I guess I never got that. I found the experience amusing as hell. Bumping elbows, jiggly noises, sudden need to go to the bathroom at the most awkward times. I mean, kudos to those who get a spiritual high off of it, but I get that from pondering. Always did, even as a kid. Maybe I'm missing it but hey, if it does it for ya, go for it :) == TMI moment: Oh a lark one time, lying in bed, by myself, I wondered if it was possible to control that little muscle and get multiple orgasms. It was an uncontrol thing. It's doable. Just gotta relax completely and go inside of yourself - a state of not-controlling. Get into a connected with everything state with that little bit of 'extra'. Nothing physical needed. Just thinking and flying around in your head. Not something I have a habit of - I'm not a sexual kinda person. But I was bored, wondered if it was possible and it is. But I've always had an active imagination - one of the reasons why I REALLY want a wifi connection to my brain 'cause even at 110wpm typing is too slow. 17 notes per second on the piano and only 10 fingers and limited sounds is not enough on the piano. The world's way too slow, body's clunky but I'm glad for it. == There's physical there. If nothing else, there's that little muscle - I dunno what it's called (not big on names of things). I'm assuming it's probably the same muscle in men and women. Seems like a little knot buried deep in there. Not even quite sure where it's at (again, don't care about names or exactness) - but I have a "mental map" of where muscles are and activating it mentally takes relaxing both the muscles in the urethra in front and sphincter in the back without going all over yourself, or who you're with. Again, dunno if it's activated in the same way for men and women. But always seemed like it was a knot that was closed most of the time and a LOT of relaxing of the surrounding muscles has to take place for it to activate but just in the right way. Then, switch turns on. I doubt one could STAY in that state for very long 'cause it seems to blast the nervous system with all sorts of nitrogen bubbles - the same ones that get your heart pumping, your memories forming, all sorts of images in the brain - a real overload of the circuitry. == dreams can take you all sorts of unexpected places - I've had some dreams that were straight up anime - and I hardly watch much anymore, but all made up characters. Had 8-bit ones too. Those were interesting. Never know what the mind's gonna do - lucid dreaming though is definitely something worth doing. Gives you that observer role - seems like you've got lucid dreaming pretty nailed down. Everybody should know how to do it. tbh. == well you got away in the dream - there's got to be a bit of lucid in there. Sometimes I can't always control the dreams - often I don't WANT to - I just want to see where they're going to go, and then it becomes a movie where I'm both experiencing and observing at the same time. Other times, I take control, but usually I just like letting the mind do whatever it does. It's entertainment while I sleep. ==