(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 01 06:59:47 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:59:47 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:56:30 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704010454.l314sLTC016188@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <3902.33945.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from JumpJet Mailbox at "Mar 31, 7 04:45:24 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
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(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:56:30 -0500
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
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(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:56:37 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Port-a-Goph for PalmOS
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) -IMAPbase: 1176116729 142
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 1
(???) Whats the status of Port-a-Goph for PalmOS? Last I heard it was in the
(???) final testing stages.
(IMG) t's in a holding pattern pending changes to the networking library it uses.
(???) o ETA.
(???) -
(???) -------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - When two elephants fight, the grass and trees suffer. -- African proverb ---
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 01 07:00:01 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:00:01 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:56:30 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704010454.l314sLTC016188@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <3902.33945.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from JumpJet Mailbox at "Mar 31, 7 04:45:24 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:56:30 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1514
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:56:37 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Port-a-Goph for PalmOS
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 2
(???) Whats the status of Port-a-Goph for PalmOS? Last I heard it was in the
(???) final testing stages.
(IMG) t's in a holding pattern pending changes to the networking library it uses.
(???) o ETA.
(???) -
(???) -------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - When two elephants fight, the grass and trees suffer. -- African proverb ---
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Apr 05 06:11:39 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) -Spam-Level:
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:11:39 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:05:09 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org)
(???) eceived: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43)
(???) eceived: from ip-53.net-81-220-58.lyon.rev.numericable.fr ([81.220.58.53])
(???) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
(???) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
(???) for <gopher@complete.org>; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:04:28 +0200
(???) eceived: from stegozor by ip-53.net-81-220-58.lyon.rev.numericable.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
(???) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
(???) for <gopher@complete.org>; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:04:28 +0200
(???) -Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) rom: Stegozor <stegozor@gmail.com>
(???) ate: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:03:13 +0200
(???) ines: 18
(???) essage-ID: <ev1ovd$nfj$1@sea.gmane.org>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org
(???) -Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-53.net-81-220-58.lyon.rev.numericable.fr
(???) ser-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070222 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 Hamster/2.1.0.11
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:05:09 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1516
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: stegozor@gmail.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:05:16 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Submit your gopher related sites to dmoz
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 3
(???) i all,
(TN3) he gopher category of the Open Directory Project has a new editor in my
(HTM) umble person. I'm willing to expand it but I need your help. Please
(???) isit http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/ and submit your
(SND) ite or sites you like. No matter if it is a web, gopher or even ftp
(SND) ite, if it provides relevant and useful content about gopher it will be
(???) dded. To learn more about how to suggest a site to the Open Directory
(???) ollow this link: http://www.dmoz.org/add.html
(???) f course we can discuss about proposals here, but it would be much
(???) etter if you could submit them directly on dmoz anyway: my English is
(???) ot er... perfect ;) , and if it's your site, you're the one who can
(DOC) escribe it best. You can also suggest a better description, just click
(???) n "update listing" on the top of the screen. Suggestions about the
(DOC) escription and the FAQ would also be more than welcome.
(TN3) hanks in advance.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Apr 05 06:11:15 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:11:15 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:05:09 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org)
(???) eceived: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43)
(???) eceived: from ip-53.net-81-220-58.lyon.rev.numericable.fr ([81.220.58.53])
(???) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
(???) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
(???) for <gopher@complete.org>; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:04:28 +0200
(???) eceived: from stegozor by ip-53.net-81-220-58.lyon.rev.numericable.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
(???) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
(???) for <gopher@complete.org>; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:04:28 +0200
(???) -Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) rom: Stegozor <stegozor@gmail.com>
(???) ate: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:03:13 +0200
(???) ines: 18
(???) essage-ID: <ev1ovd$nfj$1@sea.gmane.org>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org
(???) -Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-53.net-81-220-58.lyon.rev.numericable.fr
(???) ser-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070222 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 Hamster/2.1.0.11
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:05:09 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1516
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: stegozor@gmail.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:05:16 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Submit your gopher related sites to dmoz
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 4
(???) i all,
(TN3) he gopher category of the Open Directory Project has a new editor in my
(HTM) umble person. I'm willing to expand it but I need your help. Please
(???) isit http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/ and submit your
(SND) ite or sites you like. No matter if it is a web, gopher or even ftp
(SND) ite, if it provides relevant and useful content about gopher it will be
(???) dded. To learn more about how to suggest a site to the Open Directory
(???) ollow this link: http://www.dmoz.org/add.html
(???) f course we can discuss about proposals here, but it would be much
(???) etter if you could submit them directly on dmoz anyway: my English is
(???) ot er... perfect ;) , and if it's your site, you're the one who can
(DOC) escribe it best. You can also suggest a better description, just click
(???) n "update listing" on the top of the screen. Suggestions about the
(DOC) escription and the FAQ would also be more than welcome.
(TN3) hanks in advance.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Apr 06 07:06:24 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:06:24 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:01 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704060503.l3653woT014352@floodgap.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:01 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1518
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:09 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] updates to Veronica-2 and VISHNU
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 5
(???) ome overhauls and an annoying bug in the relevancy logic have been finally
(???) ompleted/fixed. The robot will be starting to make its rounds again, and
(???) ou should notice some improvement in result relevancy without much loss of
(PNG) erformance.
(???) -
(???) -------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Let us live! Let us love! Let us share our darkest secrets! ... you first. -
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Apr 06 07:06:30 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:06:30 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:01 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704060503.l3653woT014352@floodgap.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:01 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1518
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:09 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] updates to Veronica-2 and VISHNU
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 6
(???) ome overhauls and an annoying bug in the relevancy logic have been finally
(???) ompleted/fixed. The robot will be starting to make its rounds again, and
(???) ou should notice some improvement in result relevancy without much loss of
(PNG) erformance.
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(???) i all,
(IMG) hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) irst I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) thanks Benn btw)
(IMG) would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(HTM) ttp://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(IMG) t is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) ersonally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) e was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(IMG) t was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) istorically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) fter all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(TN3) o my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) s it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(TN3) hanks Jonzy!
(TN3) hanks Mr Stallman!
(???) eronica is next?
(???) erhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???) appy Gophering!
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(???) i all,
(IMG) hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) irst I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) thanks Benn btw)
(IMG) would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(HTM) ttp://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(IMG) t is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) ersonally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) e was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(IMG) t was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) istorically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) fter all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(TN3) o my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) s it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(TN3) hanks Jonzy!
(TN3) hanks Mr Stallman!
(???) eronica is next?
(???) erhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???) appy Gophering!
(???) rintz
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(???) n 09/04/07, Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
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(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL.
(???) This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(TN3) en or so months ago, I sent a letter to the University of Nevada
(???) omputing support department (or whatever their fancy marketing term
(???) or it is). I never got a reply.
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
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(???) n 09/04/07, Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???)
(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL.
(???) This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(TN3) en or so months ago, I sent a letter to the University of Nevada
(???) omputing support department (or whatever their fancy marketing term
(???) or it is). I never got a reply.
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
(???) gopher://hal3000.cx
(???)
(???) --
(???) Join FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???) <URL:http://member.fsf.org/join?referrer=3014>
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) enn Newman
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(???) ossibly we could look for Fred Barrie or Steven Foster.
(???) onzy thought that Fred Barrie still lived in Henderson
(???) evada, I haven't been able to confirm that.
(IMG) know someone else was working with Archie, any news on
(GIF) etting it running or any possibilities on re-licensing it?
(???) hris
(???) n Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:59:51 -0500
(???) Benn Newman" <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) On 09/04/07, Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > Hi all,
(???) > I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) > First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) > (thanks Benn btw)
(???) >
(???) > I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) > http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???) >
(???) > It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) > Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) > He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) > It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) > Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) > After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) > To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) > As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???) >
(???) > Thanks Jonzy!
(???) > Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???) >
(???) > Veronica is next?
(???) > Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL.
(???) > This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???)
(???) Ten or so months ago, I sent a letter to the University of Nevada
(???) computing support department (or whatever their fancy marketing term
(???) for it is). I never got a reply.
(???)
(???) > Happy Gophering!
(???) > Orintz
(???) > gopher://hal3000.cx
(???) >
(???) > --
(???) > Join FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???) > <URL:http://member.fsf.org/join?referrer=3014>
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) oin FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???) URL:http://member.fsf.org/join?referrer=3014>
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(???) ossibly we could look for Fred Barrie or Steven Foster.
(???) onzy thought that Fred Barrie still lived in Henderson
(???) evada, I haven't been able to confirm that.
(IMG) know someone else was working with Archie, any news on
(GIF) etting it running or any possibilities on re-licensing it?
(???) hris
(???) n Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:59:51 -0500
(???) Benn Newman" <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) On 09/04/07, Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) >
(???) > Hi all,
(???) > I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) > First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) > (thanks Benn btw)
(???) >
(???) > I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) > http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???) >
(???) > It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) > Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) > He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) > It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) > Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) > After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) > To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) > As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???) >
(???) > Thanks Jonzy!
(???) > Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???) >
(???) > Veronica is next?
(???) > Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL.
(???) > This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???)
(???) Ten or so months ago, I sent a letter to the University of Nevada
(???) computing support department (or whatever their fancy marketing term
(???) for it is). I never got a reply.
(???)
(???) > Happy Gophering!
(???) > Orintz
(???) > gopher://hal3000.cx
(???) >
(???) > --
(???) > Join FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???) > <URL:http://member.fsf.org/join?referrer=3014>
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???)
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) oin FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???) URL:http://member.fsf.org/join?referrer=3014>
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(???) i all,
(???) ope you had a happy easter. As for me, I spent my time on Cameron's
(???) eronica 2 and on bugzilla.mozilla.org. I found some bugs and I'd like
(???) o share my thoughts. Here comes the list.
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(TN3) his one - the most recent bug about the Gopher protocol - is pretty
(DOC) angerous. It is about removing the user interface for Gopher proxy
(SND) ettings. Even worse, the last suggestion is: "let's keep it until we
(???) ompletely remove Gopher support". IMHO, someone should definitely
(DOC) efend the presence of Gopher in Mozilla codebase. Add yourself in the
(???) C list (don't vote for this one! ;), protest, do something... I was
(???) bout to do so, but I'm an eternal newbie and anything but a code wizard
(SND) o I think other people on this mailing list could do that much better
(???) han me. It would be really stupid if the recently corrected Gopher
(SND) upport was abandoned :(
(???) ell, here follow some other gopher related bugs filed in Mozilla's
(???) ugzilla. Fortunately, their goal is to enhance Gopher support, not to
(SND) uppress it. All in all, there are not so many bugs for gopher, but
(???) nfortunately, these bugs do not have many votes either. So my humble
(SND) uggestion is that you visit and vote for those who seem important to
(???) ou. Creating an account on bugzilla is easy and you won't get any spam
(???) ecause of the comments you might leave, so go on.
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194220
(???) Bug 194220 -- [meta] gopher)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(TN3) his one deserves a remark. I've spent a lot of time since the last week
(???) o find gopher sites for the gopher category of dmoz. When I landed on
(GIF) opher://gopher.hal3000.cx I tried the search engines. Unfortunately, no
(???) atter what the query was, I was taken to the homepage of the gopher
(???) ach time I pressed Enter. I ended up thinking that this was another
(???) nmaintained server. To be completely sure, I wrote a mail to Chris, and
(???) hen thanks to his explanations I discovered that this was a problem
(???) ith Firefox and the way it handles ports (Lynx works fine for
nstance). Hence, a call to all gophermasters: as long as this bug is
(???) ot corrected, IMHO all gopher search engines should stick with port 70,
(SND) imply because Firefox is the browser newbies like me who land on
(GIF) opherspace will be most likely using, let alone the fact that it's
(???) ecommended on many gopher sites. Be newbie friendly, copy floodgap,
(SND) tick with port 70 whenever possible, and vote for this bug please.
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83881
(???) gopher: preference to shut off sorting)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???) hould this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) ot sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(???) inally, to have a look at all open gopher related bugs click on
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=gopher
(TN3) here are less than 20 including those already mentioned, so don't be
(???) fraid :)
(???) -
(???) eel free to correct my English ;)
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(???) i all,
(???) ope you had a happy easter. As for me, I spent my time on Cameron's
(???) eronica 2 and on bugzilla.mozilla.org. I found some bugs and I'd like
(???) o share my thoughts. Here comes the list.
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(TN3) his one - the most recent bug about the Gopher protocol - is pretty
(DOC) angerous. It is about removing the user interface for Gopher proxy
(SND) ettings. Even worse, the last suggestion is: "let's keep it until we
(???) ompletely remove Gopher support". IMHO, someone should definitely
(DOC) efend the presence of Gopher in Mozilla codebase. Add yourself in the
(???) C list (don't vote for this one! ;), protest, do something... I was
(???) bout to do so, but I'm an eternal newbie and anything but a code wizard
(SND) o I think other people on this mailing list could do that much better
(???) han me. It would be really stupid if the recently corrected Gopher
(SND) upport was abandoned :(
(???) ell, here follow some other gopher related bugs filed in Mozilla's
(???) ugzilla. Fortunately, their goal is to enhance Gopher support, not to
(SND) uppress it. All in all, there are not so many bugs for gopher, but
(???) nfortunately, these bugs do not have many votes either. So my humble
(SND) uggestion is that you visit and vote for those who seem important to
(???) ou. Creating an account on bugzilla is easy and you won't get any spam
(???) ecause of the comments you might leave, so go on.
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194220
(???) Bug 194220 -- [meta] gopher)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(TN3) his one deserves a remark. I've spent a lot of time since the last week
(???) o find gopher sites for the gopher category of dmoz. When I landed on
(GIF) opher://gopher.hal3000.cx I tried the search engines. Unfortunately, no
(???) atter what the query was, I was taken to the homepage of the gopher
(???) ach time I pressed Enter. I ended up thinking that this was another
(???) nmaintained server. To be completely sure, I wrote a mail to Chris, and
(???) hen thanks to his explanations I discovered that this was a problem
(???) ith Firefox and the way it handles ports (Lynx works fine for
nstance). Hence, a call to all gophermasters: as long as this bug is
(???) ot corrected, IMHO all gopher search engines should stick with port 70,
(SND) imply because Firefox is the browser newbies like me who land on
(GIF) opherspace will be most likely using, let alone the fact that it's
(???) ecommended on many gopher sites. Be newbie friendly, copy floodgap,
(SND) tick with port 70 whenever possible, and vote for this bug please.
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83881
(???) gopher: preference to shut off sorting)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???) hould this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) ot sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(???) inally, to have a look at all open gopher related bugs click on
(HTM) ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=gopher
(TN3) here are less than 20 including those already mentioned, so don't be
(???) fraid :)
(???) -
(???) eel free to correct my English ;)
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(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) (Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(???) ow, this sucks. Everyone get on this and complain. It's the slippery
(SND) lope to removal. Thanks for pointing it out, and kudos to Aaron for
(???) umping on it also.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194220
(???) (Bug 194220 -- [meta] gopher)
(???) oted.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) (implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(???) oted. I'm not even sure why they did this that way.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83881
(???) (gopher: preference to shut off sorting)
(???) bviously the example is dead, but I thought this was fixed. It seems to
(???) nly affect XUL (I wouldn't notice since I use Camino).
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) (most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(???) oted. This looks like a good solution to implement.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) (wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(IMG) think I agree with the naysayers on this one. Although it would be nice
(???) o just type in gopher.floodgap.com and not get helsinki's *web* server,
(IMG) think this is a case where the solution will be worse than the problem for
(???) any users.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) (Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(TN3) his is mine! Vote for it! Aaron's the only other communicator recently of
(???) ote.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) (GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???) Should this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) not sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(IMG) t's for sites that mistakenly offer itemtype 0 for what really should be
temtype 9, just like someone offering a .zip file with MIME text/plain. I
(???) hink this should be fixed on the server and not the client.
(???) Feel free to correct my English ;)
(IMG) 'm sure it's better than me speaking your native language (what is it,
(???) nyway?).
(TN3) hanks very much for posting these. I've got the relevant ones on my
(???) c list now.
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(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Cleanliness is next to impossible. -----------------------------------------
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(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) (Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(???) ow, this sucks. Everyone get on this and complain. It's the slippery
(SND) lope to removal. Thanks for pointing it out, and kudos to Aaron for
(???) umping on it also.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194220
(???) (Bug 194220 -- [meta] gopher)
(???) oted.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) (implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(???) oted. I'm not even sure why they did this that way.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83881
(???) (gopher: preference to shut off sorting)
(???) bviously the example is dead, but I thought this was fixed. It seems to
(???) nly affect XUL (I wouldn't notice since I use Camino).
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) (most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(???) oted. This looks like a good solution to implement.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) (wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(IMG) think I agree with the naysayers on this one. Although it would be nice
(???) o just type in gopher.floodgap.com and not get helsinki's *web* server,
(IMG) think this is a case where the solution will be worse than the problem for
(???) any users.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) (Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(TN3) his is mine! Vote for it! Aaron's the only other communicator recently of
(???) ote.
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) (GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???) Should this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) not sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(IMG) t's for sites that mistakenly offer itemtype 0 for what really should be
temtype 9, just like someone offering a .zip file with MIME text/plain. I
(???) hink this should be fixed on the server and not the client.
(???) Feel free to correct my English ;)
(IMG) 'm sure it's better than me speaking your native language (what is it,
(???) nyway?).
(TN3) hanks very much for posting these. I've got the relevant ones on my
(???) c list now.
(???) -
(???) -------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Cleanliness is next to impossible. -----------------------------------------
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(TN3) hanks for bringing these all to the list.
(???) s for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) irst I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???) econd, it's not quite so easy.
(???) fter all, you see what I have on port 70, you keep going back to it.
(IMG) f I moved my main off 70, you'd never see it so it would be a mute point ;)
(???) f course I could give each search engine a specific machine and name (use resources) and do alot of virtual hosting, some of us are on a single IP. But virtual hosting is for apache, so maybe IPFW, by name to sub neted machine name, but better not do a port forward...
(TN3) here is,
(SND) criptexec.ExecHandler
(PNG) yg.PYGHandler
(GIF) ophermap.BuckGophermapHandler
(???) irtual.Virtual
(TN3) hese are other ways (good ones) in combinations and then of course re write the search engines or write a script and pipe them (more resources used), Cameron wrote his own veronica2, pygfarm is a bit different.
(IMG) have the original jughead and veronica and the way they were usually handled is how I am handling them. for instance , from Jughead.Readme: (Copyright 1993, 1994)
(???) #####################################################################
(???) reate a link file somewhere in your gopher data directory. Mine looks like:
(???) Name=Search all UofU menus using jughead
(???) Numb=4
(???) Type=7
(???) Port=3000
(???) Path=
(???) Host=gopher.utah.edu
(???) #####################################################################
(???) r Veronica README: (Copyright: 1993 University of Nevada)
(???) #####################################################################
(DIR) 1.
(???) eronica
(???) #####################################################################
(???) nd that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(IMG) understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a web page.
(???) elow is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???) Warning!!!!!, you are about to leave the Internet Gopher x
(???) [8]x Client and connect to an HTML Browser. Use the Browser x
(???) [9]x Help if you are not familiar with its commands. x
(???) [10x x
(???) [11x Upon quitting from the Browser, you will be returned to x
(???) [12x the Internet Gopher Client. x
(???) [13x
(IMG) actually have always thought that was a great solution.
(???) o the same for going from a web browser who's developers dont want to support gopher, have a notice in xmessage or whatever you want, to pop up, click ok and the lynx browser or gopher or whatever you have set in your preferences starts, when it stops your back in your browser...of course I thought mosaic handled images in a cool way , so maybe im weird ;)
(???) and yes I did say drop gopher because imo if they dont want to support it and wont, then dont release stuff half way right, which is more than half wrong ie: going back to main after entering a search request on a different port or ending up on a completely different gopher when trying to get to one on another port)
(???) ust my input.
(???) hris
(???) n Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:22:37 +0200
(???) tegozor <stegozor@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) Hi all,
(???)
(???) Hope you had a happy easter. As for me, I spent my time on Cameron's
(???) Veronica 2 and on bugzilla.mozilla.org. I found some bugs and I'd like
(???) to share my thoughts. Here comes the list.
(???)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) (Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(???)
(???) This one - the most recent bug about the Gopher protocol - is pretty
(???) dangerous. It is about removing the user interface for Gopher proxy
(???) settings. Even worse, the last suggestion is: "let's keep it until we
(???) completely remove Gopher support". IMHO, someone should definitely
(???) defend the presence of Gopher in Mozilla codebase. Add yourself in the
(???) CC list (don't vote for this one! ;), protest, do something... I was
(???) about to do so, but I'm an eternal newbie and anything but a code wizard
(???) so I think other people on this mailing list could do that much better
(???) than me. It would be really stupid if the recently corrected Gopher
(???) support was abandoned :(
(???)
(???)
(???) Well, here follow some other gopher related bugs filed in Mozilla's
(???) bugzilla. Fortunately, their goal is to enhance Gopher support, not to
(???) suppress it. All in all, there are not so many bugs for gopher, but
(???) unfortunately, these bugs do not have many votes either. So my humble
(???) suggestion is that you visit and vote for those who seem important to
(???) you. Creating an account on bugzilla is easy and you won't get any spam
(???) because of the comments you might leave, so go on.
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194220
(???) (Bug 194220 -- [meta] gopher)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) (implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(???)
(???) This one deserves a remark. I've spent a lot of time since the last week
(???) to find gopher sites for the gopher category of dmoz. When I landed on
(???) gopher://gopher.hal3000.cx I tried the search engines. Unfortunately, no
(???) matter what the query was, I was taken to the homepage of the gopher
(???) each time I pressed Enter. I ended up thinking that this was another
(???) unmaintained server. To be completely sure, I wrote a mail to Chris, and
(???) then thanks to his explanations I discovered that this was a problem
(???) with Firefox and the way it handles ports (Lynx works fine for
(???) instance). Hence, a call to all gophermasters: as long as this bug is
(???) not corrected, IMHO all gopher search engines should stick with port 70,
(???) simply because Firefox is the browser newbies like me who land on
(???) gopherspace will be most likely using, let alone the fact that it's
(???) recommended on many gopher sites. Be newbie friendly, copy floodgap,
(???) stick with port 70 whenever possible, and vote for this bug please.
(???)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83881
(???) (gopher: preference to shut off sorting)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) (most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) (wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) (Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) (GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???)
(???) Should this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) not sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(???)
(???) Finally, to have a look at all open gopher related bugs click on
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=gopher
(???) There are less than 20 including those already mentioned, so don't be
(???) afraid :)
(???)
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(???) Feel free to correct my English ;)
(???)
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(TN3) hanks for bringing these all to the list.
(???) s for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) irst I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???) econd, it's not quite so easy.
(???) fter all, you see what I have on port 70, you keep going back to it.
(IMG) f I moved my main off 70, you'd never see it so it would be a mute point ;)
(???) f course I could give each search engine a specific machine and name (use resources) and do alot of virtual hosting, some of us are on a single IP. But virtual hosting is for apache, so maybe IPFW, by name to sub neted machine name, but better not do a port forward...
(TN3) here is,
(SND) criptexec.ExecHandler
(PNG) yg.PYGHandler
(GIF) ophermap.BuckGophermapHandler
(???) irtual.Virtual
(TN3) hese are other ways (good ones) in combinations and then of course re write the search engines or write a script and pipe them (more resources used), Cameron wrote his own veronica2, pygfarm is a bit different.
(IMG) have the original jughead and veronica and the way they were usually handled is how I am handling them. for instance , from Jughead.Readme: (Copyright 1993, 1994)
(???) #####################################################################
(???) reate a link file somewhere in your gopher data directory. Mine looks like:
(???) Name=Search all UofU menus using jughead
(???) Numb=4
(???) Type=7
(???) Port=3000
(???) Path=
(???) Host=gopher.utah.edu
(???) #####################################################################
(???) r Veronica README: (Copyright: 1993 University of Nevada)
(???) #####################################################################
(DIR) 1.
(???) eronica
(???) #####################################################################
(???) nd that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(IMG) understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a web page.
(???) elow is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???) Warning!!!!!, you are about to leave the Internet Gopher x
(???) [8]x Client and connect to an HTML Browser. Use the Browser x
(???) [9]x Help if you are not familiar with its commands. x
(???) [10x x
(???) [11x Upon quitting from the Browser, you will be returned to x
(???) [12x the Internet Gopher Client. x
(???) [13x
(IMG) actually have always thought that was a great solution.
(???) o the same for going from a web browser who's developers dont want to support gopher, have a notice in xmessage or whatever you want, to pop up, click ok and the lynx browser or gopher or whatever you have set in your preferences starts, when it stops your back in your browser...of course I thought mosaic handled images in a cool way , so maybe im weird ;)
(???) and yes I did say drop gopher because imo if they dont want to support it and wont, then dont release stuff half way right, which is more than half wrong ie: going back to main after entering a search request on a different port or ending up on a completely different gopher when trying to get to one on another port)
(???) ust my input.
(???) hris
(???) n Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:22:37 +0200
(???) tegozor <stegozor@gmail.com> wrote:
(???) Hi all,
(???)
(???) Hope you had a happy easter. As for me, I spent my time on Cameron's
(???) Veronica 2 and on bugzilla.mozilla.org. I found some bugs and I'd like
(???) to share my thoughts. Here comes the list.
(???)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) (Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(???)
(???) This one - the most recent bug about the Gopher protocol - is pretty
(???) dangerous. It is about removing the user interface for Gopher proxy
(???) settings. Even worse, the last suggestion is: "let's keep it until we
(???) completely remove Gopher support". IMHO, someone should definitely
(???) defend the presence of Gopher in Mozilla codebase. Add yourself in the
(???) CC list (don't vote for this one! ;), protest, do something... I was
(???) about to do so, but I'm an eternal newbie and anything but a code wizard
(???) so I think other people on this mailing list could do that much better
(???) than me. It would be really stupid if the recently corrected Gopher
(???) support was abandoned :(
(???)
(???)
(???) Well, here follow some other gopher related bugs filed in Mozilla's
(???) bugzilla. Fortunately, their goal is to enhance Gopher support, not to
(???) suppress it. All in all, there are not so many bugs for gopher, but
(???) unfortunately, these bugs do not have many votes either. So my humble
(???) suggestion is that you visit and vote for those who seem important to
(???) you. Creating an account on bugzilla is easy and you won't get any spam
(???) because of the comments you might leave, so go on.
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194220
(???) (Bug 194220 -- [meta] gopher)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) (implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(???)
(???) This one deserves a remark. I've spent a lot of time since the last week
(???) to find gopher sites for the gopher category of dmoz. When I landed on
(???) gopher://gopher.hal3000.cx I tried the search engines. Unfortunately, no
(???) matter what the query was, I was taken to the homepage of the gopher
(???) each time I pressed Enter. I ended up thinking that this was another
(???) unmaintained server. To be completely sure, I wrote a mail to Chris, and
(???) then thanks to his explanations I discovered that this was a problem
(???) with Firefox and the way it handles ports (Lynx works fine for
(???) instance). Hence, a call to all gophermasters: as long as this bug is
(???) not corrected, IMHO all gopher search engines should stick with port 70,
(???) simply because Firefox is the browser newbies like me who land on
(???) gopherspace will be most likely using, let alone the fact that it's
(???) recommended on many gopher sites. Be newbie friendly, copy floodgap,
(???) stick with port 70 whenever possible, and vote for this bug please.
(???)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83881
(???) (gopher: preference to shut off sorting)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) (most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) (wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) (Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) (GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???)
(???) Should this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) not sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(???)
(???) Finally, to have a look at all open gopher related bugs click on
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=gopher
(???) There are less than 20 including those already mentioned, so don't be
(???) afraid :)
(???)
(???) --
(???) Feel free to correct my English ;)
(???)
(???)
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(???) As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(IMG) agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
t's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) ulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???) And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(IMG) think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(GIF) opher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(GIF) ood sense to spawn external handlers.
(???) owever, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(SND) ink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) TP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) wiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(HTM) ave a secondary client.
(???) esides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) rankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(IMG) nternet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(IMG) f we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) he community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
s very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(SND) upport were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
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(???) As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(IMG) agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
t's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) ulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???) And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(IMG) think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(GIF) opher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(GIF) ood sense to spawn external handlers.
(???) owever, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(SND) ink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) TP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) wiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(HTM) ave a secondary client.
(???) esides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) rankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(IMG) nternet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(IMG) f we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) he community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
s very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(SND) upport were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
(???) -
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(???) ell, yes, I see your point and perhaps I am only thinking of "me"
(???) eing somewhat selfish and prefering to have external handlers, I dont like the kitchen sink approach but do understand that it's not for everyone.
(IMG) am getting frustrated though, this has been like this too long with moz, first they will fix it then not on and on...
(IMG) just don't use it anymore.
(???)
(???) Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
(???) > And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) > I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) > should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) > lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) > web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???)
(???) I think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(???) gopher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(???) good sense to spawn external handlers.
(???)
(???) However, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(???) sink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) FTP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) Swiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(???) have a secondary client.
(???)
(???) Besides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) frankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(???) Internet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(???)
(???) If we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) the community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
(???) is very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(???) support were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
(???)
(???) --
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(???) -- It's tradition, that makes it okay. -- Weird Al, "Weasel Stomping Day" -----
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(???) ell, yes, I see your point and perhaps I am only thinking of "me"
(???) eing somewhat selfish and prefering to have external handlers, I dont like the kitchen sink approach but do understand that it's not for everyone.
(IMG) am getting frustrated though, this has been like this too long with moz, first they will fix it then not on and on...
(IMG) just don't use it anymore.
(???)
(???) Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
(???) > And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) > I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) > should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) > lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) > web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???)
(???) I think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(???) gopher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(???) good sense to spawn external handlers.
(???)
(???) However, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(???) sink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) FTP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) Swiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(???) have a secondary client.
(???)
(???) Besides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) frankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(???) Internet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(???)
(???) If we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) the community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
(???) is very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(???) support were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
(???)
(???) --
(???) --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) -- It's tradition, that makes it okay. -- Weird Al, "Weasel Stomping Day" -----
(???)
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) Does anyone know how was Veronica-2 made?
(IMG) sure hope so, since I wrote it!
(???) as your question about how the programming was done, or how the archive
s constructed?
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Always proofreed you writing. ----------------------------------------------
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <032801c77d89$176e88e0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 12, 7 10:03:30 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) Does anyone know how was Veronica-2 made?
(IMG) sure hope so, since I wrote it!
(???) as your question about how the programming was done, or how the archive
s constructed?
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Always proofreed you writing. ----------------------------------------------
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(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:19:15 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <033301c77d8a$9dd09580$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 12, 7 10:14:25 pm"
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(???) And now I'm having trouble setting up the real gopher server under windows
(???) xp sp2. I'm using the KA9QNOS Gopher Server for jumjet. Maybe I'll try
(???) bucktooth, does it run under windows?
(IMG) 've never tried. I imagine it will work fine with cygwin, but it needs an
netd-like "thing" to hang it off of and I don't think there's anything like
(???) hat in vanilla Windows.
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - END OF WHINE. --------------------------------------------------------------
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(???) And now I'm having trouble setting up the real gopher server under windows
(???) xp sp2. I'm using the KA9QNOS Gopher Server for jumjet. Maybe I'll try
(???) bucktooth, does it run under windows?
(IMG) 've never tried. I imagine it will work fine with cygwin, but it needs an
netd-like "thing" to hang it off of and I don't think there's anything like
(???) hat in vanilla Windows.
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - END OF WHINE. --------------------------------------------------------------
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <035001c77d8d$aa291bb0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 12, 7 10:36:14 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) When I try to run 'perl configure' all I get is:
(???)
(???) Verifying /etc/services ... not found.
(???)
(???) Without /etc/services, your inetd won't know what port to run Bucktooth on.
(???) You *do* have inetd, don't you?
(???) h, I forgot that there's no configure.generic (there is for HTTPi). I'll
(HTM) ave to add that to the next version. It allows you to spit out a script
(???) nd then hook that up to your inetd or moral equivalent.
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - You cannot have a science without measurement. -- R. W. Hamming ------------
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <035001c77d8d$aa291bb0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 12, 7 10:36:14 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) When I try to run 'perl configure' all I get is:
(???)
(???) Verifying /etc/services ... not found.
(???)
(???) Without /etc/services, your inetd won't know what port to run Bucktooth on.
(???) You *do* have inetd, don't you?
(???) h, I forgot that there's no configure.generic (there is for HTTPi). I'll
(HTM) ave to add that to the next version. It allows you to spit out a script
(???) nd then hook that up to your inetd or moral equivalent.
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - You cannot have a science without measurement. -- R. W. Hamming ------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Apr 13 07:57:34 2007
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:56:23 -0500 (CDT)
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(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <035701c77d8f$2a16c880$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 12, 7 10:46:58 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) What should I do about it? I'm running it under freshly updated cygwin
(???) (updated today).
(???) ou could make a bogus /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf (it just checks
(???) hat they exist). I haven't run it under cygwin myself, but that should
(SND) atisfy the sanity checks. Alternatively, change
(???) DEF_SERV = &wherecheck("Verifying /etc/services", "/etc/services", <<"EOF");
(???) o
(???) DEF_SERV = 1; $x = <<"EOF";
(???) nd do the same for $DEF_INCONF below it, in configure.inetd.
(IMG) f you've got cygwin, though, you could compile xinetd and use that.
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - California, land of cereal: some fruits, nuts, and a lot of flakes. --------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Fri Apr 13 07:57:40 2007
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:56:23 -0500 (CDT)
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(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <035701c77d8f$2a16c880$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 12, 7 10:46:58 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: RO
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 30
(???) What should I do about it? I'm running it under freshly updated cygwin
(???) (updated today).
(???) ou could make a bogus /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf (it just checks
(???) hat they exist). I haven't run it under cygwin myself, but that should
(SND) atisfy the sanity checks. Alternatively, change
(???) DEF_SERV = &wherecheck("Verifying /etc/services", "/etc/services", <<"EOF");
(???) o
(???) DEF_SERV = 1; $x = <<"EOF";
(???) nd do the same for $DEF_INCONF below it, in configure.inetd.
(IMG) f you've got cygwin, though, you could compile xinetd and use that.
(???) -
(???) ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - California, land of cereal: some fruits, nuts, and a lot of flakes. --------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sat Apr 14 07:27:06 2007
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(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:24:38 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704140524.l3E5OZSC013382@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <000d01c77e3b$6f7690c0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 13, 7 07:20:08 pm"
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(???) -list: gopher
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
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(???) I did that and got the configure script to complete and now bucktooth is
(???) installed! But now i'm having trouble putting it into the /etc/inetd.conf
(???) file (from xinetd). What information should I put in inetd.conf?
(IMG) f you have an /etc/inetd.conf, why not just let it forge the info in there
(???) or you then?
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - In memory of Bruce Geller --------------------------------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sat Apr 14 07:26:59 2007
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(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:24:38 -0500 (CDT)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <000d01c77e3b$6f7690c0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 13, 7 07:20:08 pm"
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(???) I did that and got the configure script to complete and now bucktooth is
(???) installed! But now i'm having trouble putting it into the /etc/inetd.conf
(???) file (from xinetd). What information should I put in inetd.conf?
(IMG) f you have an /etc/inetd.conf, why not just let it forge the info in there
(???) or you then?
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(???) - In memory of Bruce Geller --------------------------------------------------
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(???) ow about a port to WIndows? The Windows platform has never had a Gopher search engine (or crawler) of any sort, so JumpJet for example is unable to index itself.
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???)
(???) i all,
(IMG) hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) irst I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) thanks Benn btw)
(IMG) would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(HTM) ttp://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(IMG) t is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) ersonally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) e was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(IMG) t was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) istorically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) fter all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(TN3) o my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) s it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(TN3) hanks Jonzy!
(TN3) hanks Mr Stallman!
(???) eronica is next?
(???) erhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???) appy Gophering!
(???) rintz
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(???) oin FSF as an Associate Member at:
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(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) ow about a port to WIndows? The Windows platform has never had a Gopher search engine (or crawler) of any sort, so JumpJet for example is unable to index itself.
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???)
(???) i all,
(IMG) hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) irst I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) thanks Benn btw)
(IMG) would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(HTM) ttp://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(IMG) t is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) ersonally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) e was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(IMG) t was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) istorically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) fter all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(TN3) o my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) s it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(TN3) hanks Jonzy!
(TN3) hanks Mr Stallman!
(???) eronica is next?
(???) erhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???) appy Gophering!
(???) rintz
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(???) -
(???) oin FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(IMG) have never had any luck with University Help Desks. If you talk about Gopher (or even Telnet or FTP), they either ignor you, or tell you that its a "legacy" system and they don't support it.
(???)
(???) enn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) On 09/04/07, Chris wrote:
(???)
(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL.
(???) This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(TN3) en or so months ago, I sent a letter to the University of Nevada
(???) omputing support department (or whatever their fancy marketing term
(???) or it is). I never got a reply.
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
(???) gopher://hal3000.cx
(???)
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(???)
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(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(IMG) have never had any luck with University Help Desks. If you talk about Gopher (or even Telnet or FTP), they either ignor you, or tell you that its a "legacy" system and they don't support it.
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(???) enn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) On 09/04/07, Chris wrote:
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(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL.
(???) This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(TN3) en or so months ago, I sent a letter to the University of Nevada
(???) omputing support department (or whatever their fancy marketing term
(???) or it is). I never got a reply.
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
(???) gopher://hal3000.cx
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(IMG) n my surfing I have noticed that not all Gopher Server Administrators are mapping all Item Types in their servers. Every file extension on their server should be EXPLICITLY mapped to an Item Type. Below are the standard Item Types understood by most Gopher Clients:
(???)
(???) 0 Plain text file
(DIR) Directory
(PHO) Search CSO server (i.e. a qi/ph index)
(HEX) BinHex-format file (i.e. a *.HQX file)
(ARC) Binary archive file (i.e. a *.ZIP file)
(UUE) UUencoded-format file
(QRY) Search server (i.e. a WAIS index)
(TEL) Telnet as any kind of terminal other than TN3270
(BIN) Binary file (i.e. a *.EXE file)
(GIF) GIF-format image file
(HTM) HTML file
(IMG) Any kind of image file other than GIF (i.e. a *.JPG file)
Informational text that is displayed (as if it was a normal file
(???) name), but does not NECESSARILY link to any actual file.
(SND) Any kind of sound file (i.e. a *.WAV file)
(TN3) Telnet as a TN3270 terminal
(???)
(???)
(???) A concientious administrator should also include a listing of what they have mapped on their server. For example, in the "Contact.txt" file ( gopher://home.jumpjet.info/00\Contact.txt ), JumpJet lists the following:
(???)
(???) JumpJet is using the following specified "Type" extension mappings:
(???) Type 0 = DOC, RTF, TXT (also none or un-specified extensions)
(???) Type 4 = HQX, SEA
(???) Type 5 = ARC, GZ, LHA, LZH, RAR, TAR, TGZ, Z, ZIP
(???) Type 6 = UUE
(???) Type 7 = SRC
(???) Type 9 = COM, DLL, EXE, MOV, PDF
(???) Type g = GIF
(???) Type h = HTM, HTML
(???) Type I = BMP, JPG
(???) Type s = AU, MP3, WAV
(TN3) wo special "Type" extensions are also being maped:
(???) Type 1 = "directory"
(???) Type i = "information"
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) (GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???) Should this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) not sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(IMG) t's for sites that mistakenly offer itemtype 0 for what really should be
temtype 9, just like someone offering a .zip file with MIME text/plain. I
(???) hink this should be fixed on the server and not the client.
(???)
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(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(IMG) n my surfing I have noticed that not all Gopher Server Administrators are mapping all Item Types in their servers. Every file extension on their server should be EXPLICITLY mapped to an Item Type. Below are the standard Item Types understood by most Gopher Clients:
(???)
(???) 0 Plain text file
(DIR) Directory
(PHO) Search CSO server (i.e. a qi/ph index)
(HEX) BinHex-format file (i.e. a *.HQX file)
(ARC) Binary archive file (i.e. a *.ZIP file)
(UUE) UUencoded-format file
(QRY) Search server (i.e. a WAIS index)
(TEL) Telnet as any kind of terminal other than TN3270
(BIN) Binary file (i.e. a *.EXE file)
(GIF) GIF-format image file
(HTM) HTML file
(IMG) Any kind of image file other than GIF (i.e. a *.JPG file)
Informational text that is displayed (as if it was a normal file
(???) name), but does not NECESSARILY link to any actual file.
(SND) Any kind of sound file (i.e. a *.WAV file)
(TN3) Telnet as a TN3270 terminal
(???)
(???)
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(???)
(???) JumpJet is using the following specified "Type" extension mappings:
(???) Type 0 = DOC, RTF, TXT (also none or un-specified extensions)
(???) Type 4 = HQX, SEA
(???) Type 5 = ARC, GZ, LHA, LZH, RAR, TAR, TGZ, Z, ZIP
(???) Type 6 = UUE
(???) Type 7 = SRC
(???) Type 9 = COM, DLL, EXE, MOV, PDF
(???) Type g = GIF
(???) Type h = HTM, HTML
(???) Type I = BMP, JPG
(???) Type s = AU, MP3, WAV
(TN3) wo special "Type" extensions are also being maped:
(???) Type 1 = "directory"
(???) Type i = "information"
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???)
(???) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284558
(???) (GOPHER protocol support needs improvement (Save as "binary"))
(???) Should this bug be reopened? I tried with .zip files at JumpJet, but I'm
(???) not sure I did exactly what the bug report explains.
(IMG) t's for sites that mistakenly offer itemtype 0 for what really should be
temtype 9, just like someone offering a .zip file with MIME text/plain. I
(???) hink this should be fixed on the server and not the client.
(???)
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(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) ou are using the WRONG SERVER. Never, Ever, run "PURE DOS" Servers under Windows (ANY version of WIndows; from Windows 1.0 thru Vista)!
(???)
(???) Windows XP is based on the Windows NT code. You need to run a Windows NT code based Server. I suggest "GopherS" (file name "GSI386.ZIP"), as it is extremely easy to install and configure. You can get it from here:
(???) gopher://home.jumpjet.info/11\Begin_Here\Servers\Windows%20NT\GopherS
(???)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > And now I'm having trouble setting up the real gopher server under windows
(???) xp sp2. I'm using the KA9QNOS Gopher Server for jumjet. Maybe I'll try
(???) bucktooth, does it run under windows?
(IMG) 've never tried. I imagine it will work fine with cygwin, but it needs an
netd-like "thing" to hang it off of and I don't think there's anything like
(???) hat in vanilla Windows.
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(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) ou are using the WRONG SERVER. Never, Ever, run "PURE DOS" Servers under Windows (ANY version of WIndows; from Windows 1.0 thru Vista)!
(???)
(???) Windows XP is based on the Windows NT code. You need to run a Windows NT code based Server. I suggest "GopherS" (file name "GSI386.ZIP"), as it is extremely easy to install and configure. You can get it from here:
(???) gopher://home.jumpjet.info/11\Begin_Here\Servers\Windows%20NT\GopherS
(???)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > And now I'm having trouble setting up the real gopher server under windows
(???) xp sp2. I'm using the KA9QNOS Gopher Server for jumjet. Maybe I'll try
(???) bucktooth, does it run under windows?
(IMG) 've never tried. I imagine it will work fine with cygwin, but it needs an
netd-like "thing" to hang it off of and I don't think there's anything like
(???) hat in vanilla Windows.
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(???) - END OF WHINE. --------------------------------------------------------------
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(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <002a01c77eae$f53acff0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 14, 7 09:07:04 am"
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(???) How will it do that?
(???) ell, let me ask this: is it detecting that you're "running as root"? If so,
t will offer you the chance to let it modify your /etc/services and
(???) etc/inetd.conf for you by appending the proper line(s).
(IMG) f you want to do it manually, something like this would be fine for both
netd and xinetd (in inetd compatibility mode), substituting youruid for
(???) hatever cygwin wants to run it as and the right path to the file. I don't
(HTM) ave very much experience with cygwin at all, so please let me know the
(???) ine that works.
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(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
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(???) How will it do that?
(???) ell, let me ask this: is it detecting that you're "running as root"? If so,
t will offer you the chance to let it modify your /etc/services and
(???) etc/inetd.conf for you by appending the proper line(s).
(IMG) f you want to do it manually, something like this would be fine for both
netd and xinetd (in inetd compatibility mode), substituting youruid for
(???) hatever cygwin wants to run it as and the right path to the file. I don't
(HTM) ave very much experience with cygwin at all, so please let me know the
(???) ine that works.
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(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
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(???) - TRUE HEADLINE: Prostitutes Appeal to Pope ----------------------------------
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(IMG) disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
(???)
(???) In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
(???)
(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
(???)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(IMG) agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
t's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) ulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
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(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(IMG) disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
(???)
(???) In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
(???)
(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
(???)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(IMG) agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
t's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) ulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) umpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) In my surfing I have noticed that not all Gopher Server Administrators
(???) > are mapping all Item Types in their servers. Every file extension on
(???) > their server should be EXPLICITLY mapped to an Item Type. Below are
(???) > the standard Item Types understood by most Gopher Clients:
(???) snip]
(???) A concientious administrator should also include a listing of what they
(???) > have mapped on their server.
(???) ot all file systems make consistent (or indeed any) use of extensions.
(???) Take, for example, HFS from Mac, UFS or Ext2 from Unix/Linux based
(SND) ystems. Those file systems are completely agnostic to file extensions;
(???) hey don't mean anything to anyone except the operator or user. The
(SND) ame is true with most URLs. Extensions don't matter. What gets spit
(???) ut isn't always the same format as the input. (-:
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(???) isit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
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(???) umpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) In my surfing I have noticed that not all Gopher Server Administrators
(???) > are mapping all Item Types in their servers. Every file extension on
(???) > their server should be EXPLICITLY mapped to an Item Type. Below are
(???) > the standard Item Types understood by most Gopher Clients:
(???) snip]
(???) A concientious administrator should also include a listing of what they
(???) > have mapped on their server.
(???) ot all file systems make consistent (or indeed any) use of extensions.
(???) Take, for example, HFS from Mac, UFS or Ext2 from Unix/Linux based
(SND) ystems. Those file systems are completely agnostic to file extensions;
(???) hey don't mean anything to anyone except the operator or user. The
(SND) ame is true with most URLs. Extensions don't matter. What gets spit
(???) ut isn't always the same format as the input. (-:
(???) -
(???) aron J. Angel. You know, That One Guy! <thatoneguy@aaronjangel.us>
(???) isit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
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(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the
(???) software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy
(???) Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS
(???) the best port for a Veronica???
(IMG) understand your reasoning, but part of my goals with the Floodgap gopher
s historical and 2347 was the historical port.
(???) owever, practically speaking, you're quite correct and I'm certainly not
(GIF) oing to take V-2 *off* the main port. I'm just going to erect an
nterface on 2347 that will send it queries too, but the main V-2 will
(???) lways be accessible on 70.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the
(???) software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy
(???) Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS
(???) the best port for a Veronica???
(IMG) understand your reasoning, but part of my goals with the Floodgap gopher
s historical and 2347 was the historical port.
(???) owever, practically speaking, you're quite correct and I'm certainly not
(GIF) oing to take V-2 *off* the main port. I'm just going to erect an
nterface on 2347 that will send it queries too, but the main V-2 will
(???) lways be accessible on 70.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
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(???) indows machines can easily tag Item Type mappings through file "extensions"; and so it is the Windows Server Operators duty to make sure that the appropriate extension is matched to the appropriate file type (i.e., he better not put ".TXT" as the extention of a Binary File). Other operating systems use other methods to map files to appropriate Item Types. But whether an OS uses extensions or not, is not the point I'm trying to make.
(???) hat is important is that the Server maps the "Item Type" to APPROPRIATE files SOMEHOW. HOW the Server or the Server Administrator does it is not the issue. If, for example, I attempt to download a Binary File, it should not be mapped as a Text File (or my Client will try to open a text reader rather than a download box).
(???)
(???) The beauty of Gopher, and why it makes surfing easier than with other Protocols, is that a Client can be "dumb". A Client doesn't have to worry about either "extensions" or "MIME" or anything else; because the Server will (should) take care of dealing with it for the Client.
(???)
(???) "Aaron J. Angel" <thatoneguy@aaronjangel.us> wrote:
(???) JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) In my surfing I have noticed that not all Gopher Server Administrators
(???) are mapping all Item Types in their servers. Every file extension on
(???) their server should be EXPLICITLY mapped to an Item Type. Below are
(???) the standard Item Types understood by most Gopher Clients:
(???) snip]
(???) A concientious administrator should also include a listing of what they
(???) have mapped on their server.
(???) ot all file systems make consistent (or indeed any) use of extensions.
(TN3) ake, for example, HFS from Mac, UFS or Ext2 from Unix/Linux based
(SND) ystems. Those file systems are completely agnostic to file extensions;
(???) hey don't mean anything to anyone except the operator or user. The
(SND) ame is true with most URLs. Extensions don't matter. What gets spit
(???) ut isn't always the same format as the input. (-:
(???) -
(???) aron J. Angel. You know, That One Guy!
(???) isit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
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(???) indows machines can easily tag Item Type mappings through file "extensions"; and so it is the Windows Server Operators duty to make sure that the appropriate extension is matched to the appropriate file type (i.e., he better not put ".TXT" as the extention of a Binary File). Other operating systems use other methods to map files to appropriate Item Types. But whether an OS uses extensions or not, is not the point I'm trying to make.
(???) hat is important is that the Server maps the "Item Type" to APPROPRIATE files SOMEHOW. HOW the Server or the Server Administrator does it is not the issue. If, for example, I attempt to download a Binary File, it should not be mapped as a Text File (or my Client will try to open a text reader rather than a download box).
(???)
(???) The beauty of Gopher, and why it makes surfing easier than with other Protocols, is that a Client can be "dumb". A Client doesn't have to worry about either "extensions" or "MIME" or anything else; because the Server will (should) take care of dealing with it for the Client.
(???)
(???) "Aaron J. Angel" <thatoneguy@aaronjangel.us> wrote:
(???) JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) In my surfing I have noticed that not all Gopher Server Administrators
(???) are mapping all Item Types in their servers. Every file extension on
(???) their server should be EXPLICITLY mapped to an Item Type. Below are
(???) the standard Item Types understood by most Gopher Clients:
(???) snip]
(???) A concientious administrator should also include a listing of what they
(???) have mapped on their server.
(???) ot all file systems make consistent (or indeed any) use of extensions.
(TN3) ake, for example, HFS from Mac, UFS or Ext2 from Unix/Linux based
(SND) ystems. Those file systems are completely agnostic to file extensions;
(???) hey don't mean anything to anyone except the operator or user. The
(SND) ame is true with most URLs. Extensions don't matter. What gets spit
(???) ut isn't always the same format as the input. (-:
(???) -
(???) aron J. Angel. You know, That One Guy!
(???) isit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
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(IMG) nteresting thought. I can see from a historical perspective why you would want to do this.
(???)
(???) But tell me, Why "historical"? You make it sound like Gopher is something that belongs on a dusty shelf in a museum. Isn't Gopher a LIVING protocol? Shouldn't we always be thinking of Gopher as a Modern, Useful, Current, Active, piece of the great Internet network; and therefore always trying to make Gopher Better, Healthier, and more Relavant to today?
(???)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the
(???) software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy
(???) Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS
(???) the best port for a Veronica???
(IMG) understand your reasoning, but part of my goals with the Floodgap gopher
s historical and 2347 was the historical port.
(???) owever, practically speaking, you're quite correct and I'm certainly not
(GIF) oing to take V-2 *off* the main port. I'm just going to erect an
nterface on 2347 that will send it queries too, but the main V-2 will
(???) lways be accessible on 70.
(???) -
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(IMG) nteresting thought. I can see from a historical perspective why you would want to do this.
(???)
(???) But tell me, Why "historical"? You make it sound like Gopher is something that belongs on a dusty shelf in a museum. Isn't Gopher a LIVING protocol? Shouldn't we always be thinking of Gopher as a Modern, Useful, Current, Active, piece of the great Internet network; and therefore always trying to make Gopher Better, Healthier, and more Relavant to today?
(???)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the
(???) software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy
(???) Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS
(???) the best port for a Veronica???
(IMG) understand your reasoning, but part of my goals with the Floodgap gopher
s historical and 2347 was the historical port.
(???) owever, practically speaking, you're quite correct and I'm certainly not
(GIF) oing to take V-2 *off* the main port. I'm just going to erect an
nterface on 2347 that will send it queries too, but the main V-2 will
(???) lways be accessible on 70.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) ameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -- G. Marx -
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) umpJet uses Windows 2000 (see: gopher://home.jumpjet.info/00\Contact.txt ). For the reason it uses Windows 2000 over other versions of Windows, see:
(???) gopher://home.jumpjet.info/00\Win2k_Hosting\Why%20Windows%202000.txt
(???)
(???) ric Newberry <ericnewberry@mirametrics.com> wrote:
(???) You use windows too! What version? I use XP sp2.
(???) ric
(???) ---- Original Message -----
(???) rom: "JumpJet Mailbox"
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(???) ent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:22 PM
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Jugtail formerly Jughead
(???) How about a port to WIndows? The Windows platform has never had a Gopher
(???) search engine (or crawler) of any sort, so JumpJet for example is unable
(???) to index itself.
(???)
(???) Chris wrote:
(???)
(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing
(???) already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few
(???) others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark
(???) issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04
(???) when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to
(???) do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few
(???) questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from
(???) Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect
(???) to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and
(???) forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat
(???) if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under
(???) the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came
(???) close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search
(???) engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few
(???) next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that
(???) emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two
(???) people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs
(???) and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by
(???) people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my
(???) only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?").
(???) And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged
(???) from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get
(???) it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all
(???) the wonderful old software we collect.
(???)
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
(???) gopher://hal3000.cx
(???)
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(???) umpJet uses Windows 2000 (see: gopher://home.jumpjet.info/00\Contact.txt ). For the reason it uses Windows 2000 over other versions of Windows, see:
(???) gopher://home.jumpjet.info/00\Win2k_Hosting\Why%20Windows%202000.txt
(???)
(???) ric Newberry <ericnewberry@mirametrics.com> wrote:
(???) You use windows too! What version? I use XP sp2.
(???) ric
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Jugtail formerly Jughead
(???) How about a port to WIndows? The Windows platform has never had a Gopher
(???) search engine (or crawler) of any sort, so JumpJet for example is unable
(???) to index itself.
(???)
(???) Chris wrote:
(???)
(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing
(???) already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few
(???) others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark
(???) issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04
(???) when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to
(???) do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few
(???) questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from
(???) Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect
(???) to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and
(???) forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat
(???) if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under
(???) the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came
(???) close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search
(???) engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few
(???) next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that
(???) emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two
(???) people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs
(???) and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by
(???) people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my
(???) only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?").
(???) And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged
(???) from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get
(???) it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all
(???) the wonderful old software we collect.
(???)
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
(???) gopher://hal3000.cx
(???)
(???) --
(???) Join FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
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(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(IMG) f you need a basic Gopher handler (Client), there are several available to Web users at:
(???) http://home.jumpjet.info/metalrat/6/clients.htm
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) Well, yes, I see your point and perhaps I am only thinking of "me"
(???) eing somewhat selfish and prefering to have external handlers, I dont like the kitchen sink approach but do understand that it's not for everyone.
(IMG) am getting frustrated though, this has been like this too long with moz, first they will fix it then not on and on...
(IMG) just don't use it anymore.
(???)
(???) Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) ameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
(???) > And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) > I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) > should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) > lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) > web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???)
(???) I think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(???) gopher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(???) good sense to spawn external handlers.
(???)
(???) However, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(???) sink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) FTP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) Swiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(???) have a secondary client.
(???)
(???) Besides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) frankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(???) Internet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(???)
(???) If we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) the community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
(???) is very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(???) support were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
(???)
(???) --
(???) --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) -- It's tradition, that makes it okay. -- Weird Al, "Weasel Stomping Day" -----
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???)
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(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(IMG) f you need a basic Gopher handler (Client), there are several available to Web users at:
(???) http://home.jumpjet.info/metalrat/6/clients.htm
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) Well, yes, I see your point and perhaps I am only thinking of "me"
(???) eing somewhat selfish and prefering to have external handlers, I dont like the kitchen sink approach but do understand that it's not for everyone.
(IMG) am getting frustrated though, this has been like this too long with moz, first they will fix it then not on and on...
(IMG) just don't use it anymore.
(???)
(???) Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) ameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
(???) > And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) > I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) > should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) > lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) > web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???)
(???) I think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(???) gopher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(???) good sense to spawn external handlers.
(???)
(???) However, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(???) sink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) FTP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) Swiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(???) have a secondary client.
(???)
(???) Besides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) frankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(???) Internet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(???)
(???) If we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) the community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
(???) is very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(???) support were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
(???)
(???) --
(???) --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) -- It's tradition, that makes it okay. -- Weird Al, "Weasel Stomping Day" -----
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) oin FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
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(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704150155.l3F1t3xx010754@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <895893.53997.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from JumpJet Mailbox at "Apr 14, 7 05:41:36 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:55:07 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1553
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:55:15 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Mozilla bugs about Gopher, and a dangerous one
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 57
(???) But tell me, Why "historical"? You make it sound like Gopher is
(???) something that belongs on a dusty shelf in a museum. Isn't Gopher a
(???) LIVING protocol? Shouldn't we always be thinking of Gopher as a Modern,
(???) Useful, Current, Active, piece of the great Internet network; and therefore
(???) always trying to make Gopher Better, Healthier, and more Relavant to today?
(???) ure, but as a bridge to the past, I think it would be fun to also cover the
(SND) ervice on the old port number like the old Veronicas did, just with the
(???) ew database.
(???) ote that essentially we're on the same page here, or I wouldn't be writing
(???) new* Gopher software! :)
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working if you open windows.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 15 03:57:17 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:57:17 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:55:08 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704150155.l3F1t3xx010754@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <895893.53997.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from JumpJet Mailbox at "Apr 14, 7 05:41:36 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:55:07 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1553
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:55:15 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Mozilla bugs about Gopher, and a dangerous one
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 58
(???) But tell me, Why "historical"? You make it sound like Gopher is
(???) something that belongs on a dusty shelf in a museum. Isn't Gopher a
(???) LIVING protocol? Shouldn't we always be thinking of Gopher as a Modern,
(???) Useful, Current, Active, piece of the great Internet network; and therefore
(???) always trying to make Gopher Better, Healthier, and more Relavant to today?
(???) ure, but as a bridge to the past, I think it would be fun to also cover the
(SND) ervice on the old port number like the old Veronicas did, just with the
(???) ew database.
(???) ote that essentially we're on the same page here, or I wouldn't be writing
(???) new* Gopher software! :)
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working if you open windows.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 15 03:59:38 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:59:38 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:17 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704150156.l3F1uDXB009500@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <008201c77ef5$957cf470$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 14, 7 05:32:38 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:56:13 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
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(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:16 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1554
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:24 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 59
(???) I added it and restarted cygwin but all I get is the 'page not found' page
(???) in my web browser.
(???) hat happens when you telnet to port 70 on that machine? Is inetd/xinetd
(???) unning? Do you see them when you generate a process list?
(IMG) think I might need to get Windows running on Virtual PC and see if I can
(DOC) o it too.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Po-Ching Lives! ------------------------------------------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 15 03:59:45 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:59:45 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:17 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704150156.l3F1uDXB009500@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <008201c77ef5$957cf470$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 14, 7 05:32:38 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:56:13 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:16 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1554
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:24 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 60
(???) I added it and restarted cygwin but all I get is the 'page not found' page
(???) in my web browser.
(???) hat happens when you telnet to port 70 on that machine? Is inetd/xinetd
(???) unning? Do you see them when you generate a process list?
(IMG) think I might need to get Windows running on Virtual PC and see if I can
(DOC) o it too.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Po-Ching Lives! ------------------------------------------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 15 07:29:42 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:29:42 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:27:17 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704150527.l3F5RD4m008990@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <00b701c77f1c$012d3420$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 14, 7 10:07:39 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:27:13 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:27:17 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1556
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:27:25 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 61
(???) I can't telnet to my machine. When I try from bash:
(???)
(???) telnet
(???) open localhost 70
(???)
(???) All I get is 'server refused connection' from windows telnet and 'connection
(???) timed out' from linux telnet.
(???)
(???) How do I generate a process list? Do I type in 'ps'?
(???) hould be. What you're looking for is xinetd or inetd running.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - The pace of life isn't the problem. It's the sudden stop at the end. -------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 15 07:30:00 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:30:00 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:27:17 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704150527.l3F5RD4m008990@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <00b701c77f1c$012d3420$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 14, 7 10:07:39 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:27:13 -0700 (PDT)
(???) -Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)]
(???) IME-Version: 1.0
(???) ontent-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(???) ontent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:27:17 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1556
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
(???) eply-to: gopher@complete.org
(???) ist-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help>
(???) ist-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe>
(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:27:25 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 62
(???) I can't telnet to my machine. When I try from bash:
(???)
(???) telnet
(???) open localhost 70
(???)
(???) All I get is 'server refused connection' from windows telnet and 'connection
(???) timed out' from linux telnet.
(???)
(???) How do I generate a process list? Do I type in 'ps'?
(???) hould be. What you're looking for is xinetd or inetd running.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - The pace of life isn't the problem. It's the sudden stop at the end. -------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Sun Apr 15 17:55:17 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:55:17 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:53:18 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.163.179.125])
(???) eceived: (qmail 23274 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2007 15:53:10 -0000
(???) omainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
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(???) xcellent points. Preserving the past is just as important as looking to the future. And the two really should not be mutually exclusive.
(???)
(???) Besides, FUN is indeed important too. :)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > But tell me, Why "historical"? You make it sound like Gopher is
(???) something that belongs on a dusty shelf in a museum. Isn't Gopher a
(???) LIVING protocol? Shouldn't we always be thinking of Gopher as a Modern,
(???) Useful, Current, Active, piece of the great Internet network; and therefore
(???) always trying to make Gopher Better, Healthier, and more Relavant to today?
(???) ure, but as a bridge to the past, I think it would be fun to also cover the
(SND) ervice on the old port number like the old Veronicas did, just with the
(???) ew database.
(???) ote that essentially we're on the same page here, or I wouldn't be writing
(???) new* Gopher software! :)
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) ameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working if you open windows.
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) xcellent points. Preserving the past is just as important as looking to the future. And the two really should not be mutually exclusive.
(???)
(???) Besides, FUN is indeed important too. :)
(???) ameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > But tell me, Why "historical"? You make it sound like Gopher is
(???) something that belongs on a dusty shelf in a museum. Isn't Gopher a
(???) LIVING protocol? Shouldn't we always be thinking of Gopher as a Modern,
(???) Useful, Current, Active, piece of the great Internet network; and therefore
(???) always trying to make Gopher Better, Healthier, and more Relavant to today?
(???) ure, but as a bridge to the past, I think it would be fun to also cover the
(SND) ervice on the old port number like the old Veronicas did, just with the
(???) ew database.
(???) ote that essentially we're on the same page here, or I wouldn't be writing
(???) new* Gopher software! :)
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) ameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working if you open windows.
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) How do I get inetd or xinetd running?
(???) tart xinetd (after you've compiled it) with something like
(???) the & may not be necessary, it's been awhile since I worked with xinetd).
(???) ook in the process list to make sure it started. Send me the ps output
f you're not sure if it's running or not because I'm curious about how
(???) ygwin handles this.
(IMG) 'm not at the G5 right now, or I would have installed cygwin already to
(SND) ee if I could figure out an installation procedure.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - 1-GHz Pentium-III + Java + XSLT == 1-MHz 6502. -- Craig Bruce --------------
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) How do I get inetd or xinetd running?
(???) tart xinetd (after you've compiled it) with something like
(???) the & may not be necessary, it's been awhile since I worked with xinetd).
(???) ook in the process list to make sure it started. Send me the ps output
f you're not sure if it's running or not because I'm curious about how
(???) ygwin handles this.
(IMG) 'm not at the G5 right now, or I would have installed cygwin already to
(SND) ee if I could figure out an installation procedure.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - 1-GHz Pentium-III + Java + XSLT == 1-MHz 6502. -- Craig Bruce --------------
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
(???) Cygwin it gives you a binary version. Its installed in /etc/xinetd.conf.
(???) When I type in '/etc/xinetd.conf' it says:
(???)
(???) line 6: defaults: command not found
(???) line 8: instances: command not found
(???) line 9: log_type: command not found
(???) line 10: log_on_success: command not found
(???) line 11: log_on_failure: command not found
(???) line 12: cps: command not found
(???) line 15: includedir: command not found
(???)
(???) And them it just stays there without going back to bash. I have to type ^C
(???) in order to get to the shell. Then it says:
(???)
(???) [1]+ Exit 127 /etc/xinetd.conf
(???) o, no, no! That's the configuration file! There should be a file named
(???) just* xinetd. Try something like
(???) o see where.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Conceit causes more conversation than wit. -- LaRouchefoucauld -------------
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(???) Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
(???) Cygwin it gives you a binary version. Its installed in /etc/xinetd.conf.
(???) When I type in '/etc/xinetd.conf' it says:
(???)
(???) line 6: defaults: command not found
(???) line 8: instances: command not found
(???) line 9: log_type: command not found
(???) line 10: log_on_success: command not found
(???) line 11: log_on_failure: command not found
(???) line 12: cps: command not found
(???) line 15: includedir: command not found
(???)
(???) And them it just stays there without going back to bash. I have to type ^C
(???) in order to get to the shell. Then it says:
(???)
(???) [1]+ Exit 127 /etc/xinetd.conf
(???) o, no, no! That's the configuration file! There should be a file named
(???) just* xinetd. Try something like
(???) o see where.
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(???) How long should it take?
(???) ould be slow on a large hard disk. To speed it up, look at your path
(???) echo $PATH depending on your shell) and use those, i.e.,
(???) echo $PATH
(???) bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
(???) find /bin -name xinetd -print
(???) find /usr/bin -name xinetd -print
(???) r, just type "xinetd" in all by itself and see if THAT works. If it's
n one of your path directories already, then it should be executable. It
(???) ould still be very nice to know exactly where.
(IMG) 'm sure there's an easier way than this but I've never used cygwin and
(IMG) don't know how or where it installs things.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Good times, noodle salad. -- "As Good As It Gets" --------------------------
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(???) How long should it take?
(???) ould be slow on a large hard disk. To speed it up, look at your path
(???) echo $PATH depending on your shell) and use those, i.e.,
(???) echo $PATH
(???) bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
(???) find /bin -name xinetd -print
(???) find /usr/bin -name xinetd -print
(???) r, just type "xinetd" in all by itself and see if THAT works. If it's
n one of your path directories already, then it should be executable. It
(???) ould still be very nice to know exactly where.
(IMG) 'm sure there's an easier way than this but I've never used cygwin and
(IMG) don't know how or where it installs things.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Good times, noodle salad. -- "As Good As It Gets" --------------------------
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <014501c77f7c$e1ba8c80$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 09:41:08 am"
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(???) I found a file called xinetd-config in my /usr/bin directory. Should I run
(???) it?
(IMG) 'm not familiar with that one. Might be a setup wizard. You could try
(???) at'ing it and seeing if it's a shell script or something.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - It's not illogical to believe in God. --------------------------------------
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <014501c77f7c$e1ba8c80$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 09:41:08 am"
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(???) I found a file called xinetd-config in my /usr/bin directory. Should I run
(???) it?
(IMG) 'm not familiar with that one. Might be a setup wizard. You could try
(???) at'ing it and seeing if it's a shell script or something.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - It's not illogical to believe in God. --------------------------------------
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(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <015301c77f84$720cf190$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 10:35:17 am"
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(???) I ran it and it asked me 'Overwrite existing xinetd configuration file(s)?
(???) (yes/no)' and when I type yes it prints 'y' continuosly. If I type no it
(???) says 'Configuration finished. Have fun!'. Is there an ftp site I can get
(???) xinetd from?
(???) an you put it up somewhere so I can download it and look at it?
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Time makes more converts than reason. -- Thomas Payne ----------------------
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(???) I ran it and it asked me 'Overwrite existing xinetd configuration file(s)?
(???) (yes/no)' and when I type yes it prints 'y' continuosly. If I type no it
(???) says 'Configuration finished. Have fun!'. Is there an ftp site I can get
(???) xinetd from?
(???) an you put it up somewhere so I can download it and look at it?
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(???) Sure. It's at http://192.168.0.7/cygwin/xinetd-config. It may only work
(???) under cygwin though.
(???) nfortunately 192.168.*.* isn't an externally resolvable network. :-(
(IMG) 'm getting packed to go back to the apartment and when I get there, I'll
(???) ry to get cygwin running under Virtual PC.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
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(???) - To err is human -- to forgive is not company policy. -----------------------
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(???) Sure. It's at http://192.168.0.7/cygwin/xinetd-config. It may only work
(???) under cygwin though.
(???) nfortunately 192.168.*.* isn't an externally resolvable network. :-(
(IMG) 'm getting packed to go back to the apartment and when I get there, I'll
(???) ry to get cygwin running under Virtual PC.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - To err is human -- to forgive is not company policy. -----------------------
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(???) > > Sure. It's at http://192.168.0.7/cygwin/xinetd-config. It may only work
(???) > > under cygwin though.
(???) >
(???) > Unfortunately 192.168.*.* isn't an externally resolvable network. :-(
(???)
(???) What do you mean? I put it up there so you could download it.
(???) FC 1918 specifies certain networks as internal, i.e., not routable to the
(IMG) nternet-at-large. These networks are 10/24, 172.16/20 and 192.168/16. Thus,
(???) nything you put up on 192.168.0.7 is visible to your internal network,
(???) hich is presumably also 192.168.something.something, but not visible to the
(IMG) nternet because your direct upstream router shouldn't route these packets.
(???) urthermore, any request I make for them from *my* internal network won't
(GIF) et out to the Internet to even get near to your computer.
(TN3) he upshot is, you'll need to upload it to somewhere with an externally
(???) outable IP address.
(IMG) 'm back at the G5 but there is a problem on one of the boxes so I need to
(???) ix that first before I look into cygwin.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. -- Carl Sagan --------------
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(???) > > Sure. It's at http://192.168.0.7/cygwin/xinetd-config. It may only work
(???) > > under cygwin though.
(???) >
(???) > Unfortunately 192.168.*.* isn't an externally resolvable network. :-(
(???)
(???) What do you mean? I put it up there so you could download it.
(???) FC 1918 specifies certain networks as internal, i.e., not routable to the
(IMG) nternet-at-large. These networks are 10/24, 172.16/20 and 192.168/16. Thus,
(???) nything you put up on 192.168.0.7 is visible to your internal network,
(???) hich is presumably also 192.168.something.something, but not visible to the
(IMG) nternet because your direct upstream router shouldn't route these packets.
(???) urthermore, any request I make for them from *my* internal network won't
(GIF) et out to the Internet to even get near to your computer.
(TN3) he upshot is, you'll need to upload it to somewhere with an externally
(???) outable IP address.
(IMG) 'm back at the G5 but there is a problem on one of the boxes so I need to
(???) ix that first before I look into cygwin.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. -- Carl Sagan --------------
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(???) Now it's at http://www.azrockets.org/cygwin/xinetd-conf.
(IMG) get a 404 :(
(???) owever, I just finished installing cygwin on Virtual PC and if it's what
(IMG) think it is, that script will create your xinetd.d directory and xinetd.conf
(???) or you. xinetd should be in /usr/sbin (it is on mine), and you should just
(???) e able to run configure.xinetd as is. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't
(???) ork unless something went wrong with the cygwin install -- I did have to
(???) e-run the postinstall steps again because it went a little bonkers.
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(???) - Friends don't let friends use Windows. -------------------------------------
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(???) Now it's at http://www.azrockets.org/cygwin/xinetd-conf.
(IMG) get a 404 :(
(???) owever, I just finished installing cygwin on Virtual PC and if it's what
(IMG) think it is, that script will create your xinetd.d directory and xinetd.conf
(???) or you. xinetd should be in /usr/sbin (it is on mine), and you should just
(???) e able to run configure.xinetd as is. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't
(???) ork unless something went wrong with the cygwin install -- I did have to
(???) e-run the postinstall steps again because it went a little bonkers.
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(???) r lynks, links, GET, gopher, Opera + squid,
(???) oasaic, mmosaic, netscape 4.73, mozilla4, Older Curl's,
(???) tc... but my point was with firefox and hence Mozilla.
(???) hy would I use that browser when it doesnt follow the Gopher protocols and does not allow ports other than 70 to be viewed and further wrongly misdirects ports other than 70 back to 70?
(???) ot only for search engines but any gopherspace with a port other than 70, this is wrong and discouraging, thats why I dont use moz anymore.
(IMG) use a variety of other clients to browse gopherspace, either in line mode or from console or if I happen to be in a gui there too.
(???) hris
(???) n Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
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(???) Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) Well, yes, I see your point and perhaps I am only thinking of "me"
(???) being somewhat selfish and prefering to have external handlers, I dont like the kitchen sink approach but do understand that it's not for everyone.
(???) I am getting frustrated though, this has been like this too long with moz, first they will fix it then not on and on...
(???) I just don't use it anymore.
(???) C
(???)
(???)
(???) n Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???)
(???) > > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???) >
(???) > I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) > it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) > mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???) >
(???) > > And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) > > I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) > > should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) > > lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) > > web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???) >
(???) > I think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(???) > gopher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(???) > good sense to spawn external handlers.
(???) >
(???) > However, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(???) > sink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) > FTP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) > Swiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(???) > have a secondary client.
(???) >
(???) > Besides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) > frankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(???) > Internet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(???) >
(???) > If we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) > the community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
(???) > is very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(???) > support were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
(???) >
(???) > --
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(???) > -- It's tradition, that makes it okay. -- Weird Al, "Weasel Stomping Day" -----
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(???) tc... but my point was with firefox and hence Mozilla.
(???) hy would I use that browser when it doesnt follow the Gopher protocols and does not allow ports other than 70 to be viewed and further wrongly misdirects ports other than 70 back to 70?
(???) ot only for search engines but any gopherspace with a port other than 70, this is wrong and discouraging, thats why I dont use moz anymore.
(IMG) use a variety of other clients to browse gopherspace, either in line mode or from console or if I happen to be in a gui there too.
(???) hris
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(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) If you need a basic Gopher handler (Client), there are several available to Web users at:
(???) http://home.jumpjet.info/metalrat/6/clients.htm
(???)
(???) Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) Well, yes, I see your point and perhaps I am only thinking of "me"
(???) being somewhat selfish and prefering to have external handlers, I dont like the kitchen sink approach but do understand that it's not for everyone.
(???) I am getting frustrated though, this has been like this too long with moz, first they will fix it then not on and on...
(???) I just don't use it anymore.
(???) C
(???)
(???)
(???) n Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???)
(???) > > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???) >
(???) > I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) > it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) > mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???) >
(???) > > And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
(???) > > I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
(???) > > should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
(???) > > lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
(???) > > web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
(???) >
(???) > I think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
(???) > gopher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
(???) > good sense to spawn external handlers.
(???) >
(???) > However, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
(???) > sink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
(???) > FTP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
(???) > Swiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
(???) > have a secondary client.
(???) >
(???) > Besides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
(???) > frankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
(???) > Internet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
(???) >
(???) > If we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
(???) > the community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
(???) > is very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
(???) > support were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
(???) >
(???) > --
(???) > --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ ---
(???) > Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) > -- It's tradition, that makes it okay. -- Weird Al, "Weasel Stomping Day" -----
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
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(???) ctually Veronica is not dead, it's alive and well, right on the port it was intended to be on.
(IMG) t's port is quite appropriate for any millenium, any web browser which can't handle ports is frankly past broken. How Moz acts, with it redirecting the client to a different site while keeping the port looking as if it's where it should be is quite unacceptable.
(???) istorically speaking it is un-questionably proper as it is.
(???) or the new millenium, why would you not allow the ports be used as they always had?
(???) eronica-2 is very nice, and is a valid tool, just as is Veronica.
(???) hris
(???) n Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) I disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
(???)
(???) In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
(???)
(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
(???)
(???) Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
(???)
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(???) ctually Veronica is not dead, it's alive and well, right on the port it was intended to be on.
(IMG) t's port is quite appropriate for any millenium, any web browser which can't handle ports is frankly past broken. How Moz acts, with it redirecting the client to a different site while keeping the port looking as if it's where it should be is quite unacceptable.
(???) istorically speaking it is un-questionably proper as it is.
(???) or the new millenium, why would you not allow the ports be used as they always had?
(???) eronica-2 is very nice, and is a valid tool, just as is Veronica.
(???) hris
(???) n Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) I disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
(???)
(???) In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
(???)
(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
(???)
(???) Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
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(???) ell, it is indexed here under the Hal3000 Multi Gopher Search (active sites), however remeber the search engines not on port 80 ;)
(???) eeing that jugtail is now GPL'd you can feel free to port it to windows!
(???) n Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) How about a port to WIndows? The Windows platform has never had a Gopher search engine (or crawler) of any sort, so JumpJet for example is unable to index itself.
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(???) Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
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(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???)
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
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(???) ell, it is indexed here under the Hal3000 Multi Gopher Search (active sites), however remeber the search engines not on port 80 ;)
(???) eeing that jugtail is now GPL'd you can feel free to port it to windows!
(???) n Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) How about a port to WIndows? The Windows platform has never had a Gopher search engine (or crawler) of any sort, so JumpJet for example is unable to index itself.
(???)
(???) Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???)
(???) Hi all,
(???) I hope everyone had a great Easter.
(???) First I saw in the archives of emails at quux that what I am announcing already was by Benn Newman some time ago. I never saw it neither did a few others so, I'll mention it again.
(???) (thanks Benn btw)
(???)
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???)
(???) It is the GPL'd release of Jughead (name changed for existing trademark issues).
(???) Personally I, for many reasons, am quite happy to see this. Back in 04 when I was trying to use Jughead to do things it wasn't really designed to do I found Mr Jone's new email address. In addition to asking a few questions and sending him back his original email questionnaire from Jughead I mentioned maybe porting to FreeBSD and perhaps even GPL.
(???) He was suprised to find people still used gopher and surely didn't expect to get his questionnaire back so many years later :)
(???) It was a short time after that I had the pleasure of emailing back and forth a bit with RMS and metioned to him that I thought it would be neat if Jughead was a part of the group of GPL'd software.
(???) Historically important, made back when gopher was "it" and further under the license of The University of Utah, which isnt a free software but came close, involving Archie Comics as well, a large corporate entity.
(???) After all if one considered Archie, Jughead and Veronica, the search engine equivalents of the first stone wheels, then we ought to set a few next to a new Hoosier race tire yes? :)
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and jughead and all :)
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???)
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the wonderful old software we collect.
(???)
(???) Happy Gophering!
(???) Orintz
(???) gopher://hal3000.cx
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(???) Whoops! I mean http://www.azrockets.org/cygwin/xinetd-config
(TN3) hat's the one. Get into its directory and
(SND) hould work. After that, run configure.xinetd. You might as well run it as
(???) root" (when you get to that question); it doesn't much matter in cygwin.
(TN3) hen start up xinetd and it should just work(sm).
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(???) Whoops! I mean http://www.azrockets.org/cygwin/xinetd-config
(TN3) hat's the one. Get into its directory and
(SND) hould work. After that, run configure.xinetd. You might as well run it as
(???) root" (when you get to that question); it doesn't much matter in cygwin.
(TN3) hen start up xinetd and it should just work(sm).
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <020b01c77fda$dda7d3b0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 08:53:54 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) Everything but configure.xinetd worked. How do I run xinetd? I found a file
(???) called xinetd.exe in /usr/sbin.
(???) hat happened when you tried to run configure.xinetd? Did you run it as
(???) /usr/sbin/xinetd.exe is the correct file to start xinetd up, but do it
(???) FTER you have Bucktooth configured and installed.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Beware the Lollipop of Mediocrity: lick it once, and you suck forever! -----
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 16 05:59:54 2007
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
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(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
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(???) essage-Id: <200704160358.l3G3wMVU013168@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <020b01c77fda$dda7d3b0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 08:53:54 pm"
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
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(???) -UID: 90
(???) Everything but configure.xinetd worked. How do I run xinetd? I found a file
(???) called xinetd.exe in /usr/sbin.
(???) hat happened when you tried to run configure.xinetd? Did you run it as
(???) /usr/sbin/xinetd.exe is the correct file to start xinetd up, but do it
(???) FTER you have Bucktooth configured and installed.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Beware the Lollipop of Mediocrity: lick it once, and you suck forever! -----
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 16 06:11:02 2007
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:11:02 +0200
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(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:09:45 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704160409.l3G49hrC012428@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <021201c77fdc$987d9c50$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 09:06:17 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:09:45 -0500
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
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(???) -UID: 91
(???) Run it from where?
(???) inetd or configure.xinetd?
(???) or xinetd, just enter /usr/sbin/xinetd at any prompt, and it should start.
(???) ou will see it in the ps list.
(???) or configure.xinetd, you must be in whatever directory you decompressed
(???) he gunzipped Bucktooth tarchive to. Then,
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - FORTUNE: Today is an excellent day to have a totally rotten day. -----------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 16 06:11:16 2007
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:11:16 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:09:45 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704160409.l3G49hrC012428@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <021201c77fdc$987d9c50$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 09:06:17 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) -archive-position: 1582
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(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 92
(???) Run it from where?
(???) inetd or configure.xinetd?
(???) or xinetd, just enter /usr/sbin/xinetd at any prompt, and it should start.
(???) ou will see it in the ps list.
(???) or configure.xinetd, you must be in whatever directory you decompressed
(???) he gunzipped Bucktooth tarchive to. Then,
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - FORTUNE: Today is an excellent day to have a totally rotten day. -----------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 16 06:33:40 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:33:40 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:29:19 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704160429.l3G4THdt011260@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <022701c77fdd$bb9cbda0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 09:14:24 pm"
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:29:19 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1584
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:29:27 -0500
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(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 93
(???) Verifying /etc/xinetd.conf ... not found.
(???) o xinetd.conf?
(TN3) he xinetd-config should have created both an /etc/xinetd.d directory *and*
(???) n /etc/xinetd.conf file (it did on my Cygwin here). Try looking around
(???) or a xinetd.sh.done or xinetd.sh file and run that if you can't find either
(???) ne. I'm thinking your install was somehow incomplete and that's where the
(PNG) roblem lies.
(???) ou could also rerun setup.exe, make sure you can see obsolete and
(???) dministrative packages, and "install" or re-install the _postinstall
(PNG) seudopackage and see if that fixes it.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Greek tailor shop: "Euripedes?" "Yes -- Eumenides?" ------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 16 06:34:04 2007
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(???) -Spam-Level:
(???) -Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY
(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:34:04 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:29:19 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704160429.l3G4THdt011260@floodgap.com>
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <022701c77fdd$bb9cbda0$0700a8c0@MARS> from Eric Newberry at "Apr 15, 7 09:14:24 pm"
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:29:19 -0500
(???) -archive-position: 1584
(???) -ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: spectre@floodgap.com
(???) recedence: bulk
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:29:27 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
(???) -Keywords:
(???) -UID: 94
(???) Verifying /etc/xinetd.conf ... not found.
(???) o xinetd.conf?
(TN3) he xinetd-config should have created both an /etc/xinetd.d directory *and*
(???) n /etc/xinetd.conf file (it did on my Cygwin here). Try looking around
(???) or a xinetd.sh.done or xinetd.sh file and run that if you can't find either
(???) ne. I'm thinking your install was somehow incomplete and that's where the
(PNG) roblem lies.
(???) ou could also rerun setup.exe, make sure you can see obsolete and
(???) dministrative packages, and "install" or re-install the _postinstall
(PNG) seudopackage and see if that fixes it.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Greek tailor shop: "Euripedes?" "Yes -- Eumenides?" ------------------------
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 16 07:07:49 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
(???) -Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on web.telefisk.org
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:07:49 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:04:19 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704160504.l3G54G8C014386@floodgap.com>
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(???) I have both that file and that directory. I can't find the _postinstall
(???) package anywhere in the cygwin setup wizard.
(TN3) hen something is very wrong. I'll have to look at it later when I have
(???) little more time. Just so I know, what version of cygwin?
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. ------------------
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(???) I have both that file and that directory. I can't find the _postinstall
(???) package anywhere in the cygwin setup wizard.
(TN3) hen something is very wrong. I'll have to look at it later when I have
(???) little more time. Just so I know, what version of cygwin?
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. ------------------
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(???) n 4/11/07, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) > (Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(???)
(???) Wow, this sucks. Everyone get on this and complain. It's the slippery
(???) slope to removal. Thanks for pointing it out, and kudos to Aaron for
(???) jumping on it also.
(???) ell, I finally wrote a complaint. Hope this is going to calm down a
(???) ittle bit the will of the reporter to remove the UI for Gopher proxy
(SND) ettings.
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) > (implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(???)
(???) Voted. I'm not even sure why they did this that way.
(IMG) recently found this: gopher://sipb.mit.edu/1B:Internet%20whois%20servers
(TN3) he result with Mozilla derivatives is bad :(
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) > (most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(???)
(???) Voted. This looks like a good solution to implement.
(IMG) had a look to these gifs (C:\Program
(???) iles\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey\res\html under my Windows Millennium).
(TN3) hey're pretty nice. It would be nice if they were used, indeed.
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) > (wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(???)
(???) I think I agree with the naysayers on this one. Although it would be nice
(???) to just type in gopher.floodgap.com and not get helsinki's *web* server,
(???) I think this is a case where the solution will be worse than the problem for
(???) many users.
(???) robably. I had hesitated a lot, but when I saw that Lynx was doing
(???) his guess quite efficiently, I voted: how many websites begin with
(HTM) ttp://gopher... ? But anyway, this probably is not so important and
ndeed some newbies could whine if the bug was corrected.
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) > (Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(???)
(???) This is mine! Vote for it! Aaron's the only other communicator recently of
(???) note.
(???) oted :)
(???) > Feel free to correct my English ;)
(???)
(???) I'm sure it's better than me speaking your native language
(???) leh. I was expecting a comment like "oh, why do you say that? Your
(???) nglish is better than perfect ".
(???) -p
(???) (what is it, anyway?).
(???) mmm. Do you remember that you have a file in a foreign language
(???) ou'll put on floodgap in one of your next lives? ;)
(???) Thanks very much for posting these. I've got the relevant ones on my
(???) cc list now.
(IMG) think that given the opposition the bug will remain open for quite a
(???) hile. Since the assignee is also the reporter, I don't think he will
(???) asily accept a wontfix, but anyway, now he's under surveillance :)
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(???) n 4/11/07, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351748
(???) > (Remove UI for Gopher proxy settings)
(???)
(???) Wow, this sucks. Everyone get on this and complain. It's the slippery
(???) slope to removal. Thanks for pointing it out, and kudos to Aaron for
(???) jumping on it also.
(???) ell, I finally wrote a complaint. Hope this is going to calm down a
(???) ittle bit the will of the reporter to remove the UI for Gopher proxy
(SND) ettings.
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158888
(???) > (implement better handling for gopher on non default ports)
(???)
(???) Voted. I'm not even sure why they did this that way.
(IMG) recently found this: gopher://sipb.mit.edu/1B:Internet%20whois%20servers
(TN3) he result with Mozilla derivatives is bad :(
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273459
(???) > (most gopher-*.gif images are unused)
(???)
(???) Voted. This looks like a good solution to implement.
(IMG) had a look to these gifs (C:\Program
(???) iles\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey\res\html under my Windows Millennium).
(TN3) hey're pretty nice. It would be nice if they were used, indeed.
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202196
(???) > (wrong protocol for host names containing "gopher")
(???)
(???) I think I agree with the naysayers on this one. Although it would be nice
(???) to just type in gopher.floodgap.com and not get helsinki's *web* server,
(???) I think this is a case where the solution will be worse than the problem for
(???) many users.
(???) robably. I had hesitated a lot, but when I saw that Lynx was doing
(???) his guess quite efficiently, I voted: how many websites begin with
(HTM) ttp://gopher... ? But anyway, this probably is not so important and
ndeed some newbies could whine if the bug was corrected.
(???) > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326034
(???) > (Gopher module shouldn't try to interpret text into URLs)
(???)
(???) This is mine! Vote for it! Aaron's the only other communicator recently of
(???) note.
(???) oted :)
(???) > Feel free to correct my English ;)
(???)
(???) I'm sure it's better than me speaking your native language
(???) leh. I was expecting a comment like "oh, why do you say that? Your
(???) nglish is better than perfect ".
(???) -p
(???) (what is it, anyway?).
(???) mmm. Do you remember that you have a file in a foreign language
(???) ou'll put on floodgap in one of your next lives? ;)
(???) Thanks very much for posting these. I've got the relevant ones on my
(???) cc list now.
(IMG) think that given the opposition the bug will remain open for quite a
(???) hile. Since the assignee is also the reporter, I don't think he will
(???) asily accept a wontfix, but anyway, now he's under surveillance :)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 16 08:31:22 2007
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(???) n 4/10/07, Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???) ) Don't forget to add your sites if they're not already listed, and
(???) lso send me a copy via e-mail. Since the big crash, it's better to
(DOC) ouble check such things.
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that
(???) emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people
(???) I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and
(???) jughead and all :)
(TN3) his man is definitely crazy. When I had switched to Ubuntu I sent him
(???) mail telling something like "thanks to what you did I can use Linux
(???) oday. One more switcher. We need crazy guys like you, you must have
(???) een pretty alone when you started GNU but things changed a lot since.
(???) eep up the good work." All this with the result of vrms.
(TN3) wo days later, guess what, he replied!. He explained that even I was
(???) lose, I wasn't free yet (some proprietary packages in Ubuntu). He
(???) lso explained why it was more fair to use GNU/Linux instead of Linux
(???) I always write GNU/Linux since). All this just for a user he never
(HTM) eard about before, and all this in French!!! :)
(???) ell, right now I'm under Windows Millennium again (a printer driver
ssue, it killed synaptic and I'm a little bit lazy to reinstall &
(???) epartition the whole thing, but gonna do it one day).
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by
(???) people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my
(???) only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?").
(???) And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from
(???) being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???) nd thanks Chris!
(???) lso thanks for having posted the story of Jugtail. The problem is
(???) hat it gives ideas for Veronica and Archie as well...
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it
(???) under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the
(???) wonderful old software we collect.
(IMG) love the idea. If you have the mail of the coauthor of Veronica,
(???) aybe this could be a beginning. I googled a little bit but couldn't
(???) ind the mail of phone of Fred Barrie either. Also, what about Archie?
(???) ave a look at http://archie.icm.edu.pl/archie_eng.html ... Wikipedia
(???) ells that there's no archie left, maybe this one is the last of the
(???) ohicans. Unless...
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(???) n 4/10/07, Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on:
(???) http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/
(???) ) Don't forget to add your sites if they're not already listed, and
(???) lso send me a copy via e-mail. Since the big crash, it's better to
(DOC) ouble check such things.
(???) To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that
(???) emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people
(???) I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and
(???) jughead and all :)
(TN3) his man is definitely crazy. When I had switched to Ubuntu I sent him
(???) mail telling something like "thanks to what you did I can use Linux
(???) oday. One more switcher. We need crazy guys like you, you must have
(???) een pretty alone when you started GNU but things changed a lot since.
(???) eep up the good work." All this with the result of vrms.
(TN3) wo days later, guess what, he replied!. He explained that even I was
(???) lose, I wasn't free yet (some proprietary packages in Ubuntu). He
(???) lso explained why it was more fair to use GNU/Linux instead of Linux
(???) I always write GNU/Linux since). All this just for a user he never
(HTM) eard about before, and all this in French!!! :)
(???) ell, right now I'm under Windows Millennium again (a printer driver
ssue, it killed synaptic and I'm a little bit lazy to reinstall &
(???) epartition the whole thing, but gonna do it one day).
(???) As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by
(???) people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my
(???) only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?").
(???) And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from
(???) being lost. I think thats just great!
(???)
(???) Thanks Jonzy!
(???) Thanks Mr Stallman!
(???) nd thanks Chris!
(???) lso thanks for having posted the story of Jugtail. The problem is
(???) hat it gives ideas for Veronica and Archie as well...
(???) Veronica is next?
(???) Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it
(???) under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the
(???) wonderful old software we collect.
(IMG) love the idea. If you have the mail of the coauthor of Veronica,
(???) aybe this could be a beginning. I googled a little bit but couldn't
(???) ind the mail of phone of Fred Barrie either. Also, what about Archie?
(???) ave a look at http://archie.icm.edu.pl/archie_eng.html ... Wikipedia
(???) ells that there's no archie left, maybe this one is the last of the
(???) ohicans. Unless...
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(???) orry Chris, I wasn't alluding to "Local Veronica" (or V-2, or even Jughead), all of which are excellent tools. I should have been more clear in that I was refering to the no longer available non-local Gopherspace-wide Veronica, such as what was once run on the now defunct UMN Gopher. When I said "dead", I meant that the software is not running on Gopherspace, and therefore there was no need to make accomodations for it (and therefore as well, should it be brought back again, it also doesn't have to meet any pre-existing parameters).
(???)
(???) ==========
(???)
(???) I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot? Yes, I do understand that in regards to Ports, NONE of the Ports should be "off limits". If I want to run my HTTP server on Port 21 (the common FTP Port) instead of Port 80 (the common HTTP Port), my software should not prevent me.
(???)
(???) Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick to specific Ports. The biggest advantage is the ease in configuring FireWalls. By restricting the number of Ports open to the world (and it always mystified me why they made so many Ports anyways, 512, or even as little as 256, whould have probably been more than sufficient based on real-life Port useage statistics) Network Administrators can more easily detect and prevent abuse of their Network.
(???)
(???) Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP address.
(???)
(???) The standardization of Port numbers has been felt so important in fact, that when you speak of a Protocol, you typically assume a specific Port (HTTP = 80, FTP = 21, SMTP = 25, DNS = 53, etceteras). IANA even maintains a list of what they call "Well Known Port Numbers" : http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
(???)
(???) With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a hardship???
(???) Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol servers? (GN will let you serve the same content on two different Ports simultainiously, Port 70 and 80).
(???) Is it because a Legacy Server is already operating on a non-standard Port? (Contact the Servers Administrator and ask them to switch it onto Port 70).
(???)
(???) It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer (i.e., many Browsers such as older versions of Internet Explorer). However, even many of the older dedicated Gopher Clients could only view Gopher on Port 70 (test this for yourself by downloading and trying some of these older clients: gopher://home.jumpjet.info/11\Begin_Here\Clients ).
(???)
(???) With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70?? Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other than 70 (not that undue a burden, as persons operating, for example, a FTP server on a Port other than 21 also face the same issue in regards to limited Client choices for their patrons).
(???)
(???) So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70 such a burden?
(???)
(???) Yes, continue to hound Client / Browser software programmers to allow their software to operate on more than one Port (if only because the software SHOULD allow this flexability); but at the same time operate our handful of Internet Gopher Servers on just Port 70.
(???)
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???)
(???) ctually Veronica is not dead, it's alive and well, right on the port it was intended to be on.
(IMG) t's port is quite appropriate for any millenium, any web browser which can't handle ports is frankly past broken. How Moz acts, with it redirecting the client to a different site while keeping the port looking as if it's where it should be is quite unacceptable.
(???) istorically speaking it is un-questionably proper as it is.
(???) or the new millenium, why would you not allow the ports be used as they always had?
(???) eronica-2 is very nice, and is a valid tool, just as is Veronica.
(???) hris
(???) n Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) I disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
(???)
(???) In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
(???)
(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
(???)
(???) Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
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(???) orry Chris, I wasn't alluding to "Local Veronica" (or V-2, or even Jughead), all of which are excellent tools. I should have been more clear in that I was refering to the no longer available non-local Gopherspace-wide Veronica, such as what was once run on the now defunct UMN Gopher. When I said "dead", I meant that the software is not running on Gopherspace, and therefore there was no need to make accomodations for it (and therefore as well, should it be brought back again, it also doesn't have to meet any pre-existing parameters).
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(???)
(???) I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot? Yes, I do understand that in regards to Ports, NONE of the Ports should be "off limits". If I want to run my HTTP server on Port 21 (the common FTP Port) instead of Port 80 (the common HTTP Port), my software should not prevent me.
(???)
(???) Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick to specific Ports. The biggest advantage is the ease in configuring FireWalls. By restricting the number of Ports open to the world (and it always mystified me why they made so many Ports anyways, 512, or even as little as 256, whould have probably been more than sufficient based on real-life Port useage statistics) Network Administrators can more easily detect and prevent abuse of their Network.
(???)
(???) Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP address.
(???)
(???) The standardization of Port numbers has been felt so important in fact, that when you speak of a Protocol, you typically assume a specific Port (HTTP = 80, FTP = 21, SMTP = 25, DNS = 53, etceteras). IANA even maintains a list of what they call "Well Known Port Numbers" : http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
(???)
(???) With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a hardship???
(???) Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol servers? (GN will let you serve the same content on two different Ports simultainiously, Port 70 and 80).
(???) Is it because a Legacy Server is already operating on a non-standard Port? (Contact the Servers Administrator and ask them to switch it onto Port 70).
(???)
(???) It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer (i.e., many Browsers such as older versions of Internet Explorer). However, even many of the older dedicated Gopher Clients could only view Gopher on Port 70 (test this for yourself by downloading and trying some of these older clients: gopher://home.jumpjet.info/11\Begin_Here\Clients ).
(???)
(???) With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70?? Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other than 70 (not that undue a burden, as persons operating, for example, a FTP server on a Port other than 21 also face the same issue in regards to limited Client choices for their patrons).
(???)
(???) So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70 such a burden?
(???)
(???) Yes, continue to hound Client / Browser software programmers to allow their software to operate on more than one Port (if only because the software SHOULD allow this flexability); but at the same time operate our handful of Internet Gopher Servers on just Port 70.
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(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
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(???) ctually Veronica is not dead, it's alive and well, right on the port it was intended to be on.
(IMG) t's port is quite appropriate for any millenium, any web browser which can't handle ports is frankly past broken. How Moz acts, with it redirecting the client to a different site while keeping the port looking as if it's where it should be is quite unacceptable.
(???) istorically speaking it is un-questionably proper as it is.
(???) or the new millenium, why would you not allow the ports be used as they always had?
(???) eronica-2 is very nice, and is a valid tool, just as is Veronica.
(???) hris
(???) n Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) I disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
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(???) In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
(???)
(???) V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
(???)
(???) Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???)
(???) I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???)
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(???) umpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot?
(TN3) he simple answer is you can't run multiple Gopher servers on the same
(PNG) ort and IP address. Additionally, there are other services with which
(???) opher clients can interact that do not run on port 70. WHOIS and
(???) inger come immediately to mind.
(???) Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick
(???) to specific Ports.
(???) greed; which is why Mozilla can't finger or whois.
(???) Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or
(???) at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client
(???) / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of
(???) HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on
(???) Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't
(???) want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP
(???) address.
(TN3) hat's what links (or Gopher menus) are for. The main content is
(???) vailable from the main port. Port 8080 is used not because it is a
(???) standard", but because it is easy to remember. Users must always type
(???) hese non-standard ports into the address field, or otherwise link to it
(???) rom somewhere else.
(???) With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only
(???) about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a
(???) hardship??? Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol
(???) servers?
(???) ultiple Gopher servers on the same host (there's no such thing as
(???) opher VHost); perhaps security constraints (many ISPs block specific
(PNG) orts) prevents the Gopher operator from assuming root priviledges, or
(SND) imply doesn't want to.
(???) It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand
(???) Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This
(???) is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer
(???) ith Mozilla (Firefox), it was actually the opposite. The developers
(???) ctively block Gopher requests to ports other than 70 or rewrite URLs
(???) ithout notifying the user.
(???) With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a
(???) Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70??
(???) ometimes its not a choice.
(???) Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the
(???) Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of
(???) limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of
(???) the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other
(???) than 70
(TN3) he server operator shouldn't care about the infrastructure of its
(???) lients' networks. That's up to the client. (-:
(???) So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70
(???) such a burden?
(???) ee up.
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(???) isit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
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(???) umpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot?
(TN3) he simple answer is you can't run multiple Gopher servers on the same
(PNG) ort and IP address. Additionally, there are other services with which
(???) opher clients can interact that do not run on port 70. WHOIS and
(???) inger come immediately to mind.
(???) Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick
(???) to specific Ports.
(???) greed; which is why Mozilla can't finger or whois.
(???) Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or
(???) at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client
(???) / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of
(???) HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on
(???) Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't
(???) want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP
(???) address.
(TN3) hat's what links (or Gopher menus) are for. The main content is
(???) vailable from the main port. Port 8080 is used not because it is a
(???) standard", but because it is easy to remember. Users must always type
(???) hese non-standard ports into the address field, or otherwise link to it
(???) rom somewhere else.
(???) With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only
(???) about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a
(???) hardship??? Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol
(???) servers?
(???) ultiple Gopher servers on the same host (there's no such thing as
(???) opher VHost); perhaps security constraints (many ISPs block specific
(PNG) orts) prevents the Gopher operator from assuming root priviledges, or
(SND) imply doesn't want to.
(???) It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand
(???) Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This
(???) is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer
(???) ith Mozilla (Firefox), it was actually the opposite. The developers
(???) ctively block Gopher requests to ports other than 70 or rewrite URLs
(???) ithout notifying the user.
(???) With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a
(???) Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70??
(???) ometimes its not a choice.
(???) Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the
(???) Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of
(???) limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of
(???) the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other
(???) than 70
(TN3) he server operator shouldn't care about the infrastructure of its
(???) lients' networks. That's up to the client. (-:
(???) So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70
(???) such a burden?
(???) ee up.
(???) -
(???) aron J. Angel. You know, That One Guy! <thatoneguy@aaronjangel.us>
(???) isit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
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(???) k I'll try and clarify a few thing,
(???) y the way go get a cup of coffee first :)
(???) n Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:13:24 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) Sorry Chris, I wasn't alluding to "Local Veronica" (or V-2, or even Jughead), all of which are excellent tools. I should have been more clear in that I was refering to the no longer available non-local Gopherspace-wide Veronica, such as what was once run on the now defunct UMN Gopher. When I said "dead", I meant that the software is not running on Gopherspace, and therefore there was no need to make accomodations for it (and therefore as well, should it be brought back again, it also doesn't have to meet any pre-existing parameters).
(IMG) am running the original "non-local Gopherspace-wide Veronica"
(???) I added deleted parts from local-veronica software to make it back into the original non-local-veronica)
(IMG) t is running and well. Depending on spidering between 1.2 million selectors at a high and 678,000 selectors at a low.
(???) lso I run a "very large section of gopherspace jughead" as well as a local jughead and a local veronica as well as a few other network tools based on these. And some other less obvious to the world search engines housed on the net.
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(???) I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot? Yes, I do understand that in regards to Ports, NONE of the Ports should be "off limits". If I want to run my HTTP server on Port 21 (the common FTP Port) instead of Port 80 (the common HTTP Port), my software should not prevent me.
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(???) ight I agree none of the ports are "off limits" rules that would do this are imo bad.
(???) urther explanations below
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(???) Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick to specific Ports. The biggest advantage is the ease in configuring FireWalls. By restricting the number of Ports open to the world (and it always mystified me why they made so many Ports anyways, 512, or even as little as 256, whould have probably been more than sufficient based on real-life Port useage statistics) Network Administrators can more easily detect and prevent abuse of their Network.
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(IMG) disagree, 256? never work, thats not enough, not even close.
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(???) Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP address.
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(???) ase to detect? Use a searchtool that sees them and a client that does as well and you dont have to append anything if it is a link or is in a search engine.
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(???) The standardization of Port numbers has been felt so important in fact, that when you speak of a Protocol, you typically assume a specific Port (HTTP = 80, FTP = 21, SMTP = 25, DNS = 53, etceteras). IANA even maintains a list of what they call "Well Known Port Numbers" : http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
(???) lease read rfc1436 on your own server and in paticular pay attention to 3.2 Server portability and naming
(ERR) .5 Building clients
(ERR) .1 Locating services
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(???) ote: Port corresponds the the TCP Port Number, its value should
(???) be in the range [0..65535]; port 70 is officially assigned
(???) to gopher.
(???) nd please read carefully what Jon Gorzen and others wrote at mozzilla.
(???) ug 158888
(???) nd follow back to:
(???) ug 71916
(IMG) 'll add more later in this email.
(???) ut "There is nothing to prevent secondary servers or services from running on otherwise named servers or ports other than 70"
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(???) With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a hardship???
(???) Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol servers? (GN will let you serve the same content on two different Ports simultainiously, Port 70 and 80).
(???) ual? If only.....
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(???) Is it because a Legacy Server is already operating on a non-standard Port? (Contact the Servers Administrator and ask them to switch it onto Port 70).
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(IMG) am the Servers Administrator, and I'll try and explain more clearly below why, and it isnt "non-standard".
(???) It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer (i.e., many Browsers such as older versions of Internet Explorer). However, even many of the older dedicated Gopher Clients could only view Gopher on Port 70 (test this for yourself by downloading and trying some of these older clients: gopher://home.jumpjet.info/11\Begin_Here\Clients ).
(IMG) t is not only a unfortunate it's wrong, particularly to redirect to another site.
(???) ooking through your list of Unix clients and having run most of them I am not seeing these "port 70 only" clients your refering to, they wouldnt have worked if they didnt do the search engine ports and would not have been used.
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(???) With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70?? Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other than 70 (not that undue a burden, as persons operating, for example, a FTP server on a Port other than 21 also face the same issue in regards to limited Client choices for their patrons).
(???) ou have an ftp client that cant do other than 21?!?
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(???) So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70 such a burden?
(???) opher "search engines" are servers, they run on their own ports, ports such as the 3000, 2347 etc etc. If they ran on 70 they could not (easily) be run on the same machine right? So what you are suggesting is that I run all my gopherd and pygopherd servers on 70 as well as all the search engines (between 6 and 11 depending on what I am doing) as well on 70 and then let the html and wap go to 80 along with the various web servers and domain names.
(???) k fine, lets look at it.
(???) ow? Well lets see, I could buy a block more IP addresses and give or take add another 6-12 boxen to my hardware, then set up my named to name serve these boxen with names like Veronica_Local.hal3000.cx, Veronica1.hal3000.cx, Veronica2.hal3000.cx, Jughead_Main.hal3000.cx,
(???) tc etc etc...but wait, who's paying for this?
(???) e , so not such a good solution....
(???) ow about something like pygfarm or a dictonary server, but then you have for one, alot of scripts to write and for two added overhead and pipes and security issues,(assuming I would be using the original veronica or jughead to create and serve and then put into a database to farm out on a port 70 gopher page) so gosh seems like a lot of work to me to serve the gopher community a million selectors over several very wonderful original old time softwares that already work as they were intended to.
(???) y gopher is on port 70, I serve other gophers not on port 70 and the owners of those don't care if they are seen publically (but I Know it irks them that in firefox, they see mine instead of theirs).
(???) eronica is "a secondary servers" per RFC1436.
(???) his is clipped from a part of Jon G's moz bug post
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(???) FC1436 specifies the Gopher protocol, and in section 3.2 asserts that "There is nothing to prevent secondary servers or services from running on otherwise named servers or ports other than 70".Further, it indicates that "The client software can locate and retrieve any item by the trio of selector,hostname, and port."
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(???) y the way telnet to a Jughead or Veronica with a query, it gives you a result, it is an independent secondary server serving a request independent of the main gopher.
(???) o... with all that stated, yes its allowed but as to why I am not currently?
(IMG) t's not so easy, and with people feeling that I could just switch them to 70 and then saying heck firefox is fine as is, your effectively going to cut out anyone with a similar situation as mine from being able to offer up this free service. "Not so easy" may be an understatement.
(IMG) 'm just a guy with 16 computers at my house, I only have so much time and 1 IP and a dsl line thats static which I currently pay triple the standard home user rate to have static.
(???) o my "burden"? I think you can see the complexity.
(IMG) t certainly isn't cause I am some old ludite saying no no no or anything so silly as that as a matter of fact I did ask Cameron long ago for the source for V2 but because of its complexity and the system he runs he decided he cannot offer the source up, I would be delighted as hell to offer my search engines on 70 and would for legacies sake run them where they are at the same time, if it was something I could manage with a few bucks and a hundred hours, but the scope of it is larger than that and finally, all this cause moz is broken?
(???) ah I can't justify the time and or money to my wife and kids , they would certainly cut my (BIG) bundle of power cords :)
(TN3) his isn't meant as a flame or a rant, I am just trying to explain why, V2 is a great great tool, and it's goal is to achieve what veronica did long ago, and my goal is to keep pace with V2 running what V2 tries to emulate and surpass, kinda funny really and it's been a grin truely, but as for me somehow just plunking my old Veronicas and Jughead all at the same time on 1 IP to 1 Port along with the gopher main...it just isn't going to happen easily , and just so you understand I have been trying to see how I might manage it, I never say anything "can't be done".
(IMG) t just isn't going to be easy and I will _Never_ stop serving on the old ports either, I would only do both, with the original ports being primary.
(???) t the same time, I have been working with another gopher fan on a small gopher proxy as well as an html rendering engine that would use perl GET as the fetcher and variations on this concept, this is of course for FreeBSD and GNU/Linux and similar O.S.'s I dont have any M$ here. But we are a long way off at the moment.
(???) ope this clears up the "Burden" and "Hot Spots" and gives you some
nsight as to what some of the issues are. Currently as for a search engine searching all of gopherspace on port _70_ there is _Only_ V2,
(???) ine are the _only_ others to even attempt it at the moment on _any port_.
(???) this is to say there are only 2, V2 and mine that have recently been updated)
(IMG) f you find more send me the link as I have just re spidered and saw
(???) any sites leave for the second spidering in a row (results at /Links/Gopher/All_Active_Servers).
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(???) egards,
(???) hris
(HTM) al3000.cx et all
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(???) Yes, continue to hound Client / Browser software programmers to allow their software to operate on more than one Port (if only because the software SHOULD allow this flexability); but at the same time operate our handful of Internet Gopher Servers on just Port 70.
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(???) Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
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(???) Actually Veronica is not dead, it's alive and well, right on the port it was intended to be on.
(???) It's port is quite appropriate for any millenium, any web browser which can't handle ports is frankly past broken. How Moz acts, with it redirecting the client to a different site while keeping the port looking as if it's where it should be is quite unacceptable.
(???) Historically speaking it is un-questionably proper as it is.
(???) For the new millenium, why would you not allow the ports be used as they always had?
(???) Veronica-2 is very nice, and is a valid tool, just as is Veronica.
(???) Chris
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(???) > I disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
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(???) > In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
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(???) > V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
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(???) > Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
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(???) > I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) > it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) > mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
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(???) k I'll try and clarify a few thing,
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(???) n Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:13:24 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) Sorry Chris, I wasn't alluding to "Local Veronica" (or V-2, or even Jughead), all of which are excellent tools. I should have been more clear in that I was refering to the no longer available non-local Gopherspace-wide Veronica, such as what was once run on the now defunct UMN Gopher. When I said "dead", I meant that the software is not running on Gopherspace, and therefore there was no need to make accomodations for it (and therefore as well, should it be brought back again, it also doesn't have to meet any pre-existing parameters).
(IMG) am running the original "non-local Gopherspace-wide Veronica"
(???) I added deleted parts from local-veronica software to make it back into the original non-local-veronica)
(IMG) t is running and well. Depending on spidering between 1.2 million selectors at a high and 678,000 selectors at a low.
(???) lso I run a "very large section of gopherspace jughead" as well as a local jughead and a local veronica as well as a few other network tools based on these. And some other less obvious to the world search engines housed on the net.
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(???) I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot? Yes, I do understand that in regards to Ports, NONE of the Ports should be "off limits". If I want to run my HTTP server on Port 21 (the common FTP Port) instead of Port 80 (the common HTTP Port), my software should not prevent me.
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(???) ight I agree none of the ports are "off limits" rules that would do this are imo bad.
(???) urther explanations below
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(???) Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick to specific Ports. The biggest advantage is the ease in configuring FireWalls. By restricting the number of Ports open to the world (and it always mystified me why they made so many Ports anyways, 512, or even as little as 256, whould have probably been more than sufficient based on real-life Port useage statistics) Network Administrators can more easily detect and prevent abuse of their Network.
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(IMG) disagree, 256? never work, thats not enough, not even close.
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(???) Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP address.
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(???) ase to detect? Use a searchtool that sees them and a client that does as well and you dont have to append anything if it is a link or is in a search engine.
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(???) The standardization of Port numbers has been felt so important in fact, that when you speak of a Protocol, you typically assume a specific Port (HTTP = 80, FTP = 21, SMTP = 25, DNS = 53, etceteras). IANA even maintains a list of what they call "Well Known Port Numbers" : http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
(???) lease read rfc1436 on your own server and in paticular pay attention to 3.2 Server portability and naming
(ERR) .5 Building clients
(ERR) .1 Locating services
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(???) ote: Port corresponds the the TCP Port Number, its value should
(???) be in the range [0..65535]; port 70 is officially assigned
(???) to gopher.
(???) nd please read carefully what Jon Gorzen and others wrote at mozzilla.
(???) ug 158888
(???) nd follow back to:
(???) ug 71916
(IMG) 'll add more later in this email.
(???) ut "There is nothing to prevent secondary servers or services from running on otherwise named servers or ports other than 70"
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(???) With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a hardship???
(???) Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol servers? (GN will let you serve the same content on two different Ports simultainiously, Port 70 and 80).
(???) ual? If only.....
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(???) Is it because a Legacy Server is already operating on a non-standard Port? (Contact the Servers Administrator and ask them to switch it onto Port 70).
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(IMG) am the Servers Administrator, and I'll try and explain more clearly below why, and it isnt "non-standard".
(???) It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer (i.e., many Browsers such as older versions of Internet Explorer). However, even many of the older dedicated Gopher Clients could only view Gopher on Port 70 (test this for yourself by downloading and trying some of these older clients: gopher://home.jumpjet.info/11\Begin_Here\Clients ).
(IMG) t is not only a unfortunate it's wrong, particularly to redirect to another site.
(???) ooking through your list of Unix clients and having run most of them I am not seeing these "port 70 only" clients your refering to, they wouldnt have worked if they didnt do the search engine ports and would not have been used.
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(???) With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70?? Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other than 70 (not that undue a burden, as persons operating, for example, a FTP server on a Port other than 21 also face the same issue in regards to limited Client choices for their patrons).
(???) ou have an ftp client that cant do other than 21?!?
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(???) So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70 such a burden?
(???) opher "search engines" are servers, they run on their own ports, ports such as the 3000, 2347 etc etc. If they ran on 70 they could not (easily) be run on the same machine right? So what you are suggesting is that I run all my gopherd and pygopherd servers on 70 as well as all the search engines (between 6 and 11 depending on what I am doing) as well on 70 and then let the html and wap go to 80 along with the various web servers and domain names.
(???) k fine, lets look at it.
(???) ow? Well lets see, I could buy a block more IP addresses and give or take add another 6-12 boxen to my hardware, then set up my named to name serve these boxen with names like Veronica_Local.hal3000.cx, Veronica1.hal3000.cx, Veronica2.hal3000.cx, Jughead_Main.hal3000.cx,
(???) tc etc etc...but wait, who's paying for this?
(???) e , so not such a good solution....
(???) ow about something like pygfarm or a dictonary server, but then you have for one, alot of scripts to write and for two added overhead and pipes and security issues,(assuming I would be using the original veronica or jughead to create and serve and then put into a database to farm out on a port 70 gopher page) so gosh seems like a lot of work to me to serve the gopher community a million selectors over several very wonderful original old time softwares that already work as they were intended to.
(???) y gopher is on port 70, I serve other gophers not on port 70 and the owners of those don't care if they are seen publically (but I Know it irks them that in firefox, they see mine instead of theirs).
(???) eronica is "a secondary servers" per RFC1436.
(???) his is clipped from a part of Jon G's moz bug post
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(???) FC1436 specifies the Gopher protocol, and in section 3.2 asserts that "There is nothing to prevent secondary servers or services from running on otherwise named servers or ports other than 70".Further, it indicates that "The client software can locate and retrieve any item by the trio of selector,hostname, and port."
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(???) y the way telnet to a Jughead or Veronica with a query, it gives you a result, it is an independent secondary server serving a request independent of the main gopher.
(???) o... with all that stated, yes its allowed but as to why I am not currently?
(IMG) t's not so easy, and with people feeling that I could just switch them to 70 and then saying heck firefox is fine as is, your effectively going to cut out anyone with a similar situation as mine from being able to offer up this free service. "Not so easy" may be an understatement.
(IMG) 'm just a guy with 16 computers at my house, I only have so much time and 1 IP and a dsl line thats static which I currently pay triple the standard home user rate to have static.
(???) o my "burden"? I think you can see the complexity.
(IMG) t certainly isn't cause I am some old ludite saying no no no or anything so silly as that as a matter of fact I did ask Cameron long ago for the source for V2 but because of its complexity and the system he runs he decided he cannot offer the source up, I would be delighted as hell to offer my search engines on 70 and would for legacies sake run them where they are at the same time, if it was something I could manage with a few bucks and a hundred hours, but the scope of it is larger than that and finally, all this cause moz is broken?
(???) ah I can't justify the time and or money to my wife and kids , they would certainly cut my (BIG) bundle of power cords :)
(TN3) his isn't meant as a flame or a rant, I am just trying to explain why, V2 is a great great tool, and it's goal is to achieve what veronica did long ago, and my goal is to keep pace with V2 running what V2 tries to emulate and surpass, kinda funny really and it's been a grin truely, but as for me somehow just plunking my old Veronicas and Jughead all at the same time on 1 IP to 1 Port along with the gopher main...it just isn't going to happen easily , and just so you understand I have been trying to see how I might manage it, I never say anything "can't be done".
(IMG) t just isn't going to be easy and I will _Never_ stop serving on the old ports either, I would only do both, with the original ports being primary.
(???) t the same time, I have been working with another gopher fan on a small gopher proxy as well as an html rendering engine that would use perl GET as the fetcher and variations on this concept, this is of course for FreeBSD and GNU/Linux and similar O.S.'s I dont have any M$ here. But we are a long way off at the moment.
(???) ope this clears up the "Burden" and "Hot Spots" and gives you some
nsight as to what some of the issues are. Currently as for a search engine searching all of gopherspace on port _70_ there is _Only_ V2,
(???) ine are the _only_ others to even attempt it at the moment on _any port_.
(???) this is to say there are only 2, V2 and mine that have recently been updated)
(IMG) f you find more send me the link as I have just re spidered and saw
(???) any sites leave for the second spidering in a row (results at /Links/Gopher/All_Active_Servers).
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(???) egards,
(???) hris
(HTM) al3000.cx et all
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(???) Yes, continue to hound Client / Browser software programmers to allow their software to operate on more than one Port (if only because the software SHOULD allow this flexability); but at the same time operate our handful of Internet Gopher Servers on just Port 70.
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(???) Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
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(???) Actually Veronica is not dead, it's alive and well, right on the port it was intended to be on.
(???) It's port is quite appropriate for any millenium, any web browser which can't handle ports is frankly past broken. How Moz acts, with it redirecting the client to a different site while keeping the port looking as if it's where it should be is quite unacceptable.
(???) Historically speaking it is un-questionably proper as it is.
(???) For the new millenium, why would you not allow the ports be used as they always had?
(???) Veronica-2 is very nice, and is a valid tool, just as is Veronica.
(???) Chris
(???) On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
(???) JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???)
(???) > I disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM.
(???) >
(???) > In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB.
(???) >
(???) > V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica???
(???) >
(???) > Cameron Kaiser wrote:
(???) > > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
(???) > > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
(???) >
(???) > I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
(???) > it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
(???) > mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
(???) >
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(???) ee Aaron you said it with alot less words :)
(???) hris
(???) .S. thanks for your responses on bugzilla, they along with Jon's were very well put.
(???) n Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:56:35 -0500
(???) Aaron J. Angel" <thatoneguy@aaronjangel.us> wrote:
(???) JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) > I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot?
(???)
(???) The simple answer is you can't run multiple Gopher servers on the same
(???) port and IP address. Additionally, there are other services with which
(???) Gopher clients can interact that do not run on port 70. WHOIS and
(???) Finger come immediately to mind.
(???)
(???) > Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick
(???) > to specific Ports.
(???)
(???) Agreed; which is why Mozilla can't finger or whois.
(???)
(???) > Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or
(???) > at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client
(???) > / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of
(???) > HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on
(???) > Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't
(???) > want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP
(???) > address.
(???)
(???) That's what links (or Gopher menus) are for. The main content is
(???) available from the main port. Port 8080 is used not because it is a
(???) "standard", but because it is easy to remember. Users must always type
(???) these non-standard ports into the address field, or otherwise link to it
(???) from somewhere else.
(???)
(???) > With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only
(???) > about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a
(???) > hardship??? Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol
(???) > servers?
(???)
(???) Multiple Gopher servers on the same host (there's no such thing as
(???) Gopher VHost); perhaps security constraints (many ISPs block specific
(???) ports) prevents the Gopher operator from assuming root priviledges, or
(???) simply doesn't want to.
(???)
(???) > It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand
(???) > Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This
(???) > is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer
(???)
(???) With Mozilla (Firefox), it was actually the opposite. The developers
(???) actively block Gopher requests to ports other than 70 or rewrite URLs
(???) without notifying the user.
(???)
(???) > With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a
(???) > Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70??
(???)
(???) Sometimes its not a choice.
(???)
(???) > Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the
(???) > Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of
(???) > limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of
(???) > the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other
(???) > than 70
(???)
(???) The server operator shouldn't care about the infrastructure of its
(???) clients' networks. That's up to the client. (-:
(???)
(???) > So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70
(???) > such a burden?
(???)
(???) See up.
(???)
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(???) ee Aaron you said it with alot less words :)
(???) hris
(???) .S. thanks for your responses on bugzilla, they along with Jon's were very well put.
(???) n Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:56:35 -0500
(???) Aaron J. Angel" <thatoneguy@aaronjangel.us> wrote:
(???) JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) > I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot?
(???)
(???) The simple answer is you can't run multiple Gopher servers on the same
(???) port and IP address. Additionally, there are other services with which
(???) Gopher clients can interact that do not run on port 70. WHOIS and
(???) Finger come immediately to mind.
(???)
(???) > Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick
(???) > to specific Ports.
(???)
(???) Agreed; which is why Mozilla can't finger or whois.
(???)
(???) > Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or
(???) > at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client
(???) > / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of
(???) > HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on
(???) > Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't
(???) > want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP
(???) > address.
(???)
(???) That's what links (or Gopher menus) are for. The main content is
(???) available from the main port. Port 8080 is used not because it is a
(???) "standard", but because it is easy to remember. Users must always type
(???) these non-standard ports into the address field, or otherwise link to it
(???) from somewhere else.
(???)
(???) > With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only
(???) > about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a
(???) > hardship??? Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol
(???) > servers?
(???)
(???) Multiple Gopher servers on the same host (there's no such thing as
(???) Gopher VHost); perhaps security constraints (many ISPs block specific
(???) ports) prevents the Gopher operator from assuming root priviledges, or
(???) simply doesn't want to.
(???)
(???) > It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand
(???) > Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This
(???) > is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer
(???)
(???) With Mozilla (Firefox), it was actually the opposite. The developers
(???) actively block Gopher requests to ports other than 70 or rewrite URLs
(???) without notifying the user.
(???)
(???) > With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a
(???) > Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70??
(???)
(???) Sometimes its not a choice.
(???)
(???) > Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the
(???) > Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of
(???) > limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of
(???) > the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other
(???) > than 70
(???)
(???) The server operator shouldn't care about the infrastructure of its
(???) clients' networks. That's up to the client. (-:
(???)
(???) > So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70
(???) > such a burden?
(???)
(???) See up.
(???)
(???) --
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(???) Visit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
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(IMG) am so glad that my probing question about Ports has generated so much detailed reasoning and debate. This is just the kind of thoughtful argument that I was hoping for, as it will be very useful for future reference to everyone (newbies and advanced alike) when this months batch of complete.org email goes into the Gopher archive. Too much about why things are done in Gopher has gone un-documented for too long.
(???)
(???) BTW, my teams personal feelings about Ports are that the primary Gopher gateway (Gopherhole) into an individual domain (IP address) should be on Port 70; if for no other reason than any Client or Browser can view the "Home Page" and read a posted "further instructions" document from the Administrator. As for any other services... Admins perogative.
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???)
(???) ee Aaron you said it with alot less words :)
(???) hris
(???) .S. thanks for your responses on bugzilla, they along with Jon's were very well put.
(???) n Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:56:35 -0500
(???) Aaron J. Angel" wrote:
(???) JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) > I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot?
(???)
(???) The simple answer is you can't run multiple Gopher servers on the same
(???) port and IP address. Additionally, there are other services with which
(???) Gopher clients can interact that do not run on port 70. WHOIS and
(???) Finger come immediately to mind.
(???)
(???) > Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick
(???) > to specific Ports.
(???)
(???) Agreed; which is why Mozilla can't finger or whois.
(???)
(???) > Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or
(???) > at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client
(???) > / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of
(???) > HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on
(???) > Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't
(???) > want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP
(???) > address.
(???)
(???) That's what links (or Gopher menus) are for. The main content is
(???) available from the main port. Port 8080 is used not because it is a
(???) "standard", but because it is easy to remember. Users must always type
(???) these non-standard ports into the address field, or otherwise link to it
(???) from somewhere else.
(???)
(???) > With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only
(???) > about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a
(???) > hardship??? Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol
(???) > servers?
(???)
(???) Multiple Gopher servers on the same host (there's no such thing as
(???) Gopher VHost); perhaps security constraints (many ISPs block specific
(???) ports) prevents the Gopher operator from assuming root priviledges, or
(???) simply doesn't want to.
(???)
(???) > It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand
(???) > Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This
(???) > is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer
(???)
(???) With Mozilla (Firefox), it was actually the opposite. The developers
(???) actively block Gopher requests to ports other than 70 or rewrite URLs
(???) without notifying the user.
(???)
(???) > With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a
(???) > Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70??
(???)
(???) Sometimes its not a choice.
(???)
(???) > Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the
(???) > Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of
(???) > limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of
(???) > the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other
(???) > than 70
(???)
(???) The server operator shouldn't care about the infrastructure of its
(???) clients' networks. That's up to the client. (-:
(???)
(???) > So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70
(???) > such a burden?
(???)
(???) See up.
(???)
(???) --
(???) Aaron J. Angel. You know, That One Guy!
(???) Visit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???)
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(IMG) am so glad that my probing question about Ports has generated so much detailed reasoning and debate. This is just the kind of thoughtful argument that I was hoping for, as it will be very useful for future reference to everyone (newbies and advanced alike) when this months batch of complete.org email goes into the Gopher archive. Too much about why things are done in Gopher has gone un-documented for too long.
(???)
(???) BTW, my teams personal feelings about Ports are that the primary Gopher gateway (Gopherhole) into an individual domain (IP address) should be on Port 70; if for no other reason than any Client or Browser can view the "Home Page" and read a posted "further instructions" document from the Administrator. As for any other services... Admins perogative.
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???)
(???) ee Aaron you said it with alot less words :)
(???) hris
(???) .S. thanks for your responses on bugzilla, they along with Jon's were very well put.
(???) n Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:56:35 -0500
(???) Aaron J. Angel" wrote:
(???) JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
(???) > I am however wondering why the Port issue is such a hot spot?
(???)
(???) The simple answer is you can't run multiple Gopher servers on the same
(???) port and IP address. Additionally, there are other services with which
(???) Gopher clients can interact that do not run on port 70. WHOIS and
(???) Finger come immediately to mind.
(???)
(???) > Still, there are indeed several advantages to having software stick
(???) > to specific Ports.
(???)
(???) Agreed; which is why Mozilla can't finger or whois.
(???)
(???) > Another advantage of having certain Protocals stick to a single (or
(???) > at least a very limited range) of Ports is the ease of which a Client
(???) > / Browser can detect a Server. This is why there are millions of
(???) > HTTP web pages operating on Port 80 (or Port 8080) rather than on
(???) > Port "X". Non-technical persons who surf the Web, typically don't
(???) > want to be constantly appending Port numbers to the end of an IP
(???) > address.
(???)
(???) That's what links (or Gopher menus) are for. The main content is
(???) available from the main port. Port 8080 is used not because it is a
(???) "standard", but because it is easy to remember. Users must always type
(???) these non-standard ports into the address field, or otherwise link to it
(???) from somewhere else.
(???)
(???) > With only about 200 or so Internet Gopher Servers worldwide (and only
(???) > about a dozen still actively updated), why is using Port 70 such a
(???) > hardship??? Is it because of a imperative need to run Dual Protocol
(???) > servers?
(???)
(???) Multiple Gopher servers on the same host (there's no such thing as
(???) Gopher VHost); perhaps security constraints (many ISPs block specific
(???) ports) prevents the Gopher operator from assuming root priviledges, or
(???) simply doesn't want to.
(???)
(???) > It is indeed unfortunate that many Browsers that understand
(???) > Gopherspace can not recognize Gopher on a Port other than 70. This
(???) > is due primarily to lazyness on the part of the software programmer
(???)
(???) With Mozilla (Firefox), it was actually the opposite. The developers
(???) actively block Gopher requests to ports other than 70 or rewrite URLs
(???) without notifying the user.
(???)
(???) > With such a limited selection of Clients / Browsers able to choose a
(???) > Port other than 70, why not just stick with Port 70??
(???)
(???) Sometimes its not a choice.
(???)
(???) > Should a unique Server have to operate on a different Port, the
(???) > Server Administrator should just assume that his Server will be of
(???) > limited accessability as his patrons must INTENTIONALLY use one of
(???) > the very few Clients / Browsers that can operatate on a Port other
(???) > than 70
(???)
(???) The server operator shouldn't care about the infrastructure of its
(???) clients' networks. That's up to the client. (-:
(???)
(???) > So, in conclusion; Why is operating a Gopher Server on JUST Port 70
(???) > such a burden?
(???)
(???) See up.
(???)
(???) --
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(???) Visit me on the web at http://www.aaronjangel.us/.
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(???) ave you looked into qemu?
(IMG) don't know much about it, other than a fellow I
(???) now who isn't allowed to dual boot or remove windows
(???) rom a university box has been allowed to run this emulator.
(IMG) have heard he has run FreeBSD of several releases as well
(???) s minix3 and some GNU/Linux distros. Even using XWindows
(???) rom within the emulator.
(???) hris
(???) n Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:26:01 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) >>Looking through your list of Unix clients and having run most of them I
(???) am not seeing these "port 70 only" clients your refering to, they
(???) wouldnt have worked if they didnt do the search engine ports and would not
(???) have been used.<<
(???)
(???) Those of us at JumpJet unfortunately do not have the ability to test software from many of the platforms to which Gopher Clients or Servers have been written. We at JumpJet are primarily "old-school". Our personal interests are in Pure DOS (WITHOUT Windows 3x) and Warp OS/2 (and one semi-functional Vic-20 just for fun). Windows 2000 is what we use in the office as our everyday workhorse operating system.
(???)
(???) Unfortunately, as far as Unix and Macintosh goes, we have neither the inclination towards the software nor the necessary platforms on which to test. Therefore, JumpJet needs user feedback about Gopher Clients and Servers for any and all OSes (especially the"odd-ball" OSes like NeXT, Acorn, and VMS).
(???)
(???) If anyone would be willing to write a review of ANY Gopher software, we want to post it along with the program download (see gopher://home.jumpjet.info/00\Begin_Here\Clients\MacOS%207x\TurboGopher\Review.txt for a basic example). Send email to: jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com .
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(???) ave you looked into qemu?
(IMG) don't know much about it, other than a fellow I
(???) now who isn't allowed to dual boot or remove windows
(???) rom a university box has been allowed to run this emulator.
(IMG) have heard he has run FreeBSD of several releases as well
(???) s minix3 and some GNU/Linux distros. Even using XWindows
(???) rom within the emulator.
(???) hris
(???) n Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:26:01 -0700 (PDT)
(???) umpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) >>Looking through your list of Unix clients and having run most of them I
(???) am not seeing these "port 70 only" clients your refering to, they
(???) wouldnt have worked if they didnt do the search engine ports and would not
(???) have been used.<<
(???)
(???) Those of us at JumpJet unfortunately do not have the ability to test software from many of the platforms to which Gopher Clients or Servers have been written. We at JumpJet are primarily "old-school". Our personal interests are in Pure DOS (WITHOUT Windows 3x) and Warp OS/2 (and one semi-functional Vic-20 just for fun). Windows 2000 is what we use in the office as our everyday workhorse operating system.
(???)
(???) Unfortunately, as far as Unix and Macintosh goes, we have neither the inclination towards the software nor the necessary platforms on which to test. Therefore, JumpJet needs user feedback about Gopher Clients and Servers for any and all OSes (especially the"odd-ball" OSes like NeXT, Acorn, and VMS).
(???)
(???) If anyone would be willing to write a review of ANY Gopher software, we want to post it along with the program download (see gopher://home.jumpjet.info/00\Begin_Here\Clients\MacOS%207x\TurboGopher\Review.txt for a basic example). Send email to: jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com .
(???)
(???)
(???)
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(HTM) elsinki is down for repairs and evaluation of a mysterious crash this
(???) orning. No ETR, but hopefully tonight.
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(???) ubject: [gopher] gopher.floodgap.com down
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(HTM) elsinki is down for repairs and evaluation of a mysterious crash this
(???) orning. No ETR, but hopefully tonight.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov --
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Apr 19 03:24:41 2007
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:24:41 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:05:35 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) essage-Id: <200704190005.l3J05R3S015806@floodgap.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
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(HTM) elsinki is back up. Not sure what happened, but no apparent damage.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. -- M. L. King, Jr. ---
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Thu Apr 19 03:25:12 2007
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(???) elivery-date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:25:12 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:05:35 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from floodgap.com ([66.159.214.137] ident=elvis)
(???) eceived: (from spectre@localhost)
(???) rom: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) ate: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:05:42 -0500
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(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] back up
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
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(???) tatus: O
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(HTM) elsinki is back up. Not sure what happened, but no apparent damage.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. -- M. L. King, Jr. ---
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 23 15:20:23 2007
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:20:23 +0200
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(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:00:30 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from static-71-170-11-156.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.170.11.156] helo=turquoise.pongonova.net)
(???) eceived: by turquoise.pongonova.net (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) ate: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:01:05 -0500
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(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <20070419120105.GA19365@pongonova.net>
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:00:42 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Content for a gopher server?
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
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(???) tatus: O
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(TN3) his was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) ord "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???) ====================================================================
(IMG) 've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) ive, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) p with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) rchives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) hought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???) ctually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(SND) ake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) long the way!
(???) ny suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???) --Brian
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 23 15:20:23 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:20:23 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:00:30 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from static-71-170-11-156.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.170.11.156] helo=turquoise.pongonova.net)
(???) eceived: by turquoise.pongonova.net (Postfix, from userid 1000)
(???) ate: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:01:05 -0500
(???) rom: brian@pongonova.net
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(???) essage-ID: <20070419120105.GA19365@pongonova.net>
(???) ime-Version: 1.0
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:00:30 -0500
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
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(???) -original-sender: brian@pongonova.net
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(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:00:42 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Content for a gopher server?
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
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(TN3) his was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) ord "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???) ====================================================================
(IMG) 've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) ive, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) p with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) rchives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) hought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???) ctually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(SND) ake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) long the way!
(???) ny suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???) --Brian
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 23 15:20:37 2007
(???) eturn-path: <gopher-bounce@complete.org>
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:20:37 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:15:49 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from web35502.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.163.179.126])
(???) eceived: (qmail 45935 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2007 20:15:40 -0000
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(???) h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;
(???) b=jc8UqgkJD25tIah7HtlIeI7lcHUHiIlHCkV2PQ1h3F/NCpzYo/txvuv1KL73oadYRR0LyF9o7xnyhJSaJPScChLlshxBE9yYok3YmszPEHCGv5AwbeNBZuJySwrvt8h4T3kDlWCtPeagHbzoZQ9X6kSFMG+Iq/qm28HL8VbdZOI=;
(???) -YMail-OSG: CZUpYVAVM1n5c40.pGui6ZSd4fOwapcEMzCGpADl68x6kKSLF.ahjpM.RhVWrVqfquiPxaIwQS0wWaxtsWD70H0zKTjy0d8tukuldm4i9HYh.hnKi0YdMvmvGCmZcQ--
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(???) ate: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
(???) rom: JumpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
(IMG) n-Reply-To: <20070419195935.7372a5a7@work1.hal3000.cx>
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(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:15:48 -0500
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(???) ender: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) rrors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) -original-sender: jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com
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(???) ist-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0
(???) ist-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) -List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org>
(???) ist-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe>
(???) ist-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org>
(???) ist-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org>
(???) ist-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/>
(???) -list: gopher
(???) -Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:15:56 -0500
(???) -SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.85.160.192
(???) -SA-Exim-Mail-From: gopher-bounce@complete.org
(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Content for a gopher server?
(???) -SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1
(???) -SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on rachael.dyndns.org)
(???) tatus: O
(???) -Status:
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(???) urf some of these servers for ideas:
(???) http://www.ftp-sites.org/index.html
(HTM) ttp://www.dmine.com/telnet/index.htm
(HTM) ttp://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/hytelnet/index.html
(HTM) ttp://web.archive.org/web/20060128005801/http://www.lub.lu.se/autoclass.html
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) You can put anything on your Gopher...
(???) ew, old, both. Thats the neat part:)
(???) hat do you like, what do you wish was faster to access
(???) nd wasn't cluttered with adds? Maybe some current thing that you could fetch from a direct source or even from a web page and put in a simple text method into your gopher (like daily hourly or whatever).
(???) hlog your opinion, look for and save historical files put recipes or your hobbies, plans for things you like to build free content is always nice. Text, images, movies, sounds, programs, anything at all.
(IMG) see sites that are archaic and historical and un-updated and then pages like the equivalent of a web personal homepage and blends between them and a few pages very specific to a certain science. You might just take some time and browse from one end to the other and verify whats out there and see a niche that youd like to help out. IMO it's quite free and unhindered.
(???) hris
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(???) n Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:01:05 -0500
(???) rian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) oin FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 23 15:20:43 2007
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(???) nvelope-to: rachael@telefisk.org
(???) elivery-date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:20:43 +0200
(???) eceived: from b01s02mr.corenetworks.net ([64.85.160.192] helo=glockenspiel.complete.org)
(???) eceived: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=glockenspiel)
(???) eceived: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:04:37 -0500 (CDT)
(???) eceived: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.173])
(???) eceived: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so980110uge
(???) for <gopher@complete.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
(???) KIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed;
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(???) es.
(???) n 20/04/07, Eric Newberry <ericnewberry@mirametrics.com> wrote:
(???) Did anyone recive this on the 18th?
(???)
(???) > I'm using the most recent version that you probally have if you have a new
(???) > version of cygwin. Sorry for not responding, something was wrong with my
(???) > server, I could only recive mail.
(???) >
(???) > Eric
(???) > ----- Original Message -----
(???) > From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) > To: <gopher@complete.org>
(???) > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:04 PM
(???) > Subject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >>> I have both that file and that directory. I can't find the _postinstall
(???) >>> package anywhere in the cygwin setup wizard.
(???) >>
(???) >> Then something is very wrong. I'll have to look at it later when I have
(???) >> a little more time. Just so I know, what version of cygwin?
(???) >>
(???) >> --
(???) >> ------------------------------------ personal:
(???) >> http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) >> Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com *
(???) >> ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) >> -- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move
(???) >> bodies. ------------------
(???) -
(???) enn Newman
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(???) ou can put anything on your Gopher...
(???) ew, old, both. Thats the neat part:)
(???) hat do you like, what do you wish was faster to access
(???) nd wasn't cluttered with adds? Maybe some current thing that you could fetch from a direct source or even from a web page and put in a simple text method into your gopher (like daily hourly or whatever).
(???) hlog your opinion, look for and save historical files put recipes or your hobbies, plans for things you like to build free content is always nice. Text, images, movies, sounds, programs, anything at all.
(IMG) see sites that are archaic and historical and un-updated and then pages like the equivalent of a web personal homepage and blends between them and a few pages very specific to a certain science. You might just take some time and browse from one end to the other and verify whats out there and see a niche that youd like to help out. IMO it's quite free and unhindered.
(???) hris
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(???) n Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:01:05 -0500
(???) rian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
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(???) rubs his eyes>
(???) leep?!?
(IMG) wasn't sleeping!
(IMG) was awake honest!
(???) hh .... you mean I should have been sleeping?
(???) :)
(???) n Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:35:55 -0500
(???) Benn Newman" <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) I take the recent activity on this mailing list to insert subliminal messages.
(???)
(???) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_Gopher> always needs help.
(???)
(???) And don't forget to keep me and ChanServ (and our occasional guests) company.
(???) Chris (hal3000.cx): That means to *not* come when both of us should be
(???) sleeping).
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
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(???) n 19/04/07, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) I take the recent activity on this mailing list to insert subliminal messages.
(???)
(???) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_Gopher> always needs help.
(???)
(???) And don't forget to keep me and ChanServ (and our occasional guests) company.
(???) Chris (hal3000.cx): That means to *not* come when both of us should be
(???) sleeping).
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
(???)
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(IMG) take the recent activity on this mailing list to insert subliminal messages.
(???) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_Gopher> always needs help.
(???) nd don't forget to keep me and ChanServ (and our occasional guests) company.
(???) hris (hal3000.cx): That means to *not* come when both of us should be
(SND) leeping).
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(???) hen I had a computer to run a Gopher server on and had problems with
(???) he content part,
(IMG) hosted logs for a few IRC channels. (It was gopherd on freenode)
(TN3) he nice thing about the web is that you can use shiny tools to fool
(???) ourself and
(???) ake things that say nothing.
(???) n 19/04/07, JumpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) Anything that makes a good FTP candidate is a great Gopher candidate.
(???)
(???) Cruise some FTP sites for ideas.
(???) brian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???) -
(???) enn Newman
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(???) nything that makes a good FTP candidate is a great Gopher candidate.
(???)
(???) Cruise some FTP sites for ideas.
(???) rian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) ord "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???) ====================================================================
(IMG) 've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) ive, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) p with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) rchives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) hought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???) ctually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(SND) ake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) long the way!
(???) ny suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???) -Brian
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) urf some of these servers for ideas:
(???) http://www.ftp-sites.org/index.html
(HTM) ttp://www.dmine.com/telnet/index.htm
(HTM) ttp://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/hytelnet/index.html
(HTM) ttp://web.archive.org/web/20060128005801/http://www.lub.lu.se/autoclass.html
(???)
(???) hris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
(???) You can put anything on your Gopher...
(???) ew, old, both. Thats the neat part:)
(???) hat do you like, what do you wish was faster to access
(???) nd wasn't cluttered with adds? Maybe some current thing that you could fetch from a direct source or even from a web page and put in a simple text method into your gopher (like daily hourly or whatever).
(???) hlog your opinion, look for and save historical files put recipes or your hobbies, plans for things you like to build free content is always nice. Text, images, movies, sounds, programs, anything at all.
(IMG) see sites that are archaic and historical and un-updated and then pages like the equivalent of a web personal homepage and blends between them and a few pages very specific to a certain science. You might just take some time and browse from one end to the other and verify whats out there and see a niche that youd like to help out. IMO it's quite free and unhindered.
(???) hris
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(???) n Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:01:05 -0500
(???) rian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) -
(???) oin FSF as an Associate Member at:
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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(???) n 20/04/07, Eric Newberry <ericnewberry@mirametrics.com> wrote:
(???) Did anyone recive this on the 18th?
(???)
(???) > I'm using the most recent version that you probally have if you have a new
(???) > version of cygwin. Sorry for not responding, something was wrong with my
(???) > server, I could only recive mail.
(???) >
(???) > Eric
(???) > ----- Original Message -----
(???) > From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) > To: <gopher@complete.org>
(???) > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:04 PM
(???) > Subject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >>> I have both that file and that directory. I can't find the _postinstall
(???) >>> package anywhere in the cygwin setup wizard.
(???) >>
(???) >> Then something is very wrong. I'll have to look at it later when I have
(???) >> a little more time. Just so I know, what version of cygwin?
(???) >>
(???) >> --
(???) >> ------------------------------------ personal:
(???) >> http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) >> Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com *
(???) >> ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) >> -- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move
(???) >> bodies. ------------------
(???) -
(???) enn Newman
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(???) ou can put anything on your Gopher...
(???) ew, old, both. Thats the neat part:)
(???) hat do you like, what do you wish was faster to access
(???) nd wasn't cluttered with adds? Maybe some current thing that you could fetch from a direct source or even from a web page and put in a simple text method into your gopher (like daily hourly or whatever).
(???) hlog your opinion, look for and save historical files put recipes or your hobbies, plans for things you like to build free content is always nice. Text, images, movies, sounds, programs, anything at all.
(IMG) see sites that are archaic and historical and un-updated and then pages like the equivalent of a web personal homepage and blends between them and a few pages very specific to a certain science. You might just take some time and browse from one end to the other and verify whats out there and see a niche that youd like to help out. IMO it's quite free and unhindered.
(???) hris
(GIF) opher://hal3000.cx
(???) n Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:01:05 -0500
(???) rian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
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(???) rubs his eyes>
(???) leep?!?
(IMG) wasn't sleeping!
(IMG) was awake honest!
(???) hh .... you mean I should have been sleeping?
(???) :)
(???) n Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:35:55 -0500
(???) Benn Newman" <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) I take the recent activity on this mailing list to insert subliminal messages.
(???)
(???) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_Gopher> always needs help.
(???)
(???) And don't forget to keep me and ChanServ (and our occasional guests) company.
(???) Chris (hal3000.cx): That means to *not* come when both of us should be
(???) sleeping).
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
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(???) n 19/04/07, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
(???) I take the recent activity on this mailing list to insert subliminal messages.
(???)
(???) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_Gopher> always needs help.
(???)
(???) And don't forget to keep me and ChanServ (and our occasional guests) company.
(???) Chris (hal3000.cx): That means to *not* come when both of us should be
(???) sleeping).
(???) --
(???) Benn Newman
(???)
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(IMG) take the recent activity on this mailing list to insert subliminal messages.
(???) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_Gopher> always needs help.
(???) nd don't forget to keep me and ChanServ (and our occasional guests) company.
(???) hris (hal3000.cx): That means to *not* come when both of us should be
(SND) leeping).
(???) -
(???) enn Newman
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(???) rom: "Benn Newman" <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org>
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(???) hen I had a computer to run a Gopher server on and had problems with
(???) he content part,
(IMG) hosted logs for a few IRC channels. (It was gopherd on freenode)
(TN3) he nice thing about the web is that you can use shiny tools to fool
(???) ourself and
(???) ake things that say nothing.
(???) n 19/04/07, JumpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(???) Anything that makes a good FTP candidate is a great Gopher candidate.
(???)
(???) Cruise some FTP sites for ideas.
(???) brian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???) -
(???) enn Newman
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 23 15:24:02 2007
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(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) nything that makes a good FTP candidate is a great Gopher candidate.
(???)
(???) Cruise some FTP sites for ideas.
(???) rian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) ord "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???) ====================================================================
(IMG) 've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) ive, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) p with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) rchives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) hought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???) ctually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(SND) ake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) long the way!
(???) ny suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???) -Brian
(???)
(???) --------------------------------
(???) hhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
(???) Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Mon Apr 23 15:24:07 2007
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(???) ate: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:22:01 +0100
(???) rom: Maurice McCarthy <maurice.mccarthy@ntlworld.com>
(TN3) o: gopher@complete.org
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(???) eferences: <20070419120105.GA19365@pongonova.net>
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(???) ow about some djvu files as per www.archive.org
(TN3) hey only use ftp maybe you could show them that gopher is better
(???) ood Luck
(???) aurice
(???) n Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:01:05AM -0500 or thereabouts, brian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Tue Apr 24 00:06:03 2007
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(???) rom: Maurice McCarthy <maurice.mccarthy@ntlworld.com>
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(???) ow about some djvu files as per www.archive.org
(TN3) hey only use ftp maybe you could show them that gopher is better
(???) ood Luck
(???) aurice
(???) n Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:01:05AM -0500 or thereabouts, brian@pongonova.net wrote:
(???) This was bounced from the m/l because I had the audacity to embed the
(???) word "s u b s c r i b e" in my original post :) So here's retry #2:
(???)
(???) =====================================================================
(???)
(???) I've been playing with gopher for some time now, and am ready to go
(???) live, if not just to show some support...however, I really can't come
(???) up with an idea of what kind of content to host. I don't have any
(???) archives to speak of, belong to a few mailing lists that I've
(???) thought about hosting, but beyond that, I'm stuck.
(???)
(???) Actually, I'm not averse to simply setting up a gopher server for the
(???) sake of doing so, but it would be nice to actually host something
(???) along the way!
(???)
(???) Any suggestions? Ideas? Things that haven't been done yet?
(???)
(???) --Brian
(???)
(???) rom gopher-bounce@complete.org Tue Apr 24 05:08:48 2007
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(???) ate: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:03:28 -0500
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Fw: Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) up, sure did.
(???) hris
(???) n Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:13:27 -0700
(???) Eric Newberry" <ericnewberry@mirametrics.com> wrote:
(???) Did anyone recive this on the 18th?
(???)
(???) > I'm using the most recent version that you probally have if you have a new
(???) > version of cygwin. Sorry for not responding, something was wrong with my
(???) > server, I could only recive mail.
(???) >
(???) > Eric
(???) > ----- Original Message -----
(???) > From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) > To: <gopher@complete.org>
(???) > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:04 PM
(???) > Subject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >>> I have both that file and that directory. I can't find the _postinstall
(???) >>> package anywhere in the cygwin setup wizard.
(???) >>
(???) >> Then something is very wrong. I'll have to look at it later when I have
(???) >> a little more time. Just so I know, what version of cygwin?
(???) >>
(???) >> --
(???) >> ------------------------------------ personal:
(???) >> http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) >> Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com *
(???) >> ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) >> -- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move
(???) >> bodies. ------------------
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(???) up, sure did.
(???) hris
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(???) Eric Newberry" <ericnewberry@mirametrics.com> wrote:
(???) Did anyone recive this on the 18th?
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(???) > I'm using the most recent version that you probally have if you have a new
(???) > version of cygwin. Sorry for not responding, something was wrong with my
(???) > server, I could only recive mail.
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(???) > Eric
(???) > ----- Original Message -----
(???) > From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre@floodgap.com>
(???) > To: <gopher@complete.org>
(???) > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:04 PM
(???) > Subject: [gopher] Re: How was Veronica-2 made
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(???) >>> I have both that file and that directory. I can't find the _postinstall
(???) >>> package anywhere in the cygwin setup wizard.
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(???) >> Then something is very wrong. I'll have to look at it later when I have
(???) >> a little more time. Just so I know, what version of cygwin?
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(???) >> --
(???) >> ------------------------------------ personal:
(???) >> http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) >> Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com *
(???) >> ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) >> -- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move
(???) >> bodies. ------------------
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(???) ince some of you asked.
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(???) enn Newman
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(???) ou are not on IRC, so I am telling you the news over e-mail. There
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(???) ave a nice day.
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(???) enn Newman
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(???) ood day.
(???) ou are not on IRC, so I am telling you the news over e-mail. There
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(???) nd has some cleanups.
(???) ave a nice day.
(???) incerely,
(???) hristoph
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Re: Fwd: Gopherd release
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(???) Since some of you asked.
(???) ummer, there's not a gopher server there (unless you know better or it's
(???) n on r-36.net:70 or gopher.r-36.net:70).
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - select unique ("Just another SQL hacker") jash from id_rec order by 1; -----
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(IMG) n-Reply-To: <ae9679470704301353j50b35e2bga248df109595a88f@mail.gmail.com> from Benn Newman at "Apr 30, 7 03:53:48 pm"
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(???) Since some of you asked.
(???) ummer, there's not a gopher server there (unless you know better or it's
(???) n on r-36.net:70 or gopher.r-36.net:70).
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(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - select unique ("Just another SQL hacker") jash from id_rec order by 1; -----