12-Jan-1996 18:08:05 -0800,1731;000000000020 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04757; Fri, 12 Jan 96 18:04:11 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04342; Fri, 12 Jan 96 15:47:22 -0800 Received: from fohnix.metronet.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67f2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA06711; Fri, 12 Jan 96 15:47:19 -0800 Received: by metronet.com id AA16558 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp for tops-20@PANDA.COM); Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:46:57 -0600 From: "Stephen M. Jones" Message-Id: <199601122346.AA16558@metronet.com> Subject: Re: DFWHUG may say GOODBY To: jankowiak@dfwlug.decus.org Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:46:57 -0600 (CST) Cc: tops-20@PANDA.COM In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat - A few weeks ago you asked me if you could publish a notice authored by Charles Horn (DFW Heathkit Users Group) in the DECUS news letter. I was informed that the recent DECUS losing newsletter had the DFWHUG GOODBY message. I've got no problem with that, but I thought I specifically requested that there be a mention of the winning link between DR hacker Gary Kildall, CP/M and TOPS-10. Was there disagreement and comments from the VAX weenies? Please keep up the coverage of ALPHA UNIX. Stephen 06-Mar-1996 12:47:45 -0800,2073;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA07995; Wed, 6 Mar 96 12:37:28 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA07142; Wed, 6 Mar 96 08:00:13 -0800 Received: from dlm.mv.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67f2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA18228; Wed, 6 Mar 96 08:00:09 -0800 Received: (from dlm@localhost) by dlm.mv.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA05627 for tops-20@panda.com; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:00:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:00:05 -0500 From: Dan Murphy Message-Id: <199603061500.KAA05627@dlm.mv.com> To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: A Quote to Savor I've always liked this quote from Ken Thompson, effectively acknowledging TENEX: "I thank the ACM for this award. I can't help but feel that I am receiving this honor for timing and serendipity as much as technical merit. UNIX swept into popularity with an industry-wide change from central main frames to autonomous minis. I suspect that Daniel Bobrow (1) would be here instead of me if he could not afford a PDP-10 and had had to "settle" for a PDP-11." - Ken Thompson, "Reflections on Trusting Trust", ACM Turing Award Lecture, CACM, Vol 27, No. 8, August 1984. Now, thanks to the web, the entire article is available for all to see at: http://www.cs.umsl.edu/~sanjiv/sys_sec/security/thompson/hack.html And on the subject of articles, my writeup of the history of TOPS-20 may be found at: http://www.mv.com/users/murphy/hbook.html Some of the other old papers will also appear there soon. dlm 07-Mar-1996 03:48:54 -0800,7428;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA11128; Thu, 7 Mar 96 03:46:38 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA10867; Thu, 7 Mar 96 02:10:44 -0800 Received: from tymix.tymnet.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67f2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA19439; Thu, 7 Mar 96 02:10:41 -0800 Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10990; Thu, 7 Mar 96 02:08:14 PST Received: from gnsmp-gw by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 7 Mar 96 2:08:14 PST Received: by tardis.tymnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26106; Thu, 7 Mar 96 02:08:12 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 02:08:12 PST From: carl@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Carl A Baltrunas) Message-Id: <9603071008.AA26106@tardis.tymnet.com> To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: Shutdown of the last 4 Tymshare KL-10s Cc: carl@tardis.Tymnet.COM, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM, vsocci@best.com, william.soley@eng.sun.com I'm reprinting here a copy of the message I posted to alt.sys.pdp10 and had forgotten to send off to this list until Joe Smith reminded me today. Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 03:22:52 PDT Organization: Catalyst Art Reply-To: carl@1unique.com, carl@reststop.com or carl@tymnet.com Well, It is time.... they are seriously pursuing the shutdown of the last four KL-10s at Tymshare, a.k.a. MCI these days. As far as I know there will be no hoopla. The machines are scheduled to be decomissioned, shut down, etc. the end of February 1996. They will do final backups of the data, and then start the process of dismantling the machines. I am not sure if they have a buyer for the parts, but if anyone is interested, please contact me, or Joe Smith at MCI and we will put you in contact with the people who are attempting to sell off the hardware. (possibly to Novadyne for parts, or some other group for scrap). Our current PDP-10 applications have been effectively moved off to *nix, IBM or other platforms. One application has been moved off to an XKL TOAD-1 and other than some growing pains and the unfixed bugs in TOPS-20 that we've aggravated by throwing nearly 200 simultaneous users at it. The lifespan of that application is still under debate, but the XKL team has provided necessary support and bug fixes (much faster than I recall DEC ever coming up with a quick fix) along the way. *** If you are seriously interested in these machines, please *** contact me as soon as possible so that I can pass your name *** off to the people trying to dispose of the equipment. We have 4 KL-10s, at least 4 SA-10 interfaces, numerous memorex 3650 and 3652 disk drives and controllers (I forget the 36xx #) on these systems. No NI or CI interfaces as we have our own custom network interface to TYMNET for connectivity. Some number of STC tape drives and controllers as well. All disk/tape drives have been connected via the SA-10 interface. -Carl Baltrunas, MCI Network Services, San Jose. 408-922-6206, carl@tymnet.com, carl@teststop.com You may also contact Joe Smith, MCI Network Services, San Jose. 408-922-6220, jms@tymnet.com, jsmith@inwap.com =========== An update: 06-Mar-96 I am still not aware that any buyers have been lined up, but do not have an inkling of what MCI might consider these machines to be worth. I have a contact from the Computer History Association of California, The Computer Museum (even with all the hoopla about how machines have been cut up and sold) and one or two others. *** If you are at all interested in paying for the decommissioning or *** shipping of these boxes to some other location, please contact me or *** Joe smith at the addresses given above. =========== This is truly the end of an era of 36-bit computing at Tymshare (or whatever we're called these days). At one time, I counted over 40 PDP-10 processors from KA-10's, KI-10's, KL-10's, KS-10's, Foonly F3's and Foonly F4's running various flavors of TENEX and TYMCOM-X (also called TYMCOM-XX on the KS-10) up and running on the network. Tymshare, Inc. as a timesharing service bureau and custom consulting company with their own flavor of operating system and various utilities built out of the Digital Equipment Corporation TOPS-10 5.02 series monitor has now become another milestone in the history of computing. The last 4 systems were powered off on Friday, March 1st, 1996. These were serial numbers 1354 (F34), 1388 (F38), 1421 (F32) and 1427 (F26) where the numbers in parentheses designate the location "F" for Fremont California, and the 2-digit host numbers were the TYMNET host numbers. A fitting eulogy should be written, and I will be soliciting comments and brief stories from many of the people who worked on these machines over the years (if they can still be contacted) in order to make an attempt at one. TYMCOM-X ran most any language that was available for TOPS-10 and many that were ported from Stanford WAITS (such as SAIL) or rewritten from the SDS-940 such as SIMPL. Tymshare ran DEC's F40 compiler and linker 'LOADER' until the very end, long past even the life that DEC envisioned for the product. Database systems such as Software House's 1022 were available and in full production use until last December 18th (1995) when that production system was brought up on an XKL Systems TOAD-1 [and is still running today :-)]. Other than being an orhpan step-child of an operating system, TYMCOM-X had the best of TOPS-10 and TOPS-20; a quick scheduler, a lean operating system, network connectivity, sharable pages by file, fork, absolute memory or absolute disk page (your choice, depending upon privileges), license or capability flags which could be placed on jobs, forks or programs with more security than TOPS-20 file and directory groups since a program could be setup with directory access privileges which ordinary users could not override. The last major monitor version was P036/E with a couple of revisions and patches. (What decent monitor was ever worth anything without patches ;-) It's an amazing system. And now it is gone. ..but not forgotten. Novadyne Computer Systems is in the throes of disconnecting cables to Memorex 3650 and 3652 disk drives, System Concept's SA-10s, STC tape drives and AMPEX ARM-10 LX memory boxes. At least one system is reported as completely de-installed, the rest will soon follow. No firm date for when the boxes will be dropped off the loading dock... er.. um... I mean.. shipped out to whomever claims them... let's hope that they are either purchased by someone who wants one or more in working order or that they are donated to a worthy Museum or Historical Society. However, they are moving pretty quick to de-install them, I wouldn't wait long if you are interested in getting one of these systems intact. -Carl Carl A Baltrunas; MCI Network Services, DSO; Product & Technical Support (408) 922-6206 Systems Technical Support, San Jose, California. carl@tymnet.com, carl@reststop.com, carl@1unique.com 17-May-1996 09:14:28 -0700,1385;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Fri, 17 May 1996 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA09835; Fri, 17 May 96 09:14:26 -0700 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA09817; Fri, 17 May 96 09:13:56 -0700 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA27750; Fri, 17 May 96 09:13:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin To: TOPS-20 Hackers and Yackers Subject: 13 YEARS AGO TODAY: June 17, 1983 - PDP-10 massacre day Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, friends, it's time once again for a moment of silence. 13 years ago today, in the wake of the failure of the Jupiter project, the infamous decision was made to kill the PDP-10. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 842-0758 ICBM: N 47.36'24" W 122.34'08" TOPS-20: A Great Improvement Over Its Successors 17-May-1996 11:32:34 -0700,1335;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Fri, 17 May 1996 11:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA10343; Fri, 17 May 96 11:32:32 -0700 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA10333; Fri, 17 May 96 11:32:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67f2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA22493; Fri, 17 May 96 11:32:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: 13 YEARS AGO TODAY: June 17, 1983 - PDP-10 massacre day To: Jim Lewinson Cc: TOPS-20 Hackers and Yackers In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 May 96 11:16:04 PDT, Jim Lewinson wrote: > Today is May 17, not June 17. Something doesn't match up here... Yes, I mistyped. Today's the day; it was May 17, not June 17. 17-May-1996 13:44:02 -0700,2219;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Fri, 17 May 1996 13:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA10736; Fri, 17 May 96 13:43:59 -0700 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Fri, 17 May 1996 13:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA10716; Fri, 17 May 96 13:43:21 -0700 Received: from UW-Gateway.Panda.COM by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA04058; Fri, 17 May 96 13:43:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin To: TOPS-20 Hackers and Yackers Subject: The address for this list is tops-20@panda.com, not tops20@panda.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Beware!! Boobytrap alert! The address "tops20@panda.com" (note the missing hyphen) is used by the infamous "Krazy Kevin" Lipsitz for his magazine ads. He apparently got this misspelled form from some list-of-lists. It forwards directly to the America Online abuse line, since that's what "Krazy Kevin" is using to spew his garbage. I got tired of having to intercept/filter them out, or getting the bounce reports from AOL ("disk quota exceeded"/"account closed") that's why. Several of these messages happen every week, much more than the normal traffic on the TOPS-20 list. By making it forward directly, it becomes AOL's problem and not mine. So, please be careful to use the correct spelling of the list name, with a hyphen. Dan Murphy fell into the trap (sorry Dan!) but I'm sure that you prefer it to getting lots of magazine ads.... ;-) When an end is finally put to "Krazy Kevin" (I understand that AOL is working on major legal action), I'll turn off the boobytrap. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 842-0758 ICBM: N 47.36'24" W 122.34'08" TOPS-20: A Great Improvement Over Its Successors 19-Jun-1996 15:46:16 -0700,2979;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA17227; Wed, 19 Jun 96 15:46:13 -0700 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA14060; Tue, 18 Jun 96 21:01:57 -0700 Received: from mathom.xkl.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67f2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA29063; Tue, 18 Jun 96 21:01:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:41:09 -0700 From: Robert Michaels Subject: JOB POSTING - HW ENGINEER To: tops-20@panda.com Organization: XKL Systems Inc Location: Redmond, Wa Message-Id: <13173300548.23.MICHAELS@mathom.xkl.com> Since we build DEC-20 clones I thought it might be appropriate to forward this listing to this group. The big boss has some really exciting plans for which we could use some help. Robert ------------------------------------------- Develop State-of-the-Art Digital Hardware in Washington State XKL Systems Corp. is a small, fairly new company in Redmond, Washington which manufactures special-purpose computing systems. We are just beginning to develop a new product line in digital communications based on our present technology. XKL is looking for HARDWARE ENGINEERING candidates which have at least 5 years' experience with PCB-level high-speed digital design, including familiarity with microcontroller technology and design using FPGAs/PLDs. TTL and ECL circuits will be used in a mixed environment. Our boards will operate at agressive clock rates. The position also requires hands-on lab prototyping and testing and familiarity with schematic entry and PCB layout (you do your own). Knowledge of RF, ASIC design techniques and/or diagnostic software is a PLUS. EMI experience and solutions are highly desirable. The successful candidate must have completed at least one major design project, through manufacturing introduction. All candidates should be creative and self-motivated, possess strong analytical skills, good interpersonal skills and be comfortable in a small team setting. Excellent verbal and written communication skills are absolutely necessary. Salary will be negotiated. XKL has a typical benefits package including medical and dental insurance and a 401(k) plan. Please send your resume via either: e-mail HR@xkl.com (ascii text), fax (206) 861-7863, US mail XKL Systems Corp. 8420 154th Avenue NE Redmond, Washington 98052 Principals only, please. ------- 15-Sep-1996 23:36:41 -0700,3490;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.0(2); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA26168; Sun, 15 Sep 96 23:36:39 -0700 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.0(2) for tops-20; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA26123; Sun, 15 Sep 96 23:26:12 -0700 Received: from amdext.amd.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id XAA25590; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amdint.amd.com by amdext.amd.com with SMTP id AA11370 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD for ); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:24:22 -0700 Received: from dvorak.amd.com by amdint.amd.com with SMTP id AA11155 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD for ); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:24:21 -0700 Received: by dvorak.amd.com (4.1/AMDSN-1.18) id AA11400; Mon, 16 Sep 96 01:24:20 CDT Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 01:24:20 CDT Message-Id: <9609160624.AA11400@dvorak.amd.com> From: Clive Dawson To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: [rmp@MA.UltraNet.Com: Alan Kotok retirement (fwd)] Hi Folks, Here's some news about one of the most notable of our 36-Bit Pioneers. After all the computer retirements we've heard about on this list, this is a refreshing contrast...! Clive Dawson Advanced Micro Devices Austin, TX ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:40:02 +0000 () From: Robert Praetorius X-Sender: rmp@popj1.ultranet.com To: stanley@ultranet.com, wrecks@wave.sheridan.wy.us, GAScott@aol.com, PLevine@OpenEnv.Com, Skaltsis@gemgrp.enet.dec.com Cc: Withers@specxn.enet.dec.com, Sven.Pretorious@on-ramp.ior.com, hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu, PatHardy@Well.Com, Clive.Dawson@amd.com, jsmith@inwap.com, engine@chac.org, janlee@vtopus.cs.vt.edu, porter@mu.ultranet.com, smw@world.std.com, ridder@zso.dec.com, glaser@lkg.dec.com, grossman@cygnus.com, tarnold@star.zko.dec.com, tpb@zk3.dec.com, holstein@aosg.enet.dec.com Subject: Alan Kotok retirement (fwd) This is to let you know that after 34 years with Digital, Alan Kotok has decided to take early retirement. It will take effect from the end of November. In the intervening weeks Alan will be on a leave of absence, however he will be continue to be on-line via email at . Near the end of November we will be organizing a social event to celebrate Alan's career and many achievements in Digital and to wish him well for the future. Please send me a note if you wish to be notified. Please also feel free to forward this announcement. /Bill Laing ____________________________________________________________________________ Bill.laing@AltaVista.Digital.com Tel: +44-1506-423262 DTN: 824-3262 Internet Software Business Unit Fax: +44-1506-423366 DTN: 824-3366 Digital Equipment Corporation http://altavista.software.digital.com ____________________________________________________________________________ --- End of forwarded message --- 24-Oct-1996 11:38:45 -0700,2120;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(3) (invoked by user mrc); Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA21003; Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:38:42 -0700 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(3) for tops-20; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA20859; Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:33:34 -0700 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id LAA28162; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02536; Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:30:28 PDT Received: from jomis by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 24 Oct 0 11:30:28 PDT Received: by jomis.tymnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21951; Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:30:17 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:30:17 PDT From: jms@jomis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Message-Id: <9610241830.AA21951@jomis.tymnet.com> To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: ITS networking facilities I am curious about this as well. -Joe ----- Begin Included Message ----- From dantso@cris.com Thu Oct 24 09:15:54 1996 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:09:16 -0500 From: "Daniel Ts'o" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jsmith@inwap.com Subject: ITS networking facilities Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 347 As an apparently PDP-10 fan, I wonder if you could help me answer a question: Apparently the ITS operating system had some form of networked file system similar to NFS. Where can I find out details ? Also, did ITS have some form of networked remote command execution facility, similar to UNIX rsh ? Pointers as to where to find out ? Thanks. ----- End Included Message ----- 14-Nov-1996 11:37:51 -0800,3643;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) (invoked by user mrc) for t20arc; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12709; Thu, 14 Nov 96 11:37:48 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04413; Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:35:27 -0800 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id LAA14838; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19195; Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:33:36 PST Received: from jomis by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 13 Nov 0 11:33:36 PDT Received: by jomis.tymnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18307; Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:33:22 PST Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:33:22 PST From: jms@jomis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Message-Id: <9611131933.AA18307@jomis.tymnet.com> To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: Where is John Goltz? This message came from a viewer of http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/. Can anyone help him? -Joe ----- Begin Included Message ----- From wrscott@vivanet.com Sat Nov 9 15:15:06 1996 Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 17:29:03 -0800 From: Gudrun Scott Reply-To: wrscott@vivanet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jsmith@inwap.com Subject: Where is John Goltz? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1470 Joe, I just discovered your PDP-10 page. I started programming PDP-10s in 1969, working for several timesharing startups. Eventually I developed the FORTRAN debugger RAID, which I then licensed to several PDP-10 timesharing companies, and others. Ever hear of it? DEC was going to buy it from me but chose to steal it instead. I often wonder if I should have sued. I have occasionally wondered whatever happened to Dr. John Goltz, who started Compuserve. So I was naturally interested in the Trevor Alexander note to Joe Dempster detailing early Compuserve history. All of us who tried to turn them things into something commercially profitable seemed to know each other at that time. I see a lot of parallels between the development of timesharing and internetting. I was the senior systems programmer at Graphic Controls when it was bought by Tymshare in 1971 (that's how Tymshare got a few of its first PDP-10s). I sometimes regret not accepting Tymshare's offer to bring me along with the computers to Cupertino. There was a nice husband and wife team in charge of opsys stuff I would have worked for. Keep up the good work on the page, and let me know if you have a line on John. Also, going back even earlier, does anyone know what became of Shelly Boylan, who worked on one of the first multiprogrammed (and multi-user) PDP-1s? I haven't seen him since the early '70s. Yours truly, Ross Scott voice:607-478-8793 ----- End Included Message ----- Joe Smith jms@inwap.com jms@jomis.tymnet.com day_phone: (408)922-6220 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (2 Tymshare PDP-10 clones) INWAP.COM is Joe and Sally Smith, John and Chris O'Halloran and our cats See http://www.inwap.com/ for "ReBoot", PDP-10, and Clan MacLeod. 14-Nov-1996 11:38:35 -0800,1484;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) (invoked by user mrc) for t20arc; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12725; Thu, 14 Nov 96 11:38:32 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12267; Thu, 14 Nov 96 09:14:34 -0800 Received: from mathom.xkl.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id JAA15995; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:14:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:14:15 -0800 From: Rich Alderson Subject: Accounts on toad.xkl.com To: tops-20@panda.com Message-Id: <13212267725.15.ALDERSON@mathom.xkl.com> We at XKL Systems would like to invite the members of the (dwindling) Tops-20 community to try out their favourite programs on a ToaD-1, our implementation of the PDP-10 architecture. I administer this system, which is owned by Customer Service. If you are interested, please contact me, by e-mail or by calling XKL Systems at (206) 869-9050, to set up an account. Rich Alderson ------- 23-Nov-1996 00:10:12 -0800,2403;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) (invoked by user mrc) for t20arc; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA13595; Sat, 23 Nov 96 00:10:08 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA13413; Fri, 22 Nov 96 23:04:04 -0800 Received: from mail1.digital.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id XAA07464; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by mail1.digital.com (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA14657; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:56:34 -0800 Received: from decwet.enet by mts-gw.pa.dec.com (5.65/09May94) id AA22446; Fri, 22 Nov 96 22:56:14 -0800 Message-Id: <9611230656.AA22446@mts-gw.pa.dec.com> Received: from decwet.enet; by decpa.enet; Fri, 22 Nov 96 22:56:15 PST Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 22:56:15 PST From: Pat Tressel To: tops-20@panda.com Cc: tressel@decwet.ENET.dec.com Apparently-To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: RE: Where is John Goltz? Joe, Ross -- > I have occasionally wondered whatever happened to Dr. John Goltz, who > started Compuserve. Just on the off-chance, I tried an AltaVista search using the name "John Goltz". The very first match reads: Who is John Goltz? John Goltz, PhD is the President and a general Partner of Allegro Systems, Ltd. Below is a resume of his experience to date.... http://www.allegrosys.com/jrgres.html - size 4K - 6 Nov 95 This page is no longer present, but that may just be because their Web site has gotten more formal. Still, Allegro Systems may be a good starting point. Their contact info is: Allegro Systems, Limited 2233 E. Speedway Boulevard Tucson, AZ 85719, U.S.A. 1(520)795-6000 sales@allegrosys.com http://www.allegrosys.com/ (Since the second item returned by the AltaVista search was for a different Goltz, that first hit is probably the only one.) -- Pat Tressel 25-Nov-1996 12:31:27 -0800,7822;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) (invoked by user mrc) for t20arc; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA23535; Mon, 25 Nov 96 12:31:23 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA23475; Mon, 25 Nov 96 12:20:23 -0800 Received: from mail12.digital.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id MAA09996; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cst.ljo.dec.com by mail12.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) id PAA24175; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cst.ljo.dec.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BBDAE1.83C4CC30@cst.ljo.dec.com>; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:01:19 -0500 Message-Id: From: Bob Supnik To: "'TOPS-20@PANDA.COM'" , "'ITS-LOVERS@AI.MIT.EDU'" Cc: "'klh@netcom.com'" , Bob Supnik Subject: Home hobbyist license for Digital's 36b software Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:01:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are a home collector of Digital's 36b systems, you can now get a free, personal use, non-commercial license for your existing system software (TOPS-10, TOPS-20, and related layered products and utilities). Simply fill in the attached license form and return it to Dick Greeley in Digital's Corporate Licensing Office (rgreeley@powdml.enet.dec.com). This license grants you a free, as is, non-commercial license for using 36b software on a home system. You must already have, or have access to, the software itself; the license does NOT include any distribution medium, documentation, or support. /Bob Supnik /Digital Equipment Corporation -------------------------------------------------------------------- LICENSE AGREEMENT This Agreement, dated ________________, is entered into by Digital Equipment Corporation, a Massachusetts corporation with principal offices at 111 Powdermill Road, Maynard, MA 01752 (DIGITAL), and _____________________________________________ having a residence at ___________________________________________________________________ ("CUSTOMER"). Whereas, DIGITAL has developed TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 Operating System software technology and is prepared to grant a non-exclusive license to use such software technology for personal, non-commercial purposes; Whereas, CUSTOMER desires to enter into a License Agreement which will allow CUSTOMER to use such software technology at his or her residence for personal, non-commercial purposes; DIGITAL and CUSTOMER agree as follows: 1 DEFINITIONS SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY shall mean the sources and binaries to the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 (operating systems), and associated utilities and layered products that run on PDP-10 computers. DIGITAL'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS shall mean DIGITAL's patent, copyright and trade secret rights in its SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 2 LICENSE GRANT DIGITAL grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under DIGITAL's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to use and modify the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY solely for personal, non-commercial uses. 3 TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER AND ACCEPTANCE 3.1 CUSTOMER is responsible for obtaining copies of SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY and accepts the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY "AS IS". 3.2 DIGITAL is under no obligation to supply SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY, documentation, error corrections or updates to the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY if or when they become available, or to provide training, support or consulting for the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 4 WARRANTY DISCLAIMER/LIMITATION OF LIABILITY DIGITAL DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO ANY SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY LICENSED TO CUSTOMER HEREUNDER, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL DIGITAL BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE OR DATA, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF ANY SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY LICENSED HEREUNDER. 5 INDEMNITY CUSTOMER will hold DIGITAL harmless against all liabilities, demands, damages, expenses, or losses arising out of use by CUSTOMER of SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY or information furnished under this Agreement. 6 TERM AND TERMINATION 6.1 This Agreement shall be effective until otherwise terminated. Either party may terminate this Agreement at any time upon 30 days written notice. 6.2 If CUSTOMER shall fail to perform or observe any of the terms and conditions to be performed or observed by it under this Agreement, DIGITAL may in its sole discretion thereafter elect to terminate this Agreement, and this Agreement and all the obligations owed and rights granted herein to CUSTOMER shall immediately terminate. 6.3 The parties agree that the termination of this Agreement shall not release either party from any other liability which shall have accrued to the other party at the time such termination becomes effective, nor affect in any manner the survival of any right, duty or obligation of either party. 6.4 In the event of any termination of this Agreement for any reason, CUSTOMER shall delete all original and all whole or partial copies and derivatives of the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY from his or her computer system. CUSTOMER further shall cease to use and distribute the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY in all forms immediately upon the date of termination. 7 GENERAL TERMS 7.1 This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 7.2 This Agreement imposes personal obligations on CUSTOMER. CUSTOMER shall not assign any rights under this Agreement not specifically transferable by its terms without the written consent of DIGITAL. 7.3 The SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY obtained under this Agreement may be subject to US and other government export control regulations. CUSTOMER assures that it will comply with these regulations whenever it exports or re-exports a controlled product or technical data obtained from DIGITAL or any product produced directly from the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 7.4 The waiver of a breach hereunder may be effected only by a writing signed by the waiving party and shall not constitute a waiver of any other breach. 7.5 CUSTOMER acknowledges that he has read this Agreement, understands it and agrees to be bound by its terms and further agrees that it is the complete and exclusive statement of the Agreement between the parties which supersedes all communications and understanding between the parties relating to the subject matter of this Agreement. When sending e-mail, please use bob.supnik@ljo.dec.com 11-Dec-1996 11:04:10 -0800,2337;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) (invoked by user mrc) for t20arc; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04757; Wed, 11 Dec 96 11:04:08 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04670; Wed, 11 Dec 96 10:43:18 -0800 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id KAA16999; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03368; Wed, 11 Dec 96 10:40:12 PST Received: from jomis by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 11 Dec 0 10:40:11 PDT Received: by jomis.tymnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19382; Wed, 11 Dec 96 10:40:03 PST Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 10:40:03 PST From: jms@jomis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Message-Id: <9612111840.AA19382@jomis.tymnet.com> To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: RP06 Manuals ----- Begin Included Message ----- From kavli@ns.datadesign.se Wed Dec 11 09:15:21 1996 To: jsmith@inwap.com Subject: RP06 Manuals Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:47:38 +0100 From: "Ronny H. Kavli" Content-Length: 727 Hi, You shouldn't possibly know where to obtain the head alignment section from the RP06 Users Guide. The problem is that Ludd (The computer society at Lulea University) has a KS (2020) with an unreadable red-pack. We have the disk alignment kit, but no manuals on how to use it. We will not trash our last RP06 just because we made some foolish error either. Any help would be highly appreciated. Best Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ronny H. Kavli Tel. +46-(0)920 89 333 Systems Engineer/Network Consultant Fax. +46-(0)920 21 13 00 DataDesign Scandinavia AB Mob. +46-(0)70 548 72 13 ----- End Included Message ----- 19-Dec-1996 17:40:42 -0800,1871;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) (invoked by user mrc) for t20arc; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA09993; Thu, 19 Dec 96 17:40:39 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA09853; Thu, 19 Dec 96 16:56:49 -0800 Received: from opost.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id QAA01640; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dlm@localhost) by opost.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA15023 for TOPS-20@Panda.COM; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:57:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:57:50 -0500 From: Dan Murphy Message-Id: <199612192357.SAA15023@opost.com> To: TOPS-20@Panda.COM Subject: Early PDP-6 Story The following comes from Dit Morse, the original author of PIP, and thus reported from first-hand knowledge. The "Ken" is Ken Olsen, and we're talking PDP-6 pre-ship days here! - dlm ================================= > From dit@cisco.com Thu Dec 19 18:26:21 1996 > Ken took a group of potential customers into the Bldg 12 PDP-6 > lab in the preship days to give a quick demo - using PIP (anyone > can use it, right) to demonstrate how easy it was to transfer > data between any media. Requested a transfer from the line printer to > DECTape ;-). Got the message > "You can't do input from the line printer, you gnerd." > Wasn't amused. Let us know. 19-Dec-1996 18:04:02 -0800,1849;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for t20arc; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA09993; Thu, 19 Dec 96 17:40:39 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA09853; Thu, 19 Dec 96 16:56:49 -0800 Received: from opost.com by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id QAA01640; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dlm@localhost) by opost.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA15023 for TOPS-20@Panda.COM; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:57:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:57:50 -0500 From: Dan Murphy Message-Id: <199612192357.SAA15023@opost.com> To: TOPS-20@Panda.COM Subject: Early PDP-6 Story The following comes from Dit Morse, the original author of PIP, and thus reported from first-hand knowledge. The "Ken" is Ken Olsen, and we're talking PDP-6 pre-ship days here! - dlm ================================= > From dit@cisco.com Thu Dec 19 18:26:21 1996 > Ken took a group of potential customers into the Bldg 12 PDP-6 > lab in the preship days to give a quick demo - using PIP (anyone > can use it, right) to demonstrate how easy it was to transfer > data between any media. Requested a transfer from the line printer to > DECTape ;-). Got the message > "You can't do input from the line printer, you gnerd." > Wasn't amused. Let us know. 20-Dec-1996 08:27:30 -0800,1340;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(5) (invoked by user mrc) for t20arc; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12419; Fri, 20 Dec 96 08:27:27 -0800 Errors-To: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Sender: tops-20-request@Panda.COM Precedence: bulk Reminder: To post to the list, send mail to tops-20@Panda.COM Reminder: To [un]subscribe, send mail to tops-20-request@Panda.COM Received: via tmail-4.1(5) for tops-20; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.edu by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA12185; Fri, 20 Dec 96 07:12:37 -0800 Received: from curly.cc.utexas.edu by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (8.7.5/UW-NDC Revision: 2.28 ) id HAA03082; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dak@localhost) by curly.cc.utexas.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/cc-uts-1.13) id JAA05696 for tops-20@panda.com; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:09:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 9:09:59 CST From: Don Kassebaum To: tops-20@panda.com Subject: Happy Dec 10 day Message-Id: Are there any DECsystems 10 or 20 still running? Are there any tops20 emulator available? Thanks, Dak