(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:12:24 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:12:24 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:04:39 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-086-082.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:06:57 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1249567617.24567.2.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:04:39 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2666
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:04:46 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Hello there!
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) -IMAPbase: 1249925791 154
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 1
(???) ello all, gopher is cool, I have own gopher server and hope I can learn
(???) lot about gopher here.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:13:16 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:13:16 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:08:12 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-086-082.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:10:24 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1249567824.24567.4.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:08:12 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2667
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:08:18 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Read list
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 2
(???) o where is email I sent?
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:13:33 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:13:33 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:04:39 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-086-082.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:06:57 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1249567617.24567.2.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:04:39 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2666
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:04:46 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Hello there!
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 3
(???) ello all, gopher is cool, I have own gopher server and hope I can learn
(???) lot about gopher here.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:13:50 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:13:50 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:08:12 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-086-082.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:10:24 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1249567824.24567.4.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:08:12 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2667
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:08:18 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Read list
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 4
(???) o where is email I sent?
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:20:11 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:20:11 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:18:45 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-086-082.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:21:02 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1249568462.24567.7.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:18:45 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2668
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:18:51 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Not spamming
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 5
(???) very M.,
(SND) orry if I did it the wrong way - I'm not going to spam. The mail was
(PNG) robably a little bit slow, now I know it better. Gopher ois cool.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:20:35 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:20:35 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:18:45 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-086-082.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:21:02 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1249568462.24567.7.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:18:45 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2668
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:18:51 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Not spamming
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 6
(???) very M.,
(SND) orry if I did it the wrong way - I'm not going to spam. The mail was
(PNG) robably a little bit slow, now I know it better. Gopher ois cool.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:57:02 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:57:02 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:47:20 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org)
(???) eceived: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:newmanbe@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5])
(???) eceived: (from newmanbe@localhost)
(???) ate: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:47:06 -0500
(???) rom: Benn Newman <benn.newman@snc.edu>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <20090806144706.GA29563@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
(???) eferences: <1249567617.24567.2.camel@port>
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
(???) ontent-Disposition: inline
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <1249567617.24567.2.camel@port>
(???) ser-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05)
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:47:19 -0500
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -archive-position: 2669
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: benn.newman@snc.edu
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:47:26 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Hello there!
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 7
(???) ello
(???) n Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 04:06:57PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) Hello all, gopher is cool, I have own gopher server and hope I can learn
(???) a lot about gopher here.
(???)
(???)
(???) elcome. Is your server on the Internet? What is its hostname?
(???) nd yes, Gopher is cool!
(???) -
(???) enn Newman
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 16:57:57 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
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(???) rom: Benn Newman <benn.newman@snc.edu>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Hello there!
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(???) ello
(???) n Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 04:06:57PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) Hello all, gopher is cool, I have own gopher server and hope I can learn
(???) a lot about gopher here.
(???)
(???)
(???) elcome. Is your server on the Internet? What is its hostname?
(???) nd yes, Gopher is cool!
(???) -
(???) enn Newman
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 18:16:01 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:16:01 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:07:16 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-089-182.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:09:33 +0200
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Hello there!
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
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(???) -UID: 9
(???) y server is a private machine, connected to the Internet over DSL and
(???) sing DynDNS. My dream is that one days I'll be able to let my machine
(SND) tay connected to the Internet permanently, with no need to care about
(HTM) ow much the electricity will cost.
(???) hen my machine is online, you can access it under DNS name
(PNG) ort.selfip.org. I have HTTP (Apache 1.3), FTP (vsftpd), email
(???) sendmail), gopher (pygopherd), maybe something else I can't remember
(???) ow. For some time I tried to get up an own BBS - I think the best
(SND) oftware was WWIV or so. At the moment, I don't run any BBS, but later
(IMG) 'm going to get it up again, I just want to understand everything and
(???) ake it correctly, not just in the quick and dirty way - of course, it
(???) ill take its time.
(IMG) like the old things, like sendmail, gopher and so on, often the oldest
(???) hings are the best ones, like ed, for example.
(???) hat I like on this mailing list is that I got to it without any
(PNG) roblems and that there is really any life on there. On the most other
(???) ailing list there are problems because of spamhaus and missing mail
(SND) erver certificates, as far as I can undersand it, and the only one I
(SND) uccessfully got on before this here was bumplist where you all the time
(GIF) et bumped and where seems not to be any life at all.=20
(???) D0=92 =D0=A7=D1=82=D0=B2, 06/08/2009 =D0=B2 09:47 -0500, Benn Newman =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hello
(???) =20
(???) On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 04:06:57PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) > Hello all, gopher is cool, I have own gopher server and hope I can
(???) learn
(???) > a lot about gopher here.
(???) >=20
(???) >=20
(???) =20
(???) Welcome. Is your server on the Internet? What is its hostname?
(???) =20
(???) And yes, Gopher is cool!
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
(???) =20
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 18:16:40 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:16:40 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:07:16 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-089-182.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:09:33 +0200
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Hello there!
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 10
(???) y server is a private machine, connected to the Internet over DSL and
(???) sing DynDNS. My dream is that one days I'll be able to let my machine
(SND) tay connected to the Internet permanently, with no need to care about
(HTM) ow much the electricity will cost.
(???) hen my machine is online, you can access it under DNS name
(PNG) ort.selfip.org. I have HTTP (Apache 1.3), FTP (vsftpd), email
(???) sendmail), gopher (pygopherd), maybe something else I can't remember
(???) ow. For some time I tried to get up an own BBS - I think the best
(SND) oftware was WWIV or so. At the moment, I don't run any BBS, but later
(IMG) 'm going to get it up again, I just want to understand everything and
(???) ake it correctly, not just in the quick and dirty way - of course, it
(???) ill take its time.
(IMG) like the old things, like sendmail, gopher and so on, often the oldest
(???) hings are the best ones, like ed, for example.
(???) hat I like on this mailing list is that I got to it without any
(PNG) roblems and that there is really any life on there. On the most other
(???) ailing list there are problems because of spamhaus and missing mail
(SND) erver certificates, as far as I can undersand it, and the only one I
(SND) uccessfully got on before this here was bumplist where you all the time
(GIF) et bumped and where seems not to be any life at all.=20
(???) D0=92 =D0=A7=D1=82=D0=B2, 06/08/2009 =D0=B2 09:47 -0500, Benn Newman =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hello
(???) =20
(???) On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 04:06:57PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) > Hello all, gopher is cool, I have own gopher server and hope I can
(???) learn
(???) > a lot about gopher here.
(???) >=20
(???) >=20
(???) =20
(???) Welcome. Is your server on the Internet? What is its hostname?
(???) =20
(???) And yes, Gopher is cool!
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
(???) =20
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 18:21:44 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:21:44 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:19:55 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-078-207.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
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(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:22:13 +0200
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(???) ime-Version: 1.0
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:19:55 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2671
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(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:20:02 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] My gopher server
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 11
(???) ot to tell what isn't there: it's just a begining at the moment, empty
(SND) ite. I have to study, that's why my attempt to get up a full site ( a
(???) eb site at that moment ) was not successfull. Hope I'll succeed anyway,
(IMG) 'm not going to give up.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 06 18:22:28 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:22:28 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:19:55 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-078-207.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:22:13 +0200
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:20:02 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] My gopher server
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 12
(???) ot to tell what isn't there: it's just a begining at the moment, empty
(SND) ite. I have to study, that's why my attempt to get up a full site ( a
(???) eb site at that moment ) was not successfull. Hope I'll succeed anyway,
(IMG) 'm not going to give up.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 07 21:19:42 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:19:42 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:10:04 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-126-214.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:03:53 +0200
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(???) -archive-position: 2672
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:10:10 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopher Markup
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 13
(???) hat I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(SND) omething about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 07 21:20:44 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:20:44 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:10:04 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-126-214.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:03:53 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1249671833.6275.8.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:01:47 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2672
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:10:10 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopher Markup
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 14
(???) hat I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(SND) omething about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Aug 10 02:32:24 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DKIM_SIGNED,SPF_HELO_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:32:24 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:22:02 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from static-71-170-11-156.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.170.11.156] helo=turquoise.pongonova.net)
(???) eceived: from turquoise.pongonova.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) KIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pongonova.net; h=date:from
(???) eceived: from turquoise (localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) ate: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:23:05 -0500
(???) rom: Brian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <20090809232305.GA19462@pongonova.net>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
(???) ontent-Disposition: inline
(???) ser-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:22:02 -0500
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -archive-position: 2673
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: brian@pongonova.net
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:22:08 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Line length requirements
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 15
(???) quick check of the relevant RFCs indicates there appears to be no
(???) equirements for a minimum text line length displayed by a gopher
(???) lient (or that a given length is expected from a gopher server).
(???) o would it be appropriate to create gopher output optimized, say, for
(???) iewing on a smartphone device?
(???) --Brian
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Aug 10 02:32:30 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:32:30 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:27:21 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from ist.fellig.org ([84.200.228.103] helo=v0.fellig.org)
(???) eceived: by v0.fellig.org (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) eceived: by priderock.keep-cool.org (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) rom: Philipp Schafft <lion@lion.leolix.org>
(TN3) o: Gopher ML <gopher@complete.org>
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) rganization: PH2
(???) ate: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:27:07 +0200
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) essage-Id: <20090810002709.B7FA77B3B5@priderock.keep-cool.org>
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:27:21 -0500
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -archive-position: 2674
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: lion@lion.leolix.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:27:27 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopherspace in Onion land?
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 16
(???) lum,
(IMG) asked my self why gopher is not much more propular in Onion land? Most
(PNG) eople there use very minimalistic HTML and link images instaed of using
(???) img>. Those websites feels a lot like gopher space.
(???) o, why is gopher not that poplular there? I don't know any gopher
(SND) erver in Onion land. What can we do about that (in case we want to do
(SND) omething)? Which clients can handle proxys for simpler access? Which
(???) ot but can be patched?...
(???) hat are your opinions about this?
(???) S: for those of you not knowing what I'm talking about please take a
(???) ook at http://www.torproject.org/
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
(???) - Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis --
(???) - File: signature.asc
(???) - Desc: This is a digitally signed message part
(???) ----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
(???) omment: Because it's your freedom
QEVAwUASn9pW+uce9VmsoUgAQI9Lgf/TQmoVt/IbOnyg6P2wMZik1Yzb/kRekkJ
(???) l/6tDK+vgkcib4xwM2nCV/7CpHF8vEnkMgFj8zBM9xmTuIC6gkjO4/nbaooc82q
(???) NNqmYRL44uymxQ72r0WJJo0aplvHTAt0t8w+1oyaT4XyB73ljMMYrXFwLi7IFIe
(???) WTDafH22R5JQ8pPOTN3wn4igTCSYBTqlLawsr00pNxn71uTD0+Cexj3Qdov/2IW
(???) 6qRL/w5zf4zkwRQ8ahNrCoYHYmd204i22vvvYKqD02zOjtr3EdR529N3Plh/wKF
(???) veoaYgb6CWW/An/KriM9tmuIByr59QvYOJs+gqZEGB1EiwH0fMA5w==
(???) 6cPf
(???) ----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Aug 10 02:33:05 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DKIM_SIGNED,SPF_HELO_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:33:05 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:22:02 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from static-71-170-11-156.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.170.11.156] helo=turquoise.pongonova.net)
(???) eceived: from turquoise.pongonova.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) KIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pongonova.net; h=date:from
(???) eceived: from turquoise (localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) ate: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:23:05 -0500
(???) rom: Brian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <20090809232305.GA19462@pongonova.net>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
(???) ontent-Disposition: inline
(???) ser-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:22:02 -0500
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -archive-position: 2673
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: brian@pongonova.net
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:22:08 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Line length requirements
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 17
(???) quick check of the relevant RFCs indicates there appears to be no
(???) equirements for a minimum text line length displayed by a gopher
(???) lient (or that a given length is expected from a gopher server).
(???) o would it be appropriate to create gopher output optimized, say, for
(???) iewing on a smartphone device?
(???) --Brian
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Aug 10 02:33:08 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:33:08 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:27:21 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from ist.fellig.org ([84.200.228.103] helo=v0.fellig.org)
(???) eceived: by v0.fellig.org (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) eceived: by priderock.keep-cool.org (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) rom: Philipp Schafft <lion@lion.leolix.org>
(TN3) o: Gopher ML <gopher@complete.org>
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) rganization: PH2
(???) ate: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:27:07 +0200
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) essage-Id: <20090810002709.B7FA77B3B5@priderock.keep-cool.org>
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:27:21 -0500
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -archive-position: 2674
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: lion@lion.leolix.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:27:27 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopherspace in Onion land?
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 18
(???) lum,
(IMG) asked my self why gopher is not much more propular in Onion land? Most
(PNG) eople there use very minimalistic HTML and link images instaed of using
(???) img>. Those websites feels a lot like gopher space.
(???) o, why is gopher not that poplular there? I don't know any gopher
(SND) erver in Onion land. What can we do about that (in case we want to do
(SND) omething)? Which clients can handle proxys for simpler access? Which
(???) ot but can be patched?...
(???) hat are your opinions about this?
(???) S: for those of you not knowing what I'm talking about please take a
(???) ook at http://www.torproject.org/
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
(???) - Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis --
(???) - File: signature.asc
(???) - Desc: This is a digitally signed message part
(???) ----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
(???) omment: Because it's your freedom
QEVAwUASn9pW+uce9VmsoUgAQI9Lgf/TQmoVt/IbOnyg6P2wMZik1Yzb/kRekkJ
(???) l/6tDK+vgkcib4xwM2nCV/7CpHF8vEnkMgFj8zBM9xmTuIC6gkjO4/nbaooc82q
(???) NNqmYRL44uymxQ72r0WJJo0aplvHTAt0t8w+1oyaT4XyB73ljMMYrXFwLi7IFIe
(???) WTDafH22R5JQ8pPOTN3wn4igTCSYBTqlLawsr00pNxn71uTD0+Cexj3Qdov/2IW
(???) 6qRL/w5zf4zkwRQ8ahNrCoYHYmd204i22vvvYKqD02zOjtr3EdR529N3Plh/wKF
(???) veoaYgb6CWW/An/KriM9tmuIByr59QvYOJs+gqZEGB1EiwH0fMA5w==
(???) 6cPf
(???) ----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Aug 10 02:57:03 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:57:03 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:54:39 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from ist.fellig.org ([84.200.228.103] helo=v0.fellig.org)
(???) eceived: by v0.fellig.org (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) eceived: by priderock.keep-cool.org (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) rom: Philipp Schafft <lion@lion.leolix.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <20090809232305.GA19462@pongonova.net>
(???) eferences: <20090809232305.GA19462@pongonova.net>
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) rganization: PH2
(???) ate: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:54:22 +0200
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) essage-Id: <20090810005430.19BBE28464@priderock.keep-cool.org>
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:54:39 -0500
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -archive-position: 2675
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: lion@lion.leolix.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Line length requirements
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Sun, 2009-08-09 at 18:23 -0500, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) A quick check of the relevant RFCs indicates there appears to be no
(???) requirements for a minimum text line length displayed by a gopher
(???) client (or that a given length is expected from a gopher server).
(???)
(???) So would it be appropriate to create gopher output optimized, say, for
(???) viewing on a smartphone device?
(IMG) ntresting question, but here are two I think which may be intresting
(???) oo:
(TXT) ) is there a maximum lion length in the RFC or any related RFCs?
(DIR) ) are there any smartphones or simular devices abled to view a gopher
(SND) ite?
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Line length requirements
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Sun, 2009-08-09 at 18:23 -0500, Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) A quick check of the relevant RFCs indicates there appears to be no
(???) requirements for a minimum text line length displayed by a gopher
(???) client (or that a given length is expected from a gopher server).
(???)
(???) So would it be appropriate to create gopher output optimized, say, for
(???) viewing on a smartphone device?
(IMG) ntresting question, but here are two I think which may be intresting
(???) oo:
(TXT) ) is there a maximum lion length in the RFC or any related RFCs?
(DIR) ) are there any smartphones or simular devices abled to view a gopher
(SND) ite?
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
(???) - Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis --
(???) - File: signature.asc
(???) - Desc: This is a digitally signed message part
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(???) omment: Because it's your freedom
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:07:54 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <20090809232305.GA19462@pongonova.net> from Brian Koontz at "Aug 9, 9 06:23:05 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Line length requirements
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(???) A quick check of the relevant RFCs indicates there appears to be no
(???) requirements for a minimum text line length displayed by a gopher
(???) client (or that a given length is expected from a gopher server).
(???)
(???) So would it be appropriate to create gopher output optimized, say, for
(???) viewing on a smartphone device?
(???) inimum? No. I use 66 as a de-facto *maximum* because the UMN client
(???) runcates long lines, but I know of no minimum.
(IMG) actually toyed with an iPhone gopher client, but indeed display string
(???) ength makes it thoroughly impractical in portrait mode.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Intel outside -- 6502 inside! ----------------------------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Aug 10 03:11:34 2009
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <20090809232305.GA19462@pongonova.net> from Brian Koontz at "Aug 9, 9 06:23:05 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Line length requirements
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 22
(???) A quick check of the relevant RFCs indicates there appears to be no
(???) requirements for a minimum text line length displayed by a gopher
(???) client (or that a given length is expected from a gopher server).
(???)
(???) So would it be appropriate to create gopher output optimized, say, for
(???) viewing on a smartphone device?
(???) inimum? No. I use 66 as a de-facto *maximum* because the UMN client
(???) runcates long lines, but I know of no minimum.
(IMG) actually toyed with an iPhone gopher client, but indeed display string
(???) ength makes it thoroughly impractical in portrait mode.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Intel outside -- 6502 inside! ----------------------------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Tue Aug 11 03:44:42 2009
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(???) eceived: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org)
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(???) ate: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:29:48 -0500
(???) rom: Benn Newman <benn.newman@snc.edu>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <20090811012948.GA13251@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
(???) eferences: <1249671833.6275.8.camel@port>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Gopher Markup
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
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(???) tatus: O
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(???) ello
(???) n Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:03:53PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???)
(TN3) he pygopherd manual should be able to help you. Do you have any
(SND) pecfic problems?
(???) enn
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Tue Aug 11 03:45:36 2009
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(???) eferences: <1249671833.6275.8.camel@port>
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(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Gopher Markup
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
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(???) ello
(???) n Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:03:53PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???)
(TN3) he pygopherd manual should be able to help you. Do you have any
(SND) pecfic problems?
(???) enn
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(???) n Friday 07 August 2009 21:03 (CEST), Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) hat are you trying to achieve?
(IMG) f you are looking for any way to use scripting via gopher, then you might look at my gopher server Grumpy, which comes with support for CGI-like scripts. :)
(HTM) ttp://www.grumpy-server.net/
(TN3) ake a look on the manual for details: http://www.grumpy-server.net/manual.pdf
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n Friday 07 August 2009 21:03 (CEST), Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) hat are you trying to achieve?
(IMG) f you are looking for any way to use scripting via gopher, then you might look at my gopher server Grumpy, which comes with support for CGI-like scripts. :)
(HTM) ttp://www.grumpy-server.net/
(TN3) ake a look on the manual for details: http://www.grumpy-server.net/manual.pdf
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(IMG) think it's more correctly to tell about questions, not problems now.
(???) irst, I wanted to have users' gopher homepages stored in their home
(SND) ubdirectories - I called that in my case public_gopher, after examples
(???) f public_html and public_ftp. However, for that I had to disabled
(???) hroot in pygopherd config, which is not so good for the system
(SND) ecurity. Is it possible to have both at the same time in any way -
(???) hroot and gopher homepages stored in users home folders'
(SND) ubdirectories? And is it possible with Apache, if I may ask?
(???) econd, did I understand it correctly that links on a server always
(???) egin with the type of the target as kind of parent directory, kind of
(???) server.tld/type/paht"?
(TN3) hanks in advance.
(???) D0=92 =D0=9F=D0=BD=D0=B4, 10/08/2009 =D0=B2 20:29 -0500, Benn Newman =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hello
(???) =20
(???) On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:03:53PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) > What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) > something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) >=20
(???) =20
(???) The pygopherd manual should be able to help you. Do you have any
(???) specfic problems?
(???) =20
(???) Benn
(???) =20
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(IMG) think it's more correctly to tell about questions, not problems now.
(???) irst, I wanted to have users' gopher homepages stored in their home
(SND) ubdirectories - I called that in my case public_gopher, after examples
(???) f public_html and public_ftp. However, for that I had to disabled
(???) hroot in pygopherd config, which is not so good for the system
(SND) ecurity. Is it possible to have both at the same time in any way -
(???) hroot and gopher homepages stored in users home folders'
(SND) ubdirectories? And is it possible with Apache, if I may ask?
(???) econd, did I understand it correctly that links on a server always
(???) egin with the type of the target as kind of parent directory, kind of
(???) server.tld/type/paht"?
(TN3) hanks in advance.
(???) D0=92 =D0=9F=D0=BD=D0=B4, 10/08/2009 =D0=B2 20:29 -0500, Benn Newman =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hello
(???) =20
(???) On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:03:53PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) > What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) > something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) >=20
(???) =20
(???) The pygopherd manual should be able to help you. Do you have any
(???) specfic problems?
(???) =20
(???) Benn
(???) =20
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(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
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(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Gopher Markup
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(TN3) hank you!
(???) D0=92 =D0=92=D1=82=D1=80, 11/08/2009 =D0=B2 10:07 +0200, Mateusz Viste =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
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(???) On Friday 07 August 2009 21:03 (CEST), Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) > What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) > something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) =20
(???) What are you trying to achieve?
(???) If you are looking for any way to use scripting via gopher, then you migh=
(???) look at my gopher server Grumpy, which comes with support for CGI-like sc=
(???) ipts. :)
(???) =20
(???) http://www.grumpy-server.net/
(???) =20
(???) Take a look on the manual for details: http://www.grumpy-server.net/manua=
(???) .pdf
(???) =20
(???) Best regards,
(???) Mateusz Viste
(???) - --=20
(???) You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/=
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Tue Aug 11 23:52:43 2009
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(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:52:43 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:46:46 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-097-164.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <200908111007.50775.mateusz@viste-family.net>
(???) eferences: <1249671833.6275.8.camel@port>
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(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Gopher Markup
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
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(???) -UID: 30
(TN3) hank you!
(???) D0=92 =D0=92=D1=82=D1=80, 11/08/2009 =D0=B2 10:07 +0200, Mateusz Viste =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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(???) =20
(???) On Friday 07 August 2009 21:03 (CEST), Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) > What I will probably need is info on gopher markup language. There was
(???) > something about 'i' or so, but I didn't understand the whole yet.
(???) =20
(???) What are you trying to achieve?
(???) If you are looking for any way to use scripting via gopher, then you migh=
(???) look at my gopher server Grumpy, which comes with support for CGI-like sc=
(???) ipts. :)
(???) =20
(???) http://www.grumpy-server.net/
(???) =20
(???) Take a look on the manual for details: http://www.grumpy-server.net/manua=
(???) .pdf
(???) =20
(???) Best regards,
(???) Mateusz Viste
(???) - --=20
(???) You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/=
(PNG) ub_key
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:12:58 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:12:58 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:14 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-097-164.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:12:39 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:14 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2681
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
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(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
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(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:21 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 31
(???) y the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxes
(???) n my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(DOC) on't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(SND) pammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) e!
(TN3) hanks in advance
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:13:56 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:13:56 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:14 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-097-164.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) ate: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:12:39 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) -Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:14 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2681
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: freddy@port.selfip.org
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:21 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 32
(???) y the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxes
(???) n my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(DOC) on't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(SND) pammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) e!
(TN3) hanks in advance
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:23:38 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,SPF_HELO_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:23:38 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:08 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from mail-vw0-f174.google.com ([209.85.212.174])
(???) eceived: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so3788605vws.0
(???) for <gopher@complete.org>; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
(???) KIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
(???) d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
(???) h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references
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(???) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
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(???) IME-Version: 1.0
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
(???) eferences: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
(???) rom: "Avery M." <averym@gmail.com>
(???) ate: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:13:14 -0400
(???) essage-ID: <f7cf70a70908111513u3457f6exd041bd4c66c76855@mail.gmail.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Greylist: delayed 495 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at glockenspiel; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:08 CDT
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:08 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2682
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: averym@gmail.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:14 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 33
(???) ell, I'm going to start my fight against spam by unsubscribing from
(???) his list... there seem to be many off topic messages here recently.
(???) n Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Freddy Cruger<freddy@port.selfip.org> wrote:
(???) By the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxes
(???) on my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(???) don't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(???) spammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) me!
(???) Thanks in advance
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:24:23 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,SPF_HELO_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:24:23 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:08 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from mail-vw0-f174.google.com ([209.85.212.174])
(???) eceived: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so3788605vws.0
(???) for <gopher@complete.org>; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
(???) KIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
(???) d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
(???) h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references
(???) :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type
(???) :content-transfer-encoding;
(???) bh=BdW3n+wn4zlCkJqxQ2rMF1NqPoM7nltiusgd8m0n95w=;
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(???) eferences: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
(???) rom: "Avery M." <averym@gmail.com>
(???) ate: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:13:14 -0400
(???) essage-ID: <f7cf70a70908111513u3457f6exd041bd4c66c76855@mail.gmail.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:08 -0500
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(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:14 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
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(???) ell, I'm going to start my fight against spam by unsubscribing from
(???) his list... there seem to be many off topic messages here recently.
(???) n Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Freddy Cruger<freddy@port.selfip.org> wrote:
(???) By the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxes
(???) on my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(???) don't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(???) spammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) me!
(???) Thanks in advance
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:39:21 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:39:21 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:37:59 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-097-164.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <f7cf70a70908111513u3457f6exd041bd4c66c76855@mail.gmail.com>
(???) eferences: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
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(???) ate: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:40:21 +0200
(???) essage-Id: <1250030422.6409.21.camel@port>
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:37:59 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2683
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(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
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(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:38:05 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
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(???) orry. I thought my email you answered to was the only one.
(???) D0=92 =D0=92=D1=82=D1=80, 11/08/2009 =D0=B2 18:13 -0400, Avery M. =D0=BF=
(???) D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Well, I'm going to start my fight against spam by unsubscribing from
(???) this list... there seem to be many off topic messages here recently.
(???) =20
(???) On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Freddy Cruger<freddy@port.selfip.org> wr=
(???) te:
(???) > By the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxe=
(SND)
(???) > on my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(???) > don't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(???) > spammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) > me!
(???) > Thanks in advance
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) =20
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:40:07 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:40:07 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:37:59 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from dslb-088-065-097-164.pools.arcor-ip.net
(???) eceived: from port.lan (freddy@localhost [127.0.0.1])
(???) eceived: (from freddy@localhost)
(???) -Authentication-Warning: port.lan: freddy set sender to freddy@port.selfip.org using -f
(???) rom: Freddy Cruger <freddy@port.selfip.org>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <f7cf70a70908111513u3457f6exd041bd4c66c76855@mail.gmail.com>
(???) eferences: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
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(???) ate: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:40:21 +0200
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:37:59 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2683
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(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:38:05 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 36
(???) orry. I thought my email you answered to was the only one.
(???) D0=92 =D0=92=D1=82=D1=80, 11/08/2009 =D0=B2 18:13 -0400, Avery M. =D0=BF=
(???) D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Well, I'm going to start my fight against spam by unsubscribing from
(???) this list... there seem to be many off topic messages here recently.
(???) =20
(???) On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Freddy Cruger<freddy@port.selfip.org> wr=
(???) te:
(???) > By the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxe=
(SND)
(???) > on my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(???) > don't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(???) > spammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) > me!
(???) > Thanks in advance
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) =20
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:48:11 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:48:11 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:46:53 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from 63-245-179-205.kitusa.com ([63.245.179.205] helo=erwin.lan.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from katherina.lan.complete.org ([10.200.0.4])
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1])
(???) essage-ID: <4A81F4D8.308@complete.org>
(???) ate: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:46:48 -0500
(???) rom: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ser-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090701)
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) eferences: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port> <f7cf70a70908111513u3457f6exd041bd4c66c76855@mail.gmail.com>
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:46:59 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 37
(???) very M. wrote:
(???) Well, I'm going to start my fight against spam by unsubscribing from
(???) this list... there seem to be many off topic messages here recently.
(???) .. of which yours is one, it must be said.
(TN3) hat said, you make a good point, and this is a good reminder for
(???) veryone: people subscribe here to discuss Gopher, so let's try not to
(???) aste their time by discussing other topics.
(???) - John
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 00:48:59 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:48:59 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:46:53 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from 63-245-179-205.kitusa.com ([63.245.179.205] helo=erwin.lan.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from katherina.lan.complete.org ([10.200.0.4])
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1])
(???) essage-ID: <4A81F4D8.308@complete.org>
(???) ate: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:46:48 -0500
(???) rom: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ser-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090701)
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) eferences: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port> <f7cf70a70908111513u3457f6exd041bd4c66c76855@mail.gmail.com>
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:46:59 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 38
(???) very M. wrote:
(???) Well, I'm going to start my fight against spam by unsubscribing from
(???) this list... there seem to be many off topic messages here recently.
(???) .. of which yours is one, it must be said.
(TN3) hat said, you make a good point, and this is a good reminder for
(???) veryone: people subscribe here to discuss Gopher, so let's try not to
(???) aste their time by discussing other topics.
(???) - John
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 08:18:09 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:18:09 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:09:31 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from mail.viste-family.net ([82.225.72.113])
(???) eceived: from mateusz (jukebox.viste-family.net [192.168.190.20])
(???) rom: Mateusz Viste <mateusz@viste-family.net>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:09:14 +0200
(???) ser-Agent: KMail/1.9.10
(???) eferences: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <1250028759.6409.19.camel@port>
(???) -Face: #&25@zdT;z>Q1M(&TdK0AU%$,U'#vt.-!!80kWbOcM97an^kH5B&QxHUs:<0bWu\;_S,=?utf-8?q?=7E=60=0A=09o=24o=3BYv=27VF=5Cc*=5EPSQF=5B=3FWB43SX=7EFizX57Zk?=
(???) =?utf-8?q?xy1?=>0D%xCoBfwV^[mIHLOzkioSJ,
(???) =?utf-8?q?I3=26P=3F=23=27f=0A=09=5E=7CAY=2E2A=3F7t?=,LivR*8lWS^mTZ`2G!SR\ULWgaGyjfm9Y#g#p.lYJT5p$]0Uq?-WLAJ@)
(???) =?utf-8?q?4=3Bi=0A=09QG?=
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(???) essage-Id: <200908120809.19681.mateusz@viste-family.net>
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:09:31 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 2685
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: mateusz@viste-family.net
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
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(???) n Wednesday 12 August 2009 00:12 (CEST), Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) By the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxes
(???) on my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(???) don't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(???) spammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) me!
(IMG) guess that the newsgroup comp.mail.misc or alt.comp.mail.misc would be a much better shot for such question....
(???) lease avoid charging this mailing list with non-gopher content.
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) --
(???) ou'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Spam fight
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(???) n Wednesday 12 August 2009 00:12 (CEST), Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) By the way, today for the first time in about a year I'm using mailboxes
(???) on my own email server I got a spam mail. I don't really like it, I
(???) don't like it at all! So at the moment I'm looking how to add the
(???) spammer's email to spammers' databases. If anyone knows how, just tell
(???) me!
(IMG) guess that the newsgroup comp.mail.misc or alt.comp.mail.misc would be a much better shot for such question....
(???) lease avoid charging this mailing list with non-gopher content.
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) --
(???) ou'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 12:39:40 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Gopher Markup
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(???) n Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:42:36PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) ...
(???) Is it possible to have both at the same time in any way - chroot and gopher
(???) homepages stored in users home folders' subdirectories? And is it possible
(???) with Apache, if I may ask?
(???) o. A chrooted server can't server data from outside of the chroot. You could
(???) ork around this by:
(DIR) . Periodically copying all data from the users home directory to within the
(???) hroot. This can be confusing for users because modifications take time to
(PNG) ropagate.
(PHO) . Put the public_gopher directory inside the gopher chroot and make symbolic
(???) inks in the users home directories: $USER/public_gopher -> /var/gopher/$USER.
(???) Second, did I understand it correctly that links on a server always
(???) begin with the type of the target as kind of parent directory, kind of
(???) "server.tld/type/paht"?
(???) es{1}. Gopher URI's can be confusing. Keep in mind that the 'paht' [sic] is
(???) ot a path per se but just a selector string that identifies a resource. No
(HTM) ierarchy is implied.
(???) 1} Although you could leave it out in which case it defaults to type '1'
(???) gopher menu).
(???) or more information you I recommend RFC's 1436[1] and 4266[2].
(???) 1]: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1436
(???) 2]: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4266
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot <schot@a-eskwadraat.nl>
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 12:39:55 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
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(???) eferences: <1249671833.6275.8.camel@port> <20090811012948.GA13251@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <1250026956.6409.5.camel@port>
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Gopher Markup
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(???) n Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:42:36PM +0200, Freddy Cruger wrote:
(???) ...
(???) Is it possible to have both at the same time in any way - chroot and gopher
(???) homepages stored in users home folders' subdirectories? And is it possible
(???) with Apache, if I may ask?
(???) o. A chrooted server can't server data from outside of the chroot. You could
(???) ork around this by:
(DIR) . Periodically copying all data from the users home directory to within the
(???) hroot. This can be confusing for users because modifications take time to
(PNG) ropagate.
(PHO) . Put the public_gopher directory inside the gopher chroot and make symbolic
(???) inks in the users home directories: $USER/public_gopher -> /var/gopher/$USER.
(???) Second, did I understand it correctly that links on a server always
(???) begin with the type of the target as kind of parent directory, kind of
(???) "server.tld/type/paht"?
(???) es{1}. Gopher URI's can be confusing. Keep in mind that the 'paht' [sic] is
(???) ot a path per se but just a selector string that identifies a resource. No
(HTM) ierarchy is implied.
(???) 1} Although you could leave it out in which case it defaults to type '1'
(???) gopher menu).
(???) or more information you I recommend RFC's 1436[1] and 4266[2].
(???) 1]: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1436
(???) 2]: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4266
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot <schot@a-eskwadraat.nl>
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Gopher Markup
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:18:48PM +0200, Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) Yes{1}. Gopher URI's can be confusing. Keep in mind that the 'paht' [sic] is
(???) not a path per se but just a selector string that identifies a resource. No
(???) hierarchy is implied.
(???)
(???) {1} Although you could leave it out in which case it defaults to type '1'
(???) (gopher menu).
(???) orry, what I said is wrong. The single character 'type' is only optional when
(???) sking for the top-level selector (like gopher://gopher.floodgap.com). In all
(???) ther cases it is mandatory.
(TN3) here is one thing that still confuses me though. The gopher URI scheme says
(???) othing about a '/' between the type character and selector string. So both
(GIF) opher://gopher.quux.org/1/Archives and gopher://gopher.quux.org/1Archives are
(???) alid gopher URI's. But do these two point to the same resource? Both bucktooth
(???) nd pygopherd seem to think so, but I can't find a reference for this in the
(???) FC's.
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot <schot@a-eskwadraat.nl>
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:18:48PM +0200, Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) Yes{1}. Gopher URI's can be confusing. Keep in mind that the 'paht' [sic] is
(???) not a path per se but just a selector string that identifies a resource. No
(???) hierarchy is implied.
(???)
(???) {1} Although you could leave it out in which case it defaults to type '1'
(???) (gopher menu).
(???) orry, what I said is wrong. The single character 'type' is only optional when
(???) sking for the top-level selector (like gopher://gopher.floodgap.com). In all
(???) ther cases it is mandatory.
(TN3) here is one thing that still confuses me though. The gopher URI scheme says
(???) othing about a '/' between the type character and selector string. So both
(GIF) opher://gopher.quux.org/1/Archives and gopher://gopher.quux.org/1Archives are
(???) alid gopher URI's. But do these two point to the same resource? Both bucktooth
(???) nd pygopherd seem to think so, but I can't find a reference for this in the
(???) FC's.
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot <schot@a-eskwadraat.nl>
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(???) n Wednesday 12 August 2009 13:48 (CEST), Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) There is one thing that still confuses me though. The gopher URI scheme says
(???) nothing about a '/' between the type character and selector string. So both
(???) gopher://gopher.quux.org/1/Archives and gopher://gopher.quux.org/1Archives are
(???) valid gopher URI's.
(???) es, they are.
(???) But do these two point to the same resource?
(???) o. One selector is "/Archives", while the other is "Archives". These are NOT the same selectors, although some (most?) server's implementations will be tolerant and threat them as the same.
(???) Both bucktooth
(???) and pygopherd seem to think so, but I can't find a reference for this in the
(???) RFC's.
(???) ecause it's an implementation issue.
(???) ou don't even have to use path-like selectors, it's up to the server to decide what is his selector. A totally valid selector could also look like "blah/blah\sel*boom!.o&-:)".
(???) f course, most, if not all, servers are simply using paths as selectors, because it's the easy way to go, but it's not an obligation of any kind.
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) --
(???) ou'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key
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(???) n Wednesday 12 August 2009 13:48 (CEST), Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) There is one thing that still confuses me though. The gopher URI scheme says
(???) nothing about a '/' between the type character and selector string. So both
(???) gopher://gopher.quux.org/1/Archives and gopher://gopher.quux.org/1Archives are
(???) valid gopher URI's.
(???) es, they are.
(???) But do these two point to the same resource?
(???) o. One selector is "/Archives", while the other is "Archives". These are NOT the same selectors, although some (most?) server's implementations will be tolerant and threat them as the same.
(???) Both bucktooth
(???) and pygopherd seem to think so, but I can't find a reference for this in the
(???) RFC's.
(???) ecause it's an implementation issue.
(???) ou don't even have to use path-like selectors, it's up to the server to decide what is his selector. A totally valid selector could also look like "blah/blah\sel*boom!.o&-:)".
(???) f course, most, if not all, servers are simply using paths as selectors, because it's the easy way to go, but it's not an obligation of any kind.
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) --
(???) ou'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key
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(???) iho,
(???) There is one thing that still confuses me though. The gopher URI scheme says
(???) nothing about a '/' between the type character and selector string. So both
(???) gopher://gopher.quux.org/1/Archives and gopher://gopher.quux.org/1Archives are
(???) valid gopher URI's. But do these two point to the same resource? Both bucktooth
(???) and pygopherd seem to think so, but I can't find a reference for this in the
(???) RFC's.
(???) Both "/Archives" and "Archives" are valid selector strings.
(???) The standard doesn't/shouldn't say anything about selectors, other than
(SND) pecifying the set of valid characters in them; that a selector happens
(???) o refer to a file system is completely coincidental. You cannot rely on
(???) he structure of their contents in any way whatsoever.
(???) est regards,
(???) Mate Nagy
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(???) eferences: <1249671833.6275.8.camel@port> <20090811012948.GA13251@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <1250026956.6409.5.camel@port> <20090812101848.GA12869@A-Eskwadraat.nl> <20090812114852.GA16324@A-Eskwadraat.nl>
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(???) iho,
(???) There is one thing that still confuses me though. The gopher URI scheme says
(???) nothing about a '/' between the type character and selector string. So both
(???) gopher://gopher.quux.org/1/Archives and gopher://gopher.quux.org/1Archives are
(???) valid gopher URI's. But do these two point to the same resource? Both bucktooth
(???) and pygopherd seem to think so, but I can't find a reference for this in the
(???) RFC's.
(???) Both "/Archives" and "Archives" are valid selector strings.
(???) The standard doesn't/shouldn't say anything about selectors, other than
(SND) pecifying the set of valid characters in them; that a selector happens
(???) o refer to a file system is completely coincidental. You cannot rely on
(???) he structure of their contents in any way whatsoever.
(???) est regards,
(???) Mate Nagy
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(???) rom: Brian Koontz <brian@pongonova.net>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) K...just got a new Nokia E71x smartphone, and was curious what gopher
(???) ould look like. No native gopher clients to be found running on
(???) ymbian OS, so I visited my gopher proxy
(???) http://www.pongonova.org/gopherwiki).
(TN3) hree words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) utchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) f ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???) o a few ideas come to mind:
(DIR) . A more compact (i.e., less wide) layout would be useful.
(???) ome input from other cellphone users on the list as to what might
(???) onstitute a good compromise between ease of navigation and
(???) eadability would be useful.
(PHO) . A Symbian gopher client? If we build it, will they come? (Even
(???) avigating HTML pages on an iPhone is a horrible, twisted experience.
(TN3) he "linearity" of a gopher page [up and down navigation, rather than
(HTM) aving to scan the entire page for links] is a definite plus.)
(???) --Brian
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(???) K...just got a new Nokia E71x smartphone, and was curious what gopher
(???) ould look like. No native gopher clients to be found running on
(???) ymbian OS, so I visited my gopher proxy
(???) http://www.pongonova.org/gopherwiki).
(TN3) hree words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) utchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) f ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???) o a few ideas come to mind:
(DIR) . A more compact (i.e., less wide) layout would be useful.
(???) ome input from other cellphone users on the list as to what might
(???) onstitute a good compromise between ease of navigation and
(???) eadability would be useful.
(PHO) . A Symbian gopher client? If we build it, will they come? (Even
(???) avigating HTML pages on an iPhone is a horrible, twisted experience.
(TN3) he "linearity" of a gopher page [up and down navigation, rather than
(HTM) aving to scan the entire page for links] is a definite plus.)
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Brian Koontz<brian@pongonova.net> wrote:
(???) 2. =A0A Symbian gopher client? =A0If we build it, will they come? =A0(Eve=
(???)
(???) navigating HTML pages on an iPhone is a horrible, twisted experience.
(IMG) 'll gladly enjoy using a iPhone gopher client :D
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Brian Koontz<brian@pongonova.net> wrote:
(???) 2. =A0A Symbian gopher client? =A0If we build it, will they come? =A0(Eve=
(???)
(???) navigating HTML pages on an iPhone is a horrible, twisted experience.
(IMG) 'll gladly enjoy using a iPhone gopher client :D
(???) --
(???) /Alex
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 21:35:19 2009
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:32:15 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from gatekeeper.excelhustler.com ([69.44.136.67] helo=excelhustler.com)
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(IMG) don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) p its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) uux.org and enjoy.
(???) - John
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 21:38:16 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:38:16 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:32:15 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from gatekeeper.excelhustler.com ([69.44.136.67] helo=excelhustler.com)
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(IMG) don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) p its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) uux.org and enjoy.
(???) - John
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 22:40:22 2009
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:36:38 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from static-71-170-11-156.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.170.11.156] helo=turquoise.pongonova.net)
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:32:09PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) > Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) > (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) > butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) > of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???)
(???) I don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) up its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) quux.org and enjoy.
(TN3) hat's cool...but...
(???) The requested page cannot be displayed."
(???) ooks like a redirect to gopher.quux.org:70. Seems to come up fine in
(???) PC-based browser.
(???) --Brian
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 22:40:46 2009
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:38:06 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from gatekeeper.excelhustler.com ([69.44.136.67] helo=excelhustler.com)
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(???) eferences: <20090812165832.GA571@pongonova.net> <4A8318B9.3050109@complete.org> <20090812193710.GA1840@pongonova.net>
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:32:09PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) >> Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) >> (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) >> butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) >> of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???) > I don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) > up its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) > quux.org and enjoy.
(???)
(???) That's cool...but...
(???)
(???) "The requested page cannot be displayed."
(???)
(???) Looks like a redirect to gopher.quux.org:70. Seems to come up fine in
(???) a PC-based browser.
(???) es, that redirect is correct. I wonder if your provider is blocking
(PNG) ort 70.
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 22:40:57 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:40:57 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:38:06 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from gatekeeper.excelhustler.com ([69.44.136.67] helo=excelhustler.com)
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:32:09PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) >> Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) >> (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) >> butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) >> of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???) > I don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) > up its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) > quux.org and enjoy.
(???)
(???) That's cool...but...
(???)
(???) "The requested page cannot be displayed."
(???)
(???) Looks like a redirect to gopher.quux.org:70. Seems to come up fine in
(???) a PC-based browser.
(???) es, that redirect is correct. I wonder if your provider is blocking
(PNG) ort 70.
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 12 22:41:15 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:36:38 -0500 (CDT)
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(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:32:09PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) > Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) > (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) > butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) > of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???)
(???) I don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) up its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) quux.org and enjoy.
(TN3) hat's cool...but...
(???) The requested page cannot be displayed."
(???) ooks like a redirect to gopher.quux.org:70. Seems to come up fine in
(???) PC-based browser.
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:38:02PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:32:09PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) >> Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) >>> Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) >>> (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) >>> butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) >>> of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???) >> I don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) >> up its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) >> quux.org and enjoy.
(???) >
(???) > That's cool...but...
(???) >
(???) > "The requested page cannot be displayed."
(???) >
(???) > Looks like a redirect to gopher.quux.org:70. Seems to come up fine in
(???) > a PC-based browser.
(???)
(???) Yes, that redirect is correct. I wonder if your provider is blocking
(???) port 70.
(IMG) t turns out that the AT&T MediaNet connection *does* proxy the
(???) onnection...a simple change to the "Operator" connection results in a
(PNG) roxyless connection.
(???) ery slick presentation at quux.org on the Nokia browser! Looks like
(???) he next thing I'll do with the proxy is try to implement something
(SND) imilar.
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:38:02PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:32:09PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) >> Brian Koontz wrote:
(???) >>> Three words to sum things up: Fast, compact, and easily navigable!
(???) >>> (Four words, sorry...) Screw WAP and whatever else passes for
(???) >>> butchering HTML pages...gopher is the way to go. I'm already thinking
(???) >>> of ways to proxify existing HTML content into gopher...
(???) >> I don't know if you were aware, but PyGopherd will automatically serve
(???) >> up its gopher documents as WAP to cellphones. Point your phone at
(???) >> quux.org and enjoy.
(???) >
(???) > That's cool...but...
(???) >
(???) > "The requested page cannot be displayed."
(???) >
(???) > Looks like a redirect to gopher.quux.org:70. Seems to come up fine in
(???) > a PC-based browser.
(???)
(???) Yes, that redirect is correct. I wonder if your provider is blocking
(???) port 70.
(IMG) t turns out that the AT&T MediaNet connection *does* proxy the
(???) onnection...a simple change to the "Operator" connection results in a
(PNG) roxyless connection.
(???) ery slick presentation at quux.org on the Nokia browser! Looks like
(???) he next thing I'll do with the proxy is try to implement something
(SND) imilar.
(???) --Brian
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 02:15:26 2009
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(???) eceived: from 63-245-179-205.kitusa.com ([63.245.179.205] helo=erwin.lan.complete.org)
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(???) i,
(IMG) noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) omplete.org, was dropped
(???) rom Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 2003.
(???) fter some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) ailman or to Google Groups.
(IMG) really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break all
(???) hreads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's is no
(???) etter.
(???) oogle Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
nterface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) ike 'em.
(IMG) 'm thinking I'll do this:
(DIR) ) Make sure full archives are present at gmane.org.
(PHO) ) Migrate this list and the subscriber list to either Mailman on my
(SND) erver or Google Groups, making sure new posts there also archive on Gmane.
(ERR) ) Issue HTTP redirects to the new archives for each post.
(???) hat opinions do you all have?
(???) - John
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(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on telefisk.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 62
(???) i,
(IMG) noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) omplete.org, was dropped
(???) rom Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 2003.
(???) fter some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) ailman or to Google Groups.
(IMG) really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break all
(???) hreads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's is no
(???) etter.
(???) oogle Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
nterface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) ike 'em.
(IMG) 'm thinking I'll do this:
(DIR) ) Make sure full archives are present at gmane.org.
(PHO) ) Migrate this list and the subscriber list to either Mailman on my
(SND) erver or Google Groups, making sure new posts there also archive on Gmane.
(ERR) ) Issue HTTP redirects to the new archives for each post.
(???) hat opinions do you all have?
(???) - John
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 03:10:48 2009
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(???) n Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 07:09:10PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Google Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
(???) interface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) like 'em.
(???) o long as I continue to receive my gopher e-mails without having to
(DOC) eal with a web interface, count me happy.
(???) ut I am a bit confused, though...The Google Groups privacy notice
(SND) tates:
(???) You need a Google Account to create a group or post comments in the
(???) Google Groups service. [1]
(???) et the Google Groups FAQ seems to state the opposite:
(???) Activities that don't require a Google Account:
(???) * Reading posts in public groups
(???) * Searching for groups, posts, or authors
(???) * Posting to groups via email if they are unrestricted or you're already a member
(???) * Joining a public Google Group via email [2]
(IMG) t really doesn't matter to me, as I have a Google account...but, it
(???) ight matter otherwise to someone who might want to join the list but
(???) ould rather not be forced to create a Google account to participate.
(???) 1] http://www.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/privacy3.html
(???) 2] http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46438&cbid=41ya5vi2bqzd&src=cb&lev=answer
(???) --Brian
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(???) n Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 07:09:10PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) Google Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
(???) interface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) like 'em.
(???) o long as I continue to receive my gopher e-mails without having to
(DOC) eal with a web interface, count me happy.
(???) ut I am a bit confused, though...The Google Groups privacy notice
(SND) tates:
(???) You need a Google Account to create a group or post comments in the
(???) Google Groups service. [1]
(???) et the Google Groups FAQ seems to state the opposite:
(???) Activities that don't require a Google Account:
(???) * Reading posts in public groups
(???) * Searching for groups, posts, or authors
(???) * Posting to groups via email if they are unrestricted or you're already a member
(???) * Joining a public Google Group via email [2]
(IMG) t really doesn't matter to me, as I have a Google account...but, it
(???) ight matter otherwise to someone who might want to join the list but
(???) ould rather not be forced to create a Google account to participate.
(???) 1] http://www.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/privacy3.html
(???) 2] http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46438&cbid=41ya5vi2bqzd&src=cb&lev=answer
(???) --Brian
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) So long as I continue to receive my gopher e-mails without having to
(???) deal with a web interface, count me happy.
(???) e too :-)
(???)
(???) But I am a bit confused, though...The Google Groups privacy notice
(???) states:
(???)
(???) You need a Google Account to create a group or post comments in the
(???) Google Groups service. [1]
(TN3) here is a slightly poorly-documented interface. You can send an email
(???) o groupname+subscribe@googlegroups.com to subscribe without a Google
(???) ccount, and can post to the list without a Google Account after that.
(???) It really doesn't matter to me, as I have a Google account...but, it
(???) might matter otherwise to someone who might want to join the list but
(???) would rather not be forced to create a Google account to participate.
(IMG) will be posting instructions on the group's homepage for how to
(PNG) articipate without a Google Account, if we go that route.
(???) - John
(???)
(???) [1] http://www.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/privacy3.html
(???) [2] http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46438&cbid=41ya5vi2bqzd&src=cb&lev=answer
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) rian Koontz wrote:
(???) So long as I continue to receive my gopher e-mails without having to
(???) deal with a web interface, count me happy.
(???) e too :-)
(???)
(???) But I am a bit confused, though...The Google Groups privacy notice
(???) states:
(???)
(???) You need a Google Account to create a group or post comments in the
(???) Google Groups service. [1]
(TN3) here is a slightly poorly-documented interface. You can send an email
(???) o groupname+subscribe@googlegroups.com to subscribe without a Google
(???) ccount, and can post to the list without a Google Account after that.
(???) It really doesn't matter to me, as I have a Google account...but, it
(???) might matter otherwise to someone who might want to join the list but
(???) would rather not be forced to create a Google account to participate.
(IMG) will be posting instructions on the group's homepage for how to
(PNG) articipate without a Google Account, if we go that route.
(???) - John
(???)
(???) [1] http://www.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/privacy3.html
(???) [2] http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46438&cbid=41ya5vi2bqzd&src=cb&lev=answer
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) ersonally I'm kind of itchy about being on another Google Group, but it's
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(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - "I'd love to go out with you, but I'll be at the opening of my garage door."
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(???) ersonally I'm kind of itchy about being on another Google Group, but it's
(???) our list, of course.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - "I'd love to go out with you, but I'll be at the opening of my garage door."
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(???) ameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Personally I'm kind of itchy about being on another Google Group, but it's
(???) your list, of course.
(???)
(???) an you develop that point a bit more?
(IMG) 'm quite content to go with what the majority of people here wish.
(IMG) can also maintain a copy of the GG subscriber list, in case we ever
(???) ish to migrate off it. And I'll continue having archives stored on my
(???) ocal machine and on Gmane, both of which can be made into mbox format
(???) or easy portability elsewhere.
(???) o far, I've mentioned this on the three active lists I still host. One
(HTM) as opted for Google, and this and OfflineIMAP haven't really had time
(???) o discuss yet.
(???) - John
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 04:36:05 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:36:05 +0200
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) ameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) Personally I'm kind of itchy about being on another Google Group, but it's
(???) your list, of course.
(???)
(???) an you develop that point a bit more?
(IMG) 'm quite content to go with what the majority of people here wish.
(IMG) can also maintain a copy of the GG subscriber list, in case we ever
(???) ish to migrate off it. And I'll continue having archives stored on my
(???) ocal machine and on Gmane, both of which can be made into mbox format
(???) or easy portability elsewhere.
(???) o far, I've mentioned this on the three active lists I still host. One
(HTM) as opted for Google, and this and OfflineIMAP haven't really had time
(???) o discuss yet.
(???) - John
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 04:53:01 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:53:01 +0200
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:51:30 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org)
(???) eceived: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jgw@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4])
(???) eceived: (from jgw@localhost)
(???) ate: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:43:56 -0700
(???) rom: simple@sdf.lonestar.org
(???) rganization: PNW Cat Herders Assoc
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <4a84cf6c.ftpNOE5GyzSF24IO%simple@sdf.lonestar.org>
(???) eferences: <4A84AB26.3080005@complete.org>
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:51:36 -0500
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) ohn Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) ...
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(IMG) vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) ist afterall. :)
(???) eff
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 04:53:48 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:53:48 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:51:30 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org)
(???) eceived: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jgw@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4])
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(???) ate: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:43:56 -0700
(???) rom: simple@sdf.lonestar.org
(???) rganization: PNW Cat Herders Assoc
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <4a84cf6c.ftpNOE5GyzSF24IO%simple@sdf.lonestar.org>
(???) eferences: <4A84AB26.3080005@complete.org>
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:51:36 -0500
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) ohn Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) ...
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(IMG) vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) ist afterall. :)
(???) eff
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 05:03:46 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-ASN: AS30517 64.85.160.0/20
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:03:46 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:02:24 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200908140302.n7E32MgN015694@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <4a84cf6c.ftpNOE5GyzSF24IO%simple@sdf.lonestar.org> from "simple@sdf.lonestar.org" at "Aug 13, 9 07:43:56 pm"
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:02:30 -0500
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) > What opinions do you all have?
(???)
(???) I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) list afterall. :)
(IMG) 'd certainly like this better. My objection to Google Groups is more of a
(PNG) hilosophical one, since it seems half the mailing lists I read are there.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary, use words. -- St Francis
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 05:04:27 2009
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:04:27 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:02:24 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200908140302.n7E32MgN015694@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <4a84cf6c.ftpNOE5GyzSF24IO%simple@sdf.lonestar.org> from "simple@sdf.lonestar.org" at "Aug 13, 9 07:43:56 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:02:30 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) -UID: 74
(???) > What opinions do you all have?
(???)
(???) I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) list afterall. :)
(IMG) 'd certainly like this better. My objection to Google Groups is more of a
(PNG) hilosophical one, since it seems half the mailing lists I read are there.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary, use words. -- St Francis
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(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,SPF_HELO_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:56:29 +0200
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(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:50:36 -0500 (CDT)
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(???) ohn Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) ...
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(IMG) vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) ist afterall. :)
(???) eff
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(???) ---- Original Message -----
(???) rom: <simple@sdf.lonestar.org>
(TN3) o: <gopher@complete.org>
(???) ent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:43 AM
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
(???) ohn Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) ...
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(IMG) vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) ist afterall. :)
(???) eff
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(???) i,
(IMG) f you want to migrate to Google Groups, I think we would be better of with
(???) omp.infosystems.gopher. All the advantages of a Google Group and accessible
(???) hrough usenet. The only problem would be moving the current archives to it.
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(???) --
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(???) i,
(IMG) f you want to migrate to Google Groups, I think we would be better of with
(???) omp.infosystems.gopher. All the advantages of a Google Group and accessible
(???) hrough usenet. The only problem would be moving the current archives to it.
(???) egards,
(???) --
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 10:10 (CEST), Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) If you want to migrate to Google Groups, I think we would be better of with
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher.
(IMG) completely agree with that!
(???) NTP is much more efficient than a mailing list for such kind of usage.
(???) esides, I guess that most of us are already subscribed to comp.infosystems.gopher anyway.
(IMG) was always wondering why the gopher mailing list is more popular than the newsgroup comp.infosystems.gopher...
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 10:10 (CEST), Jeroen Schot wrote:
(???) If you want to migrate to Google Groups, I think we would be better of with
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher.
(IMG) completely agree with that!
(???) NTP is much more efficient than a mailing list for such kind of usage.
(???) esides, I guess that most of us are already subscribed to comp.infosystems.gopher anyway.
(IMG) was always wondering why the gopher mailing list is more popular than the newsgroup comp.infosystems.gopher...
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) --
(???) ou'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Mateusz Viste<mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) I was always wondering why the gopher mailing list is more popular than the newsgroup comp.infosystems.gopher...
(IMG) t's because my ISP doesn't have any NNTP servers.
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Mateusz Viste<mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) I was always wondering why the gopher mailing list is more popular than the newsgroup comp.infosystems.gopher...
(IMG) t's because my ISP doesn't have any NNTP servers.
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 12:48 (CEST), Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) It's because my ISP doesn't have any NNTP servers.
(???) ell, your ISP certainly do have a mail server, but you're using another server anyway. So why not using any other NNTP server? It doesn't have to be owned by your ISP... ;-)
(???) ust as an example, Teranews is proposing some free accounts on their NNTP server... (but I'm sure there are more free NNTP servers out there).
(HTM) ttp://www.teranews.com/
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 12:48 (CEST), Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) It's because my ISP doesn't have any NNTP servers.
(???) ell, your ISP certainly do have a mail server, but you're using another server anyway. So why not using any other NNTP server? It doesn't have to be owned by your ISP... ;-)
(???) ust as an example, Teranews is proposing some free accounts on their NNTP server... (but I'm sure there are more free NNTP servers out there).
(HTM) ttp://www.teranews.com/
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Mateusz Viste<mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) Well, your ISP certainly do have a mail server, but you're using another server anyway. So why not using any other NNTP server? It doesn't have to be owned by your ISP... ;-)
(???) ell, every server I've signed up to has shut down or lacked large parts.
(???) ormally that's no issue, but seriously. 20 servers?!?!
(???) o I'm waiting for my ISPs (I have two, yay) to get a server.
(IMG) don't want no half-assed attempt, I want it all or I'll just continue waiting.
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Mateusz Viste<mateusz@viste-family.net> wrote:
(???) Well, your ISP certainly do have a mail server, but you're using another server anyway. So why not using any other NNTP server? It doesn't have to be owned by your ISP... ;-)
(???) ell, every server I've signed up to has shut down or lacked large parts.
(???) ormally that's no issue, but seriously. 20 servers?!?!
(???) o I'm waiting for my ISPs (I have two, yay) to get a server.
(IMG) don't want no half-assed attempt, I want it all or I'll just continue waiting.
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) eroen Schot wrote:
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) If you want to migrate to Google Groups, I think we would be better of with
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher. All the advantages of a Google Group and accessible
(???) through usenet. The only problem would be moving the current archives to it.
(IMG) considered it, but there are a lot of problems with that route. It
(GIF) ives us no control whatsoever, meaning:
(???) * We have no control over who posts, subscribes, or participates
(???) * There is no way to moderate or ban troublemakers
(???) * There is no way to subscribe and get full emails of every post like
(???) here is with a regular Google Group (digest or "summaries" only)
(???) * There is no way to control what goes on the group's home page
(???) * There is no way to obtain a subsriber list if we want to migrate
(???) lsewhere
(???) * There is no way to load our existing subscriber list into the group
(???) * I am not certain whether you can post via email to a Usenet Google
(???) roup; if you can, it certainly wasn't very obvious.
(TN3) his group is actually available via a bidirectional NNTP gateway from
(???) mane; see http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general for
(DOC) etails. This arrangement has been in place for some years and I would
(???) xpect it to continue.
(IMG) 'm not sure it would buy is much anyway; Usenet is waning in popularity
(???) s a discussion forum and many ISPs don't carry it anymore anyhow.
(???) WIW, there's no way to load old archives into any Google Group, Usenet
(???) r otherwise. I expect to put a pointer to the Gmane archives on the
(???) oogle Group or Mailman page, whichever route we go.
(???) - John
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(???) eroen Schot wrote:
(???) Hi,
(???)
(???) If you want to migrate to Google Groups, I think we would be better of with
(???) comp.infosystems.gopher. All the advantages of a Google Group and accessible
(???) through usenet. The only problem would be moving the current archives to it.
(IMG) considered it, but there are a lot of problems with that route. It
(GIF) ives us no control whatsoever, meaning:
(???) * We have no control over who posts, subscribes, or participates
(???) * There is no way to moderate or ban troublemakers
(???) * There is no way to subscribe and get full emails of every post like
(???) here is with a regular Google Group (digest or "summaries" only)
(???) * There is no way to control what goes on the group's home page
(???) * There is no way to obtain a subsriber list if we want to migrate
(???) lsewhere
(???) * There is no way to load our existing subscriber list into the group
(???) * I am not certain whether you can post via email to a Usenet Google
(???) roup; if you can, it certainly wasn't very obvious.
(TN3) his group is actually available via a bidirectional NNTP gateway from
(???) mane; see http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general for
(DOC) etails. This arrangement has been in place for some years and I would
(???) xpect it to continue.
(IMG) 'm not sure it would buy is much anyway; Usenet is waning in popularity
(???) s a discussion forum and many ISPs don't carry it anymore anyhow.
(???) WIW, there's no way to load old archives into any Google Group, Usenet
(???) r otherwise. I expect to put a pointer to the Gmane archives on the
(???) oogle Group or Mailman page, whichever route we go.
(???) - John
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(SND) imple@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
(???) John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > ...
(???) > What opinions do you all have?
(???)
(???) I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) list afterall. :)
(IMG) f I do run something on my server, it would likely be Mailman or Sympa.
(???) I migrated off Majordomo some 10 years ago :-)
(???) - John
(???)
(???) Jeff
(???)
(???)
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(SND) imple@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
(???) John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > ...
(???) > What opinions do you all have?
(???)
(???) I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) list afterall. :)
(IMG) f I do run something on my server, it would likely be Mailman or Sympa.
(???) I migrated off Majordomo some 10 years ago :-)
(???) - John
(???)
(???) Jeff
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 14:46 (CEST), John Goerzen wrote:
(???) * We have no control over who posts, subscribes, or participates
(???) ope, that's the whole concept of USENET...
(???) n the other hand, it's not so hard to put a NNTP server with password-protected accounts.
(???) * There is no way to moderate or ban troublemakers
(???) ee above. That's USENET. Banning is done locally through the KillFile of every reader.
(???) f course, on a authentication-aware NNTP server, it's easy to ban anyone.
(???) ven more - it's even possible to, say, give read access to everyone without authentication, and write access to only registered people...
(???) nyway, if you ask me, I would say that any kind of "registration" is a bad thing. That's why a like USENET so much :)
(???) * There is no way to subscribe and get full emails of every post like
(???) there is with a regular Google Group (digest or "summaries" only)
(IMG) t's up to you. If you want to use your real mail on NNTP, nobody prevents you. The difference between that and a mailing list is that via NNTP you have the choice.
(???) * There is no way to control what goes on the group's home page
(???) ey, NNTP and HTTP are two different things :)
(???) ou may create any homepage you like.
(???) * There is no way to obtain a subsriber list if we want to migrate
(???) elsewhere
(IMG) f we would migrate elsewhere, it's enough to post an annoucement about the moving few weeks before, to give the time to anybody to get the notification before it's done. I see no problem there.
(???) * There is no way to load our existing subscriber list into the group
(???) hat do you mean by "load our existing subscribers"?
(???) * I am not certain whether you can post via email to a Usenet Google
(???) Group; if you can, it certainly wasn't very obvious.
(???) ou use any kind of NNTP client for that. However, some email clients (like Outlook) comes with NNTP support as well.
(???) This group is actually available via a bidirectional NNTP gateway from
(???) Gmane; see http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general for
(???) details. This arrangement has been in place for some years and I would
(???) expect it to continue.
(???) ow, that's cool! Too bad I know about that only now :-P
(???) I'm not sure it would buy is much anyway; Usenet is waning in popularity
(???) as a discussion forum and many ISPs don't carry it anymore anyhow.
(IMG) SPs doesn't have to carry it. I pay my ISP to provide me an internet link, not for getting me a NNTP account / email address / whatever.
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 14:46 (CEST), John Goerzen wrote:
(???) * We have no control over who posts, subscribes, or participates
(???) ope, that's the whole concept of USENET...
(???) n the other hand, it's not so hard to put a NNTP server with password-protected accounts.
(???) * There is no way to moderate or ban troublemakers
(???) ee above. That's USENET. Banning is done locally through the KillFile of every reader.
(???) f course, on a authentication-aware NNTP server, it's easy to ban anyone.
(???) ven more - it's even possible to, say, give read access to everyone without authentication, and write access to only registered people...
(???) nyway, if you ask me, I would say that any kind of "registration" is a bad thing. That's why a like USENET so much :)
(???) * There is no way to subscribe and get full emails of every post like
(???) there is with a regular Google Group (digest or "summaries" only)
(IMG) t's up to you. If you want to use your real mail on NNTP, nobody prevents you. The difference between that and a mailing list is that via NNTP you have the choice.
(???) * There is no way to control what goes on the group's home page
(???) ey, NNTP and HTTP are two different things :)
(???) ou may create any homepage you like.
(???) * There is no way to obtain a subsriber list if we want to migrate
(???) elsewhere
(IMG) f we would migrate elsewhere, it's enough to post an annoucement about the moving few weeks before, to give the time to anybody to get the notification before it's done. I see no problem there.
(???) * There is no way to load our existing subscriber list into the group
(???) hat do you mean by "load our existing subscribers"?
(???) * I am not certain whether you can post via email to a Usenet Google
(???) Group; if you can, it certainly wasn't very obvious.
(???) ou use any kind of NNTP client for that. However, some email clients (like Outlook) comes with NNTP support as well.
(???) This group is actually available via a bidirectional NNTP gateway from
(???) Gmane; see http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general for
(???) details. This arrangement has been in place for some years and I would
(???) expect it to continue.
(???) ow, that's cool! Too bad I know about that only now :-P
(???) I'm not sure it would buy is much anyway; Usenet is waning in popularity
(???) as a discussion forum and many ISPs don't carry it anymore anyhow.
(IMG) SPs doesn't have to carry it. I pay my ISP to provide me an internet link, not for getting me a NNTP account / email address / whatever.
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Fri, 2009-08-14 at 07:46 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) FWIW, there's no way to load old archives into any Google Group,
(???) Usenet or otherwise.
(IMG) n case of normal NNTP you can very easily send a mbox file to the
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Fri, 2009-08-14 at 07:46 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) FWIW, there's no way to load old archives into any Google Group,
(???) Usenet or otherwise.
(IMG) n case of normal NNTP you can very easily send a mbox file to the
(SND) erver with only a few lions of shellscript. I think the main problem is
(???) hat most servers will kick you if you are going to post a very large
(???) umber of messages to it in a very short time.
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(???) ateusz Viste wrote:
(???) On Friday 14 August 2009 14:46 (CEST), John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > * We have no control over who posts, subscribes, or participates
(???)
(???) Nope, that's the whole concept of USENET...
(???) snip ]
(IMG) think we're miscommunicating here.
(IMG) understand the whole concept of Usenet. The question is: do we tell
(PNG) eople that this mailing list has moved to comp.infosystems.gopher on
(???) oogle Groups?
(IMG) don't think it's practical to tell them that it's moved there, or to
(???) senet in general, because the barrier to entry is too high. If it
(???) eren't, this list would have never existed. This list has always had
(???) ore on-topic traffic than c.i.g, even when it was created, and Usenet
(DOC) iscussion groups were more popular back then even. I think that is
(???) mple evidence that an email group is needed.
(???) - John
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(???) ateusz Viste wrote:
(???) On Friday 14 August 2009 14:46 (CEST), John Goerzen wrote:
(???) > * We have no control over who posts, subscribes, or participates
(???)
(???) Nope, that's the whole concept of USENET...
(???) snip ]
(IMG) think we're miscommunicating here.
(IMG) understand the whole concept of Usenet. The question is: do we tell
(PNG) eople that this mailing list has moved to comp.infosystems.gopher on
(???) oogle Groups?
(IMG) don't think it's practical to tell them that it's moved there, or to
(???) senet in general, because the barrier to entry is too high. If it
(???) eren't, this list would have never existed. This list has always had
(???) ore on-topic traffic than c.i.g, even when it was created, and Usenet
(DOC) iscussion groups were more popular back then even. I think that is
(???) mple evidence that an email group is needed.
(???) - John
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Thu, 2009-08-13 at 19:09 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) I noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) complete.org, was dropped
(???) from Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 2003.
(???)
(???) After some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) Mailman or to Google Groups.
(IMG) vote *against* google because of the following:
(IMG) don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) ecause of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things. I also
(DOC) on't want to need a google account. Can you 100% be sure that all users
(???) f the list do not need one for the next ten years?
(???) lso I would not like to convert this list to a news group or the like
(SND) imply because it isn't one. I currently prefer the push of lists over
(???) he pull of groups. you may set up some gateway, but this one more part
(???) o setup and maintain.
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Thu, 2009-08-13 at 19:09 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) I noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) complete.org, was dropped
(???) from Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 2003.
(???)
(???) After some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) Mailman or to Google Groups.
(IMG) vote *against* google because of the following:
(IMG) don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) ecause of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things. I also
(DOC) on't want to need a google account. Can you 100% be sure that all users
(???) f the list do not need one for the next ten years?
(???) lso I would not like to convert this list to a news group or the like
(SND) imply because it isn't one. I currently prefer the push of lists over
(???) he pull of groups. you may set up some gateway, but this one more part
(???) o setup and maintain.
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 16:38:29 2009
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(???) hilipp Schafft wrote:
(???) reflum,
(???) I vote *against* google because of the following:
(???)
(???) I don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) because of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things. I also
(???) don't want to need a google account. Can you 100% be sure that all users
(???) of the list do not need one for the next ten years?
(???) ou're right, of course; nobody can guarantee these things, about Google
(???) roups, complete.org, or anything else. People can get in car
(???) ccidents, corporate policies can change, sites can go under or be
(???) ought out.
(TN3) he best way to deal with it in any case is make sure you're able to
(SND) witch at any moment. That means, mainly, having access to your
(???) rchives in mbox format and your subscriber list in some sort of
(???) achine-readable format. Both of which we could get whether we use
(???) oogle Groups, Mailman, or something else.
(???) ith Google Groups, the mbox archive would be indirect; you can't export
(???) n archive from there, but you *can* from Gmane, and Gmane can easily
(???) rchive Google Groups. With Mailman, it makes mbox archives itself,
(???) hough its archive engine pretty much sucks in every other way.
(???) o, let's try to sum things up...
(???) * This and the OfflineIMAP list are the last two on complete.org that
(HTM) aven't decided where to go yet. All the others have decided to go to
(???) oogle Groups.
(???) * As far as preferences go:
(???) 1 person is fine either way (Brian Koontz)
(???) 2 people don't want Google (Cameron Kaiser, simple/Jeff)
(???) 2 people wants us to abolish this group in favor of Usenet
(IMG) n other words, we don't have a clear preference yet.
(???) * It probably doesn't make sense for me to maintain an entire Mailman
(???) or $LISTSERVER_OF_CHOICE) installation on complete.org for only 1 or 2
(???) ists.
(???) * Mailman hosting is, however, a dime a dozen these days. I could
(???) asily set up a gopher project on alioth.debian.org,
(SND) avannah.nongnu.org, or even use the existing one on SourceForge if we
(???) anted to have a non-Google option.
(???) * Regardless of whether we go with Google, Mailman on complete.org,
(???) ailman elsewhere, etc... I would make certain that I have access to
(???) rchives in mbox format and the subscriber list in one way or other so
(???) e could migrate again in the future if needed.
(???) * gopher@complete.org could forward to the posting address of the new
(???) ist indefinitely.
(???) Also I would not like to convert this list to a news group or the like
(???) simply because it isn't one. I currently prefer the push of lists over
(???) the pull of groups. you may set up some gateway, but this one more part
(???) to setup and maintain.
(IMG) agree. Gmane provides an excellent gateway already, for free, so I'd
(???) ncourage people that want to use NNTP for this group to use it. It
(???) omes with none of the drawbacks of Usenet.
(???) - John
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 16:38:53 2009
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(???) hilipp Schafft wrote:
(???) reflum,
(???) I vote *against* google because of the following:
(???)
(???) I don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) because of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things. I also
(???) don't want to need a google account. Can you 100% be sure that all users
(???) of the list do not need one for the next ten years?
(???) ou're right, of course; nobody can guarantee these things, about Google
(???) roups, complete.org, or anything else. People can get in car
(???) ccidents, corporate policies can change, sites can go under or be
(???) ought out.
(TN3) he best way to deal with it in any case is make sure you're able to
(SND) witch at any moment. That means, mainly, having access to your
(???) rchives in mbox format and your subscriber list in some sort of
(???) achine-readable format. Both of which we could get whether we use
(???) oogle Groups, Mailman, or something else.
(???) ith Google Groups, the mbox archive would be indirect; you can't export
(???) n archive from there, but you *can* from Gmane, and Gmane can easily
(???) rchive Google Groups. With Mailman, it makes mbox archives itself,
(???) hough its archive engine pretty much sucks in every other way.
(???) o, let's try to sum things up...
(???) * This and the OfflineIMAP list are the last two on complete.org that
(HTM) aven't decided where to go yet. All the others have decided to go to
(???) oogle Groups.
(???) * As far as preferences go:
(???) 1 person is fine either way (Brian Koontz)
(???) 2 people don't want Google (Cameron Kaiser, simple/Jeff)
(???) 2 people wants us to abolish this group in favor of Usenet
(IMG) n other words, we don't have a clear preference yet.
(???) * It probably doesn't make sense for me to maintain an entire Mailman
(???) or $LISTSERVER_OF_CHOICE) installation on complete.org for only 1 or 2
(???) ists.
(???) * Mailman hosting is, however, a dime a dozen these days. I could
(???) asily set up a gopher project on alioth.debian.org,
(SND) avannah.nongnu.org, or even use the existing one on SourceForge if we
(???) anted to have a non-Google option.
(???) * Regardless of whether we go with Google, Mailman on complete.org,
(???) ailman elsewhere, etc... I would make certain that I have access to
(???) rchives in mbox format and the subscriber list in one way or other so
(???) e could migrate again in the future if needed.
(???) * gopher@complete.org could forward to the posting address of the new
(???) ist indefinitely.
(???) Also I would not like to convert this list to a news group or the like
(???) simply because it isn't one. I currently prefer the push of lists over
(???) the pull of groups. you may set up some gateway, but this one more part
(???) to setup and maintain.
(IMG) agree. Gmane provides an excellent gateway already, for free, so I'd
(???) ncourage people that want to use NNTP for this group to use it. It
(???) omes with none of the drawbacks of Usenet.
(???) - John
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 16:40:41 2009
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(???) * It probably doesn't make sense for me to maintain an entire Mailman
(???) (or $LISTSERVER_OF_CHOICE) installation on complete.org for only 1 or 2
(???) lists.
(???) learly not :)
(???) * Mailman hosting is, however, a dime a dozen these days. I could
(???) easily set up a gopher project on alioth.debian.org,
(???) savannah.nongnu.org, or even use the existing one on SourceForge if we
(???) wanted to have a non-Google option.
(IMG) actually like this idea, particularly on a site like nongnu or debian that
s likely to have big permanence. I'd support this option.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Diamonds are forever. ------------------------------------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 16:41:15 2009
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(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:41:15 +0200
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:32:50 -0500 (CDT)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <4A857494.1030306@complete.org> from John Goerzen at "Aug 14, 9 09:28:36 am"
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(???) * It probably doesn't make sense for me to maintain an entire Mailman
(???) (or $LISTSERVER_OF_CHOICE) installation on complete.org for only 1 or 2
(???) lists.
(???) learly not :)
(???) * Mailman hosting is, however, a dime a dozen these days. I could
(???) easily set up a gopher project on alioth.debian.org,
(???) savannah.nongnu.org, or even use the existing one on SourceForge if we
(???) wanted to have a non-Google option.
(IMG) actually like this idea, particularly on a site like nongnu or debian that
s likely to have big permanence. I'd support this option.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Diamonds are forever. ------------------------------------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 16:42:21 2009
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(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:42:21 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:40:38 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200908141440.n7EEeZrO018130@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <200908141046.53929.mateusz@viste-family.net> from Mateusz Viste at "Aug 14, 9 10:46:43 am"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:40:35 -0700 (PDT)
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:40:38 -0500
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(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) I was always wondering why the gopher mailing list is more popular than
(???) the newsgroup comp.infosystems.gopher...
(???) ecause Usenet, unfortunately, has kind of been slowly withering for years
(???) nd many ISPs are taking advantage of the recent shortsighted legal actions
n the USA to simply drop it.
(???) or example, I pay an extra $13/mo for my Usenet access, and most people
(???) ren't willing to if their ISP doesn't already offer it. My ISP does have
(???) subcontracted news-swerver somewhere, but I prefer Newscene, so I stay
(???) ith them. (I used to run my own spool back when it was still possible to
(DOC) o so on a relatively small system over a suck feed. Those days are gone.)
(IMG) t's really a significant barrier to entry for more users than I think many
(PNG) eople realize, particularly those of us who use Usenet regularly. The new
(???) ternal September comes from Google Groups, but Google wants people in their
(???) alled garden, so Usenet is still not quite a first-class citizen to them
(???) ither.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Why do we scoff at fortune tellers, yet listen to economists? --------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 16:43:07 2009
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(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:40:38 -0500 (CDT)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <200908141046.53929.mateusz@viste-family.net> from Mateusz Viste at "Aug 14, 9 10:46:43 am"
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(???) I was always wondering why the gopher mailing list is more popular than
(???) the newsgroup comp.infosystems.gopher...
(???) ecause Usenet, unfortunately, has kind of been slowly withering for years
(???) nd many ISPs are taking advantage of the recent shortsighted legal actions
n the USA to simply drop it.
(???) or example, I pay an extra $13/mo for my Usenet access, and most people
(???) ren't willing to if their ISP doesn't already offer it. My ISP does have
(???) subcontracted news-swerver somewhere, but I prefer Newscene, so I stay
(???) ith them. (I used to run my own spool back when it was still possible to
(DOC) o so on a relatively small system over a suck feed. Those days are gone.)
(IMG) t's really a significant barrier to entry for more users than I think many
(PNG) eople realize, particularly those of us who use Usenet regularly. The new
(???) ternal September comes from Google Groups, but Google wants people in their
(???) alled garden, so Usenet is still not quite a first-class citizen to them
(???) ither.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Why do we scoff at fortune tellers, yet listen to economists? --------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 17:08:01 2009
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(???) eferences: <4A84AB26.3080005@complete.org> <20090814081010.GA809@A-Eskwadraat.nl> <4A855CA3.90604@complete.org> <200908141508.51334.mateusz@viste-family.net> <4A856386.8020108@complete.org>
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 15:15, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) I don't think it's practical to tell them that it's moved there, or to
(???) Usenet in general, because the barrier to entry is too high. Â If it
(???) weren't, this list would have never existed. Â This list has always had
(???) more on-topic traffic than c.i.g, even when it was created, and Usenet
(???) discussion groups were more popular back then even. Â I think that is
(???) ample evidence that an email group is needed.
(???) asy access for end-user IS definitely some argument here. :)
(???) nyway, thanks to this thread I learned about the existence of
(GIF) mane.network.gopher.general, so as far as I'm concerned, every option
(???) ill be okay for me, as long as this mailinglist-nntp gateway is
(PNG) reserved :-)
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 17:08:24 2009
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(???) n Friday 14 August 2009 15:15, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) I don't think it's practical to tell them that it's moved there, or to
(???) Usenet in general, because the barrier to entry is too high. Â If it
(???) weren't, this list would have never existed. Â This list has always had
(???) more on-topic traffic than c.i.g, even when it was created, and Usenet
(???) discussion groups were more popular back then even. Â I think that is
(???) ample evidence that an email group is needed.
(???) asy access for end-user IS definitely some argument here. :)
(???) nyway, thanks to this thread I learned about the existence of
(GIF) mane.network.gopher.general, so as far as I'm concerned, every option
(???) ill be okay for me, as long as this mailinglist-nntp gateway is
(PNG) reserved :-)
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> [090813 17:31]:
(???) I really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break
(???) all threads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's
(???) is no better.
(IMG) 've been wanting to have better archives for some mailman lists I
(???) dmin. Searching around for options brought me to this [1] on the
(???) ailman wiki, where there's a suggestion of using Lurker [2] as a
(ERR) rd-party archiver. Haven't had a chance to play around with it yet...
(TN3) hese [3] seem to be some examples of Lurker in use.
(???) 1] http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/ModernArchiving
(???) 2] http://lurker.sourceforge.net/
(???) 3] http://archives.free.net.ph/splash/index.en.html
(IMG) 'd be in favor of GNU Mailman over Google groups, but I agree,
(???) etter archiving & searching would be good to have.
(???) ohn
(???) -
(???) ohn Magolske
(HTM) ttp://B79.net/contact
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(???) John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> [090813 17:31]:
(???) I really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break
(???) all threads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's
(???) is no better.
(IMG) 've been wanting to have better archives for some mailman lists I
(???) dmin. Searching around for options brought me to this [1] on the
(???) ailman wiki, where there's a suggestion of using Lurker [2] as a
(ERR) rd-party archiver. Haven't had a chance to play around with it yet...
(TN3) hese [3] seem to be some examples of Lurker in use.
(???) 1] http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/ModernArchiving
(???) 2] http://lurker.sourceforge.net/
(???) 3] http://archives.free.net.ph/splash/index.en.html
(IMG) 'd be in favor of GNU Mailman over Google groups, but I agree,
(???) etter archiving & searching would be good to have.
(???) ohn
(???) -
(???) ohn Magolske
(HTM) ttp://B79.net/contact
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(???) s the first option I would say to check which of other options makes
(PNG) roblems people who use own mail servers with DynDNS. What is very
mportant to me on this list is that I haven't have any problems about
(???) ail yet. This could change if you switch to Google Groups. as far as I
(???) now large email services do not accept emails from DynDNS email
(SND) ervers. It is explained by spam fight, however, a guy who worked t such
(???) ne large email service told that their operators sell burned CDs with
(DOC) ata about all new registered accounts to somebody every evening, their
(???) osses know about that and don't do anything against that, so obviously
(???) he bosses also have some money from that - when you know that all their
(???) ords about spam fight seem to be just f*ing shit - sorry for my French.
(???) o I think they just block their potential or real concurrents on the
(???) mail market. Anyway, I'm afraid that after the service migrates to
(???) oogle Groups or whatever I will have problems with this list, so please
(???) be carefull, ensure that there will be no problems for users like me
(???) ecause of the migration. If you want youcan first create a test mailing
(???) ist using Google Groups and I will test if it will be OK for me about
(PNG) osting there. I like this list, but I don't want any technical
(PNG) roblems, I don't want that it starts to refuse all my mails at some
(???) oment.
(TN3) hanks in advance.
(???) D0=92 =D0=A7=D1=82=D0=B2, 13/08/2009 =D0=B2 19:09 -0500, John Goerzen =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hi,
(???) =20
(???) I noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) complete.org, was dropped
(???) from Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 20=
(TXT) 3.
(???) =20
(???) After some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) Mailman or to Google Groups.
(???) =20
(???) I really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break all
(???) threads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's is no
(???) better.
(???) =20
(???) Google Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
(???) interface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) like 'em.
(???) =20
(???) I'm thinking I'll do this:
(???) =20
(???) 1) Make sure full archives are present at gmane.org.
(???) =20
(???) 2) Migrate this list and the subscriber list to either Mailman on my
(???) server or Google Groups, making sure new posts there also archive on Gman=
(???) .
(???) =20
(???) 3) Issue HTTP redirects to the new archives for each post.
(???) =20
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(???) =20
(???) -- John
(???) =20
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(???) s the first option I would say to check which of other options makes
(PNG) roblems people who use own mail servers with DynDNS. What is very
mportant to me on this list is that I haven't have any problems about
(???) ail yet. This could change if you switch to Google Groups. as far as I
(???) now large email services do not accept emails from DynDNS email
(SND) ervers. It is explained by spam fight, however, a guy who worked t such
(???) ne large email service told that their operators sell burned CDs with
(DOC) ata about all new registered accounts to somebody every evening, their
(???) osses know about that and don't do anything against that, so obviously
(???) he bosses also have some money from that - when you know that all their
(???) ords about spam fight seem to be just f*ing shit - sorry for my French.
(???) o I think they just block their potential or real concurrents on the
(???) mail market. Anyway, I'm afraid that after the service migrates to
(???) oogle Groups or whatever I will have problems with this list, so please
(???) be carefull, ensure that there will be no problems for users like me
(???) ecause of the migration. If you want youcan first create a test mailing
(???) ist using Google Groups and I will test if it will be OK for me about
(PNG) osting there. I like this list, but I don't want any technical
(PNG) roblems, I don't want that it starts to refuse all my mails at some
(???) oment.
(TN3) hanks in advance.
(???) D0=92 =D0=A7=D1=82=D0=B2, 13/08/2009 =D0=B2 19:09 -0500, John Goerzen =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hi,
(???) =20
(???) I noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) complete.org, was dropped
(???) from Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 20=
(TXT) 3.
(???) =20
(???) After some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) Mailman or to Google Groups.
(???) =20
(???) I really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break all
(???) threads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's is no
(???) better.
(???) =20
(???) Google Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
(???) interface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) like 'em.
(???) =20
(???) I'm thinking I'll do this:
(???) =20
(???) 1) Make sure full archives are present at gmane.org.
(???) =20
(???) 2) Migrate this list and the subscriber list to either Mailman on my
(???) server or Google Groups, making sure new posts there also archive on Gman=
(???) .
(???) =20
(???) 3) Issue HTTP redirects to the new archives for each post.
(???) =20
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(???) =20
(???) -- John
(???) =20
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(???) y the way, take a look on posterous. I don't know how it is there about
(SND) earch, but maybe, it will make the thing about archives a little bit
(???) asier. Let's say, if a copy of every email is sent there - you can set
t in the email server's configuration.
(???) D0=92 =D0=A7=D1=82=D0=B2, 13/08/2009 =D0=B2 19:09 -0500, John Goerzen =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hi,
(???) =20
(???) I noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) complete.org, was dropped
(???) from Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 20=
(TXT) 3.
(???) =20
(???) After some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) Mailman or to Google Groups.
(???) =20
(???) I really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break all
(???) threads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's is no
(???) better.
(???) =20
(???) Google Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
(???) interface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) like 'em.
(???) =20
(???) I'm thinking I'll do this:
(???) =20
(???) 1) Make sure full archives are present at gmane.org.
(???) =20
(???) 2) Migrate this list and the subscriber list to either Mailman on my
(???) server or Google Groups, making sure new posts there also archive on Gman=
(???) .
(???) =20
(???) 3) Issue HTTP redirects to the new archives for each post.
(???) =20
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(???) =20
(???) -- John
(???) =20
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 18:54:50 2009
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(???) y the way, take a look on posterous. I don't know how it is there about
(SND) earch, but maybe, it will make the thing about archives a little bit
(???) asier. Let's say, if a copy of every email is sent there - you can set
t in the email server's configuration.
(???) D0=92 =D0=A7=D1=82=D0=B2, 13/08/2009 =D0=B2 19:09 -0500, John Goerzen =D0=
(???) BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
(???) Hi,
(???) =20
(???) I noticed recently that Ecartis, the mailing list software I run on
(???) complete.org, was dropped
(???) from Debian in May and apparently hasn't had an upstream release since 20=
(TXT) 3.
(???) =20
(???) After some checking, it looks like my two main options are to switch to
(???) Mailman or to Google Groups.
(???) =20
(???) I really hate my current archives on list.complete.org, which break all
(???) threads at month boundaries and have no search engine. Mailman's is no
(???) better.
(???) =20
(???) Google Groups is, and as a bonus provides a web-based forum-like
(???) interface. Personally I detest those, but I know there are many that
(???) like 'em.
(???) =20
(???) I'm thinking I'll do this:
(???) =20
(???) 1) Make sure full archives are present at gmane.org.
(???) =20
(???) 2) Migrate this list and the subscriber list to either Mailman on my
(???) server or Google Groups, making sure new posts there also archive on Gman=
(???) .
(???) =20
(???) 3) Issue HTTP redirects to the new archives for each post.
(???) =20
(???) What opinions do you all have?
(???) =20
(???) -- John
(???) =20
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 20:48:07 2009
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(IMG) would prefer not to use google. Maybe I would better like using
(SND) ervices of sourceforge, alioth.debian.org or savannah.nongnu.org
(???) entioned before.
(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) Philipp Schafft wrote:
(???) > reflum,
(???) > I vote *against* google because of the following:
(???) >
(???) > I don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) > because of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things. I also
(???) > don't want to need a google account. Can you 100% be sure that all users
(???) > of the list do not need one for the next ten years?
(???)
(???) You're right, of course; nobody can guarantee these things, about Google
(???) Groups, complete.org, or anything else. People can get in car
(???) accidents, corporate policies can change, sites can go under or be
(???) bought out.
(???)
(???) The best way to deal with it in any case is make sure you're able to
(???) switch at any moment. That means, mainly, having access to your
(???) archives in mbox format and your subscriber list in some sort of
(???) machine-readable format. Both of which we could get whether we use
(???) Google Groups, Mailman, or something else.
(???)
(???) With Google Groups, the mbox archive would be indirect; you can't export
(???) an archive from there, but you *can* from Gmane, and Gmane can easily
(???) archive Google Groups. With Mailman, it makes mbox archives itself,
(???) though its archive engine pretty much sucks in every other way.
(???)
(???) So, let's try to sum things up...
(???)
(???) * This and the OfflineIMAP list are the last two on complete.org that
(???) haven't decided where to go yet. All the others have decided to go to
(???) Google Groups.
(???)
(???) * As far as preferences go:
(???) 1 person is fine either way (Brian Koontz)
(???) 2 people don't want Google (Cameron Kaiser, simple/Jeff)
(???) 2 people wants us to abolish this group in favor of Usenet
(???)
(???) In other words, we don't have a clear preference yet.
(???)
(???) * It probably doesn't make sense for me to maintain an entire Mailman
(???) (or $LISTSERVER_OF_CHOICE) installation on complete.org for only 1 or 2
(???) lists.
(???)
(???) * Mailman hosting is, however, a dime a dozen these days. I could
(???) easily set up a gopher project on alioth.debian.org,
(???) savannah.nongnu.org, or even use the existing one on SourceForge if we
(???) wanted to have a non-Google option.
(???)
(???) * Regardless of whether we go with Google, Mailman on complete.org,
(???) Mailman elsewhere, etc... I would make certain that I have access to
(???) archives in mbox format and the subscriber list in one way or other so
(???) we could migrate again in the future if needed.
(???)
(???) * gopher@complete.org could forward to the posting address of the new
(???) list indefinitely.
(???)
(???) > Also I would not like to convert this list to a news group or the like
(???) > simply because it isn't one. I currently prefer the push of lists over
(???) > the pull of groups. you may set up some gateway, but this one more part
(???) > to setup and maintain.
(???)
(???) I agree. Gmane provides an excellent gateway already, for free, so I'd
(???) encourage people that want to use NNTP for this group to use it. It
(???) comes with none of the drawbacks of Usenet.
(???)
(???) -- John
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 20:49:05 2009
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(IMG) would prefer not to use google. Maybe I would better like using
(SND) ervices of sourceforge, alioth.debian.org or savannah.nongnu.org
(???) entioned before.
(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) Philipp Schafft wrote:
(???) > reflum,
(???) > I vote *against* google because of the following:
(???) >
(???) > I don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) > because of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things. I also
(???) > don't want to need a google account. Can you 100% be sure that all users
(???) > of the list do not need one for the next ten years?
(???)
(???) You're right, of course; nobody can guarantee these things, about Google
(???) Groups, complete.org, or anything else. People can get in car
(???) accidents, corporate policies can change, sites can go under or be
(???) bought out.
(???)
(???) The best way to deal with it in any case is make sure you're able to
(???) switch at any moment. That means, mainly, having access to your
(???) archives in mbox format and your subscriber list in some sort of
(???) machine-readable format. Both of which we could get whether we use
(???) Google Groups, Mailman, or something else.
(???)
(???) With Google Groups, the mbox archive would be indirect; you can't export
(???) an archive from there, but you *can* from Gmane, and Gmane can easily
(???) archive Google Groups. With Mailman, it makes mbox archives itself,
(???) though its archive engine pretty much sucks in every other way.
(???)
(???) So, let's try to sum things up...
(???)
(???) * This and the OfflineIMAP list are the last two on complete.org that
(???) haven't decided where to go yet. All the others have decided to go to
(???) Google Groups.
(???)
(???) * As far as preferences go:
(???) 1 person is fine either way (Brian Koontz)
(???) 2 people don't want Google (Cameron Kaiser, simple/Jeff)
(???) 2 people wants us to abolish this group in favor of Usenet
(???)
(???) In other words, we don't have a clear preference yet.
(???)
(???) * It probably doesn't make sense for me to maintain an entire Mailman
(???) (or $LISTSERVER_OF_CHOICE) installation on complete.org for only 1 or 2
(???) lists.
(???)
(???) * Mailman hosting is, however, a dime a dozen these days. I could
(???) easily set up a gopher project on alioth.debian.org,
(???) savannah.nongnu.org, or even use the existing one on SourceForge if we
(???) wanted to have a non-Google option.
(???)
(???) * Regardless of whether we go with Google, Mailman on complete.org,
(???) Mailman elsewhere, etc... I would make certain that I have access to
(???) archives in mbox format and the subscriber list in one way or other so
(???) we could migrate again in the future if needed.
(???)
(???) * gopher@complete.org could forward to the posting address of the new
(???) list indefinitely.
(???)
(???) > Also I would not like to convert this list to a news group or the like
(???) > simply because it isn't one. I currently prefer the push of lists over
(???) > the pull of groups. you may set up some gateway, but this one more part
(???) > to setup and maintain.
(???)
(???) I agree. Gmane provides an excellent gateway already, for free, so I'd
(???) encourage people that want to use NNTP for this group to use it. It
(???) comes with none of the drawbacks of Usenet.
(???)
(???) -- John
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Aug 14 21:39:55 2009
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 07:46:27AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) * I am not certain whether you can post via email to a Usenet Google
(???) Group; if you can, it certainly wasn't very obvious.
(???) ou can, but it requires a Google account. Which sort of defeats the
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(???) --Brian
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 07:46:27AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) * I am not certain whether you can post via email to a Usenet Google
(???) Group; if you can, it certainly wasn't very obvious.
(???) ou can, but it requires a Google account. Which sort of defeats the
(PNG) urpose for those purists who don't want to deal with Google Groups...
(???) --Brian
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(IMG) prefer the second choice. I'd like anything not connected to Google.
(???) aybe SourceForge or alioth.debian.org.
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(???) 2 people wants us to abolish this group in favor of Usenet
(???)
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(IMG) prefer the second choice. I'd like anything not connected to Google.
(???) aybe SourceForge or alioth.debian.org.
(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) * As far as preferences go:
(???) 1 person is fine either way (Brian Koontz)
(???) 2 people don't want Google (Cameron Kaiser, simple/Jeff)
(???) 2 people wants us to abolish this group in favor of Usenet
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Philipp Schafft<lion@lion.leolix.org> wrote:
(???) I vote *against* google because of the following:
(???)
(???) I don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) because of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things.
(???) Philipp.
(IMG) 'm pretty sure privacy is one of the major concerns of a public
(???) ailing list </sarcasm>
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Philipp Schafft<lion@lion.leolix.org> wrote:
(???) I vote *against* google because of the following:
(???)
(???) I don't what to depend on Google in any way. I do not like google much
(???) because of variuos reasons including poltical and privicy things.
(???) Philipp.
(IMG) 'm pretty sure privacy is one of the major concerns of a public
(???) ailing list </sarcasm>
(???) --
(???) /Alex
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(???) y now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) oogle, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) e can reach consensus about this:
(???) y preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) ecause I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
nvolved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) ntertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???) lioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) hen after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) ccount to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(IMG) try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) hat most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) ontent around the edges.
(???) omments?
(???) - John
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(???) y now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) oogle, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) e can reach consensus about this:
(???) y preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) ecause I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
nvolved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) ntertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???) lioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) hen after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) ccount to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(IMG) try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) hat most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) ontent around the edges.
(???) omments?
(???) - John
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Fri, 2009-08-14 at 19:42 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it.
(???) ebian -> OK
(???) You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???) o Account needed -> OK
(???) I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) content around the edges.
(???) e had several problems with SourceForge on the DECnet for Linux project
(???) another nice project, just use a search engine).
(???) on Google, Non SourceForge -> OK
(???) Comments?
(???) till a ML (no media break) -> OK
(???) As of my understanding) the gateways/archives will keep as they are ->
(???) K
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
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(???) eflum,
(???) n Fri, 2009-08-14 at 19:42 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it.
(???) ebian -> OK
(???) You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???) o Account needed -> OK
(???) I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) content around the edges.
(???) e had several problems with SourceForge on the DECnet for Linux project
(???) another nice project, just use a search engine).
(???) on Google, Non SourceForge -> OK
(???) Comments?
(???) till a ML (no media break) -> OK
(???) As of my understanding) the gateways/archives will keep as they are ->
(???) K
(???) -
(???) hilipp.
(???) (Rah of PH2)
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(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(IMG) 'm fine with debian.org.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Remember, kids: for great justice take off every zig! ----------------------
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(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
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(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(IMG) 'm fine with debian.org.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
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(???) - Remember, kids: for great justice take off every zig! ----------------------
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(???) n Saturday 15 August 2009 02:42, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian).
(???) ebian is just fine for me, if there is a way to swap the actual gmane
(???) NNTP) gopher archive to it, and keep using gmane for that (or any other
(???) NTP gateway) :)
(IMG) 'm using gmane/NNTP now, and it's *perfect* :) Could you tell me if I can
(SND) afely unsubscribe on the mailing-list ('cause I'm obviously still
(???) eceiving messages via email, which I would prefer to avoid)?
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) n Saturday 15 August 2009 02:42, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
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(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian).
(???) ebian is just fine for me, if there is a way to swap the actual gmane
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(???) NTP gateway) :)
(IMG) 'm using gmane/NNTP now, and it's *perfect* :) Could you tell me if I can
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(???) eceiving messages via email, which I would prefer to avoid)?
(???) est regards,
(???) ateusz Viste
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(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???)
(???) I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) content around the edges.
(???)
(???) Comments?
(???)
(???) -- John
(IMG) 'll support this desicion. Think it's the best choice.
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(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???)
(???) I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) content around the edges.
(???)
(???) Comments?
(???)
(???) -- John
(IMG) 'll support this desicion. Think it's the best choice.
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 07:42:39PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(IMG) support this, a mailing list on alioth.debian.org sounds as the best option.
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot <schot@a-eskwadraat.nl>
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(???) n Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 07:42:39PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(IMG) support this, a mailing list on alioth.debian.org sounds as the best option.
(???) egards,
(???) --
(???) eroen Schot <schot@a-eskwadraat.nl>
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(???) lioth.debian.org seems ok for me too
(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???)
(???) I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) content around the edges.
(???)
(???) Comments?
(???)
(???) -- John
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:15:47 +0200
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(???) eceived: from sammakko.firstvds.ru ([82.146.44.239])
(???) eceived: from [95.28.70.206] (test@95-28-70-206.broadband.corbina.ru [95.28.70.206])
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(???) lioth.debian.org seems ok for me too
(???) ohn Goerzen wrote:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???)
(???) I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) content around the edges.
(???)
(???) Comments?
(???)
(???) -- John
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) n Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:43:56 -0700
(SND) imple@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
(???) John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > ...
(???) > What opinions do you all have?
(???)
(???) I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) list afterall. :)
(???)
(???) Jeff
(???)
(???)
(???)
(IMG) side with Jeff
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sat Aug 15 21:27:39 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:27:39 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:21:16 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from www.hal3000.cx
(???) eceived: from work2.hal3000.cx (work2.hal3000.cx [10.0.0.20])
(???) ate: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:09:43 -0500
(???) rom: chris <chris@hal3000.cx>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: This mailing list
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(???) n Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:43:56 -0700
(SND) imple@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
(???) John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > ...
(???) > What opinions do you all have?
(???)
(???) I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) list afterall. :)
(???)
(???) Jeff
(???)
(???)
(???)
(IMG) side with Jeff
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sat Aug 15 23:20:31 2009
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:20:31 +0200
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:17:07 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.228])
(???) eceived: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52])
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(???) ate: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:11:59 -0700
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Mailing List Decisions
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vote for anything BUT google.
(???) IR IMUTNAPIŠTIM wrote:
(???) John Goerzen wrote:
(???)
(???) > By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) > Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) > we can reach consensus about this:
(???) >
(???) > My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) > because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) > involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) > entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???) >
(???) > Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) > then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) > account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???) >
(???) > I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) > that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) > content around the edges.
(???) >
(???) > Comments?
(???) >
(???) > -- John
(???) >
(???) I'll support this desicion. Think it's the best choice.
(???)
(???)
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vote for anything BUT google.
(???) IR IMUTNAPIŠTIM wrote:
(???) John Goerzen wrote:
(???)
(???) > By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) > Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) > we can reach consensus about this:
(???) >
(???) > My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) > because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) > involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) > entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people prefer.
(???) >
(???) > Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) > then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) > account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???) >
(???) > I try to avoid SourceForge these days. It has become so commercialized
(???) > that most pages are nothing but blatant and annoying ads with a little
(???) > content around the edges.
(???) >
(???) > Comments?
(???) >
(???) > -- John
(???) >
(???) I'll support this desicion. Think it's the best choice.
(???)
(???)
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(DIR) 00% against google
(???) n Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:09 PM, chris<chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
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(???) > > ...
(???) > > What opinions do you all have?
(???) >
(???) > I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) > list afterall. :)
(???) >
(???) > Jeff
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) I side with Jeff
(???)
(???)
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(???) n Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:09 PM, chris<chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
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(???) simple@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
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(???) > John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
(???) > > ...
(???) > > What opinions do you all have?
(???) >
(???) > I vote majordomo run off your server. It's a low traffic
(???) > list afterall. :)
(???) >
(???) > Jeff
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) I side with Jeff
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) m Saturday 15 August 2009 02:42:39 schrieb John Goerzen:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(TN3) hat's what i would want, too, so /AOL here.
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people
(???) prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???)
(IMG) myself would be fine with both debian and nongnu, but would like to throw
(GIF) mane into discussion as well. Have to admit that i don't know whether or not
(???) hey run the mailing lists themselves, but i love the way they make
(???) ailinglists accesible via NNTP, and they apparently do a decent job when it
(???) omes to archiving the lists.
(???) ust my two pennies,
(???) lorian
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(???) m Saturday 15 August 2009 02:42:39 schrieb John Goerzen:
(???) By now it seems consensus is forming that people don't want to move to
(???) Google, but would like to see the list at some *forge. So let's see if
(???) we can reach consensus about this:
(???)
(TN3) hat's what i would want, too, so /AOL here.
(???) My preference if we do that leans towards alioth.debian.org, mainly
(???) because I already have an account there, shell access there, and am
(???) involved with the sponsoring project (Debian). I would be happy to
(???) entertain savannah.nongnu.org or some other forge as well, if people
(???) prefer.
(???)
(???) Alioth policy requires a Debian developer to create the project, but
(???) then after that anyone can maintain it. You need not have an Alioth
(???) account to participate on the list; you can go straight to mailman.
(???)
(IMG) myself would be fine with both debian and nongnu, but would like to throw
(GIF) mane into discussion as well. Have to admit that i don't know whether or not
(???) hey run the mailing lists themselves, but i love the way they make
(???) ailinglists accesible via NNTP, and they apparently do a decent job when it
(???) omes to archiving the lists.
(???) ust my two pennies,
(???) lorian
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(???) iya,
(???) n Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 06:05:05PM +0200, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) I'd prefer Google or majordomo, but I suppose anything that isn't run
(???) by GNU would be okay with me
(???) preferring Google over GNU... that's a rather strong viewpoint :)
(???) these days it's somehow hip and cool to hate GNU, but the folks who do
(SND) o commonly don't like Google stuff either. Strange I say
(???) (on topic: I'd prefer private hosting somewhere using mailman; barring
(???) hat, Debian or somesuch)
(???) ith friendship,
(???) Mate
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(???) iya,
(???) n Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 06:05:05PM +0200, Alex Nordlund wrote:
(???) I'd prefer Google or majordomo, but I suppose anything that isn't run
(???) by GNU would be okay with me
(???) preferring Google over GNU... that's a rather strong viewpoint :)
(???) these days it's somehow hip and cool to hate GNU, but the folks who do
(SND) o commonly don't like Google stuff either. Strange I say
(???) (on topic: I'd prefer private hosting somewhere using mailman; barring
(???) hat, Debian or somesuch)
(???) ith friendship,
(???) Mate
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(???) n Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Cameron Kaiser<spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
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(???) n Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Cameron Kaiser<spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
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(???) n Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander@gmail.com>wrote:
(???) On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Cameron Kaiser<spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) >
(???) http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/arts/2009/08/19/2009-08-19_sorry_betty_archie_proposes_to_veronica.html
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(???) n Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander@gmail.com>wrote:
(???) On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Cameron Kaiser<spectre@floodgap.com>
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(???) http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/arts/2009/08/19/2009-08-19_sorry_betty_archie_proposes_to_veronica.html
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(???) Hot stuff!
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(IMG) 'm a bit late with this reply but I'd much prefer a privately hosted
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(???) heers
(???) uke
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(???) heers
(???) uke