.a' is up to date.
(???) ake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/src'
(???) d hershey/src; make -w -f Makefile \
(???) \
(???) fexpensive-optimizations -DNO_MULTIBUF"
(???) ake[2]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/hershey/src'
(???) ake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
(???) ake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/hershey/src'
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl'
(???) cd gophervr;
(???) v -f Makefile Makefile.bak
make -DUseInstalled -I/usr/lib/X11/config
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gophervr'
(GIF) cc -m32 -g -O -I../gopher -I../gopher/object -I../libvogl/src -Dl=
nux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=3D199309L
(???) DNARROWPROTO -c -o gopherto3d.o gopherto3d.c
(IMG) n file included from ../gopher/object/STRstring.h:76,
(???) from ../gopher/object/GSgopherobj.h:120,
(???) from ../gopher/object/GDgopherdir.h:50,
(???) from gopherto3d.c:4:
(???) usr/include/string.h:546: error: expected declaration specifiers or =E2=80=
(???) 98...=E2=80=99 before =E2=80=98__locale_t=E2=80=99
(???) usr/include/string.h:547: error: nonnull argument with out-of-range oper=
(???) nd number (argument 1, operand 3)
(???) usr/include/string.h:550: error: expected declaration specifiers or =E2=80=
(???) 98...=E2=80=99 before =E2=80=98__locale_t=E2=80=99
(???) usr/include/string.h:551: error: nonnull argument with out-of-range oper=
(???) nd number (argument 1, operand 4)
(GIF) opherto3d.c: In function =E2=80=98GDrenderScene=E2=80=99:
(GIF) opherto3d.c:178: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:179: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strncmp=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:145: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:180: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strncmp=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:145: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c: In function =E2=80=98SelectGopherDir=E2=80=99:
(GIF) opherto3d.c:716: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strncmp=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:145: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strlen=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:397: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strcm=
(PNG) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:719: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98strncmp=E2=80=99=
(???) from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/string.h:145: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 =
(???) ut argument is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:720: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98__builtin_strch=
(???) =E2=80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(GIF) opherto3d.c:720: note: expected =E2=80=98const char *=E2=80=99 but argum=
(???) nt is of type =E2=80=98struct String *=E2=80=99
(GIF) opherto3d.c:622: warning: ignoring return value of =E2=80=98system=E2=80=
(???) 99, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
(GIF) opherto3d.c:631: warning: ignoring return value of =E2=80=98system=E2=80=
(???) 99, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
(GIF) opherto3d.c:676: warning: ignoring return value of =E2=80=98system=E2=80=
(???) 99, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
(GIF) opherto3d.c:707: warning: ignoring return value of =E2=80=98system=E2=80=
(???) 99, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
(GIF) opherto3d.c:727: warning: ignoring return value of =E2=80=98system=E2=80=
(???) 99, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
(???) ake[1]: *** [gopherto3d.o] Error 1
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gophervr'
(???) ake: *** [linux] Error 2
(???) -----=_20100828141630_71860
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] [OT] Re: Classilla 9.2.1
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(???) n Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Axel Beckert <abe@deuxchevaux.org> wrote:
(???) People that quote signatures or quote mails fully shouldn't either. (SCNR)
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(???) eople with signatures longer than 3 lines aren't allowed to bash
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <ffd3d2df9513bd1118662188682796db.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> from David
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] gophervr compilation trouble
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(???) hat happens if you throw a #define _GNU_SOURCE in gopherto3d.c?
(???) see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507930)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] gopher aricle
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(???) arning in germany, but mostly just summing up .
(HTM) ttp://www.heise.de/tr/blog/artikel/Das-Ende-des-Gopherspace-1065767.html
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] gopher aricle
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(???) warning in germany, but mostly just summing up .
(???) http://www.heise.de/tr/blog/artikel/Das-Ende-des-Gopherspace-1065767.html
(IMG) read that article. It seemed more of an uninformed history than a
(???) emorial.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Interactive Image Format
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(???) forgotten frontier:
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(IMG) t might be fun to reconstruct this for Groundhog, but this could be
(???) pplied realistically to *any* gopher-hosted image.
(???) -
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(HTM) aha i remember that website :)
(???) n Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrot=
(???) :
(???) A forgotten frontier:
(???)
(???) http://web.archive.org/web/19970710172210/blueskies.sprl.umich.edu/IIF/
(???)
(???) It might be fun to reconstruct this for Groundhog, but this could be
(???) applied realistically to *any* gopher-hosted image.
(???)
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(???) m/ --
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(PNG) .com
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] gophervr compilation trouble
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(???) n Sun, August 29, 2010 14:21, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) What happens if you throw a #define _GNU_SOURCE in gopherto3d.c?
(???)
(???) (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507930)
(???) o effect. Nor did #define _XOPEN2K8_SOURCE , which the bug report seemed
(???) o suggest as an alternative, have any effect. I even tried #include
(???) xlocale.h> , though I realize it's in string.h where it needs including,
(???) lso to no effect.
(???) -
(???) avid Meyer
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(???) > What happens if you throw a #define _GNU_SOURCE in gopherto3d.c?
(???) >
(???) > (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507930)
(???)
(???) No effect. Nor did #define _XOPEN2K8_SOURCE , which the bug report seemed
(???) to suggest as an alternative, have any effect. I even tried #include
(???) <xlocale.h> , though I realize it's in string.h where it needs including,
(???) also to no effect.
(IMG) assume that you put #define _GNU_SOURCE right at the beginning, correct?
(???) oes defining both (__USE_XOPEN2K8 or _XOPEN2K8_SOURCE) with _GNU_SOURCE help?
(???) -
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(???) ubject: [gopher] gophervr compilation trouble
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(IMG) gave Cameron's suggestion one more try, but this time put before all the
(???) includes instead of after where I had it before. That seemed to do the
(???) rick to get gopherto3d compiled. Yay, and thanks!
(???) owever, now I'm getting an error when make tries to compile
(???) otiftools.com (log attached). Any more ideas?
(???) -
(???) avid Meyer
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(PNG) apa@freeshell.org
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(???) ** WARNING: THIS TARGET IS NOT TESTED ***
(SND) leep 5
(???) cd gopher ; ./configure )
(???) oading cache ./config.cache
(???) ---------------------------------------------------------------------
(???) ou are about to build the Gopher system for Unix
(???) lease read the file doc/INSTALL for full information on
(???) uilding Gopher
(???) 20
(???) opher is copyrighted software, see the file Copyright in
(???) he distribution for more information and limitations.
(???) ---------------------------------------------------------------------
(???) 20
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(???) hecking for getloadavg... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for getloadavg... (cached) yes
(???) hecking whether getloadavg requires setgid... (cached) no
(???) hecking for main in -lcurses... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for main in -ltermcap... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for bzero... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for gethostname... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for fgetpwent... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for get_current_dir_name... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for getcwd... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for getwd... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for madvise... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for mkdir... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for mkstemp... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for mktime... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for putenv... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for re_comp... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for select... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for seteuid... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for setsid... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for socket... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strcasecmp... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strcspn... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strdup... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strerror... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strftime... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strspn... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strstr... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strtol... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for sysconf... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for tempnam... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for tzset... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for wait3... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for waitpid... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for strcasestr... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for regcomp... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for regfree... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for wattron... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for wattroff... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for wstandout... (cached) yes
(???) hecking for wstandend... (cached) yes
(???) reating ./config.status
(???) reating Makefile
(???) reating Makefile.config
(???) reating object/Makefile
(???) reating gopher/Makefile
(???) reating gopher/locales/Makefile
(???) reating doc/Makefile
(???) reating gophfilt/Makefile
(???) reating config.h
(???) onfig.h is unchanged
(???) cd gopher/object ; make all )
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gopher/object'
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gopher/object'
(???) cd libtracker; make MACHINE=3Dlinux)
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libtracker'
(???) ake[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libtracker'
(???) cd libvogl;
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl'
(???) d src; make -w -f Makefile \
(???) NIX" DOBJS=3D"../drivers/X11.o" \
(???) xpensive-optimizations -DNO_MULTIBUF"=20
(???) ake[2]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/src'
(???) ake[2]: `../../lib/libvogl.a' is up to date.
(???) ake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/src'
(???) d hershey/src; make -w -f Makefile \
(???) \
(???) fexpensive-optimizations -DNO_MULTIBUF"
(???) ake[2]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/hershey/src'
(???) ake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
(???) ake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl/hershey/src'
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/libvogl'
(???) cd gophervr;
(???) v -f Makefile Makefile.bak
make -DUseInstalled -I/usr/lib/X11/config
(???) ake[1]: Entering directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gophervr'
(GIF) cc -m32 -g -O -I../gopher -I../gopher/object -I../libvogl/src -Dl=
nux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=3D199309L
(???) DNARROWPROTO -c -o motiftools.o motiftools.c
(???) otiftools.c:23: error: expected =E2=80=98)=E2=80=99 before =E2=80=98*=E2=
(???) 80=99 token
(???) otiftools.c: In function =E2=80=98MenuQuit_CB=E2=80=99:
(???) otiftools.c:132: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in =
(???) unction =E2=80=98exit=E2=80=99
(???) otiftools.c: In function =E2=80=98AddInput=E2=80=99:
(???) otiftools.c:312: warning: passing argument 3 of =E2=80=98XtAppAddInput=E2=
(???) 80=99 makes pointer from integer without a cast
(???) usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:1005: note: expected =E2=80=98XtPointer=E2=80=
(???) 99 but argument is of type =E2=80=98long int=E2=80=99
(???) otiftools.c:312: warning: passing argument 4 of =E2=80=98XtAppAddInput=E2=
(???) 80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:1005: note: expected =E2=80=98XtInputCallbac=
(???) Proc=E2=80=99 but argument is of type =E2=80=98char * (*)()=E2=80=99
(???) otiftools.c: In function =E2=80=98PromptFor=E2=80=99:
(???) otiftools.c:338: warning: passing argument 3 of =E2=80=98XtAddCallback=E2=
(???) 80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:1244: note: expected =E2=80=98XtCallbackProc=
(???) E2=80=99 but argument is of type =E2=80=98void * (*)()=E2=80=99
(???) otiftools.c:339: warning: passing argument 3 of =E2=80=98XtAddCallback=E2=
(???) 80=99 from incompatible pointer type
(???) usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:1244: note: expected =E2=80=98XtCallbackProc=
(???) E2=80=99 but argument is of type =E2=80=98void (*)(struct _WidgetRec *)=E2=
(???) 80=99
(???) otiftools.c: In function =E2=80=98saveok=E2=80=99:
(???) otiftools.c:378: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in =
(???) unction =E2=80=98sprintf=E2=80=99
(???) otiftools.c:387: error: =E2=80=98FILE=E2=80=99 undeclared (first use in =
(???) his function)
(???) otiftools.c:387: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only onc=
(???)
(???) otiftools.c:387: error: for each function it appears in.)
(???) otiftools.c:387: error: =E2=80=98f=E2=80=99 undeclared (first use in thi=
(SND) function)
(???) otiftools.c: In function =E2=80=98filepicker=E2=80=99:
(???) otiftools.c:422: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without =
(???) cast
(???) otiftools.c:430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without =
(???) cast
(???) otiftools.c:434: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without =
(???) cast
(???) otiftools.c:440: warning: passing argument 1 of =E2=80=98XtSetSensitive=E2=
(???) 80=99 makes pointer from integer without a cast
(???) usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:1125: note: expected =E2=80=98Widget=E2=80=99=
(???) but argument is of type =E2=80=98int=E2=80=99
(???) ake[1]: *** [motiftools.o] Error 1
(???) ake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/papa/gophervr/gophervr'
(???) ake: *** [linux] Error 2
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