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An Onipa'a Software Production       Vol. 3, No. 10 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Mail, Editor..............................lyle837@FoxValley.net ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                            TABLE OF CONTENTS                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                            October 15,  2000HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER     Working in Harmony-----------------------------------------------[OPN]A2 DISTILLATIONS     A2Central Licensed to Distribute A2 System Software--------------[ACL]     Donations for A2Central.com Auctions-----------------------------[DFA]     Silvern Castle v5.1 Available in Database------------------------[SCF]     Jeff Fink Releases His Software as Freeware----------------------[JFR]     Silvern Castle v5.2 Coming---------------------------------------[SCC]     Byte Works Collection CD Will be Produced------------------------[BWC]     Shipwrecked! - A IIgs Game - Available---------------------------[SWA]     Genie Out of Bottle!  ?------------------------------------------[OOB]     Spectrum Via Shareware Solutions II Delayed but Coming-----------[SVS]     October 2000 Juiced.GS is on the Way-----------------------------[JGS]     Power on the IIgs------------------------------------------------[PGS]     Lost Classics Project Forges Ahead-------------------------------[LCP]     LANceGS Support Area---------------------------------------------[LSA]     LANceGS Price Lowered--------------------------------------------[LPL]     LANceGS - Sorting it Out 1---------------------------------------[SOA]     LANceGS - Sorting it Out 2---------------------------------------[SOB]     New Driver For the LANceGS CARD----------------------------------[NDL]     Brutal Deluxe Online With New Web Site---------------------------[BDO]     Problems With Super Drive----------------------------------------[PSD]     Which Printer for Printing Labels With the Apple II?-------------[WPL]A2P DISTILLATIONS     Bugs in Basic System v1.5 ?--------------------------------------[BBS]LETTERS TO THE EDITOR     No Slot Clock operation / installation---------------------------[NSC]     C For The 8 Bit Apple II-----------------------------------------[CAT]     An Invitation----------------------------------------------------[LTE]KFEST 2001     Keep it in Mind--------------------------------------------------[KFT]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].[OPN]-------------------------------         HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |------------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>                            Working in Harmony                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     Recently, when looking down From High Above The Rock River, you couldwatch the Regatta sponsored by the local Rowing Club.  Teams came fromseveral states to compete.  It is fascinating to watch a team of eightrowers coordinated by their leader striving for perfection of technique soas win the race they participating in.     So it is with the various people working to produce hardware andsoftware for our Apple II computers.  People working together canaccomplish so much more than a bunch of people working at odds with eachother.[EOA]ASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA]------------------------------------      DISTILLATIONS FROM DELPHI A2 |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[ACL]A2Central LICENSED TO DISTRIBUTE A2 SYSTEM SOFTWARE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A2Central.com is pleased to announce that it has been licensed by AppleComputer to distribute Apple II system software and select other software.Additionally, we have been authorized to rearchive the files in formatsactually useful to Apple II users.So, effective immediately, A2Central.com members can now download Apple IIsystem software, utilities, and HyperCard IIgs in ShrinkIt disk archiveformat at <http://www.a2central.com/stuff/applesoftware>.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 33457, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""How does one become a member of A2Central.com ?Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>Editor, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi(LYLE837, 33464, GO COM A2)<<<<<"""""Just visit the site and make good use of its contents. Participate in thepolls, give feedback and make suggestions. People that have knowledge aboutstuff are urged to submit articles for us to host for the Apple IIcommunity's benefit.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 33465, GO COM A2)[EOA][DFA]DONATIONS FOR A2Central.com AUCTIONS""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""There will eventually be a classifieds section on A2Central.com, but rightnow we're focusing on other stuff.I do accept donations for stuff for A2Central.com to sell on eBay; ifpeople want to offer stuff up, send me email.I prefer that people think of it as a guilt-free way to get rid ofsomething instead of throwing it away, since we're not a nonprofitorganization or charity. The purpose to our auctions is twofold:1. Some people have stuff they want to get rid of, but don't want to throw   it away and don't have time to deal with selling it.2. A2Central.com needs money and exposure.Right now, eBay is a pretty painless way for A2Central.com to handle thisstuff; so far it's working quite well.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 33230, GO COM A2)[EOA][SCF]SILVERN CASTLE v5.1 AVAILABLE IN DATABASE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Name: SCUPD51.BXY Date: 25-SEP-2000 15:20   By: HKATZ Size: 212352Silvern Castle, the popular role-playing game for 8-bit Apple II computers,has been updated to version 5.1 and has been reclassified as freeware bythe Author, Jeff Fink.New stuff in v5.1:- You can now scroll through the store item list much faster with the newOpen-Apple-Jump command. Pressing OA and a number key (1-9) now goesthrough the list in large increments (OA-1 jumps to the beginning, OA-5jumps to the middle, etc). Depending on how many items the store has instock, this should get you close enough to the item you're looking for sothat only a few additional F)wd or B)kwd keypresses will be necessary.Thanks to Bruce Baker for suggesting this idea.- Activating a teleporter square is now more user friendly. It now clearsthe maze viewport, beeps, and displays "ZOOM!" immediately beforeteleporting the party.For more information regarding changes in the program, see theREAD.ME.FIRST file found in the archive.(TONYW1, 33373, GO COM A2)[EOA][JFR]JEFF FINK RELEASES HIS SOFTWARE AS FREEWARE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Due to low shareware payments I have decided to release all my software asfreeware.The announcement about Silvern Castle's freeware status can be foundelsewhere in this forum.My other title, Harvest Collection #1 consisting of 4 Applesoft games-ApplePoker, Demon Ball, Rice Farmer, and Asteroid Miner-is also now reclassifiedas freeware. Alas, I only got 1 shareware payment.By reclassifying everything as freeware, I still retain the copyright, andthe remaining A2er's up there can enjoy my software free and legal. And Idon't have to worry about the low numbers anymore. The price of belongingto the A2 community... :)II Infinitum,Jeff(FINKSTERJ, 33428, GO COM A2)[EOA][SCC]SILVERN CASTLE v5.2 COMING""""""""""""""""""""""""""Announcement:In the next few weeks I will release Silvern Castle v5.2. This will consistmostly of a new extra's menu item: Tome of Arcana, which will include help,hints, and reviews that appeared in the Delphi A2 Entertainment Forum.I'm still waiting for permission from a few of you! If you are on thislist, or you can help locate the following people, please email me at:{<mailto:finkjsc@yahoo.com> finkjsc@yahoo.com}Jeff BlakeneyKevin SherlockJohn ShaverRichard PirongThanks,Jeff Fink(FINKSTERJ, 33466, GO COM A2)[EOA][BWC]BYTE WORKS COLLECTION CD WILL BE PRODUCED"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I'd like to thank all of your for your feedback on a possible Byte Workscollection CD.The short version is that, based on the feedback, I've decided to do one.It's underway now.Please take a look at the following and see if there is anything obvious Ican do better.There will actually be two CDs, priced at $95 each. The first will havesoftware and manuals. The second will have source code for everything onthe first CD that didn't already include source code. Both CDs will be CD-Rwith printed  surfaces, shipped in jewel cases with an insert that pointsout how to get started.The source code CD will include a license limiting use to private changesunless written permission is obtained to distribute the changes. My intentis to try to allow people to modify and change for the GS, but retain theright to be compensated for any use off of the Apple IIGS.The CDs will be in Mac HFS format. I'm toying with the idea of a hybrid CD,but I don't know how well that would work.The source CD will contain both HFS files that are directly accessible anda disk image created with Disk Copy 6 that contains the same source code onone or more 32M ProDOS format volumes suitable for mounting with Gus orBernie.The software CD will contain all of the software in three formats:1. Disk Copy 6 images of the original distribution disks.2. An HFS partition with all of the software preinstalled. In theory, this   should work from an Apple IIGS.3. One or more 32M ProDOS format Disk Copy 6 images with the same software   preinstalled. These will be suitable for copying and mounting with Gus   or Bernie.The documentation will be included in three formats: Word, PDF and RTF. Ido not have, nor do I expect to write, any software that would allow thedocumentation to be read directly on an Apple IIGS, but if anyone hasaccess to such software and would grant me permission to include it, Iwould be happy to do so.I also intend to include several "bonus" selections. These are eitherunfinished programs or programs I never sold. All would come with source.Possibilities include:1. Small C, the only program that is out of print.2. A planet finder program that duplicates the Sky & Telescope centerfold.3. A draw program that was complete except for disk I/O, printing and   libraries.4. A Pilot interpreter.Finally, I'll include all of the beta updates that I've done that have notbeen released.Mike Westerfield(BYTEWORKS, 33478, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""I don't think the Byte Works CD will be full. :) If anyone would like topiggyback on the CD to get distribution, please get in touch. I retainright to edit and select, but I'm open to public domain, freeware,shareware, or commercial demo software, as long as you can speak for thecopyright holder.I'm _specifically_ interested in:BernieThat other UNIX-like shell; what was it's name?Any programming languages, especially LISP, Forth, and anything that runsfrom the ORCA shell.Anything with ORCA source code.If you represent any of these products or can put me in touch with thepeople who do, please let me know if something can be worked out. Remember,shareware and commercial demos are fine; I'd love to point business back toyou!Mike Westerfield(BYTEWORKS, 33479, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> That other UNIX-like shell; what was it's name?GNO/Me.BTW, Mike, thanks for doing this CD project. I'll be one of the first inline. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 33486, GO COM A2)[EOA][SWA]SHIPWRECKED! - A IIgs GAME - AVAILABLE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Hi all, just wanted to let you know that my first GS game is available fordownload at {<http://www.omninet.net.au/~khowe/shipwrecked.html>http://www.omninet.net.au/~khowe/shipwrecked.html}I have uploaded to Trenco also, so that should become available soon.It is a HypercardGS adventure game.Have fun, and let me know what you think.Kim Howe {<mailto:khowe@omninet.net.au> khowe@omninet.net.au}(KHOWE1, 33505, GO COM A2)[EOA][OOB]GENIE OUT OF BOTTLE!  ?"""""""""""""""""""""""The best laid plans, and all that...I'd intended to hire costumed phallanxes of trumpeteers to assist me inmaking an announcement. I'd thought of bringing dancing girls to a Mondaynight chat, and passing out virtual glasses of champagne. I've been intouch with the Russian Space Agency to inquire about Mir displaying aflashing billboard from outer space. Heck; I even contacted the Gore/Bushcampaign offices to see if I could get one of them to make the announcementduring an upcoming Presidential debate.But, alas, the wind has been taken out of my sails. My bubble has beenburst. The high drama planned for an 'earth shaking announcement' has beensubverted.Gosh! Can't anyone keep a secret any more?Well, once the genie is out of the bottle, it's impossible to stuff himback in there. And, believe me, I tried.So, with zero fanfare, no dancing girls, no virtual champagne, no rockets,no presidential pronouncements...http://www.myesource.com/sevenhills/applesoftware/iigs/sp.htmHowever...don't believe everything you read on the net. What you read therewill come true in a week or two, but it isn't true today. In other words, Iwas caught completely off-guard by the slightly premature announcement anda few more details need to be worked out.So, as "they" say on TV...stay tuned for details. Keep in mind, however,that just like fine wine, no software will ship before its time. Joe Kohn http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko(JOE_KOHN, 33357, GO COM A2)[EOA}[SVS]SPECTRUM VIA SHAREWARE SOLUTIONS II DELAYED BUT COMING"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Well, if the truth be told, the delay in getting Spectrum ready is that Ido not yet have the program manuals that My eSource has supposedly alreadysent.Obviously, not having manuals only concerns those who are purchasingSpectrum for the first time.So, I think Ewen and I will have to put our heads together, and come upwith costs for updates, and for the various bundles that will eventuallybecome available.As it is, we have plans to make Spectrum available on 3.5" and CD-ROM, andwe also intend to have a bundle that includes Spectrum and SpectrumAutomated Mailer. Since room on CD-ROM is almost unlimited, I presume we'lleven include disk images for the emulator users.Oh, and before I forget, I have yet another surprise. Shareware SolutionsII will also be distributing Spectrum Internet Suite (SIS)! So, we'llprobably have a CD with Spectrum, SAM and SIS! Hmmm...and maybe even abundle that includes NiftySpell, as that works with Spectrum just like itwas built-in.I just can't predict on what date all this will become available, but itshouldn't be too much longer.One last thing: WOW! Sorry; I just had to say that ;-) Joe Kohn http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko(JOE_KOHN, 33467, GO COM A2)[EOA][SMC]SUGGESTIONS... USING THE SPECTRUM - MARINETTI COMBO"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""This was posted on the KFest list by Howard:> Looks like I'm going to have to get Spectrum once Joe's finally set up> with it. The Marinetti Telnet program either freezes on me also, or> connects briefly and then drops me back to the mini-menu. I can connect> out to other sites, but for no more than maybe 15 minutes tops.The KFest list was not really the place for us to discuss these things, asa more suitable home is over here on Delphi. So I have taken Ryan's adviceand moved my answer over here...Once you have a TCP/IP connection made with Marinetti, you should not begetting freezes or drop outs, unless the host you are connecting to isflaky, the net is very busy and so timeouts are happening, or you have beenhit by a rare Marinetti bug.In my experience, the remaining small bugs in Marinetti seem to hit memoryuse more than anything else. If memory is tight, things can get worse. BothSpectrum and Marinetti like lots of memory. I would not recommend using thecombination in anything less than 4Mb. If you only have 4Mb of RAM, then donot set up a RAM disk. It just eats up too much memory.As many of the newer programs for the IIgs can use a lot of memory, it alsopays to reduce your Inits and CDevs to the basic minimum that you need. Itmay look nice having several rows of icons showing up at boot time, buteach icon is grabbing a slice of memory, and keeps it even if it is notbeing used. If any memory trashing then happens while Marinetti is running,this only makes things worse.So look carefully at all those Inits and CDevs. Ask yourself if you reallyuse them. If not, disable them and give the applications a chance to workproperly. Sheppy's Shifty List does a great job at taming those you don'tuse regularly. Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.4 & Crock O' Gold 3.3 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 Home Pages: http://www.btinternet.com/~ewannop/(EWANNOP, 33644, GO COM A2)[EOA][JGS]OCTOBER 2000 Juiced.GS IS ON THE WAY""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""GreetinGS,The October 2000 issue of Juiced.GS (V5I3) went into the mail on Thursdayand Friday. Subscribers should begin receiving their copies in a matterdays. (Some may have actually received copies on Saturday!)I'll be along in a couple of days with a detailed index. Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs(JUICEDGS, 33589, GO COM A2)[EOA][JFT]CONTENTS OF Juiced.GS, Vol. 5, Issue 3""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Announcing ...===== Juiced.GS, Volume 5, Issue 3 =====The October 2000 edition of Juiced.GS, the Apple II world's premierIIGS-specific magazine, was delivered to 214 subscribers in 45 states andnumerous points around the globe.Here's what you'll find in this 20-page issue:============FEATURESCover Story: KFest 2000 -- In-depth coverage of the biggest Apple II eventof the year ... We give you day-by-day accounts of all the KFestactivities, and focus in on the major news developments such as theannouncement of the LANceGS Ethernet card, the coalition of users unitingto bring Apple II users a new home on the Web, and new twists in technologythat allowed enthusiasts from around the world to watch live Webcasts fromKansas City. We also post the results of the GShisen World Championshipcompetition, and let you know the status of the products unveiled duringthe conference. We even share tidbits about after-hours activities.The Vitual GS: Blockbuster Bernie ... Ryan Suenaga, our man on theemulation front, expands on the KFest 2000 news about the impending releaseof Bernie ][ The Rescue v3.0.COLUMNSMy Home Page: Focused on the future ... The intrepid editor shares hisdelight that KFest developments have Apple II users looking to the futurerather the past. He also announces that Juiced.GS is gearing up to publishonce again in 2001.II Be Named Later: Our exhausted columnist, world-traveler Ryan Suenaga,ponders how he can be so dead tired when the Apple II is bursting with newlife and boundless energy. Maybe he just needs more sleep.DEPARTMENTSShareware Spotlight: Lemonade Stand GS promises a bottomless pitcher ofwholesome computer fun.DumplinGS: The LANceGS Ethernet card for the Apple II is now shipping; theMarinetti Open Source Project invites more participation in TCP/IP programdevelopment; and several new CDs, including the must-have compilation ofthe complete Genie Apple II libraries, Time in a Bottle.Letters from the Land of ROM: Readers ask questions, get answers, makesuggestions, and otherwise give us a piece of their mind. We have thecoolest readers in the world. Read our mail and see why.ADVERTISEMENTSNew SheppyWare products; A2Central.com; the Totally SheppyWare CD;Juiced.GS Friends for Life CD-ROM; and three new CDs, including Time in aBottle, from Juiced.GS============Juiced.GS is a quarterly, printed publication available by subscriptiononly.A subscription for 2000 is $16 in the U.S., Canada or Mexico, $22elsewhere.To subscribe, send a check or money order in U.S. funds to: Max Jones Juiced.GS 2217 Lakeview Drive Sullivan, IN 47882Make checks or money orders payable to Max Jones.To subscribe by credit card, visit the Juiced.GS online order processingsite on the World Wide Web. The URL is: http://order.kagi.com/?2ZMComplete sets of 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 issues are available for $14each ($20 overseas). If you would like to purchase only a specific singlecopy (or copies) of back issues, they are available for $4 each ($6overseas). An index and brief description of articles published in'96/'97'98/'99 are available on the Juiced.GS web site. See URL below.Apple II Forever! Max Jones Juiced.GS E-mail -- Internet: juicedgs@earthlink.net World Wide Web: http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs(JUICEDGS, 33639, GO COM A2)[EOA][PGS]POWER ON THE IIgs"""""""""""""""""Ah, but on a IIgs, many people forget the importance of the connector thattakes the power from the power supply to the motherboard. A thousand illsand crashes can be put down to dirty contacts on that little plug.I found it needed cleaning around every six months or sooner. The clue isif you see flickering on the screen during floppy access... Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.3 & Crock O' Gold 3.3 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 Home Pages: http://www.btinternet.com/~ewannop/(EWANNOP, 33573, GO COM A2)[EOA][LCP]LOST CLASSICS PROJECT FORGES AHEAD""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A bunch of new releases today, courtesy of Lost Classics!                    ******************************* Name: DIVTUNE11.BXY (Graphics and Sound) Date: 15-OCT-2000 14:33  By: HKATZ Size: 395520DiversiTune ver 1.1 is a very powerful MIDI and music sequencer for theApple IIGS, which adds some unique features to your composition. It allowsyou to add lyrics to your compositions with an animated bouncing ball aswell as a "player piano" display. DiversiTune is a recording studio forMIDI keyboards. You can record multiple tracks with different voices(instruments), re-record when you make flubs, and so on. For users notinterested in composing their own songs, there are song disks that are alsoavailable. Some sample songs are included in the archive. Released asFreeware via the Lost Classics Project; please see the enclosed FREEWAREnotice for additional information. (Our thanks to Mitchell Spector for hishelp in securing this release.)                    ******************************* Name: PHOTONIX2.BXY (Utility Software) Date: 15-OCT-2000 14:40   By: HKATZ Size: 163072Photonix II is a copying program for the Apple IIgs: it brings togetheresthetics and technical performance with an attractive look, efficiency,and speed and effectiveness of its copying options. The program will dofull disk copying, either single disks or mass-copying, and will also dosome virus checking. Photonix II, unlike it's predecessor, is hard-driveinstallable.Minimum requirements for the use of Photonix II - An Apple IIgs, ROM 00,01, or 03 - A minimum of one Apple 3.5" disk drive, two is useful - Atleast 1.128 Megabytes of memory.Documentation files for this program have been written by Joe Walters andmay be found in the archive in both text and AppleWorks format (seephotonix.txt or photonix.awp.)Now release as Freeware by Olivier Goguel and FTA. Released via the LostClassics Project.                    ******************************* Name: DUELTRISR.BXY (Entertainment Software) Date: 15-OCT-2000 14:39   By: HKATZ Size: 307072Dueltris is a Tetris-like Apple IIGS game where the object is to make linesout of falling geometric shapes. Now released by DreamWorld Software asfreeware via the Lost Classics Project. Thanks to Mitchell Spector for helpin obtaining this release.                    ******************************* Name: DREAMGRAFIX.BXY (Graphics and Sound) Date: 15-OCT-2000 14:41   By: HKATZ Size: 553088DreamGrafix is an Apple IIGS paint program capable of working on 256-colorand even 3200-color images. It runs under GS/OS, and includes sample art.Now released as freeware by DreamWorld Software via the Lost ClassicsProject. Thanks to Mitchell Spector for his help in obtaining this release.(TONYW1, 33596, GO COM A2)[EOA][LSA]LANceGS SUPPORT AREA""""""""""""""""""""Since the support for the LANceGS card on A2Central.com is not yet working,here is a temporary support area.If you don't know the LANceGS card, please read all about it on {<http://lancegs.a2central.com> http://lancegs.a2central.com}Best regards,Joachim Lange(JLANGE6, 33232, GO COM A2)[EOA][LPL]LANceGS PRICE LOWERED"""""""""""""""""""""The strong Dollar allows us to lower the price for the LANceGS cardsignificantly.See the LANceGS support area at {<http://lancegs.a2central.com/> http://lancegs.a2central.com/}for an updated pricing.Joachim Lange(JLANGE6, 33362, GO COM A2)[EOA][SOA]LANceGS - SORTING IT OUT 1""""""""""""""""""""""""""From the LanceGS FAQ at http://lancegs.a2central.com/faq/index.html:> Note, however, that due to limitations in the current version of> Marinetti, you can't connect to systems through router devices; this> means you can only currently connect to computers on your local network.Could someone tell me what that means, or how to do it? I have DSL (notworking, but anyway...) and all the computers are online simultaneously byrunning through a router which connects to the DSL modem. How would I putmy IIgs online - that is, how can I connect my IIgs to my PowerBook G3,which has only one Ethernet port?Thanks,-Ken(KEN_GAGNE, 33383, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Could someone tell me what that means, or how to do it?It means that if the computer you want to connect to using LANceGS isn't inyour immediate vicinity and you can touch it, you can't do it.> I have DSL (not working, but anyway...) and all the computers are online> simultaneously by running through a router which connects to the DSL> modem. How would I put my IIgs online - that is, how can I connect my> IIgs to my PowerBook G3, which has only one Ethernet port?You'll need a hub and a second IP address. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 33389, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Ryan,I have enough unique IP addresses to satisfy the requirements of all thoseon the LAN, including a potential Apple IIgs. How much does a hub cost, andhow does it differ from a router?Sorry for the amateur questions, but I've never done any real networking(beyond dialing into the Internet) and all this stuff really is new to me.(Leave it to the Apple II to give me a reason to learn :)-Ken(KEN_GAGNE, 33409, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> I have enough unique IP addresses to satisfy the requirements of all> those on the LAN, including a potential Apple IIgs. How much does a hub> cost, and how does it differ from a router?Hubs will vary in cost by how many ports they have and what speed they runat. It's now pretty easy to find 8 port 10 base T hubs for $40 or less, atleast on the used/refurb/surplus market.A router is something that will actually send TCP/IP packets to the propercomputers on the hub, kind of like a policeman routing traffic. A hub justgets everything on the same road. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 33416, GO COM A2)[EOA][SOB]LANceGS - SORTING IT OUT 2""""""""""""""""""""""""""Does anyone have a IIGS (or IIe) hooked up to their Ethernet LAN AND canmake the telnet that comes with Marinetti work? I'm wondering if I'mmissing something blindingly obvious, or maybe I'm trying to do theimpossible. For that matter, the other comps can't ping my IIGs, though thehub says it's there, and on the TCPIP LanceGS tools, the IIGs sends outpackets and receives them just fine...Any ideas? THANKS!!~TarageEmail: {<mailto:tarage@bellsouth.net> tarage@bellsouth.net}(TARAGE, 33223, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Does anyone have a IIGS (or IIe) hooked up to their Ethernet LAN AND can> make the telnet that comes with Marinetti work?I haven't unpacked my GS since I moved two weeks ago, but before that, Icouldn't get any TCP/IP traffic to work. UDP and ICMP work fine.> I'm wondering if I'm missing something blindingly obvious, or maybe I'm> trying to do the impossible.I still have a little debugging to do with my set up to determine which bitof code is buggy.Its possible that the solution, as suggested in the LANceGS manual, is thatyou will have to adjust the load order of your system extensions to get itto work.> For that matter, the other comps can't ping my IIGsIf you are lucky, your GS will crash right away when it gets pinged. If youare unlucky, only your memory will get trashed.(SISGEOFF, 33238, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Does anyone have a IIGS (or IIe) hooked up to their Ethernet LAN AND can> make the telnet that comes with Marinetti work?So far, I've been totally unsuccessful at trying to make this work. Thisweekend, I intend to try SIS through the LANceGS to my hub, and then to mycable modem. Haven't tried that yet.> Its possible that the solution, as suggested in the LANceGS manual, is> that you will have to adjust the load order of your system extensions to> get it to work.Well, how about a simple "Full System v6.01 =AND= Marinetti" only? Shouldthat meet those requirements, or are you talking about load order of"extras"?Also, I haven't yet been able to even "see" my other computers hooked up tothe LAN, and the other computers haven't been able to "see" the IIgs. Cansomeone explain the total process (on both sides --- IIgs =and= Mac) to getat least this part to work? I don't need AppleTalk turned on, do I? Simplyturning on "File Sharing" should do it...I think?BTW, the LANceGS passes all tests, so I know the hardware's working, and Iknow the Mac's hardware is working, and I know the LAN wiring is working,so it must be configuration that I can't figure out. Any help at all wouldbe great, but if someone could put together a "step-by-step" process forfile sharing with the IIgs/LANceGS combo and a Mac, I'm sure it wouldbenefit many...and I'd be your slave for life! ;-)Jeff CarrCruising the 'rainbow' path provided by:Spectrum v2.3 and Crock O' Gold v3.3(LUMITECH, 33249, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""The LANceGS card and software don't do AppleTalk, so file sharing isentirely irrelevant. The only software that will work, at this time, wouldbe Marinetti-compatible networking programs.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 33251, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Also, I haven't yet been able to even "see" my other computers hooked up> to the LAN, and the other computers haven't been able to "see" the IIgs.> Can someone explain the total process (on both sides --- IIgs =and= Mac)> to get at least this part to work? I don't need AppleTalk turned on, do> I? Simply turning on "File Sharing" should do it...I think?Jeff,The key to see whether two computers can talk to each other over a LAN isto check out if a Ping request will be successfully replied to. Since thePing from outside towards the Apple won't work (at this time), you need tocheck the opposite direction. If you get back a Ping reply on your Apple(after having sent out a Ping request), the computers can talk to eachother. This confirmation means that these two computers most likely will beable to exchange data using the TCP/IP protocol. Other protocols (there areplenty of others) are not supported by Marinetti.You have two choices for a Ping test. Either use Geoff Weiss' GWPing withMarinetti installed, or use the IPTools program supplied on the LANceGSdisk (Marinetti not required for this one).> BTW, the LANceGS passes all tests, so I know the hardware's working, and> I know the Mac's hardware is working, and I know the LAN wiring is> working, so it must be configuration that I can't figure out. Any help at> all would be great, but if someone could put together a "step-by-step"> process for file sharing with the IIgs/LANceGS combo and a Mac, I'm sure> it would benefit many...and I'd be your slave for life! ;-)Regarding the LANceGS card, I have never used the words "AppleTalk" and"File Sharing" in any of my statements or specifications, so I'm somewhatastonished how these expectations come up. From the first day the LANceGShas been made public, I thought it was clear that the card works withMarinetti, and it should be clear enough what Marinetti does. Marinetti isthe TCP/IP protocol handler, and it's up to the user application set on topof the TCP/IP stack what can be achieved.Joachim(JLANGE6, 33252, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Either use Geoff Weiss' GWPing with Marinetti installed, or use the> IPTools program supplied on the LANceGS disk.I never got the Ping in IPTools to work. The ping program I wrote worksfine. I didn't spend any time to figure out why the one in IPTools didn'twork since mine worked.Geoff Weiss(SISGEOFF, 33254, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""In message 'LanceGS :) Problems :( (Re: Msg 33249)' JLANGE6 said:> The key to see whether two computers can talk to each other over a LAN> is to check out if a Ping request will be successfully replied to. Since> the Ping from outside towards the Apple won't work (at this time), you> need to check the opposite direction. If you get back a Ping reply on> your Apple (after having sent out a Ping request), the computers can talk> to each other. This confirmation means that these two computers most> likely will be able to exchange data using the TCP/IP protocol. Other> protocols (there are plenty of others) are not supported by Marinetti.I understand this part, and am using Marinetti TCP/IP. However, I've beenunable to exchange data. Ping requests from the IIgs are answered by theMac.> You have two choices for a Ping test. Either use Geoff Weiss' GWPing with> Marinetti installed, or use the IPTools program supplied on the LANceGS> disk (Marinetti not required for this one).I've been using the IPTools program supplied on the LANceGS disk, withsuccess...for Pings only.> Regarding the LANceGS card, I have never used the words "AppleTalk" and> "File Sharing" in any of my statements or specifications, so I'm somewhat> astonished how these expectations come up. From the first day the LANceGS> has been made public, I thought it was clear that the card works with> Marinetti, and it should be clear enough what Marinetti does. Marinetti> is the TCP/IP protocol handler, and it's up to the user application set> on top of the TCP/IP stack what can be achieved.OK, from this point is where it becomes unclear to me. The two computers(IIgs and iMac) are connected via TCP/IP to a hub, and the IIgssuccessfully sends pings to the Mac via the IPTools program supplied. Myexperience, from a "user" standpoint, is that once I've made a successfulTCP/IP connection via EtherNet (regardless of platform), the two computersare "sharing", or "talking" as you call it above. The only reason I evenmentioned "AppleTalk" is because I can't seem to share with the Mac viathis configuration, so I thought perhaps "AppleTalk" needed to be turnedon.I'm not intending to imply that there was any mis-representation, so pleasedon't interpret my queries as that. My understanding, as a "user", must beflawed. I know that Marinetti is required on the IIgs side, and it isactive and being used successfully for testing. So, what "userapplications" can I use, both on the IIgs side =and= the Mac side, tofurther enhance the communication level above simple "pinging"?That, basically, is my question. Sorry if I introduced or implied anythingelse. I'm happy that I bought the card and know that it will serve thepurpose that I want it to, it's simply that I obviously don't understandwhat's needed from a "user" level to further implement the connection.Jeff CarrCruising the 'rainbow' path provided by:Spectrum v2.3 and Crock O' Gold v3.3(LUMITECH, 33256, GO COM A2)[EOA][NDL]NEW DRIVER FOR THE LANceGS CARD"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""To all, mostly..Got the newest driver for the LANceGS and have escaped my local network...Joy!I'm using IPNetRouter on a Mac to share my cable modem and now my GS isfree to roam the Internet like the Big Boys. B-{)I love seeing hub LED's flash from my GS's port!Thanks, Joachim!(KMITCHEL, 33586, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Editor's note:If you own tHE LANCEGS card you should consider asking for the recentlyupdated driver.  Send email to ///SHH Systeme and ask for a copy.[EOA][BDO]BRUTAL DELUXE ONLINE WITH NEW WEB SITE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Brutal Deluxe Software...is proud to announce that our new web site is online.Please visit us at{<http://www.brutal-deluxe.net> www.brutal-deluxe.net} ;-) Antoine Vignau & Olivier ZardiniBrutal Deluxe Software(TOINET, 33608, GO COM A2)[EOA][PSD]PROBLEMS WITH SUPER DRIVE"""""""""""""""""""""""""I happened to get hold of a Super Drive and its controller the other day,so I thought all the PC <--> IIgs transfer hassles would be eliminated forgood. I plugged the controller in slot 5, connected the Super Drive andanother 800K 3.5" drive, entered control panel and set slot 5 to "yourcard". I booted system 6.0.1 but the drive icons did not appear on thedesktop.That didn't matter as they did show up when I inserted 800K disks in them.However, the most bizarre phenomenon has just begun. I formatted several1.4MB HD disks on my pc with Windows 98 SE. When I put a blank disk in theSuper Drive, the system could recognize it and showed "MS-DOS xxx" as thename of the icon. I tried to copy a 2MG file from pc and put it in theSuper Drive again, and it was able to read the file as well as copy it to afolder on IIgs' hard drive. But when I put a SHK or SDK file in the disk,the icon would not appear nor any utility I tried was able to recognize thedisk and file.In short, as long as there were SHK or SDK files in the disk, my IIgssimply refused to recognize it, but that did not happen when the disk wasempty or contained 2MG files. I also tried to install all possible FST andwhat not from system 6.0.1 install disk, but nothing helped at all. I hopeanyone experienced in such matter could help. Any kind of opinion is alsoappreciated.(SAVANT32, 33175, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> I happened to get hold of a Super Drive and its controller the other day,> so I thought all the PC <--> IIgs transfer hassles would be eliminated> for good.Trust me, it will. I now have a SuperDrive setup on each of my currentlyactive IIgs's and it has become an indispensable tool for file exchange.I believe I know the cause of your problem and how to solve it, see below.> I plugged the controller in slot 5, connected the Super Drive and another> 800K 3.5" drive, entered control panel and set slot 5 to "your card".A small tip: I suggest installing the card in slot-6 and setting that to'Your Card'. This disables any 5.25" drives that may be connected, butrarely will you need one operating along side your SuperDrive at the sametime (and when it is needed, just toggle the Control Panel setting andreboot).Next, attach your Apple 3.5 (800K) to the GS's built-in floppy port whichwill now be free. Many older games, demos and applications are hardcoded towork using the Smartport and will _fail_ to boot through a drive attachedto an Apple II 3.5 Disk Controller Card. If you want compatibility witholder floppy based software, this is a must.> I booted system 6.0.1 but the drive icons did not appear on the desktop.> That didn't matter as they did show up when I inserted 800K disks in> them. However, the most bizarre phenomenon has just begun. I formatted> several 1.4MB HD disks on my pc with Windows 98 SE.The problem is this, Windows 95 and later introduced long file names thatshattered the 8.3 limit of MS-DOS and Windows 3.11 (which was just a shellinterface atop DOS). Apple released the MSDOS.FST back in 1993, well beforeWindows 95 and up, and thus doesn't understand how to deal very well withlong file names among other things.One "bug" is if you format a floppy disk *without* giving it a volumelabel, the MSDOS.FST won't attempt to mount the disk. Even if you attemptto correct this by later giving the disk a volume label once there filesare copied to it, it still won't mount.The solution is simple: Format (or quick format/erase) a floppy disk andgive it a volume label **BEFORE** you copy any files to it. Once you'vedone this, the disk will read fine on the Apple IIgs side.Peter Watson's "MUG!" NDA is unaffected by this incidentally, although Istill like being able to read MSDOS diskettes from the Finder desktop andany GS/OS applications (i.e. ShrinkIt-GS). It is still worthwhile getting ahold of MUG! since it allows you to write (albeit slowly) to MSDOS volumes,whereas Apple's FST is read-only.If you have a SuperDrive setup, MUG! (or Peter's shell based MS-DOSUtilities if you prefer a command line) is a must-have.Mitchell Spector {<mailto:spec@total.net> spec@total.net}(SPECTOR1, 33190, GO COM A2)<<<<<"""""Giving a volume label after formatting a MS-DOS disk DID work! Now the IIgscan see the disk and the files on it when it is inserted in the drive. Thisis indeed tricky which I never regarded as necessary or important whentwiddling with pc. I think I am granted the access to the SHK library Ihave collected but haven't been able to use. A million thanks to Mitchell!You did help me a lot. By the way, putting the controller in slot 6 is alsoa nice tip.Thanks to Ryan and Joat too. I paid attention to make the file namesconform to MS-DOS restrictions (8+3). The situation was that the disk wasinvisible (not mounted) on desktop if I put SHK files in it, so I had noway to see the contents. Even GSHK was unable to read the files on thedisk. But they are all resolved now. Thanks for your opinions.(SAVANT32, 33221, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Giving a volume label after formatting a MS-DOS disk DID work! Now the> IIgs can see the disk and the files on it.Glad that did the trick, I suspected that was the source of your problem.Now that your able to transfer software to your IIgs, I suggest one of thefirst things you download is Peter Watson's MUG! NDA for writing to MSDOS,allowing you to transfer files in the opposite direction. Follow the URLbelow: {<ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/System/Ndas/mug101.bxy>ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple16/System/Ndas/mug101.bxy}Incidentally, if you download from a web browser on the PC side, make sureto right-click on files and select "Save Link As". Clicking on it directlywill cause it to be displayed as ASCII and subsequently not saved in binarymode afterwards (which WILL corrupt a ShrinkIt archive). You can alsoconfigure Netscape to recognize *.SHK, *.BXY, etc, as binary files to avoidtrouble altogether.>Thanks to Ryan and Joat too. I paid attention to make the file>names conform to MS-DOS restrictions (8+3).That's not entirely necessary. If you copy a file to disk which file nameexceeds DOS's 8.3 limit, GS/OS displays it much the way MS-DOS would. Forexample, "Wolfenstein3D.SHK" will be shortened and displayed as"Wolfen~1.SHK" and will _still_ be accessible from ShrinkIt-GS. If you wantto see the entire long file name displayed, view the disk using MUG! NDA.Mitchell Spector {<mailto:spec@total.net> spec@total.net}(SPECTOR1, 33243, GO COM A2)[EOA][WPL]WHICH PRINTER FOR PRINTING LABELS WITH THE Apple II?""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A dot-matrix printer still works better with AppleWorks for mailing labelsthan a laser printer does--I've never quite gotten the printout to line upproperly with the sheet-feed method that laser printer uses. :)Later..........Howard(HKATZ, 33365, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""That's what I originally thought when I first got my LaserJet, but really,I don't think it's true after having fed thousands and thousands of addresslabels through the LaserJet.The only real problem is lining up the top label, but I have a perfectlyacceptable work-around for that. I do waste some labels, but at $10 or sofor 5000 labels, who cares?It'd be much easier to show you how I do it, but I'll try to explain it...I use standard continuous feed labels, 11 to a sheet, remove the top mostlabel, and then fold over the top approximately 1/2 inch. Then, whether Ihave one label to print, or 1000, just feed those folded-over strips oflabels through the LaserJet.OTOH, I do use AppleWorks GS for printing my return address label, and withGS/OS and Harmonie, no folding is necessary ;-)It's been a long time since I set up those AW custom report formats, but ifyou want me to look at the settings I use, give a holler.As it is, I kept the IW II set up just for labels, but not for long ;-) Joe Kohn http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko(JOE_KOHN, 33371, GO COM A2)<<<<<"""""I would like to know your method for doing it on AW classic, Joe. do youalso know offhand the "avery label" type you're using?Later..........Howard(HKATZ, 33376, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""To begin with, Howard, I'm using the LaserJet driver that was on the NAUGPrinter Disk. As I remember, all I had to do to get that going was tochange the Init String so that it worked with my parallel card.As far as the labels, I'm currently using Avery brand 4013.Those come 12 to a sheet. I waste the top one, as I pull it off, and thenfold over the top of that sheet 1/2 inch. Since my method only prints 10labels per sheet, I have an extra one at the bottom of each sheet, so Ire-use those later when I have just one label to print.In the AppleWorks Database, I have a report format set up for mailinglabels, and here's the settings which I think are the most importantones... Platen Width = 8.0" Left Margin = .3" Right Margin = 0.0 Paper Length = 1.0" Top/Bottom Margins = 0.0 Printing Length = 1.0" Lines Per Inch = 6I set up that report format soon after getting the LaserJet, and have neverhad to fiddle with it at all. For my purposes, it works fast andefficiently, whether I have one mailing label to print or 1,000.If I left anything out, just holler. Joe Kohn http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko(JOE_KOHN, 33396, GO COM A2)<<<<<"""""The NAUG printer driver disk can be found both here, and on the Trenco FTPdatabase too. (ftp.gno.org). There's versions set up for AW3, 4 and 5, aswell as a nifty utility by Doug Gum that will take a custom printer setupfrom one version of AW, and then read it into the SEG.ER file of another.So, if you have a custom printer setup in AW3, you can have the programread it into AW5 and you don't have to worry about mistyping when puttingall those esc. codes in by hand. :)Come to think of it, th NAUG driver disks are also available from SSII, ifmemory serves. :)Later............Howard(HKATZ, 33430, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Well, that, and about 600 other National AppleWorks User Group disks.For folks who would rather not (or can't) download it, the NAUG PrinterDisk is available for $5, and that includes versions for AW 3 to AW 5. Joe Kohn Shareware Solutions II 166 Alpine St San Rafael, CA 94901   Joe   http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko(JOE_KOHN, 33431, GO COM A2)[EOA]------------------------------------     DISTILLATIONS FROM DELPHI A2P |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[BBS]BUGS IN BASIC SYSTEM v1.5 ?""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I recently was looking over the "Time in a Bottle" CD which consists ofposts and programs from the old GEnie A2 forums, and it had some vaguemessages pertaining to possible bugs in Basic.System v1.5.Does anyone know of any bugs in Basic.System v1.5?The posts were written in the fashion "I seem to recall a problem..." andkept asking for a Tim Keller to verify. Is Tim Keller still around?The problems were:1) Problems with large text files, &2) Mysterious hangsWell, this info is vague, but I have seen hangs during the CLOSE command(which also sometimes trashes the file & directory to such a point that youhave to use ProSel-16's hidden sort-delete command to fix it).My exact problem: I have poked locations on page 3 that don't change duringa reboot and I narrowed down my mysterious hangs to the CLOSE command. Itdoes not consistently happen, but running the program under GS/OS system 6(ProDOS v2.0.3 & BI v1.5) it happens quite a bit. Booting directly intoProDOS helps a little.Also when the program hangs the GS control panel is locked out, reset won'treset, and only a open-apple-control-reset will recover. Rarely, the hangcauses file damage (see above).I've rewrote this section of code 3 times now without luck, but the programused to run flawlessly. So I went back to my archives and ran it for a fewweeks AND had no problem! Why? Well, the archive 3.5" disk which I wasbooting into had ProDOS v1.8 and Basic.System v1.5. So I started bootingdirectly into a ProDOS partition with ProDOS v1.8 and have had NO problems!At this point there is only one possibility that I can think of that mightcause these problems: there is only 2K of free memory in my program whenthe text file is opened (leaving less than 1K remaining).Any thoughts?Jeff Finkemail: {<mailto:finkjsc@yahoo.com> finkjsc@yahoo.com}(FINKSTERJ, 3205, GO COM A2P)>>>>>"""""I think I first brought this up to both Tim Kellers and Howard Katz over onGEnie shortly after I discovered BASIC SYSTEM 1.5.At the time I was involved with a company called Temporal Acuity Products(TAP), and had developed a hard drive version of their 50+ musicreading/training programs. I had been using BASIC 1.4.1 with ProDOS 1.9. Iswitched to ProDOS 2.x and BASIC 1.5.I was experiencing occasional lockups in the programs, but never reallyreproducible on a regular basis. However, I did notice that some programsthat had INVERSE characters would display MOUSETEXT instead of the olderduplicate set of inverse characters. Tim, particularly, agreed that theremust be some bug in 1.5 ... because if I used the same version of ProDOS,but changed to BASIC 1.4.1 there never was a problem.We never did figure out was/is wrong with 1.5's code. <sigh>This is why I still use BASIC 1.4.1 ... even on my gs.ChuckCHunk_S --- Your A2 Forum Host (go com a2)  Delivered by OLRight! (v4.1) scripts for ANSITerm for the Apple IIgs    and posted on the TEXT side.(CHUNK_S, 3207, GO COM A2P)[EOA]------------------------------------             LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |------------------------------------[NSC]NO SLOT CLOCK OPERATION / INSTALLATION""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Yesterday I saw that you had a reference in one of the latest issues of TheLamp (August 2000) about the No Slot Clock (NSC).  First, some historyabout my equipment:I have a //e with a NSC as well as a Franklin 1200, both of which also havea Z80 computer.  They both have 2 disk drive boards and the Apple has an 8Mhz ZIP chip and an 128K expansion board while the Franklin has a SuperSerial Card (SSC) with a 300 baud modem.  Just 2 weeks ago I was given a 32Meg PC (ugh) with 56k modem but I still do and always will use my 6502s for99% of my work.  I have Turbo Pascal 3.0, Apple Pascal 1.2, Fortran, Mix C,GraForth, many Basics and many other languages that run on these 'olddilapidated' machines.  I got my //e 10 years ago because my Franklin 1000was killed by trying to get the ZIP Chip to work in it. Shortly aftergetting my //e, I saw a NSC at a local electronics store and bought it.  Istill have the original box it came in as well as the instructions andsoftware that came with it.  After I got the NSC, I wrote several utilitiesto display and change its DATA.  One of the latest things that I have doneis get the ProDOS version of ZBasic (vice the CPM version that  alreadyhad) and I have translated these programs to work under that language.A No Slot Clock (NSC) can easily get around the problem of no spare slotsand it provides an excellent clock source that gives more information thana time card does (this was the original question).  In the old //e's itgoes under the CD chip & the documentation has it as the CE (don't theymean CF?) ROM in the newer (it's the only PROM).NOTE:  You will NOT damage your computer if the NSC is in the wrong socketjust as long as you always get the pin orientation of the NSC and ICcorrect (and of course never break off any the pins).Under DOS 3.3, you must first BLOAD CLOCKREAD and do a CALL in order toread data from the NSC or BLOAD CLOCKWRITE and do a CALL in order to writedata to the NSC.  (I use a hello program that I call HELLO.TIME that clearsthe screen and prints out the current time/date and Day Of Week and thenwaits for a keypress before running what was my regular HELLO program).If you are in ProDOS and you just want the time (HH:MM) and date(MM/DD/YY), then you do NOT have to do anything special after you haveloaded (booted with) the altered ProDOS (eg. if you just want your CATalogto be date/time stamped when you do disk operations, like saves, etc. OR ifyou used a specialized BASIC like ZBASIC that has TIME and DATE functionsbuilt into them ).  If you want to get the seconds, hundredths of secondsand the Day Of Week or have these DATA or the time while using DOS 3.3,then you must BLOAD the CLOCKREAD program first and use a CALL statementwhenever you wanted the latest values.From the SetUp disk that comes with the clock, you must do the following:1) First run the INSTALL.BAS program.2) Highlight the SETCLOCK utility and run it to set the time, month, date,   hours and minutes. Select Install Patch to ProDOS System where you will   be asked to install a disk to update the ProDOS.. (If it does not   recognize the version of ProDOS, it will not update it and print out a   message saying so.)3) Then you must reboot your system with this disk in order to use the   clock.Always run the SETCLOCK utility from the utility at least ONCE afterinstalling the clock.This patches the ProDOS to read date and time from the NSC.  As far as Ican recall, this has always been then ONLY way to access the NSC.  I havenever seen or heard of a version for the NSC that was a *.SYSTEM program.However, I have entered and used a *.SYSTEM program that would load and runfirst and would allow you to set the time and date and would then run asecond *.SYSTEM file.  (This was actually a BASIC program that ran 1stafter loading BASIC.SYSTEM and gave you the option of setting any time ordate option and set a default value for changes that were not changed.This allowed you to have your files date/time stamped even though you didNOT have a timecard.  (from Nibble magazine, COMPUTE!, etc.) (does italready do so on a GS ?).Anyway, I could supply them the code to SET, read and write to the NSC(a copy of the 5.25 floppy that came with the NSC).I was never able to figure out how to switch between 12 / 24 hour format(it seems that 12 hour format is a setting of the HI bit (MSB) to 1 in the5th register).  A setting of the 5th bit (2 bits to the right of the MSB)of that register being the bit that indicates AM / PM hours with a 1indicating PM ( stating that bit 5 is the second 10 hour bit (20-23 hours).Dan Wallace   Dan_Wallace@Juno.com  or  wallacde@onizuka.af.mil[EOA][CAT]C FOR THE 8 BIT Apple II""""""""""""""""""""""""First quotes from the January, 1999 issue of The Lamp.--- start of quotes ---C FOR THE 8 BIT II?   You won't find any on disk. The only C-like compiler"""""""""""""""""""   ever created for 8-bit Apple II systems that I'maware of is HyperC, and as far as I know it can only be gotten bydownloading it.(I don't deny the possibility that other 8-bit C compilers have existed forthe II, but I don't know of any for sure :)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                       (SHEPPY, 2362, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Actually, there was a compiler called Aztec C from Manx Software"""""   years ago. I expect you'd have to find a used copy at this point.In general, though, the Apple IIc just doesn't have enough memory for a Ccompiler. As you start to use whatever you find, keep that basic fact inmind. If you're serious about C programming, you need a largermachine--like the Apple IIGS.Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2363, GO COM A2PRO)--- end of quotes ---Now my comments:First, I have and use Apple Pascal 1.2 as well as what I originally had,Turbo Pascal 3.0.There was also the mention of  'Aztec C' for the Apple back in the 80's.However, I have a powerful C that was not mentioned.  It is called 'Mix C'and sold for only $30.  There was also a 'Small C' in the Public  Domainthat I have yet to figure out.The only trouble with Turbo Pascal and Mix C is the fact that you need aCPM board (with a Z80 chip) to order to run them on the Apple.  I hadpurchased an AE Z-80 board for my original Franklin Ace 1000 very early onin order to run Turbo Pascal.  I now have a Franklin Ace 1200 as well as anApple //e (with an 8 Mhz Zip chip), both of which have a Z80 board.This board makes the computer actually '2' computers in one.  It greatlyincreases the available software and greatly enhances the ability of theApple //.  Using the CPM board, I have the 'C', Pascal and Fortran as wellas several Basics (C, G, M, Z etc.) to use as languages in which to writeprograms in on a 'BASIC only' Apple //.What many people do not realize is that CPM, developed by DEC, is whatMSDOS/basic was developed from (on a PDP 1170, like the one I used almost20 years ago) in just a couple of days.  If you know CPM, then you know howto use MSDOS, something that most people cannot do today.  The 'Windows'operating system is just MSDOS with a GUI (graphical interface), one of theoldest of systems.Dan Wallace <Dan_Wallace@juno.com>Dan Wallace <wallacde@onizuka.af.mil>[EOA][LTE]AN INVITATION~~~~~~~~~~~~~Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of theApple II computers.Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considersunsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.[EOA][KFT]KFest 2001""""""""""                                Plan Ahead                                ~~~~~~~~~~KFest 2001 is set for July 25-29 (early arrivals on July 24) at AvilaCollege.  Put it on your calender and start saving your money.  You will beglad you did.[EOA][INN]------------------------------                     EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp!   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