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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] gopher++ examples with Gophernicus/0.5-alpha
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(???) > > Oh, and if you're doing a new release please rename the getline()'s
(???) > > which make compiling on Linux fail.
(???) >
(???) > Yes :) however, I have other plans in mind for ck9, so that is not coming
(???) > out imminently -- for one thing, I am trying to fix the line box to be more
(???) > flexible, which lays out okay but does not make clickable areas right.
(???)
(???) Just wanted to say that your version of Mosaic is a really good browser
(???) considering it's age. I had it up and running today for hours and it
(???) didn't even crash :-).
(???) CSA did good work, though I did burn out a few minor crashers I found
(???) long the way. Still, the foundation is solid.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Ending type 0 transmissions with a dot or not?
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(???) ust wondering... These are from the gopher RFC:
(???) --
(TN3) he server responds with a block of text terminated by a
(PNG) eriod on a line by itself and closes the connection.
(???) ote: Lines beginning with periods must be prepended with an extra
(???) period to ensure that the transmission is not terminated early.
(???) The client should strip extra periods at the beginning of the line.
(???) --
(IMG) t seems that pygopherd doesn't terminate with a dot but bucktooth does,
(???) nd so far I haven't found a client which would do both of the above.
(???) irefox shows all the dots in the world, Overbite ends with a dot but
(DOC) oesn't follow the second rule and even UMN gopher shows me double-dots...
(IMG) was going to implement the Gophernicus Server as per the spec... but
(???) ow I'm not so sure. Adding the dot breaks a lot of things like
(DOC) ownloading the patches I talked about yesterday... but not adding the
(DOC) ot is against the spec :-/.
(???) pinions?
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(???) n 2010-04-01 09:26, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I was going to implement the Gophernicus Server as per the spec... but
(???) now I'm not so sure. Adding the dot breaks a lot of things like
(???) downloading the patches I talked about yesterday... but not adding the
(???) dot is against the spec :-/.
(???) evermind... After a few glasses of shampagne I decided to make it an
(???) ompile time option...
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(???) proposal for a method to include titles in gopher++ menus
(???) ==========================================================
(DIR) . The problem
(???) opher0 (RFC 1436) menus have no titles. When one is browsing around the
(GIF) opherspace this make no difference, but it is a big problem for
(???) ookmarking and for automated crawlers like Veronica-2.
(PHO) . Gopher++ TITLE resource definition
(???) TITLE resource in a gopher++ menu is defined as follows:
(???) type - "i" (without quotes)
(???) name - the actual text of the title
(???) selector - "TITLE" (without quotes)
(???) host,port - dummy values
(???) TITLE resource is identical to a regular info resource, only the
(SND) elector is set to a specific string, "TITLE".
(???) n example of a TITLE resource:
Title for this Gopher resource<TAB>TITLE<TAB>dummy.host<TAB>0
(ERR) . Conforming client requirements
(???) onforming clients will use the first info resource with the word
(???) TITLE" in the selector as the title of the menu. All following TITLE
(???) esources should be ignored.
(???) on-conforming clients will see a normal info resource and present it as
(???) ormal informational text. This provides near-perfect backwards
(???) ompatibility.
(HEX) . Conforming server requirements
(???) onforming server may include a TITLE resource as the first line of any
(???) enu it provides to the client. A server should not send more than one
(TN3) ITLE resource as a conforming client will ignore all but the first one.
(ARC) . Compatibility
(TN3) he TITLE resource described here should be fully backwards compatible
(???) ith both old gopher servers and clients.
(IMG) f an non-conforming server supports gophermaps, it's possible for an
(???) uthor to include TITLE resources even if the server doesn't
(SND) pecifically support them.
(IMG) f a non-conforming client receives a TITLE resouce, it will simply
(???) ender it as informational text. As the TITLE should be on the first
(???) ine of any menu it will look like a title to the user even if the
(???) lient doesn't specifically render it as such.
(UUE) . Example code
(TN3) he Gophernicus Server version 0.5-beta (and later) automatically
nserts TITLE resources for all menus where a gophermap doesn't exist.
(TN3) here is also a patch for the NSCA Mosaic 2.7ck8 gopher client which
(???) dds support for parsing & rendering the TITLE resources.
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/patches/gopher++/
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(???) Conforming clients will use the first info resource with the word
(???) "TITLE" in the selector as the title of the menu. All following TITLE
(???) resources should be ignored.
(???) ...]
(???) If a non-conforming client receives a TITLE resouce, it will simply
(???) render it as informational text. As the TITLE should be on the first
(???) line of any menu it will look like a title to the user even if the
(???) client doesn't specifically render it as such.
(IMG) think this is fine, except that I don't think there should be any
(???) estriction about where the TITLE resource should occur. It may make
(???) ore sense for it to occur lower down on the menu:
(DIR) > Back to the previous menu
(???) This is the title. << TITLE resource
(???) This is the text.
(PHO) > Some more menu options.
(ERR) > Some more menu options.
(???) yself, I would probably simply have the client *both* print it as an
nfo text line (for consistent output), and then do whatever it wants to
(DOC) o with it internally (put it in the window title bar, etc.). I haven't
(???) ooked at your code yet to see if this is already what you're doing, so
(???) aybe you already are :)
(???) eems like this kind of interface could be extended to other kinds of
(???) etadata, too.
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(???) n Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:26:11AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) It seems that pygopherd doesn't terminate with a dot but bucktooth does,
(???) and so far I haven't found a client which would do both of the above.
(???) Firefox shows all the dots in the world, Overbite ends with a dot but
(???) doesn't follow the second rule and even UMN gopher shows me double-dots...
(???) opher servers are inconsistent in this regard. You can't depend upon
(SND) ervers to terminate lines correctly. When I wrote the WikkaWiki
(GIF) opher proxy, I quickly discovered that writing code to the RFC was
(???) ot going to work. You'll have to deal with any number of line
(???) erminators if you want intercompatibility.
(???) --Brian
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(???) Just wondering... These are from the gopher RFC:
(???)
(???) ---
(???) The server responds with a block of text terminated by a
(???) period on a line by itself and closes the connection.
(???)
(???) Note: Lines beginning with periods must be prepended with an extra
(???) period to ensure that the transmission is not terminated early.
(???) The client should strip extra periods at the beginning of the line.
(???) ---
(???)
(???) It seems that pygopherd doesn't terminate with a dot but bucktooth does,
(???) and so far I haven't found a client which would do both of the above.
(???) Firefox shows all the dots in the world, Overbite ends with a dot but
(???) doesn't follow the second rule and even UMN gopher shows me double-dots...
(???)
(???) I was going to implement the Gophernicus Server as per the spec... but
(???) now I'm not so sure. Adding the dot breaks a lot of things like
(???) downloading the patches I talked about yesterday... but not adding the
(???) dot is against the spec :-/.
(???) s far as I am concerned, a client that would close the connection on a line
(???) ike
(???) Call me Ishmael.
s broken, which is why I did not implement dot-removal in Overbite on
(???) nything but the last line. The RFC doesn't even agree with itself on
(???) his, since only .<CRLF> should do that, so .Call me Ishmael. wouldn't
(???) ven match.
(???) urthermore,
(???) ote: The client should be prepared for the server closing the
(???) connection without sending the Lastline. This allows the
(???) client to use fingerd servers.
(TN3) his is specifically under TextFile Transaction, but pretty much every
(???) lient has this extrapolated for every other item type, since binary
types also require it.
(???) y personal feeling is screw the dot and close the connection, and I'll
(PNG) robably change Bucktooth to do that at some unspecified time.
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(???) n 2010-04-01 15:50, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) My personal feeling is screw the dot and close the connection, and I'll
(???) probably change Bucktooth to do that at some unspecified time.
(TN3) hat's what I decided to do by default too as I found the whole dot
(???) hingy stupid and so inconsistent it wasn't even funny. Even UMN's own
(???) lient doesn't do what their own spec says...
(IMG) think on the client side I'll skip the last lone dot if it's there but
(???) hat's about it.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Proposal for a gopher++ TITLE resource
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(???) n 2010-04-01 15:40, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) I think this is fine, except that I don't think there should be any
(???) restriction about where the TITLE resource should occur. It may make
(???) more sense for it to occur lower down on the menu:
(???)
(???) 1> Back to the previous menu
(???)
(???) This is the title.<< TITLE resource
(???)
(???) This is the text.
(???)
(???) 2> Some more menu options.
(???) 3> Some more menu options.
(TN3) hat's what my code did at first - umm... by accident. I then limited
(???) he TITLE to be the on the first line only.
(TN3) he reason for the first line requirement was that streaming clients
(???) like Mosaic) won't have to buffer lines waiting for the TITLE. Also a
(???) lient wanting just the title could simply read one line out of the
(SND) ocket and close the connection.
(???) Myself, I would probably simply have the client *both* print it as an
(???) info text line (for consistent output), and then do whatever it wants to
(???) do with it internally (put it in the window title bar, etc.). I haven't
(???) looked at your code yet to see if this is already what you're doing, so
(???) maybe you already are :)
(???) ell, I'm taking the first TITLE and putting it inside
(???) DT><H1>Title</H1> and totally ignoring the rest.
(???) mm, maybe I'll try modifying the code so that it'll take the first
(TN3) ITLE and use it as the main page title, and then just print the rest as
(SND) ubtitles with <H2> or something.
(???) Seems like this kind of interface could be extended to other kinds of
(???) metadata, too.
(TN3) hat's true, there's a lot sideband metadata possibilities in the unused
(SND) elector, host and port fields. But I didn't want to rock the boat too
(???) uch now - the title is the one thing I'm missing the most.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 2010-04-01 15:40, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) I think this is fine, except that I don't think there should be any
(???) restriction about where the TITLE resource should occur. It may make
(???) more sense for it to occur lower down on the menu:
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(???) 1> Back to the previous menu
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(???)
(???) This is the text.
(???)
(???) 2> Some more menu options.
(???) 3> Some more menu options.
(???)
(???) Myself, I would probably simply have the client *both* print it as an
(???) info text line (for consistent output), and then do whatever it wants to
(???) do with it internally
(???) new patch in the same location now does that - after thinking about it
(???) or a while I agree that it's useful to have titles other than the main one.
(TN3) he current Mosaic patch takes the first line's TITLE as the main title
(???) used as window title and in history) and prints all other TITLEs as
(???) olded info lines. Looks pretty good to me.
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/patches/gopher++/
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Proposal for a gopher++ TITLE resource
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(???) The current Mosaic patch takes the first line's TITLE as the main title
(???) (used as window title and in history) and prints all other TITLEs as
(???) bolded info lines. Looks pretty good to me.
(???) ow about the *first* TITLE as opposed to the first *line's* TITLE? This
(???) llows the situation of
(DIR) > Previous menu
(???) My Title << TITLE
(???) Lorem ipsum etc.
(???) o work properly.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Proposal for a gopher++ TITLE resource
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(???) n 2010-04-01 22:51, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > The current Mosaic patch takes the first line's TITLE as the main title
(???) > (used as window title and in history) and prints all other TITLEs as
(???) > bolded info lines. Looks pretty good to me.
(???)
(???) How about the *first* TITLE as opposed to the first *line's* TITLE? This
(???) allows the situation of
(???)
(???) 1> Previous menu
(???)
(???) My Title<< TITLE
(???)
(???) Lorem ipsum etc.
(???)
(???) to work properly.
(???) ecause I was lazy :-). Mosaic's gopher handler is a streaming one which
(???) eans that I'd have to buffer an unknown number of resource lines
(???) ooking for the TITLE....
(???) nyway, my original proposal did say that it "should" be on the first
(???) ine, not that it must be...
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gophernicus Server 0.5 released
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(???) ust released Gophernicus Server version 0.5.
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???) ew features:
(???) gopher++ request header support
(???) gopher++ TITLE resource support
(???) charset conversions between US-ASCII, ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8
(IMG) think the biggest feature here is the full support for charset =
(???) onversions. By default gopher0 clients get everything in look-alike =
(???) S-ASCII (=E4 -> a etc), but gopher++ clients can ask for ISO-8859-1 or =
(???) TF-8 instead. Source material can be in any of the three supported =
(???) harsets, and best of all the conversion routine is input =
(???) utoconfiguring. Which means that you can have all three charsets even =
nside one file and it STILL does the right thing...
(???) urrently there's just one client that works with the gopher++ support, =
(???) ameron's Mosaic with my patches on top... Once I get the server =
(???) inished I'll start working on clients.
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(???) rom: Brian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Semi-annual IRC reminder (#gopherproject on freenode)
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(???) ust my semi-annual reminder that #gopherproject is alive and well on
(???) reenode!
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(???) rom: Brian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] hal3000.cx still among the living?
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(???) nyone know what's up with hal3000.cx?
(???) --Brian
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(???) rom gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Tue Apr 06 00:55:23 2010
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(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] hal3000.cx still among the living?
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
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(???) Anyone know what's up with hal3000.cx?
(???) unno. In not too much longer I'm going to have to expire it out of the
(???) -2 database; I'm trying to crack down on dead servers in search results.
(???) -
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(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) rom gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Tue Apr 06 06:49:07 2010
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(???) ate: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:48:39 +0300
(???) rom: Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com>
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(TN3) o: Gopher Project Discussion <gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org>
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] hal3000.cx still among the living?
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
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(???) n 6.4.2010 0:50, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) Anyone know what's up with hal3000.cx?
(IMG) t's been down for at least two-three months....
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gophernicus Server 0.5 released
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Mention of WikkaWiki proxy in PROXY SUPPORT
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(???) ameron--
(???) ould it be possible to include a blurb about the WikkaGopher plugin
(PNG) roxy available for WikkaWiki on your web broswer page
(???) gopher/wbgopher)? The URL (soon to be a gopher selector) is here:
(HTM) ttp://www.pongonova.org/gopherwiki
(???) ore proxies out there == more gopher presence, and that's what we all
(???) re looking for in the end!
(???) --Brian
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(???) rom gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Wed Apr 07 06:44:12 2010
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Finally up and running in gopherspace
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(TN3) he newest addition to gopherspace:
(PNG) ongonova.org (gopher://pongonova.org)
(???) ot much there ATM, but it's a start.
(???) --Brian
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(???) on't have gopher? Visit the world's first wiki-based gopher proxy!
(HTM) ttp://www.pongonova.org/gopherwiki
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(???) rom gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Wed Apr 07 07:44:42 2010
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(???) The newest addition to gopherspace:
(???)
(???) pongonova.org (gopher://pongonova.org)
(???) ive me a display string and I'll have Veronica-2 index it, since it's
(???) n crawl phase.
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(???) n Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 10:43:48PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > The newest addition to gopherspace:
(???) >
(???) > pongonova.org (gopher://pongonova.org)
(???)
(???) Give me a display string and I'll have Veronica-2 index it, since it's
(???) on crawl phase.
(???) y "display string," do you mean something like this:
(GIF) opher://pongonova.org/0/gophermap
(???) --Brian
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(???) > > The newest addition to gopherspace:
(???) > >
(???) > > pongonova.org (gopher://pongonova.org)
(???) >
(???) > Give me a display string and I'll have Veronica-2 index it, since it's
(???) > on crawl phase.
(???)
(???) By "display string," do you mean something like this:
(???) o, I mean, what you want your server to be called. Or, as Kim would say,
(???) TITLE. :)
(???) -
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(???) n 7.4.2010 14:48, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) >> pongonova.org (gopher://pongonova.org)
(???) >
(???) > Give me a display string and I'll have Veronica-2 index it, since it's
(???) > on crawl phase.
(???)
(???) By "display string," do you mean something like this:
(???)
(???) gopher://pongonova.org/0/gophermap
(???) ope, by display string he means a title to the front page. As gopher
(DOC) oesn't have formal titles we need to discuss the titles outside of the
(PNG) rotocol....
(???) Kim
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(???) oh...pongonova.org is fine.
(???) --Brian
(???) n Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 05:43:21AM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > > > The newest addition to gopherspace:
(???) > > >
(???) > > > pongonova.org (gopher://pongonova.org)
(???) > >
(???) > > Give me a display string and I'll have Veronica-2 index it, since it's
(???) > > on crawl phase.
(???) >
(???) > By "display string," do you mean something like this:
(???)
(???) No, I mean, what you want your server to be called. Or, as Kim would say,
(???) a TITLE. :)
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(???) ey all! I've been fooling around with pygopherd after being
ntroduced to Gopherspace a while back by a friend of mine. ( My
(???) urrent server - gopher://www.terminalcore.net - NetBSD 3.0 Sparc64,
(???) etra T105)
(IMG) t's interesting stuff and in a lot of ways eminently better than FTP
(???) r certain other serving methods. I like it also because it doesn't
(???) ake up a lot of horsepower.
(???) ne thing I noticed is that there doesn't seem to be an easy way to
(???) ake a front-end authentication page if you wanted part of your Gopher
(SND) erver to be secure. (At least I didn't see a way.)
(???) an this be done with +ASK? Does anybody have an example of using
(DUP) ASK that doesn't make my head hurt?
(IMG) 'm very much a Gopher noob but I've run other things in the past so
(IMG) 'm not too afraid of getting my hands dirty. A little help?
(???) -
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(???) n Apr 6, 2010, at 10:51 PM 4/6/10, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) The newest addition to gopherspace:
(???)
(???) pongonova.org (gopher://pongonova.org)
(???)
(???) Not much there ATM, but it's a start.
(???) Not sure if this post will get through because the last one was stuck
n moderation.)
(IMG) 've got a simple gopherspace up and running on my webserver:
(GIF) opher://www.terminalcore.net
(???) o gophermap file yet but that will come with time.
(IMG) 'm glad to see that there's still active Gopher development going on
(???) s someone only recently introduced me to gopherspace.
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(???) ike,
(???) Hey all! I've been fooling around with pygopherd after being
(???) introduced to Gopherspace a while back by a friend of mine. ( My
(???) current server - gopher://www.terminalcore.net - NetBSD 3.0 Sparc64,
(???) Netra T105)
(???)
(???) It's interesting stuff and in a lot of ways eminently better than FTP
(???) or certain other serving methods. I like it also because it doesn't
(???) take up a lot of horsepower.
(???) ice. I'll add your site to the new gophers list, and V-2 will seed off
(???) f that. What would you like the display string to be?
(???) One thing I noticed is that there doesn't seem to be an easy way to
(???) make a front-end authentication page if you wanted part of your Gopher
(???) server to be secure. (At least I didn't see a way.)
(???) nfortunately no, unless you wrote some custom server that required
(SND) igned credentials on each access. This would of course probably demand
(???) custom client.
(???) Can this be done with +ASK? Does anybody have an example of using
(???) +ASK that doesn't make my head hurt?
(DUP) ASK could handle the form, but the server would still have to enforce
(???) he security. I suppose you could have a mole as a front end, but I would
(HTM) ave to think about the potential gaps in that. Or, you could use itemtype
(QRY) , though this is a little more opaque. And, of course, Gopher over TLS or
(???) SL has been proposed but not ever, to my knowledge, implemented.
(???) -
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(???) Doh...pongonova.org is fine.
(???) ock on. Crawl imminent.
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(???) n Apr 7, 2010, at 9:59 AM 4/7/10, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Mike,
(???)
(???) > Hey all! I've been fooling around with pygopherd after being
(???) > introduced to Gopherspace a while back by a friend of mine. ( My
(???) > current server - gopher://www.terminalcore.net - NetBSD 3.0 Sparc64,
(???) > Netra T105)
(???) >
(???) > It's interesting stuff and in a lot of ways eminently better than FTP
(???) > or certain other serving methods. I like it also because it doesn't
(???) > take up a lot of horsepower.
(???)
(???) Nice. I'll add your site to the new gophers list, and V-2 will seed
(???) off
(???) of that. What would you like the display string to be?
(TN3) he Terminal Core is good. (That's a FLCL reference for any anime
(???) ans out there.)
(???) > One thing I noticed is that there doesn't seem to be an easy way to
(???) > make a front-end authentication page if you wanted part of your
(???) > Gopher
(???) > server to be secure. (At least I didn't see a way.)
(???)
(???) Unfortunately no, unless you wrote some custom server that required
(???) signed credentials on each access. This would of course probably
(???) demand
(???) a custom client.
(???) s I suspected. I could do it using IP blocking at the firewall or
(PNG) ort knocking or something equally nutty but those have serious issues.
(???) > Can this be done with +ASK? Does anybody have an example of using
(???) > +ASK that doesn't make my head hurt?
(???)
(???) +ASK could handle the form, but the server would still have to enforce
(???) the security. I suppose you could have a mole as a front end, but I
(???) would
(???) have to think about the potential gaps in that. Or, you could use
(???) itemtype
(???) 7, though this is a little more opaque.
(???) o let me ask you this then - does the +ASK form have the ability to
(PNG) opulate a text file? If so then I just thought of something.
(???) ou could have a daemon running in the background that checks the text
(???) ile for name:passwd then fires up a server session on a particular
(PNG) ort. The gophermap behind the ask form would have custom links for
(???) ach user. The links would only then be active if someone has logged
n via the +ASK form. Put a logoff +ASK form in the user gopherspace
(???) nd give the daemon a timeout ability to kill the special server
(SND) ession and the user gopherspace would then only be available when
(SND) omeone was properly logged in.
(IMG) t's a kludge and it doesn't provide password security but it would
(???) ork in theory. (Provided I don't have the capabilities of +
(???) SK wrong in my head - I'm still very fuzzy on a lot of Gopher stuff.)
(???) lso you'd have to define a range of ports in the firewall as
(DOC) edicated Gopher ports.
(???) And, of course, Gopher over TLS or
(???) SSL has been proposed but not ever, to my knowledge, implemented.
(IMG) 'm not really looking for secure Gopher but TLS/SSL would indeed rock.
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) ike,
(???) > Nice. I'll add your site to the new gophers list, and V-2 will seed
(???) > off of that. What would you like the display string to be?
(???)
(???) The Terminal Core is good. (That's a FLCL reference for any anime
(???) fans out there.)
(???) ou could make a second one called Terminal Dogma and get the NGE ones too.
(???) -)
(???) > +ASK could handle the form, but the server would still have to enforce
(???) > the security. I suppose you could have a mole as a front end, but I
(???) > would have to think about the potential gaps in that. Or, you could use
(???) > itemtype 7, though this is a little more opaque.
(???)
(???) So let me ask you this then - does the +ASK form have the ability to
(???) populate a text file? If so then I just thought of something.
(???)
(???) You could have a daemon running in the background that checks the text
(???) file for name:passwd then fires up a server session on a particular
(???) port. The gophermap behind the ask form would have custom links for
(???) each user. The links would only then be active if someone has logged
(???) in via the +ASK form. Put a logoff +ASK form in the user gopherspace
(???) and give the daemon a timeout ability to kill the special server
(???) session and the user gopherspace would then only be available when
(???) someone was properly logged in.
(???)
(???) It's a kludge and it doesn't provide password security but it would
(???) work in theory. (Provided I don't have the capabilities of +
(???) ASK wrong in my head - I'm still very fuzzy on a lot of Gopher stuff.)
(DUP) ASK just describes a form, analogous to HTML <form>. You still have to have
(SND) omething on the other end listening. I am pretty sure pygopherd will allow
(???) mole to receive +ASK arguments (bucktooth doesn't, but that's because I
(DOC) on't support gopher+ yet). Your mole could stick something in that file,
(???) ut it would be better just to have the mole do the firewall gyrations or
(???) hat have you.
(???) > And, of course, Gopher over TLS or
(???) > SSL has been proposed but not ever, to my knowledge, implemented.
(???)
(???) I'm not really looking for secure Gopher but TLS/SSL would indeed rock.
(???) dding that to the round tuit list :)
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(???) n 2010-04-07 18:16, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) > And, of course, Gopher over TLS or
(???) > SSL has been proposed but not ever, to my knowledge, implemented.
(???)
(???) I'm not really looking for secure Gopher but TLS/SSL would indeed rock.
(TN3) LS was one of the things I originally planned for Gophernicus Server,
(???) ut I kinda dropped the idea because I didn't think anyone would be
nterested.
(???) SL (not TLS) is actually really simple with any inetd-compatible
(SND) erver; just run the daemon with stunnel instead of inetd. Done.
(TN3) LS requres support in the server itself, and doing it with inetd is
(???) inda stupid because inetd launches a server process per connection and
nitalizing TLS is slooooow. With regular daemonized servers TLS becomes
(???) asy because you only have to init it once.
(???) r, that's what the big boys told me. I might try doing TLS one of these
(DOC) ays just to see whether the initialization really is that slow.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] A Gopher noob and endless questions. ;-)
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(???) n 2010-04-07 17:59, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > One thing I noticed is that there doesn't seem to be an easy way to
(???) > make a front-end authentication page if you wanted part of your Gopher
(???) > server to be secure. (At least I didn't see a way.)
(???)
(???) Unfortunately no, unless you wrote some custom server that required
(???) signed credentials on each access. This would of course probably demand
(???) a custom client.
(IMG) was planning on doing authenticated directories with type 7 password
(???) ntry dialog but kinda got carried away with other stuff.
(???) nyone really interested in authentcation with gopher0? Shouldn't take
(???) ore than 30 lines of code to get authentication up and running as most
(???) f the code is already there in Gophernicus (sessions are what auth
(???) equires and that's already up and running).
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(???) ameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Mike,
(???)
(???)
(???) >> Nice. I'll add your site to the new gophers list, and V-2 will seed
(???) >> off of that. What would you like the display string to be?
(???) >>
(???) > The Terminal Core is good. (That's a FLCL reference for any anime
(???) > fans out there.)
(???) >
(???)
(???) You could make a second one called Terminal Dogma and get the NGE ones too.
(???) ;-)
(???)
(???) grin* Right now I'm full up on domain names though and being one of
(???) he many unemployed I can't afford to get another name. But I do have 5
(SND) tatics...hmm... ;-)
(???) +ASK just describes a form, analogous to HTML <form>. You still have to have
(???) something on the other end listening. I am pretty sure pygopherd will allow
(???) a mole to receive +ASK arguments (bucktooth doesn't, but that's because I
(???) don't support gopher+ yet). Your mole could stick something in that file,
(???) but it would be better just to have the mole do the firewall gyrations or
(???) what have you.
(???)
(???) iven a choice I'd prefer not to have to do any firewall gyrations
(???) nless necessary. My firewall is nice and stable right now so I don't
(???) ant to screw with it.
(IMG) 'm assuming the term mole is for a back-end script that pygopherd would
(PNG) ass data to?
(IMG) 'm still having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around +ASK and
(GIF) ophermap stuff in general. There doesn't seem to be a good
(SND) tep-by-step how-to out there but considering the clutter on the web
(???) inding anything Gopher related seems a bit difficult.
(IMG) t also doesn't help that I'm very much a visual learner and have to
nterpolate text just to absorb data.
(???) And, of course, Gopher over TLS or
(???) SSL has been proposed but not ever, to my knowledge, implemented.
(???)
(???) > I'm not really looking for secure Gopher but TLS/SSL would indeed rock.
(???) >
(???)
(???) Adding that to the round tuit list :)
(???)
(IMG) have a lot of those right now...
(???) ind a job...finish my custom sonic screwdriver by the 15th...finish
(SND) etting up my BIND servers...empty and re-configure the garden
(???) utside...build my zoneminder server...figure out why my Dallas one-wire
(???) eather unit is reporting massively wrong temps...yeah...just a few. ;-)
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) im Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-04-07 18:16, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???)
(???) >> And, of course, Gopher over TLS or
(???) >> SSL has been proposed but not ever, to my knowledge, implemented.
(???) >
(???) > I'm not really looking for secure Gopher but TLS/SSL would indeed rock.
(???)
(???) TLS was one of the things I originally planned for Gophernicus Server,
(???) but I kinda dropped the idea because I didn't think anyone would be
(???) interested.
(???)
(???) SSL (not TLS) is actually really simple with any inetd-compatible
(???) server; just run the daemon with stunnel instead of inetd. Done.
(???) o how does Gopher deal with that? How does the client recognize
(???) here's a gopher protocol in the SSL stream?
(???) TLS requres support in the server itself, and doing it with inetd is
(???) kinda stupid because inetd launches a server process per connection
(???) and initalizing TLS is slooooow. With regular daemonized servers TLS
(???) becomes easy because you only have to init it once.
(???)
(???) Or, that's what the big boys told me. I might try doing TLS one of
(???) these days just to see whether the initialization really is that slow.
(???) ctually if I were going to learn how to do TLS efficiently I'd look at
(???) he postfix code. It is designed to do TLS and do it fast in case of
(???) hings like mail server timeout and such.
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(???) ike Hebel wrote:
(???) Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > On 2010-04-07 18:16, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) >
(???) >>> And, of course, Gopher over TLS or
(???) >>> SSL has been proposed but not ever, to my knowledge, implemented.
(???) >>
(???) >> I'm not really looking for secure Gopher but TLS/SSL would indeed rock.
(???) >
(???) > TLS was one of the things I originally planned for Gophernicus
(???) > Server, but I kinda dropped the idea because I didn't think anyone
(???) > would be interested.
(???) >
(???) > SSL (not TLS) is actually really simple with any inetd-compatible
(???) > server; just run the daemon with stunnel instead of inetd. Done.
(???)
(???) So how does Gopher deal with that? How does the client recognize
(???) there's a gopher protocol in the SSL stream?
(???) eading up on stunnel I'm now a little more confused. Though I now
(???) nderstand how you could do the Gopher http and make it https using
(SND) tunnel. But unless you were using a local stunnel session......oh I'm
(???) bonehead.
(TN3) hat's what you do isn't it? Use two stunnel sessions one at either
(???) nd. You'd think I'd comprehend a name completely. *headdesk*
(IMG) really need to figure out why I can't have coffee any more...
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] A Gopher noob and endless questions. ;-)
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(???) n 7.4.2010 22:19, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) > SSL (not TLS) is actually really simple with any inetd-compatible
(???) > server; just run the daemon with stunnel instead of inetd. Done.
(???)
(???) So how does Gopher deal with that? How does the client recognize there's
(???) a gopher protocol in the SSL stream?
(TN3) he server doesn't know it's SSL - stunnel converts a secured connection
nto an unsecured one and vice versa. That's pretty much the idea of
(SND) tunnel - convert any existing service into SSL one.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] A Gopher noob and endless questions. ;-)
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(???) n Apr 8, 2010, at 4:28 AM 4/8/10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 7.4.2010 22:19, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???)
(???) >> SSL (not TLS) is actually really simple with any inetd-compatible
(???) >> server; just run the daemon with stunnel instead of inetd. Done.
(???) >
(???) > So how does Gopher deal with that? How does the client recognize
(???) > there's
(???) > a gopher protocol in the SSL stream?
(???)
(???) The server doesn't know it's SSL - stunnel converts a secured
(???) connection into an unsecured one and vice versa. That's pretty much
(???) the idea of stunnel - convert any existing service into SSL one.
(???) eah I got that after a bit. See other post calling myself a
(???) onehead. ;-)
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Proposal for a gopher++ TITLE resource
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(???) im Holviala <kim@holviala.com> writes:
(???) A proposal for a method to include titles in gopher++ menus
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(???) 3. Conforming client requirements
(???)
(???) Conforming clients will use the first info resource with the word
(???) "TITLE" in the selector as the title of the menu. All following TITLE
(???) resources should be ignored.
(???)
(???) Non-conforming clients will see a normal info resource and present it
(???) as normal informational text. This provides near-perfect backwards
(???) compatibility.
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(???) 6. Example code
(???)
(???) The Gophernicus Server version 0.5-beta (and later) automatically
(???) inserts TITLE resources for all menus where a gophermap doesn't
(???) exist. There is also a patch for the NSCA Mosaic 2.7ck8 gopher client
(???) which adds support for parsing & rendering the TITLE resources.
(???)
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/software/patches/gopher++/
(IMG) 'm attaching a patch for lynx 2.8.7 which, if the first item in the
(???) enu is a TITLE info selector, uses its text as the menu title.
(???) Looking for TITLE on other lines looks harder - lynx generates html as
t reads the menu, so using *any* TITLE 'i' selector will require
(???) aching the entire document body so the header can be written last.)
(IMG) t is working with your (gophernicus.org) server, and works as expected
n servers which don't provide TITLEs.
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(???) ontent-Description: Patch which enables TITLE support on lynx 2.8.7
(DOC) iff -ur lynx2-8-7/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTGopher.c lynx2-8-7.gopher/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTGopher.c
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(DUP) ++ lynx2-8-7.gopher/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTGopher.c
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(DUP) int firstline = 1;
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(???) else
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(???) END(HTML_TITLE);
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(???) END(HTML_HEAD);
(???) PUTC('\n');
(???)
(???) START(HTML_BODY);
(???) PUTC('\n');
(???) START(HTML_H1);
(???) if ((title = HTAnchor_title(anAnchor)))
(???)
(???) else
(???)
(???) END(HTML_H1);
(???) PUTC('\n');
(???) START(HTML_PRE);
(???) while ((ich = NEXT_CHAR) != EOF) {
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopher++ TITLE resource propsal, revision 1.1
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(TN3) his is a small revision the original gopher++ TITLE resource proposal
(DOC) ocument; the primary change is to allow more than one TITLE resource.
(???) proposal for a method to include titles in gopher++ menus
(???) ==========================================================
(DIR) . The problem
(???) opher0 (RFC 1436) menus have no titles. When one is browsing around the
(GIF) opherspace this make no difference, but it is a big problem for
(???) ookmarking and for automated crawlers like Veronica-2.
(PHO) . Gopher++ TITLE resource definition
(???) TITLE resource in a gopher++ menu is defined as follows:
(???) filetype - i
(???) name - the actual text of the title
(???) selector - TITLE
(???) host,port - dummy values
(???) TITLE resource is identical to a regular info resource, only the
(SND) elector is set to a specific string, "TITLE".
(???) n example of a TITLE resource in a gopher menu:
Title for this Gopher resource<TAB>TITLE<TAB>dummy.host<TAB>0<CRLF>
(ERR) . Conforming client requirements
(???) conforming client will render any info resource with the word "TITLE"
n the selector field as a title - possibly with a bigger font or with a
(DOC) ifferent color.
(???) TITLE resource on the first line of a menu is considered the main
(???) itle and can be used for example as a window title and in bookmarking.
(???) ll following TITLE resources should be considered subtitles.
(HEX) . Conforming server requirements
(???) conforming server may include one of more TITLE resources in the
(GIF) opher menus it sends to the client. The main TITLE resource must be
(SND) ent as the first line of the menu.
(ARC) . Compatibility
(TN3) he TITLE resource described here should be fully backwards compatible
(???) ith both old gopher servers and clients.
(IMG) f an non-conforming server supports gophermaps, it's possible for an
(???) uthor to include TITLE resources even if the server doesn't
(SND) pecifically support them.
(IMG) f a non-conforming client receives a TITLE resouce, it will simply
(???) ender it as informational text. As the main TITLE must be on the first
(???) ine of a menu it will look like a title to the user even if the client
(DOC) oesn't specifically render it as such.
(UUE) . Example code
(TN3) he Gophernicus Server version 0.5-beta (and later) automatically
nserts TITLE resources for all menus where a gophermap doesn't exist.
(TN3) here is also a patch for the NSCA Mosaic 2.7ck8 gopher client which
(???) dds support for parsing & rendering the TITLE resources.
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/patches/gopher++/
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(IMG) don't normally want to spam everybody with new releases, but since
(???) his version implements stuff that was *cough* deemed impossible I
(???) hought I'd make an exception. I'm sorry about the current state of
(DOC) ocumentation - if you try this you either have to be able to read C
(???) luently, or have the courage to ask me how it works :-).
(???) ownload link:
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???) rimary changes between 0.5 and 0.6:
(???) removed most Linuxisms from the code (tested & working with AIX)
(???) gopher filetypes can be overridden (-e argument + in gophermaps)
(???) output filters (the "impossible" feature)
(???) unning on an ancient version of AIX (IPv6 only host):
(GIF) opher://rs6k.holviala.com/
(???) utput filtering with php5-cli:
(GIF) opher://holviala.com/0/~kimmy/code/gophernicus/testsuite/hello.php
(GIF) opher://holviala.com/0/~kimmy/code/gophernicus/testsuite/phpinfo.php
(???) ive image transcoding (double-check the images you're getting):
(GIF) opher://holviala.com/1/~kimmy/images/
(???) omparison between a transcoded and the original image:
(GIF) opher://holviala.com/I/~kimmy/images/riku.jpg
(GIF) opher://holviala.com/I/~kimmy/images/riku.jpg?raw
(TN3) he output filtering needs a little explanation... By default it's
(???) urned off as it's probably a security risk, but if you want to use it
(???) ou can specify a directory which contains your output filters.
(???) utput filters in that directory are named either by file suffix, or by
(???) he one-char gopher filetype. Any file matching the suffix or filetype
(GIF) ets filtered through that external binary (or script) before it gets
(SND) ent out to the client.
(???) imple, huh?
(???) nyway.. To enable php support all I had to do was to link my php5-cli
(???) inary to the filter directory with the name "php". After that all files
(???) ith the suffix "php" get executed as php scripts.
(???) ln -s /usr/bin/php5-cli /usr/lib/gophernicus/filters/php
(TN3) he live image transcoding was done with this leetle script named "I":
(???) ===================================================================
(???) !/bin/sh
(???) #
(???) # Scale images to a resonable size
(???) #
(???) IZE="800x800>"
(???) ORMAT="GIF"
(???) RC="$1"
(???) CALED=/tmp/`echo "$1" | md5sum | cut -d" " -f1`
(???) Output raw unmodified version
f [ "$QUERY_STRING" = "raw" ]; then
(???) cat "$1"
(???) exit
(???) i
(???) Already converted?
f [ -f "$SCALED" ]; then
(???) cat "$SCALED"
(???) exit
(???) i
(???) Convert & output converted image
(???) usr/bin/convert -geometry "$SIZE" "$1" "$FORMAT:$SCALED"
(???) at "$SCALED"
(???) ===================================================================
(???) ot terribly complicated, and my server hasn't blown up yet...
(???) Kim
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(???) n Apr 11, 2010, at 1:35 PM 4/11/10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I don't normally want to spam everybody with new releases, but since
(???) this version implements stuff that was *cough* deemed impossible I
(???) thought I'd make an exception. I'm sorry about the current state of
(???) documentation - if you try this you either have to be able to read C
(???) fluently, or have the courage to ask me how it works :-).
(???)
(???) Download link:
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???) ince I'm not completely set up under pygopherd I could easily be
(???) onvinced to switch. Will Gophernicus Server build on NetBSD
(???) parc64? Or is that something I need to test and let _you_ know
(???) bout? ;-)
(IMG) 'm assuming since you're using C it's faster and lighter than
(SND) omething like pygopherd?
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) ne's gonna eat your eyes." - Re: Brains, Jonathan Coultan
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(???) n 2010-04-12 05:40, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) Since I'm not completely set up under pygopherd I could easily be
(???) convinced to switch. Will Gophernicus Server build on NetBSD Sparc64? Or
(???) is that something I need to test and let _you_ know about? ;-)
(???) I teach AIX courses for living so I'm allowed to say this :-D )
(IMG) f it works on AIX it works on *ANYTHING*. Seriously, you can't find a
(???) ore fucked up Unix than AIX. And since I've already tested x86_64,
(???) OWER3, POWER4 and ARMv5 I'm pretty sure it works on Sparc64 too.
(???) mm, maybe I'll fire up one of the sparcs in the trash pile today to
(???) ind out? Hee hee.... Actually, I was planning on testing with IRIX/mips
(???) his week so I might as well install NetBSD somewhere and test with it too.
(???) es, my employer lets me do cool stuff when I don't have customer things
(???) r courses going on.
(???) I'm assuming since you're using C it's faster and lighter than something
(???) like pygopherd?
(???) aster and much lighter yes, but the feature sets differ. You just have
(???) o pick the one with features that you need - pygoperd didn't suit my
(???) eeds (and neither did any other existing server) so I made my own.
(TN3) he features I wanted that others I could find didn't:
(???) Full UTF-8 support with optional downconversion to US-ASCII
(???) Full IPv6 support
(???) Full CGI support
(???) Written in C (I despise perl/python daemons)
(???) f course, most people would say that since Gophernicus is written in C
t must be full of buffer overflows :-) but I don't think that's the
(???) ase. It's got integrated strlcpy() from OpenBSD and I think Theo knows
(HTM) is stuff.
(???) Kim
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(???) (I teach AIX courses for living so I'm allowed to say this :-D )
(???) If it works on AIX it works on *ANYTHING*.
(TN3) his is true. However, I'm one of those jackbooted thug (former) sysadmins
(???) hat actually likes AIX. gopher.ptloma.edu and the first incarnation of
(GIF) opher.floodgap.com ran on an Apple Network Server with a heavily modified
(HEX) .1, and that server is still in service sending you this message. I've been
(DOC) rinking the AIX Kool-Aid since 3.2.5, and I'm planning to get a nice new
(???) OWER7 with AIX 6 next year.
(IMG) t drives people up the wall, but I've become accustomed to it, and I miss
(SND) mit when I have to administer other boxen.
(???) Actually, I was planning on testing with IRIX/mips
(???) this week so I might as well install NetBSD somewhere and test with it too.
(IMG) need to get my Indy up and running again. I did dig my Solbourne S3000 out
(???) f the closet (OS/MP, a modified SunOS 4) but it needs a lot of TLC to get
t useful -- I only barely just got YP talking to DNS a week ago.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - E pluribus Unix ------------------------------------------------------------
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(???) n Apr 12, 2010, at 12:33 AM 4/12/10, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > (I teach AIX courses for living so I'm allowed to say this :-D )
(???) > If it works on AIX it works on *ANYTHING*.
(???)
(???) This is true. However, I'm one of those jackbooted thug (former)
(???) sysadmins
(???) that actually likes AIX. gopher.ptloma.edu and the first incarnation
(???) of
(???) gopher.floodgap.com ran on an Apple Network Server with a heavily
(???) modified
(???) 4.1, and that server is still in service sending you this message.
(???) I've been
(???) drinking the AIX Kool-Aid since 3.2.5, and I'm planning to get a
(???) nice new
(???) POWER7 with AIX 6 next year.
(???)
(???) It drives people up the wall, but I've become accustomed to it, and
(???) I miss
(???) smit when I have to administer other boxen.
(TN3) hat is incredibly cool dude. :-)
(???) > Actually, I was planning on testing with IRIX/mips
(???) > this week so I might as well install NetBSD somewhere and test with
(???) > it too.
(???)
(???) I need to get my Indy up and running again. I did dig my Solbourne
(???) S3000 out
(???) of the closet (OS/MP, a modified SunOS 4) but it needs a lot of TLC
(???) to get
(???) it useful -- I only barely just got YP talking to DNS a week ago.
(???) ow you're making me wonder if it could be run on VMS. I have a MVII,
(???) Vaxstation 4000-60, and a set of MVIII boards I've been looking to
nstall. :-)
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) ne's gonna eat your eyes." - Re: Brains, Jonathan Coultan
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(???) n Apr 11, 2010, at 11:04 PM 4/11/10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-04-12 05:40, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???)
(???) > Since I'm not completely set up under pygopherd I could easily be
(???) > convinced to switch. Will Gophernicus Server build on NetBSD
(???) > Sparc64? Or
(???) > is that something I need to test and let _you_ know about? ;-)
(???)
(???) (I teach AIX courses for living so I'm allowed to say this :-D )
(???)
(???) If it works on AIX it works on *ANYTHING*. Seriously, you can't find
(???) a more fucked up Unix than AIX. And since I've already tested
(???) x86_64, POWER3, POWER4 and ARMv5 I'm pretty sure it works on Sparc64
(???) too.
(???) o argument here. I have quite a few friends who have some experience
(???) ith AIX.
(???) Hmm, maybe I'll fire up one of the sparcs in the trash pile today to
(???) find out? Hee hee.... Actually, I was planning on testing with IRIX/
(???) mips this week so I might as well install NetBSD somewhere and test
(???) with it too.
(IMG) wonder if it'll build on NetBSD Cobalt...
(???) Yes, my employer lets me do cool stuff when I don't have customer
(???) things or courses going on.
(TN3) hat is indubitably cool. :-)
(???) > I'm assuming since you're using C it's faster and lighter than
(???) > something
(???) > like pygopherd?
(???)
(???) Faster and much lighter yes, but the feature sets differ. You just
(???) have to pick the one with features that you need - pygoperd didn't
(???) suit my needs (and neither did any other existing server) so I made
(???) my own.
(PNG) ygopherd has been the closest so far. I wanted something lightweight
(???) hat would run on almost anything but Gofish gave me hell processing
(DOC) irectories, Grumpy only runs on Linux and Windows, and the others
(HTM) adn't appeared to have been maintained for years. pygopherd at the
(???) ime seemed like the only option.
(???) The features I wanted that others I could find didn't:
(???)
(???) * Full UTF-8 support with optional downconversion to US-ASCII
(IMG) lose geek points for not knowing what this means. ;-)
(???) * Full IPv6 support
(IMG) t's interesting to see that a server for one of the older protocols
s being developed to work with one of the newer ones still not fully
mplemented everywhere.
(???) * Full CGI support
(TN3) hat in and of itself is just plain useful. But I thought Gopher
(SND) upported CGI out of the box so to speak or am I taking too much
(???) llergy medicine?
(???) * Written in C (I despise perl/python daemons)
(IMG) 'm not a fan of interpreted languages for things like this either.
(IMG) t's annoying from many standpoints especially a dependency one.
(???) Of course, most people would say that since Gophernicus is written
(???) in C it must be full of buffer overflows :-) but I don't think
(???) that's the case. It's got integrated strlcpy() from OpenBSD and I
(???) think Theo knows his stuff.
(TN3) heo is Theo and I trust him to be such. People forget that because
(HTM) e acts the way he does we have one of the most secure operating
(SND) ystems on the planet that runs on a considerable chunk of
(???) rchitecture out there. That is no small feat and I highly respect
(???) hat.
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) n 12.4.2010 9:23, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) > If it works on AIX it works on *ANYTHING*. Seriously, you can't find a
(???) > more fucked up Unix than AIX.
(???)
(???) No argument here. I have quite a few friends who have some experience
(???) with AIX.
(IMG) teach AIX... Of course, those who can, do, those who can't, teach. And =
(???) hose who can't teach, consult.
(IMG) consult AIX stuff too. :-)
(???) nyway, the first thing I say in my AIX courses is that AIX is a =
(???) onderful operating system (which is true), but forget *everything* you =
(???) hought you knew about Unix because if you start doing things the =
(???) nix/POSIX way on AIX you'll break it. I think that AIX is the only Unix =
(???) ith a binary registry for all configurations - that drives Unixy people =
(???) ff the wall...
(???) I wonder if it'll build on NetBSD Cobalt...
(???) orked fine on Linux running on D-Link's DNS-323 running Debian. I don't =
(HTM) ave my Raq 2 anymore - it was just too slow and had too little memory =
(SND) o I sold it.
(???) > * Full UTF-8 support with optional downconversion to US-ASCII
(???)
(???) I lose geek points for not knowing what this means. ;-)
(IMG) have a bunch of comic book covers scanned (so I won't buy double =
(???) opies - I've got a lousy memory). I wanted to serve those out with =
(???) opher, but the names are full of UTF-8 chars like =C4=D6=C5=D6=C4=C5=D6. I=
(???) don't =
(???) hink I found any Gopher server which would have worked with those...
(???) > * Full IPv6 support
(???)
(???) It's interesting to see that a server for one of the older protocols is
(???) being developed to work with one of the newer ones still not fully
(???) implemented everywhere.
(IMG) 've got native IPv6 everywhere, even this company's got it's own /56 =
(???) hich I route to all workstations and servers here. I was just =
(DOC) ownloading *cough* something with bittorrent yesterday and noticed that =
(???) bout 20-30% of peers were on IPv6 which was surprising (Finnish stuff =
(SND) o 100% Finnish peers). Of course, I was the only one with *native* IPv6 =
(???) others were just using 6to4.
(???) > * Full CGI support
(???)
(???) That in and of itself is just plain useful. But I thought Gopher
(???) supported CGI out of the box so to speak or am I taking too much allergy
(???) medicine?
(???) ell, Gopher doesn't support CGI, but it's fairly easy to just implement =
(???) he HTTP CGI spec on top of Gopher.
(???) Kim
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(???) n Monday 12 April 2010 08:57 (CEST), Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I have a bunch of comic book covers scanned (so I won't buy double=20
(???) copies - I've got a lousy memory). I wanted to serve those out with=20
(???) Gopher, but the names are full of UTF-8 chars like =C4=D6=C5=D6=C4=C5=D6.=
(???) I don't=20
(???) think I found any Gopher server which would have worked with those...
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(???) n 12.4.2010 10:11, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) > I have a bunch of comic book covers scanned (so I won't buy double
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(???) > Gopher, but the names are full of UTF-8 chars like =C4=D6=C5=D6=C4=C5=D6=
(???) I don't
(???) > think I found any Gopher server which would have worked with those...
(???)
(???) Grumpy works fine with UTF-8 filenames, if the local filesystem is on UTF=
(???) 8, too.
(???) eah, I know that, now, but I didn't back when I started coding =
(???) ophernicus... :-)
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(???) n 12.4.2010 5:40, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) Since I'm not completely set up under pygopherd I could easily be
(???) convinced to switch. Will Gophernicus Server build on NetBSD Sparc64? Or
(???) is that something I need to test and let _you_ know about? ;-)
(???) s of 0.7-beta it works with NetBSD. It would have worked out of the
(???) ox, but I had a typo inside #ifdef which hadn't triggered before....
(TXT) .7-beta has currently some issues with directory listings so I don't
(???) ecommend it for production, but if you want to try it out you're
(???) elcome to.
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(???) n 12.4.2010 8:33, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) However, I'm one of those jackbooted thug (former) sysadmins
(???) that actually likes AIX.
(???) ee too. I even used AIX with CDE as my main workstation for a while....
(???) ey, I *like* CDE.
(???) and I'm planning to get a nice new POWER7 with AIX 6 next year.
(???) ne other thing that's cool about this company I work for is that we're
(???) ne of the first ones in Europe to get all the latest POWER hardware...
(???) o sign of actual POWER7 hardware yet, though.
(???) It drives people up the wall, but I've become accustomed to it, and I miss
(???) smit when I have to administer other boxen.
(???) mitty rules, that's for sure. Anything else is a pain.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 2010-04-12 12:23, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) As of 0.7-beta it works with NetBSD. It would have worked out of the
(???) box, but I had a typo inside #ifdef which hadn't triggered before....
(???)
(???) 0.7-beta has currently some issues with directory listings so I don't
(???) recommend it for production, but if you want to try it out you're
(???) welcome to.
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/5/software/gophernicus/server/
(TN3) he current 0.7-beta tarball works with NetBSD and doesn't have any
(DOC) irectory listing sorting issues (I scrapped scandir() and replaced it
(???) ith my own directory scanning routine). I also removed the last lone
(???) alloc/free pair, so there's not going to be any double-free problems -
(SND) imply because there's nothing to free (everything runs off stack & heap)!
(???) part from the lousy README it's beginning to be feature-complete so
(???) here won't be much more coming in.
(???) Kim
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(???) eah, me again.
(???) ince I got the server done I promised to start writing clients. But
nstead, I got sidetracked and decided to code a search engine first...
(IMG) got a basic spider up and running (pure POSIX C again) in a couple of
(HTM) ours and succesfully tested it against my own server. Which then first
(???) hrottled me (1-second delay before reply), and after I cleared the
(SND) essions inetd decided that it had enough and kicked me totally out.
(???) o, being slightly viser I inserted some delays to the spidering engine
(???) hich would prevent the killing of the server being spidered.
(???) nd before anyone asks, yes, I'll make it support robots.txt.
(???) nyway, on to a few questions: What kind of spidering rate would the
(???) dmins here accept? The spider will index types 0 and 1 (text documents
(???) nd menus) and currently does three hits per second (actually, a hit and
(???) 1/3 second delay). I think that's too fast - so how does a hit per
(SND) econd sound like? I'll take forever to spider things, but at least it
(???) ouldn't kill anyones server....
(IMG) 'm also thinking about bandwidth limiting, but I need to see if that's
(PNG) ossible (being on the receiving end).
(???) Kim
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(???) Anyway, on to a few questions: What kind of spidering rate would the
(???) admins here accept? The spider will index types 0 and 1 (text documents
(???) and menus) and currently does three hits per second (actually, a hit and
(???) a 1/3 second delay). I think that's too fast - so how does a hit per
(???) second sound like? I'll take forever to spider things, but at least it
(???) wouldn't kill anyones server....
(???) -2 uses five seconds, actually, and it only grabs menus (in keeping with
(???) he original Veronica concept), so it is a pretty low impact spider.
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(???) uggestion:
(???) et the user decide in robots.txt the lowest acceptable delay.
(???) but make sure to have a good default delay)
(???) --
(???) /Alex
(???) Look boys, the graphical part is done. Now we just have to code it!" --tdist
(???) n Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) Yeah, me again.
(???)
(???) Since I got the server done I promised to start writing clients. But
(???) instead, I got sidetracked and decided to code a search engine first...
(???)
(???) I got a basic spider up and running (pure POSIX C again) in a couple of
(???) hours and succesfully tested it against my own server. Which then first
(???) throttled me (1-second delay before reply), and after I cleared the sessions
(???) inetd decided that it had enough and kicked me totally out.
(???)
(???) So, being slightly viser I inserted some delays to the spidering engine
(???) which would prevent the killing of the server being spidered.
(???)
(???) And before anyone asks, yes, I'll make it support robots.txt.
(???)
(???) Anyway, on to a few questions: What kind of spidering rate would the admins
(???) here accept? The spider will index types 0 and 1 (text documents and menus)
(???) and currently does three hits per second (actually, a hit and a 1/3 second
(???) delay). I think that's too fast - so how does a hit per second sound like?
(???) I'll take forever to spider things, but at least it wouldn't kill anyones
(???) server....
(???)
(???) I'm also thinking about bandwidth limiting, but I need to see if that's
(???) possible (being on the receiving end).
(???)
(???)
(???) - Kim
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(???) im Holviala wrote:
(???) Yeah, me again.
(???)
(???) Since I got the server done I promised to start writing clients. But
(???) instead, I got sidetracked and decided to code a search engine first...
(???)
(???) I got a basic spider up and running (pure POSIX C again) in a couple of
(???) hours and succesfully tested it against my own server. Which then first
(???) throttled me (1-second delay before reply), and after I cleared the
(???) sessions inetd decided that it had enough and kicked me totally out.
(???) ou may be interested in
(HTM) ttp://git.complete.org/z-old/gopherbot/
(???) hough my goal was somewhat different; I aimed to archive all of
(GIF) opherspace, not search it. I believe it was actually successful; I
(???) urned some DVDs and shared them with a few people on this mailing list
(???) t the time. IIRC it was about 5 DVDs.
(???) - John
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(???) n Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) though my goal was somewhat different; I aimed to archive all of
(???) gopherspace, not search it. =A0I believe it was actually successful; I
(???) burned some DVDs and shared them with a few people on this mailing list
(???) at the time. =A0IIRC it was about 5 DVDs.
(???) ow large was it in total?
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(SND) t
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(???) n Apr 14, 2010, at 11:18 AM 4/14/10, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM, John Goerzen
(???) <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > though my goal was somewhat different; I aimed to archive all of
(???) > gopherspace, not search it. I believe it was actually successful; I
(???) > burned some DVDs and shared them with a few people on this mailing
(???) > list
(???) > at the time. IIRC it was about 5 DVDs.
(???)
(???) How large was it in total?
(IMG) 'm curious as well. Shared data is backed up data after all. ;-)
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) n 2010-04-14 17:41, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) You may be interested in
(???) http://git.complete.org/z-old/gopherbot/
(???)
(???) though my goal was somewhat different; I aimed to archive all of
(???) gopherspace, not search it.
(IMG) 'm actually doing both, searching and caching (not really archiving).
(???) fter giving it a thought I figured out that indexing offline content is
(???) asier - I can reindex as many times as I want without redownloading.
(IMG) 'd take a look at your code, but it's in Haskell and uses a database....
(???) ctually, the reason I'm doing the search engine is that I've ALWAYS
(???) anted to do my own search engine. And spidering the gopherspace is
(???) ctually fun, unlike spidering the web...
(???) I believe it was actually successful; I
(???) burned some DVDs and shared them with a few people on this mailing list
(???) at the time. IIRC it was about 5 DVDs.
(TN3) hanks for that info - I was wondering about how much disk space I
(SND) hould allocate for the cache...
(???) Kim
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(???) ow. That option actually exists...
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(???) 5 minutes later]
(???) one.
(???) Kim
(???) n 2010-04-14 17:10, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) Suggestion:
(???)
(???) Let the user decide in robots.txt the lowest acceptable delay.
(???)
(???) (but make sure to have a good default delay)
(???)
(???) ---
(???) //Alex
(???) "Look boys, the graphical part is done. Now we just have to code it!" --tdist
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Kim Holviala<kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) > Yeah, me again.
(???) >
(???) > Since I got the server done I promised to start writing clients. But
(???) > instead, I got sidetracked and decided to code a search engine first...
(???) >
(???) > I got a basic spider up and running (pure POSIX C again) in a couple of
(???) > hours and succesfully tested it against my own server. Which then first
(???) > throttled me (1-second delay before reply), and after I cleared the sessions
(???) > inetd decided that it had enough and kicked me totally out.
(???) >
(???) > So, being slightly viser I inserted some delays to the spidering engine
(???) > which would prevent the killing of the server being spidered.
(???) >
(???) > And before anyone asks, yes, I'll make it support robots.txt.
(???) >
(???) > Anyway, on to a few questions: What kind of spidering rate would the admins
(???) > here accept? The spider will index types 0 and 1 (text documents and menus)
(???) > and currently does three hits per second (actually, a hit and a 1/3 second
(???) > delay). I think that's too fast - so how does a hit per second sound like?
(???) > I'll take forever to spider things, but at least it wouldn't kill anyones
(???) > server....
(???) >
(???) > I'm also thinking about bandwidth limiting, but I need to see if that's
(???) > possible (being on the receiving end).
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > - Kim
(???) >
(???) >
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(???) n Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 09:41:49AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) though my goal was somewhat different; I aimed to archive all of
(???) gopherspace, not search it. I believe it was actually successful; I
(???) burned some DVDs and shared them with a few people on this mailing list
(???) at the time. IIRC it was about 5 DVDs.
(???) es, I'm the proud owner of one of said sets :) Soon to be hosted as
(SND) oon as I figure out how to transfer everything to my VM!
(???) --Brian
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(???) inally got it back on line. Same URL:
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(???) et me know if there are connectivity issues.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopher++ scrapped & Internet Archive -style thingy
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(???) s part of my project to code a neat search engine to cover the whole
(???) opherspace I've (partially) crawled sites and snooped and researched a
(???) ot of stuff.
(???) et's just say that the Gopherspace is small, but interesting. I'm glad
(IMG) started crawling :-).
(???) nyway.
(???) hatever I've written about the gopher++ extra headers can now be
(???) onsidered as "obsolete". I found a few live sites which just cannot
(???) ccept anything else than a selector<CRLF> so there's no way I can
nsert extra headers without breaking stuff. Those sites even break with
(???) ype 7 queries (and gopher+) so I'm kind of giving up now.
(???) ll code regarding the header extensions has been scrapped and deleted,
t's all gone for good. The good thing is that my code is now 100%
(???) ompatible with ALL early 90's servers but the bad thing is that the
(???) eat charset conversion thingy is now all gone and we're back to 7-bit
(???) S-ASCII (or non-working Latin/UTF). Oh, well.
(???) s my search engines indexer is an offline one my spider basically
(???) rawls around and saves all type 0&1 files to a local cache hierarcy.
(TN3) his was mostly accidental, but I managed to create something very much
(???) ike The Internet Archive but for gopher. Basically, you give the cache
(???) anager an url and it gives you back the cached page (if it has it) AND
t mangles menus so that as long as the pages are in cache you'll stay
n the cache.
(IMG) t's kind of like a combination of Google's cache and archive.org, only
t works better than either of those...
(???) ere's a cached copy of (partial) Floodgap:
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/cache.q?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com
(IMG) t even cached itself:
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/cache.q?gopher://gophernicus.org
(???) otice how the cached Floodgap is much faster than the original one ;D.
(IMG) wish there was something like this for teh web....
(???) turtleneck shirt mode on>
(???) ne more thing,
(???) /turtleneck>
(IMG) 'll be crawling everything in about a month or so, so now is the time
(???) o fix your robots.txt if you don't want your files to end up in the cache.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gopher++ scrapped & Internet Archive -style thingy
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(???) n Apr 20, 2010, at 4:25 AM 4/20/10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) As part of my project to code a neat search engine to cover the
(???) whole Gopherspace I've (partially) crawled sites and snooped and
(???) researched a lot of stuff.
(???)
(???) Let's just say that the Gopherspace is small, but interesting. I'm
(???) glad I started crawling :-).
(???)
(???) Anyway.
(???)
(???) Whatever I've written about the gopher++ extra headers can now be
(???) considered as "obsolete". I found a few live sites which just cannot
(???) accept anything else than a selector<CRLF> so there's no way I can
(???) insert extra headers without breaking stuff. Those sites even break
(???) with type 7 queries (and gopher+) so I'm kind of giving up now.
(???)
(???) All code regarding the header extensions has been scrapped and
(???) deleted, it's all gone for good. The good thing is that my code is
(???) now 100% compatible with ALL early 90's servers but the bad thing is
(???) that the neat charset conversion thingy is now all gone and we're
(???) back to 7-bit US-ASCII (or non-working Latin/UTF). Oh, well.
(IMG) 'm confused here. Is this the client side of things or the server
(SND) ide? If the goal is to keep Gopher moving forward then why not
(???) reate a better server with an expanded protocol? And if it's just
(???) our servers that do the gopher++ dance then why does it matter if
(???) ther servers don't? Other than crawling the servers don't interact
(???) s far as I can tell. (Unless I'm once again being dense.)
(???) As my search engines indexer is an offline one my spider basically
(???) crawls around and saves all type 0&1 files to a local cache
(???) hierarcy. This was mostly accidental, but I managed to create
(???) something very much like The Internet Archive but for gopher.
(???) Basically, you give the cache manager an url and it gives you back
(???) the cached page (if it has it) AND it mangles menus so that as long
(???) as the pages are in cache you'll stay in the cache.
(???)
(???) It's kind of like a combination of Google's cache and archive.org,
(???) only it works better than either of those...
(???)
(???) Here's a cached copy of (partial) Floodgap:
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/cache.q?gopher://gopher.floodgap.com
(???)
(???) It even cached itself:
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/1/cache.q?gopher://gophernicus.org
(???)
(???) Notice how the cached Floodgap is much faster than the original
(???) one ;D. I wish there was something like this for teh web....
(???)
(???) <turtleneck shirt mode on>
(???) One more thing,
(???) </turtleneck>
(???)
(???) I'll be crawling everything in about a month or so, so now is the
(???) time to fix your robots.txt if you don't want your files to end up
(???) in the cache.
(???) ery cool. :-)
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) ne's gonna eat your eyes." - Re: Brains, Jonathan Coultan
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(???) n 20.4.2010 15:40, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) > Whatever I've written about the gopher++ extra headers can now be
(???) > considered as "obsolete". I found a few live sites which just cannot
(???) > accept anything else than a selector<CRLF> so there's no way I can
(???) > insert extra headers without breaking stuff.
(???) >
(???) > All code regarding the header extensions has been scrapped and
(???) > deleted, it's all gone for good.
(???)
(???) I'm confused here. Is this the client side of things or the server side?
(???) oth. There were servers which didn't want to work with my extra
(HTM) eaders. This would have required detection mechanisms in the clients
(???) do we send teh headers or not?) which would have made clients too
(???) omplicated.
(???) nd if the clients cannot be modified to send extra stuff easily, what's
(???) he point of having extras on the server side?
(TN3) he only way I found that worked was my original suggestion with no
(???) xtra data on the first request line but still extra header lines after
t. This was (rightfully) shot down by people here because it requires
(???) areful timing on the server side and possibly knowledge of the TCP
(PNG) acket sizes on the client side.
(???) If the goal is to keep Gopher moving forward then why not create a
(???) better server with an expanded protocol? And if it's just your servers
(???) that do the gopher++ dance then why does it matter if other servers
(???) don't?
(IMG) think gopher is pretty much on life support now :-) and any change
(???) hat breaks even one of the 150 or so servers still running is not going
nto my code.
(???) ctually, I lied a bit before. I keep very good backups so no code was
(???) ost... I simply got frustrated and deleted all gopher++ traces from my
(???) current development version_. If I ever figure out a way to please
(???) verybody, even the perl one-liner servers that seem to be out there,
(???) hen the code will find it's way back.
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(???) n Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 04:09:49PM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Actually, I lied a bit before. I keep very good backups so no code was
(???) lost... I simply got frustrated and deleted all gopher++ traces from my
(???) _current development version_. If I ever figure out a way to please
(???) everybody, even the perl one-liner servers that seem to be out there,
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(TN3) o assume that every server out there is gopher++-compatible is a
(SND) tretch. If anything, gopher++ is experimental. Is there something
(???) ith gopher++ that makes your search non-backwards-compatible with
(???) legacy" gopher servers?
(???) --Brian
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(???) n 20.4.2010 15:45, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) To assume that every server out there is gopher++-compatible is a
(???) stretch. If anything, gopher++ is experimental.
(???) es, of course.
(???) Is there something
(???) with gopher++ that makes your search non-backwards-compatible with
(???) "legacy" gopher servers?
(???) et's forget the search for a while. This is the problem:
(???) I can add extensions to server side all I want and it won't break
(???) nything - I'm free to experiment with whatever I want
(???) I cannot add anything to the client side of the protocol or old but
(SND) till running servers will break - my gopher++ enchanced Mosaic for
(???) xample refused to browse quite a number of existing sites
(???) hy would I add anything to server-side when I can't add anything
(???) lient-side? I could add a little detection routine to the client, but
(???) hat would make clients complicated and I don't want that (gopher has
(???) nd should have all the brains on the server side).
(???) Kim
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(???) n Apr 20, 2010, at 8:49 AM 4/20/10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > Is there something
(???) > with gopher++ that makes your search non-backwards-compatible with
(???) > "legacy" gopher servers?
(???)
(???) Let's forget the search for a while. This is the problem:
(???)
(???) * I can add extensions to server side all I want and it won't break
(???) anything - I'm free to experiment with whatever I want
(???) shrug* So add what you want.
(???) * I cannot add anything to the client side of the protocol or old
(???) but still running servers will break - my gopher++ enchanced Mosaic
(???) for example refused to browse quite a number of existing sites
(???) ait...what? You can't tell your client to only activate Gopher++
(???) hen it sees your server? Isn't there _any_ sort of identification
(???) ethod in the server protocol that gives you the server software name?
(???) Why would I add anything to server-side when I can't add anything
(???) client-side? I could add a little detection routine to the client,
(???) but that would make clients complicated and I don't want that
(???) (gopher has and should have all the brains on the server side).
(???) ell how about this - make the Gopher++ identification file based. If
(???) he client detects gophernicus.txt then enable Gopher++ for that
(SND) ession otherwise don't.
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) n 20.4.2010 18:40, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) > * I cannot add anything to the client side of the protocol or old but
(???) > still running servers will break - my gopher++ enchanced Mosaic for
(???) > example refused to browse quite a number of existing sites
(???)
(???) Wait...what? You can't tell your client to only activate Gopher++ when
(???) it sees your server? Isn't there _any_ sort of identification method in
(???) the server protocol that gives you the server software name?
(TN3) here's the little difference between a 20-line patch and a 200-line
(PNG) atch to an existing client. Identification requires a lot more code and
(IMG) just wanted to have a few simple additions.
(???) Well how about this - make the Gopher++ identification file based. If
(???) the client detects gophernicus.txt then enable Gopher++ for that session
(???) otherwise don't.
(TN3) hat requires keeping state in the client which I don't want to require.
(???) ight now a gopher client doesn't have to keep ANY state between page loads.
(???) ---
(IMG) t's easy to send extra data from the server to the client in 100%
(???) ackwards-compatible way (type 1 menus have a lot of unused space for
(SND) ideband data). My TITLE resource proposal was an example of this - it
(DOC) oesn't break ANY existing client, no matter how old and simple.
(???) ut, I need a way to do the opposite - I need a way for a client to send
(???) xtra data to the server in such way that old servers won't break. I
(HTM) aven't found a solution to this yet - and I mean a solution that
(DOC) oesn't require probing and keeping state in the client.
(???) Kim
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(???) im Holviala wrote:
(???) On 20.4.2010 18:40, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???)
(???) >> * I cannot add anything to the client side of the protocol or old but
(???) >> still running servers will break - my gopher++ enchanced Mosaic for
(???) >> example refused to browse quite a number of existing sites
(???) >
(???) > Wait...what? You can't tell your client to only activate Gopher++ when
(???) > it sees your server? Isn't there _any_ sort of identification method in
(???) > the server protocol that gives you the server software name?
(???)
(???) There's the little difference between a 20-line patch and a 200-line
(???) patch to an existing client. Identification requires a lot more code
(???) and I just wanted to have a few simple additions.
(???) eah but once it's done it's done. Regardless I'm amazed and grateful
(???) or the coding you _do_ on this stuff. It's just plain cool. :-)
(???) Well how about this - make the Gopher++ identification file based. If
(???) > the client detects gophernicus.txt then enable Gopher++ for that session
(???) > otherwise don't.
(???)
(???) That requires keeping state in the client which I don't want to
(???) require. Right now a gopher client doesn't have to keep ANY state
(???) between page loads.
(???) ut we're talking about _your_ client here. If you have to keep a state
(???) ust for _your_ type of server I can't see that as too bad a thing. And
(???) rom reading the stuff about spidering you already have a caching
(???) outine handy...
(???) ----
(???)
(???) It's easy to send extra data from the server to the client in 100%
(???) backwards-compatible way (type 1 menus have a lot of unused space for
(???) sideband data). My TITLE resource proposal was an example of this - it
(???) doesn't break ANY existing client, no matter how old and simple.
(???)
(???) But, I need a way to do the opposite - I need a way for a client to
(???) send extra data to the server in such way that old servers won't
(???) break. I haven't found a solution to this yet - and I mean a solution
(???) that doesn't require probing and keeping state in the client.
(TN3) he only way I can see this coming about is the one thing you don't want
(???) o do - probe the server for identification and then keep the server
(SND) tate for that host+session. I can't think of any other way it could be
(DOC) one.
(???) note on your comment about "life support". I've been in the industry
(???) bout about 20 years now (currently "in transition" *cough*) and it
(SND) eems to me there is a need for a simple, lightweight, easily
(???) onfigurable, easy to use, file serving method. FTP is a nightmare,
(???) FTP is sometimes blocked by ISPs/netnannys, and bittorrent is actively
(???) eing hammered into the ground as fast as the media companies can do
t. (I don't think it'll go away but it certainly will be throttled to
(???) ll hell.)
(???) ow add to all this that we're getting closer to IPv6 where _everyone_
(HTM) as a public IP. That means potentially everyone is a server. A
(???) odified form of Gopher could easily fill that role.
(DIR) ) Store files in the "Gopher Hole" on your desktop that can not be
(SND) hared by other means via whatever O/S security method is available.
(PHO) ) That "hole" is shared only by Gopher+++ out to the world on your IPv6.
(IMG) t wouldn't be a file transfer mechanism but rather a pure "read only"
(???) ay to serve up files to friends and family using a simple server on
(???) our end and a simple client on theirs. (Standalone/runnable not
(HTM) ave-to-install.)
(???) -
(???) ike
(???) anamana!
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(???) ell it's a simple one but I got around to making a gophermap file:
(GIF) opher://www.terminalcore.net/
(???) ould somebody mind checking a couple of the links to see if they work
(???) kay?
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(???) n Apr 20, 2010, at 5:35 PM 4/20/10, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) Well it's a simple one but I got around to making a gophermap file:
(???)
(???) gopher://www.terminalcore.net/
(???)
(???) Would somebody mind checking a couple of the links to see if they
(???) work okay?
(???) r...well that was stunningly stupid. I put the actual file paths in
(???) here not the relative ones. Should be working fine now.
(IMG) 'm intending to add more stuff later.
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(IMG) s there source code available for a gopher search engine that indexes
(???) ot only selectors but content? Jugtail looked promising, but it only
ndexes selectors. Does Veronica index content?
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(???) Is there source code available for a gopher search engine that indexes
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(???) eronica-2 does not. However, I am planning to extend the keyword search
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(???) n Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 08:23:13PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > Is there source code available for a gopher search engine that indexes
(???) > not only selectors but content? Jugtail looked promising, but it only
(???) > indexes selectors. Does Veronica index content?
(???)
(???) Veronica-2 does not. However, I am planning to extend the keyword search
(???) to include i itemtypes within a menu, which it currently doesn't do.
(???) K, thanks. I'm looking at the jugtail code...it doesn't look too
(DOC) ifficult to add a feature to index text files. I'm not trying to
(???) uild a search engine...I simply want to be able to index a single
(SND) ite and provide faster access than a mole that greps its way through
(???) he files.
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(???) > > Is there source code available for a gopher search engine that indexes
(???) > > not only selectors but content? Jugtail looked promising, but it only
(???) > > indexes selectors. Does Veronica index content?
(???) >
(???) > Veronica-2 does not. However, I am planning to extend the keyword search
(???) > to include i itemtypes within a menu, which it currently doesn't do.
(???)
(???) OK, thanks. I'm looking at the jugtail code...it doesn't look too
(???) difficult to add a feature to index text files. I'm not trying to
(???) build a search engine...I simply want to be able to index a single
(???) site and provide faster access than a mole that greps its way through
(???) the files.
(IMG) know that Chris@hal (rip) had played with local-veronica but I don't
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(???) n 2010-04-21 01:43, Mike Hebel wrote:
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(???) On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:35 PM 4/20/10, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???)
(???) > Well it's a simple one but I got around to making a gophermap file:
(???) >
(???) > gopher://www.terminalcore.net/
(???) >
(???) > Would somebody mind checking a couple of the links to see if they work
(???) > okay?
(???)
(???) Er...well that was stunningly stupid. I put the actual file paths in
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(???)
(???) I'm intending to add more stuff later.
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(???) n 2010-04-21 05:13, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) Is there source code available for a gopher search engine that indexes
(???) not only selectors but content?
(IMG) 'm currently coding my own search engine which will eventually be
(???) eleased under the BSD license. It indexes types 0 and 1, or text files
(???) nd menus.
(???) ut it will take maybe a month or so before it's up and running in such
(???) ay that I can relese anything.... The crawler works ok but the indexer
(???) nd the search need a lot more work.
(???) nd yes, this search can be limited to one site only.
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(???) You might want to manually wrap the long lines to 70 wide or so - most
(???) gopher clients can't autowrap menus.
(IMG) 've found the magic number seems to be around 66. This works with UMN
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(???) n Apr 21, 2010, at 8:02 AM 4/21/10, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > You might want to manually wrap the long lines to 70 wide or so -
(???) > most
(???) > gopher clients can't autowrap menus.
(???)
(???) I've found the magic number seems to be around 66. This works with UMN
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(???) o you have to do this manually or is there a wrap command for the
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(???) > I've found the magic number seems to be around 66. This works with UMN
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(???)
(???) Do you have to do this manually or is there a wrap command for the
(???) gophermap file?
(???) o, this must be done manually. I don't have any wrapping or text
(PNG) ost-processing on purpose so What You Type Is What You Get.
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(???) n Apr 21, 2010, at 9:41 AM 4/21/10, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) >> I've found the magic number seems to be around 66. This works with
(???) >> UMN
(???) >> gopher also.
(???) >
(???) > Do you have to do this manually or is there a wrap command for the
(???) > gophermap file?
(???)
(???) No, this must be done manually. I don't have any wrapping or text
(???) post-processing on purpose so What You Type Is What You Get.
(TN3) hought so. Already wrapped most of the lines so it should be good.
(???) nd yes I'll stop by in #gopherproject when I get a chance.
(???) Currently being attacked by laundry.)
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(???) n 2010-04-21 18:39, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) > No, this must be done manually. I don't have any wrapping or text
(???) > post-processing on purpose so What You Type Is What You Get.
(???)
(???) Thought so. Already wrapped most of the lines so it should be good.
(???) ooks good to me now. If you want to automate wrapping and you're using
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(???) Kim
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(???) n Apr 21, 2010, at 10:57 AM 4/21/10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-04-21 18:39, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???)
(???) >> No, this must be done manually. I don't have any wrapping or text
(???) >> post-processing on purpose so What You Type Is What You Get.
(???) >
(???) > Thought so. Already wrapped most of the lines so it should be good.
(???)
(???) Looks good to me now. If you want to automate wrapping and you're
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(???)
(???) $ fold -s -w66 gophermap > gophermap.wrapped
(IMG) 'll have to remember that. Thanks!
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(IMG) 'm archiving Teh Gopher. All of it - well all textual searchable
nformation, not binaries nor images...
(???) urrently the archive has around 12000 files, but more files are
(DOC) ownloaded every day. It's going to take about a month to download
(???) verything, but that's only because my crawler is trying to be nice and
(???) on't download big sites in on go....
(IMG) t's pretty easy to use, just go to gophernicus.org, select "Browse Teh
(???) rchive" link and type in a hostname (or a full URL). You'll be browsing
(???) he archive in no time....
(???) ...]
(???) eah, I was bored. Below's the blurb I wrote as a foreword to teh archive.
(???) Kim
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(TN3) he Gopher Archive is a project that happened accidentally. I wasn't
(GIF) oing to archive all of Gopher, I was just doing a search engine.
(???) eally, I was.
(???) nyway, one day after crawling through thousands of Gopher documents I
(???) ealized that I had no reason to delete those files, and that I could
(GIF) ive folks easy access to those cached copies and call it "an archive".
(TN3) hen I got greedy - I decided that it wasn't just any old archive, it
(???) as going to be "The Archive". Mostly because there wasn't anything
(???) lse around.... Of course, only after calling it The Archive I realized
(???) hat I'm about 20 years too late, but that's ok. I like doing archaic
(???) hings like The Archive. Then again, I like playing with LEGOs too.
(IMG) nterface to the archive is pretty simple. Just copy&paste the below
(???) ddress to your favorite Gopher client, type in any hostname or a full
(???) RL into the query box that hopefully pops up and off you go. As long
(???) s the pages are found from the archive you'll stay there, and if you
(HTM) appen to find a link that points to a place that hasn't bee archived
(???) yet) that's ok too - you'll be transparently redirected to the
(???) riginal server (hopefully its still alive).
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/7/archive.q
(TN3) hat's about it. For a slightly easier to remember address just open
(???) p gophernicus.org and select the "Browse The Gopher Archive" link.
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(???) n 2010-04-20 21:47, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) > But, I need a way to do the opposite - I need a way for a client to
(???) > send extra data to the server in such way that old servers won't
(???) > break.
(???) >
(???) The only way I can see this coming about is the one thing you don't want
(???) to do - probe the server for identification and then keep the server
(???) state for that host+session. I can't think of any other way it could be
(???) done.
(IMG) think you're right...
(???) amn.
(???) ow writing patches to old clients suddenly became really freaking
(???) omplicated.
(???) seems to me there is a need for a simple, lightweight, easily
(???) configurable, easy to use, file serving method. FTP is a nightmare, SFTP
(???) is sometimes blocked by ISPs/netnannys, and bittorrent is actively being
(???) hammered into the ground as fast as the media companies can do it.
(IMG) agree. Unfortunately it's going to be HTTP, or maybe WebDAV.
(???) Now add to all this that we're getting closer to IPv6 where _everyone_
(???) has a public IP.
(???) ey, hey, I have that! So does everybody at my office, and they don't
(???) ven know it :-).
(???) That means potentially everyone is a server. A modified
(???) form of Gopher could easily fill that role.
(???) opher lacks stuff like file sizes and downloading ranges... HTTP does
(???) oth which means it's going to be easier to implement.
(IMG) think just moving the gopher menu (type 1 document) over to HTTP
(PNG) rotocol would be the easier than adding stuff to the goher protocol.
(???) ut that doesn't sound good either...
(???) .. so I think I'll just work with what I have, and that's RFC1436.
(???) Kim
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(???) n Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:09:09PM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I'm archiving Teh Gopher. All of it - well all textual searchable
(???) information, not binaries nor images...
(TN3) he next logical step would be to set up a mechanism to mirror the
(???) rchive, because we all know what happens when one large repository
(SND) uddenly goes down for what will likely be forever (hal3000.cx,
(???) nyone)?
(???) TW, seeing as V-2 source code isn't available, I'm working on some
(???) odifications to jugtail to index site content (currently, it only indexes
(SND) electors). I'd be open to alternatives if you know of something
(???) hat's already available. (I'm hosting an archive of a 2nd Amendment
(???) ailing list, and it's rather useless without the ability to search
(???) essage content.)
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) I'm archiving Teh Gopher. All of it - well all textual searchable
(???) information, not binaries nor images...
(IMG) 'd be interested in the images part, wanna cluster up? You could feed
(???) e the paths and I'd archive them.
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(???) BTW, seeing as V-2 source code isn't available,
(???) ventually it will be, just as a note. However, there are a number of things
(IMG) can do better in it and I want to do them before I make it public.
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(???) I think just moving the gopher menu (type 1 document) over to HTTP
(???) protocol would be the easier than adding stuff to the goher protocol.
(???) But that doesn't sound good either...
(???) trictly speaking, I think there is already a MIME type officially for it.
(???) o tunnelling gopher through HTTP is not so weird, but it does make clients
(???) ore complex than they should be.
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(???) n 2010-04-22 23:07, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:09:09PM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > I'm archiving Teh Gopher. All of it - well all textual searchable
(???) > information, not binaries nor images...
(???)
(???) The next logical step would be to set up a mechanism to mirror the
(???) archive, because we all know what happens when one large repository
(???) suddenly goes down for what will likely be forever (hal3000.cx,
(???) anyone)?
(IMG) actually emailed the admin of hal3000 yesterday asking for a change to
(???) irror the site...
(???) hat if I open up rsync for the data repository? It's all flat files,
(???) OTS of them and it's quite easy to parse even without my code...
(???) .. which will be released under the BSD license.
(???) BTW, seeing as V-2 source code isn't available, I'm working on some
(???) modifications to jugtail to index site content (currently, it only indexes
(???) selectors). I'd be open to alternatives if you know of something
(???) that's already available. (I'm hosting an archive of a 2nd Amendment
(???) mailing list, and it's rather useless without the ability to search
(???) message content.)
(???) ell, my search engine is only half done, but it indexes menus,
nfolines and text/html. Maybe a month and it's done.
(???) Kim
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(???) eems that it's all gone...
(???) Kim
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(TN3) o: Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com>
(???) es that would be me, and No I don't have anything left, the Hard drive
(???) ailed on the gopher box. I no longer maintain a public gopher sorry.
(???) hris
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) Do you happen to be by any change the admin to hal3000's gopher server?
(???)
(???) I'm archiving the gopherspace and your (if it's yours) server had a lot
(???) of good information in it and it's a shame I didn't get to archive any
(???) of it....
(???)
(???) Any possibility of getting it back online for spidering?
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) - Kim
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(???) n 22.4.2010 23:07, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) > I'm archiving Teh Gopher. All of it - well all textual searchable
(???) > information, not binaries nor images...
(???)
(???) The next logical step would be to set up a mechanism to mirror the
(???) archive, because we all know what happens when one large repository
(???) suddenly goes down for what will likely be forever (hal3000.cx,
(???) anyone)?
(???) eplace $ROOT with whatever directory you want to keep the files in.
(???) rsync rsync.gophernicus.org::archive/
(DOC) rwxr-xr-x 4096 2010/04/19 15:51:09 .
(DOC) rwxr-xr-x 4096 2010/04/23 01:06:42 sites
(???) rsync -avz --progress rsync.gophernicus.org::archive/ $ROOT/
(???) eceiving incremental file list
(???) reated directory $ROOT
(???) /
(SND) ites/
(SND) ites/last
(???) 29 100% 28.32kB/s 0:00:00 (xfer#1, to-check=1066/1069)
(SND) ites/1/
(SND) ites/1/155.198.1.33:70/
(SND) ites/3/
(SND) ites/3/gopher.386server.info:70/
(???) ...]
(???) rchive directory structure is pretty simple: all of the sites are
(???) nder, uh, sites/ (more directories are coming under there) and they are
(GIF) rouped by the first letter of the primary domain name.
(???) o for example gopher.floodgap.com's port 70 can be found from
(???) ROOT/sites/f/gopher.floodgap.com:70/
(???) nder the site directory there are one or more subdirectories, the
(???) rchived files are under the cache/ directory. Under there you have
(???) ne-letter directories which present the first letter of the md5 sum of
(???) he original selector. The actual downloaded files are saved with the
(SND) elector-md5summed filename and have some mime headers, dual CRLF's and
(???) bit-perfect unmodified copy of the original file.
(???) h, complicated.
(???) et's take this file from floodgap:
(???) archive/walnut-creek-cd-simtel/BEEHIVE/MYZ80/00-INDEX.TXT
(???) printf "/archive/walnut-creek-cd-simtel/BEEHIVE/MYZ80/00-INDEX.TXT" |
(???) d5sum
(???) 9c26adf54530a785378971bbac7cd23 -
(???) ls -la
(???) ROOT/sites/f/gopher.floodgap.com\:70/cache/e/e9c26adf54530a785378971bbac7cd23
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 kimmy users 1334 2010-04-23 14:12
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(???) head -20
(???) ROOT/sites/f/gopher.floodgap.com:70/cache/e/e9c26adf54530a785378971bbac7cd23
(???) ocation:
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(???) ost: gopher.floodgap.com:70
(???) iletype: 0
(???) elector: /archive/walnut-creek-cd-simtel/BEEHIVE/MYZ80/00-INDEX.TXT
(???) eferer:
(GIF) opher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/1/archive/walnut-creek-cd-simtel/BEEHIVE/MYZ80
(???) ame: 00-INDEX.TXT
(TN3) itle: /archive/walnut-creek-cd-simtel/BEEHIVE/MYZ80/00-INDEX.TXT
(???) ate: 2010-Apr-23 11:12
(TN3) imestamp: 1272021150
(???) ize: 892
(???) YZ80111.ZIP 105339 05-22-93 V1.11 Of Simeon Cran's CP/M emulator
(???) or the
(???) | PC. This is Simeon Crans' complete CP/M
(???) | package for the PC. It needs a 286 (or
(???) | better) to run and is packed with goodies,
(???) | such as the ability to run CP/M 2.2 or
(ERR) .0,
(???) | 32-bit processor aware, multitasker aware,
(???) | ADM3A/Televideo emulation, complete key
(???) | re-mapping, etc etc. You've tried the
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(???) | now try the BEST!! I haven't seen a better
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(???) n 23.4.2010 0:05, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) > I'm archiving Teh Gopher. All of it - well all textual searchable
(???) > information, not binaries nor images...
(???)
(???) I'd be interested in the images part, wanna cluster up? You could feed
(???) me the paths and I'd archive them.
(IMG) t's easier for me to change my code to be binary-clean and download
mages than to feed image url:s anywhere (thanks to a few design decisions).
(???) o, I just started modifying to code to archive images as well. It
(DOC) idn't work yet as I apparently didn't find all the 8bit dirty blocks of
(???) ode yet :-D.
(???) nyway, I'll probably start archiving images this coming weekend once I
(GIF) et the code up and running. You can then rsync the whole cache to your
(???) achine if you want.
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(???) n Wednesday 21 April 2010 17:57:54 Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-04-21 18:39, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) >> No, this must be done manually. I don't have any wrapping or text
(???) >> post-processing on purpose so What You Type Is What You Get.
(???) >
(???) > Thought so. Already wrapped most of the lines so it should be good.
(???)
(???) Looks good to me now. If you want to automate wrapping and you're using
(???) some kind of *nix, you can use something like this:
(???)
(???) $ fold -s -w66 gophermap > gophermap.wrapped
(???)
(???) e warned though: this one might bite you with selector lines longer than 66
(???) hars as well and wraps those as well...
(???) TH,
(???) lorian
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(???) ust like that.
(???) ad.
(???) n Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 06:39:00AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Seems that it's all gone...
(???)
(???) - Kim
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -------- Original Message --------
(???) Subject: Re: gopher://hal3000.cx dead?
(???) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:43:44 -0500 (CDT)
(???) From: chris@hal3000.cx
(???) To: Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com>
(???)
(???) Yes that would be me, and No I don't have anything left, the Hard drive
(???) failed on the gopher box. I no longer maintain a public gopher sorry.
(???) Chris
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(???) n 2010-04-23 15:53, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) about archiving images]
(???) So, I just started modifying to code to archive images as well. It
(???) didn't work yet as I apparently didn't find all the 8bit dirty blocks of
(???) code yet :-D.
(TN3) urns out it was archiving images just fine, it was just the cache
(???) etrieval (output) routine that wasn't 8-bit clean...
(IMG) t's working now, and I'm archiving images too.
(???) Kim
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) Just like that.
(IMG) t's possible I have it when I spidered and archived gopherspace a few
(???) ears ago. What year did the service go up, do you think?
(???)
(???) Sad.
(???)
(???) On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 06:39:00AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > Seems that it's all gone...
(???) >
(???) > - Kim
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > -------- Original Message --------
(???) > Subject: Re: gopher://hal3000.cx dead?
(???) > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:43:44 -0500 (CDT)
(???) > From: chris@hal3000.cx
(???) > To: Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com>
(???) >
(???) > Yes that would be me, and No I don't have anything left, the Hard drive
(???) > failed on the gopher box. I no longer maintain a public gopher sorry.
(???) > Chris
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(???) n Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>wrote:
(???) Brian Koontz wrote:
(???)
(???) > Just like that.
(???) >
(???)
(???) It's possible I have it when I spidered and archived gopherspace a few
(???) years ago. What year did the service go up, do you think?
(IMG) 'm not sure, but I think it was up when you made your archive. (I just
(???) ooked it up on the mailing-list archive; it looks like hal3000.cx has been
(???) round since 2003.)
(???) lso, I know it's not much, but I have to phlogging scripts and a recipe
(???) rom hal3000.cx hosted on my SDF gopher. They are here:
(GIF) opher://sdf.org/0/users/wt/soft/gopher/phlogit.sh
(GIF) opher://sdf.org/0/users/wt/soft/gopher/phloginator.sh
(GIF) opher://sdf.org/0/users/wt/Recipes/Switchel.txt
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(???) br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM, John G=
(???) erzen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org" targe=
(???) =3D"_blank">jgoerzen@complete.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
(SND) s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px sol=
d rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) rian Koontz wrote:<br>
(???) blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
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(???) ust like that.<br>
(???) /blockquote>
(???) br>
(IMG) t's possible I have it when I spidered and archived gopherspace a few =
(???) ears ago. =C2=A0What year did the service go up, do you think?</blockquote=
(???) <div><br>I'm not sure, but I think it was up when you made your archiv=
(???) .=C2=A0 (I just looked it up on the mailing-list archive; it looks like <a=
(???) href=3D"http://hal3000.cx">hal3000.cx</a> has been around since 2003.)<br>
(???) br>Also, I know it's not much, but I have to phlogging scripts and a r=
(???) cipe from <a href=3D"http://hal3000.cx">hal3000.cx</a> hosted on my SDF go=
(PNG) her.=C2=A0 They are here:<br><br>gopher://<a href=3D"http://sdf.org/0/user=
(SND) /wt/soft/gopher/phlogit.sh">sdf.org/0/users/wt/soft/gopher/phlogit.sh</a><=
(???) r>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://sdf.org/0/users/wt/soft/gopher/phloginator.sh">s=
(DOC) f.org/0/users/wt/soft/gopher/phloginator.sh</a><br>gopher://<a href=3D"htt=
(PNG) ://sdf.org/0/users/wt/Recipes/Switchel.txt">sdf.org/0/users/wt/Recipes/Swi=
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(???) ohn Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) It's possible I have it when I spidered and archived gopherspace a few
(???) years ago. What year did the service go up, do you think?
(???)
(???) >> -------- Original Message --------
(???) >> Subject: Re: gopher://hal3000.cx dead?
(???) >> From: chris@hal3000.cx
(???) >> To: Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com>
(???) >>
(???) >> Yes that would be me, and No I don't have anything left, the Hard drive
(???) >> failed on the gopher box. I no longer maintain a public gopher sorry.
(IMG) think hal3000.cx was already up when I started messing around with gopher
(???) ack in April of 2003 so you likely have most of it on your DVD archive. At
(SND) ome point the stuff from jumpjet moved to hal3000; depending on when that
(HTM) appened, you may need to pull stuff from the former as well to fully/mostly
(???) ecreate what was on the latter.
(???) heers,
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(???) n Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:17:32PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) >Just like that.
(???)
(???) It's possible I have it when I spidered and archived gopherspace a few
(???) years ago. What year did the service go up, do you think?
(???) ccording to the m/l archives, you linked to it from quux.org in Nov.
(???) f 2004.
(???) uess it's time to get those DVDs online!
(IMG) s anyone else hosting the content of John's DVDs? A couple of
(???) irrors would probably be useful.
(???) --Brian
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(???) n 2010-04-25 17:45, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) According to the m/l archives, you linked to it from quux.org in Nov.
(???) of 2004.
(???)
(???) Guess it's time to get those DVDs online!
(???)
(???) Is anyone else hosting the content of John's DVDs? A couple of
(???) mirrors would probably be useful.
(???) on't have the DVD's, but I've got terabytes of available storage that I
(???) an use for mirroring....
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(???) K, I'm confused. Can someone explain, in a few words, what is going
(???) n with Firefox support for gopher? Last I heard, it was going away.
(???) ow there is talk of a JS implementation. As of 3.5.7, gopher still
(SND) eems to work. But at some point, it won't? Or it still will?
(???) asn't there someone at some point emphatically calling for gopher's
mmediate removal from the FF code base? What happened to him?
(???) ow there's mention of gopher in fennec. Does that mean that gopher
(???) ill only be available on mobile devices? And that it will no longer
(???) e available to non-mobile devices?
(???) hy does this have to be so difficult?
(???) The last question was rhetorical.)
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(???) OK, I'm confused. Can someone explain, in a few words, what is going
(???) on with Firefox support for gopher? Last I heard, it was going away.
(???) Now there is talk of a JS implementation. As of 3.5.7, gopher still
(???) seems to work. But at some point, it won't? Or it still will?
(???) Wasn't there someone at some point emphatically calling for gopher's
(???) immediate removal from the FF code base? What happened to him?
(???)
(???) Now there's mention of gopher in fennec. Does that mean that gopher
(???) will only be available on mobile devices? And that it will no longer
(???) be available to non-mobile devices?
(???) s I understand it, since I'm still actively following 388195, there may
(???) e a period of time where Gopher disappears temporarily pending transition
(???) o the new Electrolysis architecture. Fennec is the most likely to have
(???) his happen, since it is on a faster track. However, based on my private
(???) -mail discussions, it seems likely that it will be restored in a different
(???) orm. See my and Jason Duell's discussions in the Bugzilla thread.
(TN3) hat said, Firefox 3.6.3 still has Gopher support in it.
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(???) n 04/25/2010 09:45 AM, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:17:32PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) >> Just like that.
(???) >
(???) > It's possible I have it when I spidered and archived gopherspace a few
(???) > years ago. What year did the service go up, do you think?
(???)
(???) According to the m/l archives, you linked to it from quux.org in Nov.
(???) of 2004.
(???)
(???) Guess it's time to get those DVDs online!
(IMG) will try to find them sometime this week. I have a copy in my safe
(DOC) eposit box, and also a copy at home.... somewhere. I believe I also
(???) ailed a copy to Cameron back then.
(???) erhaps Cameron and I can seed a torrent for those of you with terabytes
(???) f space on a server...
(???) - John
(???)
(???) Is anyone else hosting the content of John's DVDs? A couple of
(???) mirrors would probably be useful.
(???)
(???) --Brian
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(???) I will try to find them sometime this week. I have a copy in my safe
(???) deposit box, and also a copy at home.... somewhere. I believe I also
(???) mailed a copy to Cameron back then.
(???) es, I have them. They are in my little data center.
(TN3) he problem is that my uplink is really constrained these days, and the
(???) nly torrent-capable system doesn't read DVDs. So I'll need to copy these
(???) ff somewhere first, which will take a bit.
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(???) Perhaps Cameron and I can seed a torrent for those of you with terabytes of
(???) space on a server...
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(???) -- John
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(???) Well, I can't currently host more than a tiny fraction of the archive, but
(IMG) 'd love to get a copy of the archive. I missed out on getting the DVDs.
(???) esley
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(IMG) know Gopher can do CGI in some cases but could it do CSS as well?
(TN3) he reason I ask is that someone sent me a link to a cool page of
(???) othing but CSS examples with the same functionality as javascript:
(HTM) ttp://speckyboy.com/2010/04/26/30-pure-css-alternatives-to-javascript/
(???) egardless I think it's cool that you don't need javascript or flash
(???) o do funky site stuff. :-)
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(???) ike Hebel <nimitz@nimitzbrood.com> writes:
(???) I know Gopher can do CGI in some cases but could it do CSS as well?
(???) hat needs to understand CSS and HTML is the "viewer", the client. As
(GIF) opher itself just transfers files, menus, data, there should be no
(PNG) roblem.
(IMG) suppose (e.g.) Firefox will do it, as it is a HTML+CSS+JavaScript
(???) ebbrowser which also supports gopher. IIRC, you just need to use full
(???) RLs (relative won't work, as there is no such thing as a RFC path
(SND) eparator).
(???) The reason I ask is that someone sent me a link to a cool page of
(???) nothing but CSS examples with the same functionality as javascript:
(???)
(???) http://speckyboy.com/2010/04/26/30-pure-css-alternatives-to-javascript/
(???)
(???) Regardless I think it's cool that you don't need javascript or flash
(???) to do funky site stuff. :-)
(TN3) hat has been possible for a while, but the sad thing is really that
(???) ebmasters and webmaster-wannabes don't know that.
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(???) n Monday 26 April 2010 17:28 (CEST), Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) I know Gopher can do CGI in some cases but could it do CSS as well?
(???) SS has nothing to do with Gopher.
(???) opher is just a protocol which transfers some content. CSS might be such c=
(???) ntent.
(TN3) he question you should ask yourself about is "is my gopher browser support=
ng CSS?".
(IMG) f you use for eg. Firefox to access gopher holes, then yes, you will be ab=
(???) e to use HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc.
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n 2010-04-26 10:28:08, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) I know Gopher can do CGI in some cases but could it do CSS as well?
(TN3) here is no problem for gopher to serve HTML with CSS. But why would
(???) ou want to do this? Plain text can be easily styled using spaces and
(???) ew lines. ;)
(???) either running CGI on the server side nor the rendering of content on
(???) he client side have anything to do with the protocol itself. Any
(???) odern web browser can display CSS-styled HTML regardless of its origin.
(???) -
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(???) n 2010-04-26 23:50:47, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) So to save time I'm gonna ask (because I'm curious too), what browser
(???) won't HTML+CSS work in?
(???) urely won't work in mosaic or lynx.
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(???) n 26.4.2010 5:47, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Perhaps Cameron and I can seed a torrent for those of you with terabytes
(???) of space on a server...
(???) ounds good. I can also seed the torrent once I get the files.
(IMG) f you can't figure out any other way you can always send a copy to my
(???) ork address:
(???) im Holviala
(???) onehuone Oy
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(???) INLAND
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(???) n 27.4.2010 0:50, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) So to save time I'm gonna ask (because I'm curious too), what browser
(???) won't HTML+CSS work in?
(???) et's refrase that: What gopher browser other than Firefox supports CSS?
(???) s far as I know there aren't any. So using CSS with gopher pretty much
(???) imits you to one client only...
(???) Kim
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(???) n Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 09:07:00AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 26.4.2010 5:47, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > Perhaps Cameron and I can seed a torrent for those of you with terabytes
(???) > of space on a server...
(???)
(???) Sounds good. I can also seed the torrent once I get the files.
(IMG) am am also interested in the archive and will be willing to do some
(???) orrent seeding once I have it.
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot
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(???) ello list
(IMG) just suffered a rather nasty failur of my raid setup at the just as I
(???) as about to it all to a new one, well the end result is I saved all my
(???) ail, homedir and such but everthing on gopher, my site and such are gone.
(???) o I was just wondering if anyone actual archived the boring lot I had
(???) here ? aka remote backup of things I was supposed to have a backup of
(???) egards
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(???) acob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:237/38.8
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(???) n 27.4.2010 13:31, Jacob Dahl Pind wrote:
(???) I just suffered a rather nasty failur of my raid setup at the just as I
(???) was about to it all to a new one, well the end result is I saved all my
(???) mail, homedir and such but everthing on gopher, my site and such are gone.
(???) So I was just wondering if anyone actual archived the boring lot I had
(???) there ? aka remote backup of things I was supposed to have a backup of
(IMG) hadn't finished stealing ALL of your content yet, but I seem to have
(???) bout 3300 files archived:
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/7/archive.q?telefisk.org
(???) Kim
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(???) n 27.4.2010 14:54, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > So I was just wondering if anyone actual archived the boring lot I had
(???) > there ? aka remote backup of things I was supposed to have a backup of
(???)
(???) I hadn't finished stealing ALL of your content yet, but I seem to have
(???) about 3300 files archived:
(???)
(???) gopher://gophernicus.org/7/archive.q?telefisk.org
(???) .. and in addition to the live site I have three(!) pysically separated
(???) ackups of it all :-).
(???) ust in case anyone's interested:
(???) The main data is on an IBM DS4700 (RAID5 + hotspare)
(???) First-level image backups are on a separate RAID5 pack
(???) Second-level image backups are on an 6TB Synology DS409 next door
(???) File-level backups are 30km away in an D-Link DNS-323 running Debian
(???) ust in case.
(???) ou never know what might happen.
(???) o, I'm not paranoid.
(???) o sire.
(???) ot me.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 04/27/2010 05:16 AM, Jeroen Schot wrote:
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(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 09:07:00AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > On 26.4.2010 5:47, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) >> Perhaps Cameron and I can seed a torrent for those of you with terabytes
(???) >> of space on a server...
(???) >
(???) > Sounds good. I can also seed the torrent once I get the files.
(???)
(???) I am am also interested in the archive and will be willing to do some
(???) torrent seeding once I have it.
(???) K. I will try and get the DVDs back sometime this week -- possibly
(???) oday, or possibly tomorrow. I will prepare torrents to get the stuff
(SND) eeded. Cameron, do you still have your set, and if so, can you help seed?
(???) ould you prefer the torrent contain:
(DIR) ) ISO images (4 of them)
(PHO) ) A tar.{gz,bz2,etc} of the entire collection
(ERR) ) The raw files
(IMG) 'm thinking #3 isn't that practical as not everything deals real well
(???) ith hundreds of thousands of files in a torrent.
(???) - John
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(???) n 27.4.2010 15:37, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Would you prefer the torrent contain:
(???)
(???) 1) ISO images (4 of them)
(???)
(???) 2) A tar.{gz,bz2,etc} of the entire collection
(???)
(???) 3) The raw files
(???)
(???) I'm thinking #3 isn't that practical as not everything deals real well
(???) with hundreds of thousands of files in a torrent.
(???) eah, I don't think #3 is a good idea. I think I prefer option #1 just
(???) ecause a single tarfile of that size isn't practical either...
(???) Kim
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(???) OK. I will try and get the DVDs back sometime this week -- possibly
(???) today, or possibly tomorrow. I will prepare torrents to get the stuff
(???) seeded. Cameron, do you still have your set, and if so, can you help seed?
(IMG) do still have the set, but the only system set up for seeding doesn't
(HTM) ave a working DVD drive. I have to copy stuff over first.
(???) -
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(???) I just suffered a rather nasty failur of my raid setup at the just as I
(???) was about to it all to a new one, well the end result is I saved all my
(???) mail, homedir and such but everthing on gopher, my site and such are gone.
(???) So I was just wondering if anyone actual archived the boring lot I had
(???) there ? aka remote backup of things I was supposed to have a backup of
(???) eek!
(TN3) his seems to be happening a lot lately ...
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(???) n Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:37:15AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) On 04/27/2010 05:16 AM, Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 09:07:00AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >> On 26.4.2010 5:47, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) >>> Perhaps Cameron and I can seed a torrent for those of you with terabytes
(???) >>> of space on a server...
(???) >>
(???) >> Sounds good. I can also seed the torrent once I get the files.
(???) >
(???) > I am am also interested in the archive and will be willing to do some
(???) > torrent seeding once I have it.
(???)
(???) OK. I will try and get the DVDs back sometime this week -- possibly
(???) today, or possibly tomorrow. I will prepare torrents to get the stuff
(???) seeded. Cameron, do you still have your set, and if so, can you help
(???) seed?
(???)
(???) Would you prefer the torrent contain:
(???)
(???) 1) ISO images (4 of them)
(???)
(???) 2) A tar.{gz,bz2,etc} of the entire collection
(???)
(???) 3) The raw files
(???)
(???) I'm thinking #3 isn't that practical as not everything deals real well
(???) with hundreds of thousands of files in a torrent.
(IMG) think the coolest option would be:
(HEX) ) A tar.{gz.bz2,etc} for every server.
(???) ut I understand that would mean a lot of extra work. (And is not
(???) orth it). So my vote is on option #1.
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot
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(???) n Apr 27, 2010, at 9:05 AM 4/27/10, Jeroen Schot wrote:
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(???) On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:37:15AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > On 04/27/2010 05:16 AM, Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 09:07:00AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >>> On 26.4.2010 5:47, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) >>>> Perhaps Cameron and I can seed a torrent for those of you with
(???) >>>> terabytes
(???) >>>> of space on a server...
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Sounds good. I can also seed the torrent once I get the files.
(???) >>
(???) >> I am am also interested in the archive and will be willing to do
(???) >> some
(???) >> torrent seeding once I have it.
(???) >
(???) > OK. I will try and get the DVDs back sometime this week -- possibly
(???) > today, or possibly tomorrow. I will prepare torrents to get the
(???) > stuff
(???) > seeded. Cameron, do you still have your set, and if so, can you help
(???) > seed?
(???) >
(???) > Would you prefer the torrent contain:
(???) >
(???) > 1) ISO images (4 of them)
(???) >
(???) > 2) A tar.{gz,bz2,etc} of the entire collection
(???) >
(???) > 3) The raw files
(???) >
(???) > I'm thinking #3 isn't that practical as not everything deals real
(???) > well
(???) > with hundreds of thousands of files in a torrent.
(???)
(???) I think the coolest option would be:
(???)
(???) 4) A tar.{gz.bz2,etc} for every server.
(???)
(???) But I understand that would mean a lot of extra work. (And is not
(???) worth it). So my vote is on option #1.
(IMG) too vote for option number 1 provided my vote counts for anything. :-)
(IMG) know you mentioned torrenting them but are you going to make that a
(PNG) ublic torrent? Failing that could I be included on this?
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) n 04/27/2010 09:13 AM, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???)
(???) I know you mentioned torrenting them but are you going to make that a
(???) public torrent? Failing that could I be included on this?
(???) es, that's the plan. Anybody know a good tracker/place I can put it up on?
(IMG) 've never created a torrent before.
(???) - John
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(???) I know you mentioned torrenting them but are you going to make that a
(???) > public torrent? Failing that could I be included on this?
(???) >
(???)
(???) Yes, that's the plan. Anybody know a good tracker/place I can put it up
(???) on?
(???)
(???) I've never created a torrent before.
(???)
(???) -- John
(???)
(???)
(IMG) 've never created a torrent either, but I've used both thepiratebay.org and
(???) tjunkie.org and they seem to work fine.
(IMG) 'll also be happy to seed, once I download the torrent.
(???) esley
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(???) div>I've never created a torrent either, but I've used both <a hre=
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(???) div>I'll also be happy to seed, once I download the torrent.</div>
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(IMG) 'll post the torrent when I'm ready.
(TN3) he CD images contained a single giant tar.bz2 split across the
(DOC) ifferent discs using split(1), so there will be no benefit in posting
(???) iso instead of the tar.bz2 that is contained within them. (You can't,
(SND) ay, just extract the tar.bz2 from disc 2; it's part of one large
(???) ar.bz2 that was split at an arbitrary byte boundary.)
(IMG) 'll post here when it's ready.
(???) - John
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(IMG) think I'm losing the war on Mozilla bug 388195, the infamous decommission
(???) opher bug for Mozilla 2/Firefox 4. In fact, the defeat may be worse than
(IMG) had thought because it appears that CPOWs (such as how Jetpacks are
mplemented) cannot rewrite content, so even OverbiteFF might not work.
(TN3) hey are conceiving of a reverse CPOW since other protocols have a similar
(PNG) roblem, but the tentative deal Brendan extended in #67 seems to be off.
(TN3) he worst case scenario has not only core Gopher disappearing, but also any
(HTM) ope at add-ons. Reverse CPOWs are just concept, they don't exist, and they
(???) ight not exist for some time. We need to get Gopher into the core of more
(???) hings to continue to infect virally.
(IMG) know someone here was thinking of submitting patches to add it back to
(???) URL. This would be a really great thing. Who was planning on doing that?
(TN3) here is still kio_slave for Konqueror, but there is nothing for Chrome.
(IMG) should try to get my AIR-based client off the ground again. It works,
(???) ut it has no real interface of any sort.
(???) e need to get gopher to where people live. Even if we're not the core
(PNG) art of popular clients, we should still be an option.
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(???) n Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 06:03:56PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) We need to get Gopher into the core of more
(???) things to continue to infect virally.
(TN3) hat's one approach. More gopher proxies/gateways are just as
mportant, IMO. There are only three that I know of...I'm sure there
(???) re more, but I've not found them yet.
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(???) ell, this is a little less intense now that Brendan has stepped in and
(???) oncurred that a JS Gopher would be acceptable in core, but still, I
(???) hink we still need to start planning for when client support gets thinner
(???) n the ground.
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(???) > We need to get Gopher into the core of more
(???) > things to continue to infect virally.
(???)
(???) That's one approach. More gopher proxies/gateways are just as
(???) important, IMO. There are only three that I know of...I'm sure there
(???) are more, but I've not found them yet.
(???) o, I agree. But I also want to make sure that clients still have the
(???) unctionality (at least available, if not included).
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(IMG) t's live! Download your .torrent here:
(HTM) ttp://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???) r, for a short URL:
(HTM) ttp://bit.ly/cyY0Sv
(???) lease start downloading ASAP; I won't be able to seed forever.
(IMG) don't know how to get these things indexed on the search engines, so
f any of you would like to add it to them, that would be great.
(IMG) am presently seeding off my home DSL, which is capped at about
(PHO) 0-40KB/s upstream, alas. Tomorrow I will bring some better bandwidth
(???) o bear on it as well.
(TN3) his torrent includes the tar.bz2 file that was on the 4-DVD set. Also
(???) n that set was a rare video interview with two Gopher founders, Mark
(???) cCahill and Farhad Anklesaria. That video is also included in the
(???) orrent. Finally, the source code to the gopher spidering bot I used, a
(DOC) ump of the PostgreSQL table behind the spider, and a dump of the file
(???) ist of the tar file is included. All told, this is a 15GB download,
(???) nd all but about 500M of that is the main tar.bz2.
(TN3) he tar.bz2 itself contains 780238 files or directories and unpacks to
(???) oughly 40GB of data. It was made in June 2007. If you just want to
(SND) ee what's in the archive, you can start by downloading only
(???) ar-filelist.bz2 from inside this torrent. README.TXT also contains an
ndex to the contents.
(???) f note to recent discussions:
(DIR) 503 files/directories exist from hal3000.cx
(???) inally, it should be noted that this thing saved directories in
(???) gophermap format, and as such this archive should be able to be served
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(???) - John
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(???) n Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:20:50PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) It's live! Download your .torrent here:
(???)
(???) http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???) ery cool, John! Anything additional that's not on the original DVDs
(???) ou sent out? If not, I'll save your bandwidth...
(???) --Brian
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:20:50PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > It's live! Download your .torrent here:
(???) >
(???) > http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???)
(???) Very cool, John! Anything additional that's not on the original DVDs
(???) you sent out? If not, I'll save your bandwidth...
(TN3) he only thing is the output of tar -jvtf gopher-arch.tar.bz2 and a
(???) EADME.TXT with an index. So nothing meaningful really.
(IMG) forgot I had sent you the DVDs. If you have them, you can help seed by:
(???) at all the gopher-arch.tar.bz2.0* files together, in order.
(???) ou can, eg, cat /meda/dvd1/*.bz2.0* > gopher-arch.tar.bz2
(???) nd then on other DVDs, cat /media/dvd2/*.bz2.0* >> gopher-arch.tar.bz2
(???) opy DVD4's files.bz2 to gopher-arch-sqldump.bz2
(???) opy DVD4's mpm_gopher.mov to a file with the same name.
(TN3) he remaining data is really small and can download in a few seconds
(???) efore you start seeding.
(???) ou can name your directory "Full Gopher Archive from 2007" for the
(???) ools to find it, or you can start downloading the torrent for a few
(SND) econds before you do the above to pre-create 0-byte files you can
(???) opy into.
(???) - John
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(???) n Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:53:15PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) I forgot I had sent you the DVDs. If you have them, you can help seed by:
(IMG) 'm afraid you've called me out...I've never done anything with BT
(???) efore. Some geek I am...
(IMG) will take your instructions and figure this out.
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Apr 27, 2010, at 8:20 PM 4/27/10, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) It's live! Download your .torrent here:
(???)
(???) http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???)
(???) Or, for a short URL:
(???)
(???) http://bit.ly/cyY0Sv
(???)
(???) Please start downloading ASAP; I won't be able to seed forever.
(???)
(???) I don't know how to get these things indexed on the search engines,
(???) so if any of you would like to add it to them, that would be great.
(???)
(???) I am presently seeding off my home DSL, which is capped at about
(???) 20-40KB/s upstream, alas. Tomorrow I will bring some better
(???) bandwidth to bear on it as well.
(IMG) am downloading as fast as I can!! ;-) Seriously though I have a
(DIR) .5M down/768k up so I should finish sometime tomorrow hopefully. And
(SND) ince I have a business Speakeasy connection it should seed as well.
(???) ot the fastest but definitely stable.
(???) This torrent includes the tar.bz2 file that was on the 4-DVD set.
(???) Also on that set was a rare video interview with two Gopher
(???) founders, Mark McCahill and Farhad Anklesaria. That video is also
(???) included in the torrent. Finally, the source code to the gopher
(???) spidering bot I used, a dump of the PostgreSQL table behind the
(???) spider, and a dump of the file list of the tar file is included.
(???) All told, this is a 15GB download, and all but about 500M of that is
(???) the main tar.bz2.
(???)
(???) The tar.bz2 itself contains 780238 files or directories and unpacks
(???) to roughly 40GB of data. It was made in June 2007. If you just
(???) want to see what's in the archive, you can start by downloading only
(???) tar-filelist.bz2 from inside this torrent. README.TXT also contains
(???) an index to the contents.
(???)
(???) Of note to recent discussions:
(???)
(???) 1503 files/directories exist from hal3000.cx
(???)
(???) Finally, it should be noted that this thing saved directories
(???) in .gophermap format, and as such this archive should be able to be
(???) served directly by both Pygopherd and Bucktooth.
(IMG) 'm definitely looking forward to digging through all this. Is there
(???) ny policy on putting any of it up on my server with a disclaimer or
(SND) omething? (I could easily dedicate a Cobalt box to the task of
(???) unning gophernicus/pygopherd/etc. to serve this stuff up.)
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) ne's gonna eat your eyes." - Re: Brains, Jonathan Coultan
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(???) e need to get Gopher into the core of more
(???) things to continue to infect virally.
(???)
(???) I know someone here was thinking of submitting patches to add it back to
(???) cURL. This would be a really great thing. Who was planning on doing that?
(???)
(???) There is still kio_slave for Konqueror, but there is nothing for Chrome.
(???)
(???) I should try to get my AIR-based client off the ground again. It works,
(???) but it has no real interface of any sort.
(???)
(???) We need to get gopher to where people live. Even if we're not the core
(???) part of popular clients, we should still be an option.
(???)
(IMG) know not a lot of people necessarily use it, but OmniWeb (for the Mac)
(SND) upports gopher, although it can't handle searches currently. It would be
(???) ice if we could get the project to implement full gopher support.
(TN3) here's also Mateusz's Windows gopher/gopher+ client.
(TN3) here's also snarf, although it would be nice to see gopher in cURL too and
(???) ven wget for that matter.
(TN3) here's even a shell script out there that browses gopherspace for the
(???) ommand line junkie:
(GIF) opher://sdf.org/0/users/yargo/scripts/nago
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(TN3) here is still kio_slave for Konqueror, but there is nothing for Chrome.<br=
(???)
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(IMG) should try to get my AIR-based client off the ground again. It works,<br>
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(???) d even wget for that matter.=C2=A0 <br><br>There's even a shell script=
(???) out there that browses gopherspace for the command line junkie:<br>
(GIF) opher://<a href=3D"http://sdf.org/0/users/yargo/scripts/nago">sdf.org/0/us=
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(???) n Apr 27, 2010, at 10:43 PM 4/27/10, Wesley Teal wrote:
(???) We need to get Gopher into the core of more
(???) things to continue to infect virally.
(???)
(???) I know someone here was thinking of submitting patches to add it
(???) back to
(???) cURL. This would be a really great thing. Who was planning on doing
(???) that?
(???)
(???) There is still kio_slave for Konqueror, but there is nothing for
(???) Chrome.
(???)
(???) I should try to get my AIR-based client off the ground again. It
(???) works,
(???) but it has no real interface of any sort.
(???)
(???) We need to get gopher to where people live. Even if we're not the core
(???) part of popular clients, we should still be an option.
(???)
(???) I know not a lot of people necessarily use it, but OmniWeb (for the
(???) Mac) supports gopher, although it can't handle searches currently.
(???) It would be nice if we could get the project to implement full
(???) gopher support.
(???)
(???) There's also Mateusz's Windows gopher/gopher+ client.
(???)
(???) There's also snarf, although it would be nice to see gopher in cURL
(???) too and even wget for that matter.
(???)
(???) There's even a shell script out there that browses gopherspace for
(???) the command line junkie:
(???) gopher://sdf.org/0/users/yargo/scripts/nago
(???) omething tells me this is a good opportunity to start fresh.
(IMG) 'm not a programmer but is there one development platform that
(???) rosses 'nix, Linux, Windows, and Mac that could be used to start a
(???) ew client build?
(???) urse my lack of programming skills. :-(
(???) -
(???) ike
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(???) I'm not a programmer but is there one development platform that
(???) crosses 'nix, Linux, Windows, and Mac that could be used to start a
(???) new client build?
(???) ealBASIC does; AIR; Mono if you wanted to go .net ... that's the ones
(???) hat come immediately to mind.
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(???) n 2010-04-28 04:20, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Finally, it should be noted that this thing saved directories in
(???) .gophermap format, and as such this archive should be able to be served
(???) directly by both Pygopherd and Bucktooth.
(???) hould work with Gophernicus too since I made it compatible with Bucktooth.
(IMG) plan on making the archive available in two formats: the original
(???) ormat living in some subdirectory, and a second copy integrated into
(TN3) he Gopher Archive (but it takes some hacking to get the files over there).
(???) Kim
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(???) n 2010-04-28 06:58, Mike Hebel wrote:
(???) Something tells me this is a good opportunity to start fresh.
(???)
(???) I'm not a programmer but is there one development platform that crosses
(???) 'nix, Linux, Windows, and Mac that could be used to start a new client
(???) build?
(IMG) was planning on doing both console and graphical clients once I get
(???) he search engine done. I was planning on basing the graphical client to
(???) DL which is compatible with all three major platforms (only I know
(???) othing about Windows...).
(???) Kim
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(???) n 04/27/2010 11:01 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > I'm not a programmer but is there one development platform that
(???) > crosses 'nix, Linux, Windows, and Mac that could be used to start a
(???) > new client build?
(???)
(???) RealBASIC does; AIR; Mono if you wanted to go .net ... that's the ones
(???) that come immediately to mind.
(???)
(???) ava, Python, Perl, Haskell, OCaml....
(???) lenty of em.
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(???) aybe start a sourceforge project, and all collaborate on a new
(???) lient, that's highly modularized. Maybe one, that supports all the
(???) eatures everyone wants to implement, including all the backward
(???) ompatibility renderings of the protocol and new ones that not
(???) veryone else uses or supports server or client side. It might be a
(???) hought to basically with the click of a mouse change the way the
(???) lient will display a gophersite, say if you goto a gopher site of
(???) yz, and it appears to display wrong press a button and render it in
(GIF) opher+, or click another button and render it in gopher++, and so on.
(TN3) hat way everyone can be appeased, and with that highly modularized
(DOC) esign, anyone can submit updates to the coding modules or submit new
(???) nes. I for one would not be apposed to many options in the UI to
(???) hange the supported ascii formats, protocol differences(relative
(???) erm), etc.
(IMG) f I'm way off base here, i appologize, but a new client from the
(GIF) round up that highlights everyone in this groups talents would be
(???) ice, that way i'm not switching between different clients depending
(???) n who has built in support for what... You know almost like
(PNG) lugins... That way everyone can contribute to the back end of the
(???) lient.
(???) atthew Holevinski
(???) lus, All of you guys are wizards, so I know it should be a fairly
(SND) imple matter for all you guys.
(???) n Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:56 AM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) On 04/27/2010 11:01 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) >>
(???) >> I'm not a programmer but is there one development platform that
(???) >> crosses 'nix, Linux, Windows, and Mac that could be used to start a
(???) >> new client build?
(???) >
(???) > RealBASIC does; AIR; Mono if you wanted to go .net ... that's the ones
(???) > that come immediately to mind.
(???) >
(???)
(???) Java, Python, Perl, Haskell, OCaml....
(???)
(???) Plenty of em.
(???)
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(TN3) he problem with new clients, though, is that it requires someone go out and
(GIF) et that client to use once it's written. I'd like to see gopher already at
(SND) omebody's fingertips in the tools they already use.
(TN3) o wit, I'm committing to (another, sigh) rewrite of Gopher in Mozilla --
(SND) ee bug 388195 and bug 562320.
(IMG) really want to see gopher back in cURL, and if no one else is stepping up
(IMG) 'll put some time into that (should be very simple to implement). But it
(DOC) oes make the community seem bigger than having the same names crop up all
(???) he time.
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(???) n Apr 28, 2010, at 9:47 AM 4/28/10, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) The problem with new clients, though, is that it requires someone go
(???) out and
(???) get that client to use once it's written. I'd like to see gopher
(???) already at
(???) somebody's fingertips in the tools they already use.
(???)
(???) To wit, I'm committing to (another, sigh) rewrite of Gopher in
(???) Mozilla --
(???) see bug 388195 and bug 562320.
(???) eah but at least they allowed you to keep it in the core using
(???) avascript. It looks like that was hard fought and won by you and you
(???) lone. Kudos!
(???) I really want to see gopher back in cURL, and if no one else is
(???) stepping up
(???) I'll put some time into that (should be very simple to implement).
(???) But it
(???) does make the community seem bigger than having the same names crop
(???) up all
(???) the time.
(???) ot for the ten-thousandth time I wish I could program my way out of a
(PNG) aper bag. I barely know the basics of C and am _still_ trying to get
(PNG) ast that.
(IMG) t's like being that guy that is constantly "learning to play guitar"
(???) ut never seems to get anywhere. :-(
(???) -
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(IMG) f I could program (which I can't) I'd write an iPhone gopher client
(???) nd an android one; everyone is mad for smarthphone apps.
(???)
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(???) > To wit, I'm committing to (another, sigh) rewrite of Gopher in
(???) > Mozilla -- see bug 388195 and bug 562320.
(???)
(???) Yeah but at least they allowed you to keep it in the core using
(???) javascript. It looks like that was hard fought and won by you and you
(???) alone. Kudos!
(TN3) hanks!
(???) s far as cURL, I got this tweet from Daniel Stenberg himself:
(???) @bagder> .@doctorlinguist I'd love to get gopher re-added to libcurl! ;-)
(???) o there is interest from the man with the keys. It's just a matter of
(DOC) oing it.
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(???) n 2010-04-28 17:47, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
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(???) I'll put some time into that (should be very simple to implement). But it
(???) does make the community seem bigger than having the same names crop up all
(???) the time.
(IMG) can do a patch for cURL. I'm a wget man myself, but I think wget's a
(???) ost case anyway (it hasn't been maintained for years).
(???) Kimj
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(???) n 2010-04-28 18:38, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) As far as cURL, I got this tweet from Daniel Stenberg himself:
(???)
(???) <@bagder> .@doctorlinguist I'd love to get gopher re-added to libcurl! ;-)
(???)
(???) So there is interest from the man with the keys. It's just a matter of
(???) doing it.
(???) ust downloaded cURL sources...
(???) amn - their url library alone (url.c) has three times the code lines
(???) ophernicus has in total.
(???) o... Looks like a good challenge :-).
(???) Kim
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(???) > As far as cURL, I got this tweet from Daniel Stenberg himself:
(???) >
(???) > <@bagder> .@doctorlinguist I'd love to get gopher re-added to libcurl! ;-)
(???) >
(???) > So there is interest from the man with the keys. It's just a matter of
(???) > doing it.
(???)
(???) Just downloaded cURL sources...
(???)
(???) Damn - their url library alone (url.c) has three times the code lines
(???) Gophernicus has in total.
(???)
(???) So... Looks like a good challenge :-).
(TN3) he layout of the individual protocols is actually pretty logical. They use
(???) more or less boiler-plate collection of methods. I was flipping through
(???) he dict and tftp code today, and it shouldn't be hard to extrapolate from
(???) hose. If you want to take a whack at it, I'm certainly not declaring dibs.
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(???) n Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) I really want to see gopher back in cURL, and if no one else is stepping up
(???) I'll put some time into that (should be very simple to implement). But it
(???) does make the community seem bigger than having the same names crop up all
(???) the time.
(IMG) 'm willing to make a sacrifice; if you write the patch, I can claim the fame.
(TN3) hat way there'll be more names popping up ;-)
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(???) > I really want to see gopher back in cURL, and if no one else is stepping up
(???) > I'll put some time into that (should be very simple to implement). But it
(???) > does make the community seem bigger than having the same names crop up all
(???) > the time.
(???)
(???) I'm willing to make a sacrifice; if you write the patch, I can claim the fame.
(???) That way there'll be more names popping up ;-)
(???) h-huh. :-P
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(TN3) o date, I'm seeing about 13 peers downloading the torrent. 32% of it
(HTM) as been seeded and I hope that we'll hit 100% within 12-20 hours.
(???) s a reminder for anyone that wants to download this archive, the
(???) orrent is at:
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(???) lso, I had a blog post on this topic today:
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(???) n Wed, 2010-04-28 at 19:04 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) To date, I'm seeing about 13 peers downloading the torrent. 32% of it
(???) has been seeded and I hope that we'll hit 100% within 12-20 hours.
(???)
(???) As a reminder for anyone that wants to download this archive, the
(???) torrent is at:
(???)
(???) http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???)
(???) Also, I had a blog post on this topic today:
(???)
(???) http://changelog.complete.org/archives/1466-download-a-piece-of-internet-history
(???) ery cool. The more seeders the better. I likely won't be done until
(SND) ometime tomorrow. (I forgot that I'm not the only one using my home
(???) etwork.)
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(???) n 2010-04-28 22:56, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) The layout of the individual protocols is actually pretty logical. They use
(???) a more or less boiler-plate collection of methods. I was flipping through
(???) the dict and tftp code today, and it shouldn't be hard to extrapolate from
(???) those. If you want to take a whack at it, I'm certainly not declaring dibs.
(???)
(IMG) was looking at tftp before I noticed this in doc/INTERNALS:
(???) The DICT, TELNET and TFTP are crappy examples and they are subject
(???) or rewrite in the future to better fit the libcurl protocol family."
(???) o I guess I need to take a look at HTTP next...
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(???) > The layout of the individual protocols is actually pretty logical. They use
(???) > a more or less boiler-plate collection of methods. I was flipping through
(???) > the dict and tftp code today, and it shouldn't be hard to extrapolate from
(???) > those. If you want to take a whack at it, I'm certainly not declaring dibs.
(???)
(???) I was looking at tftp before I noticed this in doc/INTERNALS:
(???)
(???) "The DICT, TELNET and TFTP are crappy examples and they are subject
(???) for rewrite in the future to better fit the libcurl protocol family."
(???)
(???) So I guess I need to take a look at HTTP next...
(???) oof. Guess I should have spotted that. ^_^;;
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(???) n 2010-04-29 03:04, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) To date, I'm seeing about 13 peers downloading the torrent. 32% of it
(???) has been seeded and I hope that we'll hit 100% within 12-20 hours.
(???) Downloading from 11 of 25 peers - DL: 97.9 KB/s UL: 1.8 MB/s"
(IMG) 'm surprised by the number of people downloading this.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Gopher Archive Torrent Now Available (incl. hal3000.cx)
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(???) n Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:20:50PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) It's live! Download your .torrent here:
(???)
(???) http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???)
(???) Or, for a short URL:
(???)
(???) http://bit.ly/cyY0Sv
(???)
(???) Please start downloading ASAP; I won't be able to seed forever.
(???) K, I *think* this is working the way it should. I show an
(???) pload rate of about 250KB/s, 8 peers, 2 seeds.
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Apr 28, 2010, at 10:37 PM 4/28/10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-04-29 03:04, John Goerzen wrote:
(???)
(???) > To date, I'm seeing about 13 peers downloading the torrent. 32% of
(???) > it
(???) > has been seeded and I hope that we'll hit 100% within 12-20 hours.
(???)
(???) "Downloading from 11 of 25 peers - DL: 97.9 KB/s UL: 1.8 MB/s"
(???)
(???) I'm surprised by the number of people downloading this.
(IMG) 'm not. For geeks this is just pretty damn cool stuff.
(???) -
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(???) -On 28 April 2010 19:04 -0500 John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) To date, I'm seeing about 13 peers downloading the torrent. 32% of it
(???) has been seeded and I hope that we'll hit 100% within 12-20 hours.
(???)
(???) As a reminder for anyone that wants to download this archive, the torrent
(???) is at:
(???)
(???) http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.t
(???) orrent
(???)
(???) Also, I had a blog post on this topic today:
(???)
(???) http://changelog.complete.org/archives/1466-download-a-piece-of-internet-
(???) history
(???) ou just got linked to from BoingBoing!
(???) http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/29/all-of-gopherspace-a.html>
(???) xpect some more leechers and interest!
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(???) n 04/28/2010 10:58 PM, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:20:50PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > It's live! Download your .torrent here:
(???) >
(???) > http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???) >
(???) > Or, for a short URL:
(???) >
(???) > http://bit.ly/cyY0Sv
(???) >
(???) > Please start downloading ASAP; I won't be able to seed forever.
(???)
(???) OK, I *think* this is working the way it should. I show an
(???) upload rate of about 250KB/s, 8 peers, 2 seeds.
(???) ep, and by this point, actually, it's completely seeded. There are 11
(SND) eeders and at least 24 downloaders at the moment.
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(???) n 2010-04-29 17:26, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Yep, and by this point, actually, it's completely seeded. There are 11
(???) seeders and at least 24 downloaders at the moment.
(IMG) 've got the whole archive and am seeding at about 1.8 megs per second.
(IMG) 've already uploaded 70 gigabytes :-).
(???) n a related not, I'm currently cleaning up the archive (removing http
(SND) ites and empty dirs) and trying to figure out how to insert all those
(???) iles into The Gopher Archive.
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(???) n Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:49:05PM +0100, Luke Ingerson wrote:
(???) You just got linked to from BoingBoing!
(???)
(???) <http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/29/all-of-gopherspace-a.html>
(???) ooks like it made the Slashdot firehose as well...mod it up!
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(???) n 2010-04-29 20:39, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) Looks like it made the Slashdot firehose as well...mod it up!
(???) h-oh... I'm not sure if I should open up my uplink or cap it down even
(???) urther (capped at 10 mbit/s up right now).
(???) -)
(???) leaning up the archive takes some serious time. Damn it's full of crap
(???) but that's what you get from automated crawling....
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(???) > You just got linked to from BoingBoing!
(???)
(???) Looks like it made the Slashdot firehose as well...mod it up!
(IMG) 'm sort of conflicted about the success. Yes, it gives Gopherspace a much
(???) eeded publicity boost, but I worry it discourages people from looking at
(???) xisting sites since "I have the mirror already and I'm sure everything else
s dead."
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(???) n 2010-04-29 22:44, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) I'm sort of conflicted about the success. Yes, it gives Gopherspace a much
(???) needed publicity boost, but I worry it discourages people from looking at
(???) existing sites since "I have the mirror already and I'm sure everything else
(???) is dead."
(???) on't worry - the archive is pretty much unusable in it's current
(???) orm... It needs a lot of scripting & fixing to be "browseable".
(IMG) 'm not trying to put John down here - he just downloaded The Whole
(???) opher and that's what the the archive contains. It's an excellent
(???) esource for a scripter like me, but it just doesn't work with any
(???) xisting client.
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(???) n 04/29/2010 03:01 PM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Don't worry - the archive is pretty much unusable in it's current
(???) form... It needs a lot of scripting & fixing to be "browseable".
(???) es, it is pretty much raw data.
(???) ut really, to make it browseable should only take a server to rewrite
(???) xternal links in the .gophermap file to internal links on the server.
(???) hould be trivial, I'm thinking?
(???) hat sort of cleanup are you having to do?
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(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) On 04/29/2010 03:01 PM, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > Don't worry - the archive is pretty much unusable in it's current
(???) > form... It needs a lot of scripting & fixing to be "browseable".
(???)
(???) Yes, it is pretty much raw data.
(???)
(???) But really, to make it browseable should only take a server to rewrite
(???) external links in the .gophermap file to internal links on the server.
(???) r you could be a completely unemployed bum with nothing but time on his
(HTM) ands. That would work too. ;-P
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(???) i folks,
(???) ack between about 2002 and 2006, the Gopher server on quux.org served
(ERR) GB of mirrors of other sites. Changing hosting arrangements cramped my
(DOC) isk space and resource availability, so these mirrors were removed
(???) efore my archival spider ran.
(IMG) 'll include the README.txt from this below, but wanted to highlight a
(???) ouple of items of particular interest. This includes the FTP site from
(???) oombox.micro.umn.edu/pub/gopher, which was a large collection of Gopher
(???) lient and server software. Also included was
(???) tp.unicom.com/pub/gn-tools, the old GN server, and wiretap.area.com.
(TN3) his last site was mirrorable via FTP, and included the UMN Gopherd .cap
(???) nd .Links files, so it can be served up via PyGopherd.
(TN3) here are also some other bits of general interest, some of which were
(???) vailable via Gopher and some via FTP only: etext.org, the OBI from
(???) tp.std.com, and a textfiles.com mirror.
(TN3) orrent is at:
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(???) ull content of README.txt:
(TN3) his is a collection of mirrors maintained by gopher.quux.org. These
(???) irrors were taken offline in 2006 due to bandwidth constraints.
(TN3) his collection prepared April 2010 by John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) -------------------------------------------------
(???) irrors.tar.bz2
(???) -------------------------------------------------
(???) ompressed size: 1.6GB
(???) ncompressed size: 3.8GB
(???) ile count: 102736
(TN3) he content includes:
(???) boombox.micro.umn.edu
(???) /pub/gopher from the FTP site, including various historic Gopher
(???) software packages for many operating systems
(???) [ site no longer exists ]
(???) etext.org
(???) /pub from the etext.org FTP site, an early electronic book/magazine
(???) collection.
(???) [ site no longer exists but is in archive.org as a web site ]
(???) fidonews collection, 1984-2002
(???) Collection of FidoNet newsletters
(???) ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/oracle
(???) The Usernet/Internet Oracle archive, snapshot taken in 2002
(???) [ site still up; mirror taken in 2002 ]
(???) ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim
(???) PDP-1, -7, -8, and -11 simulators collection
(???) [ site no longer exists ]
(???) ftp.eff.org/Misc/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector
(???) EFF newsletter collection
(???) ftp.std.com/pub/mbg
(???) Files relating to PDP-10 and PDP-11
(???) [ site is down ]
(???) ftp.ucpel.tche.br/pub/msdos/emulator/coco
(???) TRS-80 CoCo II emulator and collection of CoCo II software
(???) [ site no longer exists ]
(???) ftp.unicom.com/pub/gn-tools
(???) The old GN gopher server. Last updated 1995.
(???) [ site no longer exists ]
(???) gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/usenet
(???) Files pertaining to the Usenet newsgroups
(???) comp.sources.games, comp.sources.misc, comp.sources.reviewed,
(???) comp.sources.sun, comp.sources.unix
(???) [ site is up but this data is gone ]
(???) if-archive: ftp.irarchive.org
(???) Interactive Fiction archive snapshot
(???) [ site is up ]
(???) OBI: the Online Books Initiative
(???) Another early etext site. From ftp.std.com.
(???) [ site is up, but as a Web site only now ]
(???) risks: the risk of technology digest
(???) textfiles.com
(???) Mirror of that site. Site is still up.
(???) wiretap.area.com
(???) An old Gopher site. The Gopher metadata is included in the mirror.
(???) Various etexts, especially related to government.
(???) A Web site now exists at that location, but Gopher is down.
(???) wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/c/unix-c
(???) Some old Unix-based utilities and programs.
(???) [ site is down ]
(???) www.espy.org
(???) Joel Klecker's website. Joel Klecker was a Debian developer that
(???) died in 2000 at the age of 21.
(???) [ site is down ]
(???) x2ftp.oulu.fi/pub/msdos
(???) Includes DOS programs for various outdates compression formats
(???) -------------------------------------------------
(???) senet-a-news.tar.bz2
(???) -------------------------------------------------
(???) ompressed size: 4MB
(???) ncompressed size: 51MB
(???) ile count: 9987
(???) senet articles from around 1981, before the Great Renaming.
(???) ot sure where I got this archive from.
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(???) n Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) I'm sort of conflicted about the success. Yes, it gives Gopherspace a much
(???) needed publicity boost, but I worry it discourages people from looking at
(???) existing sites since "I have the mirror already and I'm sure everything else
(???) is dead."
(???) ell, you'll have to live in your conflicted state a while longer,
(???) ause gopher made the big time:
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(???) --Brian
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(???) n 2010-04-30 01:26, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Torrent is at:
(???) http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Quux.Org%20Gopher%20Mirror%20Collection%202006.torrent
(IMG) 'm getting 0 peers for this one...
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(???) n 2010-04-30 06:14, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > Torrent is at:
(???) > http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Quux.Org%20Gopher%20Mirror%20Collection%202006.torrent
(???) >
(???)
(???) I'm getting 0 peers for this one...
(???) evermind.... works ok now.
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(???) n Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:14:15AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-04-30 01:26, John Goerzen wrote:
(???)
(???) >Torrent is at:
(???) >http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Quux.Org%20Gopher%20Mirror%20Collection%202006.torrent
(???)
(???) I'm getting 0 peers for this one...
(IMG) 'm downloading now...
(???) --Brian
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(???) n the Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser blubbered:
(???) i all.
(???) > > You just got linked to from BoingBoing!
(???) >
(???) > Looks like it made the Slashdot firehose as well...mod it up!
(???)
(???) I'm sort of conflicted about the success. Yes, it gives Gopherspace a much
(???) needed publicity boost, but I worry it discourages people from looking at
(???) existing sites since "I have the mirror already and I'm sure everything else
(???) is dead."
(IMG) downloaded it (and am currently seeding with 2 MBit/s) mainly
(???) or the reason to find out, "if I'm in". =:-) I don't quite
(???) emember anymore, when I set up my gopher server. Must have been
(???) round 2005/2006. It is at gopher://gopher.semmel.ch running
(GIF) ofish on FreeBSD.
(???) h and I wrote a short notice on Symlink, a german newsticker:
(HTM) ttp://www.symlink.ch/article.pl?sid=10/04/29/1813241&mode=thread
(???) U, Venty
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(???) erpassen Sie nicht den neuen Hackerfunk am 15. Mai 2010.
(???) ie immer von 19:00 bis 20:00 Uhr auf Radio LoRa in Zuerich.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gophernicus 0.8 released
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(IMG) think I promised not to brag about releases...
(???) ... oh what the heck, here's the new release.
(???) ersion 0.8 of the server fixes a number of small bugs and adds a really
(???) ifty feature - parsed executable gophermaps. What it means that
(GIF) ophermaps can include other gophermaps, can include executables and
(???) verything is filtered to be valid gopher menus. So you can do stuff
(???) hat's very much like server side includes in HTTP.
(???) asically, you can have a gophermap like this:
(???) -----8<------8<------8<------8<------
(???) Welcome to My kewl site!
(???) figlet -f chunky "My kewl site!"
(???) uptime
(???) date "+%a %d %b" | figlet -f chunky
(???)
(???) -----8<------8<------8<------8<------
(???) nd it'll look like this in Lynx (Firefox would break copy&paste):
(???) Welcome to My kewl site!
(???) _______ __ __ __ __ __
(???) | |.--.--. | |--.-----.--.--.--.| | .-----.|__| |_.-----.| |
(???) || | | | <| -__| | | || | |__ --|| | _| -__||__|
(???) __|_|__||___ | |__|__|_____|________||__| |_____||__|____|_____||__|
(???) |_____|
(???) 11:31:18 up 2 days, 1:59, 1 user, load average: 0.19, 0.15, 0.11
(???) _______ __ ______ ______ _______
(???) ___|.----.|__| |__ | | | _ |.-----.----.
(???) ___|| _|| | |__ | -- | | || _ | _|
(???) ___| |__| |__| |______|______| |___|___|| __|__|
(???) |__|
(???) ee hee hee... That's almost as annoying as blinkig banners.
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(???) n 30.4.2010 11:37, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I think I promised not to brag about releases...
(???) .... oh what the heck, here's the new release.
(???) orgot the link:
(GIF) opher://gophernicus.org/1/software/gophernicus/server/
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] 3GB more data for torrent
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(???) n Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:14:15AM +0300, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-04-30 01:26, John Goerzen wrote:
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(???) >Torrent is at:
(???) >http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Quux.Org%20Gopher%20Mirror%20Collection%202006.torrent
(???)
(???) I'm getting 0 peers for this one...
(???) ooks like everyone's who interested is done with this one...
(???) --Brian
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(???) ohn Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> writes:
(???) To date, I'm seeing about 13 peers downloading the torrent. 32% of it
(???) has been seeded and I hope that we'll hit 100% within 12-20 hours.
(???)
(???) As a reminder for anyone that wants to download this archive, the
(???) torrent is at:
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(???) http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007.torrent
(???)
(IMG) s anyone planning to make the files in the torrent available through
(HTM) ttp, ftp or gopher?
(???) -
(???) uno J. Silva
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(???) n Friday 30 April 2010 14:52:05 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
(???) John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> writes:
(???) > To date, I'm seeing about 13 peers downloading the torrent. 32% of it
(???) > has been seeded and I hope that we'll hit 100% within 12-20 hours.
(???) >
(???) > As a reminder for anyone that wants to download this archive, the
(???) > torrent is at:
(???) >
(???) > http://www.complete.org/~jgoerzen/Full%20Gopher%20Archive%20from%202007=
(???) 2Et
(???) >orrent
(???) =20
(???) Is anyone planning to make the files in the torrent available through
(???) http, ftp or gopher?
(???) =20
(???) mm, what way of making the files available do you mean? serving the .tar.b=
(???) 2=20
(???) iles and stuff just as it is in the torrent, or the unpacked data?
(IMG) f i understood Kim right, it might be some work to convert all the gopherm=
(???) p=20
(???) iles in order to point not to the original server but to the local archive=
(???) 2E I=20
(???) yself haven't yet had a look at it, so i can't tell how much work this is=
(???) 20
(GIF) oing to be. But as i recall from some previous post, some guys would be=20
(???) illing to host the stuff. That also includes me.
(???) urrently i'm unpacking the stuff, the archives can be found at:
(GIF) opher://lime.dnsalias.net/1/archives
(GIF) opher://nerd.endoftheinternet.org/1/archives
(???) nd also via IPv6:
(GIF) opher://gopher.home.ipv6.teply.info/1/archives
(???) ut note: i'm just at setting this up, so it might take till tomorrow until=
(???) 20
(???) verything shows up there.
(???) TH,
(???) 46lorian
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(???) i Kim & group,
(TN3) here have been a number of people asking about hosting Gopher stuff,
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(???) - John
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