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An Onipa'a Software Production        Vol. 2, No. 6 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher & Editor.......................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Internet Email....................................thelamp@sheppyware.net ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                             TABLE OF CONTENTS                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                               June 15, 1999OPENING PITCH     Summer Of '99 -------------------------------------------------- [OPN]A FUNNY THING HAPPENED                                                [FOR]     The Heat Is On ------------------------------------------------- [HET]     Miscellanea                                                      [MSC]     Rumor Mill ----------------------------------------------------- [RMR]     Public Postings                                                  [PUB]     Best Of The Best ----------------------------------------------- [BOB]A2Pro_DUCTIVITY     Checking out A2PRO on Delphi ----------------------------------- [A2P]THE WAY WE WERE     The Best of Both Worlds ---------------------------------------- [WWW]THINKING KFEST     The Accidental Tourist's Guide to KFest ------------------------ [KFE]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].         :: DISCUSSED ON DELPHI ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         :                                                       :         :      Why read the docs. . . I'm already confused      :         :                                                       :         :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TONYW1 :::::::::::::[EOA][OPN]------------------------------                     OPENING PITCH |-----------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]                               SUMMER OF '99                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~     Yes, it's another hot summer here in the islands I call home, butit'll be a memorable summer for the same reason it's always been.     Once again, we're closing in on the time to pack up the computer welove (in real or virtual form) and head on over to the Mecca of the AppleII--Avila College in Kansas City, Missouri, USA.  KansasFest 1999 is fastapproaching.  And this summer, like every other since 1995, I'll be there.     It didn't look like I'd make it to celebrate the Apple II's EndlessSummer of Love this year.  There was a plan for me to be over in SouthernCalifornia this year a few weeks after KFest and there was really no wayfor me to be at both.  I didn't have the vacation time and no way could Iafford it either.     Fortunately (and unfortunately, as well), things worked out (ordidn't).  I won't be in Southern Cal this year, but I will be in KansasCity.  I don't know many people who would prefer going to Kansas City inthe heat of July to Los Angeles.  But one thing's for sure.     It would have to be an Apple II kind of guy.     Here we come, Kansas City.                                [*] [*] [*]     Would You Care To Buy This Flower Department: One of the things Iwould like that I haven't had since we moved the show on over to Delphi hasbeen a steady stream of contributions from other writers.  I've talkedabout this before in this column.     That must've done some good.  This month we have contributions fromtwo writers.  The first is from Tee Cashmore, who joins us from Canada,where he shares with us a piece that was originally printed in a user grouppublication a few years ago--while some of the information is dated (forinstance, Applied Engineering was still in business then), it's stillvaluable for many of you out there.  In fact, these older articles are sovaluable that I'm starting a new semi-regular column, called "The Way WeWere", just to give them a special place.     The second is a writer well known around these parts.  Doug Cuff,formerly the editor of _GenieLamp A2_ as well as _A2-Central_ and _IIAlive_, joins us once again for his yearly update to his article taking youthrough preparations for the Apple II event of the year, KansasFest.     Speaking of, have you registered yet?     Not to take any focus off of what Tee and Doug have done this month.Thank you both.  For everything.                                [*] [*] [*]     Waited For Someone Faithful And True Department: Here's your monthlyBlatant Plug.  KansasFest 1999 will be held next month, July 1999, onceagain at Avila College in Kansas City, Missouri.  Have fun, learn stuff,don't sleep.  As usual, check out http://www.kfest.org for the latestinformation.     It's one heckuva way to remember the summer of 1999.Ryanthelamp@sheppyware.netASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA][OPN]------------------------------     A FUNNY THING HAPPENED. . . . |-----------------------------------Checking out A2 on Delphi"""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]       * The Heat Is On              * Miscellanea                     * Rumor Mill                            * Public Postings                                        * Best Of The Best                              THE HEAT IS ON                              """"""""""""""     [*] Welcome to A2               ....... Thanks, But No, Notification     [*] Telecommunications          ....... A PMP Revival?     [*] Utility Software            ....... Does Anyone Own Public Domain?     [*] Hardware Hacker             ....... Alternative IIgs Monitors     [*] User Groups & Publications  ....... So, Where Are You All?     [*] Hardware Hacker             ....... Another Ethernet Card Rumor                                MISCELLANEA                                """""""""""MORE DELPHI TEXT VS. WEB   In fact, this latest round of problems comes""""""""""""""""""""""""   because Delphi wants to keep the text sidecompatible with the Web side.This is just the sort of thing that starts rumours.Delphi has said, MANY MANY TIMES, that they will keep the text side up andrunning as long as they can possibly do so. There are a lot of good reasons(public relations and other wise) to keep text available when everyone elseis dumping it.I would not be at all surprised to see textside Delphi available as long asDELPHI is available.Note that there is no guarantee that Delphi itself will be here in twoyears, or that AOL will be, for that matter. The online services market isEXTREMELY volatile.Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 23068, GO COM A2)SOME EGO SYSTEMS PRODUCTS SURFACE AT SSII   Interestingly enough, Steve"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Disbrow is going to be sendingme a package containing his unsold inventory of IIGS software whosecopyrights have remained with Diz.So, at some point in the next few weeks, the following will all becomeavailable from Shareware Solutions II...- Balloon- Cool Cursors Volume 1- IPC Spy Modules Volume 1- The AppleWorks GS WP translator for Graphic Writer III- The RTF Translator for GraphicWriter IIIAt this point, I have no idea how many packages of each title he'll besending me, but I think it's somewhat limited. There are, for example, only20 packages of Balloon (an NDA that packs/unpacks ShrinkIt archives). Moremanuals could be printed up, if need be...So, since I have no idea how many copies of each I'll have, nor how muchpostage will be, let's be real informal for the moment...If anyone is interested in any of the above software, make me an offer bye-mail. Joe Kohn joko@concentric.net                       (JOE_KOHN, 23036, GO COM A2)>>>>>   If you use Graphic Writer III, I heartily recommend getting these"""""   two translators! The RTF translator is essential for cross-platformwork, and the AWGS WP translator does a better job moving AWGS WordProcessing formatting into GWIII than AppleWorks GS does moving WP filesinto its own Page Layout module, IMO.The only problem with either of these, is that you are still restricted byGWIII's 32K size per text frame - but that is not the fault of thetranslators!Don V. Zahniser (IronTooth)Woofed to you by OLRight! scripts for ANSITerm via Bernie ][ the Rescue!                       (DZAHNISER, 23047, GO COM A2)ADD A NIFTY FEATURE TO YOUR IIGS PROGRAM   If there are any IIGS""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   programmers out there who wantto add spell checking capabilities to their software, I now have availablethe IPC call list for NiftySpell.As you probably know, NiftySpell is a Universal GS/OS based spell checkerNDA, but what you might not know is that 3rd party programmers have theability to interface their software with NiftySpell.So far, only two Spectrum-based applications have incorporated a spellcheck button that performs a NiftySpell spell check: Crock O' Gold v3 andSpectrum Internet Suite v1.1.We'd like to see other GS/OS programs have a spell check button.As it is, NiftySpell itself will perform all spell checking duties. So, allyou really need to know in order to support spell checking directly in yoursoftware is, hopefully, included in the IPC call list info for NiftySpell.Of course, that info will make no sense at all to a non-programmer.So, if you're working on any GS/OS software, drop me an e-mail and I'llsend you the IPC call list.Joe Kohn(After typing this message in COG3, I hit the Queue button and a spellcheck was automagically performed. Wouldn't you like your software to havethat same capability? You can!)                       (JOE_KOHN, 23066, GO COM A2)SO JUST WHAT HAPPENED TO SEVEN HILLS?   Earl Childers (email@myesource.com)"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   is the owner of Seven HillsSoftware and he is now well aware of the problems that can happen when acompany (too) quickly changes ISPs and gets new URLs.The new URL for Seven Hills is http://www.myesource.comI've been in touch with Earl regarding the new web site and SpectrumInternet Suite v1.1, and he had this to say:"The transition to our new site was supposed to be a lot smoother. My plansto have people automatically redirected from our old url to the new onecollapsed miserably. We appreciate you, Ewen, Geoff, and everyone who isspreading the word for us. At this point, Dave and I are just trying to putsome finishing touches on the sevenhills part of the site and hoping tooffer SIS 1.1 for sale online."I've also invited Earl to attend this coming Monday night chat.As it is, Geoff Weiss and Ewen Wannop completed Spectrum Internet Suite 1.1and submitted it to Seven Hills for distribution. Geoff and Ewen had aProduct Intro Chat the other week, but SIS v1.1 is now out of their hands,and in the hands of Seven Hills.Earl can tell us the non-technical details about SIS 1.1, such as when itwill start going into the mail and/or how they'll offer it for sale online.That is, if he can successfully figure out how to get a web-side Delphiaccount by Monday night at 10PM EDT ;-)Joe (Friend of Seven Hills) Kohn                       (JOE_KOHN, 23101, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Ahhh...I get it now; Seven Hills Software has changed the name of"""""   their company. "My eSource" is the new name for the company.Contact info:e-mail address: email@myesource.comMy eSource1254 Ocala Rd.Tallahassee, FL 32304850-575-0566 for phone850-575-9445 for fax (can only receive, not send, faxes)Web Site URL: http://www.myesource.com/sevenhills/applesoftware/                       (JOE_KOHN, 23170, GO COM A2)WHICH APPLIED ENGINEERING 3.5 DRIVE IS WHICH?   You may have the "AE 3.5"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Drive for MacintoshComputers". I have one of these drives. If you still have the sticker onthe bottom it will have the above quoted name on it. This drive is a'clone' of the Apple FDHD external drive. It will not work as a 1.6MB driveand will only work as a 1.44MB drive if used on a Mac or on a IIgs/IIe witha SuperDrive Controller card.If in fact you have this drive and are hooking it up to the built-in IIgsdrive connector then you indeed would only get 800K (and 400K!?, I can'trecall seeing this option!) formatting options within the Finder.So, if your AE drive has lost its label, you could try hooking it up to aMac which has an external floppy connector and see if you can read/write1.44MB disks. This would help confirm that it is the 1.44MB drive and notthe 1.6MB drive.Paul.Paul Schultzschultp@delphi.comsent your way via Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                        (SCHULTP, 23072, GO COM A2)>>>>>   My AE drive says 'AE 3.5" Disk Drive High Density' on the bottom"""""   label. It came with the 1.6MB driver on a floppy disk, but I alsobought a SuperDrive Controller card at the same time, so I never used the1.6MB driver. It works just fine with 1.44MB disks, as well as 800KB disks.I can only speak for my drive, but it will work with either 1.44MB or1.6MB, depending on where it's connected and which driver is being used.  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Fri 7 May 99 5:40:26 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.0 KansasFest 11, July 21-25, 1999 - 75 days till KFest Using Marinetti 2.0 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 23087, GO COM A2)>>>>>   You may be right, Carl. I just checked the bottom of mine and it"""""   says "AEHD 3.5" Disk Drive for Apple Computers". It also has thatHD icon used on high density floppies to the right of the AE symbol on thefront of the drive.However, I've never been able to get it to format 1.6 MB disks. Maybe Ihave the Mac only model. I need to do some more testing with it, though. Ihaven't owned it for very long and have had it hooked up for even less thanthat.  :) Jeff Blakeney |      Dean of the Apple II University in A2Pro      | --------------+----------------------------------------------------+   sent via    |   HyperCard IIgs Course   |   GSoft BASIC Course   |   COG v3.0    |      now in session       |     now in session     |                       (JBLAKENEY, 23090, GO COM A2)TONY WORKS ON PROSEL Y2K COMPLIANCE   ProSEL 16 updates will be available"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   for download later this evening inboth full disk form and a single archive containing all the needed filesfor both ProSEL 8 and 16.ProSEL 16 documentation in AppleWorks format will be included.Since ProSEL is public domain, there are no restrictions on these Year 2000corrected versions. The only Y2K issue left is sorting by date, files from2000 and up will come before files from 19XX. It does not look impossibleto revise ProSEL's utilities and find file to overcome this limitation, butthere are some other issues that need to be addresses first, to make thoseviably distributable and maintain the features from the latest release,ProSEL 16 8.84 Although I just thought of something, there is nothingreally wrong with just providing external EXE files and running them fromthe shell, with a menu option. .. by george, I thing I got something. :)Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 23064, GO COM A2)LOOKING AT THE II THROUGH ALTERNATIVE EYES   The Maganvox model was also""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   sold as the Commodore 1084 and1084s (for stereo) monitor. I have one that I use with my //e and aRamWorks III/Colorworks RGB option.It also doubles as my TV for the room. :)later.............Howard                         (HKATZ, 23131, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I'm not sure about the Magnavox models but I will mention that the"""""   Commodore 1084 works well with the IIgs. I have used both a 1084and a 1084S (has stereo audio input and is what my main IIgs is using rightnow) and I like the larger screen size of these monitors. Larger meaninghaving a 13" viewable screen as opposed to the 11" viewable screen of thestandard IIgs RGB monitor.Also, although I've never tried them, there are some other monitors thatshould work. There is a version of the Commodore 1902 that supports analogRGB, Tandy has an analog RGB monitor that I believe is model number CM-8.Atari also has at least one model of analog RGB monitor but I'm not surewhat model it is.There are probably other analog RGB monitors out there that work (the NECMultisync II comes to mind) but this at least gives you an idea of what tolook for. Jeff Blakeney |      Dean of the Apple II University in A2Pro      | --------------+----------------------------------------------------+   sent via    |   HyperCard IIgs Course   |   GSoft BASIC Course   |   COG v3.0    |      now in session       |     now in session     |                       (JBLAKENEY, 23142, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I also have the Magnavox monitor. Now that I have a SecondSight and"""""   VGA monitor, I use my Magnavox with an old VCR as a TV tuner. Infact, I'm watching the evening news right now! :-)The Magnavox model is 8CM515 and is the equivalent of the Commodore 1084.Paul.Paul Schultzschultp@delphi.comsent your way via Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                        (SCHULTP, 23157, GO COM A2)WHERE TO GET BULK INK FOR INKJET CARTRIDGE REFILLS   Parker (or was it""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Schaefer??) made afountain pen ink called "Quink" that was perfect for the job (I say madebecause they don't carry fountain pen ink at my local office supply storesanymore so I don't know if it is still being sold). It was much 'blacker'and far more 'permanent' than ink jet ink (way cheaper too, in case youcare ;o).HTH,Habanero                       (HABANERO, 23196, GO COM A2)>>>>>   It's Parker. And I bought some about 6 months ago at Staples."""""Paul.Paul Schultzschultp@delphi.comsent your way via Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                        (SCHULTP, 23218, GO COM A2)>>>>>   It is still being made by Parker, and is easily obtainable"""""   everywhere in the UK. It is excellent for use in refilling ink-jetcartridges, though be careful not to include any of the sediment from thebottom of the bottle.The biggest problem I usually have is getting black, as all they seem tohave in stock when I look is blue! Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Thu 13 May 1999 - 69 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 23207, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Computer Friends, www.cfriends.com, sells bulk ink. Water-resistant"""""   black ink costs $10.50 for 2 ounces (60 cc), $49.45 for 16 ounces(480 cc). An HP 51626A cartridge holds 40 cc. Waterproof ink costs a littlemore, $12.50 for 2 oz., $52.95 for 16 oz.I tried some Computer friends bulk in a few years ago; it worked fine. I'vebeen thinking of buying more. Other contact information:   Info: 503-626-2291   Orders: 888-741-3119   Fax: 503-643-5379   Email: cfi@cfriends.comBill Dooley                         (WMD01, 23224, GO COM A2)CAN I GET SOME !HELP! IN HERE?   Seven Hills was the inspiration, but""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   !Help! is not available from them otherthan when included on various of the product disks. To get !Help! directly,download it from my web site. See below... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Mon 17 May 1999 - 65 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 23279, GO COM A2)A DELAY IN SIS SHIPMENT   SIS 1.1 was announced as ready for release, but"""""""""""""""""""""""   unknown to Geoff or anyone else at that point,Seven Hills changed the addresses of their web sites. The new addresses arebeing re-coded into the scripts, and I understand it should be actuallyshipped very soon now. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Fri 28 May 1999 - 54 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 23447, GO COM A2)IF YOU REALLY MUST. . .   You can use AOHell to connect to Delphi, not a"""""""""""""""""""""""   problem...Provided the user is using AOLNet, (Check the setup, next to/near the phonenumber dialed it should say "AOLNet", if not then they need to use anAOLNet dialup, simply changing the selection from say, "Sprintnet" to"AOLNet" will not work, the phone number has to be an AOLNet one.With that, they can use the AOL Browser (yuck), run Netscape (better) oruse a telnet client (best). Telnet will get you text side access to Delphi,and costs a measly $35/year plus the telecom software. ProTERM Mac is themost recommended, you can get a fully functional 30 day demo fromhttp://www.intrec.comUnderstand that the AOL Application must be open the entire time they areconnected to Delphi as this is the TCP/IP connection. So it's like having areally large memory hogging version of FreePPP loaded. :)Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 23408, GO COM A2)MOUSE FIRST AID   You have a weakened spring in the microswitch of your"""""""""""""""   mouse. The cure is a new swtich or a new mouse.My favorite mouse has been through at least three of these switches in thepast dozen years. Last time I bought some, I bought a half dozen, just tohave them on hand.Assuming you can solder, and that they are still in business, you can getthe switches from....Soft Solutions907 River Rd #89Eugene OR, 94704541-302-4355I think they have changed their name, but last I knew they were still atthat number. They also carry replacement mouse cables and other desirableparts. Prices are reasonable, but they have a minimum order.Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 23458, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I replaced the microswitch in my original GS mouse with one I had"""""   'left over' from my Air Force days. My Dremel came in very Handyfor fitting it, since it was not an exact match.I have replaced the left switch in my TurboMouse a couple of times, gettingreplacements from the right button of PC mice whose left button had died.Since we don't have any useful electronics parts stores, cheap PC mice area fairly reasonable alternate source.  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Sun 30 May 99 10:00:55 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.0 KansasFest 11, July 21-25, 1999 - 52 days till KFest Using Marinetti 2.0 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 23480, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Hey, now there's a good tip to keep in mind for those times you see"""""   Intel style mousestuff in thrift stores or even for $4.99 with $5rebate at CompUSA. . .- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                       (RSUENAGA, 23482, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Also, another 'kwik' fix sometimes is loosen the screws on the"""""   front of the mouse by a turn or two. That way the case separates alittle. Sometimes the button just rides too low after a while, particularlyif you keep a finger on it constantly. If this is the case, you can alsoslip two thin washers in the case and tighten it again.Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 23489, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Also, I forgot the mention, a source for the mouse switches is also"""""   any dead (or working, I suppose..) 800K drive. There are two in thefront of the drive. If you remove the metal lever it is the same switch asused on the mouse.If you look at the mouse switch, it even has the mount for the metal lever.Some mice have a little larger switch, but this one will work just thesame.Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 23490, GO COM A2)                                RUMOR MILL                                """"""""""JUICED TO COVER NETWORKING?   A dandy idea, indeed. In fact, we're"""""""""""""""""""""""""""   beginning work on a feature about just thatsubject. Lots of new stuff is happening on this front, and Juiced.GS willcertainly attempt to stay on the leading edge of the info, just as we didby having Geoff Weiss tell readers about his own personal Ethernet solutionin the latest issue.It won't make the next issue, as that one is about to go into theproduction phase. But I hope we can get something together later this year. Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 23202, GO COM A2)IS THIS THE END FOR GENIE?   I appreciate your efforts by starting an A2""""""""""""""""""""""""""   topic in Genie's Mac RT, but there issomething seriously amiss here. If memory serves, it's been at least 3weeks since I've managed to access A2. Before that, I have only been ableto access Genie intermittently for some months now.I do not believe that this is such an insurmountable problem; there aresinister motives afoot. I'll give them one more week, and then I guess I'llhave to cancel my membership also. I am starting to wonder if this is whatGenie wants?Pat, if you have any info about the lockout, please let us know here! I amnot interested in setting up a Genie database for myself in the Mac RT forthe sake of a "temporary" topic. And I am loathe to cancel my Geniemembership, but I will not let them soak me if they have no intention ofre-opening A2 any time soon.TomZ                       (TOMZUSKI, 23128, GO COM A2)>>>>>   No need to suspect sinister motives when complete incompetence is"""""   both a good explanation and fits the known facts.The Y2K bug will take Genie down the tubes on 1/1/00 anyway.Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 23137, GO COM A2)>>>>>   One of the Genie online games went down the same day. There may"""""   have been other RTs at the same time that no one noticed becausethey were already effectively dead.I believe A2 is now history on Genie. We knew it would happen sooner orlater. I don't believe there are sinister motives per se--it's possible,but, the truth is that Genie has not managed to fix so much as one bugthat's cropped up in the last couple of years. This is because they have-no- programmers or engineers on staff anymore who know anything about theGEIS network. When stuff breaks, it stays broken. This has been true forsome time.You haven't even been able to sign up for a new Genie account for a coupleof years. Why? Because a Y2K bug won't allow the system to accept creditcard expiration dates past 99. They've known that for a couple of years andnever, ever fixed it, even though it should be trivial to fix.I am 99% certain at this point that Genie is being used as a tax writeoff,and that's the only reason it still exists at all.We pledged to everyone that we would go out of there with our heads highand do our best to maintain the best possible support until the lights wentout. We knew they'd go out sooner or later.It's been almost two weeks and they still haven't got anyone who can fixit. I think it's toast. --- Dean Esmay - http://www.syndicomm.com/thoughts.html                         (ESMAY, 23148, GO COM A2)IF YOU BUILD ETHERNET, THEY WILL COME   You get it made, and I will be up"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   front amongst the first hundred orso people clamouring on your door for one. If you can get a working cardmade, and get the software drivers written as well, you are on to a winner! Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Mon 17 May 1999 - 65 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 23278, GO COM A2)>>>>>   You build one, and I'll write a driver for Marinetti for you."""""Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 23282, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Put me among the interested in any case. I also know from another"""""   candidate for building up a IIGS ethernet card, who apparently andunfortunately gave up because of software and timing problems . . .Best regards, Ulrich                       (UHAUSMANN, 23283, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Yes, I would buy one....maybe two or three."""""Chris                       (CVAVRUSKA, 23291, GO COM A2)>>>>>   If it's not outrageously expensive, I'd get several. Provided, of"""""   course, we get the proper software support in place.- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                       (RSUENAGA, 23293, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Another raised hand here!"""""-- Michael                          (SAR, 23326, GO COM A2)BUT BEFORE YOU BUILD IT, EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS   In practical terms, a card"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   that allows a computer toattach to an ethernet network, not unlike how the IIgs's LocalTalk portallows it to attach a LocalTalk network.- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                       (RSUENAGA, 23368, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Ethernet and the Internet are not the same thing. In fact they"""""   really have nothing to do with each other at all.Ethernet is simply a local are networking protocol (LAN), just as AppleTalkis one for Apple IIs, Apple IIgs and Macintosh.Where you have an Ethernet network, such as the one we shall see at Aviladuring KFest, you can link this to the Internet using bridges and routers.Over an Ethernet network, you can pass many different kinds of data. Forinstance, I use one between two Macintoshes to pass AppleTalk data. AtAvila. it would be used to pass TCP/IP data through the college router tothe Internet... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 22 May 1999 - 60 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 23386, GO COM A2)AND WHY YOU WANT IT   For starters, it would allow transfer of data over a"""""""""""""""""""   network much faster than the existing LocalTalk port.Additionally, it would provide compatibility with much more networkinghardware than is currently available.- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                       (RSUENAGA, 23380, GO COM A2)>>>>>   So I can link my real IIgs into my Macintoshes, and talk to them at"""""   a decent speed. Ethernet is faster than the slower AppleTalk. Ofcourse the actual speed of the IIgs bus may not be up to such lightningtransfer rates, but it would be fun trying! Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 22 May 1999 - 60 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 23387, GO COM A2)PAUL PARKHURST SURFACES ON DELPHI   First off... hello Delphites! I haven't"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   actually posted here since I used toget on using my IIGS through SprintNet back in... oh, geez, 1995 or 1996was probably the last time :-) Now, I'm back on a PC using the webinterface.Anyway, here's a message I just posted to csa2. Let me know what you think:-)--Paul ParkhurstEmail: {<mailto:paulmp@usa.net> paulmp@usa.net}=======Hi everyone :-) It's been awhile (other than one little post I made acouple of weeks ago) since I frequented csa2. In case anyone is wonderingwhat happened to me, I went over to "the Dark Side". I'm now a seniorsoftware engineer working on the Windows platform. However, you'll be happyto know I still have my IIGS set up and on my desk. I'll never get rid ofit!Anyway... I was just wondering what sort of interest people might have inme releasing ANSITerm and PMPFax for the GS again? Any thoughts? Yay? Nay?Is there still a market for fax and terminal software? I haven't doneanything with them for a long time, and I doubt I'd be able to update orenhance them, but if they're still of use to anyone, I wouldn't mindreleasing them again.Also, one thing I never got around to doing is releasing the Translatorspecs for PMPFax that allows you to create your own fax translators andadd-ins. They're basically a set of IPC calls (about 70 or so, if Iremember correctly) that you can use to communicate directly with PMPFax. Icould also release the actual source for the APF translator that I includedwith the program just to get programmers started. I have C header fileswith macro definitions for all of them that allow you to use these callsjust like C functions.Anyway, I'm just kicking the idea around. Let me know what you think!A][ Infinitum :-)                      (PPARKHURST, 23236, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Ship that puppy! :)"""""And my offer to lend a hand fixing any known problems stands. :)---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 23264, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I entered the Apple IIGS community as a magazine publisher"""""   (Juiced.GS) in 1995-96, right about the time you were easing out,but I've always heard good things about you from folks such as Ryan, Cindy,Kellers and other assorted Apple II characters. :-) It would be great tohave you and your products back in circulation, even in a limited way.I do believe your fax and terminal products would be of interest to theremaining Apple II users. There aren't as many of us as there was,obviously, but we do continue to greet new folks who have obtained IIGSessecond hand and are interested in powering up their units and getting allthey can out of their computer.I would encourage you to re-release both PMPFax and AnsiTERM. The interestthe products generate would probably be directly linked to the price youset on them. What sort of prices did you have in mind?I know we at Juiced.GS would be thrilled to see any and all PMP productsback on the IIGS market, and would be more than willing to write about themand help users get the most they can from them. I would also be happy toassist in distribution, if you decide you'd like to have help on thatfront.It was great to see your post here. Welcome back .... :-) Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 23242, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Hi Paul! Good to see you made it here, even if you're using that"""""   dastardly other computer. :)People ask all the time about what telecom software is available for theApple II. I always like to push ANSITerm in addition to ProTERM andSpectrum, but ANSITerm hasn't been available for a while so it's hard torecommend it unless someone is selling a used copy. I think it would begreat if you put it back on the market. Same goes for PMPFax. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager - Sun May 16, 1999 4:15:22 am [Delivered with Spectrum v2.2 and Crock O' Gold v3.1b21] --                        (TONYW1, 23265, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Welcome back to Delphi!"""""I think it would be marvelous if you were to find a way to offer bothANSITerm and PMPFax for sale again. I for one continue to find greatenjoyment with ANSITerm, and take great pleasure working with the scriptinglanguage.I also have PMPFax - better success sending than receiving, although I haveonly the very occasional need to use Fax capabilities. Perhaps now that Ihave a more capable 'GS', I will find the time to put into really learninghow it works.Thanks for two great products!Don V. Zahniser (IronTooth)Woofed to you by OLRight! scripts for ANSITerm via Bernie ][ the Rescue!                       (DZAHNISER, 23274, GO COM A2)                              PUBLIC POSTINGS                              """""""""""""""THE SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS   Sweet16, the premier Apple IIgs emulator for""""""""""""""""""""""""""   BeOS, is about to be updated to version 0.9.3,the next step toward the elusive goal of version 1.0! :)This will be the first Sweet16 release to be delivered by Eric "Sheppy"Shepherd after he took over development of the product under license fromF.E. Systems.You can get some preliminary information about the upcoming release at{<http://www.sheppyware.net/software/sweet16_be/>http://www.sheppyware.net/software/sweet16_be/.}---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 22974, GO COM A2)MORE ON JOINING TEAM SHEPPYWARE   More on the RC5 contest offer:"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""The URL to see Team SheppyWare's stats (and to join the team) is actually{<http://rc5stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=4034>http://rc5stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=4034.} Itchanged recently. Sorry for the misdirection.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 22985, GO COM A2)ANOTHER RE-RELEASED PIECE OF QUALITY SOFTWARE   First Aid with Reddy is"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   also now Freeware, releasedby Scantron Quality Computers.Later.............Howard                         (HKATZ, 23134, GO COM A2)JUICED.GS FOR THE UNINITIATED   Juiced.GS is indeed a current product that"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   concentrates specifically on the IIGS. AsSheppy already noted, it is a quarterly, printed publication in magazineformat that offers a variety of information from a diverse group ofknowledgeable writers. I think you would find it both interesting andentertaining.Each issue offers at least 20 pages (most have 24), and contains a coverstory on a hot topic. We cover software, hardware, programming,telecommunications, desktop publishing, emulation, shareware, and generalApple II news. If something important is going on in the Apple IIcommunity, you'll read about it here.Juiced.GS is in its fourth year of publication, and all back issues arestill available. The first issue of the year was published in March. Thesecond issue is in production now and will be mailed in mid-June.You can read more about our magazine at the Juiced.GS Web site:http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gsYou will even find some sample articles and columns at the Web site, inaddition to a complete back-issue index and subscription information.An 1999 subscription is $14 in the U.S., Canada or Mexico, $20 elsewhere inthe world. Back issue packages for 1998, 1997 and 1996 are available for$14 each. I can accept checks or money orders in U.S. funds. (I do not havecredit card capabilities. Sorry ...)I would like to send you a sample issue from last year if you'reinterested. As it happens, the sample issue is Fall '98 (Volume 3, Issue 4)and comes with a floppy disk (courtesy of Byteworks and Juiced.GS)containing the free version of GSoft BASIC, the newest Apple IIGSprogramming language.Send me your postal address via e-mail to juicedgs@delphi.com, and I'll getyour sample issue in the mail pronto. :-) This offer applies to anyone elsewho visits the Delphi A2 Forums and sends me an e-mail request.Good luck with your new IIGS! You're going to have a great time with thisfabulous computer. Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 23241, GO COM A2)COG 3.1 KILLS BUGS DEAD   I have now released Crock O' Gold 3.1. You can"""""""""""""""""""""""   download it from my home pages, or as the archiveis 376K, you can get it on disk from JuicedGS or ShareWare Solutions II.Home pages: <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/>It will be available from the Delphi library in a few days time, when TonyWard has got it uploaded and released.The archive includes both an Installer for those migrating from COG 2.x,and an Updater for those updating from COG 3.0.There are various bug fixes and new features:- An optional Auto-Spell check option has been added since v3.0. This isonly active if you have NiftySpell installed.- An obscure bug in posting mail and messages has been fixed.- Uploading of mail messages larger than 5120 characters is now madethrough the User workspace. This speeds up transfers and reduces errorswith attached files.- Uploading of files to the Forum databases is also handled through theUser workspace.- Any 'Dot' commands introduced while composing messages will be notified.- Selecting 'OA-G' while already online will now check your Mailbox.- Uploading messages which included bullets, could cause the script set tocrash. This has been fixed.- The position flag was not always being set correctly if you let yourmessage files grow in the InBox.- Improved handling when starting Crock O' Gold when already connected toDelphi.- An obscure problem of missing fields when replying to mail messages hasbeen fixed.- Various Installer bugs have also been fixed. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 22 May 1999 - 60 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 23388, GO COM A2)CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SON   MECI is currently selling IBM PS/2 mod 25"""""""""""""""""""""""   carrying cases for $19.95 US. These fit an AppleIIGS w/ RGB monitor perfectly. I have had one of these for years and itworks great!The part# is 220-6422MECI340 E. First St.Dayton, OH 45402 USAhttp://www.meci.commeci@meci.com1-800-344-4465 for orders (North America only, I think)1-800-344-6324 24hr fax order lineK-Fester's, an easy way to take your IIGS with you                       (HABANERO, 23337, GO COM A2)                             BEST OF THE BEST                             """"""""""""""""23375 21-MAY 16:20 User Groups & Publications     Shareware Solutions II (Re: Msg 442)     From: JOE_KOHN     To: ALLPardon me as I reminisce, but it was exactly 12 years ago today that I gotthe telephone call that changed my life.A few months before, I'd been hired by The Source online network to set upand administer their Apple II forums, and for most of that Spring of 1987,I'd been working behind the scenes, setting up the message base anduploading files to the library.On May 21, 1987, my contact person at The Source called to tell me thatthey'd just flipped the switch, and my revamped Applesig was opened to thepublic for the first time.So, today is a very significant day for me, as it marks 12 years since Istarted working full-time with my Apple II.After that brief stroll down memory lane, now returning you to 1999 ;-)Joe Kohnhttp://www.concentric.net/~joko[EOA][A2P]------------------------------                   A2Pro_DUCTIVITY |-----------------------------------Checking out A2PRO on Delphi""""""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]MORE ON THE FST PROJECT PROPOSAL   Another easier and more reasonable thing""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   to do than try to write an FST would beto write an HFS repair utility for the IIgs; the HFS format is documented,you just need to write the code.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2604, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   The HFS FST may be a tad slow, but it is workable, and as long as"""""   the patch has been applied, seems not to cause too many problems oneither side of the divide.I think Sheppy has a good point here, a repair utility for HFS would answermany of the criticisms of those who do not have access to a Mac to do thejob for them... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 1 May 1999 - 81 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                       (EWANNOP, 2605, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   And source code for an HFS repair utility is freely available."""""   Check out Apple's public release of Darwin for a HFS fsck utility.It will take a bit of work to port that code to the IIgs since it assumes32 bit ints and freely uses 64 bit ints. But, it also repairs HFS+ filesystems.IMO, the first logical step for the entire FST project is to patch theexisting HFS FST to make it more stable. I'm sure there is just a B+ treelogic problem. I've seen HFS floppy disks get corrupted so there is someorder of adding and removing data to the B+ trees that is buggy.Geoff                      (SISGEOFF, 2607, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   I agree. Finding and fixing the problem in the HFS FST should be"""""   relatively easy (especially compared to writing a new FST). Inaddition, it'd probably be easier to patch the existing HFS FST to befaster than it would be to write a new FST, as well.And again, there's public source for an HFS repair utility, so that shouldbe a priority -- port it to the IIgs.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2608, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   I agree with Sheppy, in that people are underestimating the"""""   difficulty involved with writing an FST. I'm not saying it cannotbe done, just that it is not going to be a simple as you think. It is notofficially documented, for a reason.However, this project needs to get its raison detre straight. It is to:UPGRADE THE PRODOS FILING SYSTEM BEYOND THE INHERENT 16 BIT RESTRICTIONS ONBLOCK SIZES.To do this, the first step MUST be somebody publishing a paper on how tophysically contain (assuming) 32 bit block numbers within the ProDOS filingsystem. Anything else (such as disassembling an FST) and you're kiddingyourself.IF (and I say IF) a way to update the ProDOS filing system is found, youthen need to decide whether the restrictions of the changes are worth theeffort. For example, it may be that the two versions are completelyincompatible. Is this really worth it when other filing systems alreadysupport 32 bit?Once a decision to proceed is made, and you have the changes required, onlyTHEN can you decide how to implement it, whether it be through a new FST,patches to the current FST or support in ProDOS 8.Until these initial steps are taken, the project cannot be taken seriously.(IMNSHO) ;-)Regards, Richard                      (RICHARD_B, 2606, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>> "UPGRADE THE PRODOS FILING SYSTEM BEYOND THE INHERENT 16 BIT"""""  RESTRICTIONS ON BLOCK SIZES."You can ask for this all you want, but I don't think it will never happen.In fact, I hope it never happens. The same is true for extending the lengthof file names or allowing other characters in file names. You really haveto recognize the inherent limits in the OS itself.The ProDOS file system only allows room for two bytes for block numbers.That limits you to 65536 blocks per file. Any attempt to increase thenumber of blocks would break every application ever written thatmanipulates the file system. That does NOT just mean disk optimizers, italso includes every 8 bit application and most 16 bit applications that canlist the files on the disk, including, but not limited to, Apple's ProDOSutilities, Mac OS, BASIC.System and ORCA/M.The same is true for extending the length of a file name.Many programs would work if you changed the characters allowed in a filename, especially programs written for Apple IIGS System 4 or later, butmany would break. Frankly, since there is an HFS FST, I'd recommend notallowing any file names with characters other than those allowed now. In myopinion, the benefit would be swamped by the confusion and the number ofprograms that would not handle the new characters.It is possible to extend the maximum length of files using ProDOS withoutchanging the number of blocks that can appear in a file. ProDOS and GS/OSboth flatly state that you can change the size of each block to somethingother than 512 bytes per block. Any correctly written program should allowfor this possibility and function correctly if you increase the block sizeto, say, 1K to support a 64M drive. This is the same method that HFS usedto support larger volumes. I also know that Apple experimented with changesto the block size and directory header at one point, making changes thatany correctly written program should support (i.e. one that followed all ofthe published rules). They never released the changes because so fewprograms--even their own--worked when the changes were installed. In fact,one of their engineers commented that ORCA/M was one of the very fewprograms that could still catalog a disk. :)Finally, keep in mind that very, very few programs can be changed at thispoint, even if you have an unlimited supply of competent programmer time,which you don't. A lot of the source code simply will not be available.For all of these reasons, I strongly believe that any attempt to mess withthe maximum size of a file, length of a file name, or the charactersallowed in a file name under ProDOS is a really, really bad idea.In my opinion, if, by some miracle, you get the source code to System 6.0.1released, a far better idea would be to concentrate solely on fixing bugs,especially in the ProDOS and HFS FSTs. Beyond that, making the PC DOS FSTread/write would be very useful.Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2614, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Absolutely! This is one case where I'd love to be put out of"""""   business![Side bar: For years I have seen references to the MSDOS Utilities as "a           port of the MTools package". I had no idea what that meant,           except that I knew my code was written entirely by me (except           for some help with the Win 95 filename checksums). I just           discovered a few days ago that MTools is a package of Unix           commands which bear an uncanny resemblance to my MSDOS           Utilities in both syntax and architecture! Talk about parallel           evolution! (Hmmm, I wonder if the port was the other way...)           ;-) ]Anyway, here is an interesting thinking point about all this FSTdisassembly discussion. It's actually not (too!) hard to disassemble anFST. The problem is _understanding_ it, particularly given all theundocumented internal calls to the $01/FCxx entry points. Even with thepre-release documentation (which has many more calls than the finalmanuals), there are still many calls whose function is unknown. And thepurpose of many of the "pre-release" calls is not clear either, even ifthey do at least have a name.So it starts to look like it might be necessary to disassemble GS/OS properto find out what the calls do. And that's a task not to be undertakenlightly!Getting the source to GS/OS? Six months ago it would have been a laughablesuggestion. Today though, maybe there's a chink that we can exploit. Isuspect that at least part of the problem will be that nobody will want torelease the code while it's still in use by non-"hobbyists" (schools, etc).Especially since if the code is like any I've seen in many places, it willprobably consist mostly of well engineered bits, but with some absolute"hacks" that they hope will never see the light of day. Still, it has to beworth a try!--Peter Watson-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?-- Impossible! ;-)                     (PETERWATSON, 2619, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   FWIW, the original premise in this thread was to use the"""""   disassembled ProDOS FST as a framework for developing an FST whichovercomes the limitations of the ProDOS FST. This new FST would NOT be areplacement for ProDOS but a new FST which is incompatible with ProDOS.Paul.Paul Schultzschultp@delphi.comsent your way via Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                       (SCHULTP, 2622, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   I did miss that distinction. But isn't that essentially what HFS"""""   does? Why reinvent the wheel?Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2625, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   People are dissatisfied with the HFS FST for three key reasons:"""""1. It's slow.2. It has bugs and tends to corrupt data, even with the HFS patch   installed.3. There are no IIgs utilities to repair HFS disks.These are all valid points. #2 can probably be fixed through research andcarefully-applied patches. The slowness is a fairly serious problem,though.#3 is relatively easy to fix. HFS is documented, and public sourceutilities to read and verify HFS disks do exist.I would point out one other problem with HFS -- you can't boot it.A custom FST, with a carefully rewritten ProDOS loader file and Start.GSOSfile, could be made bootable.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2626, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Because just using the HFS FST doesn't get us any closer to fixing"""""   the bugs in the HFS FST or speeding it up. Nor does it get us anycloser to making the MS-DOS FST read/write or allow it to access longfilenames or FAT32 partitions. Nor does it get us any closer to creatingnew FSTs to support NTFS, unix or other machine's file systems.I'm sure there are other benefits as well but I think this is enough fornow.  :) Jeff Blakeney |      Dean of the Apple II University in A2Pro      | --------------+----------------------------------------------------+   sent via    |   HyperCard IIgs Course   |   GSoft BASIC Course   |   COG v3.0    |      now in session       |     now in session     |                      (JBLAKENEY, 2628, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   So what? And the same comment goes for Sheppy's remarks. You're all"""""   still missing the point.Yes, the HFS FST has some problems. Big deal. A "new" ProDOS FST has evenbigger problems, namely that it doesn't exist at all. That ignores the factthat a number of applications probably will break under it, and you won'tbe able to move files back and forth to the Mac.Fixing the HFS FST seems easier and makes a lot more sense to me thaninventing a new one. I have not seen any convincing argument that a newProDOS FST that has HFS capabilities would be better than HFS in anypossible way. Every disadvantage cited for HFS would apply to the newProDOS FST, too. Top that off with the many problems with a new ProDOS FSTin terms of support from existing applications that a fixed HFS FST doesnot have, and I still have to ask why anyone would consider creating a newFST at this point rather than fixing the one we have.Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2631, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   That last post sounded a lot more negative than I intended. I do"""""   truly wonder why anyone would create a new ProDOS-like FST ratherthan fixing the HFS FST. At the same time, I'm asking the questions I do tounderstand where others are coming from, not to slam any effort thateventually gets under way. Ultimately, if there are people who want towrite the new FST, that's really all the reason that's needed.I sure hope the HFS FST gets fixed first, though. :)Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2632, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Hmm... I replied a few days ago to this thread, but the post never"""""   appeared.I just wanted to clarify my comments from last week. I said that thisproject would not progress properly until its aims were clearly defined(which they have still yet to be). I also said that anything involvingupdating the ProDOS filing system would require analysis of ProDOS beforeany disassembly work can even be considered.I still think this is the case.To address a few of Jeff's more recent points:"what we are proposing at present is just a fix for the ProDOS FST."A fix? Updating ProDOS to support larger volumes is not a fix, it is amajor update. Like VERY major."Ultimately, if there are people who want to write the new FST, that's really all the reason that's needed.""Yup and no ill-wishers are going to stop us. :)"Then why not make the aim of the project to disassemble FSTs as a funproject, instead of disguising it as something useful such as updating afiling system. If a team was put together to update ProDOS, then 90% of thetime would be spent arguing over who would do the disassembly of the FST.So why not just do that instead?On a final note, I want to say that I have no interest in updating ProDOS,and think the project will fail, and perhaps never even get off the ground.I was posting possible solutions to at least help out. That doesn't mean Inecessarily agreed with it though.However, I would have an interest in reading an HFS FST disassembly, justour of interest. :-)Hmmm... I don't know why I'm so negative this week. Sorry.Regards, Richard                      (RICHARD_B, 2635, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   From considerable experience in using HFS drives on both a real"""""   IIgs and sharing them with a Mac under GUS/Bernie, I think theproblems of the standard patched HFS FST are minor.It might be possible to speed up the HFS FST by some careful recoding, butI suspect that it is just the overhead of more things it has to do that isslowing it down. A new ProDOS FST would have more things to do, so it toowould probably turn out slower.Using an accelerated IIgs, I never saw any real speed hit using HFS, expectperhaps when writing floppies. To a hard drive, it is only a little slower.The real problem with the HFS FST is that it does tend to build acollection of 'Missing file records' on an HFS volume. This does not seemto cause problems on the IIgs side, or the Mac side, and can easily befixed by running 'Disk First Aid' on the Mac. What we really need is apatch to the FST to resolve that, or a utility that can fix the threadsfrom the IIgs side. A utility to do some basic 'Disk First Aid' work fromthe IIgs side would probably be the easiest thing to write.I agree with Richard, if you change the ProDOS FST, it is no longer ProDOS,and almost every P8 program I have written, would probably no longer work.All those utilities such as ProSel would cease to be of use as well, so youwould be looking not only at writing a new FST, but a host of utilities togo with it!Let's be realistic here. Who would write any updated FST? I can't see anyof those capable of doing it thinking it is a good idea, and so offering towrite one. So let's just be sensible about this, and resolve the one knownproblem of the existing HFS FST that shows up in daily use. Either that, orwrite a utility to do what 'Disk First Aid' does on the Mac... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Tue 11 May 1999 - 71 days till KFest '99 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.0 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.0 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                       (EWANNOP, 2636, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   IMO, it should only take a week to fix the existing HFS problems"""""   (say 4-5 hours average per day for seven days). One doesn't have toknow how the FST works in whole to make it work. I'm sure there is justsomething wrong with the B+ tree logic with writing.steps-----3 days (12-15 hours) to find a set of repeatable steps which corrupt filesand directories on a floppy3 days (12-15 hours) to use NiftyList, GSBug, etc. to walk through the HFSFST code to see what is getting scrambled when the file/directories getcorrupted1 day (4-5 hours) to write a patchPre-reqs--------* knowledgeable about B+ trees* knowledgeable about HFS file and directory structures* knowledgeable to use IIgs debugging tools- There is plenty of freely information on the Internet for the first two  areas--shouldn't take more than a week to learn what is needed- The latter is sort of assumed if someone takes on this projectI see this much easier and much faster than to disassemble and fullycomment existing FST structures. I know Brutal Deluxe has done a lot ofwork on this already. Engineering a new file system will definitely takemore than two weeks. This is why I think fixing HFS would be an easierproject and provide a higher level of satisfaction.I don't want to discourage anybody from wanting to create a new file systemor from disassembling code for the fun of it. I just question the priorityand pressing needs.Using a IIgs emulator, it is very convenient having 32 meg ProDOS hard diskimages. Backups take 20 seconds to copy the image to another partition.These images take almost no space on 4 gig or higher drives. If the futureof the IIgs is by use through an emulator, I see no need for a new FST.Geoff                      (SISGEOFF, 2637, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Wow. And I thought _I_ was optimistic about programming project"""""   times! :)Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2644, GO COM A2PRO)HOW DO I DO RANDOM NUMBERS IN 8-BIT ASSEMBLY?   If you're using ORCA/M,"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   just use the built-in macrolibrary. The random number generator uses a very long sequence, but doesnot use slow math routines to generate the numbers. It's been thoroughlytested over the years, too, including by a competitor who was a mathprofessor at Princeton at the time. :) I'm not aware of anything on theApple II that comes close to generating the same quality of random numbers,and certainly not with as long a bit pattern.The ORCA/M random number generator is available on both the 8 and 16 bitsides. Source code is available on both sides, too.Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2630, GO COM A2PRO)C PROBLEMS WITH STRNCPY   I'm having a problem using strncpy...well, I'm"""""""""""""""""""""""   not sure if it's me or splat that is wrong.here is what I am doing:typedef struct abc {char *dataword moredata;} abc;main (){abc new;char mystuff[20];new = (abc *) malloc(sizeof(abc));new->data = (char *) malloc (21*sizeof(char));/* do something to populate mystuff */new->data[0] = 20; /* size of the string */strncpy(&new->data[1], mystuff, 20);}Provided that my memory is correct (I'm not in front of the GS at themoment), am I address receiving field correctly? It looks as though throughsplat that it is changing the address of that new->data points to.I plan on pulling out ORCA debugger tonight to see if it shows somethingdifferent.Any help would be appreciated.Chris                      (CVAVRUSKA, 2656, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Believe it or not, I've found that parentheses can help here. Try"""""   this:strncpy(&(new->data[1]), mystuff, 20);I had this problem in gsAIM, and adding the parens around (new->data[1])eliminated the problem in my case.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2657, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   I saw Sheppy answered already, but you might want to adjust the"""""   optimization flags and see if that helps. I don't know enough aboutOrca/C to say which flags are better/worse for optimizations.Geoff                      (SISGEOFF, 2660, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   If I'm not mistaken (happened before ;), according to rules of"""""   precedence and associativity, -> binds tighter than & so therefore:&new->data[1] should be exactly the same as &(new->data[1])if it isn't, perhaps a bug report should be filed?   -> has precedence 17, is postfix and associates left   & has precedence 15, is unary and associates righttherefore, -> binds tighter than &.habanero                      (HABANERO, 2665, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   I have some questions and some comments about your code snippet:"""""> typedef struct abc {> char *data> word moredata;> } abc;>> main ()Although it doesn't apply to ORCA/C (unless Byte Works updates it) when thenew ANSI standard (C9X) is published later this year (or early next year)implicit return of int from functions will not be allowed. i.e. declaringmain () will break your code in new ANSI compilers. If you are planning onusing any new compilers starting soon, declaring int main(void) will be agood habit to develop right now (for main without args). Implicit return ofint is a throwback to K&R C of which ANSI is disposing.> {> abc new;> char mystuff[20];>> new = (abc *) malloc(sizeof(abc));Has 'new' been declared as a pointer? Perhaps you meant to declare abc*new; ??Btw, if you #include <stdlib.h> the cast is unnecessary in ANSI compilers.malloc is prototyped as void *malloc(size_t size) since a generic (i.e.void *) pointer is declared it will assume the correct type during theassignment. i.e.abc *new;new = malloc(sizeof(abc));is all that is necessary. In fact, I have heard that the cast can actuallymask certain kinds of errors, warnings for not #include'ing stdlib.h is onethat comes to mind. I know all the books show to cast the call to mallocbut this all stems from the book "The C programming Language" by K&R ofwhich both versions were published prior to the ANSI standard. K&R C doesnot know of void * which is why the cast is necessary, otherwise theimplicit int will be returned.> new->data = (char *) malloc (21*sizeof(char));Once again, the cast isn't necessary, additionally sizeof(char) isguaranteed to be 1 on every C compiler on every platform (this is a featureof the C language). Multiplying by sizeof(char) is simply multiplying by 1.new->data = malloc(21); will do exactly the same thing (on any ANSIcompliant compiler), give you 21 bytes of storage. One other quick note,the call to malloc should be checked to ensure you actually received somememory, it will return NULL if there was an error.> /* do something to populate mystuff */>> new->data[0] = 20; /* size of the string */> strncpy(&new->data[1], mystuff, 20);strncpy is declared in string.h aschar *strncpy(char *dest, const char *src, size_t n);Is 'new' a pointer to 'struct abc' or is it declared as 'struct abc'??Is it possible the call to malloc or the & is giving you address problems??Just random musings, feel free to disregard ;o)habanero                      (HABANERO, 2666, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   if stdlib.h isn't #included, ORCA/C will assume that malloc takes"""""   an integer (it takes a long), which would cause crashing. There'sno reason NOT to take advantage of ORCA/C's ANSI features (ie #pragma lint-1). A few extra minutes compiling beats a few extra hours debugging :)string.h should also be #included.                         (KWS, 2667, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   "if stdlib.h isn't #included, ORCA/C will assume that malloc takes"""""    an integer (it takes a long), which would cause crashing."Right, ANSI compliant compilers (for now) return int implicitly tofunctions without a prototype. I believe that the small overhead of#including stdlib.h anytime malloc is used in a program is well worth theextra readability and portability one gets (and don't forget youautomatically get the rest of the functions in stdlib.h for free :o)Casting, imo, should ONLY be used when it is NECESSARY. I have heardarguments in favor of the non-standard malloc.h that some implementationshave also, but it is my belief that if malloc.h is there, then thereprobably is an implementation specific call to a memory manager that willwork much better than any call to malloc. If you are going to purposelyrender your code non-portable, you might as well take full advantage of theimplementation :o).If casting is required (gosh, I hope not :o) in ORCA/C with stdlib.h#included, then the compiler is broken, or not ANSI. If it isn't required,then there is little reason not to #include <stdlib.h> (imo, ymmv ;o)"There's no reason NOT to take advantage of ORCA/C's ANSI features (ie #pragma lint -1). A few extra minutes compiling beats a few extra hours debugging :)"100% agreement here :o)"string.h should also be #included."Yes, Chris' code snippet didn't show it, but I assume he has it in hisactual code. If not, his troubles have just begun :o)Regards,habanero                      (HABANERO, 2668, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   This wasn't the actual code, so there may have been a typo or two."""""   I did have the new declared as a *new (this was one of thosetypos). anyway, something funky is happening in orca C that is screwing upthe pointers. I need to figure out what the heck is happening here. I thinkI am going to have to rewrite the code that is having the problem and bringit down to the basics and work from there. Logically it looks right.Thanks,Chris                      (CVAVRUSKA, 2669, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Well, before you rewrite the code let me make sure another of your"""""   constructs wasn't a typo. (I am simplifying what I think your codesays, correct me if I make an error).#include <stdlib.h>#include <string.h>int main(void);{abc *new; /* declare new a pointer to abc type */char mystuff[20]; /* and mystuff a 20 member character array */new = malloc(sizeof(abc); /* let new point to something */new->data = malloc(21); /* let data, a char buffer, point somewhere */new->data[0] = 20; /* assign int value 20 to first byte of char buffer */                    /* and let the assignment do the conversion */strncpy(&new->data[1], mystuff, 20);So if the above is correct, without a typo, then I think you are confused.try strncpy((new->data) + 1, mystuff, 20) without the 'address of'operator.you don't want the address of new->data so you don't need the &what you want (I think, and I am no expert) is some pointer arithmetic tostart copying into your offset from new->dataIf it is a typo, then perhaps you could post some of your actual code andexplain what is doing, as opposed to what you want it to do.Regards,habanerops I don't guarantee any of the above to be correct, but hey, I'm trying:o)                      (HABANERO, 2670, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Oops, after I posted I noticed two of my own typos"""""forget the semi-colon after int main(void)and add a ) to new = malloc(sizeof(abc)habanero                      (HABANERO, 2671, GO COM A2PRO)[EOA][WWW]------------------------------                   THE WAY WE WERE |-----------------------------------User Group Reprints~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~by Tee Cashmore[teec@execulink.com]                          The Best Of Both Worlds                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     One of the unsung heroes of the Apple II world has to be AppliedEngineering's "PC Transporter".  Simply put, it is an "IBM" XT Turbo on acard that fits in an Apple ][+, //e, or IIgs slot and acts like an IBM with640K.  If you want to read genuine IBM disks (360K 5.25" or 720K 3.5", nothigh density) you will also need a "TransDrive", which has the space to adda 3.5" drive above the 5.25", or an Apple 3.5" drive, which can read bothIBM and Prodos formats.  You also get 768K of memory to use with_Appleworks_ and other ProDOS programs that use Apple's Memory ExpansionProtocol.  As with many peripherals, a hard drive helps a lot and itdoesn't matter if you can't partition the drive, as the system works undera ProDOS file anyway.  It also requires MS DOS 3.1 or higher-- MS DOS 5.0seems to work like a charm.  With a ][+ it requires an IBM style extendedkeyboard, also recommended for a //e, but a IIgs keyboard is fine.     One very interesting and useful piece of included software enables youto transfer files from MS DOS to ProDOS and vice versa, enabling one towork on _WordPerfect_ files on _Appleworks_ and then save them in a mannerthat can be read on an IBM at the office.  This system is somewhat easierthan _CrossWorks_, as you don't have to connect 2 machines to modems orcables to transpose data.     I recently had the frustrating experience of attempting to import adatabase file with 1300 records from one IBM program to another.  Afterspending 22 hours trying unsuccessfully to accomplish my goal, I enlistedthe efforts of Sam Latella to change the data to ProDOS and Terry Steeperto help me set up an _Appleworks GS_ database file.  Bingo!  The transferwas done and I have enhanced, sorted and manipulated the file in many ways,which my cohorts still have trouble doing on their IBM programs and theythink I did it with a Mac, the only Apple most people know exists.     It is a pity that Applied Engineering has not seen fit to upgrade thesystem to work with high density drives and be memory expandable, in factit appears that the PC Transporter is destined to be discontinued.  Pity!     Applied Engineering is currently selling the PC Transporter, kit,software and choice of drives for 33% less than normal retail prices!There are also a few used Transporters available for even less cost.  About9 London Apple Club members either still have, or did have PC Transporters,most so that they could work on IBM programs at home and take the resultsback to the office.  Two members went through University with the help of aPC Transporter, one in Engineering, one in Computer Science and while someIBM programs are not compatible, most work fine.    If you have to work with IBM files, but don't want to lose the userfriendliness of your Apple and haven't got the desktop space for 2machines, why not consider a PC Transporter?  It may just fit your needsfor a lot less cost than a new computer.[Tee's 1999 note: I have read about a number of Delphi members that stilluse their PC Transporters in 1999 and I wrote the above article in 1993.][EOA][KFE]------------------------------                    THINKING KFEST |-----------------------------------KansasFest 1999~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~by Douglas Cuff[doug@cuff.com]                   The Accidental Tourist at KansasFest                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Copyright 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 by Douglas Cuff.  All rights reserved.     The Accidental Tourist travel guides were described by Anne Tyler inher 1985 novel of the same name (later a movie starring William Hurt,Kathleen Turner, and Geena Davis).  The Accidental Tourist guides weredesigned for the business traveller whose reactions to travel were feelingsof anxiety and defenseless.  The guides were meant to soothe and comfortthe non-adventurous traveller.     If you've never been to KansasFest before, you should find that thisguide will do the same for you.  If you're an old hand at KansasFest, thisguide will provide you with some helpful reminders.     (If you've read this far with a growing sense of _deja vu_, that'sbecause this article originally appeared in _GenieLamp A2_ Vol. 5, Issue 52[July 1996], and was reprinted in _GenieLamp A2_ in 1997.  This is itssecond revision in _The Lamp!_)     One word of warning:  If there's a conflict between the advice youreceive from the Accidental Tourist and the instructions you're given fromthe information packet when you arrive at KansasFest--pay attention to theofficial info packet.  These folks know the score.     KansasFest began in 1989 as the A2-Central Developer Conference, anddidn't begin calling itself KansasFest until its third year, 1991.KansasFest takes place in Kansas City, Missouri.  (Not Kansas City, Kansas.The Kansas border is less than a mile away, if that comforts you any.)     This will be the eleventh annual KansasFest, and it's not just forprogrammers and developers any more.  If you've never been to KansasFestbefore, you don't know what you're missing!  It's a great chance to learnabout your Apple II, mingle with other users, and see what software otherpeople are working on.  This is the Apple II event of the year.  I can'tsay exactly how many people will there, but a safe estimate is 50-100attendees (counting those who stay off-campus).     What campus?  KansasFest takes place entirely at Avila College, in thesouthmost part of Kansas City.  Here's the address:          Avila College          11901 Wornall Road          Kansas City, Missouri  64145  U.S.A.          phone (816) 942-8400     Avila College is small--approximately 1500 students--which means youcan walk anywhere on campus in five minutes.  Use of a car is therefore asoptional as it's ever going to get, assuming you fly to Kansas.  The onetime you are going to be hollering for a vehicle is when you try to get toand from Kansas City International airport.  More on that shortly.     This year, KansasFest is scheduled for July 21-July 25, but dorm roomsare available for the nights of July 20-July 25.          PM   Tue July 20    early arrival               Wed July 21    registration and keynote address (evening)               Thu July 22    scheduled sessions               Fri July 23    scheduled sessions               Sat July 24    demos (morning); vendors' fair (afternoon)          AM   Sun July 25    farewell     Check-in time is 1-4 PM Wednesday.  Check-out time is 11 AM-1 PMSunday.     How much the conference costs depends on when you pay for it and whatkind of accommodation you require.  You can save a few bucks if you'rewilling to share a room--private rooms cost more.  (The prices went up by$50 on April 16.)  Arriving early costs a little more, naturally.          arrival:            Wed.      Tue.          private room        $325      $358          shared room         $275      $300          spouse rate         $225      $250          conference only     $225     It is possible to stay at a hotel for about the same price, butstaying on campus is still a better idea, since after-hours activities area big part of KansasFest.  If you've ever attended a conference held in onehotel but stayed in another hotel, you'll remember how much you'd wishedyou'd stayed "on site".     Also, the campus room rates include meals from Wednesday eveningdinner on July 21 through Sunday morning breakfast on July 25, with theexception of the Saturday evening meal.     One note on meals for all attendees:  For the first eight years ofKansasFest, free lunch at Avila's cafeteria used to be included for _all_KFesters, even those not staying on campus.  These days, those not stayingon campus must provide their own lunches.  Fortunately, being banished fromthe Avila cafeteria ought not make anyone weep.     Those staying on campus should also note that no meals are provided onTuesday or Wednesday (because both dates are before the official start)night nor on Saturday night (because that's the unofficially official nighton the town).  Keep in mind that you're on your own your last night there.You can get a breakfast on Sunday, though, if you're staying on campus.     You will be staying in Ridgway dormitory, which was built in 1963.For those of you who have never experienced dorm life or have forgottenwhat it was like, expect spartan surroundings.  Forget the idea of aprivate bathroom, but you'll be glad to know that the rooms areair-conditioned.BEFORE YOU GO   As with any trip, you need to arrange for several things:"""""""""""""     o  conference attendance;     o  accommodation (included in package);     o  meals (included in package);     o  transport to/from conference.     Those attending from outside the United States will also need:     o  passport/visa;     o  medical insurance;     o  US currency/traveller's checks.Conference Attendance   There are 80 spaces for on-campus attendees,'''''''''''''''''''''   and even if you register late, there may be roomfor off-campus conference attendees.  You may be able to register at Avilaon July 20/21.  Check first.     You can get more KansasFest information by checking out the KFest HomePage at http://www.kfest.org.  For specific information, E-mailkfest-help@kfest.org.  There's also a KFest mailing list, which you cansubscribe to by sending email to majordomo@kfest.org, and including thewords "subscribe kfest" in the body of the message (the body, not thesubject).     If you'd like to register, contact:          KFest '99          c/o InTrec Software, Inc.          3035 E. Topaz Circle          Phoenix, AZ 85028-4423          USA          Web page: http://www.intrec.com/a2.html/kfest.txt     Please make checks and money order payable to InTrec Software--in USdollars, and drawn on a US bank.     Credit card registration is also available.  Just call InTrecSoftware, Inc. with your Visa, MasterCard, Discovery, or American Expressnumber at (602) 992-1345, Monday-Friday 8:00 AM-5:00 PM Mountain StandardTime.  You can also fax your registration with credit card account numberand expiration date to (602) 992-0232 24 hours a day, seven days a week.Or E-mail your credit card account number and expiration date tokfest@intrec.com.     In summary, to register by credit card:          o  write to the address above (checks also okay here);          o  phone (602) 992-1345;          o  fax (602) 992-0232; or          o  e-mail kfest@intrec.com     But remember, that's only when you know you want to register.  If youhave questions first, send e-mail to kfest-help@kfest.org.Accommodation   If you're staying at Avila College campus, chances are good'''''''''''''   that you're going to be sharing a room with one otherperson.  Space is limited, so you're unlikely to end up in a room byyourself unless you specifically request a private room (which costs more).The rooms are _not_ co-ed (aside from the occasional married couple), butthe dorms are.     There aren't any hotels within walking distance of Avila College, soplan on having transportation if you're staying off-campus.     Here are some hotels said to be near Avila College.  Please be warnedthat I haven't stayed at any of them, so I can't make recommendations.Approximate room rates are shown.          Fairfield Inn--Overland Park          4401 W. 107th, Overland Park, KS 66207          913-381-5700          $55-$75          (closest hotel to KansasFest in Kansas)          Courtyard by Marriott South          500 E. 105th St., Kansas City, MO  64131          816-941-3333          $99          (closest hotel to KansasFest in Missouri)          Candlewood Suites          11001 Oakmont, Overland Park, KS  66210          913-469-5557          $89-119          DoubleTree Hotel Kansas City Corporate Woods          10100 College Boulevard, Overland Park, KS 66210          800-222-TREE / 913-451-6100          $109-$159          Drury Inn--Overland Park          10951 Metcalf Avenue, Overland Park, KS  66210          913-345-1500          $72-91          Overland Park Marriott Hotel          10800 Metcalf Avenue, Overland Park, KS 66210          800-228-9290 / 913-451-8000          $129-$155          AmeriSuites          6801 W. 112th, Overland Park, KS 66211          800-833-1516 / 913-451-2553          $107-$127          Red Roof Inn--Overland Park          6800 W. 108th St., Overland Park, KS 66211          913-341-0100          $46-$76          Residence Inn by Marriott--Overland Park          6300 W. 110th Street, Overland Park, KS 66211          800-331-3131 / 913-491-3333          $109-$159          Sumner Suites          5001 W 110th Street, Overland Park, KS  66211          913-491-9002          $99          Wyndham Gardnen Hotel--Overland Park          7000 W 108th Street, Overland Park, KS  66211-1163          913-383-2550          $74-$109          Clubhouse Inn & Suites--Overland Park          10610 Marty Avenue, Overland Park, KS 66212          800-CLUBINN / 913-648-5555          $75-$95          Courtyard by Marriott          11301 Metcalf Avenue, Overland Park, KS 66212          913-339-9900          $124-$134          Embassy Suites Hotel--Overland Park          10601 Metcalf Avenue, Overland Park, KS 66212          800-362-2779 / 913-649-7060          $129-$159          (charges for local calls)          Hampton Inn--Overland Park          10591 Metcalf Frontage Road, Overland Park, KS 66212          800-HAMPTON / 913-341-1551          $84-$94          Homewood Suites          10556 Marty Avenue, Overland Park, KS 66212          913-341-5576          $119-$149Meals   If you're staying on Avila campus, meals are included in the'''''   package price (except Saturday evening).  If you aren't staying atAvila, you're completely on your own.     If you find the cafeteria food not to your liking--and manydon't--you'll be relieved to know that there's a supermarket about 25minutes' walk away.  Here's how to get there:     Start at Carondelet dorm.  Stand with your back to the dorm entrance,so that you can see the Marian Center if you look left.  Turn right fromCarondelet and walk down to the parking lot.  Turn left and walk out of theparking lot, down Sister Oliver Louise Drive.  This private road takes youto 118th Street.  Turn left and walk on 118th until you reach Wornall Road.Turn right on Wornall until you reach the intersection of Wornall andMinor.  Turn right onto Minor Drive.     Once on Minor, ten minutes' walk will bring you close to the end ofMinor, to the point where you can see a large parking lot.  Veer left andyou'll be at a small shopping mall that boasts a bank, a supermarket, and arestaurant.  (Note:  This trip can be made a few minutes shorter, but thesedirections are simpler, and can be easily adapted for use by motorists aswell as pedestrians.)     If you're not staying on Avila campus, you're probably sufficientlyadventurous to know how to find decent food in a strange city.  Be awarethat Saturday evening is when the group has a night out at a restaurant(often either KC Masterpiece or Jess & Jim's).  Let them know you want tobe part of the crowd that night!  And there may be other excursions onother nights... you'll hear about them if you keep your ears open.Transportation 101/A--Getting to Kansas   Many of you intend to fly to'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   Kansas City.  The airport youwill be arriving at is Kansas City International (MCI).  The airport hasthree arc-shaped terminals.  If you're meeting someone there, be sure thateveryone intends to go to the same terminal, or that everyone is catchingthe (free) shuttle to the same car rental agency.     You can pick up a city map at one of the airport magazine stands.  TheGousha map has Avila College marked (grid location I-19).  If you have the(1998) AAA map, you'll find Avila College at grid location AX-24.  If youdon't have a map, better pay close attention:     If you drew a map of Kansas City on a 8x11 sheet of paper, the airportwould be in the upper left corner, to the northwest.  Avila College wouldbe near the bottom of the piece of paper, near the center.  Point taken?     The distance between Avila College and the international airport isnot small.  It's perhaps 45 miles by the recommended route (below), soallow an hour's travel time at a bare minimum.  What with collecting yourluggage and arranging/co-ordinating ground transportation, it's probablysafer to assume it will take you two hours to get from the airport toAvila, starting from the time the plane's landing gear touches the tarmacand stopping when you sling your suitcase onto the dorm bed.     If you need more information on the Kansas City International Airport,you can check out their World Wide Web page: http://www.kcairports.org.Transportation 101/B--Getting to Avila   Since the distance from the''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   airport to Avila College is 28miles as the crow flies, and about 45 miles by car, you don't even want tothink about taking a taxi.  You'd pay $35 minimum, possibly as much as $60.For a one-way trip.     If you book ahead, you can get one of the airport transportationservices to take you to Avila College at a more reasonable rate.  In thepast, I've recommended Quicksilver, but they seem to have disappeared twoyears back, in 1997. (Last year, some people within the United States wereable to get through to them, but not me.)  So this year I'm afraid your abit more on your own than I'd like to leave you.     Here are some numbers for limousine services.  I HAVEN'T TRIED ANY OFTHEM.  (You have no idea how much it hurts to have to say that.)  I don'tknow how much any of them charge--they may even be more expensive thantaxis.     Airport Transportation Cab Service 816-421-7000     Arya Airport Transportation        816-531-1001     KCI Shuttle                        816-243-5000     La Plant Airport Transporation     816-421-7611     Usually, you _must_ book these limo services in advance; theygenerally need at least one's day's notice.  IF YOU DON'T MAKE ARESERVATION, THEY CAN'T TAKE YOU.  Don't think you can call them once youarrive at the airport--you can't.     (If you want to research possible other numbers, try pointing your webbrowser to http://www.kcairports.org/kci/limos.htm but be warned that thispage is out of date, since it still lists Quicksilver.  You could also tryhttp://www.thetrip.com/ride/MCI/ but again be warned that I can't vouch foranything listed there.  Sorry, folks.)     If you don't want to rent a car, you could also take the AirportExpress van to the Overland Park Marriott hotel and take a cab from there.     (Those of you renting cars at the airport:  we'll discuss the routeshortly, in the ARRIVAL section.)PREPARING FOR THE TRIP   Get plenty of sleep before you go, because you're""""""""""""""""""""""   not likely to get much sleep at KansasFest.KansasFest days are 18 hours long, unless they're 20 or 24 hours long.There's too much going on to waste time in sleep!     On the same note, make sure you don't schedule anything important(like operating heavy machinery) for the day after KansasFest--Monday, July26.  You'll have had so little sleep that you won't feel your best.Packing--Computer Stuff   Lots of people bring computers.  If you're doing'''''''''''''''''''''''   this, make a backup of your hard drive and leavethe backup at home.  If you won't feel safe unless you take a backup withyou, make two backups.     If you're bringing a hard drive and you're travelling by plane, youmay want to consider packing the hard drive in your carry-on luggage.  Thatway, you can extract the hard drive from the luggage before it gets X-rayed(!).  Tell the attendant that what you are carrying in your hand is a harddrive for a computer, and that it might be damaged by the X-ray machine.Chances are they'll handle it differently.  If they tell you that no damagecould possibly be caused, don't believe them.  (You may have to obey them,but don't believe them.)  Try insisting--politely!--on special handlinganyway.  Incidentally, X-rays are not good for diskettes either.     Bring plenty of extension cords, power bars, and surge suppressors,plus a phone cord if you bring your modem, or a properly configuredEthernet cable if you'll be using a Macintosh or WinTel box.  (For Ethernetcable details, see Ryan Suenaga's KFest FAQ, available athttp://www.kfest.org/kfestfaq.html.)  Bring plenty of blank disks.  Bringanything you'd like to show off, either software or hardware.Packing--Other Stuff   A word about clothing:  KansasFest is "dress''''''''''''''''''''   casual", and Kansas City in July is hot and humid,so light clothing would be a good idea.  If you're bringing anything thatyou want to hang in the closet, bring your own hangers.     You should pack a bathrobe or something you don't mind walking thehalls in when you rise in the morning.  The dorms will be housing bothsexes, and there are no private bathrooms.     Towels are supplied, but you can pack an extra one if you feel soinclined.  Be sure to bring all the usual toiletries:  soap, shampoo,toothbrush, and all the etceteras.     There are modular phone jacks in all the dorm rooms, but phones arenot provided, so pack a phone, if only for local calls (which are free).If you know who your roommate is, you can assure her or him that you'rebringing the phone and save her or him the trouble.     If you're serious about making the morning sessions, an alarm clock isa good idea.  If you're _really_ serious about attending morning sessions,ear plugs--for the night before--couldn't hurt either. <grin>     Unless you're a private soul, some sort of sign for your door is agood idea, so that people can find you.  Many people take the trouble tomake these before they leave.     Don't forget your airline tickets and other travel documents, if any,but don't pack them in your checked luggage.  Also don't forget a quarter(and possibly a dime too) for a phone call.ARRIVING""""""""Getting from the Airport to Avila   If you've arranged with an'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   airport transportation service to pickyou up at the airport, as you leave the "gate", look for someone holding upa sign with your name on it.  (The sign will probably also have the name ofthe service written on it.)     Of course, these "airport limos" have been known to get busy atKansasFest time.  If no one is there looking for you, start by looking forthem.  Their people are usually easy to spot.  If there's no one from theairport transportation service in the terminal, don't panic.  Just callthem--it'll be a local call from the airport.  (You did remember the moneyfor a phone call, didn't you?)     Remember that you usally _cannot_ ride with an "airport limo" serviceunless you have made a reservation in advance.Driving from the Airport to Avila   If you're renting a car, start looking'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   for the desk of the rental agencyyou're dealing with.  (If you have to go to another terminal, remember thatthere are shuttle buses among the three terminals.)     Once you've got your car, exit through the airport's main gate(Cookingham Drive) onto Interstate 29 heading south.  At highway 152, exitwest.  Follow 152 west to I-435.  Take I-435 south and follow it arounduntil it reaches Wornall Road from the west.  Take the Wornall Road exit.Then turn in at Avila College (which is a left turn off Wornall if youapproach it from I-435).  Check our handy Avila map below for where topark.  The best place is probably the lot near the dormitories.After Hours Arrival   It's Wednesday night, and it's dark already.'''''''''''''''''''   The airport limo has just dropped you off... oryou've just parked the rental car.  You're tired after the long drive fromthe airport.  You've never been to Avila College before.  Now what do youdo?     Well, if you know beforehand that you're going to arrive after hours,you should contact Cindy Adams so that she can let the Avila staff knowabout late arrivals.  Suppose, however, that you've arrived late byaccident--your flights was delayed, or your car had a flat?  What do you donow?     It's easy.  The campus at Avila is small, and there are only threebuilding that KFesters need to explore:     I.  Whitfield Conference Center:  This is where most of the actualconference sessions take place.  It's sufficiently small that you'd have totry really hard to get lost here.  If you walk the path to Whitfield fromone of the other buildings listed below, go down the stairs as soon as youget inside the door.  If you enter Whitfield from the roadway, you're atthe main conference entrance, so don't worry.     II.  Marian Center:  This is where the cafeteria is.  Unless you'rebooked into a nearby hotel, this is where you come to eat.  This is alsowhere the celebrity roast is traditionally held.  Yes, you're allowed toattend the roast even if you're staying at a hotel.     III.  Ridgway Dormitory:  This is where you sleep, at least in theory.Even hotel-dwellers need to know about the dorms, since you'll spend a lotof your evenings hanging out here.     Look at the map of the campus below and get your bearings:                           AVILA COLLEGE CAMPUS              *                        ___________           *             *          ##########    |           |           *            *           ##########  ...           |            *           *            ##########  . |___________|             *          *                         .      .           ########***         *                 ______   .      .........   ########   *        *                 |      |  .           ___.____           *       *                  |      |  .          |        |           *      *                   |______|  .          | Marian |            *     *                              .          | center |             *    *       ______                  .          |________|              *****       |      |                 .              .                    *    *      |      |                 .              ..............        *     *     |      |                 .              .        ____._____  ##      *    |______| ................................       |          | ##       *            .         _____            .           |Carondelet| ##        *   ________.__      |     |           .           |   dorm   | ##  ___   *  |           |     |     |           .           |__________| ## |   |  * [| Whitfield |     |     |       ____._____                   ## |   | #*#[|  center   |     |_____|      |          |    ################ |   | #*# |___________|                  | Ridgway  |    ################ |___| #*#                                |   dorm   |    ################       #*#                                |__________|        *        *                               ... = pathway                               *** = roadway                               ### = parking                         [ = main entrance (Whitfield)     A good place to start may be Marian Center, since dinner and thekeynote address are taking place there on Wednesday night.  If it's lateWednesday night, forget about registering for the _conference_.  Check-inended at 4 PM.  Concentrate on registering for your _room_, so at leastyou'll have a place to sleep tonight.     If it's extremely late at night, the front doors of the dorms may beshut.  Look for a buzzer that will rouse a member of the staff.     The best thing to do is to read the instructions in your preliminaryinformation packet, but if they don't produce satisfactory results, wanderabout one or both of the dorms until you find someone who'll take pity onyour and let you collapse onto a bed.  You'll get a room assignment and aroom key.  (You may even get a sheet of paper that tells you who you'vebeen billeted with and how to register for the conference on the followingmorning.)  However, don't collapse the minute you see your room key.  Thelowest number it will have on it is 401.  That does _not_ mean you're onthe fourth floor.  (Particularly as Ridgway has only three floors.)  Ifyour room number begins with 4, it means you're on the first floor (or"ground floor" to most Europeans).  Similar deal for the second and thirdfloors.  If your room number doesn't begin with 4, 5, or 6, it means youaren't staying at Ridgway--you're probably staying at Carondelet.     If wandering around the dorms doesn't produce any results, try MarianCenter.  If you still can't find anyone, wander down toward Whitfield.     Arriving after hours means you get to check in to your room.  Youstill must register for the conference in the morning.  We'll cover that inthe "Business Hours Arrival" section.  For now, what about your room?Your Room   Rooms at the Avila College dorms each have two beds.  If your'''''''''   roommate is there, smile and introduce yourself.  If yourroommate isn't there, don't be alarmed.  Your roommate may not have arrivedyet, in which case you get to grab the best bed.  (I'm joking.  Neither bedwill be any less loathsome than the other.)  Probably your roommate hasalready arrived, grabbed the best bed, and is out visiting others.     Near the beds is a long institutional-looking unit with two closets,two sets of drawers, and assorted storage space.  The opposite side of thisunit is a desk long enough for two people to work at.  There's plenty ofroom for two computers on this desk, but there's just one outlet percomputer.  If you don't have a power bar or a Kensington System Saver or anAE Conserver, you're going to be limited to plugging in the computer andthe monitor--no hard drive, no modem, nothing else.  (Those of you withinternal hard drives can stop being smug right now.)     Near the desk are two outlets that seem to be phone jacks.  They_aren't_ phone jacks--they're Ethernet ports (RJ-45 connectors to a 10Base-T connection, for the technically-oriented).  The phone jack is on theother side of the room, by the beds.  If you didn't bring plenty of phoneextension cord, you'll have to set up your computer at the foot of yourbed.  (Don't laugh.  It's happened.)  Don't waste time looking for thephone; they aren't supplied, which is why you had to bring one in yoursuitcase.  To find out the phone number of your room (so that people cancall you), ask one of the Avila staff.  If you didn't bring a phone, youcan still use one of the pay phones in the hallways.     When dialing out from your dorm room, either with a phone or a modem,you'll need to prefix the number with a 9 to get an outside line.  Ifyou're using a modem, you may be able to use its "wait for dialtone"feature before you dial the number.  So the proper sequence would be:          ATDT9w4741778     If your modem doesn't support "wait for dialtone", try using a fewcommas (,) to create a pause:          ATDT9,,4725178     You may also need to set your software up so it waits about 45 secondsfor a connect instead of the standard 30 seconds, because it takes a bitlonger to get through to the number you're dialing.     (There's information about dialing Delphi later in this article.)     Of course, if you've brought a Macintosh or WinTel box, you may beable to use the Ethernet connection instead of the phone line.  There areseveral gotchas here.  Check out Ryan Suenaga's KFest FAQ (in last month'sissue) for more information.     The only real luxury that the rooms boast is air-conditioning.  Noprivate baths here, but you'll find bathrooms just down the corridor apiece.  The one I frequented had one bathtub, two showers, three toilets,four sinks (one with an attachment for washing hair), and assorted mirrors.Every floor also seems to have a TV lounge and a small kitchen.Business Hours Arrival   If you arrive at Avila between 9 AM and 5 PM''''''''''''''''''''''   (preferably between 1 PM and 4 PM Wednesday!), youcan register for the conference and your room (if applicable) at the sametime.  Check your pre-conference packet for information on where toregister.  It will be somewhere in one of the four buildings mentionedabove, of course.     One note of warning:  if you've been told to register somewhere--say,the cafeteria at Marian center--and no one has shown up fifteen minutesafter the listed start time, then by all means check the dorms andWhitfield center to see if registration has been moved there.  It'sunlikely you'll have to worry about something like this, but it doesn'thurt to be prepared.ONCE YOU'RE THERE"""""""""""""""""Curricular Events   Originally, KansasFest was a conference for Apple II'''''''''''''''''   developers--people who wanted to create software andhardware for others to use.  Nowadays it's for users, too.  Don't worrythat you don't belong there--you do and you're welcome, whether you've cometo party or come to learn.     The sessions--no one dignifies them with the name "seminars"--aremostly held at the Whitfield conference center.  The main conference roomis right inside the main doors (the doors closest to Wornall Road).  If youdon't know how to get to the session you want to attend, come here.  Itwill either be in this room or someone in this room will know where theright room is.     There's a social aspect to this part of the occasion as well.  You'llsee plenty of schmoozing in Whitfield lobby, right outside the mainconference room.  Expect cameras, both still and video, and demented peopleoperating them.  Cameras are used to record the presentations, or peoplemeeting, or the general craziness that's going on!     "Formal" sessions have been known to take place in the dorms as well._Informal_ sessions have definitely been known to take place in the dorms!     On the Saturday of KansasFest, there's a demonstration of new andupcoming products and a vendors' fair.  The fair is a chance to pick uphardware and software at special KFest prices, and to see and buy softwarenever before released.Semi-curricular Events   While not officially part of the proceedings, some''''''''''''''''''''''   products _may_ be released at KansasFest.  (Isometimes think Apple II programmers would never ever ship if it weren'tfor KansasFest and Christmas.)  This year, I haven't heard anyannouncements, so you'll have to attend to find out what's up-and-coming.     Even if nothing gets released, you're practically guaranteed someproduct previews.  At this point, in previous years, I've made a few wildguesses at what you might see.  Sadly, this year I've been so busy (workingfull-time at last) that I haven't been in a position to hear any rumors.Extra-curricular Events   It is perfectly possible to attend KansasFest,'''''''''''''''''''''''   attend the sessions 9-5, and go back home.  Butwhy would you want to?     One reason you might want to is that you're shy.  You're shy at anygathering, but you can't imagine conversing with Tony Ward, MikeWesterfield, Joe Kohn, Max Jones, Tony Diaz, Geoff Weiss, or Ewen Wannop!There's no reason to be shy.  Do what Dean Esmay did at his firstKansasFest:  walk around introducing yourself.  To everyone.  You'll meetlots of people just as awestruck as you are, and you can swap tips,stories, recommendations, and lies.  Don't be intimidated by meetingwell-known Apple II figures.  Heck, we're all "just folks".     Don't let yourself leave KansasFest without having mingled.  Wanderaround the dorms.  If there's one person sitting at a computer, just say"hi".  You're intelligent enough to know how to figure out if the person ishard at work or at home to callers.  If there are a bunch of people--whichis far more likely, particularly during the evening--you might be shy aboutjoining the group.  Don't be.  Just announce your presence ("Hi, everybody!Room for one more?").  You'll be surprised how welcome the group will makeyou feel.  Whatever the group is doing, it's probably in "kibitz mode", sojoin in!     What will the group be doing?  Hard to say.  They might be:     o  trying out software that hasn't been released yet;     o  trying to get a piece of software to crash;     o  trying to get it to stop crashing (i.e. debugging it);     o  sending a group message to Delphi or Genie;     o  playing a game;     o  fixing hardware;     o  reminiscing about previous KansasFests; or     o  telling stories about the heyday of the Apple II.     There's a chance that the group will be "multi-tasking"--that is,doing more than one of these things at the same time.     There are other extra-curricular events that have almost become KFesttraditions:  Nerf(TM) warfare and a game called Bite the Bag, whichinvolves a paper bag and a sense of balance.  But what about the "real"traditions?Tradition I:  Celebrity Roast   If the term "celebrity roast" is new to'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   you, rest assured that it's not dangerous,not even to the celebrity.  Open flame is not involved, exceptmetaphorically.  A roast is simply an event where members of a panel giveshort speeches which "honor" the celebrity guest by dishing outgood-natured insults and back-handed compliments:  "Ewen Wannop is atalented guy, but his opinion of himself can make it hard to reason withhim.  For instance, last night it took me six solid hours to persuade himto stop walking on the water."  (Except that most of the jokes will befunnier than that.)  Ideally, the person being "roasted" is the keynotespeaker from the previous KFest, but this isn't always possible.  Thisyear, the celebrity being roasted is Ewen Wannop, author of Spectrumtelecommunications software for the Apple IIgs.     This event is catered and held in the Avila cafeteria in the Mariancenter.  It's open to all KansasFest attendees, not just those staying oncampus.Tradition II:  Calling Delphi   The link between KansasFest and Delphi is a'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''   relatively new one, but as people alwaysmanaged to find time to post early reports on Genie in years past, peoplealso will find time to do the same on Delphi--it's the service with thehottest connection to KansasFest.     Here are the SprintNet numbers, through which you can access bothGenie and Delphi:            300/ 1200       816-221-9900           2400             816-472-1430           9600/14400       816-421-5783     To sign on to Delphi using SprintNet:          1.  Dial the local SprintNet number.          2.  Wait to be connected.               o  If your modem is 300 or 1200 baud, press Return, then                  press D, then Return again.               o  If your modem is 2400 baud or faster, type @D, then press                  Return.          3.  When TERMINAL= appears, press Return.          4.  Wait for @ to appear, then type C DELPHI and press Return.     Don't worry about long-distance charges within the city.  The greatermetropolitan area of Kansas City is in two states with two area codes (816for Missouri and 913 for Kansas).  However, nearly all calls within theKansas City metropolitan area are local.     Remember that you need to prefix the number with a 9 (to get anoutside line) and either a "wait for dialtone" command (w) or "pause"command (,) before you dial the number.          ATDT9w472-5178 or ATDT9,,472-5178Tradition III:  Dining Out   It's traditional at KFest to take at least one""""""""""""""""""""""""""   meal at one of two restaurants (or both!)--KCMasterpiece and Jess & Jim's.     This is guaranteed to happen on Saturday night--it's scheduled; it'sin the programme.  But it may happen on other nights too.  If you hang outin the dorm rooms, you're bound to hear of groups heading off to "dineposh".  Ask to be counted in... and tell me what happens, all the gorydetails.  The thought of breaking bread with some of these people intriguesme.A TYPICAL DAY   A KansasFest day doesn't begin when you might it expect it"""""""""""""   to.  It begins right after supper.  The pressing questionof something to eat over with, you take the aperitif of your choice--Jolt!cola, Dr Pepper, or Mountain Dew--and wander around the dorms to see who'sdoing what.  Some people will be staying up until _very_ late.  The reasonfor this is that program bugs stay hidden until at least 2 AM, and thereally obscure ones wait until 5 AM.     When morning comes, you may or may not have gotten any sleep.  If youhave, chances are that you didn't get much of it.  The cafeteria staff stopserving breakfast at 8:30, but you may decide that sleep is more importantthan food.  In fact, you may decide that sleep is more important than beingat the first session.  Or the first two sessions.  Or world peace.     Eventually you get out of bed and dither over which of thesimultaneous sessions you want to attend.  You can bring paper or acomputer to take notes, if you wish--no one will laugh or point.  No onewill frown if you don't take notes, either.     All sessions will run over their allotted time.  This is an immutablerule.  The domino theory rapidly comes into play here, which wreaks merryhavoc with the schedule.     After the morning sessions, there's an hour to get some lunch at thecafeteria at Marian center.  No one takes attendance here, either.     During lunch, the stragglers begin to arrive, and afternoon sessionsmay be more generously attended and received, since pretty much everyone isnow awake and reasonably certain that life is worth living.  The afternoonsessions will officially end at 5:00 or 5:30, but they may last a whilelonger, since no one else is waiting to use the room.  It's possible to getso involved in the final session for the day that you miss the evening mealat the cafeteria.     Or perhaps you've decided to give the cafeteria a miss.  Someone mightbe headed to a restaurant for a meal--ask around.  After you've eaten,well... the cycle begins all over.LEAVING   Avila College hosts events other than KansasFest--in fact,"""""""   Avila's summers are tightly booked.  In previous years, bothRidgway and Carondelet dorms have been available to KFesters, but in recentyeas the organizing committee could only get one.  That should give yousome idea of how hectic things are.     Because Avila is playing host to others after KansasFest is over, besure to check out on time.  This year, you have the option of staying overon Saturday night and checking out on Sunday, but don't push it.  Check-outtime is 11 AM-1 PM Sunday.  Avila wants you out of there by 1 PM on Sundayat the _latest_!     Incidentally, if you're travelling with Quicksilver or another similaroutfit, don't forget that you must have booked your return trip to theairport at least 24 hours in advance.  Since most people leave at much thesame time, it may be possible to cadge a lift to the airport if you've madefriends with someone heading that way.     This is far from the end.  In fact, it's not even the beginning.  Ifyou've been reading this, it's undoubtedly to prepare for KansasFest, whichmeans it's all still to come!  So have a great time at KansasFest--and ifyou spot the man who began it all, Tom Weishaar (a/k/a "Uncle DOS"), givehim my warmest regards.         :: DISCUSSED ON DELPHI ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         :                                                       :         :  I have a rock garden. Last week, three of them died. :         :                                                       :         ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LUMITECH ::::::[EOA][INN]------------------------------                     EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp!   The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month in"""""""""""""""   the Database of the II Scribe Forum on the Delphi onlineservice (GO CUS 11).This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computersusing Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes.  Apple II Forever!     * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 1999 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W.  All       rights reserved.     * To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to       thelamp@sheppyware.net     * Back issues of The Lamp! are available in the II Scribe Forum on       Delphi as well as The Lamp! 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