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(???) n 7/24/07, SiMpLe MaChInEs <simple@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) I'd appreciate any feedback for
(???) other client/plateform combos of course.
(???) ynx and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5)
(???) ecko/20070716 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 (under Windows Millennium) work fine
(???) ith gopher://jgw.mdns.org/ . Arachne v1.90;J1 under DOS (actually a
(???) oot diskette) also works quite well. That said, I agree with Jumper,
t's better to stick with port 70 whenever possible. We're not all FSF
(???) embers, you know (sorry Chris ;-) .
(???) Have a hot summer,
(???) o, thanks. It's already too hot here... :-p
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
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(???) n 7/24/07, SiMpLe MaChInEs <simple@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) I'd appreciate any feedback for
(???) other client/plateform combos of course.
(???) ynx and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5)
(???) ecko/20070716 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 (under Windows Millennium) work fine
(???) ith gopher://jgw.mdns.org/ . Arachne v1.90;J1 under DOS (actually a
(???) oot diskette) also works quite well. That said, I agree with Jumper,
t's better to stick with port 70 whenever possible. We're not all FSF
(???) embers, you know (sorry Chris ;-) .
(???) Have a hot summer,
(???) o, thanks. It's already too hot here... :-p
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
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(???) n 7/16/07, Mark <mark@w00f.eu> wrote:
(???) You could always start to read this RFC:
(???) http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1436.txt
(IMG) 'll have more time to read it: gopher://gopher.shii.org/ now works
(???) ine with SeaMonkey :-)
(???) -
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(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
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(???) n 7/16/07, Mark <mark@w00f.eu> wrote:
(???) You could always start to read this RFC:
(???) http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1436.txt
(IMG) 'll have more time to read it: gopher://gopher.shii.org/ now works
(???) ine with SeaMonkey :-)
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
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(TN3) his is the last I will say about Port 70. It comes from the second paragraph of the Introduction, in the Gopher Protocol RFC1436:
(???)
(???) Gopher servers should listen on port 70 (port 70 is assigned to Internet Gopher by IANA).
(???)
(???) tegozor <stegozor@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) On 7/24/07, SiMpLe MaChInEs wrote:
(???) I'd appreciate any feedback for
(???) other client/plateform combos of course.
(???) ynx and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5)
(???) ecko/20070716 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 (under Windows Millennium) work fine
(???) ith gopher://jgw.mdns.org/ . Arachne v1.90;J1 under DOS (actually a
(???) oot diskette) also works quite well. That said, I agree with Jumper,
t's better to stick with port 70 whenever possible. We're not all FSF
(???) embers, you know (sorry Chris ;-) .
(???) Have a hot summer,
(???) o, thanks. It's already too hot here... :-p
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(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
(???)
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(TN3) his is the last I will say about Port 70. It comes from the second paragraph of the Introduction, in the Gopher Protocol RFC1436:
(???)
(???) Gopher servers should listen on port 70 (port 70 is assigned to Internet Gopher by IANA).
(???)
(???) tegozor <stegozor@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) On 7/24/07, SiMpLe MaChInEs wrote:
(???) I'd appreciate any feedback for
(???) other client/plateform combos of course.
(???) ynx and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5)
(???) ecko/20070716 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 (under Windows Millennium) work fine
(???) ith gopher://jgw.mdns.org/ . Arachne v1.90;J1 under DOS (actually a
(???) oot diskette) also works quite well. That said, I agree with Jumper,
t's better to stick with port 70 whenever possible. We're not all FSF
(???) embers, you know (sorry Chris ;-) .
(???) Have a hot summer,
(???) o, thanks. It's already too hot here... :-p
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
(???)
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(IMG) t doesn't appear that the authors of this RFC had it in mind that
(GIF) ophers would *always* appear on port 70:
(???) There is nothing to prevent secondary servers or services from running
(???) on otherwise named servers or ports other than 70, however these
(???) should be reachable via a primary server.
(???) lso, the word "should" doesn't mandate compliance. It's a
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(???) n Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:08:42AM -0700, JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) This is the last I will say about Port 70. It comes from the second paragraph of the Introduction, in the Gopher Protocol RFC1436:
(???)
(???) Gopher servers should listen on port 70 (port 70 is assigned to Internet Gopher by IANA).
(???)
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(IMG) t doesn't appear that the authors of this RFC had it in mind that
(GIF) ophers would *always* appear on port 70:
(???) There is nothing to prevent secondary servers or services from running
(???) on otherwise named servers or ports other than 70, however these
(???) should be reachable via a primary server.
(???) lso, the word "should" doesn't mandate compliance. It's a
(???) ecommendation.
(???) --Brian
(???) n Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:08:42AM -0700, JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) This is the last I will say about Port 70. It comes from the second paragraph of the Introduction, in the Gopher Protocol RFC1436:
(???)
(???) Gopher servers should listen on port 70 (port 70 is assigned to Internet Gopher by IANA).
(???)
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(???) eriouisly though please read the rest of the RFC as Brian posted, and remeber the secondary servers such as whois, WAIS , Jughead, Jugtail, Veronica and other gophers not privaleged to port 70 and multiple gophers from one IP, you simply are looking at it as a convienience to you and assuming that the world can or should comply with broken clients, this honestly is a ( in my opinion) silly if not selfish stance, and all joking aside and with no undo flaming please consider what your asking. Firstly all gophers at my location and others that use "other than" port 70 would be ... what eliminated? And then also would all search engines not on 70 (jughead and veronica are not meant to run on port 70 )? And of non privaleged to port 70 users all over elsewhere ? This to me is preposterous and against any and all RFC's written ever about the gopher protocol. I mean it too, it's simply unfathomable to me that because a client is not correct that a sever should change to match it..!
(???) . I mean really ?!? Whats with that?!
(???) hatever I spose its all mute since it's only gopher and nothing of any importance to anyone but.... a larger and more dangerous point and one your not seeing is that your prepared to stand with a side that is saying
(???) ... because we built something this way the world shall now follow.
(???) ot standing on the side that says ok we see all the potentials and capabilities so we will build our client accordingly.
(???) ne has the horse lead the cart the other turns them around and later on if you feel as it sounds like you do you will watch as a great many things change and freedoms erode and fall away as monolpolies steer the course of software development, it happens already look at all the computers brought new to run the latest software which requires a larger more bloated O.S. , but my, how this steers away from gopher... or does it?
(???) ust my advice never let client side software steer the ship, or whomever made the client side software will own your boat.
(???) ut heck as for what happens to gopher does anyone really care except for like 6 people? I just want it kept as it is with the rules it has always had.
(???) gain, I mean no flames or personal disrespect but I feel strongly about keeping gopher intact as is.
(???) hris
(???) n Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:08:42 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) This is the last I will say about Port 70. It comes from the second paragraph of the Introduction, in the Gopher Protocol RFC1436:
(???)
(???) Gopher servers should listen on port 70 (port 70 is assigned to Internet Gopher by IANA).
(???)
(???) Stegozor <stegozor@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) On 7/24/07, SiMpLe MaChInEs wrote:
(???) > I'd appreciate any feedback for
(???) > other client/plateform combos of course.
(???)
(???) Lynx and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5)
(???) Gecko/20070716 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 (under Windows Millennium) work fine
(???) with gopher://jgw.mdns.org/ . Arachne v1.90;J1 under DOS (actually a
(???) boot diskette) also works quite well. That said, I agree with Jumper,
(???) it's better to stick with port 70 whenever possible. We're not all FSF
(???) members, you know (sorry Chris ;-) .
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(???) > Have a hot summer,
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(???) No, thanks. It's already too hot here... :-p
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(???) eriouisly though please read the rest of the RFC as Brian posted, and remeber the secondary servers such as whois, WAIS , Jughead, Jugtail, Veronica and other gophers not privaleged to port 70 and multiple gophers from one IP, you simply are looking at it as a convienience to you and assuming that the world can or should comply with broken clients, this honestly is a ( in my opinion) silly if not selfish stance, and all joking aside and with no undo flaming please consider what your asking. Firstly all gophers at my location and others that use "other than" port 70 would be ... what eliminated? And then also would all search engines not on 70 (jughead and veronica are not meant to run on port 70 )? And of non privaleged to port 70 users all over elsewhere ? This to me is preposterous and against any and all RFC's written ever about the gopher protocol. I mean it too, it's simply unfathomable to me that because a client is not correct that a sever should change to match it..!
(???) . I mean really ?!? Whats with that?!
(???) hatever I spose its all mute since it's only gopher and nothing of any importance to anyone but.... a larger and more dangerous point and one your not seeing is that your prepared to stand with a side that is saying
(???) ... because we built something this way the world shall now follow.
(???) ot standing on the side that says ok we see all the potentials and capabilities so we will build our client accordingly.
(???) ne has the horse lead the cart the other turns them around and later on if you feel as it sounds like you do you will watch as a great many things change and freedoms erode and fall away as monolpolies steer the course of software development, it happens already look at all the computers brought new to run the latest software which requires a larger more bloated O.S. , but my, how this steers away from gopher... or does it?
(???) ust my advice never let client side software steer the ship, or whomever made the client side software will own your boat.
(???) ut heck as for what happens to gopher does anyone really care except for like 6 people? I just want it kept as it is with the rules it has always had.
(???) gain, I mean no flames or personal disrespect but I feel strongly about keeping gopher intact as is.
(???) hris
(???) n Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:08:42 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) This is the last I will say about Port 70. It comes from the second paragraph of the Introduction, in the Gopher Protocol RFC1436:
(???)
(???) Gopher servers should listen on port 70 (port 70 is assigned to Internet Gopher by IANA).
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(???) Stegozor <stegozor@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) On 7/24/07, SiMpLe MaChInEs wrote:
(???) > I'd appreciate any feedback for
(???) > other client/plateform combos of course.
(???)
(???) Lynx and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5)
(???) Gecko/20070716 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 (under Windows Millennium) work fine
(???) with gopher://jgw.mdns.org/ . Arachne v1.90;J1 under DOS (actually a
(???) boot diskette) also works quite well. That said, I agree with Jumper,
(???) it's better to stick with port 70 whenever possible. We're not all FSF
(???) members, you know (sorry Chris ;-) .
(???)
(???) > Have a hot summer,
(???)
(???) No, thanks. It's already too hot here... :-p
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(TN3) he original talk of port 70 actually goes back to mozilla and how when you search on jughead the browser shows for instance:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx:3000/7
(???) ut the page displayed is:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(???) r if i was going to:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx:7080
t looked as if i was there but the page displayed was:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(TN3) his led to discusion on mozillas board and here about port 70 and has been quite fully thrashed about by now.
(???) or some reason when moz decided to fix then unfix and reimplement gopher they chose to only allow port 70 and further made all gopher requests go to port 70 regardless of what port you typed in, this imo is worse than saying you can only use port 70.
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(???) ark <mark@w00f.eu> wrote:
(???) brian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) > Also, the word "should" doesn't mandate compliance. It's a
(???) > recommendation.
(???) >
(???) I agree; that's why it's called an RFC and not something else. :)
(???)
(???) The port 70 discussion started because someone forwarded their port 70
(???) internet to a different port on LAN? My idea about this, is that it is
(???) never a good idea to run a service on a different internal port than
(???) it's external port. This because it's a definite way to show
(???) difficulties like the one being discussed now. A rather pointless
(???) discussion anyway, imho. :)
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(TN3) he original talk of port 70 actually goes back to mozilla and how when you search on jughead the browser shows for instance:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx:3000/7
(???) ut the page displayed is:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(???) r if i was going to:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx:7080
t looked as if i was there but the page displayed was:
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(TN3) his led to discusion on mozillas board and here about port 70 and has been quite fully thrashed about by now.
(???) or some reason when moz decided to fix then unfix and reimplement gopher they chose to only allow port 70 and further made all gopher requests go to port 70 regardless of what port you typed in, this imo is worse than saying you can only use port 70.
(???)
(???) n Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:33:25 +0200
(???) ark <mark@w00f.eu> wrote:
(???) brian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) > Also, the word "should" doesn't mandate compliance. It's a
(???) > recommendation.
(???) >
(???) I agree; that's why it's called an RFC and not something else. :)
(???)
(???) The port 70 discussion started because someone forwarded their port 70
(???) internet to a different port on LAN? My idea about this, is that it is
(???) never a good idea to run a service on a different internal port than
(???) it's external port. This because it's a definite way to show
(???) difficulties like the one being discussed now. A rather pointless
(???) discussion anyway, imho. :)
(???)
(???) --Mark
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(???) eems that I'll have to copy and paste my remarks about keeping the
(???) opher protocol in Mozilla based browsers from bug 351748 "Remove UI
(???) or Gopher proxy settings" (
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748 ) to bug 388195
(???) Consider removing gopher protocol support for Firefox" (
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 ), which was filed
(???) ecently (July 2007) :-( .
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388192 "Remove gopher OS
ntegration support" might worth a look too, although this one is
(???) not_ about removing the gopher protocol entirely.
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
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(???) eems that I'll have to copy and paste my remarks about keeping the
(???) opher protocol in Mozilla based browsers from bug 351748 "Remove UI
(???) or Gopher proxy settings" (
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748 ) to bug 388195
(???) Consider removing gopher protocol support for Firefox" (
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 ), which was filed
(???) ecently (July 2007) :-( .
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388192 "Remove gopher OS
ntegration support" might worth a look too, although this one is
(???) not_ about removing the gopher protocol entirely.
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
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(IMG) don't understand the incentive, here. Why are these people so concerned
(???) ith removing UI elements that aren't even in the way? If a prompt came up
(???) very time you opened the browser asking for a Gopher proxy, it'd make
(SND) ense, but come on... Tools > Options > Advanced > Network > Settings? The
(???) majority" of people don't even use proxies to begin with. It's almost as if
(???) hese bug reports are made just so people can say they contributed to a
(???) irefox build.
(IMG) wonder if it's even worth fighting. I mean, it's 2007. If Mozilla felt the
(???) eed to discontinue Gopher support, they'd have done it a long time ago.
(TN3) hey could just end up ignoring these.
(???) n 8/21/07, Mark <mark@w00f.eu> wrote:
(???)
(???) How dare they!
(???)
(???) Time for protest, me thinks. Gentlemen, saddle your horses!
(???)
(???) M
(???)
(???) Stegozor wrote:
(???) > Seems that I'll have to copy and paste my remarks about keeping the
(???) > Gopher protocol in Mozilla based browsers from bug 351748 "Remove UI
(???) > for Gopher proxy settings" (
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748 ) to bug 388195
(???) > "Consider removing gopher protocol support for Firefox" (
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 ), which was filed
(???) > recently (July 2007) :-( .
(???) >
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388192 "Remove gopher OS
(???) > integration support" might worth a look too, although this one is
(???) > _not_ about removing the gopher protocol entirely.
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(IMG) don't understand the incentive, here. Why are these people so concerned
(???) ith removing UI elements that aren't even in the way? If a prompt came up
(???) very time you opened the browser asking for a Gopher proxy, it'd make
(SND) ense, but come on... Tools > Options > Advanced > Network > Settings? The
(???) majority" of people don't even use proxies to begin with. It's almost as if
(???) hese bug reports are made just so people can say they contributed to a
(???) irefox build.
(IMG) wonder if it's even worth fighting. I mean, it's 2007. If Mozilla felt the
(???) eed to discontinue Gopher support, they'd have done it a long time ago.
(TN3) hey could just end up ignoring these.
(???) n 8/21/07, Mark <mark@w00f.eu> wrote:
(???)
(???) How dare they!
(???)
(???) Time for protest, me thinks. Gentlemen, saddle your horses!
(???)
(???) M
(???)
(???) Stegozor wrote:
(???) > Seems that I'll have to copy and paste my remarks about keeping the
(???) > Gopher protocol in Mozilla based browsers from bug 351748 "Remove UI
(???) > for Gopher proxy settings" (
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748 ) to bug 388195
(???) > "Consider removing gopher protocol support for Firefox" (
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 ), which was filed
(???) > recently (July 2007) :-( .
(???) >
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388192 "Remove gopher OS
(???) > integration support" might worth a look too, although this one is
(???) > _not_ about removing the gopher protocol entirely.
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) n 8/22/07, Hugh Guiney <hugh.guiney@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) I don't understand the incentive, here. Why are these people so concerned
(???) with removing UI elements that aren't even in the way? If a prompt came up
(???) every time you opened the browser asking for a Gopher proxy, it'd make
(???) sense, but come on... Tools > Options > Advanced > Network > Settings? The
(???) "majority" of people don't even use proxies to begin with. It's almost as if
(???) these bug reports are made just so people can say they contributed to a
(???) Firefox build.
(???) I wonder if it's even worth fighting. I mean, it's 2007. If Mozilla felt the
(???) need to discontinue Gopher support, they'd have done it a long time ago.
(???) They could just end up ignoring these.
(???) ish you were right, but unfortunately, it seems that they're
(SND) eriously thinking about completely removing the Gopher protocol
(SND) upport. Please see
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 (not the bug about
(PNG) roxy UI settings but the protocol itself, as a whole). Moreover, the
(???) ug title has just been changed from "Consider removing gopher
(PNG) rotocol support for Firefox" to "Remove gopher protocol support for
(???) irefox". Several patches are already attached and the target is Gecko
(DIR) .9, which means Firefox 3.
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
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(???) n 8/22/07, Hugh Guiney <hugh.guiney@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) I don't understand the incentive, here. Why are these people so concerned
(???) with removing UI elements that aren't even in the way? If a prompt came up
(???) every time you opened the browser asking for a Gopher proxy, it'd make
(???) sense, but come on... Tools > Options > Advanced > Network > Settings? The
(???) "majority" of people don't even use proxies to begin with. It's almost as if
(???) these bug reports are made just so people can say they contributed to a
(???) Firefox build.
(???) I wonder if it's even worth fighting. I mean, it's 2007. If Mozilla felt the
(???) need to discontinue Gopher support, they'd have done it a long time ago.
(???) They could just end up ignoring these.
(???) ish you were right, but unfortunately, it seems that they're
(SND) eriously thinking about completely removing the Gopher protocol
(SND) upport. Please see
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 (not the bug about
(PNG) roxy UI settings but the protocol itself, as a whole). Moreover, the
(???) ug title has just been changed from "Consider removing gopher
(PNG) rotocol support for Firefox" to "Remove gopher protocol support for
(???) irefox". Several patches are already attached and the target is Gecko
(DIR) .9, which means Firefox 3.
(???) -
(???) Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was
(???) talin. If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of
(???) reedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're
(???) ot in favor of free speech". Noam Chomsky.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 22 04:35:46 2007
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <f705f7020708211621m16937daar98b95f309e8a717c@mail.gmail.com> from Stegozor at "Aug 22, 7 01:21:07 am"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) Seems that I'll have to copy and paste my remarks about keeping the
(???) Gopher protocol in Mozilla based browsers from bug 351748 "Remove UI
(???) for Gopher proxy settings" (
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748 ) to bug 388195
(???) "Consider removing gopher protocol support for Firefox" (
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 ), which was filed
(???) recently (July 2007) :-( .
(TN3) he rationale on this one is really stupid -- to fix an alleged issue with
(PNG) rotocol handlers, they submit canning the protocol entirely.
(???) ART posted.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Aibohphobia, the fear of palindromes. -- Brian Braunschweiger --------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 22 04:35:52 2007
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <f705f7020708211621m16937daar98b95f309e8a717c@mail.gmail.com> from Stegozor at "Aug 22, 7 01:21:07 am"
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(???) Seems that I'll have to copy and paste my remarks about keeping the
(???) Gopher protocol in Mozilla based browsers from bug 351748 "Remove UI
(???) for Gopher proxy settings" (
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748 ) to bug 388195
(???) "Consider removing gopher protocol support for Firefox" (
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 ), which was filed
(???) recently (July 2007) :-( .
(TN3) he rationale on this one is really stupid -- to fix an alleged issue with
(PNG) rotocol handlers, they submit canning the protocol entirely.
(???) ART posted.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Aibohphobia, the fear of palindromes. -- Brian Braunschweiger --------------
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Firefox and Gopher, bad news...
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(TN3) hese issues seem to be popping up more often, so I've inaugurated a
(???) racker to collect these Bugzilla entries. If anyone has any other
(???) andidates, please post them to the list.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - He is rising from affluence to poverty. -- Mark Twain ----------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 22 06:31:47 2007
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <f705f7020708211859x2aff5b5bk4492b8388cc2772e@mail.gmail.com> from Stegozor at "Aug 22, 7 03:59:55 am"
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(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 22
(TN3) hese issues seem to be popping up more often, so I've inaugurated a
(???) racker to collect these Bugzilla entries. If anyone has any other
(???) andidates, please post them to the list.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - He is rising from affluence to poverty. -- Mark Twain ----------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 23 05:19:40 2007
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Firefox and Gopher, bad news...
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(???) ho is the person (or 2 or 3 persons) who keep bringing up issues about the Gopher Protocol continuing to exist in browsers (all browsers... Netscape, I.E., MSNTV, etc.)? Are they perhaps all employees of the same company?
(???)
(???) The average Joe has never even heard of Gopher, and could care less even if they knew what it was. Therefore, it must be just one or two persons with some kind of a personal agenda. If we find out who that person is, perhaps we can either convince them to leave Gopher alone, or if they are unwilling to debate, demonstrate to other programmers that the persons recommendations are tainted.
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) These issues seem to be popping up more often, so I've inaugurated a
(???) racker to collect these Bugzilla entries. If anyone has any other
(???) andidates, please post them to the list.
(GIF) opher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/gopher/keepcore
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) ameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - He is rising from affluence to poverty. -- Mark Twain ----------------------
(???)
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 23 05:19:58 2007
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:13:38 -0500
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Firefox and Gopher, bad news...
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(???) ho is the person (or 2 or 3 persons) who keep bringing up issues about the Gopher Protocol continuing to exist in browsers (all browsers... Netscape, I.E., MSNTV, etc.)? Are they perhaps all employees of the same company?
(???)
(???) The average Joe has never even heard of Gopher, and could care less even if they knew what it was. Therefore, it must be just one or two persons with some kind of a personal agenda. If we find out who that person is, perhaps we can either convince them to leave Gopher alone, or if they are unwilling to debate, demonstrate to other programmers that the persons recommendations are tainted.
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) These issues seem to be popping up more often, so I've inaugurated a
(???) racker to collect these Bugzilla entries. If anyone has any other
(???) andidates, please post them to the list.
(GIF) opher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/gopher/keepcore
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) ameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - He is rising from affluence to poverty. -- Mark Twain ----------------------
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 23 05:28:09 2007
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:28:09 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:24:19 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200708230324.l7N3OG0E017806@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <381886.94121.qm@web35515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from JumpJet Mailbox at "Aug 22, 7 08:13:29 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:24:16 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:24:19 -0500
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(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:24:26 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Firefox and Gopher, bad news...
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
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(TN3) he most recent message reminded me. Do we have any Mozilla hackers out there
(???) ith some XPCOM JavaScript experience who might be able to help with the
(???) onversion? I have a skeleton but it doesn't do anything yet since I'm very
(???) nclear on how the network transport should be laid out.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - This message will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Jim. -- M:I ----
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Aug 23 05:28:18 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:28:18 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:24:19 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200708230324.l7N3OG0E017806@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <381886.94121.qm@web35515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from JumpJet Mailbox at "Aug 22, 7 08:13:29 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:24:16 -0700 (PDT)
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:24:19 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1692
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:24:26 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Firefox and Gopher, bad news...
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 26
(TN3) he most recent message reminded me. Do we have any Mozilla hackers out there
(???) ith some XPCOM JavaScript experience who might be able to help with the
(???) onversion? I have a skeleton but it doesn't do anything yet since I'm very
(???) nclear on how the network transport should be laid out.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - This message will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Jim. -- M:I ----
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Aug 26 18:08:29 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:08:29 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:59:38 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200708261559.l7QFxXuL013820@floodgap.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
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(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:59:37 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1693
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:59:46 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] bucktooth 0.2.2 being tested on Floodgap
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 27
(GIF) opher.floodgap.com is now running 0.2.2 after internal testing. If it holds
(???) p under the regular load and banging, 0.2.2 will be released later this week.
(???) lease report weirdness.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - BOND THEME NOW PLAYING: "Diamonds Are Forever" -----------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Aug 26 18:08:57 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on web.home
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:08:57 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:59:38 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200708261559.l7QFxXuL013820@floodgap.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:59:37 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1693
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:59:46 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] bucktooth 0.2.2 being tested on Floodgap
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 28
(GIF) opher.floodgap.com is now running 0.2.2 after internal testing. If it holds
(???) p under the regular load and banging, 0.2.2 will be released later this week.
(???) lease report weirdness.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - BOND THEME NOW PLAYING: "Diamonds Are Forever" -----------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 29 17:18:18 2007
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(???) ubject: [gopher] emergency downtime for gopher.floodgap.com
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(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Wed Aug 29 17:18:34 2007
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(GIF) opher.floodgap.com will be down immediately for emergency maintenance. It
(SND) hould be back online early this afternoon Pacific time.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - We aren't your science project! -- Akane, "Ranma 1/2" (OAV 9) --------------