From ts@uwasa.fi  Sun Mar 21 19:15:00 1993
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: pc/pd2/tspost25.zip file description
To: ts@uwasa.fi  (Timo Salmi)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 6:46:16 EET
Status: RO

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
! This file is in mail format, so you can also read it with any !
! suitable Unix mail program such as elm: (elm -f post25.txt).  !
! On a PC /pc/mail/rmail*.zip is a convenient alternative       !
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

   This is the twenty-fifth file that contains my replies and
comments that I or others have made by email, or just written here
instead of posting to (mainly to) news:comp.archives.msdos.d, or
postings that I wanted to retain for your information.
   Note that the latest tspost??.zip is always being updated until
it contains 30 messages. The files are located at the /pc/pd2
directory.
   For an index of all the completed tspost*.zip files please see
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip.
   Please also see http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbo.html#faq

Please note that this index is in reverse order:

1   Dec 31 To Timo Salmi      (27)   pc/pd2/tspost25.zip file description
2   Feb 19 Timo Salmi         (49)   Re: Garbo CD-ROM distr. allowed: No
3   Feb 15 To Ed Hoveland     (100)  Re: Optimal Credit Expansion Strateg
4   Feb 1  To Mattias Carlsso (101)  Re: Timo's Wordlist 2.3
5   Jan 27 To kaliss@sdn.com  (74)   Re: ROSWELL1.ZIP  ROSWELL - U.F.O. T
6   Jan 10 To ian@aesop.ru.ac (68)   Re: PESTIKID.EXE feedback
7   Nov 17 To Ronald R. Windh (47)   Re: Flag Game
8   Nov 17 To Valued uploader (80)   Re: Putting announcements into files
9   Oct 17 Timo Salmi         (51)   Garbo's present uploading addresses
10  Oct 17 Timo Salmi         (52)   Re: Don't announce Finnish BBS list
11  Oct 16 James Nash         (52)   Batch trick # 25
12  Oct 16 To Disgruntled Gar (93)   Re: xxx_samp.zip ... Package uploade
13  Oct 15 To A Garbo User    (57)   Re: fi961009.zip Phone number list o
14  Oct 12 Timo Salmi         (33)   Re: 0unix.dir - what do I do with it
15  Sep 15 Vernon Frazee      (78)   LEVEL.BAT / EL.BAT
16  Sep 15 To Garbo Uploader  (42)   About the Garbo submission sheet
17  Sep 1  Timo Salmi         (44)   Re: Windows uploading to Garbo
18  Aug 27 To WayneH37@aol.co (49)   Re: TS4ST Correlation analysis
19  Aug 22 To Howard Schwartz (61)   Re: Recent uploads info at Garbo
20  Jul 18 Timo Salmi         (65)   Re: Best FTP-sites to upload your pr
21  Jul 15 Timo Salmi         (144)  Re: http vs. ftp
22  Jul 13 To Ralph Dodds     (79)   Re: Old Garbo software
23  Jul 1  Timo Salmi         (175)  What is garbo.uwasa.fi
24  Jun 28 Timo Salmi         (34)   Re: A free CD-ROM copy required
25  May 25 Jay Respler        (23)   Batch help reply
26  May 24 To Milt Haylett    (45)   Re: A corruption in tsbat48.zip
27  May 13 To Carcajou Softwa (36)   Re: Garbo archives / expireware
28  May 5  Timo Salmi         (33)   About Turbo Pascal TPU submissions t
29  May 4  Timo Salmi         (69)   Re: Can't get a file from Garbo
30  May 1  To Salman Halim    (44)   Re: Pricing a Garbo submission


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed May  1 10:45:54 1996
Subject: Re: Pricing a Garbo submission
To: s0h7390@cs.tamu.edu (Salman Halim)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:45:54 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

: dear mr. salmi,

Hello Salman,

Please just call me Timo.

: i have written a text-substitution utility -- almost a
: language-independent macro pre-processor -- and was interested in
: uploading it onto your ftp site. i have the two UPLOAD/UPTEXT files.
: my question is more one of advice:  what do you think is the
: standard range for payment?  is fifteen dollars too much?
: (US$15.00); furthermore, how much more should i charge in event of
: corporate distributions?  i felt you were a good source to ask
: because you probably see more new software in a day than i do in a
: month.

As an archive site maintainer I would prefer leave the pricing
judgement to the authors and keep a certain distance from this side
of things as long as we stay within a reasonable range as you do.

But there is a good newsgroup news:alt.comp.shareware.programmer
which is particularly suited for your question, since it is
frequented by a number of experienced shareware authors. I'll make
an edited copy to that newsgroup of your question.

: i hope i've not inconvenienced you too much.  thank you for any
: advice you can offer.
:
: salman.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sat May  4 07:49:31 EET DST 1996
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: Can't get a file from Garbo
Date: 4 May 1996 04:48:49 -0000
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: RO

A Garbo user wrote in an email to me:
> > 26956 Mar 6 15:22 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/moder57.zip
> > moder57.zip A list of MS-DOS FTP sites and moderators, T.Salmi

> I've tried to download that file (with direct connect via my WSFTP and
> via two "ftp via e-mail servers") but I failed every time.

Hello Dear Garbo User,

Of course it failed, since you are using an out of date file
reference.

> Can you send it to me as an attach.

Sorry to have to respond bluntly to your request.

No, dear Garbo User, absolutely not! If I ever began to consent to
such requests to act as a human Garbo mail server that's all I would
have the time for. First please get Garbo's current relevant file
list when you are having problems of getting a particular file from
our site. Garbo's file lists are (in this case use INDEX.ZIP)

 119679 May 3 16:06 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/INDEX.ZIP
 INDEX.ZIP The annotated list of Garbo's MS-DOS files, zipped

 21900 Apr 28 18:05 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/INDEXTS.ZIP
 INDEXTS.ZIP Details of the contents of each TS-package in zipped form

 21993 May 3 16:17 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/windows/WINDEX.ZIP
 WINDEX.ZIP Zipped version of WINDEX - lists all Garbo Windows files

 6660 May 3 16:18 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/UINDEX.ZIP
 UINDEX.ZIP List of garbo.uwasa.fi Unix files in zipped form

 6260 Feb 3 00:25 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/ql/QLINDEX
 QLINDEX This file (List of garbo.uwasa.fi Sinclair QL files).

 2901 Aug 22 1995 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/mac/MINDEX
 MINDEX list of garbo.uwasa.fi Mac files

The proper file reference for my FTP site list is

 27491 Apr 20 00:34 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/moder58.zip
 moder58.zip A list of MS-DOS FTP sites and moderators, T.Salmi

Since this list is fairly frequently updated it also is available
without the version number as

 27491 Apr 20 00:34 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/link/moder.zip
 moder.zip MS-DOS FTP sites & moderators, linked from /pc/pd2, T.Salmi

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun May  5 08:07:28 EET DST 1996
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.lang.pascal.borland,comp.lang.pascal.misc
Subject: About Turbo Pascal TPU submissions to Garbo archives
Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: 5 May 1996 07:54:34 +0300
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Keywords: garbo, msdos
Status: RO

The Garbo's Valued Uploaders,

As you probably know we are particularly interested in Turbo Pascal
related submissions. One category of these submissions are the
various authors' TPU units.

If you make such a submission to Garbo, please include a TEST.PAS or
a similar program that demonstrates the usage of your unit. I do not
require revealing your source code, but I do require a source code
test file before I consider a TPU unit submission. This is both for
user-friendliness and for easier to be able to verify that your unit
compiles and works.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Mon May 13 21:15:30 1996
Subject: Re: Garbo archives / expireware
To: carcajou@sun.tir.com (Carcajou Software)
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:15:30 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

> Question: We recently downloaded your instructions for uploads and found
> that Garbo does not except files that have "fixed date" limits.  Does
> this mean that if the program stops working on "6/6/96" that we can not
> upload it or if the program stops working 15 days after install or both?

Hello Michael,

If the program stops working on "6/6/96" then the program would not
be acceptable at Garbo and would be discarded outright. But if the
program stops working 15 days after install, then the submission is
welcome and would be considered.

However, if the latter alternative hides the information deep within
the user's harddisk as extra hard-to-locate files, that method would
not be acceptable. The reason is somewhat selfish. We Garbo
moderators do not wish to hunt the remnants all over our own hard
disks after we have tested a submission.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland





From ts@uwasa.fi Fri May 24 19:27:06 1996
Subject: Re: A corruption in tsbat48.zip
To: milt.haylett@dojo.cts.com (Milt Haylett)
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 19:27:06 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

> The file TSBAT48.ZIP contains a file DOSTRICK.TXT which is
> corrupted. You may want to have someone review it. I received the
> zip file by ftpmail@wcarchive.cdrom.com on 5/21/96.

Hello Milt,

Thank you for reporting this and your interest in my batch file
collection. I appreciate it.

The copy at Garbo is ok, and so probably is the one on wcarchive.
These problems occasionally occur and are almost invariably caused
by a user failure to transfer the file in the binary mode at all the
phases. Furthermore, in case you are using a WWW browser like
Netscape 1.22, they sometimes break the binary file. In that case
first exit and reaload your browser. All in all the best course of
action is to download the file anew.

Just in case, I checked the validity of the file on Garbo

 123072 Apr 28 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsbat48.zip
 tsbat48.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks, T.Salmi

>unzip -t /pc/ts/tsbat48.zip
    testing: ADDPATH.BAT              OK
    :
    testing: DOSTRICK.TXT             OK
    :
    testing: ZOO2ZIP.BAT              OK
No errors detected in compressed data of /pc/ts/tsbat48.zip.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From jrespler@nj5.injersey.com  Sat May 25 11:23:21 1996
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 04:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Respler <jrespler@injersey.com>
To: ts@reimari.uwasa.fi
Subject: Batch help reply
Status: RO

Hello Timo.
>:I would like to make a bat do one of 2 functions.  Upon starting the bat,
>:it should prompt for a 1 character user input.
>
>The necessary tricks are covered in
>
> 123072 Apr 28 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsbat48.zip
> tsbat48.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks, T.Salmi

I got your useful file and learned some new things. Thank you for your help.

 JRespler@InJersey.com   or   Jay.Respler@bytewise.org
    Satellite Tracker * Early Typewriter Collector
               Freehold, New Jersey


From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Jun 28 11:17:51 EET DST 1996
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce
Subject: Re: A free CD-ROM copy required
Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: 28 Jun 1996 08:10:34 -0000
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: RO

A Valued Garbo Uploader wrote in his upload announcement:

> Garbo CD-ROM distribution allowed: Yes (but free copy required)

Sorry Dear Garbo Uploader, but no such special condition can be
imposed. We are not in a position to make that promise. You'll
either have to change the condition or withdraw your welcome
submission. If there ever is a Garbo CD-ROM you can naturally
contact the producer and ask them for a free copy, but we cannot
accept making your wish a precondition.

The only acceptable answer to this part of Garbo's upload submission
formula is an unqualified yes. The item is included to ensure that
there is no limitation, or if there is, to detect it in time.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@UWasa.Fi Wed Jul  3 09:39:29 EET DST 1996
From: ts@UWasa.Fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.archives.ms-windows.announce
Subject: What is garbo.uwasa.fi
Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: 1 Jul 1996 20:59:48 +0300
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Keywords: garbo
Status: RO

In case you are not familiar with Garbo archives here is an outline.
Garbo (http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ and ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/) is located
at the University of Vaasa, Finland. It is a joint effort of the
Computer Centre and the Department of Accounting and Finance at the
university. Garbo archives has a carefully specialized collection
shareware, freeware and public domain programs available by
anonymous FTP (File Transfer Protocol), a mail server, and through
World Wide Web. Garbo is currently run on a Linux Pentium. See
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbo.html#faq for a Garbo FAQ. Program
authors, please see http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbinfo/garb1996.html
for Garbo's current uploads open/closed status.

The scope of the Garbo archives at the end of the year:
           996 1997 1998 1999      1996 1997 1998 1999
           --- ---- ---- ----      ---- ---- ---- ----
 /pc       675  712  726  732 Mb   5249 5463 5525 5561 MS-DOS files
 /windows  309  314  324  324 Mb   1045 1054 1065 1064 Windows 3.1x files
 /win95     30   31   31   31 Mb    113  114  114  114 Windows 95 files
 /linux      2  129  129    2 Mb      6   48   48    7 Linux files
 /unix      64   66   71   70 Mb    370  378  393  392 Unix files
 /mac       49   53   53   55 Mb    143  147  147  149 Mac files
 /next      40   40   40   40 Mb    132  132  132  132 Next files
 /X11        9    9    9    9 Mb     91   91   91   91 X11 files
 /ql         1    1    1    1 Mb    104  104  110  111 Sinclair QL files

The downlods are made worldwide by users from Internet sites in
Europe, North America, Asia, Australia, Africa and South America.
There are some 2000 universities connected to Internet, and there is
also a great number of business enterprises which have an access.
Garbo archives are mirrored by about ten FTP sites around the
world for the local users.

Garbo works in cooperation rather than in direct competition with
the general scope sites on the net. Being a university site Garbo's
general mission can be stated as "The enhancement of skills,
rational knowledge and scientific understanding". To advance these
goals Garbo has much material that, while specialized, is hoped to
be of general, knowledge related interest. Thus Garbo is more of a
theme oriented than a large-number-of-programs oriented repository.
The main themes for Garbo are:
  - Programming, especially Turbo Pascal programming material (nr #1)
  - A large astronomy images section to enhance interest in science
  - Various information files
  - MS-DOS batches and related material
  - Archiver programs and utilities
  - Virus scanners
  - General utilities
  - PC system information utilities
  - Mathematical and statistical programs
  - Educational games
  - AI and Neural Networks related files
  - Editors, terminal programs, linguistics, etc
We also seek to increase the availability of research papers in FTP
and/or WWW format.

The main file indexes at Garbo are

 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/INDEX.ZIP
 The annotated list of Garbo's MS-DOS files, zipped

 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/INDEXTS.ZIP
 Details of the contents of each TS-package in zipped form

 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/windows/WINDEX.ZIP
 Zipped version of WINDEX - lists all Garbo Windows 3.1x files

 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/win95/W95INDEX.ZIP
 The annotated list of Garbo's Windows95 files, zipped

 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/UINDEX.ZIP
 List of garbo.uwasa.fi Unix files in zipped form

 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/ql/QLINDEX
 Annotated list of garbo.uwasa.fi Sinclair QL files

There also is a simple search engine utilizing Garbo's files indexes
at http://garbo.uwasa.fi/gsearch.html

If you wish to ask about submitting material to Garbo archives,
please see the http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbinfo/garb1996.html "What
is Garbo's current incoming uploads open/closed status?"

   All the best, Timo


-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:36:40 +0300 (EET DST)
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-To: A Garbo User
-Subject: Re: What is garbo.uwasa.fi

Hello Garbo User,

: I was pleased to see an article with the above subject. But it
: turns out that you did not explain what I have been wondering about.
: Namely, what is the relationship between Garbo, SimTel.Net, and
: Walnut Creek?

There is no relationship as such. Garbo is an entirely independent
operation, even if, naturally, the maintainers often are in contact.

: I am beginning to get Coast-to-Coast and Walnut Creek straightened
: out, but I still do not quite see how Garbo fits in on a relative
: basis.

Archive sites like Simtel.Net and Coast-to-Coast are broad scope
sites that invite the whole gamut of material for all the major PC
OSes. Garbo is a more specialized operation. Our main area is MS-DOS
even if we have material for Windows 3.1x, Windows 95, Unix, Mac and
Sinclair QL as well. Furthermore, within MS-DOS we have the
specializations I wrote about. Besides, we have the strong
educational interest which I also wrote about.

Although there naturally is much overlap, Garbo is not a subset of
the other sites. In fact, in advance thinking to the contrary, I
made a survey about it a couple of years ago. To my surprise well
over a quarter of our files were unique even then. We also carry
some sections that the referred sites do not. Most importantly there
is Garbo's scientific astronomy images collection which has grown
fairly large and quite popular. You can connect to it also directly
using http://garbo.uwasa.fi/Astro.html.

Additional differences are to be found in the arrangement and
descriptions of the material at Garbo. We have a unique directory
structure which we have independently developed ourselves. Our file
descriptions in our indexes also are somewhat different from the
others, as you can see if you compare files that happen to overlap.

Quality control is a delicate issue, since there is no doubt that
also the other sites do very well. However, at least earlier, there
have been a few cases when we have been even more demanding than the
broad-scope sites before accepting material to our archives. In
particular, I am distressed to see material that relates to
counter-scientific humbug areas such as numerology, astrology,
prophesies and other forms of fringe science entertainment that in
the final analysis prey on man's dark-age superstitions and
ignorance.

To summarize, there are some features that underlie Garbo. Its
scientific university background and its specializations. These make
for the the biggest differences. Simtel.Net and Coast-to-Coast are
broad-scope commercial sites drawing their income and their
maintainers' salaries from CD-ROM sales. There is no secret about
Garbo's true purpose either. In the end it is to provide a platform
for an international publicity of the scientific work that we do at
the state-owned University of Vaasa, even if Garbo does it in a
roundabout way.

One final piece of information. In case you are interested how Garbo
came to be, and where her name came from, please see

 5592 Aug 18 1992 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/garbohis.zip
 garbohis.zip A popularized history of Garbo archives by Timo Salmi

: Since others are probably similarly confused, you might want to post
: the answer.

Yes, I will.

   All the best, Timo

-- 
Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland
Timo's  FAQ  materials  at   http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/tsfaq.html




From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Jul 13 13:57:41 1996
Subject: Re: Old Garbo software
To: qgve09a@ix.netcom.com (Ralph Dodds)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:57:41 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

> Dear Professor.

Hello Ralph!

>         I don`t know if you are one I should make these
> comments to. Perhaps you would be kind enough to pass them on to the
> proper people, in the interest of more current software on Garbo.

Yes, I am the right person for these comments, but I'll also copy
all this to my fellow moderators. Besides this may be of general
interest, so I'll also post this response.

>         In general, I wonder if many of the utilities,programs, etc, I
> looked at in the DOS section shouldn`t be deleted for lack of
> applicability in these"modern" computer times? Files dated 85,and a few
> even earlier,if I remember correctly, can`t be in too much demand these
> days.

Contrary to what one would think, this is not always the case. There
are some excellent utilities that date back to the 1980's. In fact
some of the best small auxiliary programs were programmed then. A
good example is the PC Magazine utilities collection.

>I found a section labeled golden oldies. Why not put only the ones
> worth keeping(rated Good or better, and dump the others?several
> utilities,all doing the same thing, all can`t be of equal value, can
> they?

The goldies directory is for retained superseded versions. That is
not necessarily in any way related to how far back the goldies
versions date.

>         Specifics on an outdated pgm is found in
> WWW/windows.Modsta17.zip. I have 18 and I think 19 is out.

This is a double dilemma. First it is up to the authors or trusted
Garbo users to upload the new versions. We can't go hunting for
them. Second, we had to have our Windows uploading section closed
for half a year because of lack of maintainer capacity.

>         Believe me, I understand the problem in keeping files current. My
> experience is that the active authors continually update their baby. When
> I see a shareware pgm dtd 1994 or earlier, I figure the author is dead or
> satisfied, and not supporting it. I`m sure there are other reasons but
> my notes to them usually go unanswered. I sure don`t want to send money
> to one for a file that old.

I understand, but I think you are putting slightly too much emphasis
on the programs having to be absolutely recent. Furthermore, in my
opinion the less support a program needs, the better in fact.
Besides, although a majority of the programs at Garbo are shareware,
there is a lot of freeware and public domain material around that
still is very useful even if old and with no author to give free
advice.

I am very pleased that you wrote. I am not discarding your views by
any means, but I wish to point out that there are several
alternative ways of looking into this issue.

>                                                 Sincerely
>                                                 Ralph Dodds


   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@reimari.uwasa.fi Mon Jul 15 22:47:33 EET DST 1996
From: ts@reimari.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: http vs. ftp
Date: 15 Jul 1996 22:47:07 +0300
Organization: University ov Vaasa
Status: RO

In article <31EB19B0.51F8@ibm.net>, Jonathan Rosenne  <rosenne@ibm.net> wrote:
:Which is better for downloading software, http or ftp? Is ther a
:difference in performance?

In fact, performance is not the main issue here, but presentation.
Originally FTP sites offered the FTP and sometimes to mail server
options for downloading. Of these FTP is preferable, since it takes
up less resources. Later, with the explosive proliferation of WWW,
many sites now have this, often much more visually attractive format
on the side.

To compare, try with your WWW browser, for example

ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/

http://garbo.uwasa.fi/

You'll realize the difference right away. My prediction is that once
you have used the latter, the WWW option will become your
preference. The advantage I can think of with still using ftp is
that you can leave the downloads into the background with
facilities like

 29520 Nov 23 1992 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/networking/batchftp102.tar.Z
 batchftp102.tar.Z Get/put files automatically by FTP (a definite must!)

 1875 Jun 20 1995 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/networking/batchftp.inf
 batchftp.inf Timo's instructions for using batchftp

Very convenient if the lines are busy.

Furthermore, WWW allows specialized arrangements. For example, try

http://garbo.uwasa.fi/Astro.html

Incidentally, there is a kind of a side effect to the WWW pages
development. WWW has brought on parasites (if you pardon the pun)
which actually are but link collections to files that the proper
sites have tested, virus checked, maintain and carry. Mostly, I do
not object (since one has to live with the times), as long as they
do not mispresent themselves of being something else than WWW link
services instead of shareware sites proper. Unfortunately, there
have been cases of such mispresentation, which I have good reason to
suspect have been deliberate.

   All the best, Timo

-Date: 16 Jul 1996 07:18:42 +0300
-From: ts@reimari.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: http vs. ftp

In article <4seui9$5b6@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Yves Bellefeuille <an448@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
:Jonathan Rosenne (rosenne@ibm.net) writes:
:
:> Which is better for downloading software, http or ftp? Is ther a
:> difference in performance?
:
:I have to disagree with Timo on this one. My downloads are almost always
:faster with FTP than WWW. I don't know if the difference is due to the net

No disagreement. To recount, my point was that on the current scene
the WWW option seems the most modern and often is the most
informative. For best efficiency, in particular if the site tends to
be busy, the background ftp was my recommendation. That,
incidentally, is the option I use myself most often. It comes down
to which aspect one is interest in.

   All the best, Timo

-Date: 17 Jul 1996 20:55:02 +0300
-From: ts@reimari.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: http vs. ftp

In article <4sgq45$p0a@mailnews.kub.nl>,
Perry Rovers <Perry.Rovers@IAEhv.nl> wrote:

:but I've found that especially large files tend to get transferred very slow
:and sometimes are corrupted on arrival when downloaded using http. I've
:never had any troubles with ftp with any kind of file.

Yes, I've noticed the same problem. In fact I have in the
newsgroup's FAQ:

"The World Wide Web has added the possibility of getting the files
from the archive sites also with the WWW browser programs. It
appears that (at least with some of the browser versions) in a long
session the browser gets confused and cannot get the files in the
proper format. If you are experiencing such problems, exit your
browser, reload it, and then try to get the target file anew."

   All the best, Timo

-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:05:59 GMT
-From: w8sdz@Simtel.Net (Keith Petersen)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: http vs. ftp

Perry.Rovers@IAEhv.nl writes:
>On 16 Jul 1996 02:25:13 GMT Yves Bellefeuille (an448@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote in comp.archives.msdos.d:
>: Jonathan Rosenne (rosenne@ibm.net) writes:
>: > Which is better for downloading software, http or ftp? Is ther a
>: > difference in performance?

>: I have to disagree with Timo on this one. My downloads are almost always
>: faster with FTP than WWW. I don't know if the difference is due to the net
>: or to the FTP/WWW application or what, but it definitely exists.

>I have to agree with Yves and Timo here :)
>but I've found that especially large files tend to get transferred very slow
>and sometimes are corrupted on arrival when downloaded using http. I've
>never had any troubles with ftp with any kind of file.

Some earlier versions of Trumpet Winsock caused corruption of downloaded
files but that was some time ago.  Version 2.1f has been out for some
time and is stable.

Some earlier versions of Netscape had problems with http downloads.
Recent versions (2.0 and higher) have corrected that problem.  I have not
had any corrupted http downloads using stable versions of Winsock and
Netscape.

The trick to improving http download performance is to try a larger
network buffer in Netscape.  The default is 6k.  Mine is set for 16k.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen, General Manager of Simtel(tm)
Simtel.Net is a service mark of Walnut Creek CDROM
Internet: w8sdz@Simtel.Net            http://www.simtel.net/simtel.net/
Uucp: uunet!simtel.net!w8sdz           ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet



From ts@reimari.uwasa.fi Sat Jul 20 08:29:33 EET DST 1996
From: ts@reimari.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.archives.ms-windows.discuss
Subject: Re: Best FTP-sites to upload your programs ??
Followup-To: alt.comp.shareware.programmer
Date: 18 Jul 1996 19:43:35 +0300
Organization: University ov Vaasa
Status: RO

In article <I44lloAZqd7xEw3X@musical.demon.co.uk>,
David Webber  <dave@musical.demon.co.uk> wrote:
(in alt.comp.shareware)

:2. garbo.uwasa.fi
:
:This is an excellent site. (I think they're not currently accepting
:Windows programs, owing to shortage of manpower, but check them out.)

Fortunately, at the moment (Sat 20-Jul-96) we can handle Windows
uploads again. Mind you, though, we have a Windows 3.x section. We
do not carry Windows 95 only programs. That project has had to be
frozen to an indefinite future. (Epilogue: Garbo's Windows 95
section was finally opened in October 1996)

:They're especially good for DOS utilities.  I believe Garbo is also

Although we have the other sections (Windows 3.x, Unix, Sinclair
QL), we indeed specialize in this part including good general
utilities, Turbo Pascal material, genuinely educational games,
scientific, statistical and mathematical programs, etc. We also have
an astronomy images section, but that section does not invite
outside submissions. However, astronomy related programs are most
welcome.

:extensively mirrored.

We currently have 27 mirror sites all around the world.

:You should see fairly regular posts from Timo Salmi (Garbo) and Keith
:Petersen (Simtel) around here - I've found them both enormously helpful.

In the case of Garbo, if you have not uploaded before, the best way
to start is by getting

 15718 Dec 17 1995 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPLOAD.INF
 UPLOAD.INF Instructions for submitting material to Garbo archives

 6710 Jan 15 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPTEXT.INF
 UPTEXT.INF The required formula for your Garbo upload announcements

Please read them carefully before submitting to Garbo to avoid
unnecessary disappointments. We are trying to keep a rather tight
quality control. Part of the screening process is the uploaders
getting the required process right.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Aug 22 07:10:04 1996
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Recent uploads info at Garbo
To: theo@ccnet3.ccnet.com (Howard Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:10:04 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

Hello Howard,

> I have never known where to look to read brief descriptions of software
> that has recently been archived at garbo (say within the last month

First of all we have the monthly new files lists stored for all
MS-DOS files as

 38389 Jul 31 21:57 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/filelist/garb1996.zip
 garb1996.zip Annotated list of Garbo's /pc (MS-DOS) updates in 1996

This has one line descriptions for each upload.

> or two).  This would be a list similar to TODAY TIP, but for many
> recent days.

Might you have missed the following part in
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/TODAY.TIP

"For older MS-DOS tips see ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/news-pd2 and
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/0news-ts. For Unix tips please see
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/ts/0news-u."

> Other sites have mechanisms for showing this to users, but I am not
> sure if a file or files like this exists at garbo.  Any help
> appreched.

 2418 Aug 21 04:34 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/news-pd2
 news-pd2 News about the uploads in the /pc (the MS-DOS) directories

 42777 Jul 2 23:25 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/news96a.pd2
 news96a.pd2 News about files in /pc directories, 1-Jan to 30-Jun-96

and so on back.

 18244 Aug 10 08:35 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/0news-ts
 0news-ts Latest news about the files in /pc/ts directory, T.Salmi

 25688 Jan 1 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/0news95.ts
 0news95.ts The news announcements of 1995 about ts-programs, T.Salmi

> All the best,
>
> Howard Schwartz (theo@ccnet.com)

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Aug 27 07:00:55 1996
Subject: Re: TS4ST Correlation analysis
To: WayneH37@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:00:55 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

> Timo,

Hello Wayne,

> I was able to download ts4st17.zip.  I suppose that the problem I had on
> Sunday was an internet traffic problem.

I am pleased to hear that you managed to download my

 38251 Sep 23 1992 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/ts4st17.zip
 ts4st17.zip Statistics: Correlation analysis, T.Salmi

> How do I print to a printer using Statrcor.exe?  Is there a command other
> than Print Screen that I can use?

If you give the input from a file the program will eventually ask you

                   OUTPUT FILE NAME?

Answer ? to see the options which include printing the output to a file.

There is also a different, more complicated option. It is using
screen capture programs like

 45727 Oct 19 1993 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/screen/scrlit18.zip
 scrlit18.zip SCROLLit, Advanced Screen ScrollBack Buffer (good)

I am not quite sure, however, if it will work in this particular
case since statrcor.exe uses direct screen writes.

> Thanks...Wayne Haston
> wayneh37@aol.com

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep  1 08:18:39 EET DST 1996
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.ms-windows.discuss
Subject: Re: Windows uploading to Garbo
Date: 1 Sep 1996 05:05:02 -0000
Organization: Routed through the University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: RO

A potential Garbo uploader wrote in email:
> I make shareware games for windows. I would like you to inform me if it
> is possible to upload them or send them to you by mail (diskettes) so
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> that my games would be added to your web & ftp directories.

Dear Potential Garbo Uploader,

Sorry, no, as for the latter alternative. The only acceptable method
of submitting material to Garbo is through the net by ftp. No other
method will be considered by the Garbo moderators. Not diskettes by
surface mail, not emailed uuencoded files. Because of the workload
we have at Garbo and for quality control reasons, we have our
strictly preset routines that the submitter must be able to observe
to the letter as explained in

 15718 Dec 17 1995 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/windows/UPLOAD.INF
 UPLOAD.INF Instructions for submitting to Garbo archives

Furthermore, the required submission formula can be downloaded as

 6710 Jan 15 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/windows/UPTEXT.INF
 UPTEXT.INF The required formula for your Garbo upload announcements

Please start by getting and carefully reading these two files.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep 15 09:35:31 1996
Subject: About the Garbo submission sheet
To: Garbo Uploader
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 09:35:31 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

A Valued Garbo Uploader wrote on his upload submission sheet:

> Garbo CD-ROM distribution allowed without preconditions: N

Dear Garbo Uploader,

The only acceptable answer to this required line in the Garbo upload
submission formula is a YES. The purpose of this item is to ensure
that the material submitted to our archives could be distributed on
a potential Garbo CD-ROM. Thus this item is not meant as a genuine
choice. It rather is a check item. The item does not preclude the
possiblity of imposing other, common distribution limitations in the
item "Distribution limitations:".

If the "N" was a mistake, please resend your entire announcement to
pc-up@uwasa.fi (win-up@uwasa.fi in the case of a Windows submission).

   All the best, Timo

P.S. For the information of the other readers, the relevant
information files are

 15718 Sep 11 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPLOAD.INF
 UPLOAD.INF Instructions for submitting material to Garbo archives

 6726 Sep 11 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPTEXT.INF
 UPTEXT.INF The required formula for your Garbo upload announcements

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From vernon.frazee@sunshine.com  Sun Sep 15 21:10:04 1996
From: vernon.frazee@sunshine.com (Vernon Frazee)
Date: 15 Sep 96 07:07:44 -0400
Subject: LEVEL.BAT / EL.BAT
Organization: Sunshine's Mail Only Node
To: ts@UWasa.Fi
Status: ROr

#                                                      15-Sep-1996 07:07
Status: ROr

    On 13-Sep-96 at 15:15:18, "Vernon Frazee" and "ts@UWasa.Fi" were
    discussing "LEVEL.BAT / EL.BAT":

VF> I know you MUST be busy but if and when you get a sec., I'd really
VF> appreciate it if you would try the following 8-line/283-byte EL.BAT
VF> (ErrorLevel) and let me know what you think.  It does much the same

TS> What I've usually done with the welcome alternative batch solutions
TS> from the users is to make them available in files like
TS>   13062 Sep 1 22:17 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost25.zip
TS>   tspost25.zip Information email + postings, from 1-May-96 to ...
TS> Would you like me to add yours, since I am afraid that that is all I
TS> can do about it at the moment with the workload pressures I have.

    Sounds Great, although I would rather it be the following version
    which includes a couple of addresses where I can be reached:

      @echo off
      :--------------------------------------------------------
      :EL.BAT v2.15 displays errorlevel set by last program run
      :by: Vernon Frazee 12/94         Last modification: 06/96
      :NetMail: 1:135/71.17  E-Mail: vernon.frazee@sunshine.com
      :Begin --------------------------------------------------
       set a=Errorlevel|set b=|set c=for %%_ in (0 1 2
       %c%) do if %a% %%_00 set d=%%_
       if not %a% 200 set b=6 7 8 9
       %c% 3 4 5 %b%) do if %a% %d%%%_0 set d=%d%%%_
       if not %a% 250 set b=6 7 8 9
       %c% 3 4 5 %b%) do if %a% %d%%%_ set d=%d%%%_
       set a=|set b=|set c=|set d=|echo %d%
      :End ---------------------------------------------- -vjf-


    I sure was hoping for at least a little "hmm" when you saw how your
    whopping two-hundred-and-fifty-six lines of:
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      if errorlevel==255 echo errorlevel==255
      if errorlevel==254 if not errorlevel==255 echo errorlevel==254
      if errorlevel==253 if not errorlevel==254 echo errorlevel==253
      if errorlevel==252 if not errorlevel==253 echo errorlevel==252
      [ ...snip... ]
      if errorlevel==3 if not errorlevel==4 echo errorlevel==3
      if errorlevel==2 if not errorlevel==3 echo errorlevel==2
      if errorlevel==1 if not errorlevel==2 echo errorlevel==1
      if errorlevel==0 if not errorlevel==1 echo errorlevel==0

    had been reduced to a mere 7. <grin>
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Anyway, I understand how busy you must be and really do appreciate
    the response and the offer.

(Timo's response: I can make no fast promises, but since this will
be stored I wish to end up looking at it more closely at some
suitable moment. I'd certainly like to, but the amount of the
material and communications I get on different subjects, while
_VERY_ welcome, just is overwhelming.)

    Thanks again,
    Vernon Frazee

 -- NetMail: 1:135/71.17    E-Mail: vernon.frazee@sunshine.com     -vjf-
 -- Main BossNode: SOX! BBS * (305) 821-3317 * Hialeah FL USA * 1:135/71
--- Terminate 4.00/Pro
--
|Fidonet:  Vernon Frazee 1:135/71.17
|Internet: vernon.frazee@sunshine.com

From ts@reimari.uwasa.fi Sat Oct 12 10:31:00 EET DST 1996
From: ts@reimari.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: 0unix.dir - what do I do with it ??
Date: 12 Oct 1996 09:46:56 +0300
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

In article <714671105wnr@fcltd.demon.co.uk>,
Graham Parsons  <Graham@fcltd.demon.co.uk> wrote:
:I've downloaded the 0unix.zip file from Garbo in order that I could a
:bit of Unix to my PC.
:When I unzip this file it gives me one file 0unix.dir.
:What do I do with this file ??

 15789 Sep 29 07:49 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/unix/0unix.zip
 0unix.zip .zip files contents in /pc/unix directory

It is a zip-files contents file of the files at Garbo's /pc/unix
directory. What do do with it? You might, for example, wish to check
from it (better than the regular file index only) which /pc/unix
files you might want to get and look further into.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Oct 15 17:49:06 1996
Subject: Re: fi961009.zip Phone number list of Finnish BBSes
To: A Garbo User
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:49:06 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

A Garbo User wrote:
> I've been meaning to ask you about this for quite a while now, but
> never got around to it:  Why is a list of Finnish BBSs so important ?

Dear Garbo User,

No big secret. Garbo carries two BBS lists, the U.S. list because it
is such a large community and the Finnish one because Garbo bringing
its free services to the net is located here in Finland.

> charges, why would I or anyone else outside of Finland be interested
> in a list of Finnish ones ?

We have preset routines to announce the uploads in c.a.m.a.
Furthermore, by necessity every site will have a lot of files that
are not of interest to everyone.

> to know is why it's important to advertise them world-wide.  Is there

The title of the announcement is regular, so one can easily skip it
if it starts to annoy. For more please see

 7280 Oct 21 1995 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pub/pc/doc-net/killfile.zip
 killfile.zip rn newsreader KILL file FAQ from Leanne Phillips

 29367 Jun 3 05:46 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost17.zip
 tspost17.zip Information email + postings, from 5-Oct-93 to 8-Dec-93

> some advantage that Finnish BBSs have over any others ?  Sorry for

None, of course.

> taking your time like this, but I was just curious.  Have a nice day
> (or is it evening now in Finland :-)  ).

That's ok. I guess you mean well, but reflect if somewhere very deep
down there is just a tiny weeny touch of xenophobia. I say this
simply since on some other occasions I have noticed that even if
rarely a few (in most cases North American) users find it hard to
take that something could come out of a hick country like Finland.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Oct 16 11:49:33 1996
Subject: Re: xxx_samp.zip ... Package uploadedu
To: Disgruntled Garbo Uploader
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:49:33 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

Dear Disgruntled Garbo Uploader,

(concerning a rejected upload:)
> "Special equipment" ??? A tracker is NOT special equipment for
> people who are interessted in samples!

Special equipment or special programs which we may not have readily
available for testing the submitted material. We do not usually
carry material that we can't easily test ourselves.

> You should leave the decision to the downloaders not playing god
> by yourself.

This is not so. Making Garbo policy decisions is not up to the
downloaders. Ours is not a commercial site with paying customers to
decide what we should carry and and what not.

> > Furthermore, when you uploaded the actual
> >file you used longer than the allowed 8+3 file names which is
> >allowed at Garbo only in its Unix and Mac section.
>
> Nope! "xxx_samp" is exactly 8 letters in my opinion. :(

You uploaded files like
  xxx_samples.exe
  xxx_samples.zip
  xxx_samples.txt

> At least now I know why it's pretty senseless to go to garbo for
> looking new stuff. And I know WHY I love ftp.cdrom.com.

Fair enough. Given the obvious depth of your dissatisfaction with
our procedures and policies I don't think you should regard Garbo
as an option in future submissions.

   All the best, Timo

-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:27:32 +0300 (EET DST)
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-To: Disgruntled Garbo Uploader
-Subject: Re: xxx_samp.zip ... Package uploadedu

> FTP.CDROM.COM is also not a commercial site. They allow much more
> and IT WORKS.

I disagree. As far as I know they are a commercial site, and a fine
one at that. They significantly get their proceeds from CD-ROM sales
and can fund their staff from the proceeds. Hence they also are a
broad scope site with the corresponding resources, which makes them
perfect for your purposes.

> But it's your bussiness ... I'm simply angry if I read "only zips,
> no subdirs" and such stuff.

I am a bit baffled why you object to us wanting to control the way
we wish to arrange our site. Try to take it rather as an existing
fact than letting it anger your as a matter of a principle.

> If I build a selfextracting RAR archive which has 30% smaller size
> than a zip that's also YOUR advantage. I know, the automated bot
> cannot work then ...

In fact file space is not at all our primary concern at Garbo. Our
main limitation tends to be the workforce resources. Therefore all
the deviations from the preset routines are "expensive" to us.

> >Given your dissatisfaction with our policies I don't think you
> >should consider Garbo in the future.
>
> Right. But that's sad.

The point here simply is this. If a site's routines and selections
are not to an uploader's liking, then the uploader should simply opt
for sites that are more according to his/her line without rancour
from either side. Garbo's limitations of scope, its policies and
requirements should be well-know enough in advance. We try to
publicize them as clearly as we can.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland


From james59@mdx.ac.uk  Wed Oct 16 18:40:53 1996
To: ts@UWASA.FI (Timo Salmi)
From: "James Nash" <james59@mdx.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:39:34 GMT
Subject: Batch trick # 25
Status: ROr

Hi. Been browsing through your Batch tricks stuff and noticed number
25 where you test for 32 free bytes environment space. You may
already know this and have excluded it for space reasons but...

There is a limit to the size of the string you can set: approximately
50 characters because of the 128 character restriction on the command
line. This is how I do it...

:TEST_ENV
:: Limit of roughly 50 characters on these variables!
set E_D=
set E_D=a.long.string.of.text.designed.to.test.environment
set E_D2=%E_D%
set E_D3=%E_D2%
set E_D4=%E_D3%
set E_D3=
set E_D2=
set E_D=
if "%E_D4%"=="a.long.string.of.text.designed.to.test.environment"
     goto TST_CPU

:NO_ENV
cls
set E_D4=
echo Out of environment space blah blah blah
goto BAD_END

:TST_CPU
set E_D4=
...

This allows me to test for 200 bytes which is just about enough for
the stuff I do before I start Windows on the network. But that's
another story!

I guess you might be able to build in some kind of loop for testing
for really big sizes.
--
James Nash <james59@mdx.ac.uk>
Computing Services, Middlesex University,
Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ, UK.
tel:+44 (0)181 362 5887 fax:+44 (0)181 362 5967



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Oct 17 07:21:11 EET DST 1996
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: Don't announce Finnish BBS list
Date: 17 Oct 1996 07:16:48 +0300
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

In article <326a0003.5008720@nntp.infoave.net> a reader wrote:
:Excuse me, but I thought that this was a discussion of msdos archives,
:but it must a ng where people of different countries bash each other. My
:mistake.

[One of the badly affected for such bashing is news:rec.humor (where
it is misplaced, as well). Even more usually the bickering is about
(the trolls) about different OSes like in news:comp.os.msdos.misc.]

This is the relation to MS-DOS archives of this subject. We will not
discontinue announcing the Finnish BBS list when it is made
available from Garbo. Please everyone take that as an existing fact.
If it annoys someone, such readers please use kill files:

 7280 Oct 21 1995 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pub/pc/doc-net/killfile.zip
 killfile.zip rn newsreader KILL file FAQ from Leanne Phillips

 29367 Jun 3 05:46 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost17.zip
 tspost17.zip Information email + postings, from 5-Oct-93 to 8-Dec-93

The current line originally started from the fact that occasionally
some users (not necessarily the original instigator of the current
thread) have attitude problems with a well-known FTP and WWW site
being in a small country like Finland where Garbo is located. It is
an attitude I run into as Garbo's maintainer and a Finn every now
and then. Not often but occasionally. This attitude comes in many,
sometimes very subtle ways. In particular while we have posted
hundreds of announcements about Garbo uploads which must have been
of use to only a very minor section of the good readership, our
regular Finnish BBS list announcement seems to rile a few of the
readers of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce newsgroups in some
deep-rooted special way.

Yes, this discussion is futile, and would be best ended now.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Oct 18 00:36:46 EET DST 1996
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.archives.ms-windows.announce
Subject: Garbo's present uploading addresses
Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: 17 Oct 1996 21:34:48 -0000
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: RO

Dear Garbo Uploaders,

Please let me inform you of the present upload announcement email
addresses and the upload directories at Garbo.

  pc-up@uwasa.fi    (MS-DOS uploads)       directory /pc/incoming
  win-up@uwasa.fi   (Windows 3.1x uploads) directory /windows/incoming
  w95-up@uwasa.fi   (Windows 95 uploads)   directory /win95/incoming
  mac-up@uwasa.fi   (Mac uploads)          directory /mac/incoming
  unix-up@uwasa.fi  (Unix uploads)         directory /unix/incoming
  ql-up@uwasa.fi    (QL uploads)           directory /ql/incoming

When you use the above addresses your upload announcement will be
automatically forwarded to the relevant moderator(s) at Garbo. It
will help us very much in keeping our upload queues organized and is
a prerequisite for a timely consideration of your submission. Never
email the announcement directly to Garbo's moderators, but always
use the relevant of the aliases from the above.

Please note that in the special case if your package contains
versions for several platforms, never submit it to more than a
single target at Garbo! The preference order in the case of MS-DOS /
Windows 3.1x / Windows95 multi-package is the one above.

All the listed aliases are linked to an autoresponder. You must get
a positive confirmation from the autoresponder. If you get a resend
request from the autoresponder please carefully follow the given
instructions. If you get no response, then your email address-field
is faulty and you should contact your own site's postmaster to have
it fixed a.s.a.p.! One common configuration error which our
autoresponder can't handle is that your address is divided on more
than one line and/or has blank spaces in it.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Nov 17 10:38:37 1996
Subject: Re: Putting announcements into files
To: Valued uploader <>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:38:37 +0200 (EET)
Status: RO

> Currently you ask us to upload then later send you mail.  What if I
> put the text of that mail message in a file xxx.gar and included it
> in the ZIP file uploaded.  You could then process more simply
> without needing to match up email with uploads.

Dear Valued Garbo Uploader,

The suggestion is welcome. Please do not be discouraged, but I am
afraid your suggestion is quite unrealistic. The answer therefore is
sorry, no way! Quite candidly, I do not have the motivation nor the
time to change well-established and time-proven Garbo uploading
requirements and procedures. I regret, but there will be no other
option available than the current Garbo uploading exercise as per

 15847 Oct 16 13:09 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPLOAD.INF
 UPLOAD.INF Instructions for submitting material to Garbo archives

 6775 Oct 16 13:07 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPTEXT.INF
 UPTEXT.INF The required formula for your Garbo upload announcements

The emailed upload announcements to the designated alias addresses
are required for good reasons:

1) The autoresponders check the emailed announcements' format, and
ask for corrections for the most frequently occurring deviations
without the Garbo moderators having to do it manually.

2) We do not have the time to hunt for the embedded announcement
files and to alter them into the email folder format for the
postings we make to the Usenet news. Our system has been honed to
the announcements coming in by email to the correct upload
announcement alias addresses:
  pc-up@uwasa.fi    (MS-DOS uploads)       directory /pc/incoming
  win-up@uwasa.fi   (Windows 3.1x uploads) directory /windows/incoming
  w95-up@uwasa.fi   (Windows 95 uploads)   directory /win95/incoming
  mac-up@uwasa.fi   (Mac uploads)          directory /mac/incoming
  unix-up@uwasa.fi  (Unix uploads)         directory /unix/incoming
  ql-up@uwasa.fi    (QL uploads)           directory /ql/incoming

3) Getting the other uploaders to comply would be too much to ask.
Impossible in fact. And we can't have several parallel methods. It
would be too inefficient. We can't afford that. We are stretched to
the workforce limit already as it is.

4) An important part of the reason for the current Garbo uploading
requirements is quality checking. The correlation is not always one
to one, but uploaders who care to get Garbo's uploading procedure
right often are good also at writing programs. An uploader who
bungles with the uploading procedure is liable to bungle in his/her
program writing as well.

5) Matching the files and the emailed announcements is not such a
big problem at this end. Especially when compared to the problems I
foresee with the alternative.

But please, really. Do not be discouraged that my response had to be
this strict. If you wish to include the announcements into the files
along with the emailed announcement, that is up to you and fine with
me in principle (but there could be problems if the two do not tally
e.g. on the distribution limitations). Nevertheless, the emailed
announcements for the submissions will continue to be required at
Garbo whether or not the announcement is also embedded in the
submitted .zip file.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Nov 17 11:13:36 1996
Subject: Re: Flag Game
To: RRWCI@jazz.ucc.uno.edu (Ronald R. Windham)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:13:36 +0200 (EET)
Status: RO

> Dear Prof. Salmi:

Hello Ronald, pleased to meet you.

> I just wanted to let you know that my computer lab students enjoy
> playing your flag game. Are there any updates to the program? Some
> of the countries have either changed flags or no longer exist.

The most recent version is

 86758 May 7 1994 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsgmed13.zip
 tsgmed13.zip Learn national flags as educational games (good), T.Salmi

After that there have been no updates. If you have this latest
version, I would naturally be interested in your feedback about
which flags are out-of date. Outright I know that the Yugoslav and
Soviet Union flags are no longer officially used, but they exist as
historical facts. Those were the particular flags. But if some flags
have changed in their design, that's more of a problem.

> Ronald Windham
> Technology Teacher
> Etienne De Bore' Elementary School
> New Orleans, Louisiana
> USA

Louisiana? That's nice. We have a good research and teaching
cooperation with the Louisiana State University's Finance
Department. In fact, a colleague of mine from Vaasa is there as a
visiting professor for this academic year.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Jan 10 10:48:13 1997
Subject: Re: PESTIKID.EXE feedback
To: ian@aesop.ru.ac.za
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:48:13 +0200 (EET)
Status: RO

: Hello TS.

Hi Ian!

: Thank you for making the results of all your effort available to us
: all. I know it has been a lot of effort as am myself struggling to
: master assembly language with more effort than results!

Thank you for the nice compliment. Always appreciated.

: I was playing with PESTIKID that I load via a batch file named as
: per the display word. I came to my computer the other morning having
: left PESTIKID loaded the night before. Without thinking I pressed
: Ctrl-Alt-B to energise Bitfax which is resident in high memory and
: lo and behold up it came. After exiting PESTIKID behave normally.

I think this is more of a property of MS-DOS than PESTIKID. What
most probably happens is that Bitfax takes control of interrupt and
port used the intercept keypresses. This is the same phenomenon as
can be observed if you use DOSKEY. You can preempt DOS commands by
redefining them with DOSKEY. For example you might have in your
AUTOEXEC.BAT file (this is edited from

 129938 Nov 17 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsbat51.zip
 tsbat51.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks, T.Salmi)

c) Prevent accidental formats.
 doskey format=echo No way^G^G^G
 (Tip: to format, give the full path. Usually c:\dos\format)

: I don't suppose I am the only person to have noted this, but just in
: case.... If you need any more specific information, just ask.

Given the probable cause I don't think I can remedy the situation.

: I downloaded tsutle22.zip from a Simtel site. The PESTIKID file is
: dated 04-12-93 .

Yes, also at Garbo this still is the most recent version

PESTIKID.EXE Keep your computer to yourself 04-12-93 11:27:12

 73541 Apr 12 1993 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsutle22.zip
 tsutle22.zip Timo's 5th utility set (lock keyboard,mailsplit,tdel,cmos,...)

: Thank you again
:
: Ian Balchin
: Regards, Ian.

   All the best, Timo

: ------------- SNUUPM message from ian@aesop.ru.ac.za ------------------
: - - Grahamstown, RSA. Phone/fax +27-(0)461-311525   pgp key available
: ------------- also at ian@rucus.ru.ac.za ------------------------------

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Jan 27 07:19:41 1997
Subject: Re: ROSWELL1.ZIP  ROSWELL - U.F.O. Text Adventure
To: kaliss@sdn.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:19:41 +0200 (EET)
Status: RO

> From: "Ray Kaliss" <kaliss@sdn.com>
> Organization: sdn.com
> To: pc-up@uwasa.fi
> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:33:43 -0400
> Subject: ROSWELL1.ZIP  ROSWELL - U.F.O. Text Adventure

> Archive names: ROSWELL1.ZIP
> Short Description: ROSWELL - U.F.O. Text Adventure
> Uploader name: SDN International <kaliss@sdn.com>
> Author or company name: Scot Anderson
> Contact Postal Address: SDN International
>                         13 Douglas Drive
>                         Meriden,CT
>                         USA

(snip)

> The Roswell Adventure
> A text adventure based of the 1947 U.F.O. crash in
> Roswell, New Mexico.  You will search the craft, escape
> the government, and do battle with aliens.

Dear Ray,

As always, thank you for your welcome upload. I am sorry, but I'll
discard it outright. As a science-based university site we do not
carry material that from the description appears to relate to
new-age superstition, cheap imitation pseudo-science and general
ignorance of the nature of our planet and the universe.

Please do not take offense Ray, but it is best to come out with this
candidly. I am surprised and very disappointed that your system SDN
International is involved with material such as this. It reflects
badly on the integrity of your selection process. Nevertheless,
please continue to submit the other, serious material.

Below is an edited extract from an information posting about Garbo.

-Date: 1 Jul 1996 20:59:48 +0300
-From: ts@reimari.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.archives.ms-windows.announce
-Subject: What is garbo.uwasa.fi

In case you are not familiar with Garbo archives here is an outline.
Garbo (http://garbo.uwasa.fi and ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi) is located
at the University of Vaasa, Finland. It is a joint effort of the

(snip)

Quality control is a delicate issue, since there is no doubt that
also the other sites do very well. However, there have been a few
cases when we have been even more demanding than the broad-scope
sites before accepting material to our archives. In particular, I am
distressed to see material that relates to counter-scientific humbug
areas such as numerology and astrology, or other forms of fringe
science entertainment that in the final analysis prey on man's
dark-age superstitions and ignorance.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Feb  1 07:18:19 1997
Subject: Re: Timo's Wordlist 2.3
To: mattias.carlsson@teletronik.se (Mattias Carlsson)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 07:18:19 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)]
Status: RO

> Dear Professor Salmi

Hello Mattias!

> Some thoughts about Wordlist 2.3

I am pleased to hear that you are interested in WORDLIST.EXE in
 169025 Mar 17 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tspell25.zip
 tspell25.zip Screen oriented spelling checker & word frequency counter.

> I am a linguistics student interested in word frequency. I have been
> looking for an easy-to-use tool to help me gather information about
> the frequency of certain words. I understand from reading your
> homepage that you are a skilled programmer.

That's nice, but as a programmer I am just another keen hobbyist. My
true professional field lies elsewhere as you will have seen from my
home page. Tutoring doctoral students of accounting and finance is
the most central of my interests.

> Since I am not a
> programmer myself I hope that you might answer some of the following
> questions.

I'll be pleased to try to.

> 1. Is there a possibility of constructing, based on WL 2.3, a search
> that can identify pairs of words i.e. "my turn" or even longer
> expressions such as "secure a place" or other frequent collocations?
> I understand that the version I have got only counts single words.

That is correct. WORDLIST.EXE indeed counts the frequencies of
single words. My wordlist is probably not a suitable tool for your
task. Instead, try any good grep program. Many of them have a -c
match count switch. The only disadvantage is that if you have the
target phrase on the same line several times, only one occurrence
counts. For grep utilities please see .e.g.
 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/INDEX.ZIP
 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/fileutil/grepfv10.zip
 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/unix/grep1_5.zoo
 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/unix/grep20ax.zip
 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/fileutil/fgrep180.zip
 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/unix/fgrep1_1.zoo
 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/fileutil/egrep.zip

Maybe also the following file might be of some use
 104239 Jul 1 1992 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/fileutil/ps52b.zip
 ps52b.zip File and text search from Patri-Soft

Also of interest
 29487 Oct 20 1993 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/linguistics/wlist11.zip
 wlist11.zip Word frequency counter by A.Hovila & J.Perkiomaki

> 2. Can one state a certain word for which the programme will be
> looking? Can the 2.3 version be made to do that?

No, it is a straightforward frequency counter. But that should not
be a problem. Let the program count the frequencies, direct them to
a file and then look for your target word in the output list.

> 3. I understand that there is some kind of limit taking effect when
> reaching 8000 different words. Is there a way to get round this
> limit? Can a swapfile be used? Is it the computer's RAM that is
> limiting the number of words listed?

Nope, there is no legitimate way around it. It is an inbuilt array
definition limit.

> 4. Is there an upper limit regarding the size of the files to be
> searched? (Mb) Can it be used for searches in, for example,
> FileMaker Pro? Can the "all  files" (*.*) command be used when
> indicating which files to be searched?

I have to admit that I do not remember. I simply have so many
programs and so much material that I have difficulties recalling
what exactly each one of my programs does.

> 5. What programming language have you used (or is that secret?)

Most of my programs are Turbo Pascal programs originally coded in TP
4.0 or 5.0 and later recompiled with TP 7.01.

> I hope that you won't find my questions to be rude or out of place.

Quite the opposite. Your questions were very nice and welcome.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Feb 15 10:54:50 1997
Subject: Re: Optimal Credit Expansion Strategy in a Bank *** Need Data File
In-Reply-To: <970215073131_76657.554_IHD39-1@CompuServe.COM> from Ed Hoveland at "Feb 15, 97 02:31:31 am"
To: 76657.554@CompuServe.COM (Ed Hoveland)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:54:50 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)]
Status: RO

> Professor Salmi;

Hello Ed,

> I have downloaded "tscesb10.zip" which included your paper on credit expansion

I am very pleased to hear that you have found this paper of interest

 20658 May 23 1996 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/research/tscesb10.zip
 tscesb10.zip Model for Bank's Optimal Credit Expansion Strategy

(BTW, you can alternatively read it at http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/cesb/ .)

> and the program LINEQ.EXE

Are you quite sure you have the right program. The intended one is

 114843 Nov 20 1993 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tslin34.zip
 tslin34.zip Friendly linear programming and linear goal programming.

> I am having trouble getting the data has provided in the paper to the program.

That is not at all surprising, since the equations in the paper are
presented in their logical, unprocessed formats for reading and
understanding them. They are not even intended to be usable as such
as a direct input for a linear programming program.

> Could I trouble you to prepare a data file in the format required by lineq and
> using the data in the paper so that i can follow it along.

Unfortunately, since the original paper is very old, the processed
dataset (probably on punch cards, would you believe it) is long
since gone. But let's consider the actual practice of building
corporate models for a moment. What one has to do in case of
fully-fledged corporate models is that one has a model generator
that processes the raw data into the model format, solves the model,
and prepares the plans often in the form of budgets. The procedure
goes in principle somewhat like this (original drawing by Prof.
Markku Kallio at the Helsinki School of Economics):

     +------------+        +------------+
     !  PLANNING  ! -----> !  update    !
     !    DATA    !        !   data     ! ----+
     +------------+        !   file     !     !      +----------+
                           !            !     !      !   data   !
                           +------------+     +----> !          !
                                 !                   +----------+
                           +------------+                 !
                           !            ! <---------------+
                           !  GENERATE  ! ----+
                           !   MODEL    !     !      +----------+
                           !            !     !      !          !
                           +------------+     +----> !  MODEL   !
                                 !                   +----------+
                           +------------+                 !
                           !            ! <---------------+
                           !   SOLVE    ! ----+
                           !   MODEL    !     !      +----------+
                           !            !     !      !          !
                           +------------+     +----> ! SOLUTION !
                                 !                   +----------+
       +-----------+       +------------+                 !
       !  budgets  ! <---- ! transform  ! <---------------+
       !           !       ! solution   !
       +-----------+       !   into     !
                           !  reports   !
                           +------------+

Our paper presents only the model. Furthermore, our model is
simplified, demonstrating the principles. In actual practice, while
the invention and the construction of the full model is the initial
key to an integrated planning system, the essential work is building
a system like the one depicted above. That is a major project with
not only constructing such a system but implementing and maintaining
it.

> Thank you

Sorry that I could not be of more help that putting you in the
picture about the situation.

> Ed Hoveland
> Sierra Madre, California
> 76657.554@compuserve.com

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Feb 19 07:20:40 EET 1997
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.archives.ms-windows.announce
Subject: Re: Garbo CD-ROM distr. allowed: No
Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: 19 Feb 1997 05:16:32 -0000
Status: RO

Since this aspect comes up from time to time here is a repeat of
some information on this particular item on Garbo's upload
submission sheet.

> > Garbo CD-ROM distribution allowed without preconditions: N

Dear Uploader,

I regret to inform you that we cannot accept your welcome upload
under these circumstances. Our instructions

 7007 Jan 11 1997 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPTEXT.INF
 UPTEXT.INF The required formula for your Garbo upload announcements

state

Garbo CD-ROM distribution allowed without preconditions: (Y/N)
        (The uploader / author must accept and guarantee that the
        uploaded package may be put on commercial Garbo CD-ROMs
        without additional restrictions or conditions, requirements
        of free copies or any other individualized arrangements. This
        item does _not_ waive in any way the author's copyrights or
        the possible shareware status of the the package.)

This item is for checking purposes. There is no genuine alternative.
The only acceptable answer for proceeding at this end is a "Y". If
the "N" in the item was a mistake please resend your upload
submission email.

This requirement is not changed by the fact that there currently is
no Garbo CD-ROM in the making or even in sight.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi  <URL:http://uwasa.fi/~ts>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland


