[HEA] _____________________ ___ _ |___ ______________| | | | | | | _ | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | ____ _ _ _ _ ______ | | | || | | | / __ \ | | / \_/ \ | ___ \ | | | || |__ ____ | | / / \ | | /\ /\ \ | | \ \ | | | || _ \ | _ \ | | \ \__/ | | | |_|| | | |__/ / | | | || | | || |_|| | | \___/|_| |_| |_| | ____/ |_| | || | | || |__ | |____________________ | | _ |__||_| |_|\____/ |________________________| | | |_| | | Lighting Your Apple II Path | | |_|----------------------------------- >>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE BEST OF THE A2 BULLETIN BOARD ON Syndicomm Online AND THE BEST OF THE DELPHI A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS "Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998" :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 7, No. 8 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TABLE OF CONTENTS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ August 15, 2004HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN] The Well Trained Farm Dog The Well Trained Apple II DogA2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS------------[DAS] VNC Client for the IIgs Available in A2 Library------------------[VNC] Virtual Network Computing on the Apple II------------------------[VNC] Utility For LanceGS Ethernet Card Available in A2 Library--------[ULE] Changing MAC Addresses on a LanceGS------------------------------[CMA] Silvern Castle v8.1 Available in A2 Library----------------------[SC8] Huibert Aalbers Releases His Apple II Software as Freeware-------[HAF]ILLUMINATING THE LAMP-------------------------------------------------[ITL] An overview of GEnieLamp A2 and The Lamp! This series will continue in the September issue.ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM------------------------------------------[ANS] To Sign up for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[TSU] Server Memory Upgraded-------------------------------------------[SMU] August 2004 Issue of Syndicommotion Ready------------------------[AIS]LETTERS TO THE EDITOR-------------------------------------------------[LTE] Letter to the Editor Denver Apple II User Group An InvitationKFEST 2004------------------------------------------------------------[KFF] Winners of the Annual GShisen Contest----------------------------[AGC] Back Home From KFest---------------------------------------------[BHK] KFest 2004 Pictures----------------------------------------------[KFP] First Two DVDs of KFest 2004 Available---------------------------[DVD]KFEST 2005------------------------------------------------------------[KF5] KansasFest 2005 to be Held July 19-24th--------------------------[TBH] New Website for KansasFest---------------------------------------[NWK] Suggestions for KansasFest 2005----------------------------------[SK5]EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN] [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make""""""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN]. There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].[OPN]------------------------------- HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |------------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson The Well Trained Farm Dog ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From High Above The Rock River we notice that many of the people onthe trail along the river are walking their dogs. That brings to mind thedog we had back on the farm. A farm is a great place for a dog... plenty of room to run... lots ofthings for a dog to do. No need to keep it on a leash or in a pen. And awell trained dog is a great asset to have around the farm. Duties of our dog included... get the cows from the pasture at milkingtime... carry messages to and from the fields... announce visitors arrivingat the farmstead... let strangers know that any foul play at the farm wouldhave consequences... entertain the children with standard tricks such as'roll over' and 'beg'. There was also time for the dog to indulge himself with his ownactivities. Chasing rabbits. Chasing cars and trucks down the road. The Well Trained Apple II Dog ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Apple II land we have a well trained dog called Bernie ][ TheRescue. If you own a IIgs you might want to consider acquiring Bernie.Depending on the Power Mac you choose for the "Dog House", you will have afast and/or portable IIgs. See these URLS for more information:The Bernie ][ The Rescue Web Sitehttp://www.bernie.gs/Bernie/Bernie ][ The Rescue Starter Kithttp://store.syndicomm.com/product_info.php?products_id=181Bernie ][ The Rescue Starter Kit CD-ROMhttp://users.foxvalley.net/~joko/bernie.htmlGS ROM Grabberhttp://store.syndicomm.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=16&products_id=169[EOA]ASCII ART BEGINS_________ _ _ _|__ __| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |___ ____ | | _____ __ ___ _ _ _____ | | | | | ___ \ / __ \ | | /____ \ | v v | | v ___ \ | | | | | | | | | /__\ \ | | ____| | | /\ /\ | | / \ \ | | | | | | | | | _____| | | / ___ | | || || | | | | | |_| | | | | | | | |_____ | |____ | |__| | | || || | | \___/ / _ |_| |_| |_| \______| |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/ |_| | | | | |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA][DAS]----------------------------------------------DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com | (A2Central.com) |---------------------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson [VNC]VNC CLIENT FOR THE IIgs AVAILABLE IN A2 LIBRARY"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""There is a new upload in the telecommunications/applications/16-bitdirectory: File: VNCview.GS.bxy Size: 27904 Date: Aug 2VNCview GS is a Virtual Network Computing (VNC) client for the Apple IIgs.It allows you to display and interact with the graphical desktopenvironment of a computer connected to the IIgs through a network. It canwork with any remote computer running VNC server software, which isavailable for a wide variety of popular platforms, including Mac OS X, MacOS 9, Microsoft Windows, and *nix systems using the X Window System.Uploaded by the author, Stephen Heumann.Tony Ward, A2 Librarian(2.TONY,Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 33)[EOA][VNC]VIRTUAL NETWORK COMPUTING ON THE Apple II"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I downloaded VNCview.GS and I have to say that I am really impressed by it.I installed a VNC server on a Windows machine and was able to connect to itfrom VNCview.GS with no problems.I have put up a screen shot of Internet Explorer running: http://www.syndicomm.com/~geoff/vncgsscreen.gifThis was within minutes after connecting for the first time--I was usingthe GS 320x200 resolution.Here is another screen shot of VNCview.GS running KEGS on the windows box: http://www.syndicomm.com/~geoff/vncgsscreen2.gifSetting up a VNC server was easy--I adjusted the configuration as neededand activated it. And on the VNCview.GS side, after making sure I typed inthe correct password, I was able to control my Windows box. For softwarethat is labeled alpha, I found it to work correctly with the first attemptof use. It properly downsized the 1600x1200x24bit desktop into 2bit/4bitnative GS resolution modes.I have often heard remarks such as "I wonder what it would be like to runNetscape on an Apple IIgs". Well, with VNCview.GS, this is now apossibility.Kudos to Stephen Heumann for adding a new remote connectivity option notavailable before on an Apple II.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 1)>>>>>"""""I haven't tried it yet, but you can bet I'm going to. This is veryexciting, and really cool. I've heard a couple of people say they'vemanaged to crash it; hopefully they'll post notes about how, so theproblems can be addressed.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""I've got it running fairly well. I've managed to crash it twice. Onceswitching resolutions while connected, and the other just seemed to happenwhile typing on the PC...the GS dropped into GSBug.It's pretty impressive and really wasn't anything I'd expect the GS to beable to pull off. A nifty piece of programming.Thanks for this software!!Dain Neater(A2.DAIN, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 3)>>>>>"""""I haven't seen it crash on me at all. I can get it to hang on a regularbasis. It just means different area of memory is getting corrupted whichgenerates different results.It will hang if I switch resolution or color depth if connected to the VNCserver. Good advice is to close your connection to the VNC server beforemaking such changes.Any other time is not 100% reproducible. My system isn't the best fortesting. I have made changes to the LanceGS link layer driver that I useand I haven't fully tested it to determine that the driver is manipulatingmemory correctly. I also had packet sniffing disabled so I don't know whatthe server or client was doing right before or during the hangs.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 4)>>>>>"""""This is amazing. I have not yet had a chance to try it out but I willhopefully have an opportunity this weekend.Great work by Stephen. This opens whole new networking doors for the IIgs.RyanChief Sysop(A2.RYAN, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 5)>>>>>"""""I'm glad that all of you are enjoying VNCview GS. I've posted a slightlyupdated version of it at:http://www.syndicomm.com/~s.heumann/VNCviewGSa2.bxyThe major new feature in version 1.0a2 is the Hextile encoding. This is analternative way of sending pixel data that may be faster than Raw encoding(which was always used in 1.0a1) in some circumstances, although itprobably won't be faster if you have a high-bandwidth connection. Thisversion also fixes a bug potentially causing the second and subsequentconnections not to work properly and includes an enhancement that shouldmake the display update faster when scrolling rapidly between differentportions of the server's screen.As for those of you experiencing problems, please post here or email (tothe address in the README) a detailed description of the problem and how toreproduce it so that I can attempt to address it.Stephen Heumann(S.HEUMANN, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 6)>>>>>"""""Could someone explain what VNC is?-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 7)>>>>>"""""There's a pretty nice introduction here:https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Resources/KnowledgeBase/Docs/20030911152834Think PC Anywhere, think Apple Remote Access.RyanChief Sysop(A2.RYAN, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 8)>>>>>"""""I installed a VNC server on my iMac, and was able to type into ProTERM Macfrom my GS keyboard, and even control Firefox with it. Fantastic! Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Fri 6 Aug 04 9:11:09 pm cknoblo@cox.com - Via Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR v1.0b10 On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard. A2 RTC Staff - Sunday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com(CARLK, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 9)>>>>>"""""The only way I crashed it was starting and then quitting EGOed. But thatwasn't really a fair test. :)Changing resolution on the Mac breaks the connection, but a simpledisconnect/connect fixes it.I'm looking forward to new versions with convenience features like storinga list of servers. Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Fri 6 Aug 04 9:16:29 pm cknoblo@cox.com - Via Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR v1.0b10 On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard. A2 RTC Staff - Sunday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com(CARLK, Cat 11, Top 37, Msg 10)[EOA][ULE]UTILITY FOR LanceGS ETHERNET CARD AVAILABLE IN A2 LIBRARY"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""There is a new upload in the telecommunications/applications/16-bitdirectory: File: lancehack.bxy Size: 2432 Date: Aug 2This is my 2004 KFest HackFest project. This tool allows the changing ofthe MAC address on an LanceGS ethernet card. This is useful also for thoseLanceGS cards which lost their EEPROM settings and a MAC address can beadded again. When editing the MAC address, the escape key will exit theprogram and the delete key is used to back up.Uploaded by the author, Geoff Weiss.Tony Ward, A2 Librarian(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 35)[CMA]CHANGING MAC ADDRESSES ON A LanceGS"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I uploaded my hackfest project to a2central. Watch for the appropriateforum topic when the upload becomes available to use. As a reminder, thistool allows the changing of MAC addresses on a LanceGS.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 20, Top 13, Msg 75)>>>>>"""""Even though lancehack is filed in the a2central library as 16-bit software,it really is 8-bit software and should work on any Apple II that is LanceGScompatible. It shows that Applesoft is simple and powerful enough to writecode for the LanceGS.So who wants to write TCP/IP software in BASIC? Sample code can found athttp://members.lycos.co.uk/leeedavison/6502/suprchips/network/source.html(uses a different BASIC and a different ethernet controller).Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 20, Top 13, Msg 77)>>>>>"""""It has come to my attention that there is a concern about the use oflancehack. The software does not provide any warning that you are about tomake any changes to your LanceGS card. It becomes the user responsibilityto know their original MAC address if it gets changed "accidentally".I take no responsibility if any LanceGS cards fail with the use of thisprogram. It is to be used at the sole risk of any LanceGS owner. If thereis any apprehension with the operation of lancehack, do not use it.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 20, Top 13, Msg 80)>>>>>"""""It should be pointed out that since this is a "hack", its use is notsupported by ///SHH Systeme either. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 20, Top 13, Msg 81)[EOA][SC8]Silvern Castle v8.1 AVAILABLE IN A2 LIBRARY"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""There is a new upload in the games/adventure/prodos8 directory: File: scupdv81.bxy Size: 343936 Date: Aug 10This is version 8.1 of the popular game Silvern Castle. It containsnumerous bug fixes, changes, and new features including:New preferences: Preload /RAM; difficulty mode; auto-unlock doorsStuff changed: Enhanced special ability weapons, revamped treasure chestroutines, and more.Uploaded on behalf of the author, Jeff Fink.Tony Ward, A2 Librarian(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 36)[EOA][HAF]Huibert Aalbers RELEASES HIS Apple II SOFTWARE AS FREEWARE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I don't remember if this has been mentioned here before, but HuibertAalbers has released all of his Apple II software, including the popularSoundSmith, as freeware:http://www.huibert-aalbers.comTony Ward(A2.TONY, Cat 15, Top 3, Msg 33)[EOA][ITL]------------------------ ILLUMINATING THE LAMP |-----------------------------An overview of GEnieLamp A2 and The Lamp!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~By Steven WeyhrichThe series ILLUMINATING THE LAMP will continue in the September issue.[EOA][ANS]------------------------------- ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson [TSU]TO SIGN UP FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Please visit our web site at http://www.syndicomm.com for information or tosign up!(Logon message)[EOA][SMU]Server Memory Upgraded""""""""""""""""""""""This morning I installed a memory upgrade (tripling the amount of memory inour server!) that should noticeably improve performance of all ourservices. Enjoy!Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, HelpDesk, Cat 5, Top 5, Msg 25)[EOA][AIS]August 2004 Issue of Syndicommotion Ready"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""The August 2004 (Volume 3, Number 8) issue of Syndicommotion has beenemailed to subscribers. The HTML edition can be found online at thefollowing URL:http://www.syndicomm.com/syndicommotion/v3n8.htmlor by selecting menu option #3 from Page 2 on Syndicomm Online (type "m2;3"without the quotes at any menu prompt).(KGAGNE, HelpDesk, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 22)[EOA][LTE]------------------------------- LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |------------------------------------LETTER TO THE EDITOR~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~From: Ion D HolcombeDate: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:04:50 -0700To: thelamp@sheppyware.netSubject: Denver Apple II user group?I am looking to hook up with a apple II user group. Can you give me info ona group that meets in the Denver metro plex or denver proper.ThanksDoug Holcombe[EOA][AUG]Denver Apple II User Group~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Doug,I was not able to locate an Apple II user group that meets in the Denverarea.First I went to www.A2central.com and used the link to the user grouplocator. No listings for Colorado.A Google search for "Denver Apple II user group" brings up several Mac usergroups but no Apple II user groups.Lyle Syverson Editor, _The Lamp!_published monthly at: http://lamp.a2central.com/AN INVITATION~~~~~~~~~~~~~Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of theApple II computers.Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considersunsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.[EOA][KFF]------------------------------ KFest 2004 |-----------------------------------[AGC]Winners of the Annual GShisen Contest"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Here are the results of the final round of the annual GShisen contest:Carl Knoblock 3:52Bruce Baker 4:50Geoff Weiss 5:07Congratulations to our finalists!-Ken(Ken Gagne, KFest List)[EOA][BHK]BACK HOME FROM KFest""""""""""""""""""""I made it back from an abbreviated Kfest visit. It was great to see allthe old friends and it was also great to meet in person a few new friends.It was kind of sad that a few friends also couldn't be there this year.Cindy, Sarah (Melissa Missed you this year), Steve G, Michael, Jeff... Iam sure there are more..I am just really tired:)Right now all plans are go for 2005. Let's try to get everyone back andmaybe a few new attendees.Mark your Calendars, iCal's, Palm Pilots, Newtons, PocketPCs, etc. BecauseKFest 2005 is July 19th-24th.Dain(A2.DAIN, Cat 5, Top 6, Msg 16)>>>>>"""""I think I figured out why my razor broke on the last day of KFest--I letDave borrow it ;)The Knoblocks and I enjoyed a leisurely lunch at the airport--I ended upfooting the bill for Dave since he had to run to catch a plane. When didthe previous year's roaster had to buy lunch for the following year'sroaster?I got home in the wee hours of the morning. The driver of the shuttle vanthat I took had been driving for 19 hours by the time I got on board. Hisdriving was much worse then what you have seen from me--for him, thingslike speed limits, speed humps, stop signs, and traffic lights are onlysuggestions. I was most concerned about random drivings running in frontof the van and his response to something like that. Fortunately, theroadkill quota took place before we got there and a car in front of usslowed us down when a dead adult deer was in our lane.(GEOFF, Cat 5, Top 6, Msg 42)>>>>>"""""Sharon & I left Geoff at his terminal, and headed north. We filled up atGrandview, MO, since the low fuel warning had come on just a few milesbefore we got to the airport. I still felt like driving when we stopped atthe first rest stop, but pulled off at a gas station/antique mall/fireworksshop/quickie mart a while later, because I was getting sleepy. Sharon drovefrom there to just south of Council Bluffs.We arrived home just after 7pm, and I was on line before 9. Finishedunpacking most of the stuff by then. When I first started the iMac atKFest, it didn't want to boot. After about 4 tries, it made it and workedfairly well after that. At home again, it started fine the first time andhas been fine ever since. I guess it just doesn't like to travel.On Monday, I picked up Tony Diaz at the airport in Omaha and we visited theStrategic Air & Space Museum. On the way back to the airport, we had Sharonjoin us for an early dinner at Valentino's. I helped him with his luggageand watched him load and preflight the plane, Then watched him taxi offtowards the runway.Today, Tuesday, I napped when I should have been mowing the lawn. Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Tue 27 Jul 04 9:43:04 pm cknoblo@cox.com - Via Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR v1.0b10 On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard. A2 RTC Staff - Sunday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com(CARLK, Cat 5, Top 6, Msg 46)>>>>>"""""I got home on Wednesday afternoon after about a month on the road. Asidefrom KansasFest, I also went to Hackers on Planet Earth, Vintage ComputerFestival East, and MacWorld Boston. While all of those are bigger thanKansasFest (VCF just barely), they are by no means better.I ended up sleeping earlier than I ever did at KansasFest for the firstcouple of nights; after sufficient ridicule from my unnamed roommate, I gotbetter the last few nights.I'm hoping I'm rejuvenated enough from that vacation to get my act back inorder and get some projects done in time for KansasFest 2005.RyanChief SysopVeteran of a decade of KansasFests(A2.RYAN, Cat 5, Top 6, Msg 49)[EOA][KFP]KFest 2004 PICTURES"""""""""""""""""""I've posted my few pictures at this location:http://homepage.mac.com/sdweyhrich/PhotoAlbum8.htmlThanks to all who organized and executed this event!Steven Weyhrich -->>>>"""""In addition to Steve's photos, here are the URLs to some other onlinealbums:Ken Gagne:http://www.syndicomm.com/~kgagne/kfest2004/Bruce Baker:http://www.hal-pc.org/~bbaker/kfest2004-1.htmlDean Nichols:http://homepage.mac.com/cscug/KFESTBBQ/http://homepage.mac.com/cscug/KFEST2/(KGAGNE, Cat 5, Top 6, Msg 43)>>>>>"""""Oh, and here are some pictures from the week before KFest, when I had Andy,Jeri, Ryan, and Kelvin Sherlock staying at my place as we attendedMacWorld, Vintage Computer Fest (with Hans), and the MIT Swapfest, amongvarious social activities:http://www.syndicomm.com/~kgagne/kenfest2004/(KGAGNE, Cat 5, Top 6, Msg 44)[EOA][DVD]FIRST TWO DVDs OF KFest 2004 AVAILABLE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""We've released disc 1 of our KFest 2004 line of DVDs. Viewable on any DVDplayer (except the really old ones that choke on DVD-R media), the discincludes the roast, certain announcements, prize awards, Sharon Knoblock'ssession on Genealogy, and some after-hours stuff including a look at HansFranke's Replica-1.To order, visit.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 24, Top 19, Msg 7)>>>>>"""""Disc 2 of our KFest 2004 DVD set is out:It includes Code Secrets of Wolf 3D, LANceGS Programming, and Hi-Fi WiFi.There are a few minutes of bonus footage as well, including after-hoursgoings-on around the dorm at Avila University.http://store.syndicomm.com/product_info.php?products_id=231Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 24, Top 19, Msg 8)[EOA][KF5]------------------------------ KFest 2005 |-----------------------------------[TBH]KansasFest 2005 to be Held JULY 19-24th"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Mark your calendar and start saving some money.[NWK]NEW WEBSITE FOR KansasFest""""""""""""""""""""""""""This just in....The KansasFest web site has just been overhauled. Check it out. http://www.kfest.orgEnjoy,Dain Neater(A2.DAIN, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg 7)[EOA][SK5]SUGGESTIONS FOR KansasFest 2005"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""On the way to the airport this year, we passed Worlds of Fun, a pretty bigamusement park in Kansas City. We watched the descent of The Mamba, a 205foot tall roller coaster. It looked like so much fun! The Mamba hasappeared on a list of the top ten steel roller coasters in the US.Dave Miller expressed interest in visiting the park so I was wondering ifthere are others who would like to do an all day visit during KFest 2005?Wednesday or Thursday would be the best days to attend to avoid the weekendcrowd. I realize that the older crowd or those of certain body types maynot be as interested in attending.Retail price for the 2004 season is $37 for the land park and $25 for thewater park. Discounts can be gotten to lower the price to $24 for the landpark and $20 for the water park. Expect a slightly higher price for the2005 season. When budgeting for an amusement park, don't forget aboutcosts for food, drinks, and parking. Park hours are from 10:00 a.m. to10:00 p.m. so I figure we would leave Avila around 9:30 a.m. and spend allday at the park.Take a look at http://www.worlsoffun.com/ to see what is offered.I know it is early to commit to attend KFest 2005, but I would like to seewho else would be interested in visiting this park. I have no problemsorganizing this event. Since it is impossible to predict the weather thisfar in advance, plans may need to be canceled due to rain--one has to beflexible.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg1)>>>>>"""""I would much prefer to organize a foursome to Minor Street Gold Course.Bruce(BBAKER, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""Bruce,No reason both can't happen.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg 3)>>>>>"""""World's of Fun used to be a staple of our Summer Vacations. I've neverridden the Mamba Coaster, but I have ridden the others.World's of Fun also has a fairly fun Wooden Coaster called "The Timberwolf"that while not as high and not upside down...still scares me:)Kfest 2005 is on my Calendar, I'm not so sure about World's of Funyet...you never know though:)Dain(A2.DAIN, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg 4)>>>>>"""""The only golf I play is miniature golf. If there is interest in a linksouting, there needs to be somebody to run with the idea and gage interest.Like my amusement park idea, I don't see this as something done by theKFest committee so it would have to be done by a KFest attendee.An amusement park outing might be able to get the KFest teen-agers tobecome more social with some of the other folks, assuming money is not aproblem.Hanging out at Walmart at midnight is fun with the right crowd, but thereare other things that can be done too.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg 5)>>>>>"""""I would be much more interested in Worlds of Fun than golfing. I can'teven play Mean 18 ;-)Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg 8)>>>>>"""""From having hosted about 10% of this year's KFesters at my place the weekprior to KFest, I can say that it's a wonderful experience to engage innormal activities (shooting pool, playing golf, etc.) with abnormal people(as opposed to abnormal activities, like disk ninja :). I'd be up for suchan outing next year.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 5, Top 7, Msg 9)[EOA][INN]------------------------------ EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp! The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month on""""""""""""""" the WEB at: http://lamp.a2central.com/This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computersusing Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes. Apple II Forever! * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2004 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W. All rights reserved. * To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to thelamp@sheppyware.net * All issues of The Lamp! are available at The Lamp! 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