Nicholas Alexander Buckendorf I'm having some good successes hanging out with Engineers on the eng-tips forums. I haven't presented my unfinished ideas to them - probably won't for a long time - but they loved how I summarized my view of the Engineering mindset - three of them just from my first post are going to quote me :) I may never become an Engineer per se but I am definitely a fan. It was the piece missing from Science for me that I had been looking for; where theory and reality meet.