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An Onipa'a Software Production       Vol. 1, No. 9 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher & Editor.......................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Internet Email........................................thelamp@delphi.com ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                             TABLE OF CONTENTS                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                            September 15, 1998OPENING PITCH     I Can't Get No ------------------------------------------------- [OPN]A FUNNY THING HAPPENED                                                [FOR]     The Heat Is On ------------------------------------------------- [HET]     Miscellanea                                                      [MSC]     Rumor Mill ----------------------------------------------------- [RMR]     Public Postings                                                  [PUB]     Best Of The Best ----------------------------------------------- [BOB]A2Pro_DUCTIVITY     Checking out A2PRO on Delphi ----------------------------------- [A2P]WEB SLINGING 101     Halfway There: Uploading to Delphi via FTP --------------------- [WEB]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].         :: DISCUSSED ON DELPHI ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         :                                                       :         :    Do files get embarrassed when they are unzipped?   :         :                                                       :         :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LUMITECH :::::::[EOA][OPN]------------------------------                     OPENING PITCH |-----------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                    [thelamp@delphi.com]                              I CAN'T GET NO                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     It's been about two months since I was spending some idle timebrowsing the World Wide Web, and used an Internet search engine to searchon my email address.  I was distressed to discover that an Apple II usergroup had posted issues of _The Lamp!_ on their World Wide Web site withoutmy permission.     To make matters worse, parts of the publication were missing,apparently due to the issue being downloaded in a less than optimal wayfrom _The Lamp!_ World Wide Web page, but ironically, what was not missingfrom the issues was the copyright notice.  A couple of email messages laterthe issues were removed, but the damage was done.     As far as I know, the phrase, "The only thing this job pays issatisfaction," was originated by my predecessor on _GenieLamp A2_, DougCuff, and the song is still the same.  As much as I'd like otherwise, theApple II is a hobby, and as much time as I put into it, it doesn't pay thebills (although counting everything I make from writing for otherpublications a year, it might pay one bill--my yearly $35 Delphisubscription).  I counted the hours it took to create _GenieLamp A2_ everymonth last year, and it averaged out to 30 hours each month.  That's 30hours I could spend at a part time job to pay the rent or on the weightbench working on my bad right shoulder.  Thirty hours is a worthwhile priceto pay for a job well done, no question, and most months it's hours wellspent.     But not that one.     So, in what we used to call "group punishment" back in the days when Iworked at the youth shelter, I delayed updating the official home page of_The Lamp!_ for awhile.  The user who started the fire by distributing _TheLamp!_ got it from there, so I took away the matches, and I announced inthe _II Scribe_ Forum on Delphi that I'd delay placing issues there.     Interestingly, the only mail I received about _The Lamp!_ in that timewere people asking why the archive on the World Wide Web wasn't updated,and after my standard reply, I received only one backhanded positivecomment about the work put into the publication.     After cooling down a bit, I've placed the back issues of _The Lamp!_back up on the Web page, and in fact I've licensed another site on the Webto handle back issues: the trenco.gno.org ftp site.  This doesn't mean I'vegotten paid yet, just that I've decided that it's been a fitting punishmentfor the crime.     I can't think of another way to say this, so here it is: if peoplecontinue to abuse the distribution restriction placed on this publication,it'll become more strict, and that'll be that.  Period.                                [*] [*] [*]     And Now For Something We Hope You'll Really Like Department: Realizingthat editorial was a bummer, I've decided I'll try to shine a little lighton the dark A2 universe--even post KansasFest, the A2 and A2Pro Forums onDelphi keep pumping out new information, and our Apple II programmers keepputting out new programs.  I can't recall a time in the last three yearswhen we've seen so many new products as we have these past two months.  Andwe are still anxiously awaiting the essential IIgs tool in the age of the'Net, _Marinetti 2.0_.     After all, it's tough to catch fish without a 'Net.     See you in thirty.Ryanthelamp@delphi.comASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA][OPN]------------------------------     A FUNNY THING HAPPENED. . . . |-----------------------------------Checking out A2 on Delphi"""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                    [thelamp@delphi.com]       * The Heat Is On              * Miscellanea                     * Rumor Mill                            * Public Postings                                        * Best Of The Best                              THE HEAT IS ON                              """"""""""""""     [*] General Chatter            ....... Emulation And Copyrights     [*] The Apple II Legacy        ....... Bussing In KFest From Canada?     [*] Hardware Hacker            ....... Risk/Reward with ZipGSX Hop Ups     [*] User Groups & Publications ....... NiftySpell Vs. Big Mac?     [*] Vendors & Tech Support     ....... Babelfish Bugs?                                MISCELLANEA                                """""""""""APPLE COPYRIGHT IN THE ERA OF EMULATION   True. However, Apple is no longer"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   making money off the Apple IIline. Or are they? Some people are buying Macs instead of WinTel machinesso they can run Bernie and keep using their Apple II software. So Apple isactually =making= money (if only a little bit) because Bernie is available.Legally, I'm sure Apple could go after people for creating ROM images foremulators. Realistically, why would they? Nobody is being hurt and nobodyis losing money because of Bernie and other emulators. Well, except forthose few lost WinTel sales...The only real sticking point is making those ROM images available publicly.There's still not going to be anybody hurt or losing money because of it,unless someone =sells= them. Try that and you'd have Apple lawyers on yourback pretty fast I imagine. ----------------------------------------------------- Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager [Delivered with Spectrum 2.1 and Crock O' Gold 2.5] -- "Whatever it is, I'm against it!"  -- Groucho Marx                        (TONYW1, 15322, GO COM A2)>>>>>   and if anyone recalls my comments on Apple IIgs Basic, this is"""""   along the same bullish tactics that Micro$oft used on Apple, or itwould have yanked the AppleSoft license altogether.Apple had a version of BASIC developed for the Mac, M$ wanted to marketMicrosoft BASIC for the Mac, .. so they put an ultimatum on the table:Sell us Mac BASIC for $1, or you lose Applesoft. This being 1985, and wouldnot be a good thing, being that the Apple II was still the cash cow.Apple, BASIC and Microsoft have been a touchy subject ever since.A comprehensive 3rd party book had been published and marketed forMacintosh BASIC, and was available in stores while all this was going on..microsoft. {s hurl}Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 15393, GO COM A2)IIGS SERIAL SUPPORT VS. THE TURBO ASB   In practical terms, the 57600 bps"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   serial port is speedy enough formost tasks. Think about the types of files you download. Most likely theyare already compressed (SHK/BXY, ZIP, GIF, JPG, etc.) These types of fileswould not benefit much from the extra speed of the Turbo ASB. If, however,you download a lot of highly compressible files (text/html, sounds, etc.)that's where the Turbo ASB comes in handy.Remember that you can only exceed the speed of your port by usingcompression. In other words, a 57600 port will be able to keep up with a56K modem but it won't be able to take advantage of compression. Sincecompression can theoretically be as good as 4:1, that's where the 230,400bps port can come in handy, theoretically. In practice, 115,200 bps isalmost always sufficient.Keep in mind that the high speeds achievable by the Turbo ASB, namely115,200 bps (230,400 bps seems to be too fast even for my 8MHz Zip),practically require an accelerator and a shift boot. ----------------------------------------------------- Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager [Delivered with Spectrum 2.1 and Crock O' Gold 2.5] -- Guns don't kill.  Fast-moving projectiles do.                        (TONYW1, 15649, GO COM A2)BABELFISH BUGS? PART 1   I downloaded Babelfish from Ewen's Web page last""""""""""""""""""""""   night.  The few conversions I have tried with theNDA worked great!  I converted a document on goat care to HTML.  Have totake it to my Windows machine and open it with Netscape to see how it willlook.  I was really just playing, though.One problem I have had with Babelfish:  In _some_ applications, I get an'Error $5302' message when I try to access the Convert File NDA thatsuggests that Babelfish is not properly installed.  I walked thru my harddrive trying programs, and came up with the following:Babelfish configuration error:JumpStart   AWGS   BeagleDraw   MiniPaint   Paintworks Gold   TimeMasterConvert NDA Opens successfully:Finder   SnowTerm   GWIII   PMPFaxApp   HyperCard   GSHK   UniverseMasterUtilityWorks   DigitalSession  rSounder3   WriteAway2.1  ICE   WWProQuickClicCalc   SuperConvert4  discQuest   discQuest Encyclopedia  CD.RoamNote that all of the ones that give the error are pretty old programs,although some of the ones that don't give the error are older ones too. - Don (IronTooth)Delivered by my ANSITerm off-line reader scripts...                         They're OLRight!                       (DZAHNISER, 14730, GO COM A2)>>>>>   My first guess is that those older programs aren't starting up a"""""   toolset that Convert File assumes is always available (possiblyResource Manager -- I don't think the Resource Manager existed yet when anyof those applications were written, although AWGS was last updated just asSystem 5 shipped, I don't think it uses the RM).Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 14732, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Why not just view it in SIS to see what you have got?"""""> One problem I have had with Babelfish: In _some_ applications, I get an>  'Error $5302' message when I try to access the Convert File NDA that> suggests that Babelfish is not properly installed.Thanks for the bug report, it has gone on the 'to do' pile. As it turns outthat the 'SFUtility' Init is not needed, try removing that and see if itfixes the problem. Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 14743, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Well, because I have neither SIS nor Spectrum (although they both"""""   are on the wish list). >  As it turns out that the 'SFUtility' Init is not needed, try removing >  that and see if it fixes the problem.I inactivated SFUtility, and still have the same symptoms.BTW - What function does SFUtility serve? - Don (IronTooth)Delivered by my ANSITerm off-line reader scripts...                         They're OLRight!                       (DZAHNISER, 14757, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I checked this out too, and SFUtility is not the cause of the"""""   problem. But it is only the Convert File NDA that is affected bythe older applications. The Babelfish Init itself is called by the NDA andany application that knows about Babelfish directly. For the meantime,until I can make a fix, just make your conversions at the Finder level.When I get some time, I will try and determine what the problem is withthese older programs.SFUtility was intended to handle some of the disk switching in theSFDialogs. The functionality was added to later versions of Babelfish. Ionly bug fixed Babelfish, and so missed the item buried deep in the versionnotes that said SFUtility was no longer needed. Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 14779, GO COM A2)BABELFISH BUGS? PART 2   There hasn't been much discussion of Babelfish""""""""""""""""""""""   here. I've found what I think is a bug, but,before I get to that I want to thank Ewen, Richard Bennett, Ian Brumby,Dave Hecker, and the other 7 Hillsers for this amazing utility. Thepotential for it is almost unlimited, and I'm looking forward to thedevelopers' kit being made available. That said, there's a problem with theHyperStudio Sound translator, both in importing and exporting sounds.Importing: it chokes on any of the sounds in HyperStudio's "HS.Sounds"folder with the message "File Translation Error: Bad file format or wrongtranslator used. ($8002)". Exporting: Sound Shop (from HyperStudio)complains that it doesn't recognize HS sounds created by Babelfish,although it will load and play them if you insist. Sound Wizard (fromSoftDisk GS) loads and plays them without complaint. AudioZap 2.0 loadedone but all it would play is a click.                        (GARETH, 15053, GO COM A2)>>>>>   The developer's kit consists of two '.pdf' files and is available"""""   now on request from myself or SevenHills. You need to be able toreceive BinHex 4.0 attachments to receive the two files, and have anAcrobat '.pdf' reader to view them.Bill Tudor was the author of the HS sound translator, and is no longerdeveloping for the IIgs. The source files for this translator are in APW/Cformat. As I don't understand C, and I am unfamiliar with sound files, Ican't help with fixing the bugs.There are two options open to us here. Either a new Translator is writtenfrom scratch, or if a developer capable of handling C and sound formats iswilling to take on the project on behalf of Seven Hills, we could send themthe existing source code to fix.The first option only needs the '.pdf' files, the second option will need arequest to passed through to Seven Hills itself. In either case, get intouch with me in e-mail. Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 15070, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Ewen, send me those sources, and I'll attend to them."""""Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 15075, GO COM A2)SHIFTY LIST POWER USAGE   Perhaps the most seriously useful feature of"""""""""""""""""""""""   Shifty List 2.0 is being able to select a scriptat boot time either from a menu on screen or by pressing a key. Here aresome of my scripts and the keys that load them:i - Boot to Finder with IR and a few debugging aids only.s - Boot directly to Spectrum with known "good" system extras.p - Boot to Finder with minimal setup for PMPFax.o - Identical to my default (no key) boot, but launches the ORCA shell    instead of Wings (my preferred launcher.)n - (<n>o sound). Same as my default boot but without sounds and without    the sound control panel.I can choose any of these with a keypress at boot time, or I can press capslock and choose from these and others via on screen menu.Other 2.0 goodies include playing sounds and displaying pictures during theboot, launching different applications (as I do above), loading differentBattery RAM configurations, and lots more. ----------------------------------------------------- Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager [Delivered with Spectrum 2.1 and Crock O' Gold 2.5] -- Gravity: it's not just a good idea, it's the law!                        (TONYW1, 14778, GO COM A2)KFEST THANK YOU FROM THE SENIOR APPLE II TEENAGER   Thanks to All:"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""    But especially to Ewen, to my roommate, Russ Alman, to myhost-on-the-road Ron Merlin and to all the others that helped me in one wayor another---    Spectrum and C.O.G. are working perfectly, even in Oklahoma and withsprintnet!    I received my "new" and I mean NEW SQ135 disk drive from SyQuest on thenext day after I returned from KFest. This was a replacement and wascovered by the warrantee. At first my RamFast SCSI did not seem to want torecognize it and when I "fiddled" with the SCSI menu and got it to work, itwould work awhile, and then would fail to work.     Now, it seems to be working OK, especially if I leave my GS on all thetime, which is what I do most of the time anyway.     I appreciate all the consideration I received at KFest98. Sometimes Ifelt like an honored guest. CEW cewall    {Ephraim} Message delivered by Spectrum 2.1 and rushed to you by Crock O' Gold 2.5!                        (CEWALL, 14760, GO COM A2)CHOOSY IIGS FANATICS CHOOSE GIF   As far as the GS is concerned, a GIF file"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   is an 8-bit, ascii text file. The ".gif"suffix on the name is all that your gif viewer needs to know it's a gif. Ifit's unreadable, maybe you only have a 7-bit connection. Have you been ableto download any programs that work?  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech Via Crock O' Gold v2.5 cknoblo@novia.net                        (CKNOBLO, 14770, GO COM A2)>>>>>   As Carl has pointed out, GIF files are plain text files, and so"""""   there is no filetype on the IIgs to mark them. They usually do nothave any binary wrapper applied to tell Spectrum what kind of files theyshould be saved as, so they will be saved as Text.When you try to view them in your '.GIF' viewing program, what happens? Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 14781, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Actually, there was a GIF filetype assigned. But it was assigned"""""   after there were already GIF viewers for the GS that accepted TXTand BIN files (the two defaults for most Apple II telecom programs) so itnever caught on.Technically, GIFs are not text files. They can be saved as text files ifthat's how your telecom program is setup, or they can be saved as binaryfiles which is how I have my telecom programs setup.If the GIF filetype had caught on in the Apple II world, we would be in thesame boat as Macintosh users who wrap all their uploads, including GIFs, inMacBinary (although Mac users are getting better at this now <g>.) IMHO,we're better off the way we are. ----------------------------------------------------- Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager [Delivered with Spectrum 2.1 and Crock O' Gold 2.5] -- "To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." -- Woody Allen                        (TONYW1, 14813, GO COM A2)ZIP SWITCH CHEAT SHEET   Here are what the DIP switches control (with""""""""""""""""""""""   factory default settings in parentheses):SW1:====1     Cxxx/Dxxx Cache Disable (OFF)2     Joystick Delay (ON)3     AppleTalk Delay (OFF)4     Counter Delay (ON) -- Allows passing of IIgs self test.5     CPS Follow (ON)6     OFF/ON -- Disable/Enable Acceleration.7         |ON      |ON      |OFF      |OFF+     8KB |   16KB |   32KB |    64KB |8         |ON      |OFF     |ON       |OFFSW2:===1->7 Control the Speed of the corresponding IIgs slot.1    (FAST, ON)2    (NORMAL, OFF)3    (FAST, ON)4    (FAST, ON)5    (NORMAL, OFF)6    (NORMAL, OFF)7    (FAST, ON)8    Speaker Delay.Hope this helps.Paul.Paul Schultzschultp@delphi.comsent your way via Spectrum 2.1 and Crock O' Gold 2.5                        (SCHULTP, 14897, GO COM A2)THE FINAL WORD ON PROTERM VERSION NUMBERS   There seems to be some question"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   about ProTERM versions here.The current ProTERM versions are:  ProTERM A2 3.1                                   ProTERM Mac 1.2.5 AutoReply: Jerry Cline @ InTrec Software, Inc. - <jerry@intrec.com> ProTERM @ your service! The superior telnet and dialup application. Sent w/ProTERM Message Manager (PTMM) - Details @ <ptmm@intrec.com> Download ProTERM 1.2.5 & PTMM 2.5 (full versions): <www.intrec.com>                        (INTREC, 14927, GO COM A2)SWITCHING BETWEEN COLOR AND MONO ON THE FLY   The Color/Mono setting in the"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Display control panel on theIIGS is useful for Double Hi-Res software such as PublishIt! and SBPublisher (these programs seem to set it for you..but if you go in and setit to mono and then back to color you can see the icky Color DHR version ofthese desktop programs)Question...how does one set a mono display for Hi-Res ("Single" Hi-Res)software?  The GS control panel setting does not have an effect onHi-Res modes.  A good example is MousePaint, which is a decent paintprogram for hi-res mode.  Text and patterns often have the telltalegreen and purple characteristics.A simple P8 or Basic program to do this could be occasionally handy.Shawn                       (STBEATTIE, 14811, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I'm working from dim memory here, but I think I achieved this with"""""   Computer Keyboarding by poking the double hi res softswitch which ITHINK is 49246.With the GS, this only works if you also select monochrome from the controlpanel. Hopefully someone else's memory will be better than mine. Charlie Hartley ... via the ProTERM Message Manager (PTMM) v2.5                       (CKHARTLEY, 14816, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Charlie's memory is certainly in good shape."""""I usually add a:10 POKE 49246,0to the beginning of BASIC programs that use the single hi-res screen. Thiskills the color smearing that occurs on IIGS RGB monitors. I _think_ it canalso occur on IIGS mono composite monitors, although it's not colors thatsmear, but rather the image that blurs.I have also POKED this location prior to running (or modified the programs,I can't remember) some machine language programs that use the single hi-resscreen. It really makes a big difference.For a detailed explanation of all this, you may wish to read the IIGS TechNote #29, and also the February, 1988 issue of Open-Apple. The briefexplanation is that the Control Panel setting for monochrome only works fordouble-hires graphics. By poking 49246, you turn double-hires on, butassuming you set the control panel to mono and your program doesn't invoke80 column mode, everything 'works out'.<g>Hugh...                       (HUGHHOOD, 14895, GO COM A2)MOCKINGBIRD TIDBITS   Most software looks for the Mockingboard in slot 4."""""""""""""""""""   Few scan all slots for it. (The mouse card was not inexistence way back..)The IIgs may need to be at 1MHz for some software to find the card, and forthe card to work properly. Otherwise the computer may lock up or crash whenthe Mockingboard is accessed.Some images of various Apple II Sound Cards are available at:http://www.apple2.org/images/InterfaceCards/Sound.Music/There were several variations of Mockingboard made, I have one or two onthere now, in the next few weeks I plan on getting the cards out again andfilling in where I left off on some of the categories.Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 14969, GO COM A2)KFEST PICS ON DISPLAY IN MOSCOW   After annoying my school districts"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Technician for a week or so, I've finallygot my web server back, and online!You will now be able to view the pictures I took at KFest '98.  Odd... I'mnot in any of them!  B-{)The initial page has 52 thumbnailed GIFs and according to my timing, takesabout 2-3 mins. to load.  Clicking on a particular thumbnail will load thefull sized GIF.  It's not pretty in lynx, but Apple II users should stillbe able to grab and view everything.The URL is:http://moscow2.pld.com/kfest98/Kirk                       (KMITCHEL, 14955, GO COM A2)USING MAC CD ROMS FROM WITHIN BERNIE   What you need to do is mount the""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   disk on the Mac desktop (whichbasically only involves inserting the CD-ROM :), then go back to Bernie andshare the volume:- open File->Mount Disk...- in the standard Open File box, click the Desktop button to see alldevices that are online- highlight (not double-click) the CD-ROM volume- push the button "Mount <name of CD-ROM>"It is only possible to mount the first session of a CD-ROM.woof,Henrik                        (GUDATH, 15013, GO COM A2)>>>>>   This is true for Apples' CDROM drivers."""""I had to install FWB's CD-ROM Toolkit in order to access the otherpartitions on the "Golden Orchard CD-ROM" that I got from Joe Kohn atKFest.Unfortunately, it won't mount the Prodos partition, but was able to accessthe HFS partitions.To simplify matters, I copied each partition into a big disk image (6 Gigsis fun!), so they don't take up valuable disk slots in Bernie.                       (KMITCHEL, 15027, GO COM A2)APPLE II REUNION MAKES MSNBC   What a great read!""""""""""""""""""""""""""""John Romero's Apple II reunion party on MSNBChttp://www.msnbc.com/news/187499.asp- Matt                       (MPORTUNE, 15074, GO COM A2)GETTING ROGER'S ATTENTION   RWP is a rapidly growing company. Just like a"""""""""""""""""""""""""   person in a growth spurt, they are occasionallya bit clumsy. I think they simply stumbled a bit with your e-mail. In fact,when I've asked them where I should tell people to send e-mail, I've neverbeen told it should be sent to support@hyperstudio.com, which is where Iassume you sent it.Try e-mailing Dallas, their customer support head, atdallas@hyperstudio.com. Explain what you want, and ask him how you can getthe upgrade. Be sure and include your complete mailing address. Thesimplest response for him will be to drop a set of disks in the mail, somake it easy for him to help you.If that fails, let me know.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 15142, GO COM A2)IIGS TRIVIA   If you examine an ASCII dump of a GS' ROM, you'll see it has"""""""""""   a patent notice embedded in it.--Steve Reeves                       (REEVESST, 15315, GO COM A2)PROFILING THE PROFILE   You can run a ProFile on a GS. You need a certain"""""""""""""""""""""   ROM revision on the interface card, and a certainmodification to the card, in order to use it with GSOS. (I can retrievethat info if you need it, but I don't have it at hand.)The typically available ProFile is a 5 megger. The drives are more commonthan the cards (because they were fairly common on the Apple III, and thecards from the III won't fit a II or a IIgs). Both are pretty hard to find,and a ProFile drive without an interface card is not much more than adoorstop or a curio.You can only do a low level format on a ProFile with a Lisa (predecessor tothe Mac).ProFiles are very slow, and very noisy, and the power supplies, despite thefact that they are HUGE (by todays standards) are not terribly powerful.The ProFile manual specifically recommends that the drive not be turned offon a day to day basis.(Those are the tidbits I can remember off the top of my head.)Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 15216, GO COM A2)>>>>>   The controller card you'll want to find is labeled: Apple II"""""   Interface 820-5006-[]B. Another number on the card is 656-0203-D(or some other revision letter).Cards had BIOS support for 5 or 10 meg Profiles but I've been informed thatit's one or the other, the BIOS on the card determines what size drive itwill support and cannot be changed without swapping out the BIOS chip, i.e.a 10MB card won't work with a 5MB drive or vice versa. Bummer.                        (SFAHEY, 15223, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Two things on Profile cards:"""""The ROM and GS/OS,ProDOS 16, et al.Apple says you need to change the ROM. I have never changed the ROM. I havenever had a problem either, other than the thermometer does not work duringboot. So what, it doesn't work on the CMS card either, or most other olderhard disk controller cards.The ROM (BIOS? Blech. That's PC stuff.), dictates the size drive you canattach to it?I must say, that I have *NEVER*, *EVER* heard of that. Not ever in any ofthe service manuals I have ever read, tech notes, or even in using them.When did that start?Someone may be thinking the controller card on the drive itself, and Idon't mean the board on top of the power supply, but the one on the driveitself.Actually, there is one type of 5MB mechanism, but there are two types of10MB, one being the Seagate with Apple's controller on it, like the 5MB,the other is the Wigit drive. These are the 10MB drives used INTERNALLY onLisa 2/10 systems.Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 15306, GO COM A2)SIZING UP SPEED   I don't think I would be willing to pay so much for an"""""""""""""""   accelerator. I would however probably be willing to pay$200 - if it cost more I would just have to do without.Well, $40,000 = 100 x $400  OR  200 x $200 !If there were more of us, maybe it would cost the individual less - do youthink one could find so many takers? You could put my name on the list atleast.OTOH, maybe a Transwarp GS could not be produced and sold profitably forunder $400. An original Applied Engineering 1991 catalog lists this as theprice for a TWGS (32K cache). Do you know why a new production would costso much? Is there some sort of special microchip that would have to go intoproduction again?Giselle                      (GSCHNAUBELT, 15405, GO COM A2)>>>>>   You know, at this point an incredible accelerator for you GS is a"""""   Power Mac equipped with Bernie II the Rescue.Worth thinking about, anyway.  :) --- Dean Esmay  --  esmay@syndicomm.com                         (ESMAY, 15406, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Looking at the TWGS, there aren't any real custom parts, but the"""""   GALs would need to be programmed and they appear to be copyprotected, and the ROM would need to be copied.  There's also the copyrightissue, although I think Joachim over at //SHH Systeme resolved that withthe ROM issue.The ZipGSX has that custom part which can't be made without a substantialone time investment.So, if someone could get the code for the GALs and the ROM, the TWGS mightbe a better candidate to put back into production in terms of initial startup costs.  Whether or not it could be done in a profitable manner in asmall run is unknown.-Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. - rsuenaga@apple2.orgEditor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on DelphiDelivered via FFNSS alpha .5                       (RSUENAGA, 15408, GO COM A2)<<<<<   I suppose that the logical person to produce Transwarps would be"""""   Joachim Lange - anyone else able and willing? He offers are-designed version of the original TransWarp 32K cache piggyback board forupgrading 8K Transwarps and I know he has permission to do the necessaryfirmware upgrades of EPROM versions older than 1.7 or 1.8. I expect thatother copyright issues would be involved however, to do a whole TW boardand all the necessary firmware programming.I will try contacting him about this, as well as a realistic priceestimate.Giselle                      (GSCHNAUBELT, 15441, GO COM A2)THE NO SLOT CLOCK--AVAILABLE IN THE LATE 90'S   I believe the NSC can be"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   had for new by buying aDallas Semiconductor chip (unfortunately, I don't have the info handy atthe moment). There is software freely available which can set up this chip(I believe it is called something like Smartwatch.shk on some of the ftpsites). The chip can be purchased from either Jameco or JDR Microdevices(can't remember which catalog I saw it in).If I remember, I'll dig up the info when I get home and post here. I mayeven have the smartwatch software. If I do, I'll try to upload it here.Paul.                        (SCHULTP, 15587, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Here is the info for the 'No Slot Clock' and the SmartWatch"""""   software for setting the DS1216E. I'm going to try to upload theSmartWatch.bxy file tonight. Since I've never uploaded to delphi yet pleasebear with me. Hopefully, you'll see the software in a day or so :-)I believe that Alltech still sells the No Slot Clock but if I recall theprovided software isn't as good as what is provided with the SmartWatch.bxypackage.Paul.--------------------------------------------------------------------------The following is an excerpt taken from the INSTRUCTIONS file from withinthe SmartWatch.bxy archive:-   SWU.SYSTEM is a self-contained utility program that is used to startand set the date/time in an installed DS1216E.  This program does notrequire any particular version of ProDOS8 and does not use the ProDOS MLIcall 'GET_TIME'. This program makes direct call to the DS1216E usingselected address in the $C300 page.  This memory page was selected due toits constant availability in Apple //e's and Apple //c's.--------------------------------------------------------------------------Paul Schultzschultp@delphi.comsent your way via Spectrum 2.1 and Crock O' Gold 2.5                        (SCHULTP, 15612, GO COM A2)UDC CARDS AND 800K DRIVES   I used to have a generic Mac 800k drive (Chinon"""""""""""""""""""""""""   mech, I think) that had a manual eject buttonhooked up to a UDC card, and I was copying disks with Diversi-Copy.  I wasstunned to find that this most generic of Mac drives in combo with the UDCcard supported software eject!So, any software that normally ejects 3.5 disks ought to work fine with theUDC card and external drives, but you're generally out of luck for softwarethat doesn't do software ejects. . .-Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. - rsuenaga@apple2.orgEditor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on DelphiDelivered via FFNSS alpha .6                       (RSUENAGA, 15669, GO COM A2)HABANERO'S GS MISADVENTURES   As does the Apple IIGS. I was in the"""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Himalayas, oh about 15 years ago, justwalking around, minding my own business, picking wild flowers and feedingthe yaks when I decided to hike up into the snow country.I had struggled my way up to about 8,000 meters and was really tired due tothe thin air and the weight of my back pack. I couldn't take another stepso I decided to sit on a ledge of ice that was protruding from a rock.After about 20 minutes, I had finally regained my breath and noticed a colddraft that was tingling my spine. I turned around and saw a little hole inthe ice surrounding the rock. I pushed away some of the snow and chiseledaway some of the ice and realized that there was a cave underneath therock.I wanted to get a feel for how large the cave might be so I shouted'hallooo' into the opening.  There was a 6 second delay when the 'halloo'finally returned.Wow, I thought to myself, that cave must be at least 3 meters wide and 10meters deep.I looked to the left, looked to the right, looked uphill and downhill anddidn't see anyone for at least 20 kilometers in any direction, although ifI squinted I could make out 20 Hare Krishna's bothering a tent salesman fordonations way down the hill.  Well, since no one was nearby, I would take achance on exploring the cave myself.I pushed away all the snow and chiseled and hacked away enough of the iceso I could fit all 140 kilograms of myself into the cave.It was dark inside, but I could make out that I had vastly under estimatedthe size of the cave. I could see at LEAST 15 meters down the corridor!!!!As I walked forward and the light became too faint to see anymore I pulledthe Zippo from my back pack (no kids, I don't smoke, I carry the Zippobecause in certain small towns in the Himalayas it is considered rude tosay 'I don't smoke, you cancer infested lackey of the tobacco industry'when someone asks you for a light) and fired it up.In the distance, I could make out a large room, through the dim yet not toounpleasant glow of the flame from the Zippo.  When I called out 'Hey,dudes, what's happening!' to the group of faint figures against thefarthest wall, they jumped up and raced towards me, in a velocity I canonly describe as 'quick', yelling what appeared to be obscenities in alanguage that not only did I not understand, but found to be strangelyunfriendly.As I had, by now, determined that an equally quick disembarkation from thecave may be the best course of action, I turned and dove out the hole I hadmade at the surface.Once outside again in the fresh air and sunshine, I thought that I shouldnow go back down the mountain (at least out of the snow country) and eatsome lunch. As I took my first carefree steps towards my mid-day repast, Isuddenly heard some scowls and smelled the unpleasant odor of 'garlic,shrimp, truffles and tapioca' breath.The figures turned out to be yetis and apparently I must have offended themby calling them 'dudes' because they were still pursuing me even after myrenaissance from the bowels of their humble, yet conservatively furnishedin animal and human bones, abode.As I picked up my pace down the mountainside, they were gaining on me, andI had to do something quick.  I finally realized that the pack on my backwas slowing me down, (gee I left home in such a rush when I came to theHimalayas that I'm not even sure what I packed), so I stopped to see whatwas so heavy.D'oh!  I had inadvertently packed my IIGS including the monitor when Imeant to pack an extra pair of socks.Time was so short at this moment that I would never be able to repack theback pack in an orderly manner (tip from heloise: it is easier to findthings when you unpack if you pack them in an orderly and logical manner)so a bit of improvisation was required.I placed the monitor onto the system saver, then put that unit onto the cpubox, plugged in the keyboard and mouse, put the back pack over my shoulder,and proceeded to sit on top and pushed off with both feet.As I began speeding down the snow covered mountainside attempting stemchristies along the way, I was horrified to see that the yetis were stillgaining on me.What could I do?  What would MacGiver do?I recalled from an episode of Gilligan's Island that when the batteries onthe radio had gone dead, that the professor had them all sit around thetable and stir some cups of something with electrodes connected and thispowered the radio.Hmm, dang this old age, my memory had gotten so bad that I could not forthe life of me (and with the yetis gaining, this could be true!) rememberwhat the professor had put into the cups.  Scratch that idea anyway, if Ineeded a radio on a deserted island, then maybe that would be useful, butnot here.Batteries! That's the ticket. In my best MacGiver imitation, I pulled apaper clip from my knapsack and the batteries from my flashlight (hmm, whydid I use the Zippo in the cave when I had a flashlight?) and fashionedthese items into a 120 volt 60 hz ac power supply, soldered it to the powercord on the IIGS, booted up (thank God for the internal Focus Hard Card, Idon't think I would have had time to boot up from floppy disks!) held downthe open-apple and control keys and pressed escape.No, it didn't help me escape, but it did bring up the control panel programand I was able to select the Zip GS control. You see, I had disabled theZip GS when I was playing 'Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?'.  Atthis point, just nanoseconds before they grabbed me, I kicked the Zip intothe highest speed and WHOOSH!  I was off down the mountain! The design ofthe IIGS allowed me to float down the deep and heavy snow, just like thebest designed skis.To this day I thank my lucky stars that I spent the extra money for theZipGSX 10/64 instead of settling for the cheaper 7/16.Burp!                       (HABANERO, 15026, GO COM A2)<<<<<   All this talk about airplanes and sky diving reminds me of a trip I"""""   took on a Northwest Airlines Flight a while back.It was about 3 years ago. I was on my way to San Francisco from Detroit andwas running slightly late for the flight. As I rushed my 1977 ChryslerCordoba (yes, the one with the Corinthian Leather) into the parking garageand parked it in a Frank Drebbin- (you know, the guy from 'Police Squad'and the 'Naked Gun' movies) -like manner on the third level, I glanced atmy watch to see how much time I had before the plane disembarked.Mickey's hands pointed out that I had exactly 4 minutes to get from thegarage, to the terminal, check in, go through the security check, walk the2.5 miles from the security checkpoint to the gate, and board the plane.I didn't think I could make it, especially since the sky-blue double-knitSans-a-belt slacks I was wearing (with the matching green and red plaidlong sleeve shirt, smartly buttoned all the way to the top button, noneck-tie, of course, {although being a business trip, I was allowed totravel casually dressed, hence, no tie}) were a bit on the snug side. Eventhough they had been comfortable for the past 16 years, I had put on a fewextra pounds the last couple of them.Putting my negative thoughts aside, I made a mad dash toward the terminal,my white socks a blur in the partly sunny Monet-like landscape of concrete,asphalt, yellow painted lines and oil spots left on the ground by agingOldsmobiles and Dodge Mini-vans.Porting all I would need for this trip in one carry-on valese ofpebble-grained vinyl, I could actually by-pass the check-in and headstraight for the terminal, this would save me 3 minutes. My chances ofmaking the plane on time were getting better (if you don't count that I wassupposed to check in one hour before departure).I made it through the hernia-exam-like security frisk and hopped onto themoving sidewalk still running at full speed (well, as full a speed as a 36year old, overweight, couch potato with a vinyl valese and brownwinged-tipped Hush-Puppies could manage).At this point I recalled the old Hertz Rent-a-car commercials that used toplay on tv during the seventies and eighties, the ones with O.J. Simpson.You remember........ O.J. would be in California saying you could rent acar for $29.99 and Arnold Palmer (the golfer, not the star of theTerminator movies) would be in Florida saying you could rent a similar carfor $19.99.An odd choice to be thinking of while running through an airport.Anyway, I made it to the gate to find that the last (well second to last ifyou count me) passenger was just getting on board.I dragged myself, huffing and puffing, up to the gate and handed over myticket to the attendant. He proceeded to inform me that my pre-booked seatby the window had been given to a standby passenger, but they did have aseat between two children travelling alone to see their granny in Colma.Rats.   Oh well, "I'll take it", I told him, not wanting to miss myappointment in San Francisco. As I walked down the boarding ramp, I thoughtI heard him say to the janitor that they had to separate the two kidsbecause they fought like cats and dogs if they were seated next to eachother.My seat, as it turns out was backed up against the bulkhead, which meant Iwould not be able to recline. This was not a pleasant thought on a threehour tour ... er plane ride. Especially if the weather started gettingrough. The tiny plane could get tossed, if not for the courage of thefearless crew, the Boeing 666 airliner could get lost. The Boeing could getlost.When I tossed my valese into the overhead compartment and sat down, (onsome freshly chewed bubble gum) I tried to find the two parts of my safetybelt. My favorite part of any commercial flight is to follow along with thestewardess... er, flight attendant, during the safety drill.  Well, itseems that both parts of the belt had slipped down under the seat onto thefloor of the cabin.As I contorted myself into a yoga position that I had seen on tv a numberof years back in order to retrieve the belt halves, the two kids eruptedinto a nasty competition, apparently a resumption of a continuing battle asto who could come up with a tongue twister the other couldn't say."Rubber Baby Buggy Bumper....Rubber Baby Buggy Bumper....Rubber Baby BuggyBumper" one of the darling infant forencists yelled into my ear."She Sells Sea Shells By The Seashore....She sells Sea Shells By TheSeashore...." the other retorted in an equally profound and ear-splittingmanner.I finally exhumed the seat belts and settled into my seat, hearing aboutpecks of pickled peppers and the like, and after clasping the buckle closeddecided to put a stop to this quibble."Quick Click Calc....Quick Click Calc....Quick Click Calc" I interjected.The two stunned, yet suddenly pleasantly silent youngsters, were in awe.Quick Kick Clack....Kick quick clalc....Quack Quack Duck.....It was evidentto everyone on the plane that neither enfant horrible could duplicate myfeat.There wasn't another peep from anyone on the plane (although the radiantsmiles of adult parents were felt, even to a contorted, rumpled, gum stuckyutz like me) for the next 10 minutes.Just before take off, the little brother of the pair whispered to me "Whatis a Quake Cake Clamp anyway?"A program from the company with the 'Fish-Wearing-Holstein-Cow-Clothes'logo" I responded, patting the little dear on the head."IT'S NOT A FISH IT'S AN KILLER WHALE YOU <expletive deleted>. DON'T YOUKNOW AN ORCA WHEN YOU'VE SEEN ONE?" the little sister of the pair retorted."AND THEIR LOGO IS GEARS, YOU <what I assumed was an expletive, not havingheard this word before>."Just then a light bulb went on over my head. (It was the reading lamp ofthe woman just in front of me, but a minor epiphany was experiencednonetheless)So now it all makes sense! It is not ORKUM and ORKAK, but rather ORKA-EMand ORKA-SEE.  Duh! What country was I born in?Just then the plane took off. Now I was stuck. The scared little munchkinsclaws stuck into my legs (why did they have to be afraid of flying too, Ilamented silently to myself).I thought that my best course of action would be to just ignore them andstart getting ready for the work that lay ahead.  I pulled out mycredit-card-sized electronic Rolodex and began punching those tiny littlebuttons with my big, fat fingers. Yeah, right.I started to day dream a little, over the raucous noise the H.R.Puff'n'stuff dropouts were manufacturing, about some programs I had puttogether to download data from my Apple IIGS into my pocket Rolodex. Yousee, it isn't documented in any of the tech manuals but there is a smallconnector underneath the motherboard of the Rom 01 GS that is just perfectfor loading serial data into palm-sized mini-micro-sized-computerizedgadgets, provided you have the proper handshaking cable.While investigating the possibilities and putting together some code on theGS, a former Apple employee that was working at the local hand-toweled carwash let me in on the biggest secret surrounding the ROM on ROM 01 GS's.If you 'Peek' location $D8/BEEF and 'Poke' that into location $CC/FEEBwhile there is no memory expansion card in the slot, the firmware will spewforth 'Microsoft Flight Simulator' out the serial port, perfect for piratesand Microsoft disenchantee's alike.Well, the only catch was that it came out backwards, and big-endian toboot.  It was only a minor patch to fix that and since I was experimentingwith the hidden-serial-to-gizmo port anyway, I proceeded to download thegame into my Rolodex.How convenient for me, as I could boot up this game and keep thesequasimodo descendants occupied for the next three hours.I showed them how to do it and they were fascinated. I traded seats withthe distaff child and they were merrily playing for the next hour and ahalf.Suddenly the plane lurched up and shot 4,000 feet higher than ourtravelling ceiling. Next it plunged 6,000 feet in less than 3 seconds.Those who weren't buckled in (like the flight attendant told them, theI-can-do-what-I-want-because-it's-a-free-country God-less democrats) weretossed up and banged their heads a-la one of those Indoesian Gamelans. Youknow what I mean, in a musically rhythmic fashion, sort of in the tune to'shave and a haircut, two bits'.In fear that we were going to crash, I panicked and grabbed the Rolodexfrom the Addams-Family kids and threw it into my shirt pocket (not the onewith the pocket protector, but the other one).Just as suddenly, the plane leveled out and we continued on our trip.You probably heard about the incident of the plane that mysteriously shotup and dove down in the papers back then, but nobody could understand whathad happened, not the pilot, not the janitor, not the Federal AviationAdministration officials.At least until the past week.During the long and drawn out law suit that we passengers had filed againstthe airline for subjecting us to 'shave and a haircut, two bits' a newrevelation came forth.You see, a Boeing factory worker who was installing the firmware into theelectronic computerized passenger seat game/fax/phone ports in the plane'spassenger cabin was moonlighting in Redmond as a Programmer for Microsoft.The day he was installing the firmware in the seat next to the one Ioccupied, he had been terminated by the software giant. It seems he hadproduced 2,000 consecutive lines of code without one bug, which is, ofcourse, against company policy and grounds for immediate termination.When he came to work at the Boeing facility that day, he had brought alonga bootleg copy of, you guessed it, Flight Simulator, and wired it into thecockpit controls.  When the kids had inadvertently plugged the earphoneadapter to my Rolodex into the headphone jack at their seat, they hadaccidently tripped the cockpit override and were actually steering theplane.Scary.I had to tell the FAA that I've never owned anything other than a IIGS anda Newton.My mom will probably wash out my mouth with soap for that fib.Don't tell anyone, ok?                       (HABANERO, 15548, GO COM A2)                                RUMOR MILL                                """"""""""SHEPPY'S SOFTDISK STUFF   All of my Softdisk-published stuff has been"""""""""""""""""""""""   updated and released as freeware or sharewaresince Softdisk G-S went away.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 15308, GO COM A2)NEW SCRIPTS FOR COG?   Well, all I've told Ewen so far is that I'm working""""""""""""""""""""   on some scripts he might want to include in the nextversion of COG.  What I'm working on at present is a replacement for theMsg.Reader script that will give COG users the ability to deal withmessages, threads and topics a little easier.I'm creating a new message reader window which contains pop-up menus forForum and Topic (both of which can be set to "All" if you don't want tolimit which message threads get displayed in the Thread list box.  Thisallows you go through the thread subjects and pick and choose whichmessages you want to read (unread messages will be marked).There is a second window that is for displaying the message that you selectin the Thread listbox.  I haven't decided yet whether I will be puttingbuttons in like the current Msg.Reader scripts does for Reply, Download,Archive, etc.  I'm thinking more of using keyboard commands or a menu but Ihaven't decided yet.You will be able to set how many days you wish to keep messages on yoursystem.  After that many days, they will be deleted unless you have toldthe script that you want to keep the message.  I'll probably add a COGArchive menu item to the Forum pop-up menu for this but I might just leavethe kept message in their own Forums.  Again, I haven't decided yet.This script is in its very early infancy but I did want to let people knowthat an improved threaded message reader is in the works.  I'm not surewhen it will be done as I'm also working on several other things at thesame time but rest assured, it will be done if for no other reason than thefact that I want it.  :) Jeff Blakeney - Dean of A2U in A2Pro on Delphi sent via COG v2.5, Spectrum v2.1 and a Linux box to here.                       (JBLAKENEY, 14896, GO COM A2)NEW LIFE FOR PLATINUM PAINT?   I inquired through Gina a week or so ago""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   into the status of Platinum Paint, and sheindicated that SQC still has the rights to the program, but apparently hasno intention of ever distributing it again.I have asked for a price on obtaining the rights to Platinum Paint so thatI can distribute it through Juiced.GS, and if the price is not too steep Iintend to do just that. I'm still waiting to hear a price, or even if therights are for sale. Wish me luck ....The good news is that we still have Gina inside SQC to keep an eye onthings for us. :-) Max Jones, Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs Delivered by Spectrum 2.1 and Crock O' Gold 2.5                       (JUICEDGS, 14898, GO COM A2)MARINETTI PROGRESS   Well, yes I'm working on Marinetti 2.0 at the moment,""""""""""""""""""   and as Carl says, probably the end of September (I'mbusy job hunting at the moment).Marinetti 1.1 and 2.0 are basically the same thing. In fact if a certainperson hadn't accidentally (yeah, it was an accident, I understand theyhappen every now and again :) posted about it, nobody would have beenconfused about the version number. That's why we do secret development, sothat rumours and fiction don't get started.As with most Apple II software these does, it will be done when its done,and here on Delphi you'll hear about it first, the Marinetti home pagesecond, and csa2 hopefully never. :-)Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 14908, GO COM A2)WAITING FOR GODOT. . . UH, GUS   I think it's safe to assume that since'"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Andy Nicholas is no longer at Apple, andDave Lyons is a busy guy, we probably shouldn't hold our breaths waitingfor Gus to be released to the general public.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 15277, GO COM A2)                              PUBLIC POSTINGS                              """""""""""""""FROM SPECCIE WITH LOVE   Until now, I haven't really said anything online""""""""""""""""""""""   about the TABBS CD-ROM, mainly because I waswaiting to get copies of the CD-ROM for distribution. A slew of copiesarrived this morning, and I've just spent the past few hours going throughthe CD-ROM. It's going to take much, much longer - maybe even years -before I discover everything on the TABBS CD-ROM, as there is more than 600megabytes of compressed files on the CD.As those of you who attend Kfest 98 know, the TABBS CD-ROM was put togetherby Sir Ewen Wannop, of Spectrum fame. For years, Ewen ran a BBS system forvarious Apple II British user groups, and the TABBS CD includes everythingthat was ever uploaded to that BBS, plus I presume, a whole lot more.It's a hybrid CD, with software on it for Apple II, Macintosh and IBM PC.It includes, among other things, the entire Apple2000 Apple II disklibrary, as well as the more recent British Apple IIgs Club library. Inaddition, the British Apple IIgs Club put out a monthly newsletter inHyperStudio format, and all of those are on the disk as well. Each one ofthose newsletter disks contains articles, news, and of course software.In looking at the CD for just a few hours, I feel overwhelmed withsoftware. For that reason, I've asked Ewen if he can send me a completecatalog of everything on the disk (as it is, each folder on the CD has acatalog listing, but there are probably 100 different folders) so that Ican make that info available so that folks can see what's on the disk.Like I said, it's going to take me a long time to go through the diskjust to see what's there.In any case, the TABBS Library Archive CD-ROM is now available fromShareware Solutions II for $25. It comes on one large HFS volume.Send checks/money orders to: Joe Kohn Shareware Solutions II 166 Alpine St San Rafael, CA 94901                       (JOE_KOHN, 15184, GO COM A2)NEW WEBWORKS FROM SHEPPY   WebWorks GS has been updated to version 1.1!""""""""""""""""""""""""The new version fixes the copyright symbol bug (which could potentiallycrash the system, and would corrupt documents), and adds an exciting newfeature!WebWorks GS now provides an HTML preview option, whereby you can, withoutquitting WebWorks GS, see how your page will look when viewed in SpectrumInternet Suite!Thanks to Ewen Wannop and Geoff Weiss, who kindly provided the SIS HTMLengine used to display the page, ordinary mortals (ie, people without TheManager, Spectrum, SIS, *and* a lot of memory) can check out their pageswhile editing them.Current WebWorks GS owners can upgrade by downloading the updaterapplication, UpdateWWGS.shk, either from Delphi's A2 library when it'sreleased (I just uploaded it now), or fromftp://ftp.sheppyware.net/pub/apple_iigs/UpdateWWGS.shk.The updater includes a readme file describing the usage of the updaterapplication and the new feature, an updater application, and Dan Krass'WebWorks GS logo graphic, which you can use freely on WWGS-built pages ifyou like.You'll need around 100k of free disk space (about 50k on the boot disk andabout 50k on the disk that WebWorks GS is on) to install the update.If you don't have WebWorks GS already, send Joe Kohn $20 and get your copytoday! All disks sent out henceforth will be version 1.1!Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 14977, GO COM A2)SHEPPYWARE SNAIL MAIL IN LIMBO   By the way, everyone, my snail mail""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   address will be going away soon. Given thedecrease in shareware payments and software purchases over the last year, Ican no longer justify keeping my mailbox, so I'm letting my contract lapse.It will go away effective the 20th or so of this month.I'll make some sort of arrangement for a replacement address to sendpayments to if anyone feels like paying for anything anymore.This is going to make collecting payments tougher, but since nobody sendsme money anymore really anyway, I guess it's no big deal.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 14984, GO COM A2)NEW SHIFTY LIST   Just a note: later this week, I'll be releasing the"""""""""""""""   long-awaited Shifty List 2.0.1 update for registeredShifty List owners (people using the unregistered demo are out of luck--they can just put up with the bugs :).This will be available as a downloadable update, similar to the WebWorks GSupdate, that will update a copy of your Shifty List 2.0 floppy to 2.0.1;you can then install the updated version from there.Fixed bugs include (this is only the half of the stuff I remember offhand):Hitting certain keys in the ScriptBuilder FExt doesn't crash anymore.ScriptBuilder doesn't always ask you to specify where to save a file if youclose the FExt without saving first; if the file already exists on disk,and you tell it to save when it asks, it saves with that name.If you boot with a script that has an application in it, and there's noSetStart.Data file, the application will actually get launched; in 2.0,this didn't work right.The hopefully final version has been sent to testers, so with luck it'll beout in two or three days (Shifty List 2.0.1 has passed testing already; theupdater program needs a couple days of testing still though).Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 15495, GO COM A2)<<<<<   The Shifty List 2.0.1 updater application is now available from the"""""   SheppyWare web site atftp://ftp.sheppyware.net/pub/apple_iigs/UpdateSL201.shk. Please note thatthis update does *not* affect the demo version, which won't up updated toversion 2.0.1.Visit the *new* Shifty List web site athttp://www.sheppyware.net/software/shiftylist_gs/ for more information!Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 15610, GO COM A2)SHEPPYWARE ONLINE OVERHAUL   The SheppyWare Online web site is undergoing""""""""""""""""""""""""""   yet another renovation; this will be anongoing process over the coming weeks. It's all being redone with animproved look & feel in WebWorks GS. :)Drop by at http://www.sheppyware.net from time to time to have a look!Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                        (SHEPPY, 15599, GO COM A2)                             BEST OF THE BEST                             """"""""""""""""15000 11-AUG 19:34 The Apple II Legacy     RE: KFest '98 (Re: Msg 3681)     From: KEN_GAGNE    To: ALLHi All,This is an article I wrote for my local newspaper after returning from myfirst KansasFest a few weeks ago. They ran it on page B1 & B2 on Saturday,August 1st, along with a sidebar of addresses & phone numbers for variousApple II resources: Alltech, Quality Computers, Byteworks, Seven Hills,Juiced.GS, and SSII.Figured I'd share it with y'all, FWIW...-----Ken Gagne                    KansasFest '98 and the Apple IISomewhere in a home office rests a new Pentium computer, purchased for asmall fortune.  Not far away is a G3 Macintosh, equipped with the latest inhigh-performance technology.  Yet between the two sits the real workhorse:a 20-year-old Apple II, a computer that's beaten the odds and stayed alive,thanks to a community of dedicated users.In today's marketplace, computer equipment is often outdated within threeto six months of purchase.  To stay competitive and compatible, constantupgrading is necessary.  The quests for an effective $1000 computer, or thefabled $500 "Internet box," remain elusive.  But go to any flea market orgarage sale and chances are there's an Apple II available for less than thecost of a mouse.  When properly equipped, the wheelbarrow becomes an18-wheeler, suitable to most tasks without any of the glitter of modernmachines.The Apple II is the brainchild of Steve Wozniak, who designed the originalmachine and founded Apple in his garage in 1977.  Various models haveexisted, from the IIe to the IIc to the II+.  In 1986, the IIgs wasintroduced, a 16-bit machine that could run the software of its 8-bitbrethren, but also its own league of new software.Despite competition from other early computers, such as the Atari, Amiga,and Commodore, the Apple II had a strong presence.  "It got into thebusiness place with a piece of software called VisiCalc, the firstspreadsheet program," recalls Ron Dagenais.  Dagenais, who operatesComputer Systems & Software in Searstown, has been an authorized Appledealer since he opened the store in 1979.  "And then there was payroll andinventory software.  Also, schools standardized on the Apple II.  Thecomputer was, and still is, adequate for grades K-4."  Even today, it isoften used to establish a cheap network: rather than ask for a $2000computer from administration, teachers can find Apple II's for as little as$20.In 1993, Apple Inc. stopped manufacturing the computers, favoring theMacintosh, an entirely different system not compatible with the II.  Yetthe lack of official support has not stopped people from using it.Whereas once the Apple II was heavily supported by user groups - people ina town banding together to share problems and solutions - most groups todayhave absorbed their Apple II support into the Macintosh, essentiallyeliminating the former.  Yet those few user groups still knowledgeableabout the supposedly-obsolete machine offer free technical support and hugelibraries of free software.The disappearance of such groups has not killed the community of Appleusers, but forced them to relocate; like many modern organizations, theyhave banded together online.  Be it on the Internet or a commercial servicesuch as Delphi, not a day goes by when a problem isn't solved, a glitchcorrected, a new user introduced to the basics, or a new piece of softwareis released.  Apple II users are reaching out on a global scale,strengthening the few of them left with whatever cooperation possible.Last week, Avila College in Kansas City became the site of a computer expodedicated to the Apple II.  KansasFest began in 1989 as A2-CentralDeveloper Conference, but the programming focus has since lessened.  Thisyear, 50 people from as far away as Hawaii, Australia, and the Netherlands,ranging in age from nineteen to ninety, came to see product demonstrations,give sessions on obscure ways to use the Apple, and enjoy the company of asmall but strong community.Several programs were unveiled at KansasFest, creating new uses and fillingneeds.  Among them was Eric Shepherd's WebWorks GS, a HyperText MarkupLanguage (HTML) editor, making the creation of web pages easy.  The ByteWorks presented GSoft Basic, a IIgs-specific form of the Basic programminglanguage.  Also released were updates to Marinetti, a tool for connectingto the Internet using the SLIP/PPP protocol; Spectrum, a potenttelecommunications program; and GraphicWriter III, a desktop publishingprogram.This year's KansasFest included a HackFest, a competition to see who couldwrite the "coolest" program, from scratch in 12 hours.  I entered using thenew GSoft Basic as my language.  When I hit a snag, Mike Westerfield,author of the program, was on-hand to show me the ropes and correct bugs -both mine and his, in the language itself - as needed.The unlikely equivalent in the IBM world would be showing Bill Gates aWindows 98 bug, and having him fix it - on the spot.It's just another example that it's not so much the computer itself whichis so significant, as it is the community.  The people are programmers,writers, and users who do what they can to support each other because theyenjoy doing so.Max Jones, publisher of the Juiced.GS newsletter, commented: "It'sremarkable to see so many people from so many diverse lifestyles and somany parts of the world come together for a common purpose: to celebratethe Apple II and the wonderful community that has grown up around it."Other activities included the traditional opening barbeque feast at K.C.Masterpiece, a strange tie contest, and a roast, at which a majorcontributor to the Apple II community is honored by having his name draggedthrough the mud, with a few embarrassing stories along the way. This year'svictim was Tony Diaz, without whom Alltech Electronics would probably notsupport the computer with a variety of essential hardware. Diaz also owns aprivate Apple II museum, which includes many prototypes and other thingswhich officially never exist.Many attendees were not using Apple II's, but Macintoshes equipped withBernie II the Rescue, a program which allows virtually all Apple IIsoftware to be run on a PowerMac.  As dedicated as the cult-like followingof the Mac, which holds only 4% of today's market, is, the Apple IIfollowing is even more so.From indoor frisbee to the sharing of steak and song, the Apple II is asmuch about the people as it is the computer.  Two years ago at KansasFest,in the wee hours of the morning, three programmers, from Australia,England, and New Jersey, met and found themselves in an Avila dorm roomtalking about the Internet.  A year and much collaboration later, theyreleased Spectrum Internet Suite, the first and only graphical web browserfor the IIgs.Although dead to the masses, the Apple II continues to be the computer ofchoice to many.  As long as people have fun using it and interacting withothers of similar interests, it will remain useful while still growing.---------This article is copyright (c) 1998 by Ken Gagne.  All rights reserved. Notto be distributed in a modified form.This and other Apple II material can be found on Ken Gagne's web page athttp://www.ziplink.net/~kgagneOriginal Publication: Sentinel & Enterprise, 01-Aug-98Genie: Ken.Gagne (Ken.Gagne@genie.com)CIS: 75162,3001 (75162.3001@compuserve.com)Delphi: Ken_Gagne (Ken_Gagne@delphi.com)Internet: kgagne@ziplink.net[EOA][A2P]------------------------------                   A2Pro_DUCTIVITY |-----------------------------------Checking out A2PRO on Delphi""""""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                    [thelamp@delphi.com]NINJAFORCE ASSEMBLER VS. MERLIN   I was just wondering, aside from the fact"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   that you have to pay for Merlin and yourassembler is free, why would someone like me want to change from Merlinwhich is a pretty damn powerful assembler, to yours?I'm not having a dig, I'm just interested why you went to so much troubleto basically emulate Merlin?Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 1980, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I released NF Asm basically to have a backup on the Internet :) and"""""   thought that nobody needs assemblers anyway nowadays. I might bewrong about that, but I sure did not want to decrease ORCA/M sales, orMerlin 16+.You're right, NF Assembler can't (for example) handle file chunks likeORCA/M. I don't know what Merlin can do, but I guess it has similarcapabilities (to Orca).NF Assembler is close to Merlin (as I found out years later), but theeditor in Merlin is just a pain. Also, I don't know if it has some sort ofdebugger as NF Asm?Many greetings,Jesse Blue / NinjaforceCheck out our upcoming Apple IIGS game at:http://www.ninjaforce.home.ml.org                       (JESSEBLUE, 1986, GO COM A2)>>>>>   OOPS! Sorry Richard,"""""I didn't seem to have read your post correctly. I wrote NF Asm a long timeago on an Apple IIe. I did not have an assembler at all, then. Later Imoved it to the GS and upgraded it for 16bit. THEN I bought Orca/M and wastotally confused (and scared off by its "speed" (sorry Mike W.)) so I wascontinuing work on NF Asm. Then I had a chance to see Merlin 16, and didn'tlike that, too. That's how it came.Jesse Blue / NinjaforceCheck out our upcoming Apple IIGS game at:http://www.ninjaforce.home.ml.org                       (JESSEBLUE, 1987, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Interesting. Obviously it makes more sense to me that you wrote"""""   without knowing about Merlin. :)Tell us about the debugger in NF Asm, and does the link spit out OMF filesetc.?Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 1988, GO COM A2)>>>>>   The NF Assembler can put out OMF files in one step - i.e. no object"""""   files. They can only have one segment, though, so it is limiting.Also, being p8 based, testing OMF style output isn't so convenient.  Forreal GS/OS based programming, Merlin or ORCA/M are much more suitable.                          (KWS, 1989, GO COM A2)DO YOU REMEMBER YOUR SWEET 16?   Sweet 16 is an interpreted 16-bit code""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   environment for the 6502. The source codefor Sweet 16 is floating around several FTP sites and I'm sure itsdistribution use is included with the source. My first assembler was theS-C assembler and I know the source for sweet 16 was included with that,but I don't recall what Apple's distribution policy was.In terms of speed, it is significant slower than hand tweaked 16-bit code,but you can write an incredible amount of 16-bit code in very little memoryspace.Geoff                        (SISGEOFF, 1992, GO COM A2)GS(DE)BUG   I figure its about time we tried to sort out the latest version"""""""""   of the various debugging tools available, with so fewdevelopers left, we pretty much could do with the best that are available.For starters, I think 1.6 of GSBug came with the System 6 CD. What areother people using?Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 2001, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Where can I download GSBug? I never used it."""""Blatant plug: I use the debugger that belongs to the NF Assembler. It is aCDA that allows you to browse through your labels, view them, disassemblememory with the labels displayed etc. Not very good, but useful.Any other debuggers out there? CDAs?Jesse Blue / NinjaforceCheck out our upcoming Apple IIGS game at:http://www.ninjaforce.home.ml.org                       (JESSEBLUE, 2002, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Try: {<ftp://ftp.apple.com/dts/aii/tools/gsbug/gsbug-1-6-shk.bsc>"""""   ftp://ftp.apple.com/dts/aii/tools/gsbug/gsbug-1-6-shk.bsc}                        (SISGEOFF, 2003, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I think someone already pointed out the Apple FTP site. Of course,"""""   once you download it you need to figure out what it does. For bothdisks _and_ documentation, give us a buzz.GSBug (with documentation) in included in these Byte Works products:GS-04 ORCA/M Assembler $75.00APDA-15 Apple II GSBug and Debugging Tools Ref. $30.00For a complete price list by e-mail, send me a note. For a printed catalogby snail-mail, include your snail-mail address.Mike WesterfieldByte Works, Inc.                       (BYTEWORKS, 2005, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Yeah, 1.6 is the last version of GSBug (that I know of). Too bad"""""   it's still got some problems, but it's still a pretty good tool.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2006, GO COM A2)>>>>>   That is the one I am using, and that one version also comes with"""""   ORCA, but then you would not know that of course... :)Mike would presumably be the arbiter of which is the latest version. Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 2008, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I'm using GSBug v1.6b21.""""" Jeff Blakeney - Dean of A2U in A2Pro on Delphi sent via COG v2.5, Spectrum v2.1 and a Linux box to here.                       (JBLAKENEY, 2010, GO COM A2)<<<<<   You've never used GSBug? Oh my, will you be in for a shock."""""GSBug allows you to step and trace your program in real (if somewhat slow)time. You can set break points, monitor locations, display and modifymemory. You can even trace to disk and view it again later. There's heapsof stuff in there.Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 2007, GO COM A2)>>>>>   It is indeed better than a CDA, but that control sequence does not"""""   work with Bernie or GUS, as that is the sequence you use to quitboth of them... Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 2009, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Actually, the problem is that the keyboard combination"""""   Command-Option-ESC forces any Mac application to quit, and thatconflicts with the GSBug entry keys.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2011, GO COM A2)>>>>>   There is a developer version of Bernie available that has a menu"""""   item that will send the Command-Option-Control-Escape sequence tothe emulated GS.  It also has a couple memory monitor tools in it as well,made possible by the fact that the GS is emulated.  The reason these toolsare not included in the standard Bernie distribution is that it slows downBernie.Dave Miller                        (JUSTDAVE, 2019, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I take it Henrik and the Bernie Boys know about this one?  If not,"""""   I think we ought to woof up the right tree :) - Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. - rsuenaga@apple2.org Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi "Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1982" Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                        (RSUENAGA, 2013, GO COM A2)>>>>>   A cool side effect of GSBug is it allows entry to the CDA menu when"""""   a program has attempted to lock it out. It also interfaces nicelywith Nifty List. - Tony                         (TONYW1, 2014, GO COM A2)<<<<<   You know, funny thing about the "n" command in GSBug to enter Nifty"""""   List. I was after a way to call Pixie from GSBug, because I use itinstead of Nifty List.Well, next thing you know, GSBug has a command to call Nifty List, but toexplain it away, Dave calls it a "N"eat hook or something. It was supposedto stand for Nifty List, but "N"eat hook sounded more like a generic thingfor other debuggers.A command like "D" or "C" for CDA would make more sense, but then NiftyList doesn't start with "D" or "C". :)Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 2015, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Henrik knows. It's on the Sheppy List of 25 -- my list of Bernie"""""   requests that I mailed him a few days ago. :)I promised him that if he gets 17 of those 25 items fixed, I'll make him acustom version of Wolf 3D that replaces the dogs with St. Bernards thatcome up and schmooze you to death. :)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2022, GO COM A2)BABELFISHING VIA C?   Babelfish translators require several code resources"""""""""""""""""""   containing functions that handle various things.ORCA/C doesn't seem to be capable of doing this (or if it can, I haven'tfound the trick) without a special pragma (cdev, for example).Is there any way to make ORCA not care that main() doesn't exist? :)I tried telling ORCA that these files are CDEVs, but the resulting codejust crashes. :)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2012, GO COM A2)>>>>>   main() is called by the code in the ".root" file, so #pragma noroot"""""   might work (or just delete the ".root" file before you link).You'd have to be careful to do all the setup that the ".root" file normallydoes.--Steve Reeves                        (REEVESST, 2017, GO COM A2)>>>>>   There are several issues in trying to set up a custom entry"""""   mechanism for ORCA/C.Entry is always at the first segment the linker sees. That's what .root isreally all about. If you get rid of it, you must be very careful to makesure the first subroutine that is linked is really your entry point.There is nothing sacred about main()--if you get rid of the .root segment,which generated code to set up the ORCA environment and call main(), thennothing really expects main() to exist. It's the code in .root that isreally looking for main(). Delete it or replace it and the issue vanishes.There is another problem, though--that entry code is needed! It sets up theenvironment ORCA/C programs expect when they are running. It does thinglike initialize the ORCA/C memory manager; sets up the registers properly(all 16 bit, D points to the top of the stack area, B points to the segmentcontaining global variables); initializes various variables for exit()returns, argc, and so forth; and initializes several global variables, likeerrno. If you get rid of this preamble code, you _must_ replace it withsomething else that does the job for you. That's what all the specializedpragmas are for: they create .root segments that are appropriate to theenvironment they are designed for.To be absolutely safe, you should get the runtime library source anddisassemble the .root segment. Create your own preamble code, and why not,name the object code with a .root extension and drop it in with your objectfiles.For this particular case, though, you may be very close to the requirementsfor an NBA or XCMD. Check those environments out. If you are, you can justuse one of those.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2018, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Sheppy, be sure and check out the "System Functions" section in the"""""   reference manual, too. This outlines the various subroutines usedby the startup code, telling what each does. It will give you a head starton writing a new startup routine, if that's what you need to do.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2023, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I seem to remember doing something like this a while back. If I"""""   remember correctly, I called SysEnvironmentInit (not sure on thespelling) to make sure everything was setup the way C likes it. - Tony                         (TONYW1, 2025, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Yeah, that might do it."""""Interestingly, the original code was for APW C, which worked fine. I'mhalf-tempted to dig up my copy and just build this thing using that. Oddly,the compiled program size is 28 blocks smaller with APW C (ORCA/C builds itout to 31 blocks, APW C builds to 3, apparently).Would there be a horrible conflict if I just installed APW C under ORCA?Would it cause a problem with ORCA/C? I've never used APW C, so I dunno. :)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2026, GO COM A2)>>>>>   APW C should install under ORCA 2.0 just fine."""""That difference in block size is due to the fact that you brought in allsorts of ORCA/C setup code that you don't need. :) For example, are you_really_ using exit() or argv? Do you really need floating point? Do youreally need malloc() and the other memory management tools? Do you reallyneed to initialize stdio? If not, the code size will dwindle rapidly.Also, APW C, like ORCA/C, makes assumptions about registers and direct pageuse. If you create a single subroutine in ORCA/C, compile it with noroot,and link the result, you'll get a very short chunk of code--probably 3blocks. :) It stands about the same chance of working as the APW C codedoes. But what's it _really_ doing in there with the direct page space (howis D set), with static variables (how is B set), and with calls to thelibraries (did you initialize all the things you need)? It may be a pain toset all of these things correctly in ORCA/C, but at least you have all ofthe tools you need to do it. If you don't set these things up, though,whether you use ORCA/C or APW C, be sure and let all of us know so we canavoid your program!But truly, your chances of working without initialization code are the samefor ORCA/C and APW C. They both use the same memory model.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2028, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Woah! This isn't *my* program. I'm just updating someone else's"""""   code to fix a minor problem with translating to and fromHyperStudio sound format. :)I think it's going to be too much work to try to do all the stuff everybodysays needs to be done to make ORCA/C actually build a viable Babelfishtranslator, and I don't really want to write the code to do thefloating-point calculations on frequency and the like in assembly (the onlything I hate more than doing string manipulation in assembly is doingfloating-point math in assembly :).I'm thinking I maybe better hand this project off to someone with more timeto figure out the tricks needed to make C happy. :)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2030, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Nice try, but I'm not letting you off the hook that easily!"""""Just to keep the discussion clear for the lurkers, this is not an ORCA/Cproblem, it's an ORCA/C solution. You _must_ to certain initialization for_any_ compiler before it is safe to execute its code. The difference withORCA/C is that I can tell you how to do it, and even if I didn't, thedocumentation and libraries you need to figure it out for yourself areavailable. That is not true for APW C or any other non-ORCA Apple IIGScompiler.I really haven't spent much time looking at Babelfish. What are therequirements for a Babelfish translator's interface? Specifically, how arethe registers set on entry to the translator, and how are parameterspassed? One of the existing pragmas might actually do the job. If not, andif the requirements are not too outrageous, I could add a new pragma so youcan safely write translators.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2034, GO COM A2)<<<<<   I understand all that... my entire point is that I don't have time"""""   to figure it all out myself right now; I'd expected this to be a 30minute fix-up job, and didn't realize it would involve writing custom Cinitialization code. :)Babelfish is accessed with all parameters on the stack (both inputs andoutputs). There are multiple code resources, each with a different set ofstack-passed parameters. I don't have the Babelfish docs handy at themoment so I can't tell you exactly what each code resource requires.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2036, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Not so... All communication between applications and Babelfish and"""""   a translator and Babelfish are done through IPC calls...So there should be no problem using any language you choose. Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 2039, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Ewen, I'm referring to the interface between Babelfish and a"""""   translator; I know that Babelfish itself is accessed via IPC, andthat it does send IPC requests to the translator, but Babelfish still callsthese code resources at times as well.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2043, GO COM A2)>>>>>   So how does the application start? Does Babelfish load the"""""   translator as if it is a standard application? Is there an initialcall that starts the program running? If so, how does the program know whenit is time to quit? If not, when is the program supposed to initializeitself?Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2041, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Well, sort of."""""Babelfish calls the translator at load time, at load point. It is therethat the translator installs an IPC request handler and returns to caller.All translation functions are then handled through IPC.So what you need, is a way to call _AcceptRequests at the beginning of thefile, and a way to build IPC request procedures.Regards, Richard                       (RICHARD_B, 2045, GO COM A2)<<<<<   But the Standard File filter procedure is always called directly,"""""   and that's the first thing that crashes as I'm building thingsright now. :)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2046, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I did not write Babelfish, so am going from memory from the docs..."""""Babelfish is a PIF. When an application wants to Import or Exportsomething, Babelfish is called by an appropriate IPC call, then (quotingfrom the docs):"Babelfish loads a translator from disk, assigns a user ID, and callsResource Startup at BFImportThis or BFExportThis time (before TrInit andTrStartUp are called by Babelfish). This makes the translators independentresource applications, which they remain throughout the Read/Write lifecycle. When the Read/Write process is complete (or terminated due to anerror), Babelfish calls Resource Shutdown on the translator and completelypurges the translator from memory." Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 2048, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Ewen kindly sent me the Babelfish documentation, and I looked it"""""   over this morning.The short version: It's worse than I thought.The slightly longer version: There will be no ORCA/C pragma to create aBabelfish translator from C. In fact, it's not even _possible_ to create anORCA/C pragma to allow you to create a Babelfish translator from C.The situation is pretty grim, actually. Babelfish translators are not asingle program, they are a collection of programs and resources. The codeportion of the translator is broken up into multiple individual programs,each of which resides in a separate executable chunk. Since there is noloader for loading a program split into multiple resources, each of theseindividual pieces is, and must remain, a completely separate program fromeach of the other pieces of the translator. They cannot share subroutinesor data, at least not the way a program does, which is to simply make thesubroutine or data global and allow all pieces of the program to make useof them.This means that writing a translator involves writing several individualprograms, one for each of the Babelfish calls. These programs are thencombined with separate resources using a program like Rez. Unless you do iton your own through IPC calls or some other mechanism, these chunks ofprogram code cannot share data or subroutines.The actual calling mechanism is about the only glimmer of light. It'sessentially the same one used by a subroutine, which means you can writethe individual programs as a C function, and simply declare the neededparameters. Create your program using the noroot pragma, make sure thefirst subroutine in the source file is the one Babelfish is supposed tocall, don't use partial compiles, and make sure the object file produced isthe first one specified in the link command. If you do all of that, thecall itself will work. (Sheppy: The same is _not_ true of APW C, which usesa different calling mechanism.)Make sure you use the databank pragma around this entry function. Thattells C to set up the data bank, and allows you to use global variables.This step is also required by some libraries, even if you are not usingglobal variables. (But remember: the variables are only global to thisspecific piece of the translator. There is no way to make a variable globalin multiple pieces of the translator!)If your program links without bringing in libraries, that's all you need todo. If you need to use libraries, you may need to take additional steps toset them up. You will probably have to do some of this from assemblylanguage, since you don't have a direct page area, and some of the routines(notably SANE) need one. As a minimum, examine the section "SystemFunctions" in Chapter 19 of the ORCA/C manual. You should also keep a copyof the sublib source handy so you can look at the requirements ofindividual library routines you may see linked into your program. Remember:even if _you_ don't call a library through a .h header file, C may call onefor something like converting a float to an integer. You must initializethe environment for all of the libraries you see linked into your program,not just for the ones you know you called!At this point, it's reasonable to ask why I can't create something thatwould initialize the things you need for you. The answer is that it wouldbe possible, but I don't think it's reasonable. It would take a great dealof my time to create a separate pragma for each and every Babelfish call,and that is what would be required. Considering the number of calls, theamount of work that it is going to take anyone to write a translator, andthe number of people who would do it even if I could make it easy (which Ican't--just easier), I don't think it's a good use of my time.If you're _seriously_ interested in writing a translator in C, post thatfact here. So far I'm only aware of two people. If I've drasticallyunderestimated the number of people who would use this feature, I'llreconsider whether I should spend the time needed to create all thosepragmas.Or maybe the Babelfish interface could simply be redesigned so it didn't,ahem, so closely resemble its namesake.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2092, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Bill Tudor has sent me the message below. I have the source file"""""   for 'Debug' and can send it to anyone who wants it if theinformation he gives is not enough.I would guess that we are stuck with Babelfish as it is now, but iftranslators can be written freely in Orca/C, then at least furtherdevelopment of new translators is not held up.-------------------------------------------------------------------------Ewen,Yes, there are/were a number of translators written with Orca/C. The bestone to look at is the Debug translator because it is essentially a "shell"of a translator (it does nothing).Maybe a quick glance of the technical documentation leaves you with thewrong impression.Below is a short discussion from memory.NOTE: My memory is not perfect, so I may get some of this wrong!There are no #pragma's or special techniques/mixed assembly or anythinglike that needed. Most of the communication between babelfish and thetranslator is through the System 6 IPC mechanism, not through any functioncalls. If you can write an INIT, Finder Extension, Code Resource, etc, youcan write a translator. Here's what I remember:Basically, a babelfish translator is a resource file with 4 Code Resourcesin it. There are a number of other required and optional resources as well,but let's talk about the 4 code resources. The rez source would have lineslike this:read rCodeResource(TrInit,locked,convert) "Init.out";read rCodeResource(TrImportOptions,locked,convert) "Import.out";read rCodeResource(TrExportOptions,locked,convert) "Export.out";read rCodeResource(TrFilter,locked,convert) "Filter.out";Basically, it is reading in the code resources from compiled C Code (or anylanguage) which was linked to the files xxxx.out. Prototypes for the 4functions that make up these resources look something like this:TrInit Code Resource:pascal void    init();TrImportOptions Code Resource:pascal word DebugFilter(DirEntryRecPtrGS entryPtr);TrExportOptions Code Resource:pascal void importOptions(xferRecPtr ptr);TrFilter Code Resource:pascal void exportOptions(xferRecPtr ptr);Of course, you can name the functions anything you like, just link thingsso that the object code contains this function as the entry point.Typically, these functions do not need global variables or do very much.The TrInit function must install a IIgs IPC Request Procedure, just like asystem 6 Finder extension would do. Here is the TrInit code from the DebugTranslator: * Function: init() * -------- * + Setup the accept requests routine. * * Parameters: <none> * Returns:    <none> * * Created:   6/16/93 12:40:49 AM * ---------------------------------------------*/pascal unsigned int    myRequestProc();pascal void    init() {unsigned int userID;   userID = MMStartUp();   Int2Hex(userID,&reqName[27],4);   AcceptRequests(reqName,userID, myRequestProc);}Note that all it does is setup the request procedure. That is where all thework gets done. Writing one of those in C is easy enough as well, exceptthat you have to do the DBR save/restore things, etc. * Function: myRequestProc(request, dataIn, dataOut) * -------- * + My Accept Requests procedure. * * Parameters: request : (uint) request code *             dataIn  : (long) input data ptr *             dataOut : (long) output data ptr * * Returns:    (uint)  : result (True is handled) * * Created:  6/16/93 12:42:28 AM * ---------------------------------------------*/pascal unsigned int    myRequestProc(request, dataIn, dataOut)unsigned int   request;xferRecHndl     dataIn;TrOutBufferPtr dataOut;{unsigned int   oldDBR;unsigned int   result;   result  = 0;   oldDBR  = SaveDB();   switch(request) {       case srqGoAway:           ((srqGoAwayOutPtr)dataOut)->resultID = MMStartUp();           result = 1;           break;       case TrStartUp:           if (AlertWindow(awResource+awButtonLayout,0L,(long)startupAlert)) {               (*dataIn)->Status = bfContinue;               dataOut->TRresult = bfNoErr;           }           else {               (*dataIn)->Status = bfAbortErr;               dataOut->TRresult = 0x0120;           }           result = 1;           break;. etc etc   RestoreDB(oldDBR);   return(result ? 0x8000:0);See the rest of the enclosed Debug translator for all the details. AlthoughI always used Orca/C, I did like using "linkiigs" tool from Apple. I am notsure why, however, there may be an issue here regarding what linker optionsare needed to compile the code resource fragment. I always did it likethis:    echo "Compiling DBG.Init.c..."    compile DBG.Init.c keep=Init.o    echo "Linking..."    linkiigs Init.o.= -lib 13:clib -o Init.out    echo "Done."Notice that the "init.out" is the actual file that is imported in by therez source shown at the beginning of this message. The linkiigs tool wasfreely available - it may have even shipped with Orca/C, I cannot remember.The bottom line - yes, easy to write in C. I personally preferred writingthem in C. Of the ones I wrote...The following Translators were done in C:AESoundAsciiFilterDebugHSSoundThe following were in Assembly:BinSoundIIGSFontQuickDrawII PicturerSoundSo it was pretty much split down the middle. The Debug Translator isenclosed. If you want a "real" example (i.e., a translator that actuallydoes something), take a look at the AsciiFilter or AESound ones.Bill Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum & Crock O' Gold 2.5! Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 1.3 and a PowerMac 8200/120 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 2102, GO COM A2)>>>>>   To Ewen, Bill, and anyone else lurking:"""""What Bill said was true for the BabelFish side, but completely misses thepoint. When a compiler creates code for a computer, it makes certainassumptions about registers and the like. Libraries also need to beinitialized.While _some_ subroutines written in ORCA/C may indeed run without problemswhen called by Babelfish, the only way to be _sure_ that happens is to makesure all of the assumptions made by the compiler, and all initializationneeded by any called libraries, have been taken care of. You sometimes needto initialize libraries even if you don't deliberately call them. Forexample, Bill's code dereferences an array. Depending on how big the arrayelements are and how he has set the optimize pragma, that could cause amultiply subroutine to be linked into the code. That's just the mostobvious example.As I tried to point out, there are several areas where some kind ofinitialization is required:1. Registers. Long (16 bit) registers are required on entry. They areprobably set that way. The data bank must point to the bank containingglobal data. Even if your program doesn't use global variables, some of thelibraries do. (No, there is no way to avoid that--in C anyway. errno byitself forces global variables on us, and errno is pervasive in C.) That'swhat the databank pragma is for. While there are cases where you can get bywithout using the databank pragma, I would suggest that it's fair to say itshould be required.2. Library initialization. You've got to check the libraries and make surethat any that require initialization have been initialized. I pointed outthe part of the ORCA/C manual that deals with this topic. If you don't readit before trying to write a code resource for Babelfish, and eithera. carefully initialize the ORCA/C environment fully, orb. verify carefully that no libraries that require initialization arelinked into your programthen you are doing yourself and the people who use your program a gravedisservice. Simply assuming that because something worked one time it willalways work is foolish. As one example: Say you do something innocent likeuse malloc() or fopen(). Those will set an error code in errno. If you havenot set the data bank properly, the actual bank where the errno value isset is, effectively, random. It may work--in fact, will probably work--manytimes, wiping out a word in memory that is not critical. But someday it'sgoing to do damage. That damage could have been avoided by properlyinitializing the compiler's environment or verifying that theinitialization was not needed.ORCA/C _can_ be used to safely write Babelfish translators. It's nottrivial, but it is possible. What Bill has recommended, though, isabsolutely, positively NOT safe.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2107, GO COM A2)NEW HO-REZ-ONS?   I couldn't find any subject threads about the Rez"""""""""""""""   resource compiler, so I figured I'd start one.Anyway, the "Types.rez" file I have is dated 1992 and doesn't include anyof the System 6.0.1 stuff.  Was a more recent one ever released?  Wouldthis now fall under the purview of A2Pro, along with the assignment of filetypes, etc.?--Steve Reeves                        (REEVESST, 2024, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I don't think there _were_ any changes in types.rez. If Apple made"""""   any, I missed them.System 6.0.1 did result in a lot of changes to interface and header files.You can get the latest when you upgrade your ORCA language to the mostrecent version. Disk upgrades are $7 per language (you need to own 2.x);upgrades from pre-2.x systems are more because you get a manual. You canalso get one disk upgrade free with any product you order, so get GSoftBASIC and get the latest disk upgrade for a 2.x ORCA language for free.If you are not using an ORCA language, you have two options. First, youcould buy one. :) Second, you could get Apple's interfaces:APDA-37 APW & MPW Interfaces for System 6.0.1 $20This is the official Apple interface release that all others (even ours)are built from.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2029, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Apple released an updated types.rez file when System 6.0.1 shipped;"""""   you need to buy something that comes with a more recent types.rezfile :)Mike'll probably have suggestions. :)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2027, GO COM A2)<<<<<   I did!  The Types.rez files that came with ORCA/C 2.1.0 and ORCA/M"""""   2.1.0 (both circa 1996) are bit-for-bit identical to the one in theSystem 6.0 With ORCA Interfaces package (circa 1992).Its no big deal to add the few new things for System 6.0.1, but it'd benice if we were all on the same page with respect to flag names and such.--Steve Reeves                        (REEVESST, 2032, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I ship the interfaces Apple supplied. Maybe I should fill in gaps"""""   they leave, especially at this late date, but I generally only dothat for the interfaces like ORCA/C and ORCA/Pascal, where I actually writethem. Unless I made a mistake, types.rez is what Apple supplied.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2035, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Here is the stuff that Apple left out of the "Types.rez" file.  Let"""""   me know if I missed anything.There is one modification that must be made to Types.rez.  Add this line tothe end of the editLineControl portion of the rControlTemplate definition(after line 803):                _mybase_ integer;           /* keyMask - 6.0.1 */The rest of these are equates you can put in another file to keep Types.rezsmall and as close to the original as possible: /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Flag equates for StatText controls /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define fSquishText         $0010 #define fTextCanDim         $0008 /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Flag equates for icon buttons /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define fSelectableIcon     $0010 #define fNoIconBorder       $0004 /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Flag equates for scroll bar controls /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define horScroll           $0010 #define rightFlag           $0008 #define leftFlag            $0004 #define downFlag            $0002 #define upFlag              $0001 /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Flag equates for size box controls /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define fCallWindowMgr      $0001 /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Password characters for LineEdit controls /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define defaultPwChar       $0000 #define notForPassword      $FFFF /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Key mask bits for LineEdit controls /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define specialEditingKey   $8000 #define digitKey            $4000 #define hexDigitKey         $2000 #define letterKey           $1000 #define nonControlKey       $0800 #define anyKey              $0001 /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* List types for list controls /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define fListScrollBar      $0004 #define fListSelect         $0002 #define fListString         $0001 /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Key modifier flags for keystroke equivalents /*-------------------------------------------------------*/ #define keyPad              $2000 #define controlKey          $1000 #define optionKey           $0800 #define capsLock            $0400 #define shiftKey            $0200 #define appleKey            $0100 #define btn0State           $0080 #define btn1State           $0040--Steve Reeves                        (REEVESST, 2047, GO COM A2)BYTEWORKS ON THE WEB   We've opened the doors on our new Byte Works web""""""""""""""""""""   site. While we're still adding new information andhaven't finished all of the cosmetic niceties, it's still the most completetechnical description of our product line ever published in one place.Check it out atwww.hypermall.com/byteworksMike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2053, GO COM A2)PAINTWORKS ANIMATION SPECS?   Nathan Mates created his own filetype note"""""""""""""""""""""""""""   for Paintworks animations, since there wasn'tone available. It may be on my hard drive, but I can't find it at themoment. If someone else has it, then I'm sure it can be shared. (I don'tremember any restrictive codicils on it). Otherwise, it has vanished in hisgrand suttee reformat.                         (GARETH, 2091, GO COM A2)>>>>>   There is no x,y coordinates in a paintworks anim."""""   PW anims are built up like this (I have to look it up as well):$8000 bytes of screen data2 bytes: animation speedrest of file consists of pairs of data:2 bytes: pointer in graphic screen $E12000+ptr2 bytes: data to be written at pointer location.An Anim routine would then work like this:lda [file_data],ytaxinyinylda [file_data],ytaxsta $e12000,xJesse Blue / NinjaforceCheck out our upcoming Apple IIGS game at:http://www.ninjaforce.home.ml.org                       (JESSEBLUE, 2103, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Yes, you can do that of course, but that would need rescaling the"""""   animation from the screen to the window, which would cost a lot ofspeed.But I assume that you already HAVE an animation (an animation that usesonly a small part of the screen), right?In that case, all you would have to do, if the animation fits into thewindow, is you take the offset (x,y) of the top left window pixel:address=y*160+x/2and add that to your animation offset, like this:lda [file_data],yclcadc address ;here!taxinyinylda [file_data],ysta $e12000,xSince I don't know very much about windows, etc. maybe somebody knows howthe exact update routine would work like?Jesse Blue / NinjaforceCheck out our upcoming Apple IIGS game at:http://www.ninjaforce.home.ml.org                       (JESSEBLUE, 2111, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Btw. If you want to make animations, check out ANIME, an NDA that"""""   does a good job on that. You can make animations very easily, viewthem while being in a paint program and save everything to a Paintworksanimation file.For our homepage location, see below.Jesse Blue / NinjaforceCheck out our upcoming Apple IIGS game at:http://www.ninjaforce.home.ml.org                       (JESSEBLUE, 2112, GO COM A2)ALTERING TRANSWARP GS SPEEDS   You can write a program that controls the""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   speed of a TWGS; however, TWGS cards canonly be speed-adjusted to 1 MHz (slow), 2.6 MHz (fast), and whatever thefastest possible speed is that's supported by the card.ZipGS cards, on the other hand, can be set to any of 16 speeds, rangingfrom very slow (on the order of a few kHz) to full speed.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2101, GO COM A2)NEW ORCA/C HEADERS?   I've begun work on my own set of C headers for"""""""""""""""""""   ORCA/C; I don't personally care for the choices oftypes for some of the prototypes of functions. Once I've done all that(probably will take a while :), I'll look and tidying up types.rez too.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2037, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Frankly, neither do I. There is one point you should consider,"""""   though. The ORCA/C interfaces use the type Apple documents in thetoolbox reference manual (the only printed reference we have) unless thetype Apple documented just flat won't work. If you change that, the resultis a set of interfaces that can't be used unless you have a copy of eachand every header file available as you program. It will also mean thatsource code is not compatible between programs written under the two setsof header files.At the very least, I'd implore you to make sure all of your file names areunique so all of the existing headers, as well as your new ones, can livein the same folder. That will make the job of compiling programs writtenunder different headers a lot easier.Even better, don't do it. The confusion a second set of header files willcause is, in my opinion, far worse than any potential gain.And there are far better projects to spend time on--like a set of librariesthat use 32 bit int, so UNIX ports are easier. (There is an undocumentedORCA/C directive that causes int to be treated as 32 bit, but you need 32bit libraries to make effective use of the directive.)Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2042, GO COM A2)<<<<<   I'm not sure why it would be bad for me to have my own set of"""""   headers that I can use without having to look stuff up in theheaders constantly to figure out which bizarre type they're using.I mean, it gets a little tedious when half the TextEdit calls useCtlRecHndl for the handle to a TextEdit record, and the other half useTERecord **. The amount of type-casting I have to do is tiresome.I also don't see why I'd need to have two sets of headers; once I'veupdated all my code to use my own headers, they'll work fine from then onout and the old ones can be happily forgotten.As for the 32-bit integer thing: I'd love to have a library like that, andI hope someone does it... me, I have to many projects on my plate already,or I'd do it myself. :(I think I'm overextended (pardon the upcoming blathering, I'm thinkingaloud :)... I'm simultaneously working on Shifty List 2.0.1 (hopefully donenext week), WebWorks GS 1.2, a general-purpose GS Installer/Updater packagewith an Installer Builder application, a major BeOS project of epicproportions, a series of articles on GSoft BASIC programming, documentationfor the BeOS R4 Media Kit, and these new headers I'm toying with. It's abusy life. ;)Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2044, GO COM A2)>>>>>   The problem comes if any of the following ever happens:"""""1. You distribute your new header files.2. You distribute the source to any of your programs.3. You try to compile someone else's program on your system.All of those situations imply that two different sets of headers must existon one machine, unless you somehow think that the entire world willinstantly convert every program ever written in ORCA/C to use your headers.Personally, I think it's a bad idea to create the second set of headers atall, but I'm sure there will be some people who will like the idea. I'malso certain that there will be a lot of people who continue to use the oldheaders, and a huge amount of source that will never be converted to usethe new headers. So, if you do it, I do have that one very concretesuggestion: use unique file names so the headers can all coexistpeacefully. That way people really can keep both sets of headers on thesame machine, and the compiler will use whichever set the source needs.There are two simple ways to do this.1. Name all of your files with some unique, predictable prefix or suffix.For example, start each file name with an S for Sheppy, as inStypes.hSgsos.hIf a name would be longer that 15 characters, truncate the last one.2. Less C-like, but perfectly effective, is to replace .h with somethingelse, like .s for sheppy or .i for interface:types.igsos.sLike I said, I hope you don't do it at all. I do not believe the confusionwhen (not if!) you finally put those interfaces out into the publics graspwill not be worth any potential gain. But it's your decision, and I assumeyou'll go ahead with the project. Making that assumption, I really hope youuse some sort of unique file names so both sets of headers can coexist.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 2050, GO COM A2)>>>>>   if I may butt in: How about using the ORCA/C command-line include"""""   path statement to keep the headers separate?Like, say, you want to compile something that uses Sheppy's headers, youcould do:occ -c -I /usr/local/sheppyinclude myfile.cOK, so I'm biased. :)compile myfile.c cc=(-I 13:sheppyinclude) keep=myfilewould work just as well, of course (if I didn't forget some hyphens inthere somewhere).Soenke                        (SBEHRENS, 2051, GO COM A2)<<<<<   Mike, if I ever distribute my custom headers (which I've never said"""""   I was going to do), I'll give them all unique names. That seemsfairly obvious to me as a necessary step.But for me, I'm just going to replace my headers and fix my sources to usethem. Should make all my code easier to read and probably will help isolatesome bugs I never found before.Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdMacintosh & PowerPC Programmers Forum                         (SHEPPY, 2052, GO COM A2)MORE HABANERO HUMOR"""""""""""""""""""Windows '98 source code.    TOP SECRET Microsoft(c)  Code    Project: Chicago(tm)    Projected release-date: MAY 1998   $History$*/#include "win31.h"#include "win95.h"#include "evenmore.h"#include "oldstuff.h"#include "billrulz.h"#define INSTALL = HARDchar make_prog_look_big[1600000];void main(){   while(!CRASHED)    {       display_copyright_message();       display_bill_rules_message();       do_nothing_loop();      if (first_time_installation)        {            make_50_megabyte_swapfile();            do_nothing_loop();            totally_screw_up_HPFS_file_system();            search_and_destroy_the_rest_of_OS/2();            hang_system();        }        write_something(anything);        display_copyright_message();        do_nothing_loop();        do_some_stuff();        if (still_not_crashed)        {            display_copyright_message();            do_nothing_loop();            basically_run_windows_3.1();            do_nothing_loop();            do_nothing_loop();        }    }   if (detect_cache())       disable_cache();   if (fast_cpu())    {        set_wait_states(lots);        set_mouse(speed, very_slow);        set_mouse(action, jumpy);        set_mouse(reaction, sometimes);    }    /* printf("Welcome to Windows 3.11"); */    /* printf("Welcome to Windows 95"); */    printf("Welcome to Windows 98");    if (system_ok())        crash(to_dos_prompt);    else        system_memory = open("a:\swp0001.swp" O_CREATE);    while(something)    {        sleep(5);        get_user_input();        sleep(5);        act_on_user_input();        sleep(5);    }   create_general_protection_fault();}                        (HABANERO, 1977, GO COM A2)[EOA][WEB]------------------------------                  WEB SLINGING 101 |-----------------------------------HALFWAY THERE: UPLOADING TO DELPHI VIA FTP""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                    [thelamp@delphi.com]                         AVOIDING THE BINARY BLUES                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     In the second installment of this series, I talked about variations onthe telnet theme and how you could attempt to address problems with filetransfers and telnet connections.  If you've tried all of these things andare still having problems, there is another solution, at least foruploading--using Delphi's built-in Internet tools to move files into yourDelphi workspace, then copy the files to the Database of A2 or anotherForum.     In this article, we'll go into some detail on the multi-step processof getting a file into a Delphi Database using these Internet tools.  Wewill not cover such steps in the process as figuring out keywords to searchon or file naming conventions.  For more assistance, you may want to checkthe message thread "Uploading Suggestions" in the General Chatter area ofthe A2 Forum on Delphi.     In order to use the Delphi's Internet tools to get files into theForum Database, these are the steps to follow:1) Place the file you wish to download in a space where you can useDelphi's Internet tools to access it;2) Use Delphi's Internet tools (likely either File Transfer Protocol, akaFTP, or Delphi's version of Lynx, to place the file into your DelphiWorkspace;3) Go to the Database of the Forum you wish to place your file in;4) Copy the file from your Delphi Workspace to the Database.     To accomplish step one, you'll likely need some kind of publiclyaccessible ftp site where you can leave your files temporarily.  SomeInternet Service Providers (ISPs) give users public FTP space to placefiles they want accessible, or a file could even be placed in a public HTMLspace and brought to the area you want using Lynx.  If you don't have sucha space provided by your ISP, you may need to place files on a public FTPserver, which is far beyond the scope of this document.     Once your files are in such a space, use Delphi's Internet tools tomove them to your Delphi Workspace.  To get to these tools, you need to goto Delphi's Computing and Technology Navigating The Net page.  To do this,from any main Delphi prompt, simply type:GO COM NAVAnd press return.  This will lead you to a screen that looks something likethis:[BEGINNING OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------                       NAVIGATING THE NETS  Welcome to Navigating the Nets! This Delphi Community is the place to  get help in exploring the World Wide Web and the Internet and  to share  your experiences with others. When you need a break from surfing the  nets, or just want good companionship, join us in the message forum or  in chat. Whether you are joining us from textside or webside, drop in  anytime. There is always something interesting going on.         Walt Howe (walthowe@delphi.com)Navigating the Net Menu:Conference                  Lynx (VT-100 Web Browser)Databases (Files)           TelnetForum (Messages)            Utility (finger,traceroute,ping,whois)Internet Navigator          Usenet Groups via nnMail (Electronic)           FTP-File Transfer ProtocolSet Preferences             HelpWho's Here                  ExitWorkspace                   AuditoriumIRC- Internet Relay ChatNAVIGATING>What do you want to do?[END OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------------     It's likely you will want to use the FTP option to move the files toyour Delphi Workspace, although it is possible you may want to use Lynx ifyou've placed the files in an HTML area rather than a FTP area.  If youwant to use FTP, simply type:FTPand hit return.  You will then see a prompt that looks like this:[BEGINNING OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------Enter destination INTERNET address:[END OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------------     Here you put in the name of the FTP server you will be getting thefiles from.  Let's say in this case the file you wish to get to Delphi isin a private area at ftp.sheppyware.net.  Type in "ftp.sheppyware.net"without the quotes and press return.  You will be prompted for a username:[BEGINNING OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------Enter username (default: anonymous):[END OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------------     As the file I want to get to a private area on this server, I need toenter my personal username and, when prompted, my personal password.     If your file is on a publicly accessible FTP server, you may be ableto access the file via "anonymous" FTP.  If this is the case, you can usethe usual anonymous FTP login procedure: use the username "anonymous" andyour email address as a password.     Once you have logged in, you can simply use the FTP command "GET" totransfer copies of the files on the FTP server to your Delphi workspace.Say the file we wish to transfer is named mfaq.bxy.  We first issue thecommand "BIN" by typing "bin" and hitting return, to ensure a binarytransfer (as opposed to a text one, as this is a binary and not a textfile), then enter:get mfaq.bxyand hit return.  You will see the following:[BEGINNING OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------200 PORT command successful.150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for mfaq.bxy (13184 bytes).226 Transfer complete.FTP>[END OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------------and, magically, the file will be in your Delphi Workspace.     You can then exit FTP using the "bye" command.     Once you are out of FTP, use the "workspace" command to enter yourDelphi Workspace.  At that point, you will see a listing of files in yourDelphi Workspace, which will include the transferred file, as in thisexample:[BEGINNING OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------MFAQ.BXY;1                26/36      20-SEP-1998 08:30:34.91[END OF SCREEN EXAMPLE ]------------------------------------------     You may want to jot the filename down, ignoring the ";1".     At this point you will want to enter the Database of the Delphi Forumwhere you want to submit the file.  You will be prompted to choose a Topic,then begin the process by entering Submit.  While it is possible tocomplete the process a number of ways, it is strongly suggested you enterBegin to begin the process of submitting the file, which will take youthrough a step-by-step process to get the various pieces of information onthe file you are placing in the Database, including such things as keywordsto search on and a description of the file.  Finally, instead of choosingthe Upload option to upload the file, choose the Copy option to copy thefile from your database.  You will be prompted for the filename (which youDID jot down), and other information.     You have now mastered the art of getting a file into the Delphidatabase without having to use a protocol transfer via telnet, which isproblematic for many users.  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