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       Thread[.post]: 5.13
       TACKER:  sjlawson (sjlawson)
       SUBJECT: .. Prophesies about Jesus in Tanach (Old Testament)
       DATE:    01-Apr-26 13:31:17
       HOST:    rie
       
       There are no fewer than two, or possibly three definitions of the word, 
       prophecy, as used in Christian and Jewish scriptures. 
       
       1. Words from God as delivered by one who speaks for God. When I was in 
       college in a class on biblical studies, the phrase "A prophet speaks for 
       God," was repeated by the professor frequently. An example of this would be 
       Moses delivering the Ten Commandments. It's also a prophecy when Samuel 
       (1 Samuel ch 15) tells Saul to annihilate the Amalekites - although there 
       is no way that command came from any real God. That was a human vendetta 
       tidied up for the history books by the victor. The bible's history is 
       always subjective. The idea of objectivity in history was a Greek notion 
       that hand't reached Israel just yet.
       
       2. Prophecy as a glimpse into what is happening or has already happened 
       that is out of view of normal human ovservstion. Visions like Jacob's 
       Ladder, the events described in John's Revelation, Ezekiel's valley of dry 
       bones. These are meant to teach and inspire. I am currently convinced this 
       in which Revelation best fits, as it is a vision that included bits of the 
       past and present from the persective of the author. It wasn't meant to 
       predict anything, but to reveal the kinds of things that are constantly 
       happening. There have been many beasts, anti-christs, and apocalypses 
       before, during, and since. Revelation may be the first attempt at 
       describing how, as we like to say, history repeats itself. 
       
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       tidied up for the history books by the victor. The bible's history is 
       always subjective. The idea of objectivity in history was a Greek notion 
       that hand't reached Israel just yet.
       
       2. Prophecy as a glimpse into what is happening or has already happened 
       that is out of view of normal human ovservstion. Visions like Jacob's 
       Ladder, the events described in John's Revelation, Ezekiel's valley of dry 
       bones. These are meant to teach and inspire. I am currently convinced this 
       in which Revelation best fits, as it is a vision that included bits of the 
       past and present from the persective of the author. It wasn't meant to 
       predict anything, but to reveal the kinds of things that are constantly 
       happening. There have been many beasts, anti-christs, and apocalypses 
       before, during, and since. Revelation may be the first attempt at 
       describing how, as we like to say, history repeats itself. 
       
       3. Prophecy as a glmipse into future events. This is really the same as #2 
       but with a shifted temporal prespective. Almost all Christian bible 
       scholars agree that Isaiah 53 refers to the Yeshua of the Gospels, "He was 
       despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief." I 
       suspect it might mean that along with several other people in history. Any 
       person who takes on the task of saving society from destruction by its own 
       hand is destined to be despised by the people he or she is trying to help. 
       That's not to say it isn't a real prophesy. Identifying the cycles the 
       world passes through and repeats is an important practice, and whether you 
       believe inthem or not, I think this provides the reason people are so 
       fascinated by prophets. 
       
       
       
       
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