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An Onipa'a Software Production        Vol. 9, No. 2 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                            TABLE OF CONTENTS                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                            February 15, 2006HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN]     Back on the Farm - The Grove     Computers and EnergyA2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS------------[DAS]     Alpha Release of the Generic Tile Engine (GTE)-------------------[GTE]     DiskMaker 8 Version 1.1 Released---------------------------------[DMR]     ORCA/M Help------------------------------------------------------[OMH]     ORCA/C Help------------------------------------------------------[OCH]     MediaBlender Has Roots in GSoft----------------------------------[MBR]     Juiced.GS V10I4 Another Hit--------------------------------------[JAH]     Work Begins on Second Volume of GS Plus CD Set-------------------[GSP]     IIgs Emulator for the x86 Mac OS X Machine?----------------------[EIX]     Sweet16 Built and Running on Intel Macs--------------------------[SIM]     KEGS for Windows-------------------------------------------------[KFW]     Assembly Language Programming for the 8-bit Apple II-------------[ALP]     The Weekly e-newsletter This Is True-----------------------------[TIT]     ID That Font-----------------------------------------------------[IDF]ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM------------------------------------------[ANS]     To Sign up for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[TSU]LETTERS TO THE EDITOR-------------------------------------------------[LTE]     Setting the Record Straight     An InvitationKFEST 2006------------------------------------------------------------[KF6]     KansasFest 2006--------------------------------------------------[KFS]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].[OPN]-------------------------------         HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |------------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>                       Back on the Farm - The Grove                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     The tight supply of energy, resulting in higher prices, brings to mindthe grove of trees back on the (Minnesota) farm.     Every farm had a cluster of buildings... house, barn, hog house,chicken house, etc.  To the North and West of the buildings was a bufferzone of trees and shrubs.  Called The Grove, these trees and shrubs brokethe prevailing Northwest wind... making it easier to heat the house.     The house was heated with a pot bellied stove using wood from thegrove as fuel... a truly sustainable fuel source some sixty years ago.  (Itis said that wood is the fuel that warms you twice... once when youcut/split it and again when you burn it.)     The grove also provided a place for the children to play... and plentyof squirrels and rabbits for the dog to chase.                           Computers and Energy                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     Certainly the thousands of computers as a total consume greatquantities of energy.  They also make it possible to conserve energy sincesome people can work from home or other areas remote from the work to bedone.     So practice wise use of energy to keep warm or cool while you enjoyyour Apple II's.[EOA]ASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA][DAS]----------------------------------------------DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com  |                                  (A2Central.com) |---------------------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[GTE]Alpha Release of the Generic Tile Engine (GTE)""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Hi,For anyone who doesn't follow csa2p, I'd like to announce the Alpha releaseof the Generic Tile Engine (GTE). Here is a copy of the message posted tothe newsgroup.I'm pleased to announce that after 8 years of on-again, off-again effort,v1.0 alpha of the Generic Tile Engine (GTE) library has been released.  Itis currently available in source code form at   http://iigs.dreamhost.com/gte/gte.htmlI plan to provide emulator-friendly downloads with the beta release.Currently the documentation is incomplete and I would like to write anin-depth tutorial as well. If anyone has an interest in creating atile-based GS-only game, I invite you to give this library a try.Also, I welcome feedback on the documentation as well as the code asprovided.  This is an alpha release, which means I consider itfeature-complete, but there are undoubtedly many bugs remaining. I willexpand the online documentation as time permits and questions are raised.Hopefully, by releasing things in an unfinished state, this will pressureme into continuing to support this project. :)Here is a partial list of the features supported by GTE in its currentstate:  * Tiles of size 4x4, 8x8, or 16x16  * Up to full-screen (320x200) playing fields  * 8-way scrolling  * Independent Foreground and Background tile layers (for parallax    effects)  * Fringe tile layer  * Mask tile layer for per-pixel masking of sprites, e.g. put sprites    behind fences  * Up to 32 dynamic tiles on screen  * Up to 32 sprites on-screen  * Up to 256 tiles on-screen per layer  * Support for Windows BMP files  * Compiled sprites with support for horizontal and vertical mirroring  * Use of Object Attribute Memory (similar to the NES) for controlling    sprites  * Logical palette binding  * Interrupt-friendly.  Interrupts are never disabled for more than a few    hundred microseconds.I am especially interested in hearing about any additional features peoplewould like. I plan to add a high-level sprite and animation manager to theengine, but I'm sure there are other obvious items to add.I look forward to everyone's feedback.-Lucas(LSCHAREN, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 88)[EOA][DMR]DiskMaker 8 Version 1.1 Released""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I have updated DiskMaker 8 disk image utility, which now offers faster5.25" disk formatting, the ability to boot from your newly-created diskwhen it's finished writing, and support for DOS 3.3 volume numbers.  Getyour copy today!  Feedback always appreciated.-- Markhttp://www.syndicomm.com/~mark/DM8/(MARK, Cat 20, Top 22, Msg 8)[EOA][OMH]ORCA/M Help"""""""""""Hi,Is there an option to turn off the generation of .ROOT files using theassembler?  Something along the lines of #pragma noroot in ORCA/C.  I'mtrying to streamline my library build script and the fact that someassembly file generate both a .a and .root file is a little strange,especially since the documentation says that .root files should justcontain initialization code.I've misplaced my ORCA/M manual, so any help is appreciated.Thanks,-Lucas(LSCHAREN, Cat 22, Top 4, Msg 1)>>>>>"""""ORCA/M puts the main code in the .ROOT file.  Only stuff for other segmentsgo in .A, .B, etc.  So you don't want to get rid of .ROOT -- that's yourmain code. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 22, Top 4, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""I don't like .root files either, but you'll need to edit the orca/m sourceto get rid of them.  It would be nice to have an option to get rid of them.When mixing asm and c/pascal code, linking the asm objects first can causemajor problems -- it's safer to stick an empty dummy segment at the start.Kelvin.(KWS, Cat 22, Top 4, Msg 3)>>>>>"""""Hmmm....then I'd think that it shouldn't be generating any .root files.All of my code lives in its own segment, and all of the .root files containjust the first function in the ASM file.So, if my code looks like thissubrtn1 start MYSEG        endsubrtn2 start MYSEG        endsubrtn3 start MYSEG        end..Then the .root file contains "subrtn1" and the .a file contains everythingelse.   Since none of the code is in the default segment, shouldn't it allgo into the .a?  Bug or not?I'm thinking of working around this by adding aDUMMY start MYSEG      endto the top of all my files.  That way I can just link in the .a files andget all my code.  Thoughts?-Lucas(LSCHAREN, Cat 22, Top 4, Msg 4)>>>>>""""">> I'm thinking of working around this by adding a>>>>DUMMY start MYSEG>>      endYes, this is the way you normally get around this problem.  There'sactually sample code that does exactly this. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 22, Top 4, Msg 5)>>>>>"""""The first omf segment (regardless of the name, segment name, or type) goesinto the .root file.Kelvin.(KWS, Cat 22, Top 4, Msg 6)[EOA][OCH]ORCA/C Help"""""""""""Hi,I posted this is csa2p, but I think I'll actually get a response here.  Itripped over this problem while trying to get ORCA/C to access anexternally defined array which lives in a separate segment.  I'd like toaccess it without resorting to the large memory model.  The bad behavioronly shows up when I turn on bit 0 of the optimization flags. Any thoughts?*** Assembly File ***; Note that this data region is in its own segment "GTE"Globals data GTEOAM  entry     ds MAXSPRITES*SizeofOAM     end*** Header File ***typedef struct {  int x;  int y;  unsigned int flags;  Sprite *sprite;} OAMEntry;/* Notice the "extern" declaration */extern OAMEntry OAM[MAX_SPRITES];*** C code ***OAM[0].x = 0;OAM[0].y = 0;OAM[0].flags = 0;OAM[0].sprite = sprite;And the resulting compile code from "dumpobj +D"00015A 00007C |          STZ   OAM000163 00007F |          STZ   (OAM+$00000002)000173 000082 |          STZ   (OAM+$00000004)000183 000085 |          LDX   $09000186 000087 |          LDA   $07000188 000089 |          STX   (OAM+$00000008)000197 00008C |          STA   (OAM+$00000006)Notice that ORCA generated STZ opcodes which use absolute addressing, eventhough the OAM array is declared as extern.-Lucas(LSCHAREN, Cat 22, Top 5, Msg 24)>>>>>"""""Unfortunately, all global data is presumed to be in the same segment unlessyou use the large memory model.You'll either have to use the large memory model or use assembly code toaccess the data.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 22, Top 5, Msg 25)>>>>>"""""You could also access the data via a pointer, or add some new features toorca/c.Kelvin.(KWS, Cat 22, Top 5, Msg 26)[EOA][MBR]MediaBlender Has Roots in GSoft"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Mike Westerfield of The Byteworks recently mentioned in an email to me:"that a successor of GSoft is now the scripting language in MediaBlender."http://www.tech4learning.com/mediablender/index.html(KGAGNE, Cat 22, Top 10, Msg 16)>>>>>"""""A little off-topic, but let me plug another product of theirs, called"Simply VR" which stitches Quicktime VR Panoramas and VR "models" for only$30.http://www.tech4learning.com/simplyvr/index.htmlAn example of the output of the latter can be seen athttp://homepage.mac.com/thomascompter/Mercia/Characters/encumbered.htmlDon't expect miracles-- It only does "1-layer" panoramas, so you can't dothe full spherical stuff, but for the occasional hobbyist, it's a gooddeal._________  | homas(TCOMPTER, Cat 22, Top 10, Msg 17)[EOA][JAH]Juiced.GS V10I4 Another Hit"""""""""""""""""""""""""""All subscribers' copies of Juiced.GS V10I4 have been mailed.  Enjoy!Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 23, Top 2, Msg 703)>>>>>"""""Enjoy the swimsuit cover ;-)RyanChief Sysop and Head Geek(A2.RYAN, Cat 23, Top 2, Msg 704)>>>>>"""""My Juiced.GS arrived on Saturday and it seems it got put on a stack andshoved in a corner thus I've not read the whole thing yet.  So far I'menjoying the issue.  Looks like I am going to have to have a talk with mywife about where they go:)Dain(A2.DAIN, Cat 23, Top 2, Msg 705)>>>>>"""""I really like Kirk's article on the Gatorbox.  Makes me want to set apermanent search on eBay for one. :)_________  | homas(TCOMPTER, Cat 23, Top 2, Msg 706)>>>>>"""""Juiced.GS arrived in Quebec.  Another great issue.Thank you Ryan for your 4 years at the Juiced.GS helm.  Ken has a tough actto follow.-- Mark(MARK, Cat 23, Top 2, Msg 707)[EOA][GSP]Work Begins on Second Volume of GS Plus CD Set""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I am beginning work on the second volume of the GS Plus CD set.Any suggestions?RyanChief Sysop and Head Geek(A2.RYAN, Cat 24, Top 38, Msg 7)[EOA][EIX]IIgs Emulator for the x86 Mac OS X Machine?"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""As I just got a x86 Mac OS X machine up and running, I'm somewhatClassicless, meaning no Bernie.  Can I hear some suggestions for a nativeOS X substitute?  I've looked myself, but want to hear from others :)RyanChief Sysop and Head Geek(A2.RYAN, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 175)>>>>>"""""Compile KEGS for Intel Mac.  That is your only option for a fully native GSemulator.  Skip that universal nonsense.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 176)>>>>>"""""What's wrong with building a Universal Binary?  That runs natively on bothIntel and PowerPC chips.I think you're confusing "Universal Binary" with the Rosetta emulationenvironment.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 177)>>>>>"""""No, I'm just pushing for obsolescence of the PowerPC architecture.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 178)>>>>>"""""I can't imagine why anyone would be in a rush to live in a world that's allIntel processors.Icky. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 179)>>>>>"""""Apple already made the decision to move towards intel, so it is ourresponsibility as technologists to ensure the best future forcompatibility. We can live in the past to support the Apple II, but we haveto live in the future to make the best decisions for what we will be using.Steve Jobs is pushing for the end of the Power PC so we have to try to beone step ahead by ensuring that we are looking forward to where Apple isgoing.For desktop applications, x86 hardware is more than acceptable.  If youwant to talk servers, then I can agree the world is better off with non-x86(but not using Macs).Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 180)>>>>>"""""Well, ignoring the millions of people who already have PowerPC Macs is nota good way to sell your software. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 181)>>>>>"""""Maybe its the environment which I am in, but the early adaptors and leadinginnovations is a much more interesting area to promote and push.Ten years ago, Bernie was a great example of this concept when it brokeground back in 1996 (trying desperately to get this thread back to somesort of relevancy).Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 193)[EOA][SIM]Sweet16 Built and Running on Intel Macs"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I have Sweet16 built and running on Intel Macs now:http://homepage.mac.com/sheppy/sweet1.pngTook about an hour to get it running.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 182)>>>>>"""""Well, interestingly, given that the Sweet16 build for PowerPC isn'tfunctional when built in Xcode, I'm pretty much focusing on the Intelversion for now.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 29, Top 21, Msg 184)[EOA][KFW]KEGS for Windows""""""""""""""""Geoff,I followed your instructions to compile KEGS from the Dec 2005 JuicedGS andit works! However, why is the length of kegswin.exe when I compile it431,844 bytes and the v0.91 already compiled by Kent 413,192 bytes?The reason I tried compiling was to attempt to fix the F2 key to alias forthe option key (as it's supposed to), however F2 on my system maps to theback-arrow. Do you know how to fix this?-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 45)>>>>>"""""Of course the instructions work ;)  And since Jeff mentioned it, astep-by-step method to compile KEGS under Windows and UNIX is now found inthe latest issue of Juiced.GS.  It is much better than anything I mighthave alluded to with postings here.Size differences of the binary may be a factor of which version of gcc isused.  Different versions of gcc have different optimizations.Windows key code translation can be found in windriver.c.  UNIX key codetranslations can be found in xdriver.c.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 46)>>>>>"""""F2 is supposed to be an alias for the closed-apple or option key in KEGS,but it maps as the back-arrow instead.Can anyone tell me exactly what in the code needs to be changed to fixthis?-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 47)>>>>>"""""Geoff,After I recompile KEGS via your instructions, I can only run it from thecygwin shell. Do you know what is needed to make it runable from Windows?-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 48)>>>>>"""""Geoff,Another issue I have is after I recompile KEGS, there is no sound. If I tryto force it on with the -audio 1 switch when starting KEGS from the shell Iget an error:win32snd_initUnable to send back audio rate to parentret: -1 fd: -1, errno: 9What's wrong? Kent's pre-compiled kegswin.exe image sound works properly.(FINKSTERJ, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 49)>>>>>"""""Sounds like you didn't use the correct vars file.  The first step I takewhen I get a new copy of the KEGS source is to get rid of vars and symlinkone that I know is correct (one can also copy a file too).  And even then,I tend to customize the vars for my setup.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 50)>>>>>"""""I know my knowledge here is very limited.But I followed your instructions in the Dec 2005 Juiced.GS exactly for theKEGS windows version. Why doesn't the sound work? Please be more specific;I'm using the vars_win32 file, is that not right?-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 51)>>>>>"""""I don't have a copy of wrote with me.  You want to delete vars and then doone of the following:ln -s vars_win32 vars-or-cp vars_win32 vars(these both effectively do the same thing).I've compiled KEGS under Windows and haven't had any sound problems.You'll have to perform standard troubleshooting to figure out what problemsyou are experiencing.  Besides pointing you to the Windows API pages atMSN, I don't know what else to suggest.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 29, Top 41, Msg 52)[EOA][ALP]Assembly Language Programming for the 8-bit Apple II""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Over the last couple of days I've been looking over some assembly sourcecode samples and I've seen a few that always start a program the followingway...ldx #$FFtxsThe effect of this is to reset the stack pointer.  My question is, is thissomething that should always be done in a program?  What are the dangers ofboth doing this and not doing this?--Mark(MARK, Cat 51, Top 3, Msg 16)>>>>>"""""It all depends if the program is expecting any parameters on the stack orneed to rts/rtl when it is done.It also depends on how much stack space your program needs--and do youtrust that other programs did the right thing with cleaning up its stackusage?You don't want to do this with GS/OS programs since the OS allocates stackspace for your usage (unlike modern operating systems, there are no checksin place if you overrun it, that it why you have to know what you aredoing).Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 51, Top 3, Msg 17)>>>>>"""""Geoff wrote:>> It all depends if the program is expecting any parameters on the stackor need to rts/rtl when it is done. <<I'm thinking in terms of a standard 8-bit 65c02 ProDOS SYS program thatalways ends with a call to MLI Quit.  Based upon what you've said doingthis could prevent problems that other programs may have left behind.  Sofor this type of program, would this be a good idea?--Mark(MARK, Cat 51, Top 3, Msg 18)>>>>>"""""I think most 8-bit SYS programs reset the stack pointer as a normal part oftheir init sequence.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 51, Top 3, Msg 19)>>>>>"""""I can't think of any problems if it is necessary.  If I recall correctly,the stack pointer will roll over so the issue should be moot.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 51, Top 3, Msg 20)[EOA][TIT]The Weekly e-newsletter This Is True""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I subscribe to the weekly e-newsletter This Is True, written by RandyCassingham, who also publishes The TRUE Stella Awards, HeroicStories, andJumboJoke, and who makes the Get Out of Hell Free cards.  This Is Truecomes recommended by a certain Apple II luminary:http://www.thisistrue.com/woz.htmlRandy recently launched yet another web site, "True Tales of CustomerService Incompetence".  It is a blog at which "postings are limited to afairly small cadre of [Randy's] friends".  One of the latest entries isprovided by another recognizable Apple II name: Matt Deatherage.http://www.crankycustomer.com/-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 31, Msg 60)[EOA][IDF]ID That Font""""""""""""From <http://www.bonzersites.com/identifont.html>:"OK, so you see a font in a magazine or something that you like, and youwant to be able to use it yourself. You've got a billion fonts that camewith your word processor/art program/desktop publisher, but you're not surewhich one is the one you need, or whether you need to buy it. Identifont<http://www.identifont.com> to the rescue! Answer a series of questions(does the middle stroke in the capital M go all the way to the baseline?Does the $ have one line or two?) and it will narrow it down for you. Veryhandy for those who care what their printed work looks like."This web site also has visual examples of the fonts in question.  You can'tinstall them on your computer, but you can see what each character lookslike.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 8, Top 14, Msg 10)>>>>>"""""if you have an image sample of the font, you can also try whatthefont.com,which will offer up some suggestions (and try to sell you their fonts).Kelvin.(KWS, Cat 8, Top 14, Msg 11)[EOA][ANS]-------------------------------      ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[TSU]TO SIGN UP FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Please visit our web site at http://www.syndicomm.com for information or tosign up!(Logon message)[EOA][LTE]-------------------------------             LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |------------------------------------[SRS]Setting the Record Straight"""""""""""""""""""""""""""From: Kitcoke19@aol.comDate: January 20, 2006 12:53:35 PM ESTTo: webmaster@syndicomm.comCc: admin@portmatilda.comSubject: The Apple II WebRing(Ryan,Was out surfing the web and run across the story below, and thought I'd setthe record straight..........print it or don't, it's up to you)Actually, I wrote the original "Delphi Messenger" to be a speed readingscript for the BB/Message Boards. Someone quipped one day that I didn'thave enough familiarity with Spectrum to actually do that. So...........(I always did love a challenge)In actuality, the newer version was a team effort. Gary, Paul Pirosko and Ideveloped the "Delphi Messenger" to read, and write.  Gary wrote the buttonscripts, writing scripts and graphic overlays, while I made them compatibleto Delphi and my own program, fine-tuning them with my original scripts.Paul Pirosko proofread the scripts, and shortened some of them to keep theprogram simple. Ewen gave me a few scripts that helped shortened theprocess, but at the time was doing another project so Paul, Gary and Istuck with it.After the program was up and working (it did everything and did it right)Ewan asked me to send him the scripts, as he was at that time finished withhis other work, and he'd see about incorporating newer scripts into it.When the original COG came out, we tore it apart to discover that over 80%of the scripts were ours (Paul {who said 90%+}, Gary's and my own) and Ewanhad added a picture in the front and renamed our program (COG), giving usvery little credit.  As a matter of fact, I used our original scripts to dothe same thing for Compuserve until they too stopped supporting the ApPLEII's and Amigas.  I still have my APPLE IIGS's but have moved into otherfields. Paul has a web-designing business and I helped for a time, learningCold Fusion and Microsoft FrontPage.  Now, I build computers... both mykids are grown and the few times I did come back to the Apple II areas, Ifelt the reception was a bit cool....... so I moved on.  I am not angryabout COG, as I do recognize Ewan as a superior Speccie writer, however theReader/Writer for Delphi was my idea, and on my Apple II's I still usedDelphi Messenger (as did Paul) until we packed them up and put them instorage.Good Luck to all........REF - FROM THE NOVEMBER 2003 ISSUE OF _The Lamp!_ .......~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[KGS]KIT GRAHAM AND SPECTRUM SCRIPTS"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Wasn't there a Kit Graham who wrote scripts to make CoPilot work onCompuServe using Spectrum 2.0?(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 31, Msg 42)>>>>>"""""Yes indeed. Kermit Graham did work on those scripts, and I remember at thetime helping him with the scripts. If I remember correctly, I eventuallyevolved the scripts into COG for Delphi, which then evolved into SOAR forSyndicomm. I have not heard from him for many years now, perhaps someoneelse knows what he is doing now.Ewen Wannop -  Speccie - Sat 25 Oct 2003 - 269 days till KFest '04Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR 1.0b11 Setup:IIgs running at 95Mhz thanks to Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0(CONDUCTOR, Cat 2, Top 31, Msg 46)[EOA]AN INVITATION~~~~~~~~~~~~~Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of theApple II computers.Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considersunsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.[EOA][KF6]------------------------------                       KFest 2006 |-----------------------------------[KFS]KansasFest 2006"""""""""""""""is scheduled for July 18th-23rd, 2006Mark your calendar... start saving some money.  :)[EOA][INN]------------------------------                    EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp!   The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month on"""""""""""""""   the WEB at:   http://lamp.a2central.com/This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computersusing Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes.  Apple II Forever!     * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2006 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W.  All       rights reserved.     * To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to       thelamp@sheppyware.net     * All issues of The Lamp! are available at The Lamp! Home Page,       http://lamp.a2central.com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed herein are those of the individual authors, and do notnecessarily represent the opinions of A2Central.com, Delphi OnlineServices, Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, or Lyle Syverson.  Forum messages arereprinted verbatim and are included in this publication with permissionfrom the individual authors.  A2Central.com, Delphi Online Services,Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, and Lyle Syverson do not guarantee the accuracyor suitability of any information included herein.  We reserve the right toedit all letters and copy.Material published in this edition may not be reprinted without theexpressed written consent of the  publisher.   Registered computer usergroups, not for profit publications , and other interested parties maywrite the publisher to apply for permission to reprint any or all material.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[EOF]
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