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An Onipa'a Software Production       Vol. 2, No. 11 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher & Editor.......................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Internet Email....................................thelamp@sheppyware.net ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                             TABLE OF CONTENTS                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                             November 15, 1999OPENING PITCH     How Big Did You Want That Bridge? ------------------------------ [OPN]A FUNNY THING HAPPENED                                                [FOR]     The Heat Is On ------------------------------------------------- [HET]     Miscellanea                                                      [MSC]     Rumor Mill ----------------------------------------------------- [RMR]     Public Postings                                                  [PUB]     Best Of The Best ----------------------------------------------- [BOB]WEB SLINGING 101     Tymenet and Sprintnet Alternatives ----------------------------- [WEB]PERSPECTIVE POSITIVE     Where Are You? by Tee Cashmore --------------------------------- [POP]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].         :: DISCUSSED ON DELPHI ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         :                                                       :         :   Give me chastity and continence, but not just now.  :         :                                                       :         :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TONYW1 :::::::::::::[EOA][OPN]------------------------------                     OPENING PITCH |-----------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]                     HOW BIG DID YOU WANT THAT BRIDGE?                     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     I don't normally start my editorials with jokes--at least notintentionally--but there's a point to this, trust me:     A guy was walking down the beach in Hawai'i and he found a bottle.  Heopened it and a genie popped out, saying, "Thanks for freeing me--I nowgrant you a wish."  The guy said, "Well, I've always wanted to go toCalifornia, but I'm terrified of flying.  Could you build me a bridge?"     "Sorry, that's just too hard to do," the genie replied.  "Could youchoose something else?"     "Okay. . . I always wanted to understand women."     "How big did you want that bridge?"     It seems to me that when you're asked to do the impossible--somethingthat Apple II users ask of their machines, their community, and themselvesevery day--something just slightly less impossible seems routine.Unfortunately, the impossible this month was getting this issue out ontime.  What was just slightly less impossible was getting it out at all.  Apretty serious case of the flu and some pretty serious turbulence in myfamily and personal life have combined to make this issue a lot later thanI'd like.  I'd blame it on work if I could, but this time I can't.     In any case, in my penultimate issue as editor, I'd like to say thatI'm leaving you to a better schedule than I could provide.  My recenttardiness doesn't speak to how much I've enjoyed doing this, and how funit's all been.  Or how hard it's been to get it done.     Of course, I haven't had time to reflect enough on that.     I've been busy building a bridge.                                [*] [*] [*]     Toll Booth Department: there's no A2Pro section in this issue, as,interestingly, there wasn't a single post in Delphi's A2Pro Forum this pastmonth.     Additionally, we have two articles in this issue--one from one of ourregulars, Tee Cashmore, the other a combination of work by Howard Katz,Lyle Syverson, and myself.  This last article ought to be of particularinterest to those Delphi users using Sprintnet or Tymenet as their methodof access.     The big news this month is that the Delphi Online Service isdiscontinuing direct dialup access--that is, you will no longer be able toaccess Delphi by Sprintnet or Tymenet.  Before anyone starts off on an AOLrant, the reality is that Delphi -will- continue to be accessible by AppleII users--it'll just only be accessible via telnet.     For those of you still using Sprintnet or Tymenet access, please readthe article in this issue co-authored by Howard Katz, Lyle Syverson, andmyself.  It's specifically designed to assist those of you who will need totransition to some other type of access.     This is known as building another bridge.Ryanthelamp@sheppyware.netASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA][OPN]------------------------------     A FUNNY THING HAPPENED. . . . |-----------------------------------Checking out A2 on Delphi"""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]       * The Heat Is On              * Miscellanea                     * Rumor Mill                            * Public Postings                                        * Best Of The Best                              THE HEAT IS ON                              """"""""""""""     [*] Graphics And Sound          ....... Old Apple TV Ads Offline     [*] Telecommunications          ....... Cable Or DSL And A ][     [*] Entertainment Software      ....... Return Of Rescue Rover     [*] Telecommunications          ....... Textside Troubles?                                MISCELLANEA                                """""""""""TOO MUCH POWER?   Yup, I know of at least two motherboards that got fried"""""""""""""""   by flaky output from a high powered supply. (It was an AEheavy duty supply that, for no particular reason, liked to spike thevoltage every once in a while.)If you have been using that power supply consistently through a fewdifferent motherboards, I'd give a stock supply a try to see how longthings run/last with that.Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 26312, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I know you said your stuff was toast, but I'm throwing this out"""""   anyway.A fellow in my Apple club bought a Buggie power supply. It came and hisRamFAST would not work. He took the Buggie out and had Steve send another.It also would not allow him to boot.He asked me for help so I brought my Buggie power supply over and his IIgsbooted fine.I took both supplies home and tried them on my system. Neither would work.I then measured the 12 and 5 volt supplies (and if memory serves) one orboth of the 5V supplies was too hot. These measurements were taken whilethe power supply was connected to the IIgs.In conversation with Steve it turned out that (at that time at least) hedidn't have a RamFAST so he could not test his supplies to see if it wouldwork. It appears that the RamFAST is very critical of any deviations from5V. In addition, he didn't measure the voltage while the unit was pluggedinto a working //e or IIgs, which I think is crucial. (Where is Harold whenyou need him?)So, my bottom line in this is to ask if you have measured the four voltagesthat the unit produces?FWIW, there was a guy a couple of years ago on csa2 that got pretty hottowards Steve in an interminable thread about having such a high powereddevice connected to a unit that was designed for considerably less current.His point was that Steve should put four in-line fast blow fuses to protectthe Apple and any boards connected to it. (Harold would probably also liketo see some sort of in-line inducters to keep a sudden "burp" withinbounds.)Kind Regards, Joe Walters/BirdLives Email - yardbird@primenet.com                       (BIRDLIVES, 26320, GO COM A2)CARL KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A ][ AND ][+   For someone with an""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   original Apple ][ whowould rather have a ][+, this is a great item. I upgraded my ][ with a Romswap many years ago. I don't know if the resulting Integer Rom card isstill in my closet with the ][(+) or not. :)  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Wed 13 Oct 99 9:27:24 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.1 Y][Kfest, July 26-30, 2000 - 287 days till Y][Kfest Using Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 26572, GO COM A2)<<<<<   The switch selected which Rom you got at power-up. DOS would switch"""""   between them as needed, so the position was moot with a bootabledisk on line.One socket empty? This may be an Integer card, not an AppleSoft card. Theonly difference was the Roms. Check the Roms for MicroSoft copyrights.  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Fri 15 Oct 99 9:12:01 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.1 Y][Kfest, July 26-30, 2000 - 285 days till Y][Kfest Using Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 26637, GO COM A2)<<<<<   It goes in slot zero, replacing the 16K ram card, if you have one."""""   If you put it in a II+ and try to run an integer program and itruns, it's an Integer Card. If it's an AppleSoft card, you should get a"Language Not Available." This assumes you do have a disk drive attached.You could swap the Roms with the motherboard, and they would work justfine, but Most people I knew, including myself, swapped the other way.  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Sat 16 Oct 99 10:44:06 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.1 Y][Kfest, July 26-30, 2000 - 284 days till Y][Kfest Using Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 26683, GO COM A2)<<<<<   What I and most others did was change a ][ into a ][+. This made it"""""   possible to run ProDOS, which required AppleSoft on themotherboard. The discussion was about putting a rom card into a ][+, to seeif it was AppleSoft or Integer. From the description, it is probably anInteger card.  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Sun 17 Oct 99 7:11:47 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.1 Y][Kfest, July 26-30, 2000 - 283 days till Y][Kfest Using Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 26713, GO COM A2)I JUST WANT PLAIN TEXT   Just about any word processor can save (export)""""""""""""""""""""""   files as plain text. My choices would beAppleWorks and Hermes (nee ShadowWrite.) Hermes is available here in the A2Database. CoolWriter should be able to do this as well. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager - Tue Oct 05, 1999 1:32:37 am [Delivered with Spectrum v2.2 and Crock O' Gold v3.2] --                        (TONYW1, 26326, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Also, depending on your needs, several comm programs have fairly"""""   decent if not totally feature-filled text editors (read: wordprocessors). There's one in ProTerm and Modem MGR; not sure about Spectrumsince I can't run it. :)Leon, if you're going to be using the files on the internet, you do need toadd a LF character to each line since the Unix shell you have willotherwise read the Apple file (CR only) as one long line. I've got a coupleof very small utilities from Joe (Yardbird) Walters that will "convert" thefile either way. Contact me via email and we'll get these over to you.Tony--I can name one WP that didn't output to text files: GeoWorks. Ibought it, found out it didn't, and since I needed it for that purpose, Itook it back to the store I got it at.Later............Howard                         (HKATZ, 26331, GO COM A2)CR?  LF?  CR/LF?   I do know from personal experience that if you take a""""""""""""""""   text file written on an Apple and try to read it with aunix shell editor such as pico, it comes thru as one long line, and alsothat as you noted, IBM clones (a PC is a "personal computer" - our Applesare that! :) ) can have problems too. That's why whenever I do a filetransfer, I always run it thru the apple-to-unix program before sending it.Later..........Howard                         (HKATZ, 26354, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Well, just so you and anyone else who is interested knows, here are"""""   the end of line (EOL) characters as used by some platforms:     Platform      End Of Line character(s) Abbreviation       ASCII ----------------- ------------------------ ------------- --------------- Apple II & Mac    Carriage Return             CR or ^M    13 or $0D Unix              Line Feed                   LF or ^J    10 or $10 IBM & compatibles Carriage Return followed CR/LF or ^M^J 13/10 or $0D/$10                   by a Line FeedI usually just use Spectrum's editor to do a find and replace on all theend of line characters in a document if I want to clean it up for use on myIIgs or for sending to a different platform. For example, if I transfer atext file from my Pentium II, I'll replace all occurrences of ^M^J with ^M.There are other utilities that will do this as well and probably faster butI have Spectrum installed and often I'm using it when I'm sending orreceiving files that need the EOL character changed so I just use it.By the way, this is why ASCII mode should be avoided when transferringbinary files via FTP. ASCII mode will automatically change the EOLcharacter during transfer so unless you are getting the file from a Mac FTPserver you will end up changing or losing some of the data that getstransferred. Jeff Blakeney Dean of the Apple II University in A2Pro                       (JBLAKENEY, 26357, GO COM A2)THE IMAGEWRITER II LIVES   Two things that the Imagewriter (I or II) can do""""""""""""""""""""""""   better than any newer technology printer:1. print out really long source code listings really cheap and on one   continuous piece of paper.2. print effectively to multipart carbons. . .- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_ My words are not to be posted to usenet without my permission ever. Boycott Alamo!  Boycott Alamo!  Boycott Alamo!  Boycott Alamo! Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                       (RSUENAGA, 26475, GO COM A2)HP INKJET HACKING   There are a couple of things that need to be looked at"""""""""""""""""   on the DeskJet/Writer.There are 3 or 6 little O rings under the paper pickup. I do not rememberif they can be seen from the top of you need to disassemble the printer.The entire printer has no screws, is all snapped together. The top comesoff, the print assembly comes off the bottom for three major parts. Themini O rings are definetely accessible if it's apart. One or two of themtend to 'derail', (when you see them you will know what I mean).As for the 'rubberizing' bit, my terminology, using steel wool or lightsand paper you need to 'deep clean' those three LARGE rollers that suck upthe paper. Then take deglosser or lacquer thinner and clean them off, dothat a couple times. They have loads of paper dust all imbedded in them andthey skid on the paper and "peel out" pushing a whole mess of paper in ornot picking up any.Do not ask me for more specific details on disassembling the printer, Ihave not done one in a while so I can not graphically describe it. I willtell you that it is not hard, there are some "latches" hold the top DOWN tothe bottom, so if you go around the perimeter on the bottom you will seeit. You need to stick a flat head screwdriver in some slots and push thelatches to one side. I can have one apart in 30 seconds if it's on front ofme so it's not that hard to do.Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 26497, GO COM A2)>>>>>   In most auto parts stores, there is a product called "RubberLube"."""""   This will work. Also, in electronics stores, i.e. Radio Shack,there is a similar product (don't remember the name) that is made to applyto a cassette tape deck's capstan drive wheel.There are probably sever other "home" products that will serve this purposeas well, but I have no idea what they might be.Jeff Carr Sun, 10 Oct 99 @ 19:23:06Cruising the 'rainbow' path provided by:Spectrum v2.2 and Crock O' Gold v3.2 Serial Interface - A spoon.                       (LUMITECH, 26498, GO COM A2)>>>>>   There was a certain period during which Hewlett Packard produced"""""   some DeskWriters and DeskJets with defective rubber in the rollers.They made a kit which consisted of a plate which held abrasive materialagainst the rollers while included software (Mac and Windows only, sorry)made the rollers run continuously for 15 minutes. This did a nice job offixing those rollers, and will do a nice job with your rollers, if you canget your hands on one. :) (Call HP about it, you MIGHT get lucky.)If you can't get your hands on a kit, you should be able to build the gizmowith a small piece of wood and a ScotchBrite (TM) scrub pads. (This is whatHP is using, a pretty aggressive grade of ScotchBrite.)You can make the rollers turn simply by switching the printer on (and off,and on, and off and on).I have performed this operation on half a dozen HPs, and never needed to"re rubberize" the rollers afterwards. (I DID have a lot of rubber dust toclean out, though.)Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 26515, GO COM A2)QUICK RAMFAST FIXES   It may be as silly as taking the RAM out and putting"""""""""""""""""""   them back. I usually swap them around in thepositions.Sometimes pushing tight on them fixes it, otherwise scavenge some RAM offsomething else.If you have a well stocked or been around in business for a while PC storein the area you can usually get 2 44256s out of them on a slow day. Or aGSRAM Ultra, RAMPak 4 GS, newer PC Transporter will have RAM that can beborrowed.If you have a RAMFast Rev C it's even simpler to find 41256 chips.Check http://www.apple2.org/ <--- The hardware reference link, RAM Cardsfor info on what cards use what RAM.I find that RAMFasts kill a lot of 44256 chips.Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 26484, GO COM A2)THE EVOLUTION OF APPLE II FRIENDLY ISPS?   Recently, my ISP started a new""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   "service" that intrigued me so Icalled them and asked for more information. It seems that they now areoffering "nationwide" dialup service.Having been friends with the owner of my ISP for a couple of years now Iwas interested in knowing how they could do that. Seems that a lot of theindependent ISPs are starting to do a number pooling - call in, give yourfull email address, and the local provider will connect you thru to yourhome ISP. And from what I gathered, no additional charge is involved.Since my ISP is going to continue to offer shell accounts, this might be away for someone outside the chicagoland area to sign up for a shellaccount. (and if you use a PPP/SLIP connection, that's supposed to worktoo.)The one drawback to consider is if the local ISP you're connecting thrudecided to pull out of the cooperative setup, you'd lose your access to theaccount. (BTW--I just called them--no extra charge for connection thru thelocal number setup.)If anyone's interested, check out the homepage for Foxvalley Internet atwww.foxvalley.net and choose the link about nationwide service (someCanadian towns are listed too.) Their phone # is 847-742-4623. Not allareas or states are covered, but there's a growing list. If you've lostshell access in your area, and one of these phone numbers is local to you,you could get an account with them for $14.95/mo or less (if you pre-payyour service. (and if anyone asks--no, I don't get anything for signups ifyou join--I just thought it's an interesting alternative for shellaccounts.) The website is accessible from here via Delphi's lynx option.Later...........Howard                         (HKATZ, 26525, GO COM A2)SOME LYNX ADVICE   All Lynx users should bookmark this site:""""""""""""""""http://www.crl.com/~subir/lynx.htmlAmong other things, this site points you to places where you can accessLynx via telnet. Delphi may not have the latest version of Lynx, but itdoes have telnet. For example, you can telnet to lynx.bob.bofh.org andyou'll be able to use Lynx 2.8.2 right from your Delphi account.Here's the URL to the list of Lynx public telnet sites:http://www.crl.com/~subir/lynx/public_lynx.htmlBe sure to note the logon instructions for the site you choose. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager - Wed Oct 13, 1999 8:35:18 am [Delivered with Spectrum v2.2 and Crock O' Gold v3.2] -- I'll get to it on the 2nd Tuesday of next week.                        (TONYW1, 26563, GO COM A2)DELPHI DROPPING DIAL IN ACCESS   This is the first I heard of it, but I'm""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   not terribly surprised. That access isprobably the most expensive (to Delphi and it's users) so, if the number ofusers was dropping, it made sense to drop it. With my IIgs, and Marinetti,I've been using TCP/IP to reach Delphi from my ISP for some time. Beforethat, I used my ISPs shell.For those who used the dialup due to not finding an ISP with a shell, andhaving older IIs that can't use Marinetti, this is a real hardship, unlessthey can afford to upgrade their hardware. IIgs computers aren't all thatexpensive anymore, unless you want an accelerator. Macs that can run Bernieat reasonable speed are getting more affordable, and those who went downthe Intel path can get Sweet 16, if they have hardware that can reasonablyrun BEOS.Unix shells are going to get harder to find, and direct text access isdoomed to cost considerations ending them. I know many would rather notmove on, but it has to happen sometime.  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Fri 15 Oct 99 10:33:14 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.1 Y][Kfest, July 26-30, 2000 - 285 days till Y][Kfest Using Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 26642, GO COM A2)>>>>>   We don't know the reason that Delphi is dropping dialups. I wonder"""""   if the Sprint/MCI merger may be the root cause here, are you in aposition to speculate?Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 26645, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Speculate? Sure. I can do that as well as anyone. I have no inside"""""   info, however, since I don't work for either of them. (Yet) (Andhopefully never will.)  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Sat 16 Oct 99 11:03:49 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.1 Y][Kfest, July 26-30, 2000 - 284 days till Y][Kfest Using Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 26685, GO COM A2)>>>>>   With at least one (and probably more) ISPs doing number pooling,"""""   there's bound to be a lot of our A2 dialup folk who can still stayonline if they wish. My previous message about the ISP I use is a good casein point. Factor in the cost of the per-hour usage of Delphi, vs themonthly cost of the ISP, and it should be fairly close. Foxvalley Internet,the one I mentioned will NOT be getting rid of its shell accounts. Sinceit's run on Linux as it's base operating system, the shells will be there.And the owner tells me that he prefers Linux to any of the other ISPsoftware packages, so I'm not worried about losing shell access. :)If one of the numbers they have listed is local to you (www.foxvalley.netfor the list, then getting an ISP to log onto Delphi is pretty painless. :)later...........Howard                         (HKATZ, 26664, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Such is why I've made the decision to go to the Mac and Bernie."""""   I've ordered my Mac.Yesterday it was in the midst of a controversy as to what will be shippedversus what was ordered. Today I know what I ordered will be shipped, butnot when :-(While Primenet has shell accounts, I don't think anyone can sign up for anew one since they have announced that dial-up shell will go away "sometimein the (near) future."Shell accounts will continue to shrink. In Primenet's case it seems, fromreading many internal posts, that the folks that maintain the shell side ofthe business don't really understand shell i.e., shell accounts are notevil, just maintained by folks that don't understand them (IBM PC heads).I also hear that "shell folks consume too many resources." In e-mail withDavid Kerwood, where I described how I log on to Delphi (via telnet), anduse ProTerm macros to read all the topics I'm interested in to a text fileon my HD and then log off and use AppleWorks to read and compose replies(such as this one) - David said that I'm the low cost spread.It seems that most shell folks dial-up to their and read the topic,newsgroup, etc., messages message-by-message which ties up resources for along time.Kind Regards, Joe Walters/BirdLives  Email - yardbird@primenet.com                       (BIRDLIVES, 26753, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Staying on-line for a long time reading messages via telnet is not"""""   a big strain on your ISP's resources. In fact, it's negligible.Think about what you're doing. Very little data is sent back and forth.Most of the time you're either reading what has already been sent, orcomposing a reply.The biggest hogs are chat bots and news readers. In fact, chat bots are soresource intensive (not to mention ripe for misuse) that many ISPs forbidthem. You can check the top resource hogs on your shell via the 'ps' and'top' commands. But be careful with 'top' since it can be a hog itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager - Tue Oct 19, 1999 7:34:59 pm [Delivered with Spectrum v2.2 and Crock O' Gold v3.2a] -- Every morning you are handed 24 golden hours.....                        (TONYW1, 26801, GO COM A2)>>>>>   But for those of us who live outside the US, it is a great strain"""""   on our wallet!I now have free phone calls at weekends, but to an ISP that requires CHAPto log on. Until Marinetti can support CHAP, it costs me 1.5 cents a minuteto stay online... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Wed 20 Oct 1999 - 280 days till Y2KFest Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.2 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 26808, GO COM A2)SETTING UP SCSI ID'S BLIND   Follow the wires to the ID selector, see if""""""""""""""""""""""""""   it's labeled in some numerical order, either1, 2, 4, or 0,1,2 ... if it's 0,1,2, well, there you go. If not it's A0 to1, A1, to 2, A2 to 4. the ground or common wire needs only to connect toone of the three pins.The trick is you need to examine the drive and see which side of the threeis ground and which is the signal. On Quantums you can see traces runningtoward the connector, you will see three traces individually going towardsthe pins on the board. Connect the common wire to a pin on the other side.    o o----- trace    o o----- trace    o o----- trace GND A0 ...Like that. Set the ID to three, if the computer says the ID is three yougot it right, if it's 4 the A0-A2 wires are 180 degree backwards, if it'ssomething else you got it really screwed up. :)Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 26661, GO COM A2)DELPHI MAIL COMMANDS   As you are using COG, all you need to do is read up""""""""""""""""""""   the !Help! section on 'Messages & File Search'. Thisexplains how to use the 'E-Mail Search' feature.That will do all that you want. As long as Delphi has not rolled off themessages and deleted them!As long as you have actually received the messages, then you should bearchiving your message files after you read them with COG. Then you can doa search on those archives later. Read the !Help! files for a fullerexplanation. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Mon 18 Oct 1999 - 282 days till Y2KFest Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.2 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 26726, GO COM A2)>>>>>   If you go to the MAIL page and type DIR you'll get a list of all"""""   your mail. Actually, you'll get a list of the currently open mailfolder which will either be NEWMAIL if you have any unread mail, or MAILwhich contains stuff you have already read (it's kept for a few weeks.) Thename of the open folder is displayed at the top of the screen if I recallcorrectly. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager - Mon Oct 18, 1999 2:16:27 am [Delivered with Spectrum v2.2 and Crock O' Gold v3.2a] -- Lackland's Laws: Never be first; Never be last; Never volunteer for anything                        (TONYW1, 26729, GO COM A2)>>>>>   When I first started using telnet in OLRight!, I had problems with"""""   'hunks' of data from Delphi mail just disappearing. With the twolistserves that Lady Technophobe subscribes to bring in upward of 100messages a day, I was retrieving a lot of data at once. It was not unusualto lose whole blocks of data from the mail stream. I would sit therewatching it, and there was no visible 'gap' on this end. I finally decidedthat there must be some kind of glitch in how Delphi's mail works viatelnet, because I had no such trouble with Sprintnet. There was one otherwho was helping me test OLRight! at the time, and he had the same problem.At the time, I was using the command that basically spools all the mail tothe terminal window. I eventually gave up on it because of this problem. Inow retrieve each letter individually.It sounds as though you are having a similar problem. When Delphi's mailsystem sends out the mail (either using the EXTRACT command or in singleletters), it marks the message as 'read' when it starts to send it. Thereis no way that I know of to tell Delphi (in its textside mail) that you didnot get the whole letter, or that the mail that you receive was missingsomething (as evidenced by unrelated mail being concatenated in the same'letter').I used a two-fold solution to this problem in my ANSITerm scripts. First, Iretrieve the mail one letter at a time, just pressing ENTER betweenletters. I also close and re-open the download buffer between letters,because that writes the buffer to disk, and that way I have all previousletters if there is a 'stall' or other problem (I have a really bad phoneline). Second, when new mail is read, it goes from a NEW folder to the MAILfolder. Before reading the mail, I copy everything that is in the MAILfolder into a folder called ARCHIVE (deleted and re-created at eachsession). This way, when I log on, I have the new mail available, plus theprevious session's mail, plus the mail from the session before that. Idelete everything else each session.Don V. Zahniser (IronTooth)Woofed to you by OLRight! scripts for ANSITerm via Bernie ][ the Rescue!                       (DZAHNISER, 26913, GO COM A2)SUPER MINI NULL MODEM HOW-TO   Software needed:""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Telecommunications software on both ends. Modem MGR, TIC, or ProTERM 3.1would be great choices on the //c. I'll leave the software for the othercomputer to someone who actually uses one regularly :)Hardware needed:Null modem cable.Modem MGR is a freeware (formerly commercial) program that can be had herein the Delphi A2 database or at better Apple II ftp sites (such astrenco.gno.org). TIC is currently not available except in source form.ProTERM is available from Intrec Software (http://www.intrec.com).Null modem cables. . . well, give me a few weeks :) Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Boycott Alamo! Please don't quote without permission. Delivered by Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                       (RSUENAGA, 26870, GO COM A2)>>>>>   In addition to the ones that Ryan mentioned, there is also Kermit"""""   for the Apple ][. A lot of folks seem to ignore it, because thereare lots better communications programs available, but it does work! If youhave ever used a command-line version of Kermit on any platform, you couldprobably get up and running in a few minutes. Kermit v3.86 or better (maybeearlier, but I never used them) supports Xmodem also.As for the PC side, I was doing the transfers to a Windows 3.1 machineusing the Terminal program supplied with Windows. I imagine HyperTerminalwould work just fine.You could look on almost any Apple ][ ftp site for kermit.Don V. Zahniser (IronTooth)Woofed to you by OLRight! scripts for ANSITerm via Bernie ][ the Rescue!                       (DZAHNISER, 26914, GO COM A2)MORE ON THE CSA2 FAQ   It is my *guess* that a FAQ becomes "official" when:""""""""""""""""""""1.  Initially someone (A) decides to write one.2.  Feedback to (A) causes the FAQ to get updated. Loop    between 1 and 2 for some period of time.3.  (A) becomes tired of updating the FAQ and somewhat abandons it.  This    continues for some number of months until (B) contacts (A), or if (A)    has left the group, takes over the FAQ.4.  (B) does great work in updating the FAQ over a period of time.  In    fact, after a period of time (B) thinks that he "owns" the FAQ even    though the original was the result of many folks' contributions.5.  (B) decided that because the majority do not support his views to the    level that he wishes, that he will "Take his marbles and throw them    into a volcano," and then forbid anyone from *touching* existing    pictures of his marbles.6.  Nobody challenges (B's) assertions so we all sit and watch the once    really good FAQ become less relevant with each passing day.My read of the birth and death of the csa2 FAQ.Kind Regards, Joe Walters/BirdLives  Email - yardbird@primenet.com                       (BIRDLIVES, 27099, GO COM A2)HOW TO MOVE YOUR APPLE II DISK IMAGES TO AN EMULATOR   Do what I did. Null""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   modem it directlyfrom the GS to the PC. It only took 20 hours for two 32mg partitions and a100mg HFS partition, which is almost my whole GS setup.I just started it when I went to bed and closed it down when I got homefrom work.It's amazing. My whole GS in a folder on the old 233.Dave....                      (UNCLE_DUCK, 26270, GO COM A2)DEFENDER OF THE CROWN RETURNS   Emulation site Emu Camp has reported that"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Game Boy Color programmer Charles Doty isporting the Cinemaware Commodore 64/Amiga/Apple IIGS strategy action titleDefender of the Crown to the Gameboy Color. This is currently a pet projectand no mention was made regarding possible publishers of the game.-Ken                       (KEN_GAGNE, 26267, GO COM A2)                                RUMOR MILL                                """"""""""WHAT HAPPENED TO APPLEWORKS GS?   AWGS has been discontinued for quite some"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   time, far longer than Appleworks 5 hasnot been available. . .- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                       (RSUENAGA, 26351, GO COM A2)SHEPPY ON SWEET16 STATUS   Sweet16 isn't a IIgs project, it's a BeOS""""""""""""""""""""""""   project, and will be getting a *lot* of mydevelopment time for the forseeable future.I'll be doing a lot more BeOS programming from now on.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 26237, GO COM A2)WHAT DOES WOZ THINK IS TRUE?   This Is True is a weekly email of true,""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   ridiculous news stories - good for manylaughs! I've been a subscriber for years, and as it turns out, someone elsewe all know very well is also enjoying his subscription. Read his letter tothe editor:http://www.thisistrue.com/woz.html-Ken                       (KEN_GAGNE, 26310, GO COM A2)CAN I STILL BUY 5.25 DSDD FLOPPIES?   It's not unusual to find them at"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Office Depot here. . . you can alwayspick up a Computer Shopper and check the mail order route. . .- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_ My words are not to be posted to usenet without my permission ever. Boycott Alamo! Boycott Alamo! Boycott Alamo! Boycott Alamo! Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                       (RSUENAGA, 26421, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Most of the Wal-Marts I've visited still have some DS/DD 5.25""""""   disks, made bye 3M/Imation. They're not cheap (around $3.00/box)compared to the 3.5" disks. Unfortunately, Wal-Mart won't special order,but if you ask the dept. manager to check, they might be on their orderlist, and if you promise to buy several boxes.....And for folk who for political reasons are boycotting WalMart, you mighttry K-Mart. :)Later.........Howard                         (HKATZ, 26432, GO COM A2)>>>>>   My 1997 MEI catalog lists DS/DD for $0.19. Minimum order 100 disks,"""""   shipping $1.20 per 100 disks. 800/634-3478.If these disks are for Apple then you do NOT want DS/HD disks which MEIalso sellsKind Regards, Joe Walters/BirdLives  Email - yardbird@primenet.com                       (BIRDLIVES, 26467, GO COM A2)>>>>>   As of a month or so ago, you could buy 5.25" DSDD floppies from"""""   Imation's online store at {<http://www.imation.com>www.imation.com.}Their online store is currently offline, though, being upgraded. But if Irecall correctly, the price was decent.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 26567, GO COM A2)APPLE II SALES CASE IN POINT: SILVERN CASTLE   Got a letter from Jeff Fink""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   last week, and it is myunderstanding that he had indeed registered about 10 copies of SilvernCastle since its release last summer. I don't think he's particularlydisappointed, although I had hoped he'd receive more payments than this. Hemay be amazed that he was actually able to make $150 off an Apple IIshareware product at this late date in our history.Good news .... In addition to sending me an updated version of SilvernCastle (v2.x), he also sent along several other games for upload. I'll getthose packed up properly and deposited in the database in coming days. Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 27005, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I think we've had to realize for some time now that there are not"""""   that many people who will pay for Apple II products. For instance,I'm not a gamer on -any- platform, so I haven't bought Silvern Castle. Thatdoesn't mean I haven't paid MyEsource money recently for updates. . . .Still, it is a shame to see such few sales for such a work. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Boycott Alamo! Please don't quote without permission. Delivered by Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                       (RSUENAGA, 27009, GO COM A2)                              PUBLIC POSTINGS                              """""""""""""""A FLURRY OF SHEPPYWARE STUFF   Beginning on October 28, WebWorks GS will""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   become shareware. You'll be able to downloadthe complete product from my web site and try it out. If you like it, pay$15.00 (US) for it (a price decrease of $5!). If not, delete it! It'swin-win for everybody!The documentation is in the process of being converted into lovely HTML forviewing in a web browser, and will be included with the software (and willalso be available on my web site for your viewing pleasure).---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 26860, GO COM A2)<<<<<   On October 28, I'll be releasing the complete Shifty List,"""""   uncrippled, for everyone to download. It will remain shareware, butyou'll no longer have to try it out with a crippled copy of the software.The price will remain unchanged at $20.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 26861, GO COM A2)<<<<<   My web site is being totally redesigned. There will be some      :"""""   sections temporarily unavailable during the redesign, but once it'sdone, it's gonna be pretty nice.The new design will go into effect tomorrow. It will already be set up forthe newly shareware WebWorks GS, even though that doesn't actually happenuntil the 28th, so don't freak out. :)---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 26888, GO COM A2)NEW BERNIE STARTER KIT   I just wanted to let folks know that an updated""""""""""""""""""""""   Bernie ][ The Rescue Starter Kit CD-ROM went intothe mail today; it includes v2.5.1 of Bernie.The instant that v2.5.1 was released, Shareware Solutions II stoppedmailing Bernie CDs with the older v2.0.2. It took a little while to re-dothe CD and the packaging, but if you've been waiting for your Bernie onCD-ROM, you won't be waiting much longer.woof, woofJoe Kohnhttp://www.crl.com/~joko                       (JOE_KOHN, 26404, GO COM A2)A QUICKEN Y2K REPLACEMENT   The "Ohmigosh, It's Almost 2000" Sale..."""""""""""""""""""""""""Speaking of clocks ticking, and time running out...In a little more than 2 months, the Apple II version of Quicken will becomeobsolete, as not too many banks will be willing to cash checks that werewritten in the year 1900.CheckWorks is a Y2K-problem-free alternative solution.CheckWorks works from within AppleWorks, versions 3 thru 5. In order to useCheckworks with AW3, you will need Ultra 4.1. To run CheckWorks with AW 4and 5, nothing extra is required except, of course, AppleWorks Classic.Having concerns about Y2K, I sent an evaluation copy of CheckWorks to MsY2K (Bev Cadieux), and she confirmed that all will be well with CheckWorkscome next January.CheckWorks costs $20; I'll dispense with the usual $3 s/h charge.If you want to use your Apple II for checkbook reconciliation in the year2000, CheckWorks will let you.AppleWorks Classic is required!To order CheckWorks, send $20 to...Joe KohnShareware Solutions II166 Alpine StSan Rafael, CA 94901http://www.crl.com/~joko                       (JOE_KOHN, 26792, GO COM A2)BERNIE AUTHOR BARKS FOR HELP   Hello everyone,""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I'm currently involved in a project dealing with legacy software, industrystandards and obsolescence in the computing industry.The basic idea is that technology advances at mind-blowing speed whichrenders your past investments useless. Changing standards and marketingstrategies lead to forced obsolescence. The concept of a compatibilitymarket will be developed that is currently heavily underrated. In a secondpart emphasis will be put on benefits of software emulation, technicalimplementation (notably JITs), and so on.If...- you are using Apple II computers or other out-of-production platforms in  your business- would be willing to share some figures with me and/or your thoughts on  this subject- you are using a well thought out software such as proprietary  applications or heavily customized standard software (such as AppleWorks  Classic), and that system does a non-trivial task- would like to prove a few people wrong that phased-out equipment is  obsoletethen I would greatly appreciate if you could back to me. I assure you 100%confidentiality and any data you provide will be published in aggregatedform only. The project is a joint effort of the faculties of technicalinformatics and economics at the University of Basel.Please e-mail me at {<mailto:emutech@magnet.ch> emutech@magnet.ch} .Thanks!Henrik Woof Gudatwoof woof                        (GUDATH, 26543, GO COM A2)JUICED.GS--BETTER LATE THAN NEVER   Hey gang,"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I know I've been scarce around here lately, but I wanted to drop by to letyou all know that the new issue of Juiced..GS (V4,I3) is in the mail. U.S.subscribers should be receiving their copies within days, if not sooner.:-)Thank you all for your patience. We ran about three weeks late on thisissue, but I plan to be back on schedule next time around.I'll post an index of this issue in a few days. Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 26603, GO COM A2)JUICED VOLUME 4, ISSUE 3 HITS THE MAILBOX   Announcing ..."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""===== Juiced.GS, Volume 4, Issue 3 =====The October 1999 edition of Juiced.GS, the Apple II world's premierIIGS-specific magazine, was delivered to 229 subscribers in 44 states andnumerous points around the globe.Here's what you'll find in this issue:============FEATURESCover Story: Kfest '99 -- Another summer of celebration ... The annualApple II conference in Kansas City shined bright lights on some of the "oldreliable" software users have grown to know and love. Juiced.GS was thereto record all the festivities, and presents the most complete report you'llfind anywhere of what went on during official sessions as well as behindthe scenes. We even have photos!!Programming: Introduction to GSoft BASIC ... Part 4 in our in-depthtutorial from Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd on the latest, greatest BASICimplementation for the GS. The author again offers advice and direction toboth beginners and advanced programmers who want to learn more about whatGSoft BASIC has to offer and how it performs its coding magic.Emulation: Bernie, meet Ernie ... Ryan Suenaga, the Apple II world's topdog when it comes to Mac emulation and Bernie ][ The Rescue, introducesusers to Sweet16 (known lovingly as Ernie), the IIGS emulator for BeOSrunning on Macs or Intel PCs.COLUMNSTelecommunications: Back on the GS side of things ... Tony Ward turns histelecom attentions to the greatest tools available to users who want tomake their online lives easier and more productive.My Home Page: Digging out from a busy summer ... A few thoughts from theeditor about the hectic pace and unpredictable events that delayedproduction of this issue.II Be Named Later: Our columnist, Ryan Suenaga, gets nostalgic aboutanother Kfest gone by, and looks ahead to yet another one in 2000.DEPARTMENTSShareware Spotlight: Ken Gagne reviews Silvern Castle, the new 8-bitrole-playing game, and Howard Katz brings readers up to date on softwarestatus reclassification efforts.DumplinGS: Lots of news from around the Apple II world, including excitingnews about IIGS/Marinetti compatibility with Earthlink, a nationwide ISP,and specials galore from Shareware Solutions II.============Juiced.GS is a quarterly, printed publication available by subscriptiononly.A subscription for 1999 is $14 in the U.S., Canada or Mexico, $20elsewhere.To subscribe, send a check or money order in U.S. funds to: Max Jones Juiced.GS 2217 Lakeview Drive Sullivan, IN 47882Make checks or money orders payable to Max Jones. Sorry, no credit cards orpurchase orders can be accepted.Complete sets of 1996, 1997 and 1998 issues are available for $14 each ($20overseas). If you would like to purchase only a specific single copy (orcopies) of back issues, they are available for $4 each ($6 overseas). Anindex and brief description of articles published in '96/'97'98 areavailable on the Juiced.GS web site. See URL below.Apple II Forever! Max Jones Juiced.GS Delphi: JuicedGS -- Internet: juicedgs@delphi.com World Wide Web: http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 26912, GO COM A2)SILVERN CASTLE REACHES VERSION 2.1   GreetinGS!""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I have just uploaded the v2.1 update of Silvern Castle to the Entertainmenttopic of the Apple II Forum Database. It will be available for downloadafter our library wizards do their thing.Version 2.1 requires a fully installed version of Silvern Castle v1.0. Theupdate archive does not produce a functional game by itself. Theinstallation procedure is explained by author Jeff Fink in theREAD.ME.FIRST file in the SCupdate21.BXY archive. Enjoy!I will also be uploading some new titles from Jeff Fink in coming days.Ain't new software fun!! Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 27072, GO COM A2)NEW STOP ON THE WEB FOR THE TREASURE CHEST PROJECT   WE HAVE MOVED !!!!!!!""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   |87) {<http://www.treasurechestproject.org>http://www.treasurechestproject.org}Finally, after the long hassles of trying to locate a good website.Treasure Chest Project now is sitting in a server that is accessible almostall of the time by me |87)Took a while to get InterNIC stuff all organised, moving the registereddomain names and stuff, as well as applying to InterNIC for my DNS serverto be 'seen'.FTP access will be soon up |87)It certainly helps when you are the SysAdmin of the box !                       (WILLIEYEO, 26391, GO COM A2)                             BEST OF THE BEST                             """"""""""""""""26727 18-OCT 03:15 Welcome to A2/Announements     Delphi is dropping local dial-up! (Re: Msg 26642)     From: RSUENAGA     To: ALLHere is the issue with dial up access as I see it:Those of you who are using Web only or Telnet accounts are unaffected.The people who we are concerned about and who we have some fear of losingcontact with are those who are using Sprintnet or Tymenet to connect.If you're one of those people, we can see what we can do to help you get adifferent kind of account and find an access route that you can use so youcan stay in contact with us. There's already a lot of published informationout there on getting to Delphi via other means and there are ways for us tofind some kind of access local to you, but if we don't know who you are andhow many of you there are, there's nothing we can do for you.We don't want that, at least I certainly don't.The Apple II community is already small enough. Let's keep it from gettingany smaller.- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_ My words are not to be posted to usenet without my permission ever. Boycott Alamo! Boycott Alamo! Boycott Alamo! Boycott Alamo! Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution[EOA][WEB]------------------------------                  WEB SLINGING 101 |-----------------------------------Delphi Forums And The Apple II~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Written by Howard Katz,       Lyle Syverson, and     Ryan M. Suenaga    [hkatz@delphi.com],[lyle837@delphi.com],[thelamp@sheppyware.net]                    Tymenet and Sprintnet Alternatives                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     It's official--the Delphi Online Service will stop supporting dialupaccess very soon.     This news was not welcomed by the Apple II community.  Although moreand more of the focus of telecommunications is being moved from traditionalonline services and electronic bulletin board systems (aka BBSs) to theInternet, many of the Apple II faithful continue to use and champion thetraditional dialup online service.     Unfortunately, that traditional online service is dying a relativelyquick death as the Internet assimilates old style telecommunications in afashion that even the Borg would envy.  The old per hour charge model ofthe traditional online service has given way to the flat rate model used bymodern Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and the standard ASCII access hasbeen largely replaced by a TCP/IP connect.  Just where does that leavethose of us who still champion the Apple II?     It leaves us with some very viable options.     Let's take a look at some ways you can continue accessing Delphi--andthe rest of the Internet--with your Apple II.  We'll take a look at optionsfor both 8 bit and 16 bit Apple IIs, including some at very low cost, andsome that many people may not have thought of.EIGHT BIT OPTIONS   In order to access Delphi without Sprintnet or Tymenet"""""""""""""""""   services with an 8 bit Apple II, you will most likelyneed some kind of text based dialup service.  Since there is no way to makea TCP/IP connection to the Internet using the 8 bit Apple II computers youwill need to find some type of service--either an ISP or one of the optionsbelow--that has dialup access and provides telnet software on that system.     You will also need communications program on your Apple II thatprovides VT100 emulation or higher.  _ProTERM_ can be purchased fromhttp://www.intrec.com/.  _Modem MGR_ and _Kermit_ can be downloaded fromthe A2 Database on Delphi.  _Talk is Cheap V4_ might be available on theused market. (Versions of _TIC_ earlier than V4 do not provide VT100emulation.)Low Cost Alternatives   include freenets, BBS's, libraries, colleges,"""""""""""""""""""""   universities, and employers.     To find these alternatives check the yellow pages, the local library,any local computer user groups, and local colleges/universities.  Askfriends and coworkers what they use for an ISP.  Ask your employer if theyprovide any ISP privileges.Freenets and Community Networks   The term freenet implies an ISP that can'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   be used free of charge.  Often theseorganizations offer certain services free but charge a modest fee for otherservices such as telnet.  Not all freenets offer telnet.     In addition to the suggestions above search the World Wide Web forfreenets.  Some freenets can be located at this URL...http://www.lights.com/freenet/.  Search for "freenet" using HotBot.(http://www.hotbot.com)BBS's   Some of the local BBS's offer telnet.  Costs to connect to BBS's'''''   vary widely.Libraries   vary widely as to any internet services they offer.  If you are'''''''''   lucky you might find one that allows you to dial in andprovides telnet service on its system.Colleges and Universities   sometimes provide dial in internet service.'''''''''''''''''''''''''   Sometimes you will be able to use their systembut will have to do so on campus.  You might have to be a student or on thestaff in order to use the system.Employers   sometimes will allow you to dial into their system from home.'''''''''   If  telnet software is included on that system you can probablyuse it with your Apple II.The Conventional ISP   Finding an Internet Service Provider is easy these""""""""""""""""""""   days, especially if you live in a metropolitan area.The phone book yellow pages usually has a comprehensive listing of them.Even in more rural areas, there should be some that are listed.  However,not all ISPs are created equal, and many of them will not be able tointerface with an Apple II computer.     For those with a GS, the _Marinetti_ option, described later in thisarticle, is available.  For 8 bit Apple II users, or those GS owners usingan 8 bit communications program such as _ProTERM_ or _Modem MGR_, you needto find an ISP that offers a shell account.  This section will deal withISPs where Marinetti is not being used.     ISPs tend to fall into 3 broad categories, based upon the operatingsystems they use.Windows and Windows NT Servers   Many ISPs are based on these Microsoft''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   products.  While the price per month foruse of these systems tends to be low, they're normally inaccessible to 8bit Apple II users, since they need access protocols (TCP/IP,PPP or SLIP)not available to the communications programs.Unix-based Servers   These come in a variety of "flavors" since there's''''''''''''''''''   several variations of Unix available.  If an ISP isrunning one of these, connecting usually isn't a problem, since the shellaccount you need to connect is built in.  (Caveat: some ISPs may have theshell system disabled, and you would need to get then to turn it on foryou.  It's also possible that you might have to dial a separate number toaccess the shell.Mixed Systems   Some ISPs will use different operating systems for'''''''''''''   different functions.  For example, you might find your ISPuses NT for internet access, but Unix for mail usage.     Mixed systems may or may not offer shell accounts.  They may offerthem at an additional charge, or if the Unix machine is dedicated to aspecific function, they may decline to allow you access to it for securityreasons.     If an ISP offers what they call a "Telnet-only shell", it's best toavoid them.  These are designed for Windows or Macs that would connect viaone of the above named protocols and then run a program to "telnet" back tothe shell system.  Since 8 bit Apple II programs don't incorporate thistelnet package, this option doesn't help out.     What's needed is a true dialup shell.  In most cases, you get theshell when you dial the ISP's telephone number, and connect to theirsystem.  You're greeted with the operating system information (usually) anda prompt for your username and then your password (always).  This issimilar to Delphi's asking dialup users to log on to the system.  Fromthere, you issue commands to use the system to navigate around the ISP--sayto get your mail, or to access the internet via lynx.  Delphi users wouldalso issue commands to telnet to Delphi's computers.  Shell accountsusually can be accessed in other ways too.  You may be able to telnet backto your shell account from another computer (say, at a cybercafe if you'reon the road) and work with it as if you had dialed directly in.     You may find a variant in the shell system.  Instead of a prompt whereyou issue the commands, some shell accounts are set up with a pre-definedmenu, limiting your command options.  This may be done for securityreasons, or an attempt to help users with the more commonly used functionsof the server.  Obviously, a command line prompt gives you greaterflexibility, but if your ISP only offers a menu-driven shell, and it hasthe commands you most likely would use, then it would be a workablealternative.  Many school or university based systems have decided to usemenus for the reasons noted above.     Finding out if the ISP you want to use has a shell account isn'talways easy, especially if they're not using a Unix-based system.  Ifcustomer service doesn't seem to know what a shell account is, ask forsomeone in the technical department.  Always make sure that the shell, ifit exists, can be accessed via direct dialup, and not via telnet only.     When choosing an ISP, look at your needs.  If you're going to travel alot, you might be interested in one of the "national" ISPs that offerdialup numbers throughout The U.S. and Canada.  If you tend to stick closeto home, numerous regional or local ISPs might work for you.  Many of thesesmaller ISPs can be accessed away from home too, either by the telnetmethod mentioned above, or via shared or pooled dial-in numbers:  manysmaller ISPs are allowing users from other ISPs to use their numbers toconnect you back to your "home" ISP. This gives you greater flexibility inyour connection methods, as well as greater accessibility for the ISP.     Charges for usage will also vary from ISP to ISP.  Some may offer aflat per-month usage rate.  This rate may vary depending on the accessspeed used, or may also be discounted if you pre-pay for service.  Youmight find some that are timed: x number of hours a month "free" for yourmonthly subscription, and then additional charges for any time used inexcess of the "free" hours.  There's also mail-only accounts for people whowant to just get email. These are cheaper still, but obviously won't getyou onto the Internet for other things.     If your look in the yellow pages has been fruitless, let your browserdo the walking at http://www.thelist.com/, a website dedicated to helpingfolks find ISPs in their area.  If you absolutely cannot find a shellaccount in your area, please check out Howard Katz's Delphi A2 Forummessage 26525, included in this issue.     Shell accounts are not as easy to find as they once were, since themajority of internet users are connecting via graphics-based browsers. Butshell systems do still exist, and once you find one and get comfortablewith using it, you'll probably find yourself online longer and more oftenthan you thought possible.Esoteric Connections   Many Apple II users today also have computers that""""""""""""""""""""   run other operating systems, such as Mac OS,Windows, or Unix variants such as Linux.  It is also now feasible to havehigh speed Internet access available 24 hours a day, seven days a week forsuch computers.  Cable modems and Digital Subscriber Lines (DSL) have madethese things possible.     If you happen to use a Unix or Unix-like system (such as Linux orNetBSD) in addition to your Apple II, you may be in luck.  Provided thatyou are able to set up (1) a TCP/IP connection between your Unix box an theInternet and (2) a null modem connection between your II and your Unix boxthat allows you to use your Apple II as a smart terminal, you can use thisto connect to the Internet.  This is exactly the same as having a Unixshell account you dial into, except your connection is via a null modemcable rather than a phone line.     Linux is gaining tremendous popularity as a low cost powerhouse of anoperating system that runs on multiple hardware platforms.  From a brandnew Athlon or Power Mac G4 to an old 386, you can get Linux running forclose to nothing.  Simply connect your Apple II and your Linux box with anull modem cable and you're on your way to easy Internet access.     If you happen to have a Linux (or some other Unix variant) runningcomputer connected to the Internet--preferably with a permanent connection,but dial up would be fine too--you too could create your own shell accountthat your Apple II can access using a null modem connection.  This is notfor the faint of heart, but the details can be found in Devin Reade'sexcellent linux.gs.login file in the Delphi A2Pro Database.  This is asetup one of the authors has available at home, and it makes accessing the'Net with an Apple II as fast as currently possible.SIXTEEN BIT OPTIONS   If you're using an Apple IIgs, you can use all of the"""""""""""""""""""   options available to the 8 bit Apple II crowd as wellas true TCP/IP connectivity using the Marinetti package developed byAustralian programmer Richard Bennett. Marinetti will allow you to connectdirectly to the Internet to any host providing dial-in or null modem accessusing the Point-to-Point Protocol PPP) or the Serial Line InterfaceProtocol (SLIP)--it does not, however, support the CHAP sign on used bysome Internet Service Providers offering PPP accounts.     SLIP accounts are becoming as difficult to find as shell accounts.PPP accounts are more common; however, some users report problems gettingMarinetti to work with certain ISPs.  With the assistance of the Delphi A2Forum members, we have compiled the list below of known Marinetticompatible ISPs:ISP Name            ISP Webpage          A.C.    Link Layer Verified by------------------- -------------------- ------- ---------- ---------------Compuserve          www.compuserve.com   (UK)    PPP (S)    Ewen WannopPacific Bell        www.pacbell.net      209     PPP        Eric ShepherdNetcarrier          www.netcarrier.com   215/610 PPP        Barry ReesMindspring          www.mindspring.com   336     PPP        Jim LlewellynInternet Nebraska   www.inebraska.com    402     PPP        Dain NeaterNovia               www.novia.net        402     PPP        Carl KnoblockNavix Internet      www.navix.net        402     PPP        Dain NeaterCompuserve          www.compuserve.com   415     PPP (S)    Joe KohnSlip Net            www.slip.net         510     PPP        Janet LoftisVideotron           www.videotron.ca     514     PPP        Mark PercivalSirius Systems      www.sirinet.net      580     PPP        Thomas CompterMHTC Net            www.mhtc.net         608     PPP        Aaron PulverConcentric          www.concentric.net   661     PPP        Jeff CarrBarrie Connex       www.bconnex.net      705     PPP        Jeff BlakeneyXcalibur            www.iinc.com         716     SLIP       Don ZahniserACI Net             www.aci.net          775     PPP        Bill DooleyConcentric          www.concentric.net   808     PPP        Ryan SuenagaPacific Onramp      www.poi.net          808     PPP        Ryan SuenagaTriton Technologies www.triton.net       810     PPP        Daniel KruszynaEarthlink           www.earthlink.net    810     PPP        Eric HeimSolve Net           www.solve.net        816/913 PPP        Allen MooreNationwide          www.nationwide.net   817     PPP        David PierceEnteract            www.enteract.com     847     PPP        Tony WardIAG Net             www.iag.net          904     PPP        Chuck StitesFayetteville Net    www.faynet.com       910     PPP        R. SchnorenbergA.C. = Area Code, PPP (S) = Scripted PPP     Please note that while it appears safe to assume that a national orinternational ISP that works with Marinetti in one area would also workwith it in another area, we can make no guarantees about that.  Forinstance, I can say with certainty that the last time I used aconcentric.net account with Marinetti in the 808 area code, it workedgreat.  I can't make the same statement for every concentric.net node outthere.     If you have a shell account (but no SLIP or PPP), you can also tryusing the SLIRP PPP/SLIP emulator to get Marinetti working.  SLIRP is aUNIX shell program that emulates a PPP or SLIP connection.  Seehttp://www.webcom.com/~llarrow/tiarefg.html for more details on SLIRP.     Finally, when the MacIP Link Layer module for Marinetti is releasedyou can use a Macintosh connected to the IIgs as a TCP/IP server withproper software.     In conclusion, even when Delphi drops its Sprintnet and Tymenet accessoptions, Apple II users will have many, many options to connect to Delphi.Apple II Forever![EOF][POP]------------------------------              PERSPECTIVE POSITIVE |-----------------------------------TEE'S POINT OF VIEW"""""""""""""""""""Written by Tee Cashmore   [teec@execulink.com]                              Where Are You?                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     We, the Apple II supporters, are everywhere!  Of course you knew thatdidn't you?     I started using an Apple ][+ in December 1983 and have run the gambitof IIe, IIc, Laser 128 EX, IIgs, Mac Plus, Mac SE/30, IIsi, IIci, to mypresent Quadra 700 with Power PC card.  On the way I became a dealer forApplied Engineering & Abracadata software and still service some schools,hospitals and small businesses, having accumulated a lot of hardware andsoftware for Apple IIs and older Macs on the way.     I was curious to know exactly where current Apple II users lived andhow they connect to the Web.  I know that many users didn't respond to myposting and some I cheated on by noting there whereabouts from Delphimessage postings, but in a short time I did get 49 responses, some verydetailed, some with very little information.     Out of the 49, the fact that 30 are from the USA is not surprising;actually I expected more; then 5 from Australia, 5 from Canada, 3 fromGermany, 1 from Austria and 1 from UK (no prizes for guessing who that is)and 5 didn't say for some strange reason.     Connections run from using Apple IIc, IIe, IIgs, Macs of varyingvintage and a few "Windoze", although most of those were at work and use aIIgs at home.  I found the software used very interesting, as it ran thewhole gambit from PPP through _Crock O' Gold_.     I have to admit to a lack of knowledge of most connective software forthe Apple II world and I pity any user who wants to know what to use,especially the novice user, as I find little information as to what doeswhat best, how to obtain it and how to use it.  As much of this informationis only available on Delphi and related sites, how does anyone find outabout what is available?  Might I suggest that one way would be to producea two sided printout sheet of basic software detail, contact all the AppleII User Groups using the old fashioned snail mail system, asking them todistribute same sheet to their membership lists.     Almost all the respondents to my survey had accounts of the Telnetvariety, but many had regular ISP accounts.  I also have to mention thatmany users are actually running _Bernie ][ The Rescue_ on their Macs,thereby emulating a IIgs.  This ingenious system is also a very unsung heroand I'd be willing to bet that very few Mac users are aware of thispossibility of getting the best of both worlds.  Perhaps contacting Macgroups as detailed above may be one way to let the word be known.     My conclusion is that there is still an untapped market for connectionsoftware, even more so now that Delphi is changing access possibilities,but the major problem is advertising, specifically how to reach the AppleII community.     Thanks to all the respondents to my Delphi survey.         :: DISCUSSED ON DELPHI ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         :                                                       :         :           Acid test?  You're soaking in it.           :         :                                                       :         ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LUMITECH ::::::[EOA][INN]------------------------------                     EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp!   The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month in"""""""""""""""   the Database of the II Scribe Forum on the Delphi onlineservice (GO CUS 11).This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computersusing Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes.  Apple II Forever!     * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 1999 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W.  All       rights reserved.     * To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to       thelamp@sheppyware.net     * Back issues of The Lamp! are available in the II Scribe Forum on       Delphi as well as The Lamp! Home Page,       http://lamp.sheppyware.net.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed herein are those of  the individual authors, and do  notnecessarily  represent  the  opinions   of  the  Delphi  Online   Services,Syndicomm, Inc.,  or  Ryan M.  Suenaga.     Forum  messages  are  reprintedverbatim and  are included  in this  publication with  permission from  theindividual authors.   Delphi Online Services,  Syndicomm, Inc. and  Ryan M.Suenaga  do not guarantee  the accuracy or  suitability of any  informationincluded herein.  We reserve the right to edit all letters and copy.Material published  in  this  edition  may not  be  reprinted  without  theexpressed  written consent  of the  publisher.   Registered  computer  usergroups, not  for profit  publications ,  and other  interested parties  maywrite the publisher to apply for permission to reprint any or all material.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[EOF]
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