[HEA] _____________________ ___ _ |___ ______________| | | | | | | _ | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | ____ _ _ _ _ ______ | | | || | | | / __ \ | | / \_/ \ | ___ \ | | | || |__ ____ | | / / \ | | /\ /\ \ | | \ \ | | | || _ \ | _ \ | | \ \__/ | | | |_|| | | |__/ / | | | || | | || |_|| | | \___/|_| |_| |_| | ____/ |_| | || | | || |__ | |____________________ | | _ |__||_| |_|\____/ |________________________| | | |_| | | Lighting Your Apple II Path | | |_|----------------------------------- >>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE BEST OF THE A2 BULLETIN BOARD ON Syndicomm Online AND THE BEST OF THE DELPHI A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS "Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998" :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 5, No. 3 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. 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Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TABLE OF CONTENTS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ March 15, 2002HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN] Signs in the Distance The Restless IIgs The K-Fest ConnectionA2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS History of Online Games and MUDs---------------------------------[OGM] Which Telecomm Programs Have You Used?---------------------------[WTP] Warp Six BBS Still Lives-----------------------------------------[WSB] Classic Apple II Games Resurfacing on PDA Platforms--------------[CGR] Bypassing the Prompt in ChessMaster 2100-------------------------[BTP] Upcoming v7.4 Update to Silvern Castle---------------------------[SCU] Silvern Castle Tip-----------------------------------------------[SCT] Speeding up the Automap Feature of Silvern Castle----------------[SCA] At What Speed Are You Running Silvern Castle?--------------------[SCS] Diversi-Cache----------------------------------------------------[DIC] New Web Site for Juiced.GS---------------------------------------[NWS] The Golden Orchard CD-ROM Available Via the Net From SSII--------[GOC] Updates for Spectrum---------------------------------------------[UFS] Padded Room Solution - PDF from Word Document :)-----------------[PRS] Additions to Apple II Developer Database-------------------------[ATD] What do You do in the "Real World"-------------------------------[TRW] How Did Other People Get Their A2 Programming Skills?------------[GPS] Are There Any Apple II Programs Waiting to be Written?-----------[WTW] Port Open-Source Palm Sync Utilities to the IIgs?----------------[POS] About File Transfers---------------------------------------------[AFT]ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM Dated Announcement - Don't Miss This-----------------------------[DLC] Subject: [A2Central.com] Special Dave Lyons Chat To Sign up for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[TSU]DELPHI A2 DISTILLATIONS 5.25 Drive Not Showing up in GS/OS-------------------------------[DNS] Andromeda TV Series and IIgs?------------------------------------[ATS]LETTERS TO THE EDITOR No Letters to the Editor This Month------------------------------[NLE] An Invitation----------------------------------------------------[LTE]KFEST 2002 Plan Ahead for K-Fest 2002---------------------------------------[PAK] KFest 2002 Registration Information Soon-------------------------[KFR]EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN] [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make""""""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN]. There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].[OPN]------------------------------- HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |------------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson Signs in the Distance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Today's bright sunshine and the cool, clear air provide theopportunity to study details on the distant horizon from High Above TheRock River. Toys-R-Us? Hmm. That sign reminds me of my favorite childhood toy.Tinkertoys. One day you could create an airport, complete with airplanes,terminal building, etc. The next day you could build a crane and movepaper clips from the floor to the top of the dinning room table. What atoy to stimulate the imagination. The Restless IIgs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Apple II computers allow so much flexibility to attach specialtycards, drives, printers, etc. Add to that the opportunity to buy variouscomponents, often at bargain prices, on the net, at garage sales, and atrecycling centers. The IIgs _The Lamp!_ is produced on is made up of components comingfrom several states. Seldom does a month go by that something has not beenchanged. The hard drive was taken from an old Mac. The DeskJet printer"served time" on a Pentium. Hmm. How about twin hard drives partitioned and formated alike?Should make backup a breeze. Got to get to work on that! The K-Fest Connection ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Speaking of unusual computer setups. Visit people in their rooms atK-Fest and check out what they brought in the way of computers. Includinga IIgs with an impressive stack of drives attached to it. Visiting with all these Apple II people is a lot of fun in itself. Wewould really like to visit with *you*. See you at K-Fest![EOA]ASCII ART BEGINS_________ _ _ _|__ __| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |___ ____ | | _____ __ ___ _ _ _____ | | | | | ___ \ / __ \ | | /____ \ | v v | | v ___ \ | | | | | | | | | /__\ \ | | ____| | | /\ /\ | | / \ \ | | | | | | | | | _____| | | / ___ | | || || | | | | | |_| | | | | | | | |_____ | |____ | |__| | | || || | | \___/ / _ |_| |_| |_| \______| |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/ |_| | | | | |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA]---------------------------------------------------DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com | (A2Central.com) |---------------------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson [OGM]HISTORY OF ONLINE GAMES AND MUDs""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A three-part history of online games and MUDs can be found at these URLs:http://www.happypuppy.com/features/bth/bth-vol8-36.htmlhttp://www.happypuppy.com/features/bth/bth-vol8-37.htmlhttp://www.happypuppy.com/features/bth/bth-vol8-38.htmlThe article is written by a former Apple II RoundTable file librarian, andfocuses primarily on text-based games available in the early days ofCompuServe and GEnie.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 6, Msg 45)[EOA][WTP]WHICH TELECOMM PROGRAMS HAVE YOU USED?""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""The first telecom program I used was Smartcom, though I barely remember itnow. I recall having difficulty downloading files, though whether it wasdue to Smartcom's archaic formula or a complete inability to do so, I can'trecall.Either way, some other member of CompuServe's APPUSER forum, Loren,recommended I call this company called "Quality Computers" and order a copyof ProTERM. I'd never heard of either the company or the software, but Idecided to take a gamble on this fellah's suggestion.Haven't seen Smartcom since. :)-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 3)>>>>>"""""The first telecomm program I used was VisiTerm. It was kind of neat inthat it used the HGR screen to come as close to getting 80 columns on the][+ screen as possible.The downloads sucked, however :)ASCII Express Pro (DOS 3.3) was next on my list. That was not so goodeither.However, the current crop of ProTERM, Spectrum, and ANSITerm are justgreat.RyanChief Sysop and Head Geek(A2.RYAN, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 4)>>>>>"""""I ordered ProTERM 3.0 when I bought my first modem for my IIgs. Used AOLmore for the first couple of years though. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 5)>>>>>"""""On the 8-bit 65c02 128 KB Enhanced IIe/IIc, ProTerm is pretty much theultimate Telecom program. I use it daily.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 6)>>>>>"""""Terminus was the first telecomm program I owned. It came in a package witha modem and modem cable. I never could get it to do anything.When I asked for help from the vender, they admitted they had no idea howto make it work and offered to send me another telecomm program calledFull-Duplex. I never was able to get that to work either. Nor was thevender of any help.I then sent off for a copy of Talk Is Cheap. I was up and running soonafter I received it. I was so impressed that I sent in the shareware feewithin 24 hours. I then joined GEnie and found out that TIC was no longershareware, was up to version 3.xx, and being sold by Quality computers.The day after that it was announced on GEnie A2 that Quality Computerswould no longer be selling TIC and version 4 would be available by directorder from the author.The shareware fee I had sent in for version 1.xx was applied to my purchaseof v4.So TIC was my 3RD telecomm program... but the FIRST one that worked!When I bought my first IIgs (used) one of my projects was to download thesix disks of System 6.01 from GEnie using TIC at 2400 baud. Took over anhour for each disk. :)If only TIC would have had Zmodem.I also own ANSITerm, Spectrum, and Proterm.Lyle Syverson Editor, _The Lamp!_published monthly at: http://lamp.a2central.com/(LYLE, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 7)>>>>>"""""My first Apple II telecom program was Point to Point. It was wonderful,and I never had any problems with it until my changes in modems exceededit's limits. I flirted with TIC, but finally got ProTERM. And there Istayed until Marinetti appeared, and Spectrum began to handle it.Now, most of the telnet I do online is done by my GS with Spectrum(although I have ProTERM Mac) just because I can. B-{)Kirk(A2.KIRK, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 8)>>>>>""""">> The first telecomm program I used was VisiTerm. <>>>>"""""My first modem was a 2400 that cost around $100, and came with a free copyof AE's ReadyLink (formerly EasyLink). I also used AOL, although theyeventually dropped a2 support...I can't begin to describe how horrible ReadyLink is. I wound up usingvarious freeware programs (like Agate and telecomGS), most of which wereless problematic, and eventually Spectrum. Now that AnsiTerm is availableagain, it's on my list of things to buy when I remember to :)Kelvin(KWS, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 10)>>>>>"""""I started with ProTerm and dialed into a local bulletin board where I couldget email. Later I got ANSITerm, which looked much better with some of theplaces I connected to. I tried all the bulletin boards I could get to witha local call - there were about a dozen at that time. One that sticks inmy mind was an openly religious board with a bunch of x-rated games.(I never tried the games, maybe they put subliminal messages in them orsomething)Once there was a local ISP provider the bulletin boards died off. I startedusing a Mac for online stuff - as I still do. However, I do have thehardware and software to do it on the GS and Maybe I should get back to it,just to prove I can do it.Margaret(MARGARET, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 11)>>>>>"""""AnsiTerm is also on my "to get" list. :)Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 13)>>>>>"""""Well, as I came very late to the Apple II telecom party...my first telecomprogram that I used was the AppleWorksGS telecom module to transfer filesfrom a Windows PC to the IIgs via a null modem cable. I was doing all ofthat without a hard disk back in 1998 or so. Soon I learned how bad thattelecom module was.Eventually I picked up a copy of Spectrum from the now defunct SevenHills/MyEsource. It's what I still use to this day on my Apple IIgs toconnect via Marinetti. Originally through dial up and now with the LANceGSEthernet card.I need to pick up a copy of ProTerm A2 for the IIc+Dain Neater(A2.DAIN, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 14)>>>>>"""""This one probably no one has heard of. :) My 1st telcomm program waswritten for, and sold by a company called DAK which sold interestingelectronic devices. It came with a 1200 baud modem (Prometheus, but soldunder the ADC label) and a dumbed-down serial card made by PracticalPeripherals--made just for DAK. It would let you dial a number andconnect, but I don't think it had any file transfer ability (maybe xmodemif anything). I then moved to ModemMGR and also to Proterm. I still usethe latter two on my //e all the time.Later.........Howard(A2.HOWARD, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 15)>>>>>"""""I got ProTERM at the same time I got my first Modem. I upgraded itregularly, so I've always been current with it. My last upgrade was toProTERM Mac, which I use for Telnet, now. Spectrum gets used regularly withSOAR for reading these messages. Poor PT2 got left behind when I got theLANceGS card and connected to cable. Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Sat 9 Mar 02 5:15:23 pm cknoblo@applelinc.org - Via Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8 KFest 2002, July 23-28, 2002 - 136 days till KFest On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard. A2 RTC Staff - Saturday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com(CARLK, Cat 2, Top 16, Msg 16)[EOA][WSB]WARP SIX BBS STILL LIVES""""""""""""""""""""""""Warp Six BBS lives, as a newsgroup on a system at the following name:warpsixbbs.homeip.netThe instructions webpage is still at http://www.warpsixbbs.webhop.net/(KGAGNE, Cat 10, Top 29, Msg 1)[EOA][CGR]CLASSIC Apple II GAMES RESURFACING ON PDA PLATFORMS"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A lot of classic games for the Apple II (and machines of that era) areresurfacing on PDA platforms, such as the Palm and PocketPC. There aresome very nice renditions of games like Galaxian and Space Invaders on thePalm.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 14, Top 1, Msg 53)[EOA][BTP]BYPASSING THE PROMPT IN ChessMaster 2100""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I am looking for a hack for ChessMaster 2100 to bypass the prompt.rreedy@attbi.com(RREEDYJAX, Cat 14, Top 4, Msg 6)>>>>>"""""I wrote one a long time ago; you can download it on my Web site athttp://www.sheppyware.net. It doesn't work with every copy of ChessMaster2100; it appears there are a couple versions out there. So be sure to onlyapply the patch to a backup copy!Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 14, Top 4, Msg 7)[EOA][SCU]UPCOMING v7.4 UPDATE TO SILVERN CASTLE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Upcoming V7.4 update:I've been messing with adding preferences for many Silvern Castle"features" that many of you may wish could be turned off.For now I have the following new preferences:1. Fixed store prices (regardless of stock available; many people emailedme they thought the changing prices must be a bug)2. Fixed monster equip (happens when twisties are displayed at the start ofcombat; makes initializing monster items really fast)3. Show name of spell cast by monsters (for those of you who want to knowwhat that spell was that killed your favorite character)4. Easier XP advancement (no more 4X XP for demi-humans & lesser XP neededfor everyone over level 8)No maze command:Quick P)lot - Limits the maze view to 2 squares forward regardless of howmuch light is cast; makes moving through familiar areas much faster)No more minimum raise dead price (for low-level parties; now level 1-3mages can be raised for as little as 30gp, or less)Anyone have any other "Features" they would like to become a preference?-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 85)>>>>>"""""New features sound great. How about a switch to display remaining hitpoint for a monster after a hit. This would help beginners figure out justhow tough monsters are and let them know if fleeing would be a good idea.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 86)>>>>>""""">>...How about a switch to display remaining hit point for a monster aftera hit. <>>>>"""""For everyone that paid the original Silvern Castle shareware fee (SC's nowfreeware, BTW) and helped it SC online to the A2 community, I have alsoincluded a nice cool-looking scroller routine listing all your first namesat the title page. Look for it in the upcoming v7.4 update!-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 88)[EOA][SCT]SILVERN CASTLE TIP""""""""""""""""""Silvern tip-For those using the GS RBG monitor, you can get a crisper display withoutany color fringe on the text characters by going to the control panel andselecting monochrome from the display menu item.This will give you a higher resolution, but only black and white colors(you only lose purple anyway).The reason this technique works with SC and not some other programs is thatSilvern hits the soft switch in the GS that turns this feature on so itobeys the control panel color/monochrome display setting.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 91)[EOA][SCA]SPEEDING UP THE AUTOMAP FEATURE OF SILVERN CASTLE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""On another topic, did you find anyone to write your automap display inassembler? I've been tinkering around with assembler and may want to tryto write this routine. Where exactly is the existing routine located?Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 86)>>>>>"""""Hey, your my first taker!I'll try to send you more detailed info later, but for now the routines canbe found in the SC.MOD1 file somewhere. I'm not at my GS so I don't knowthe line number, but the routine starts right around where it loads thepre-plotted GRID file (since I'm using MicroDot, look for the &.BL,"GRID"command).If my memory serves, this routine is entirely BASIC except for when itcalls existing ML code that has nothing to do with the actual automappingroutine. You'll know when I'm calling my ML code as it is in the format&x[,y]. Usually this code is yanking out binary maze data such as exitinfo and passing it back to BASIC.Take a look and let me know what you think. The biggest problem is passingall the AppleSoft variables back & forth between the ML code I think.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 87)>>>>>"""""Jeff,You will have to keep in mind that I'm an amateur assembler hacker at thispoint so it may take me some time to come up with something. However I dohave some good info on how Applesoft stores it's variables so that willhelp.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 89)>>>>>"""""Actually that's where I'm at too, I just don't have the time for assemblyconversions. I can do anything in BASIC 10X faster in development time,although it's probably 10X slower!But I wonder how many other amateur hackers out there have tried to changeSilvern on their own. After all, SC is mostly BASIC, so you can list andchange variables easily, and even without REMmarks you probably candecipher enough info to write your own character editor.In fact, Silvern's automap and saved game routines were taken from ideasgleaned from listing other programs. Somewhere on the Time in a Bottle CDthere's a program called Rat's Maze that gave me the core for an automaproutine. Since I'm using MicroDot, I can't use Basic.System'sSTORE/RESTORE to saved games anymore, so I got a binary technique used inDOS 3.3 days, in this case, from listing a few Eamon's that have a savedgame feature.I'd be happy to answer questions about BASIC routines used by SC if anyoneis interested.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 90)>>>>>"""""Sorry Mark, but I just converted the automap routine to machine language!It now runs almost 3 times faster; on my 8Mhz GS it now takes only 5seconds to plot a complete level, where it took 14 seconds previously.I used MacroSoft to do this. This is a bunch of BASIC command-like macrosthat when used with Nibble's MindCraft assembler, produces machine languagecode. Its much easier than doing by hand, since the macros look almostlike AppleSoft anyway. Example of code:BEGIN $3000 ;ORGVAR L,S ;define INT varsFVAR SF ;define FP varsGETVAR L,A% ;get A% from AppleSoft and transfer to LGETVAR SF,LM ;get LM from AppleSoft and transfer to SFTOINT S,SF ;convert SF (FP) to S (INT)IF L=0, LET S=1 ;if L=0 then set S=1PUTVAR S,A% ;transfer S back to AppleSoft A%END ;RTS to AppleSoftFrom AppleSoft100 S=4: LM=0: CALL 12288: PRINT S: REM prints 1There is still some BASIC parts in the automap routine because, get this, Idon't know how to call my own machine language programs from assembly! Iuse AppleSoft routines mostly to find variable pointers and values (i.e.CALL 768,A% or & 15,A%(0),T). I think what I need to do is search thevariable table directly to find simple variables and arrays (I know how todo this in theory, but actual practice make take much trail & error).One limitation MacroSoft has is not being able to handle more than singledimensioned arrays. If it could I think coding the rest of the automapdisplay would be done already, I think I could get the speed down to 2seconds or less eventually.BTW, this stuff from Nibble is pretty old (copyright 1982, but converted toProDOS in 1991). I got it right before Nibble went under and never didanything with it until last week. Now I wish I had used it earlier.Anyone else familiar with MacroSoft? The biggest problem with it is thearchaic line editor that MindCraft's Assembler uses, plus the need to putor not spaces exactly as needed, and virtually no error checking (exceptfor assembly errors). I almost throw this package out the window a fewtimes because it will assemble merrily without indication anything iswrong, so much trail & error is needed. For example HPLOT only plots twocoord pairs, so HPLOT 0,0,50,100,0,0 will not work, but the manual doesn'tmention this little pitfall.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 97)>>>>>"""""Well, I now have converted the remaining core automap routines into ML withMacroSoft. So now the automap display runs almost 5 times as fast! Mytime to plot a complete level is now 3 seconds flat.There still is a bit of optimizing I can still do, so I might be able tosave an additional second or two.I figured out a way to call my own ML routines from assembly. This issomewhat difficult because my ML routines are meant to be called byAppleSoft; such as:& 15,A%(0),T: REM is square "T" in automap? Returns PEEK(249)=1 if trueMy routine in ML does this: Jumps to routine #15, gets address ofbeginning of A%(0) automap array (each square is 1 bit position) usingAppleSoft routines, finds square "T" in array then returns result in memorylocation 249.To get this to work with MacroSoft without rewriting or duplicating theexisting routine, I would do this:5339 CALL 12288: GOTO 5440: & 15,A%(0),TWhich calls the automap plot routine assembled with MacroSoft, when done itskips the rest of line. In MacroSoft, I use AppleSoft's parse routine tofind the ampersand following the GOTO, then simply jump to my ML routines.Since AppleSoft's TXTPTR will be pointing to the "1" following theampersand, my existing ML routines work from assembly. I then reset theTXTPTR back to were it was. Pretty neat trick. Probably slower thandirect assembly but saves me the trouble of using the existing routinewithout creating a new routine.(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 89)>>>>>"""""After optimizing further, the time is now 2.72 seconds. Which is as fastas the automap routine is going to get.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 101)>>>>>"""""Thanks for the update Jeff. I feel like I'm inspiring you. :)Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 104)>>>>>"""""More like good timing.I have been looking for an easy way to speed up the automap plotting, andjust happened to stumble upon the MacroSoft package while looking forsomething else.I still can't believe it took me over 10 years to re-discover it. That'swhat happens after you recently move-you can't find what you looking forand find things you didn't know you had.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 107)[EOA][SCS]AT WHAT SPEED ARE YOU RUNNING SILVERN CASTLE?"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Is anyone running SC on a stock 8-bit Apple II or GS? Or does everyonehave 8Mhz or faster accelerators or emulators?-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 93)>>>>>"""""I have run it on my 1 MHz IIe's and have found the performance verysluggish. However on either my stock IIGS or my IIc plus it performs muchbetter. :)Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 94)>>>>>"""""I know. I've been using a stock GS and the speed is o.k. I've been makingsome changes to routines to make Silvern play better on this configuration.Silvern needs to run on a stock GS, or IIc+ (but the disk speed of the IIc+is too slow, unless you have a large enough RAM disk).Version 1.0 played o.k. on my 1Mhz Apple IIe. Since then you really need aGS or an emulator.(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 102)>>>>>"""""I'm running it on a GS with a 10 MHz Zip GSX, 8 Megs of memory and a 750Meg hard drive. It seems to run just fine for me. Roger A. Schnorenberg - Roger "Roger A. Schnorenberg" Delivered by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8 with NiftySpell 1.0 Via Marinetti 2.1 TCP/IP stack on a ROM 0 IIGS upgraded to the max!(SCHNORENBERG, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 95)[EOA][DIC]DIVERSI-CACHE"""""""""""""On a Woz-Edition GS with 1Meg I have found the 2.8Mhz speed is good enough(to run Silvern Castle), but the 3.5" disk speed is not. I know one coulduse the RAM5 disk, but that involves copying files to and from floppy disk.The next best thing is getting Diversi-Cache (now freeware I believe).This caches the 3.5" disk making it seem as fast as a hard drive. To takeadvantage of it, you should have at least 1Meg of memory (which the ROM3 GScomes with), but it can be configured to cache less for 256K ROM1 systems.The difference is amazing.-Jeff(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 93)>>>>>"""""I always thought that Diversi-Cache was one of the under-appreciatedwonders of the IIgs world. Even with full caching turned off, disk I/O wasimproved by reading a track at a time. (From memory, later versions ofGS/OS did much the same thing.) And with full caching, any disk became aRAM disk! (Well, provided you didn't write too much.)The only "down" side was that it didn't know how to handle the SuperDrivecontroller, so it would simply bypass itself.Peter peterw@syndicomm.comPalm OS Community Bulletin Board Manager(PETERW, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 96)>>>>>"""""Also with Copy 2+ you can't use the sector edit, or any advanced utilityfeature with the SuperDrive controller.I found some copy-protected programs that also hiccup with it.Seems you can use the SuperDrive disk drive with the GS's built-insmartport and Diversi-Cache (I'm using that config right now).(FINKSTERJ, Cat 14, Top 7, Msg 103)>>>>>""""">> Also with Copy 2+ you can't use the sector edit, or any advancedutility feature with the SuperDrive controller. <> I found some copy-protected programs that also hiccup with it. <> Seems you can use the SuperDrive disk drive with the GS's built-insmartport and Diversi-Cache (I'm using that config right now). <>>>>"""""Posted by CARLK at 19:48 PST on Wed Mar 06, 2002>> That's why I have my 800K drive on the Smartport, and the SuperDrive onthe SuperDrive controller in slot 6. <>>>>"""""As far as updates to Spectrum go, cost-wise, I'm cutting/pasting the infohere from my web site: The cost of Spectrum v2.5.2 is $35, and first time buyers can purchase the complete Spectrum package by credit card, on either 3.5" disk or CD-ROM, at Shareware Solutions II's online store at: http://order.kagi.com/?zs3 Low cost updates for those who purchased Spectrum from My eSource are available only through the mail, as proof-of-purchase must be supplied. Costs for updates are as follows: v1.0-=>v2.5.2 upgrade $25 v2.0-=>v2.5.2 upgrade $20 v2.1-=>v2.5.2 upgrade $20 v2.2-=>v2.5.2 upgrade $5 v2.3-=>v2.5.2 upgrade $5 v2.2-=>v2.5.2 CD upgrade $10 v2.3-=>v2.5.2 CD upgrade $10 Shareware Solutions II 166 Alpine Street San Rafael, CA 94901(JOKO, Cat 26, Top 5, Msg 77)[EOA][PRS]PADDED ROOM SOLUTION - PDF FROM WORD DOCUMENT :)""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Ahhh...the Padded Room is probably the best place to ask my question.I've been asked by a computer-phobic PC user how to create a PDF file froma Word word processing document. And, in this case, "darned if I know" isnot the correct answer ;-)I looked at the Adobe site, and the only free download I saw was for theAdobe Reader software. But, I figured that if there was software for theIIGS that lets you create PDF files, surely, you don't need the full $500(or so) Adobe Acrobat package to create them on a PC.So, does anyone know of a free method to create PDF files on a PC from aWord document?Thanks.Joe Kohn(JOKO, Cat 2, Top 13, Msg 54)>>>>>"""""I don't know of any way to do it on the PC, but on the Mac, there'sPrintToPDF, which is shareware, and Mac OS X has support for creating PDFsbuilt into pretty much any application.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 2, Top 13, Msg 55)>>>>>"""""Does anyone know of anything similar on a PeeCee?Surely, they're gotta be 8 million ways; I just need one ;-)Joe(JOKO, Cat 2, Top 13, Msg 56)>>>>>"""""I don't know of anything on the PC but if I were in need of one I wouldstart with www.download.com.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 2, Top 13, Msg 57)>>>>>"""""Like Sheppy, I don't know how to do so on a Windows box, but my experiencewith the Mac says that a lot depends on how exact a replica you want. Thefree products are good, but if you need something that's productionquality, there's nothing that substitutes for the full version of Acrobat(which, for those of us who qualify for an educational discount, can be hadat a really good price :).Perhaps someone could do the conversion for you. I would volunteer but Idon't anticipate any free time until April at least. . .RyanChief Sysop and Head Geek(A2.RYAN, Cat 2, Top 13, Msg 58)>>>>>"""""I don't have time to check right now, but my (somewhat flaky) memory tellsme that there is at least one web page where you can convert a Word(?)document to PDF. It might even be on the Adobe site.I'd suggest checking Google or the like.Peter peterw@syndicomm.comPalm OS Community Bulletin Board Manager(PETERW, Cat 2, Top 13, Msg 59)>>>>>"""""Thanks, all. The 2 most important tips were "PDF Writer" and "download.com"I passed the information along to the PC user that asked me how to createPDF files, and I imagine in a couple of days, I'll get a question about howto deal with a .zip file ;-)Thanks!Joe(JOKO, Cat 2, Top 13, Msg 60)[EOA][ATD]ADDITIONS TO Apple II DEVELOPER DATABASE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Lucas Scharenbroich100 Hurlbut St. #19Pasadena, CA 91105Programmer of Super Mario Bros. GS and scads of unreleased stuff.(LSCHAREN, Cat 50, Top 1, Msg 3)>>>>>"""""Thomas A. CompterP.O. Box 808Milton, Vermont 05468tcompter@syndicomm.comtcompter@adelphia.netTomCompter@aol.comtcompter@gdarm.comProgrammer of Hammurabi GS (and hopefully more to come)__________ | homas(TCOMPTER, Cat 50, Top 1, Msg 4)[EOA][TRW]WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE "REAL WORLD"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Well, since I've been out of the A@Central loop _because_ of moving to areal job, I suppose I can post here first!I'm a Research Programmer in the Machine Learning Systems group at NASA'sJet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA. See our group athttp://www-aig.jpl.nasa.gov/public/mls/mls_people.html-Lucas(LSCHAREN, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 1)>>>>>"""""Cool -- and sounds like fun work :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""Congrats, Lucas. We all need to eat :)RyanChief Sysop and Head Geek(RSUENAGA, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 3)>>>>>"""""It really is a blast. Unfortunately, the trusty IIgs is not as useful fordoing 'real work' these days. :) Although, since I have 2, a GS Beowulfmight help....-Lucas(LSCHAREN, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 4)>>>>>"""""My job title is Principal Software Engineer, but in real life I've beendoing everything from training to debugging to a smattering of projectmanagement.I wish I was doing more real software development, but hey; it's a living.:)_________ | homas(TCOMPTER, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 5)>>>>>"""""These days I'm a technical writer at PalmSource, Inc. (the company thatwrites the operating system used in PDAs built by companies likeHandspring, Sony, Palm, etc). I've been doing developer docs for creatingconduits for Mac OS X, mostly. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 6)[EOA][GPS]HOW DID OTHER PEOPLE GET THEIR A2 PROGRAMMING SKILLS?"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I got started by sneaking home all of the old Nibble magazines our computerlab had back in High School. Typing in the BASIC listings, PEEK, POKES,etc. After a while I started porting QBASIC programs to AppleSoft.Then the usual (for A2 people, anyway) transition to assembler. I actuallynever bough a 'real' assembler and coded for about 2 years using themini-assemble and raw hex. Finally picked up a copy of ORCA/C and theLearning to Program/Toolbox Programming books and moved 100% to ORCA/C,ORCA/M.So, in summary, learning by doing.-Lucas(LSCHAREN, Cat 50, Top 6, Msg 30)>>>>>"""""I have just started going through the learn to program C course off ofOPUS ][ again. I knew some C at one time so I am trying to refamiliarizemyself. About the only thing I remember anymore is printf and that I hatedpointers;) My goal is to one day program something "useful" on the AppleIIgs.Right now I like my IIgs programming setup with One monitor on the Macfilled with Bernie running Orca C and the other monitor filled withDocumentation.Dain NeaterWatching the BoardsA2 Syndicomm(A2.DAIN, Cat 50, Top 6, Msg 31)[EOA][WTW]ARE THERE ANY Apple II PROGRAMS WAITING TO BE WRITTEN?""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Are there any Apple II programs that are waiting to be written? There areat least a few people who don't want to suck when it comes time for KFest2002. :)-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 22)>>>>>"""""Stuff I'd like to see:1. A Palm backup program, that would let you archive your Palm's data toyour IIgs and sync it back over. Installing apps would be awesome. Theopen source ColdSync software might be a starting point. Heck, justinstalling Palm packages would be cool.2. I could use a quick disk formatting tool. Something that would cyclethrough all my 3.5" drives formatting the disks in them until I tell it tostop. No interface of any kind, other than asking if I want to continue ifthere aren't any disks in the drives. Would be handy to be able topreformat my disks before making all the disks I sell. Supporting 5.25"drives too would be nice.3. Two words: PDF reader. :)4. How about a program to create Palm eBooks from AppleWorks and AppleWorksGS files?5. AppleShare IP support for the LANceGS. Bonus points galore for thisone. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 23)>>>>>"""""I'd like just regular Appleshare support for LANceGS too.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 24)>>>>>"""""I've been thinking of a couple NDAs ...A dictionary one to extract dictionary definitions from one of the variousonline dictionaries.A stock ticker one to do the same thing, but with stock prices.Kelvin(KWS, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 25)>>>>>"""""Those would both be handy.I admit that these days I use my GS only for a few specific tasks. I makedisks with it, and a few other things, but otherwise it just sits there.What would be really great would be some software that would let my GS takeover one or more tasks that I normally run some little app or another on myMac, like watching my stocks, or syncing my Palm, or whatever.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 26)>>>>>"""""I've always wanted a better word processor that was IIgs native.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 27)>>>>>"""""8 bit TCPIP stack for LANceGS.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 28)>>>>>""""">> 1. A Palm backup program, that would let you archive your Palm's data toyour IIgs and sync it back over. Installing apps would be awesome. Theopen source ColdSync software might be a starting point. Heck, justinstalling Palm packages would be cool. <> 2. I could use a quick disk formatting tool. Something that would cyclethrough all my 3.5" drives formatting the disks in them until I tell it tostop. No interface of any kind, other than asking if I want to continueif there aren't any disks in the drives. Would be handy to be able topreformat my disks before making all the disks I sell. Supporting 5.25"drives too would be nice. <>>>>""""">> Presumably, though, this would require a serial cradle/cable, right?I guess you can still get them in the aftermarket, huh? <> Doesn't PROSel do all of that except the 5.25 drive part, or am Ireading that wrong? <>>>>"""""I have a (mostly) Applesoft "mass format" program that I wrote many moonsago. It only handles one or two 3.5" drives, but once started all you haveto do is keep the drives fed with disks.Let me know if you want a copy.(Hmmm, it was released as part of the first shareware disk I ever did. Idon't think it ever made the usual archives, but it *may* be on Mike's Opus][. I sent Mike some stuff for the user contributions section, but I can'tremember if I included those programs or just the MS-DOS stuff. If it'sthere (maybe in a .SHK file), it will be called Mass.Format.)Peter peterw@syndicomm.comPalm OS Community Bulletin Board Manager(PETERW, Cat 50, Top 10, Msg 33)>>>>>""""">> Are there any Apple II programs that are waiting to be written? <> There are at least a few people who don't want to suck when it comestime for KFest 2002. <>>>>""""">> I've always wanted a better word processor that was IIgs native. <>>>>""""">> What feature set would you look for in a IIgs native word processor. <>>>>""""">> What feature set would you look for in a IIgs native word processor. <>>>>"""""Dain writes.....or tries to....That would be a great idea. A Newton Backup utility would be nice too.How difficult is it to write programs such as this?Dain NeaterA2 Bulletin Board Manager.(A2.DAIN, Cat 57, Top 13, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""Hm. Thinking about it, I don't see any reason why you couldn't do a Palmsync utility over serial in, say, a Spectrum script.Newton, I'm not sure. Years ago, there was a Newton package called YAPI,Yet Another Package Installer, which let you install packages through anull modem connection with any computer that did YModem or XModem, iirc.That was pretty neat :)Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 57, Top 13, Msg 3)[EOA][AFT]ABOUT FILE TRANSFERS""""""""""""""""""""I was just curious about file transfers. My only real experience with filetransfers came from using Zmodem on a Unix Machine at college and someZmodem and Xmodem stuff transferring files from Hyper Terminal on a PC tomy IIgs. I have seen Y-Modem but have no clue what this is?What makes one better than the other anyway?Dain Neater(A2.DAIN, Cat 57, Top 49, Msg 1)>>>>>"""""X-Modem was the first of the error-free protocol file transfer methods. It,and all the others, use a packet of data with a check-sum. if the check-sumdoes not match, then the receiving end ask for the packet again. This way,you get an error-free transfer regardless of the integrity of theconnection.X-Modem does not carry the filename, and in general uses small packets,although there is a 4K X-modem option that some hosts support. As eachpacket has to be acknowledged, the turn round for a packet can be slow ifthe distance between the host and the receiving computer is great.Y-modem carries the filename, and can have larger packets and an improvedcheck-sum. Also Y-modem can 'batch' a number of files per session. It istherefore more robust.Z-modem also carries the filename, has an improved check-sum, and variablelength packets. However the main speed boost with Zmodem is that it uses asend-ahead method, whereby the next packet is sent out regardless ofwhether the previous one has been acknowledged. This speeds things updramatically on long distance connections. Also Z-modem can resume atransfer in the middle, if you had to abort a download for any reason.Finally there is Kermit. Kermit was designed to work on almost any link youmight come across. It can handle both 7 and 8 bit connections, and can haveoptionally very large packets and a windowed mode. When you start atransfer, it negotiates with the other end to see what features aresupported. The best method is chosen to suit both ends. It supports largepackets, has improved check-sums, send-ahead, and a windowed mode where badpackets can be re-requested from the middle of a window. Zmodem always goesback to the last good packet to resume a download.Kermit IMHO is very much underrated, as if both ends support all thefeatures, it is actually faster than Zmodem. However it is rare to find ahost that supports all the features, so usually you end up with a slowsmall packet transfer often with only a 7 bit transfer rate. Spectrumsupports most Kermit features, so against a full featured host, it canoutrun Z-modem!As TCP/IP is an error-free connection in itself, you do not need to havepackets and check-sums, as data can flow freely. FTP file transfer simplydumps the data as fast as it can across the link, but is only available ifyou use an Internet connection through Marinetti. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sun 3 Mar 2002 - 142 days till KFest '02 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5 Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/(CONDUCTOR, Cat 57, Top 49, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""Dain,In addition to Ewen's excellent descriptions, check out the printed manualfor ProTERM A2, if you have it. The book includes historical and technicalinformation on the various protocols.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 57, Top 49, Msg 3)[EOA]------------------------------------ ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson [DLC]DATED ANNOUNCEMENT - DON'T MISS THIS""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Subject: [A2Central.com] Special Dave Lyons Chat~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A2Central.com's RTC (Real Time Conference) is happy to announce a SpecialEvent coming March 18th.We'll be bringing a well know Apple II Illuminati to our Monday Chatsession.Very few Apple II users will be ignorant of the contributions of DaveLyons.Dave is a former Apple IIGS system software engineer, currently working asa Mac OS X system software engineer. He is noted for his programs DIcED,Davex, and worked on Shrinkit GS with Andy Nicholas. And according to oursources, he's not finished with the Apple II even yet.So, mark your calendar and join us Monday, March 18th, at 7:00 PM PST.If you aren't currently a member of A2Central.com, feel free to follow thelinks at:http://www.a2central.com/join/index.htmlYou don't know what you're missing!Cindy AdamsSyndicomm PR Managerhttp://www.syndicomm.comBuilding communities bit by bit.(email)[EOA][TSU]TO SIGN UP FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Please visit our web site at http://www.syndicomm.com for information or tosign up!(Logon message)[EOA]------------------------------------ DISTILLATIONS FROM DELPHI A2 |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson [DNS]5.25 DRIVE NOT SHOWING UP IN GS/OS""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Here's an interesting one. I recently acquired 2 apple platinum 5.25 drivesand put them on my GS. For some reason only 5.25A shows up in GS/OS. 5.25Bis nowhere to be found. However, in P8, they both work great. All my P8disk utilities, and even older 2-disk games on my ][plus work fine in bothdrives.I thought maybe I had too many devices listed in the finder, so I disabledmost of my HD partitions with the RamFAST utility, but still no luck.My floppy drive chain is plugged in like this:GS -> 3.5 d1 -> 3.5 d2 -> 5.25 d1 -> 5.25 d2I also have a Zip accelerator, RamFAST RevD, and LanceGS, 5 meg RAM (4 megcard on Rom 3) and running System 6.0.1 with all the patches that I knowof.Thanks,Matt(MPORTUNE, 3571.1, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""It took a bit of remembering, but I know the reason and a solution...Before System 6, the OS would attempt to detect how many 5.25 drives wereattached to the diskport (or card based controller) and display an icon foreach appropriate drive found. The problem was some third party drives,including Apple-made drives, weren't always being detected properly.So, when System 6.0 was introduced, GS/OS would just automatically place_two_ 5.25 drive icons on the desktop (for each controller found)regardless of how many drives were connected. Lots of people with only asingle 5.25 drive found this annoying and patched the device driver so itwould only show *1* drive icon on the desktop. I'm pretty sure this is whatyou must have done 10 years ago and forgot (in fact I had to think aboutthis a bit before my memory kicked in since my system is set up this way).:)The solution is to revert the 'Appledisk5.25' driver found in/System/Drivers back to how it came. Simply change the auxiliary filetypeback to "$010E"--it's probably set to $0101 or $0103 if you're seeing onlyone drive icon now. Or you could just copy over the driver with one from aclean copy of the System 6.0.1 disks, that would obviously work too.Reboot and you should see two 5.25 drives on your desktop.ps - ProTERM 3.1 is handy for quickly changing filetype/auxiliary types,just go to the 'Set File Info' option in the File menu.Mitchell Spectora_specto@alcor.concordia.ca(SPECTOR1, 3571.5, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""Mitch, as usual you're a genius! You were dead on - it was set to 0103.Resetting it to 010E fixed it. Thanks a million!- Matt(MPORTUNE, 3571.6, Delphi A2 web side)[EOA][ATS]ANDROMEDA TV SERIES AND THE IIgs?"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A few weeks ago while watching TV, I caught a sci-fi series calledAndromeda (it's been on 2 years now actually, it's another one of thoseGene Roddenberry story concept show). While the show is pretty mediocre andnot something I'd watch, there was something about it the one or two timesI've watched it that kind of made me curious if the writers weren't formerIIgs fan...Within the show they apparently have a group called the "FTA" and some racecalled the "MaGog". FTA even uses the same acronym, only the word "Trade"replaces "Tools". Could this be some obscure fan refer to the FTA andOlivier Goguel? (who went by the name Gog).Of course it could just be a coincidence. :)Mitch(SPECTOR1, 3572.1, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""heh.I've been watching Andromeda since it started and I never made theconnection but now that you mention it... :)Jeff BlakeneyDean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro Forum(JBLAKENEY, 3572.2, Delphi A2 web side)[EOA]------------------------------------ LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |------------------------------------[NLE]NO LETTERS TO THE EDITOR THIS MONTH"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""The mail box for Letters to the Editor remained empty this month.[EOA][LTE]AN INVITATION~~~~~~~~~~~~~Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of theApple II computers.Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considersunsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.[EOA][KFT]------------------------------ KFest 2002 |-----------------------------------[PAK]PLAN AHEAD FOR K-Fest 2002""""""""""""""""""""""""""KansasFest 2002 is scheduled for July 23 through 28 of 2002. Plan ahead.Mark your calendar. Start saving your money. Join us for K-Fest 2002!For additional information visit the K-Fest Home Page at: http://www.kfest.org/[EOA][KFR]K-Fest 2002 REGISTRATION INFORMATION SOON"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""We have finally received the info we needed from Avila to establish theprices for this year's KFest. It will take us a few more days to figure outhow to keep the prices as low as possible but we hope to post the relevantinfo RSN.Stay tuned and continue to make your plans to attend this very specialevent!Steve (KFest Grand Gouda)(email)[EOA][INN]------------------------------ EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp! The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month on""""""""""""""" the WEB at: http://lamp.a2central.com/This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computersusing Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes. Apple II Forever! * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2002 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W. 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