Part of the trouble is our cognitive systems. We can talk about infinity and nothingness freely... work with it, play with it... until we think about it. As concepts, neither one seems to stand up to the test. Our brains _need_ to analogize. If thinking about nothing leaves us with an image of black, then nothing=black. If nothing=a pulling backwards sensation, then that's what nothing is. If nothing=the emotion of confusion, then nothing=confusion. If nothing=a sense of hopelessness, then that's what nothing is. In other words... we're gong to analogize nothing with _something_. We can frame nothing in many ways; use other words like 'void', 'emptiness', but what do _those_ analogize to? A hole in the ground and not knowing where the bottom is? A place where something was, but no longer is? [absence?] I tend to believe that nothing (and infinity by extension) are useful fictions but when we really try to get to the "what" of it, all we have is analogies to other things. That's today's opinion on the topic anyway. Thoughts?