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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) othing like having so many friends you have to prioritize their messages,
(???) hankfully i don't have any friends :D
(???) att
(???) n Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Muhammad Al-Massari
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(???) I use Boxbe to manage my inbox. Boxbe prioritizes messages
(???) from people in my social network.
(???)
(???) Join Boxbe so I can grow my social network to prioritize my emails.
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(???) Here's the link:
(???)
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(???)
(???) -Muhammad
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(???) othing like having so many friends you=A0 have to prioritize their message=
(SND) , thankfully i don't have any friends :D<br><br>Matt<br><br><div class=
(???) 3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Muhammad Al-Massari <span=
(???) dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:invitations@boxbe.com">invitations@boxbe=
(???) com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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(???) <p style=3D"margin-top: 15px;">I use Boxbe to manage my=
(???) inbox. Boxbe prioritizes messages <br>=20
(???) from people in my social network.</p>
(???) <p style=3D"margin-top: 15px;">Join Boxbe so I can grow=
(???) my social network to prioritize my emails.</p>
(???) <p style=3D"margin-top: 20px;">Here's the link:</p>
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(???) /www.boxbe.com/register?tc=3D1200469412_302410244" target=3D"_blank">https=
(???) //www.boxbe.com/register?tc=3D1200469412_302410244</a></span></p>
(???) <p style=3D"margin-top: 20px;">-Muhammad</p>
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(???) 3Dgopher@complete.org&tc=3D1200469412_302410244" target=3D"_blank">cli=
(???) k here</a>.</p>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] kgopherd - yet another gopher server
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(IMG) got bored a few weeks ago and decided to move over from www to
(GIF) opher... So I tried a few different gopher servers (mgod, pygopherd)
(???) nd found that none could serve out my UTF-8 filenames. So I decided to
(???) ode my own server (yeah, it was the filenames, not my NIH syndrome - no
(SND) ire).
(???) nyway, I re-learnt "C" and coded a working gopher daemon in less than a
(???) eek... And since it worked so well I decided to release it under the
(???) SD license in case anyone else is stuck with files with UTF-8 chars in
(???) hem.
(???) urrent sources can be found from here:
(GIF) opher://gopher.holviala.com/1/kgopherd
(???) ugreports, complaints et all are welcome.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) pam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???) reat list.
(???) Just testing with this reply)
(???) Kim
(???) n 2010-01-05 18:48, Muhammad Al-Massari wrote:
(???)
(???) Boxbe | Contact Request
(???)
(???) Just a reminder, I use Boxbe to manage my inbox. I think Boxbe can
(???) help you manage your inbox, too.
(???)
(???) Here's the link:
(???)
(???) https://www.boxbe.com/register?tc=1228468118_2120999020
(???)
(???) -Muhammad
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] kgopherd - yet another gopher server
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(???) gopher://gopher.holviala.com/1/kgopherd
(IMG) don't have your server in my list. Give me a display string so I can put
t in Veronica-2 to index.
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] kgopherd - yet another gopher server
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(???) n Saturday 02 January 2010 21:20 (CET), Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) gopher... So I tried a few different gopher servers (mgod, pygopherd)
(???) and found that none could serve out my UTF-8 filenames.
(???) ou obviously didn't tried Grumpy... Grumpy does serve UTF-8 filenames
(???) ithout problems. ;-)
(???) ww.grumpy-server.net
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) im Holviala wrote:
(???) Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???)
(???) Great list.
(???) ou're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) equires your messages to be manually approved.
(???) - John
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) n Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???) >
(???) > Great list.
(???)
(???) You're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) requires your messages to be manually approved.
(???) o this spam got approved or boxbe subscribed?
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) lex Nordlund wrote:
(???) On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >> Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???) >>
(???) >> Great list.
(???) > You're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) > requires your messages to be manually approved.
(???)
(???) So this spam got approved or boxbe subscribed?
(TN3) he spammer subscribed.
(???) - John
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) n Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:27 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) >> Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >>> Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???) >>>
(???) >>> Great list.
(???) >> You're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) >> requires your messages to be manually approved.
(???) >
(???) > So this spam got approved or boxbe subscribed?
(???)
(???) The spammer subscribed.
(???)
(???) an we sponsor him with an unsubscription?
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) lex Nordlund wrote:
(???) On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:27 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) >>> Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >>>> Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???) >>>>
(???) >>>> Great list.
(???) >>> You're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) >>> requires your messages to be manually approved.
(???) >> So this spam got approved or boxbe subscribed?
(???) > The spammer subscribed.
(???) >
(???)
(???) Can we sponsor him with an unsubscription?
(TN3) hat's already happened ;-)
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) n Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:45 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:27 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) >> Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) >>>> Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) >>>>> Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???) >>>>>
(???) >>>>> Great list.
(???) >>>> You're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) >>>> requires your messages to be manually approved.
(???) >>> So this spam got approved or boxbe subscribed?
(???) >> The spammer subscribed.
(???) >>
(???) >
(???) > Can we sponsor him with an unsubscription?
(???)
(???) That's already happened ;-)
(IMG) t's like an early christmas right after christmas!
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) n 2010-01-06 16:05, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???)
(???) You're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) requires your messages to be manually approved.
(???) ctually, I just double-checked and the address I'm getting these emails
(???) o is the exact same address I'm using to post. So I'm subscribed to a
(???) ist which I'm not subscribed to...
(???) onfused.
(???) eed food.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] kgopherd - yet another gopher server
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(???) n 2010-01-06 16:05, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > gopher://gopher.holviala.com/1/kgopherd
(???)
(???) I don't have your server in my list. Give me a display string so I can put
(???) it in Veronica-2 to index.
(???) h-oh... You're asking complicated questions.
(TN3) he one you have above is obiously "kgopherd" or "Kim's gopher daemon"
(???) s it's just the sources to the server.
(???) s for the main menu... Don't really know.
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] kgopherd - yet another gopher server
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(???) n 2010-01-06 16:17, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) > gopher... So I tried a few different gopher servers (mgod, pygopherd)
(???) > and found that none could serve out my UTF-8 filenames.
(???)
(???) You obviously didn't tried Grumpy... Grumpy does serve UTF-8 filenames
(???) without problems. ;-) www.grumpy-server.net
(???) hat? And not experience the fun that is "c", pointers, headers and
(???) akefiles :-).
(IMG) really just needed something to do. NIH-syndrome and all that....
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) im Holviala wrote:
(???) On 2010-01-06 16:05, John Goerzen wrote:
(???)
(???) >> Spam gets through but my valid emails won't (just subscribed a week ago)?
(???) > You're posting from an address that isn't subscribed, which therefore
(???) > requires your messages to be manually approved.
(???)
(???) Actually, I just double-checked and the address I'm getting these emails
(???) to is the exact same address I'm using to post. So I'm subscribed to a
(???) list which I'm not subscribed to...
(???)
(???) Confused.
(IMG) checked, and my initial guess was incorrect. Somehow, you email
(???) ddress was flagged as "needs moderation". I fixed it.
(???) - John
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) n 2010-01-06 18:50, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > Actually, I just double-checked and the address I'm getting these emails
(???) > to is the exact same address I'm using to post. So I'm subscribed to a
(???) > list which I'm not subscribed to...
(???) >
(???) > Confused.
(???)
(???) I checked, and my initial guess was incorrect. Somehow, you email
(???) address was flagged as "needs moderation". I fixed it.
(TN3) hanks.
(???) Kim
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(IMG) run a small shell, with emphasis on SMALL.
(???) nd I want to offer gopher for everyone, I run pygopherd in a chroot
(???) t the moment and have null-mounted a folder from it onto
(PNG) ublic_gopher in the users homedir.
(IMG) s this bad or is there a better way to solve it?
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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'm very confused now. not a spammer by far
(???) ut, ya know...
(???) -----------
(???) ((1/f)))
(???) ------------
(HTM) ttp://twitter.com/fadereu
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'm very confused now. not a spammer by far <br>but, ya know...<br><br><br>------------<br>(((1/f)))<br>-------------<br><a href="http://twitter.com/fadereu">http://twitter.com/fadereu</a><br>
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Muhammad Al-Massari wants to share approved contacts
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(???) n Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, (((1/f))) . <yonikone@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) i'm very confused now. not a spammer by far
(???) but, ya know...
(???)
(TN3) hen you got nothing to worry about!
(???) hy the confusion?
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) n Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander@gmail.com>wrote:
(???) On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, (((1/f))) . <yonikone@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) > i'm very confused now. not a spammer by far
(???) > but, ya know...
(???) >
(???)
(???) Then you got nothing to worry about!
(???) Why the confusion?
(???)
(???) ---
(???) //Alex
(???) o worries, that was a very bad joke around the discussion about our
(???) steemed spammer.
(???) heers,
(???) -
(???) -----------
(???) ((1/f)))
(???) ------------
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(???) br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Alex No=
(???) dlund <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:deep.alexander@gmail.com">de=
(???) p.alexander@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
(???) uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt =
(TXT) pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) div class=3D"im">On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, (((1/f))) . <<a href=
(???) 3D"mailto:yonikone@gmail.com">yonikone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
(???) gt; i'm very confused now. not a spammer by far<br>
(???) gt; but, ya know...<br>
(???) gt;<br>
(???) br>
(???) /div>Then you got nothing to worry about!<br>
(???) hy the confusion?<br>
(???) br>
(???) --<br>
(???) font color=3D"#888888">//Alex</font></blockquote></div><br>No worries, tha=
(???) was a very bad joke around the discussion about our<br>esteemed spammer. =
(???) br clear=3D"all"><br>cheers,<br>-- <br>------------<br>(((1/f)))<br>------=
(???) ------<br>
(???) a href=3D"http://twitter.com/fadereu">http://twitter.com/fadereu</a><br>
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(???) ven the c complier is against gopher+:
(???) kimmy@one kgopherd]$ cat gopher+.c
(???) include <stdio.h>
nt main(void)
(???)
(???) int gopher =3D 0;
(???) gopher+;
(???) printf("The next gopher version is: %i\n", gopher);
(???)
(???) kimmy@one kgopherd]$ cc -o gopher+ gopher+.c
(GIF) opher+.c: In function =91main=92:
(GIF) opher+.c:7: error: expected expression before =91;=92 token
(???) kimmy@one kgopherd]$ cat gopher++.c
(???) include <stdio.h>
nt main(void)
(???)
(???) int gopher =3D 0;
(???) gopher++;
(???) printf("The next gopher version is: %i\n", gopher);
(???)
(???) kimmy@one kgopherd]$ cc -o gopher++ gopher++.c
(???) kimmy@one kgopherd]$ ./gopher++
(TN3) he next gopher version is: 1
(???) 3D=3D=3D
(???) o it begins... I'm pretty much finished with some extensions to the =
(GIF) opher protocol (the original, not +) which would bring things like
(???) irtual hosts to gopher. The extensions are 100% backward and forward =
(???) ompatible with gopher0 - as in old gopher0 clients can talk to gopher++ =
(SND) ervers, and gopher++ clients can talk to old gopher servers without any =
(SND) ide-effects. Also, I'm not trying to bring gopher closer to the mess =
(???) hat is HTTP. As I see it HTTP has a dumb server and bloat.. um, smart =
(???) lient while gopher has a smart server but a dumb client (which is IMHO =
(???) MUCH better model).
(???) nyway, before I make a total fool out of myself by explaining my =
(???) potentially) stupid ideas, I'll just ask one "hypothetical" question:
(???) hat happens if a client sends more than one row of text to the server?
(???) s far as I can see nothing bad happens. A gopher0 server reads one line =
(???) f text (the selector) from the client, dumps some data to the client =
(???) nd closes the connection. Any extra data the client sends is never even =
(???) ead by the server.
(IMG) 've tested this with bucktooth, pygopherd, gopherd and of course my own =
(???) gopherd (which was totally unmodified for this) and all worked just =
(???) ine (and by fine I mean they ignored the extra data).
(???) o, if anyone thinks this will break an existing server, please test it =
(???) ith the following netcat command (on Unix, should work with Cygwin on =
(???) indows) and send me the results.
(???) printf "/\r\nextra line\r\nanother\r\none\r\n" | nc <host> 70
(???) Kim
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(???) Anyway, before I make a total fool out of myself by explaining my
(???) (potentially) stupid ideas, I'll just ask one "hypothetical" question:
(???)
(???) What happens if a client sends more than one row of text to the server?
(TN3) echnically it is "undefined." However, servers that don't understand
(???) opher+ simply ignore it, and servers that do understand it should
(???) ecognize that the request is not Gopher+, and downgrade to the first
(SND) ituation. I can't see this breaking anything.
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(???) n Saturday 09 January 2010 22:23, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Anyway, before I make a total fool out of myself by explaining my
(???) (potentially) stupid ideas, I'll just ask one "hypothetical" question:
(???)
(???) What happens if a client sends more than one row of text to the server?
(IMG) checked it a minute ago on my Grumpy gopher server, and Grumpy is
gnoring the second (and any following) line. In fact, when the server
(GIF) ets the very first line, it stops listening to anything, and just
(???) utputs what it has to output, and close the connection.
(???) nyway - a support for Virtual Hosts could be indeed very interesting!
(???) n idea would to be to use additionnal lines of the request to put some
(???) xtra headers there (like in HTTP). Also, there should be some flag in
(???) he first line, which should indicate that it's an "extended" Gopher
(???) equest, to let the server now that it has to listen for some following
(???) ines (until, say, an empty CR/LF occurs).
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(IMG) think I promised to write down my thoughts about the gopher++
(???) xtensions to the original gopher0 protocol. I was going to implement it
(???) irst, make sure it works and only then document everything and send the
(???) xplanations to this list.... but I'm in a middle of major rewrite to
(???) gopherd so the implementation has to wait for a week or so. Besides,
(???) ven if I got kgopherd up and running with gopher++, I'd still be
(???) issing a client (which I'll write, eventually).
(???) o here goes, these are just mostly untested thoughts (that I WILL try
(???) ut as soon as possible). This is written in somewhat rfc-like offical
(???) ormat... but only somewhat.
(???) ==============================
(???) opeher++ protocol
(???) im Holviala <kim@holviala.com>
(???) = A primer to the original gopher0 ==
(TN3) he original gopher0 protocol from rfc1436 is as follows (C for client
(???) raffic, S for server replies):
(???) : <opens the connection>
(???) : /path/to/resource
(???) : <dumps the resource to the client>
(???) : <closes the connection>
(TN3) he "resource" above can be either a file, or a specially formatted
(GIF) opher menu (see rfc1436). Menus are just simple text files which
(DOC) escribe the file resources that can be downloaded. Menus also tell the
(???) lient what type of a file the resource is (text, image etc).
(TN3) here are a few major problems with that simplistic approach, mainly:
(DIR) ) the server doesn't know if the client wants a file, or a menu
(PHO) ) the client doesn't know if it's getting a file, or a menu
(ERR) ) the client has no knowledge of the charset of the file/menu
(HEX) ) the client doesn't know what type of a file it's getting
(???) roblems 1 & 2 don't seem that important at first, but consider this:
(???) he server has a menu and a file. Both are (accidentally) removed from
(???) he server but the clients keep requesting them. What kind of an error
(PNG) age will the server generate? A menu, or just plain text? The server
(???) annot know since it doesn't know what the client expects.
(???) roblem number 3 is a common one across all protocols. Server uses
(???) harset A while the client wants charset B. That's all fine, except that
(GIF) opher0 cannot transfer the encoding information between the server and
(???) he client.
(???) roblem number 4 is an interesting one. If the resource (file) is tagged
(???) y the server as type g, the client can be fairly certain that it's
(GIF) etting a GIF image. Except that when the image is removed and the
(SND) erver sends the error message in menu format. If resource is tagged as
(IMG) (generic image), the server can send out pretty much anything and the
(???) lient has no idea what it's getting.
(???) = How HTTP solves these problems ==
(???) ophers rival HTTP has solved these problems, in a way. In HTTP the
(???) lient asks for a resource, and the server gives it back a description
(???) f the data, and the actual data. Then it's the clients responsibility
(???) o figure out if the data it got back has anything to do with the data
t requested.
(TN3) his is really simple for the server as it can dump pretty much anything
(???) o the client as long as it's documented (with Content-Type et all). But
t's a pain to the client as it needs to understand every file format
(???) nd charset in the world (as it has no idea what it's getting). Hence
(???) he size of modern web browsers.
(???) = gopher++ (gopher1) protocol ==
(TN3) o solve these problems with gopher I'm suggesting the following
(???) xtensions which I call gopher++ (or gopher1).
(???) gopher++ transaction goes like this (again, C for client and S for
(SND) erver):
(DIR) C: <opens the connection to gopher.holviala.com>
(PHO) C: /path/to/resource
(ERR) C: Host: gopher.holviala.com
(HEX) C: Accept-Charset: UTF-8
(ARC) C: Accept: text/plain
(UUE) C: Referer: gopher://gopher.holviala.com/t/path/to/menu
(QRY) C: User-Agent: gopher++/0.1
(TEL) S: <dumps the resource to the client>
(BIN) S: <closes the connection>
(???) ines 1 & 2 are identical to the original gopher0 protocol, and so are
(???) ines 8 & 9. This makes gopher++ 100% backwards- and forwards-compliant
(???) ith gopher0. A gopher0 server never reads the additional headers the
(GIF) opher++ client sends. A gopher0 client connecting to gopher++ server
(GIF) ets back the resource just as it would get it back from an older
(GIF) opher0 server.
(IMG) f a gopher++ client is talking to a gopher++ server then the extra
(HTM) eaders come into effect.
(TN3) he Host: header tells the server the original hostname the client was
(???) onnecting to. This header allows the server to serve multiple hostnames
(???) nder one IP address (virtual hosting). A gopher++ client MUST always
(SND) end the Host header.
(TN3) he Accept-Charset: header tells the server what charset the client can
(HTM) andle. If a client sends the Accept-Charset header, the server MUST
(SND) end its reply using the charset speficied. If the resource has no
(???) eaning of charset, the server can ignore this header. If the client
(DOC) oes not send the Accept-Charset header, or if the server doesn't
(???) ecognize the charset the client requested, the server MUST serve the
(???) esource using the 7bit US-ASCII charset (if applicable).
(TN3) he Accept: header tells the server which type of content the client
(???) xpects. If the client sends the Accept header to the server, the server
(???) UST send its reply using the format the client requested. If the client
(DOC) oes not send the Accept header, if the server doesn't recognize the
(???) ontent-type client requested, or if the client requests a content-type
(???) f "application/octet-stream", the server must serve the resource in its
(???) riginal format, or format it thinks the client expects.
(TN3) he optional Referer: header tells the server from which URL the client
(???) ame from. This header is purely for server's benefit and the client can
(???) efuse to send it for privacy reasons.
(TN3) he User-Agent: header contains the client application name (and
(PNG) ossibly version). Clients SHOULD send this header as it helps servers
(???) rack down misbehaving clients.
(???) = Accept-headers and transcoding ==
(TN3) he Accept-Charset and Accept-headers in gopher++ require some more
(???) xplanation. As said above, if those headers exist, the server MUST obey
(???) hem. As the client can not know the kind of data it's getting back from
(???) he server, it must rely on the server to send exactly what was being
(???) equested.
(???) or Accept-Charset, if the server does not have the resource in the
(???) orrect charset the server MUST transcode the textual information to the
(???) harset the client requested (if applicable). This moves the burden of
(???) harset conversions from the client to the server. In gopher++ the
(???) lient never has to transcode textual information from one charset to
(???) nother.
(???) or the Accept-header, if the server does not have the resource in the
(???) orrect content-type, if at all possible the server MUST transcode the
(???) ontent to fit client requirements. This requirement makes clients small
(???) nd fast as they do not have to carry support for all possible resource
(???) ormats, nor do clients have to be recoded to recognize completely new
(???) ormats.
(TN3) he server MUST be able to offer all plain text information (text files
(???) nd gopher menus) in US-ASCII, Latin-1 and UTF-8 charsets. A client
(???) HOULD not request for anything else than the same three charsets.
(TN3) he server MUST be able to convert all image resources to GIF, PNG and
(???) PEG formats. A client SHOULD not request for any other format than
(???) hose three.
(TN3) he server SHOULD be able to convert PDF and PostScript resources to the
(???) ny of the above three image formats and to plain text. A client SHOULD
(???) ot ask for anything else.
(TN3) he server SHOULD be able to convert all audio resources to either WAV,
(???) P3 or OGG Vorbis. A client SHOULD not ask for any other format.
(TN3) he server SHOULD be able to convert all video resources to either MPEG
(???) r OGG Theora. As video transcoding is CPU-intensive and video formats
(???) re a moving target, the server is not obligated to obey client requests
(???) or video formats. A client SHOULD not ask for anything else than MPEG
(???) r OGG Theora, or "application/octet-stream" if it wants the original
(???) ideo stream.
(???) = gopher0 filetypes and request content-types ==
(???) table of old gopher0 filetypes and their matching gopher++ mimetypes.
(TN3) he video filetype is "v" instead of the commonly used ";".
(???) or example, if a gopher0 menu specifies that a resource is of type "0",
(???) client SHOULD not ask for anything else than application/gopher-menu.
(IMG) f the resource is of type "p", the server must be prepared to convert
(???) he pdf file to an static image or plain text. In all cases the client
(???) an ask for "application/octet-stream" in which case the server sends
(???) he resource as is.
(GIF) opher0 content-types
(???) ====== =============
(???) 0 text/plain
(???) 1 application/gopher-menu
(???) 7 application/gopher-menu
(???) 9 application/octet-stream
(???) g image/gif, image/png, image/jpeg
(???) h text/html, text/plain
(???) I image/gif, image/png, image/jpeg
(???) p application/pdf, image/*, text/plain
(???) s audio/wav, audio/mpeg, audio/ogg
(???) v video/mpeg, video/ogg
(???) = Examples ==
(TN3) hese examples lack the optional Referer: and User-Agent: headers for
(???) larity.
(???) lient requests the root menu:
(???) : <opens the connection>
(???) :
(???) : Host: foo.bar
(???) : Accept-Charset: UTF-8
(???) : Accept: application/gopher-menu
(???) : <sends the menu in UTF-8>
(???) : <closes the connection>
(???) lient uses an external PDF reader:
(???) : <opens the connection>
(???) : /doc/document.pdf
(???) : Host: foo.bar
(???) : Accept-Charset: US-ASCII
(???) : Accept: application/octet-stream
(???) : <dumps the original pdf, will NOT transcode to US-ASCII>
(???) : <closes the connection>
(???) lients wants to show the PDF in it's own window as text:
(???) : <opens the connection>
(???) : /doc/document.pdf
(???) : Host: foo.bar
(???) : Accept-Charset: US-ASCII
(???) : Accept: text/plain
(???) : <converts the pdf to US-ASCII text and dumps it>
(???) : <closes the connection>
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(???) : /doc/
(???) : Host: foo.bar
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(???) : Accept: application/gopher-menu
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(???) : <closes the connection>
(???) lient is requesting an image that doesn't exist:
(???) : <opens the connection>
(???) : /images/missing.jpeg
(???) : Host: foo.bar
(???) : Accept: application/octet-stream
(???) : <either sends the error as an jpeg image, or sends nothing>
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(???) n 2010-01-11 00:46, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) I think I promised to write down my thoughts about the gopher++
(???) extensions to the original gopher0 protocol.
(TN3) here were some pretty big mistakes in the document... I'll try to find
(SND) ome time today to fix some of the most glaring bugs :-).
(???) ote to myself: Next time you're writing a spec, do it while you're awake.
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(???) n 11.1.2010 10:52, Dennis Schulmeister wrote:
(???) > There were some pretty big mistakes in the document... I'll try to
(???) > find some time today to fix some of the most glaring bugs :-).
(???)
(???) Interesting thoughts. Two (Ok, three) things I noticed while reading:
(???)
(???) There needs to be a way the server can detect that the client doesn't
(???) want to send more data. Usually there's a blank line after the header
(???) fields indicating this.
(???) .. and that was the biggest mistake I had in the document. There were
(???) ther glaring bugs too which I'll fix as well (like the requirement for
(???) server to be able to convert html to text).
(???) o yes, a gopher++ client sends an empty CRLF when it's done with the
(HTM) eaders. A gopher++ server is required to read the gopher0 selector and
(???) ait for some predefined time for the extra headers (0.01 seconds?) and
f the extra headers don't come it's expected to handle the request as
(GIF) opher0.
(???) Visually impaired people usually use screen readers which read text out.
(???) So there's no need for the server to handle this, too. :)
(TN3) hat was just an example :-), besides the document said the server
(DOC) oesn't have to obey stupid requests like that...
(???) I think there should be a special request sent by the client in order to
(???) probe the server for its capabilities.
(IMG) thought about that but couldn't figure out a clean way to do it. Maybe
(???) he client could request a special selector (say, "server-status") which
(???) ould then contain machine-readable information about the server. Even
(GIF) opher0 servers could then provide server-status just by serving out a
(SND) tatic text file.
(IMG) think I'll include server-status to the next revision of the document.
(???) You're requesting quite a lot on
(???) the server side and a specific implementation might not be able to do it
(???) all. e.g. I got my gopher server running on a small host with only few
(???) available resources (by today's standards). It would take several
(???) minutes to transcode a bigger pdf document into png images.
(IMG) f the server cannot transcode the resource then the resource is sent as
s. This sounds a bit rough until you realize that it's exactly what
(GIF) opher0 does -> no transcoding = fallback to gopher0. A client is
(???) xpected to check that it's getting what it was asking without
(SND) egfaulting (another thing that was missing from the doc).
(???) y current server is a beefy virtual machine on a quad-xeon and lots of
(???) emory, but one of these days I'll set up my SGI O2 with IRIX/6.5 and
(???) ove everything over to that machine so I'm not really counting on raw
(???) PU power.
(???) ut, to be honest my primary motivation in the spec *was* to keep the
(???) lient as simple as possible and move all possible CPU-bound tasks to
(???) he server. It's always easier to add server capacity than it is to add
(???) lient capacity (since admins providing the content have no control over
(???) lients).
(???) Kim
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(???) n Monday 11 January 2010 10:22 (CET), Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) So yes, a gopher++ client sends an empty CRLF when it's done with the
(???) headers. A gopher++ server is required to read the gopher0 selector and
(???) wait for some predefined time for the extra headers (0.01 seconds?) and
(???) if the extra headers don't come it's expected to handle the request as
(???) gopher0.
(TN3) hat's not a way to go.
(???) hat if the TCP packet containing your second line got lost? The TCP
(???) etransmission mechanism won't resend it in those 0.01 second.
(???) s I wrote before, there *must* be some kind of a flag in the very first
(???) ine of the Gopher request, which would indicate to the server wheter it
(HTM) as to wait for other lines to come or not.
(???) I thought about that but couldn't figure out a clean way to do it. Maybe
(???) the client could request a special selector (say, "server-status") which
(???) would then contain machine-readable information about the server. Even
(???) gopher0 servers could then provide server-status just by serving out a
(???) static text file.
(???) hat about a CAPABILITIES selector? That's already used in NNTP and POP3,
(???) nd probably in some other protocols...
(???) If the server cannot transcode the resource then the resource is sent as
(???) is.
(TN3) hat's not what you wrote before: "the server MUST send its reply using
(???) he format the client requested.".
(???) nyway, the whole transcoding idea seems odd to me. The client already
(???) now what to expect, as that's specified in the gopher URL by the gopher
(???) ype... Plus, you're limiting the protocol to some specific file format,
(???) hich is plainly wrong.
(???) bout the "Accept-Charset" header: It seems useless to me... The server
(???) on't be able to transcode a given 8bit charset into another one, as
(???) hat's simply impossible. Why not simply stating, that any Gopher++
(DOC) ocument *has* to be provided in UTF-8?
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) o you've basically reinvented HTTP with slightly different syntax
(???) nd with all burden of rendering the content on the server side.
(???) lthough this may seem to solve some problems, you request that both
(???) lient and server become quite a complicated programs neglecting one
(???) f the most important features of Gopher, i.e. simplicity. Some of
(???) hese problems are already solved in Gopher+ in less obtrusive fashion
(???) han your proposal. Yet there are only few implementations that would
(???) ake use of it.
(TN3) he whole idea of server transcoding data for client is ridiculous for me.
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(???) n 11.1.2010 12:03, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) > So yes, a gopher++ client sends an empty CRLF when it's done with
(???) > the headers. A gopher++ server is required to read the gopher0
(???) > selector and wait for some predefined time for the extra headers
(???) > (0.01 seconds?) and if the extra headers don't come it's expected
(???) > to handle the request as gopher0.
(???)
(???) That's not a way to go. What if the TCP packet containing your second
(???) line got lost? The TCP retransmission mechanism won't resend it in
(???) those 0.01 second.
(???) irst of all - I was _going_ to test this all out live with actual
(???) lients and actual live internet connections before even talking about
t. But since I broke my server software so badly rewriting it (which I
(DOC) on't regret :-) it's going to take some time before I can actually do
t. Might have been stupid, but I decided to just post the ideas untested.
(IMG) was going to address that packet loosing thing too. A TCP packet is
(GIF) enerally at least 1K in size. Why would a gopher++ client purposefully
(SND) plit the selector and the first header line into two TCP packets? They
(???) it into one packet just fine, and the rest of the headers can come in
(SND) eparate TCP packets as after the first extra header the server will
(???) ead headers until that empty line.
(???) As I wrote before, there *must* be some kind of a flag in the very
(???) first line of the Gopher request, which would indicate to the server
(???) wheter it has to wait for other lines to come or not.
(TN3) hat breaks gopher0 which I was not willing to do. Extra lines don't.
(???) > the client could request a special selector (say, "server-status")
(???) > which would then contain machine-readable information about the
(???) > server.
(???)
(???) What about a CAPABILITIES selector? That's already used in NNTP and
(???) POP3, and probably in some other protocols...
(TN3) rue. I just took the "server-status" from Apache/LigHTTPD... I think
(???) APABILITIES is actually a better one as server-status doesn't really do
(???) he same thing....
(???) hat about for format for CAPABILITIES? Mime-style "Key: Value"?
(???) asically the most important thing there would be the gopher version
(SND) upported (0, + or 1).
(???) > If the server cannot transcode the resource then the resource is
(???) > sent as is.
(???)
(???) That's not what you wrote before: "the server MUST send its reply
(???) using the format the client requested.".
(IMG) never said the doc would be coherent :-). I was way too tired when I
(???) as writing it - I just wanted to spit the first version out as soon as
(PNG) ossible and fix it later (I'm not much of a writer).
(???) ...]
(???) If the client does not send the Accept header, if the server doesn't
(???) ecognize the content-type client requested, or if the client requests a
(???) ontent-type of "application/octet-stream", the server must serve the
(???) esource in its original format, or format it thinks the client expects. "
(???) asically, that gives the server a backdoor to just dump the resource as
s to the client, just like in gopher0.
(???) Anyway, the whole transcoding idea seems odd to me.
(TN3) he reason was to make the client as simple as possible. It's easy to
(???) dd support to new formats in the server - it's really freaking hard to
(???) dd support in clients. Witness PNG in HTML - it took about nearly 10
(???) ears to get accepted even though it was clearly a superior format to
(???) IF - all because client support wasn't there (MsIE).
(???) The client already know what to expect, as that's specified in the
(???) gopher URL by the gopher type...
(???) eah, but that gopher type never gets to the server so the _server_
(DOC) oesn't know what to give to the client.
(???) onsider the selector "/test". What's a server to do? Serving out an MP3
(???) ile called "test" is a perfectly valid reply. Serving out a text file
(???) alled "test" is just as good.
(???) Plus, you're limiting the protocol to some specific file format,
(???) which is plainly wrong.
(IMG) actually just took the lowest common denominators. And I'm not
(???) imiting anything - a client can always send out an "Accept:
(???) pplication/octet-stream" to get the original data unmodified.
(???) About the "Accept-Charset" header: It seems useless to me... The
(???) server won't be able to transcode a given 8bit charset into another
(???) one, as that's simply impossible.
(???) hat's wrong with iconv(3)? Of course the server has to know the
(???) riginating charset to do the conversion, but that's a _server_ problem,
(???) ot a client problem. Right now the server dumps out stuff and then the
(???) lient has to figure out what it got...
(???) Why not simply stating, that any Gopher++ document *has* to be
(???) provided in UTF-8?
(???) ecause that's not compatible with gopher0.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 11.1.2010 12:33, Kacper Gutowski wrote:
(???) So you've basically reinvented HTTP with slightly different syntax
(???) and with all burden of rendering the content on the server side.
(IMG) don't think those two are the same things. Yeah, I took a lot from
(???) TTP/1.1, but that's not a bad protocol at all.
(???) Although this may seem to solve some problems, you request that both
(???) client and server become quite a complicated programs neglecting one
(???) of the most important features of Gopher, i.e. simplicity.
(???) es, servers would be *a lot more* complicated. But clients would be
(SND) impler as they could count on the server to do what's being asked.
(???) onsider this: you're doing a client to Commodore 64 and can only fit in
(???) ne image decoder routine. Which one would you choose? With gopher++
(???) ou'd choose the one that's easiest on the client resources and then ask
(???) he server to serve out all images in using that format. With gopher0
(???) ou'll choose one format and all the other image formats are unaccessible.
(???) et's continue with the Commodore 64 example. Can you fit iconv() into
(???) he little old C=64? No, you probably can't. So what will you do with
(???) ext that has high-bit characters? Do you count on it being Latin-1 like
(???) he original RFC says? Do you trust it to be UTF-8? Do you try to
(???) agically sniff the content charset? With gopher++ you don't have to,
(???) ust ask the server to send out everything in US-ASCII.
(???) hat if you want to read an HTML document through gopher on your C=64?
(???) ith gopher0 your client has to know HTML (and we know what kind of a
(???) ess that is). How about PDF? Can you fit an PDF reader + everything
(???) lse into the C=64? Probably not. With gopher++ you'll just tell the
(SND) erver to send text/plain and be done with it. Or if your C=64 gopher++
(???) lient knows GIFs you can just ask the server to serve the PDFs as GIFs.
(???) The whole idea of server transcoding data for client is ridiculous for me.
(???) eems pretty good to me.... If we take 1 server and 100 clients, I know
(???) here I would prefer my file format support to be - in the same place
(???) here the actual files are.
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(???) n Monday 11 January 2010 13:09, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Seems pretty good to me.... If we take 1 server and 100 clients, I know
(???) where I would prefer my file format support to be - in the same place
(???) where the actual files are.
(???) ou can't do any automated transcoding just like that. It's not that easy.
(TN3) he big problem about your whole transcoding stuff is that a transcoded
(DOC) ocument is not the same document anymore. Say, that I create a PDF
(DOC) ocument where most information is vector graphic. If the client ask for
(???) s-ascii text, an automated transcoding program will simply drop all
(???) hings which are not bare text, and my PDF will look like crap.
(TN3) hat's why in my opinion, applying *any* automated transcoding is wrong.
(IMG) f I want my document to be readable by C64 owners, I will write it in a
(???) ay that will allow that.
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(???) n 2010-01-11 14:29, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) You can't do any automated transcoding just like that. It's not that easy.
(???) an 1 convert
(IMG) mageMagick handles image conversions just fine - I've used it before to
(SND) ee images I didn't have viewer support for. LibC iconv() handles
(???) harset conversions without any problems.
(IMG) agree that converting PDFs and videos is complicated, that's why the
(DOC) ocument said "SHOULD" for those.
(???) The big problem about your whole transcoding stuff is that a transcoded
(???) document is not the same document anymore.
(???) o, it's not. What's wrong with that? The client can easily get the
(???) riginal resource if it so chooses (simply by not sending the Accept
(HTM) eader).
(???) > Say, that I create a PDF
(???) document where most information is vector graphic. If the client ask for
(???) us-ascii text, an automated transcoding program will simply drop all
(???) things which are not bare text, and my PDF will look like crap.
(TN3) rue. But if a client asks for it to be converted to PNG it'll look just
(???) ine. Reading the manual it seems that very same convert(1) will convert
(???) DFs to images.
(???) ..]
(IMG) downloaded the first PDF I found from Google (2010 Form W-4) and
(SND) imply tried this (without reading the manpages):
(???) kimmy@t61 Desktop]$ convert fw4.pdf fw4.png
(???) kimmy@t61 Desktop]$ echo $?
(TXT)
(???) kimmy@t61 Desktop]$ ls -la *png
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 kimmy users 64563 2010-01-11 14:43 fw4-0.png
(???) rw-r--r-- 1 kimmy users 51280 2010-01-11 14:43 fw4-1.png
(???) ow that wasn't too hard? Definately easier than coding PDF support into
(???) he client. Now all the server has to do is to stitch those two images
(???) ogether (there might have been a convert option for that too).
(???) That's why in my opinion, applying *any* automated transcoding is wrong.
(???) If I want my document to be readable by C64 owners, I will write it in a
(???) way that will allow that.
(???) xcept that, of course, you don't. Neither do I. We don't do it because
(???) e just don't care. A theoretical C=64 user will care, though, but
(???) hat's his problem for not using the latest Firefox on a quad Xeon, right?
(???) Kim
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(???) n 2010-01-11 14:09:06, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Yes, servers would be *a lot more* complicated. But clients would be
(???) simpler as they could count on the server to do what's being asked.
(IMG) n order to support your Gopher++, clients would need to have
(SND) ophisticated detection and fallback routines because server is
(???) ree to fail some conversions even if it supports Gopher++.
(???) Consider this: you're doing a client to Commodore 64 and can only
(???) fit in one image decoder routine. Which one would you choose? With
(???) gopher++ you'd choose the one that's easiest on the client resources
(???) and then ask the server to serve out all images in using that
(???) format. With gopher0 you'll choose one format and all the other
(???) image formats are unaccessible.
(IMG) would choose to do a plain text. After all that's what is Gopher for.
(???) nd if there are really such strict limitations I'd simply stick to
(???) riginal Gopher protocol. Mind that many would like to put their servers
(???) n such limited devices.
(???) Let's continue with the Commodore 64 example. Can you fit iconv()
(???) into the little old C=64? No, you probably can't. So what will you
(???) do with text that has high-bit characters? Do you count on it being
(???) Latin-1 like the original RFC says? Do you trust it to be UTF-8? Do
(???) you try to magically sniff the content charset? With gopher++ you
(???) don't have to, just ask the server to send out everything in
(???) US-ASCII.
(IMG) would be really happy to be able to just assume that's UTF-8.
(???) erver can not do much with non-Latin text when asked to serve it
(???) s US-ASCII anyway.
(???) What if you want to read an HTML document through gopher on your
(???) C=64? With gopher0 your client has to know HTML (and we know what
(???) kind of a mess that is).
(???) (...)
(IMG) t is an internet gopher right? Author surely had provided a plain text
(???) ersion if that was possible. If that is not, automatic conversion won't
(PNG) robably do anything useful out of it either.
(???) >The whole idea of server transcoding data for client is ridiculous for me.
(???)
(???) Seems pretty good to me.... If we take 1 server and 100 clients, I
(???) know where I would prefer my file format support to be - in the same
(???) place where the actual files are.
(TN3) hat's a 1 server going out of resources pretty fast.
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(???) n 2010-01-11 14:48:55, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Now that wasn't too hard? Definately easier than coding PDF support
(???) into the client. Now all the server has to do is to stitch those two
(???) images together (there might have been a convert option for that
(???) too).
(???) ot as easy as coding PDF support into server, right? No, really
(???) hat's not a point. Conversion may be possible for some certain formats
(???) ut it's wrong to rely on it especially on the server side where end user
(HTM) as no control on what's going on and has no idea whether the result
s similar to the original or not.
(???) nd it's wrong to concentrate all the load on the server.
(???) opher may be enough unpopular these days that this won't hurt but
(???) hy should we rely on this?
(???) asically server should serve data that was put on it. If I want it
(???) o be more accessible I'd put a version in more accessible format,
(PNG) referably plain text (preferably English because of problem with
(???) ncoding).
(???) Except that, of course, you don't. Neither do I. We don't do it
(???) because we just don't care. A theoretical C=64 user will care,
(???) though, but that's his problem for not using the latest Firefox on a
(???) quad Xeon, right?
(???) on't you think that it would be MUCH easier to care instead of
(???) loating a server with this conversion stuff?
(???) atest Firefox - that's an interesting subject on its own.
(???) urrent web browsers became oversized and bloated with features that
(???) re required by various standards and with a lot of other features
(???) hat nobody ever use. And what's even worse current Firefox has only
(PNG) artial support for gopher (unless fixed with additional software like
(???) verbite). But you see, not so long ago there was a rule of thumb
(SND) aying that your web design is bad if it's not legible in text-based
(???) rowser.
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(???) ello,
(???) im Holviala wrote:
(???)
(???) The server SHOULD be able to convert all audio resources to either WAV,
(???) MP3 or OGG Vorbis. A client SHOULD not ask for any other format.
(???) opher and the lossy audio codecs?
(???) uch restrictions in the protocol are not future-proof.
(???) y problems with Gopher are, that there is no way to get just
(???) chunk of a file and there is no way to determine out of the
(SND) elector string, if the request will return me a menu or a
(???) ile.
(TN3) he gopherfs I've written a while back needed to download the
(???) hole file to creating the required thumbnails for the file
(???) anagers. Another problem was, that you don't know, what you
(???) ill get back, when trying to get a selector.
(???) good Gopher alternative should be a simple single request
(???) ased protocol, which includes the hierarchy definition. All
(???) hat file type bloat could be left to a simple extension match-
ng or more magic, coming from file(1).
(???) f course, this will leave no backward compatibility, which
s the intention of an "alternative".
(???) s an idea, there should be only two types in the protocol:
(???) enu and file. The client can request a file or a menu and
(???) he server has to follow. This would for example allow us
(???) o send back the file size in this metadata, when you request
(???) he "menu" of that file. By having such a feature, a file
(SND) ystem interpretation of the protocol could always determine,
f the selector is a file or a menu.
(???) incerely,
(???) hristoph
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(???) n Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Kacper Gutowski <mwgamera@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) On 2010-01-11 14:48:55, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) > Now that wasn't too hard? Definately easier than coding PDF support
(???) > into the client. Now all the server has to do is to stitch those two
(???) > images together (there might have been a convert option for that
(???) > too).
(???)
(???) Not as easy as coding PDF support into server, right? =A0No, really
(???) that's not a point. =A0Conversion may be possible for some certain formats
(???) but it's wrong to rely on it especially on the server side where end user
(???) has no control on what's going on and has no idea whether the result
(???) is similar to the original or not.
(???)
(???) GI: was it or was it not written for exactly these purposes?
(???) emanding conversion from the server is an incredibly silly thing to
(DOC) o in the standard.
(???) r are you planning on providing an open library for all textual
(???) ormats available?
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(IMG) n fairness to Kim, we did talk a little more favourably about having the
(SND) erver handle transcoding a few months ago.
(IMG) don't mind server transcoding, btw, but my problems with Kim's ideas
(???) re:
(???) Performance issues for the server figuring out if it has a gopher0 or
(???) gopher1 response. This is the big kicker for me, though I appreciate the
(???) attempt at backwards compatibility.
(???) The server needs to be able to tell the client it *refused* to transcode,
(???) or couldn't.
(???) Conversely,
(???) The server needs to be able to tell the client there is nothing to
(???) transcode (or simply a file not found), even if it is willing to.
(IMG) support putting much of the work on the server, because I think Gopher's
(???) iggest benefit is a VIC-20 could be made to be a gopher client. Indeed,
mplementing gopher clients is now very popular in retrocomputing circles
(???) ecause it has little or no barrier to entry. I think this is a key way to
(PNG) lay to Gopher's strengths.
(TN3) hat said, the three issues I have above would need to be resolved to my
(SND) atisfaction before I'd support such a scheme in, say, Overbite or GopherVR.
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(???) n Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???)
(???) The server MUST be able to convert all image resources to GIF, PNG and JPEG
(???) formats. A client SHOULD not request for any other format than those three.
(???)
(???) hat's with the vector hate?
(???) The server SHOULD be able to convert PDF and PostScript resources to the any
(???) of the above three image formats and to plain text. A client SHOULD not ask
(???) for anything else.
(???)
(???) hat about rtf, doc and docx?
(???) The server SHOULD be able to convert all audio resources to either WAV, MP3
(???) or OGG Vorbis. A client SHOULD not ask for any other format.
(???)
(???) hat about us who have to have our audio in a lossless format?
(???) The server SHOULD be able to convert all video resources to either MPEG or
(???) OGG Theora. As video transcoding is CPU-intensive and video formats are a
(???) moving target, the server is not obligated to obey client requests for video
(???) formats. A client SHOULD not ask for anything else than MPEG or OGG Theora,
(???) or "application/octet-stream" if it wants the original video stream.
(???)
(???) hy not h.264?
(???) ou can make it quite small and still retain awesome amounts of quality.
(???) n Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) I support putting much of the work on the server, because I think Gopher's
(???) biggest benefit is a VIC-20 could be made to be a gopher client.
(???) et's not forget that the same machine can be a gopher server!
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(???) > I support putting much of the work on the server, because I think Gopher's
(???) > biggest benefit is a VIC-20 could be made to be a gopher client.
(???)
(???) Let's not forget that the same machine can be a gopher server!
(???) uite, which is why I want servers to be able to refuse to transcode. But I
(???) hink allowing it *facultatively* is overall beneficial.
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(???) n 2010-01-11 15:49, Kacper Gutowski wrote:
(???) > Yes, servers would be *a lot more* complicated. But clients would be
(???) > simpler as they could count on the server to do what's being asked.
(???)
(???) In order to support your Gopher++, clients would need to have
(???) sophisticated detection and fallback routines because server is
(???) free to fail some conversions even if it supports Gopher++.
(???) ell, everything falls back to gopher0. So basically, what you're saying
s that "rfc1436"-compliant gopher client needs sophisticated detection
(???) nd fallback routines - which incidently is true.
(???) image transcoding]
(???) I would choose to do a plain text. After all that's what is Gopher for.
(TN3) rue. I got a bit carried away with stuff when I was writing it... I
(???) hink I should remove all traces of audio and video from the doc. Even
(???) he image format conversions are a bit off - but definately useful as
mages *are* important.
(???) And if there are really such strict limitations I'd simply stick to
(???) original Gopher protocol. Mind that many would like to put their servers
(???) on such limited devices.
(DIR) 00% backward and forward compatibility. What's stopping you from using
(???) text-only gopher0 client? Why would you be bothered at the extra stuff
(???) he server offers?
(???) > do with text that has high-bit characters? Do you count on it being
(???) > Latin-1 like the original RFC says? Do you trust it to be UTF-8? Do
(???) > you try to magically sniff the content charset?
(???)
(???) I would be really happy to be able to just assume that's UTF-8.
(???) ou can't, as gopher0 doesn't say it's UTF-8.
(???) Server can not do much with non-Latin text when asked to serve it
(???) as US-ASCII anyway.
(IMG) f I serve out standard Latin-1 menus my Firefox (both Win and Linux)
(???) arfs and won't print those resource lines (don't know why). Stripping
(???) he high-bit chars away at least lets me read most of the text. This
sn't some hypothetical thing either, this is what I encountered with my
(???) TF-8 filenames I was serving out.
(???) > Seems pretty good to me.... If we take 1 server and 100 clients, I
(???) > know where I would prefer my file format support to be - in the same
(???) > place where the actual files are.
(???)
(???) That's a 1 server going out of resources pretty fast.
(TN3) hat might be, but we don't know it until someone (me) tries it. But I
(DOC) on't think the server runs out of resources - I'm not planning on doing
(???) he conversions more than one (caching does exist).
(???) Kim
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(???) n Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) > That's a 1 server going out of resources pretty fast.
(???)
(???) That might be, but we don't know it until someone (me) tries it. But I don't
(???) think the server runs out of resources - I'm not planning on doing the
(???) conversions more than one (caching does exist).
(???) ree space on harddrive counts as resources too.
(???) nd if you're gonna cache a... transcoded... file.
(???) hy not just convert it in the first place and offer that instead?
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(???) n 2010-01-11 16:18, Kacper Gutowski wrote:
(???) Conversion may be possible for some certain formats but it's wrong to
(???) rely on it especially on the server side where end user has no
(???) control on what's going on and has no idea whether the result is
(???) similar to the original or not.
(???) ell, if the choise is between reading/seeing a non-original version or
(???) ot being able to read/see anything, i'll take the modified version any day.
(???) ust as a test, 10 minutes ago I downloaded a simple 2-page PostScript
(???) ile to a webserver and tried to take a look at it in both Windows and
(???) inux. Both failed, which was unexpected since I was counting on Linux
(SND) upporting pretty much anything. With server conversion to say, pdf, I
(???) ould have at least took a look at it.
(???) Kim
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(???) n 2010-01-11 18:18, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
(???) > The server SHOULD be able to convert all audio resources to either WAV,
(???) > MP3 or OGG Vorbis. A client SHOULD not ask for any other format.
(???)
(???) Gopher and the lossy audio codecs?
(???) Such restrictions in the protocol are not future-proof.
(???) evermind any of the sound/video things... I got a bit carried away -
(???) one of that should have been in the document.
(???) My problems with Gopher are, that there is no way to get just
(???) a chunk of a file and there is no way to determine out of the
(???) selector string, if the request will return me a menu or a
(???) file.
(???) y extensions won't help you there. I was trying to achieve more
(???) eatures with 100% gopher0 compatibility, and even if what you're asking
s important (and it is) I just couldn't figure out a way to do it.
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(???) n Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) Just as a test, 10 minutes ago I downloaded a simple 2-page PostScript file
(???) to a webserver and tried to take a look at it in both Windows and Linux.
(???) Both failed, which was unexpected since I was counting on Linux supporting
(???) pretty much anything. With server conversion to say, pdf, I could have at
(???) least took a look at it.
(???)
(???) ust as a test, I downloaded two simple PDFs and ran them through a converter.
(???) oth failed, which was unexpected since I was counting on the converters for
(???) aking them available anywhere. Though with proper software installed,
(IMG) could've
(???) aken a look at them.
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(???) n 2010-01-11 19:35, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) In fairness to Kim, we did talk a little more favourably about having the
(???) server handle transcoding a few months ago.
(???) on't worry, I have a thick skin :-). Like I said, I'm just trying to
(???) ind something to do other than mindlessly browsing websites.
(???) I don't mind server transcoding, btw, but my problems with Kim's ideas
(???) are:
(???)
(???) - Performance issues for the server figuring out if it has a gopher0 or
(???) gopher1 response. This is the big kicker for me, though I appreciate the
(???) attempt at backwards compatibility.
(???) ou mean the select(2) on stdin to figure out if more data is coming?
(TN3) hat's not really a performance issue.... Yeah, the server has to have a
(SND) mall delay, but that can be really small (max tenth of a second), and
(???) he delay is only for gopher0 clients.
(???) - The server needs to be able to tell the client it *refused* to transcode,
(???) or couldn't.
(TN3) hat's certainly something I left out, mostly because of backwards
(???) ompatibility. Since all the client is getting back is the file with no
(???) etadata (gopher0) there's not much I can do... Like I said, I was
(???) iming for 100% gopher0 compatibility.
(???) Conversely,
(???) - The server needs to be able to tell the client there is nothing to
(???) transcode (or simply a file not found), even if it is willing to.
(GIF) opher0 doesn't really allow sending metadata to the client... And I
(???) anted everything to fall back to gopher0 cleanly.
(???) I support putting much of the work on the server, because I think Gopher's
(???) biggest benefit is a VIC-20 could be made to be a gopher client.
(TN3) hat was my idea with the extensions. Although I was not really thinking
(???) bout the mighty VICs but mostly mobile stuff. I was trying to browse
(???) he web a week ago on a mobile GPRS connection on a moving train, and
(???) et me tell you that it wasn't fun. Gopher on the other hand worked nicely.
(???) That said, the three issues I have above would need to be resolved to my
(???) satisfaction before I'd support such a scheme in, say, Overbite or GopherVR.
(???) h, my intention was never to "get support" from others :-). I was going
(???) o code a server and a client(s) all by myself just to see if the spec
(???) ould work or not.
(???) Kim
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(IMG) think it was a mistake posting the "spec" without having a proof of
(???) oncept server and client available for testing. Most of the emails have
(???) asically said that "it can't work" when I'm fairly certain that it will
(???) ork.
(IMG) guess I'll just shut up now and continue trying to fix my server so I
(???) an try it all out.
(???) I removed all globals and switched to a state struct which kinda broke
(???) he whole thing - that's the kind of spaghetti code you end up with when
(???) ou don't code at all for two-three years)
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(???) I think it was a mistake posting the "spec" without having a proof of
(???) concept server and client available for testing. Most of the emails have
(???) basically said that "it can't work" when I'm fairly certain that it will
(???) work.
(???)
(???) I guess I'll just shut up now and continue trying to fix my server so I
(???) can try it all out.
(???) roof of concept is always favourable. :)
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(???) n 2010-01-11 20:10, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) And if you're gonna cache a... transcoded... file.
(???) Why not just convert it in the first place and offer that instead?
(???) ecause people don't function like that. They say "works for me" and
(DOC) on't worry about others.
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(???) n 2010-01-11 20:59, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > I guess I'll just shut up now and continue trying to fix my server so I
(???) > can try it all out.
(???)
(???) Proof of concept is always favourable. :)
(IMG) agree. I'll get the server up and running soon (week or two, I'm
(???) eaching this week which kinda ruins any chance of getting code done).
(???) s for client I think you just have to live with echo piped to netcat as
(IMG) don't have a basic client ready (I'll have to do one from scratch).
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(???) n 2010-01-11 19:56, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) >> I support putting much of the work on the server, because I think Gopher's
(???) >> biggest benefit is a VIC-20 could be made to be a gopher client.
(???) >
(???) > Let's not forget that the same machine can be a gopher server!
(???)
(???) Quite, which is why I want servers to be able to refuse to transcode. But I
(???) think allowing it *facultatively* is overall beneficial.
(???) ell, if we stick on plain text (which is what you'd have to do with a
(???) IC anyway) always serving out US-ASCII works. Even if the client
(???) equests UTF-8 sending out US-ASCII is a valid thing to do (since
(???) S-ASCII is just a binary-compatible subset of UTF-8).
(???) ETSCII however is a completely different thing :-).
(???) Kim
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(???) n 2010-01-11 19:41, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) > The server MUST be able to convert all image resources to GIF, PNG and JPEG
(???) > formats. A client SHOULD not request for any other format than those three.
(???)
(???) What's with the vector hate?
(???) hat's with the hate towards my doc?
(IMG) didn't think of vector formats - the problem with them is that they're
(???) sually extremely complicated compared to raster stuff like GIF or even
(???) NG (I admit that JPEG is complicated too). SVG is nice though. The main
dea was simply to provide a mean for a small simple client to display
(SND) mall simple image formats (assisted by the server).
(???) > The server SHOULD be able to convert PDF and PostScript resources to the any
(???) > of the above three image formats and to plain text. A client SHOULD not ask
(???) > for anything else.
(???)
(???) What about rtf, doc and docx?
(???) m, who wouldn't want a converter from docx to ANY other format?
(???) > The server SHOULD be able to convert all audio resources to either WAV, MP3
(???) > or OGG Vorbis. A client SHOULD not ask for any other format.
(???)
(???) What about us who have to have our audio in a lossless format?
(???) ust download it as application/octet-stream. It's in the spec. Why
(???) ould you ask for an MP3 if you didn't want one?
(???) > The server SHOULD be able to convert all video resources to either MPEG or
(???)
(???) Why not h.264?
(???) You can make it quite small and still retain awesome amounts of quality.
(TN3) rue, but actually all of the movie (and sound) stuff should be removed
(???) rom the doc. I got a bit carried away with the conversion stuff....
(???) Kim
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(???) i,
(???) y first post to the list, so, hello everybody :)
(???) n 11 Jan 2010, at 18:11, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Well, if the choise is between reading/seeing a non-original version or not being able to read/see anything, i'll take the modified version any day.
(IMG) may be missing something with the discussion around transcoding files into another format (it happens more often than I'd like), but is this not the purpose of the +VIEWS block in the Gopher+ spec? Is this not an already solved problem?
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(???) n Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) On 2010-01-11 19:41, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???)
(???) >> The server MUST be able to convert all image resources to GIF, PNG and
(???) >> JPEG
(???) >> formats. A client SHOULD not request for any other format than those
(???) >> three.
(???) >
(???) > What's with the vector hate?
(???)
(???) What's with the hate towards my doc?
(???)
(???) h, so you want me to lie and say everything is fine?
(???) aturally I assumed that you're supposed to comment on drafts to
mprove their quality.
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(???) n 2010-01-11 21:29, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) >> What's with the vector hate?
(???) >
(???) > What's with the hate towards my doc?
(???)
(???) Oh, so you want me to lie and say everything is fine?
(???)
(???) Naturally I assumed that you're supposed to comment on drafts to
(???) improve their quality.
(???) f course I welcome comments. "What's with the vector hate" is just not
(???) he kind of comment I want. "You forgot vector files" is and you know it.
(???) ence the question, "What's with the hate towards my doc?"
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(???) n 2010-01-11 20:24, Ross Jones wrote:
(???) > Well, if the choise is between reading/seeing a non-original
(???) > version or not being able to read/see anything, i'll take the
(???) > modified version any day.
(???)
(???) I may be missing something with the discussion around transcoding
(???) files into another format (it happens more often than I'd like), but
(???) is this not the purpose of the +VIEWS block in the Gopher+ spec? Is
(???) this not an already solved problem?
(???) es, it exactly the same thing than views. Which is why I'm a bit
(???) affled why views are a good thing and my transcoding isn't...
(IMG) didn't add to gopher+ because I admire the simplicity that is gopher0.
(IMG) think that + was a bit rushed and kind of an ugly hack. I won't say
(???) ine is any better, though...
(???) Kim
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(???) n Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Kim Holviala <kim@holviala.com> wrote:
(???) On 2010-01-11 21:29, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) Of course I welcome comments. "What's with the vector hate" is just not the
(???) kind of comment I want. "You forgot vector files" is and you know it.
(???)
(???) Hence the question, "What's with the hate towards my doc?"
(???)
(IMG) t's incomplete and lacking, there's no hate just harsh words ;-)
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(???) n 2010-01-11 21:56:00, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Yes, it exactly the same thing than views. Which is why I'm a bit
(???) baffled why views are a good thing and my transcoding isn't...
(IMG) think that protocol should not impose any restrictions on the type
(???) f data. I wouldn't put anything about actual formats in a protocol
(SND) pecification except the way to negotiate the content because the
(???) ormats used may and will change sooner or later. Speaking about
(???) ontent negotiation - Gopher+ already has it. However Gopher+
(???) equires two-pass negotiation and I think that approach similar to
(???) TTP (as proposed here) might be more feasible.
(???) owever I think that since it would not be feasible to request that
(SND) erver is strictly required to do some conversions on its own.
(???) ow don't get this wrong. Having multiple views or formats of
(???) he same resource is a good idea and if you want you can provide those
(DOC) ynamically by transcoding data upon client request. But the protocol
tself should provide some higher abstraction of those. Specification
(SND) hould not care whether you manually put the files or do it in-the-fly.
(???) specially since now server doesn't have to know in advance what is
(???) vailable (like the Gopher+ VIEWS that have to be advertised before
(???) he actual request) but can check what is available after the request
s actually made.
(???) I didn't add to gopher+ because I admire the simplicity that is
(???) gopher0. I think that + was a bit rushed and kind of an ugly hack. I
(???) won't say mine is any better, though...
(???) ou might be right (I had the same feeling but after all it's not that
(???) ad), but your proposal is definitely more "rushed" :)
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(???) I didn't think of vector formats - the problem with them is that
(???) they're usually extremely complicated compared to raster stuff like
(???) GIF or even PNG (I admit that JPEG is complicated too). SVG is nice
(???) though. SVG is nice though.
(???) Um, who wouldn't want a converter from docx to ANY other format?
(???) lthough this is somewhat tangential to this discussion, it might be
(???) orth noting that SVG and docx, as XML files, should be amongst the
(SND) implest to convert to other formats. With the exception of converting
(???) n SVG to a raster format, it is normally just a case of applying the
(???) orrect XSLT style-sheet.
(IMG) 've been using XML to allow documents to be dynamically served in
(???) html on my website and plain-text in my gopherspace--as well as
(???) utomatically creating PDFs for printing--and have been very pleased
(???) ith the results. If I had a chance to start my websites from scratch,
(IMG) would be very tempted to do everything in DocBook for the ease of
(???) aintaining the same site on the web and in gopher.
(IMG) wouldn't rush too quickly to discard either SVG or docx just because
(???) f their ugly parts (and history); there are attractive aspects to them
(???) eing written in xml!
(???) est wishes,
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(???) n 2010-01-11 15:02:10, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) A theoretical client which purposefully splits the first two lines
(???) into two different TCP packets splitting them EXACTLY after the
(???) first CRLF gracefully falls back to standard gopher0. That's about
(???) as clean fallback as there can be.
(???) ou should never rely upon particular way of splitting the packages
(???) nd implemented as you write would be really wrong because I will
(???) ever know if the Random Number God will allow me to use gopher++
(???) eatures today or not (depending on timing and route of packages).
(TN3) hat's not graceful at all. Of course in typical environment it
(SND) hould work anyway but someday you may run out of luck.
(???) >Why not adding yet another<tab>? This way, old gopher servers won't
(???) >break. Just an idea.
(???)
(???) And not a bad idea at all. I just thought I could do it without
(???) adding anything to the selector. Unfortunately I couldn't test it so
(???) it's all a bit hypothetical.
(IMG) think that using additional tab and some flag after the selector would
(???) e MUCH better in terms of robustness and ease of implementation than any
(???) ther way of signaling the extension (some timeouts or whatever). I don't
(SND) ee any improvement in not doing it this way and I would strongly recommend
(???) his.
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(???) hy don't you rather extend gopher+ protocol? It already provides some
(???) f the features, that you would like, and the rest of them are much
(???) asier to implement in a way, that is "standard compliant". Gopher+
(???) lients (e.g. UMN Gopher client) run on all the platforms your new
(???) lient would run on, so it would be a matter of updating them, to make
(???) hem work with your extensions. And there are some new gopher+ clients
(???) ut there (I wrote this one:
(HTM) ttp://sites.google.com/site/matjaz85/gopherclient), Cameron also
(???) entioned he is planing gopher+ support in his Overbite ... Perhaps
(GIF) opher+ is the way to go if you want more than plain gopher0.
(???) atjaz
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(???) Why don't you rather extend gopher+ protocol? It already provides some
(???) of the features, that you would like, and the rest of them are much
(???) easier to implement in a way, that is "standard compliant". Gopher+
(???) clients (e.g. UMN Gopher client) run on all the platforms your new
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(???) them work with your extensions. And there are some new gopher+ clients
(???) out there (I wrote this one:
(???) http://sites.google.com/site/matjaz85/gopherclient), Cameron also
(???) mentioned he is planing gopher+ support in his Overbite ... Perhaps
(???) gopher+ is the way to go if you want more than plain gopher0.
(???) bout that -- that idea is based on Gopher+ taking off. But I have no
(PNG) articular marriage to it, and I'm a rather reluctant fan of Gopher+ since
t tends to trump other extensions due to its pedigree and already
(???) xisting pre-support. If someone came up with something better, I have no
(PNG) roblem putting Gopher+ in the dustbin.
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(???) ust wanted to update that germ 0.3 is now available for download at:
(GIF) opher://sdf.org/1/users/wt/soft/my/germ
(IMG) t has the added ability to handle tags, links, post shortening, and to
(???) ount comments.
(???) working version can be seen here:
(GIF) opher://sdf.org/1/users/wt/germ.cgi
(IMG) 'd really appreciate it if anybody using an executable enabled server other
(???) han Bucktooth could let me know how it works with their server and any bugs
t has. It works fine with SDF's bucktooth server.
(TN3) hanks,
(???) esley
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(???) ust wanted to update that germ 0.3 is now available for download at:<br>go=
(PNG) her://<a href=3D"http://sdf.org/1/users/wt/soft/my/germ">sdf.org/1/users/w=
(???) /soft/my/germ</a><br><br>It has the added ability to handle tags, links, p=
(???) st shortening, and to count comments.=C2=A0 <br>
(???) br>A working version can be seen here:<br>gopher://<a href=3D"http://sdf.o=
(???) g/1/users/wt/germ.cgi">sdf.org/1/users/wt/germ.cgi</a><br><br>I'd real=
(???) y appreciate it if anybody using an executable enabled server other than B=
(???) cktooth could let me know how it works with their server and any bugs it h=
(???) s.=C2=A0 It works fine with SDF's bucktooth server.<br>
(???) br>Thanks,<br>Wesley<br>
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(???) Just wanted to update that germ 0.3 is now available for download at:
(???) gopher://sdf.org/1/users/wt/soft/my/germ
(???)
(???) It has the added ability to handle tags, links, post shortening, and to
(???) count comments.
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(???) A working version can be seen here:
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(TN3) hat's some nice work. Well done.
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(???) opherVR 0.4 is out. This should really shore up the groundwork. Go get it.
(???) inaries available for Mac OS X 10.4-10.6, and this includes Jeroen's
(PNG) atches for Debian. Here is the complete changelog:
(???) Jeroen Schot)
(???) Patches for compilation on Debian lenny
(???) Cameron Kaiser)
(???) Menu reorganization, including stub menus for future features (bookmarks etc)
(???) More accelerator and shortcut keys
(???) Save to disk for unrecognized item types now enabled (to be expanded later)
(???) Rotational and translational speeds are now relative to CPU speed
(???) FPS counter in status bar
(???) Mousemoves are now normalized to the size of the VR window
(???) Double left click equivalent with middle button for selection and jumping
(???) Application remembers window positions in ~/.gophervrwindows. This needs a
(???) kludge for X11.app DAMN YOU APPLE
(???) Menu window now opens clear of the VR window status bar
(???) Menu window can be closed and the VR window used by itself without crashing
(???) the application (and reopened from File > Show Gopher Menu -- although
(???) it does not properly update when reopened yet)
(???) Menu window resizes menu list to same relative size when resized
(???) Text window now snaps back to top after loading
(???) Text window properly gives confirmation when files are saved
(???) hURLs are now green
(???) Folder icons have a slant "tab" for better visual distinction. I might do
(???) a properly modeled object later.
(???) Open Location better recognizes URLs (and rejects non-URLs)
(???) Fixed situation where shrinking the VR window would fail to update it
(???) Changed truncate in libtracker to lt_truncate to avoid name collisions
(???) Some defunct or crashing options have now been hidden for 'safety'
(???) Mac OS X launcher changes:
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(???) - Cmd-Tab switching is now fully intercepted
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(???) eato. Worked just fine on my MacBook running 10.5.8. Nice work. I'm glad
(SND) omebody picked up this project. Is there any non-programming (my C
(???) nowledge is limited at best) help that you need?
(IMG) t would be nice if GopherVR someday (supposing there's a way to do this
(???) ell) could display descriptive text in the GopherVR, so it wouldn't require
(???) lipping back and fourth between two different windows to view one menu.
(???) ut, again, awesome work getting it up and running again.
(???) Wesley
(???) n Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>wrote:
(???) GopherVR 0.4 is out. This should really shore up the groundwork. Go get it.
(???)
(???) gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/gophervr
(???)
(???) Binaries available for Mac OS X 10.4-10.6, and this includes Jeroen's
(???) patches for Debian. Here is the complete changelog:
(???)
(???) (Jeroen Schot)
(???) - Patches for compilation on Debian lenny
(???)
(???) (Cameron Kaiser)
(???) - Menu reorganization, including stub menus for future features (bookmarks
(???) etc)
(???) - More accelerator and shortcut keys
(???) - Save to disk for unrecognized item types now enabled (to be expanded
(???) later)
(???) - Rotational and translational speeds are now relative to CPU speed
(???) - FPS counter in status bar
(???) - Mousemoves are now normalized to the size of the VR window
(???) - Double left click equivalent with middle button for selection and jumping
(???) - Application remembers window positions in ~/.gophervrwindows. This needs
(???) a
(???) kludge for X11.app DAMN YOU APPLE
(???) - Menu window now opens clear of the VR window status bar
(???) - Menu window can be closed and the VR window used by itself without
(???) crashing
(???) the application (and reopened from File > Show Gopher Menu -- although
(???) it does not properly update when reopened yet)
(???) - Menu window resizes menu list to same relative size when resized
(???) - Text window now snaps back to top after loading
(???) - Text window properly gives confirmation when files are saved
(???) - hURLs are now green
(???) - Folder icons have a slant "tab" for better visual distinction. I might do
(???) a properly modeled object later.
(???) - Open Location better recognizes URLs (and rejects non-URLs)
(???) - Fixed situation where shrinking the VR window would fail to update it
(???) - Changed truncate in libtracker to lt_truncate to avoid name collisions
(???) - Some defunct or crashing options have now been hidden for 'safety'
(???) - Mac OS X launcher changes:
(???) - Application can now be launched from folders with spaces in their names
(???) - Prerequisites split out to allow interactive error handling
(???) - Cmd-Tab switching is now fully intercepted
(???)
(???)
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(???) eato.=C2=A0 Worked just fine on my MacBook running 10.5.8.=C2=A0 Nice work=
(???) =C2=A0 I'm glad somebody picked up this project.=C2=A0 Is there any no=
(???) -programming (my C knowledge is limited at best) help that you need?<br><b=
(???) >It would be nice if GopherVR someday (supposing there's a way to do t=
(HTM) is well) could display descriptive text in the GopherVR, so it wouldn'=
(???) require flipping back and fourth between two different windows to view on=
(???) menu.=C2=A0 But, again, awesome work getting it up and running again.<br>
(???) br>-Wesley<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:06 =
(???) M, Cameron Kaiser <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spectre@floodgap=
(???) com">spectre@floodgap.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
(???) il_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt =
(TXT) pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
(???) opherVR 0.4 is out. This should really shore up the groundwork. Go get it.=
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gopher://<a href=3D"http://gopher.floodgap.com/=
(DIR) /gophervr" target=3D"_blank">gopher.floodgap.com/1/gophervr</a><br>
(???) br>
(???) inaries available for Mac OS X 10.4-10.6, and this includes Jeroen's<b=
(???) >
(PNG) atches for Debian. Here is the complete changelog:<br>
(???) br>
(???) Jeroen Schot)<br>
(???) Patches for compilation on Debian lenny<br>
(???) br>
(???) Cameron Kaiser)<br>
(???) Menu reorganization, including stub menus for future features (bookmarks =
(???) tc)<br>
(???) More accelerator and shortcut keys<br>
(???) Save to disk for unrecognized item types now enabled (to be expanded late=
(???) )<br>
(???) Rotational and translational speeds are now relative to CPU speed<br>
(???) FPS counter in status bar<br>
(???) Mousemoves are now normalized to the size of the VR window<br>
(???) Double left click equivalent with middle button for selection and jumping=
(???) br>
(???) Application remembers window positions in ~/.gophervrwindows. This needs =
(???) <br>
(???) =C2=A0kludge for X11.app DAMN YOU APPLE<br>
(???) Menu window now opens clear of the VR window status bar<br>
(???) Menu window can be closed and the VR window used by itself without crashi=
(???) g<br>
(???) =C2=A0the application (and reopened from File > Show Gopher Menu -- alt=
(HTM) ough<br>
(???) =C2=A0it does not properly update when reopened yet)<br>
(???) Menu window resizes menu list to same relative size when resized<br>
(???) Text window now snaps back to top after loading<br>
(???) Text window properly gives confirmation when files are saved<br>
(???) hURLs are now green<br>
(???) Folder icons have a slant "tab" for better visual distinction. =
(IMG) might do<br>
(???) =C2=A0a properly modeled object later.<br>
(???) Open Location better recognizes URLs (and rejects non-URLs)<br>
(???) Fixed situation where shrinking the VR window would fail to update it<br>
(???) Changed truncate in libtracker to lt_truncate to avoid name collisions<br=
(???)
(???) Some defunct or crashing options have now been hidden for 'safety'=
(???) <br>
(???) Mac OS X launcher changes:<br>
(???) =C2=A0- Application can now be launched from folders with spaces in their =
(???) ames<br>
(???) =C2=A0- Prerequisites split out to allow interactive error handling<br>
(???) =C2=A0- Cmd-Tab switching is now fully intercepted<br>
(???) br>
(???) br>
(???) -<br>
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: <a href=3D"http://www.camero=
(???) kaiser.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cameronkaiser.com/</a> --<br>
(???) =C2=A0Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * <a href=3D"http://www.floodgap.c=
(???) m" target=3D"_blank">www.floodgap.com</a> * <a href=3D"mailto:ckaiser@floo=
(DOC) gap.com">ckaiser@floodgap.com</a><br>
(???) - Death to spammers! <a href=3D"http://spam.abuse.net/spam/" target=3D"_bl=
(???) nk">http://spam.abuse.net/spam/</a> -----------------------------<br>
(???) br>
(???) ______________________________________________<br>
(???) opher-Project mailing list<br>
(???) a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org">Gopher-Project@li=
(SND) ts.alioth.debian.org</a><br>
(???) a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project" =
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(???) > GopherVR 0.4 is out. This should really shore up the groundwork. Go get it.
(???) >
(???) > gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/gophervr
(???)
(???) Neato. Worked just fine on my MacBook running 10.5.8. Nice work. I'm glad
(???) somebody picked up this project. Is there any non-programming (my C
(???) knowledge is limited at best) help that you need?
(???) las, at this point in time, the app is pretty much going to remain straight
(???) . I have a feeling porting it to a higher-level language would not only be
(???) nsatisfactory operationally, but also from a performance perspective unless
(???) he software renderer were replaced with, say, OpenGL bindings. This is of
(???) ourse non-trivial and not really something I want to embark on right now.
(???) It would be nice if GopherVR someday (supposing there's a way to do this
(???) well) could display descriptive text in the GopherVR, so it wouldn't require
(???) flipping back and fourth between two different windows to view one menu.
(???) But, again, awesome work getting it up and running again.
(IMG) f you mean i itemtype, that would just be a big mess with modern menus.
(???) owever, I am planning a sort of HUD or at least tooltip display to get
(???) ore information on objects in the scene. If you have any ideas about that,
(???) ay them on me.
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(???) n 2010-01-12 01:20, Wesley Teal wrote:
(???) I'd really appreciate it if anybody using an executable enabled server
(???) other than Bucktooth could let me know how it works with their server
(???) and any bugs it has. It works fine with SDF's bucktooth server.
(???) lmost worked with kgopherd.... I wasn't giving the arguments in argv[]
(???) ut in $QUERY_STRING like in CGI's. And I'm not sure if I'm comfortable
(???) ith calling binaries using arguments gotten from the internets...
(???) eed to think about it before I implement argv[] support.
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(???) n Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Kim Holviala wrote:
(???) Almost worked with kgopherd.... I wasn't giving the arguments in argv[]
(???) ut
(???) in $QUERY_STRING like in CGI's. And I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with
(???) calling binaries using arguments gotten from the internets...
(???)
(???) Need to think about it before I implement argv[] support.
(???) im,
(TN3) hanks for giving it a try. I understand the security concerns which is
(???) hy germ voids it's $ENV{PATH} variable and doesn't allow user or group id
(???) o be changed, and doesn't call any external programs, etc. But of
(???) ourse, not every script will take the proper precautions (and I may not
(HTM) ave even taken _all_ the precautions I should have, just the ones I knew
(???) o take.)
(???) ucktooth allows arguments to be passed straight to the script, so I
(???) sed that because it was simple. However, it also passes executables an
(???) nvironmental variable "SELECTOR" which, with a little more parsing,
(???) ould be used the same as argv[]. If you pass me along some references
(???) or how kgopherd handles CGI, I can try to make germ more friendly to your
(SND) erver. If kgopherd is roughly CGI compliant, I could just refer to that
(SND) tandard, I suppose.
(???) y goal is to make germ as server independent as possible.
(TN3) hanks,
(???) esley
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(???) n Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Kim Holviala wrote:<br><br>> Almost worked with kgo=
(PNG) herd.... I wasn't giving the arguments in argv[] but<br>> in $QUERY=
(???) STRING like in CGI's. And I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with=
(???) C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
(???) gt; calling binaries using arguments gotten from the internets...<br>> =
(???) br>> Need to think about it before I implement argv[] support.<br>=C2=
(???) A0 <br>Kim,<br>Thanks for giving it a try.=C2=A0 I understand the security=
(???) concerns which is=C2=A0 <br>
(???) hy germ voids it's $ENV{PATH} variable and doesn't allow user or g=
(???) oup id<br>to be changed, and doesn't call any external programs, etc.=
(???) C2=A0 But of <br>course, not every script will take the proper precautions=
(???) (and I may not=C2=A0 <br>
(HTM) ave even taken _all_ the precautions I should have, just the ones I knew<b=
(???) >to take.)<br><br>Bucktooth allows arguments to be passed straight to the =
(SND) cript, so I<br>used that because it was simple.=C2=A0 However, it also pas=
(SND) es executables an<br>
(???) nvironmental variable "SELECTOR" which, with a little more parsi=
(???) g,<br>could be used the same as argv[].=C2=A0 If you pass me along some re=
(???) erences=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>for how kgopherd handles CGI, I can try to make ge=
(???) m more friendly to your<br>
(SND) erver.=C2=A0 If kgopherd is roughly CGI compliant, I could just refer to t=
(HTM) at<br>standard, I suppose.<br><br>My goal is to make germ as server indepe=
(???) dent as possible.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Wesley<br><br>
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(???) n Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) If you mean i itemtype, that would just be a big mess with modern menus.
(???) However, I am planning a sort of HUD or at least tooltip display to get
(???) more information on objects in the scene. If you have any ideas about that,
(???) lay them on me.
(???) es, the i item type would be messy at best. It's just too bad that all
(???) hat information gets lost. Beyond figuring out a way to link specific
(???) ext to a selector, I don't have any particular ideas.
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(???) > If you mean i itemtype, that would just be a big mess with modern menus.
(???) > However, I am planning a sort of HUD or at least tooltip display to get
(???) > more information on objects in the scene. If you have any ideas about that,
(???) > lay them on me.
(???)
(???) Yes, the i item type would be messy at best. It's just too bad that all
(???) that information gets lost. Beyond figuring out a way to link specific
(???) text to a selector, I don't have any particular ideas.
(TN3) hat I actually discourage for two reasons:
(???) There are tons of clients that ignore i itemtype. Less than there were,
(???) but a lot are still out there.
(???) i itemtype was intended as augmented information, not as a primary
(???) source.
(IMG) OW, IMHO, AFAIC, a menu should be totally intelligible by its non-i items.
(???) ven if the i entries were gone, the individual display strings of the
(???) ther items should still tell you what they are. For that reason, I don't
(SND) upport linking such text to such items, and Gopher+ would cover that under
(???) bstracts anyway (which GopherVR does in fact support, being based on the
(???) MN gopher library). I do support displaying it, which is why I added it to
(???) he menu window, but I don't think it serves a purpose in the scene.
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(???) n Tuesday 12 January 2010 23:49, Wesley Teal wrote:
(???) Bucktooth allows arguments to be passed straight to the script, so I
(???) used that because it was simple. However, it also passes executables an
(???) environmental variable "SELECTOR" which, with a little more parsing,
(???) could be used the same as argv[].
(???) i,
(???) SELECTOR" is not really a CGI-aware environnement variable...
(???) If you pass me along some references
(???) for how kgopherd handles CGI, I can try to make germ more friendly to
(???) your
(???) server.
(???) ou might want to look at my manual:
(HTM) ttp://www.grumpy-server.net/manual.pdf
(TN3) here, at the chapter "Gopher CGI-style scripts", I described how all the
(???) GI thing is handled by my server - Grumpy. When implementing CGI in
(???) rumpy, I tried to stay as close as possible to the original CGI
(SND) tandard.
(???) or security reasons, Grumpy do not pass *any* data as parameters to CGI
(SND) cripts. The only way to provide external data to scripts is using
(DOC) efinied environnement variables.
(IMG) 've put some cool Gopher CGI applications as examples of "what can be
(DOC) one" at the following address (no sources provided, but I can provide
(???) hem on demand - all is written in FreeBASIC):
(GIF) opher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/OnlineTools
(???) est regards,
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(???) n 2010-01-13 00:49, Wesley Teal wrote:
(???) Bucktooth allows arguments to be passed straight to the script, so I
(???) used that because it was simple. However, it also passes executables an
(???) environmental variable "SELECTOR" which, with a little more parsing,
(???) could be used the same as argv[].
(???) gopherd passes $SELECTOR too, but you might want to use $SEARCHREQUEST
nstead which is identical to $QUERY_STRING (bucktooth also does
(???) SEARCHREQUEST). I tried to make kgopherd fully compatible to both
(???) GI/1.1 spec and bucktooth, but I missed the argv[] thing...
(???) > If you pass me along some references
(???) for how kgopherd handles CGI, I can try to make germ more friendly to your
(???) server.
(GIF) opher://gopher.holviala.com/7/~kimmy/code/kgopherd/Docs/testsuite/cgi-bin/
(TN3) ry dump.sh and dump.q (which is a type 7 query). They both print all of
(???) ENV.
(???) If kgopherd is roughly CGI compliant, I could just refer to that
(???) standard, I suppose.
(???) hould be pretty compatible.
(???) Kim
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(???) ateusz and Kim,
(TN3) hanks for the info. I'm learning as I go and didn't realize I
(???) as using a feature (by using argv) not commonly supported. I'll see if I
(???) an't get it working in a way more acceptable to most server software.
(TN3) his probably explains the problem I had when I tried testing it with
(???) eomyidae.
(TN3) hanks,
(???) esley
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(???) ateusz and Kim,<br><br>Thanks for the info.=C2=A0 I'm learning as I go=
(???) and didn't realize I<br>was using a feature (by using argv) not common=
(???) y supported.=C2=A0 I'll see if I<br>can't get it working in a way =
(???) ore acceptable to most server software.<br>
(TN3) his probably explains the problem I had when I tried testing it with<br>Ge=
(???) myidae.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Wesley<br><br>
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(IMG) 've managed to change the colour of gophervr by adding
(GIF) ophervr*background:
(GIF) ophervr*foreground: black
(???) o my .Xdefaults.
(IMG) was wondering if there is a full list of Xdefaults resources for
(GIF) ophervr anywhere?
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(???) I've managed to change the colour of gophervr by adding
(???)
(???) gophervr*background:
(???) gophervr*foreground: black
(???)
(???) to my .Xdefaults.
(???) I was wondering if there is a full list of Xdefaults resources for
(???) gophervr anywhere?
(IMG) haven't itemized a list, no, but specifying most of the standard
(???) otif resources will probably work in .Xdefaults.
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(???) n Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:37:29 -0800 (PST)
(???) From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) > I've managed to change the colour of gophervr by adding
(???) >
(???) > gophervr*background:
(???) > gophervr*foreground: black
(???) >
(???) > to my .Xdefaults.
(???) > I was wondering if there is a full list of Xdefaults resources for
(???) > gophervr anywhere?
(???)
(???) I haven't itemized a list, no, but specifying most of the standard
(???) Motif resources will probably work in .Xdefaults.
(???)
(???) K, next question... At the moment the helper applications are defined in
(???) he code now as I'm using Linux I need to change these so where in the
(SND) ource code should I be looking? (I have had a browse but nothing jumped
(???) ut at me).
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(???) > > I've managed to change the colour of gophervr by adding
(???) > >
(???) > > gophervr*background:
(???) > > gophervr*foreground: black
(???) > >
(???) > > to my .Xdefaults.
(???) > > I was wondering if there is a full list of Xdefaults resources for
(???) > > gophervr anywhere?
(???) >
(???) > I haven't itemized a list, no, but specifying most of the standard
(???) > Motif resources will probably work in .Xdefaults.
(???)
(???) OK, next question... At the moment the helper applications are defined in
(???) the code now as I'm using Linux I need to change these so where in the
(???) source code should I be looking? (I have had a browse but nothing jumped
(???) out at me).
(???) electGopherDir() in gophervr/gopherto3d.c contains the "actions" when
(???) particular object is selected, organized by itemtype. For example, if
(???) ou look for "Applications" you'll find the strings for the Mac OS X version;
(???) ou should be able to hack in your own.
(TN3) hat code does need to be rewritten; it isn't the cleanest or safest way
(???) o handle what it's doing, and it should be getting those commands from
(PNG) refs or at least the environment. That'll be a job for the near future.
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(???) n Monday 11 January 2010 11:03:14 Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) About the "Accept-Charset" header: It seems useless to me... The server
(???) won't be able to transcode a given 8bit charset into another one, as
(???) that's simply impossible. Why not simply stating, that any Gopher++
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(???) =20
(???) omething along those lines, even though not necessarily gopher++: on=20
(GIF) opher://gopher.teply.info/1/test=20
've put up a very simple UTF-8 test menu. Mainly it was out of curiosity=20
(???) hether or not it'll work in any way. It's a simple test of UTF-8 encoded=20
(DOC) isplay strings, selector strings and text files (including UTF-8 in=20
(???) ilenames) served. It's running on pygopherd if that matters in any way.
(???) o far, i've tested on both Firefox with Overbite and lynx.
(???) asically, FF with Overbite and lynx both work, with display options set ri=
(GIF) ht=20
(???) UTF-8 locale in lynx, character encoding set properly in FF). The only=20
(PNG) roblem i've found is with UTF-8 in a selector string / filename, which i=20
(HTM) aven't got to work in lynx yet with configuration only. FF does display th=
(???) =20
(???) ile properly, but the selector string displayed in the adress bar does rat=
(HTM) er=20
(???) ook like interpreted as ISO-8859-1. If i type the proper string (test2=C5=
(???) 82=C5=81=C3=B0=20
(???) hat is as filename) into the Adress bar, FF queries for a different=20
(???) onexisting file according to my gopher.log. Interestingly, the string=20
(DOC) isplayed as ISO-8859-1 results in the correct UTF-8 selector string and ge=
(???) s=20
(SND) erved properly. For proper display of UTF-8 inside files, lynx has to be=20
(???) onfigured to assume UTF-8 encoding.
(???) aybe you guys want to test out other clients. Feel free to surf that gophe=
(???) =20
(DOC) irectory. In case someone would like to see some more tests there, just dr=
(???) p=20
(???) e a line. Would be good to know how other servers handle that as well.
(???) reetings,
(???) 46lorian
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(IMG) tested your server and here are the results:
(???) UMN Gopher client (OpenSolaris, client compiled from sources) works
(???) ithout any problems
(???) Firefox 3.1 (without Overbite) works, I had to manualy set the
(???) haracter encoding to Unicode
(???) my client (http://sites.google.com/site/matjaz85/gopherclient) works
(???) ithout any problems.
(???) atjaz
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(???) n 2010-01-24 12:42, Florian Teply wrote:
(???) Something along those lines, even though not necessarily gopher++: on
(???) gopher://gopher.teply.info/1/test
(???) i've put up a very simple UTF-8 test menu. Mainly it was out of curiosity
(???) whether or not it'll work in any way.
(IMG) tested that before with my own test files, but since you published a
(???) ice full set here are my results with the above URL:
(???) =============================================================
(???) .. and the above results are exactly why I suggested server charset
(???) ranscoding... I actually expected Overbite to Just Work(tm), but it
(SND) eems that it only works when the local charset is UTF-8. Also, it's
(PNG) ossible to make Lynx almost work by changing some charset options - the
(???) bove stuff is run with pretty much default settings.
(IMG) finally got kgopherd to compile again after rwriting half of the
(???) ode... but real life got in the way and progress has been slow. I
(SND) hould be able to get stuff up and running next week.
(???) lso, that gopher++ "spec" was just a suggestion, not necessarily
(SND) omething I end up implementing. In fact, right now it seems that I'll
(DOC) o the protocol extension is a completely different (but still
(???) ompatible) way...
(???) Kim
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(???) > Something along those lines, even though not necessarily gopher++: on
(???) > gopher://gopher.teply.info/1/test
(???) > i've put up a very simple UTF-8 test menu. Mainly it was out of curiosity
(???) > whether or not it'll work in any way.
(???)
(???) I tested that before with my own test files, but since you published a
(???) nice full set here are my results with the above URL:
(???)
(???) ==============================================================
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) ... and the above results are exactly why I suggested server charset
(???) transcoding... I actually expected Overbite to Just Work(tm), but it
(???) seems that it only works when the local charset is UTF-8. Also, it's
(???) possible to make Lynx almost work by changing some charset options - the
(???) above stuff is run with pretty much default settings.
(TN3) hat doesn't make sense. Isn't UTF-8 a superset of ISO-8859-1? I'm happy
(???) hat Overbite did the best, but I'm distressed it failed two of the
(IMG) SO-8859-1 tests.
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(???) n Sunday 24 January 2010 18:10 (CET), Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) That doesn't make sense. Isn't UTF-8 a superset of ISO-8859-1?
(???) bsolutely not! :-)
(???) Unicode* is a superset of ISO-8859-1, but it has no importance anyway,
(???) s "Unicode" doesn't tell us how data is encoded on-disk.
(TN3) he only thing which can be safely said, is that UTF-8 is a superset of
(???) he 7-bit ASCII table (which is not true for UTF-16 and UTF-32).
(TN3) o encode values between 128 and 255, UTF-8 uses sequences of 2 bytes,
(???) hile ISO-8859-1 uses one byte (which is rather obvious, as ISO-8859-1 is
(???) ust a dumb 8 bit codepage).
(IMG) hope it makes things clear, now ;-)
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n 2010-01-24 19:10, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
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(???) That doesn't make sense. Isn't UTF-8 a superset of ISO-8859-1? I'm happ=
(???)
(???) that Overbite did the best, but I'm distressed it failed two of the
(???) ISO-8859-1 tests.
(TN3) he way I see it (as a coder who hasn't taken a look at either FF or=20
(???) verbite's sources) is that you're dumping UTF-8 to the screen as is. If=20
(???) he local charset (and font) supports it then it works fine, but if the=20
(???) ocal charset is ISO-8859-1 then I get the familiar mess that is wide=20
(???) hars on Latin-1.
(TN3) his is what I get with LC_CTYPE=3DISO-8859-1 & the latest Overbite=20
(???) hopefully this gets through properly):
(???) Test with some weird characters like =C5=82=C5=81=E2=82=AC=C3=B6=C3=A4=C3=
(???) BC=C3=B0 in the display string"
(IMG) nteresting - now that I tested it again test #2 does work with=20
(???) verbite... So it's "Fail - OK - OK - OK" with ISO-8859-1 as the local=20
(???) harset.
(IMG) f I manually change the charset to UTF-8 (View / Character Encoding /=20
(???) nicode) then Overbite works beautifully even when the local charset is=20
(IMG) SO-8859-1.
(???) Kim
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(???) ne 24.01.2010 (ned) ob 17:08 +0200 je Kim Holviala zapisal(a):
(???) FF 3.5 UTF-8 OK Fail OK OK
(TN3) est 2 actually does work, you just need to set the character encoding
(???) o Unicode (UTF-8) while in menu.
(???) gopher 3.0.13 UTF-8 Fail OK OK Fail
(IMG) used gopher from here:
(GIF) opher://gopher.floodgap.com/9/gopher/clients/src/gopher2_3.tar.gz
(???) nd it works on tests 1-4. But I guess that depends on system libraries
(???) nd not on the gopher itself.
(???) atjaz
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(???) n 2010-01-24 21:13, Matja=9E Me=9Anjak wrote:
(???) > FF 3.5 UTF-8 OK Fail OK OK
(???)
(???) Test 2 actually does work, you just need to set the character encoding
(???) to Unicode (UTF-8) while in menu.
(IMG) believe that, I just did quick "out of the box" tests. Besides =
(SND) witching between ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8 gets old pretty quick (like it =
(DOC) id with HTTP a few years ago).
(???) > gopher 3.0.13 UTF-8 Fail OK OK Fail
(???)
(???) I used gopher from here:
(???) gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/9/gopher/clients/src/gopher2_3.tar.gz
(???) and it works on tests 1-4. But I guess that depends on system libraries
(???) and not on the gopher itself.
(IMG) have a Debian Frankenstein system with mixed packages between Testing =
(???) nd Experimental. The UMN gopher client came from Testing it seems.
(???) Kim
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(???) n Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:00:38 -0800 (PST)
(???) From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???)
(???) >>> I've managed to change the colour of gophervr by adding
(???) >>>
(???) >>> gophervr*background:
(???) >>> gophervr*foreground: black
(???) >>>
(???) >>> to my .Xdefaults.
(???) >>> I was wondering if there is a full list of Xdefaults resources for
(???) >>> gophervr anywhere?
(???) >>
(???) >> I haven't itemized a list, no, but specifying most of the standard
(???) >> Motif resources will probably work in .Xdefaults.
(???) >
(???) > OK, next question... At the moment the helper applications are defined in
(???) > the code now as I'm using Linux I need to change these so where in the
(???) > source code should I be looking? (I have had a browse but nothing jumped
(???) > out at me).
(???)
(???) SelectGopherDir() in gophervr/gopherto3d.c contains the "actions" when
(???) a particular object is selected, organized by itemtype. For example, if
(???) you look for "Applications" you'll find the strings for the Mac OS X version;
(???) you should be able to hack in your own.
(???)
(???) That code does need to be rewritten; it isn't the cleanest or safest way
(???) to handle what it's doing, and it should be getting those commands from
(???) prefs or at least the environment. That'll be a job for the near future.
(???)
(???)
(TN3) hank's, that did the trick, I can now view images and html stuff.
(???) eter
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(???) > That doesn't make sense. Isn't UTF-8 a superset of ISO-8859-1?
(???)
(???) Absolutely not! :-)
(???) *Unicode* is a superset of ISO-8859-1
(???) h, okay. I knew I had my signals crossed in there.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Hunt the Wumpus via Gopher
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(IMG) have a very simple multiplayer hunt the wumpus game running over
(GIF) opher. You can check it out at gopher://home.robsayers.com
(IMG) t is a tad slow as it is being served from my dsl at home, but right
(???) ow It's more or less in testing.
(TN3) he game uses basic sessions to keep up with player data, writing
(SND) ession support from scratch is an experience when you're used it that
(???) eature always being there in web development.
(IMG) 'll have the code for everything up soon once I clean it up a bit more.
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(???) ool, I'd been considering the possibility of text based games via gopher.
(IMG) t seems well suited for it. Unfortunately, the wumpus totally got me.
(TN3) he link your site gave for getting to the game <gopher://
(GIF) opher.robsayers.com/1/start> didn't work for me, but <gopher://
(HTM) ome.robsayers.com/1/start> got me there.
(???) ice work.
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(???) ool, I'd been considering the possibility of text based games via goph=
(???) r.=C2=A0 It seems well suited for it.=C2=A0 Unfortunately, the wumpus tota=
(???) ly got me.<br><br>The link your site gave for getting to the game <goph=
(???) r://<a href=3D"http://gopher.robsayers.com/1/start">gopher.robsayers.com/1=
(???) start</a>> didn't work for me, but <gopher://<a href=3D"http://h=
(???) me.robsayers.com/1/start">home.robsayers.com/1/start</a>> got me there.=
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(???) br>Nice work.<br><br>
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