From ts@uwasa.fi  Sun Mar 21 19:15:00 1993
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: pc/pd2/tspost22.zip file description
To: ts@uwasa.fi  (Timo Salmi)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 6:46:16 EET
Status: RO

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
! This file is in mail format, so you can also read it with any !
! suitable Unix mail program such as elm: (elm -f post22.txt).  !
! On a PC /pc/mail/rmail*.zip is a convenient alternative       !
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

   This is the twenty-second file that contains my replies and
comments that I or others have made by email, or just written here
instead of posting to (mainly to) comp.archives.msdos.d, or postings
that I wanted to retain for your information.
   Note that the latest tspost??.zip is always being updated until
it contains 30 messages.  The files are located at the /pc/pd2
directory.
   For an index of all the completed tspost*.zip files please see
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip.

Please note that this index is in reverse order:

1   Dec 31 To Timo Salmi      (25)   pc/pd2/tspost22.zip file description
2   May 9  To Jason Moore     (39)   Re: Kids' matching game
3   May 6  To Stefano Locati  (108)  Re: Turbo Pascal FAQ and mouse
4   May 2  Ari Hovila         (33)   Re: Your ftp setup
5   Apr 22 To Goran Bostrom   (43)   Re: Garbo's file reference format
6   Apr 20 To susan maijala   (45)   Re: information on the Finnish langu
7   Apr 1  To William J. Geor (57)   Re: embedded URLs for Garbo
8   Mar 15 Ari Hovila         (30)   Re: WEB PAGE for comp.archives.msdos
9   Mar 15 George Saliaris    (32)   Thank your for your 'juicey' FAQs
10  Mar 9  To J.R. Lee Chin   (45)   Re: Garbo's astronomy GIFs' edge
11  Feb 25 To fowler@premnay. (53)   Re: Timo's Concat is great!
12  Feb 25 To Sol Katz        (73)   Re: Feedback on Timo's linegame
13  Feb 17 To Angus C. March  (61)   Re: tspa3470.zip COPYFILE in TSUNTJ
14  Feb 16 To Rob Watson      (52)   Regarding: Flags and things.
15  Feb 15 Stuart Krivis      (62)   Timo's subjective look-back at 1994
16  Feb 10 Joseph Seymour     (29)   Re: Redirection in batch files
17  Dec 29 Erik G. Sten       (34)   Re: University of Vaasa
18  Dec 28 Timo Salmi         (160)  Re: What's Gonna Happen?
19  Dec 25 Timo Salmi         (61)   About Garbo upload rejections
20  Dec 17 Rich Steckler      (29)   Timo's batch files
21  Dec 15 To A Garbo User    (46)   Re: Location of a TP file on Garbo
22  Dec 2  To Garbo Uploaders (67)   No new Windows programs to Garbo
23  Dec 2  Timo Salmi         (75)   Re: What is SWAG ????
24  Dec 1  To Kirk E. Davies  (37)   Re: PESTIKID to prevent access
25  Nov 26 To Ronald Jonnes   (60)   Re: A submission to CAM.announce
26  Nov 21 To apathan         (46)   Re: gfind and garbo index
27  Nov 19 To Thomas Honore N (44)   Re: Garbo and filesizes in filelists
28  Nov 13 Timo Salmi         (56)   Re: Complaint about Weekly ftplog fo
29  Oct 28 To Pedro David Mar (57)   Re: Timo's Turbo Pascal FAQ
30  Oct 18 Timo Salmi         (164)  Re: Iconify a bitmap ?!? (a flame)


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Oct 19 06:43:59 EET 1994
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal,comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
Subject: Re: Iconify a bitmap ?!? (a flame)
Date: 18 Oct 1994 23:14:09 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Distribution: world
Status: RO

A netter writes to the Garbo moderator:

> Hallo,
>         I don't see any answer to my question in your e-mail. I hoped to
> find it in the newsgroup, but without success. So, instead of sending me
> that stupid flame, answer or keep silent.
>
> Real Research People can't waste their time in browsing hundreds of messages.

Dear Fellow Users,

As an archive site maintainer I get an inordinate number of all
kinds of emailed questions, pleas for individualized help, and
whatever.  I simply don't have the capacity to take care of all of
it, but have to resort to canned answers, tips, guidance and
pointers instead.  One of them is included below, as a frequent
example.  Another one I sometimes use is the canned Garbo
instructions which has many questions pre-answered, and so on.

But if your response to it will be like the one above

   *** PLEASE DO NOT BOTHER TO APPROACH ME IN THE FIRST PLACE ***

I try to help if and when I can, but I am not your common free,
obliging servant with nothing else to do.  When I get email like the
above as a result of a fair explanation of being too pressed for
time, you can be assured I will reject all future communications
from such sources by my fully automated elm filters.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Fellow User,

I was very pleased to get your emailed question.  I would very much
like to help you, but I just can't take the time from my other
numerous activities to be a general advisor and look at this
particular problem on an individual email consultation basis.
Besides it is always possible that I would not know the answer.  I
would warmly suggest considering the option of posting your question
to a suitable UseNet newsgroup where both the question and the
potential answers will have a wider forum.  The added advantage is
that the potential answers on the news might well benefit also other
interested readers.

You may have been encouraged by the fact that I frequently answer
questions on the UseNet news.  It is not impossible that I might end
up answering yours on the news if I can.  But please note a
difference.  On the news I can pick the familiar questions to
answer.  Even more importantly one gets to answer the same question
for the hopeful benefit of a number of users at one go.

Please don't be put off by this response.  I always look forward to
hearing from fellow users, and I hope that you do not hesitate to
contact me also in the future.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi  http://uwasa.fi/~ts   ; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 06:24:08 GMT
-From: lotter@cc.und.ac.za (Eddie Lotter)
-Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal,comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
-Subject: Can you believe some people?? ( was Re: Iconify a bitmap ?!?)

ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>Date: 18 Oct 1994 23:14:09 GMT
>A netter writes to the Garbo moderator:
>> Hallo,
>>         I don't see any answer to my question in your e-mail. I hoped to
>> find it in the newsgroup, but without success. So, instead of sending me
>> that stupid flame, answer or keep silent.
>>
>> Real Research People can't waste their time in browsing hundreds of messages.
> [...]

If this bozo can't take the time to scan the subject lines for responses to
his/her question then how can he/she expect someone else to do it (or more)
for him/her.

If people don't want to waste their time then they damn well shouldn't waste
the time of others! Especially that of valuable people like Timo!!

I'm afraid my response would be far less altruistic than Timo's because I have
no time for people with this kind of attitude. Plying them with platitudes
isn't going to change their life time's development of a bad attitude.

If this person regards itself as a "Real Research" person, then clearly he
hasn't the vaguest idea of what RESEARCH is all about!

Sorry about this, I needed to vent my spleen on two counts:
- People with unreasonable attitudes
- People who don't appreciate the efforts of people like Timo.


Cheers
Eddie                                              lotter@cc.und.ac.za
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When a society must choose between two unacceptable
evils, it has already lost.
- Vision


-Date: 22 Oct 1994 07:22:52 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal,comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
-Subject: Re: Can you believe some people?? ( was Re: Iconify a bitmap ?!?)

In article <ZWEITZE.428.0044F6F4@ET.TUDelft.NL> ZWEITZE@ET.TUDelft.NL (Zweitze de Vries) writes:
:That's not my experience. I get frequently (well.. once every two weeks
:or so) mail like Timo posted. It's usually something like:

Being and FTP site moderator and very active of the news I get such
email almost daily.  The volume is thus an added problem.  I do not
object, per se, but I have to resort to the canned evasions very
frequently.

:and you seem to know a lot about Windows programming,
:so please take a look ...'

Yes, that is exactly it!

:These mailers do not try to flame, in fact they're quite polite.

Yes, that is true.  But occasionally the requester returns with
flames after having gotten my canned message asking him/her to post
the question to a suitable newsgroup instead of asking for
personalized consultation from me.  The same can happen if I try to
help the user to find his/her way to correct newsgroups to enhance
his/her probability of getting useful responses.

Uncommonly, this time there was an apology afterwards, which I was
pleased to accept.  Some users have bad days, but can see reason.  A
few lost causes never do.

Since we have been drifting away from the actual purposes of these
newsgroups (entirely my fault, since I brought this up) can we now
wrap this up.  Thank you all for your support, again.  Being human
it is nice to know that so many users obviously appreciate the work
I try to do on the net.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Oct 28 22:07:12 1994
Subject: Re: Timo's Turbo Pascal FAQ
To: o0132@sobrino.eui.upm.es (Pedro David Marco Llorente)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 22:07:12 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

Hello Pedro!

: My name is Pedro David, i call you from Spain (Southern Europe).  I
: have read a lot of your work in FAQ related to Turbo Pascal, and i
: must say you that i am completely amazed, i have learned many things
: reading your work ( i hope this does not bother you, if so, please
: tell it to me) in garbo.uwasa.fi .  The books you recommended are
: incredible.  THANKS.

I am very pleased that you liked my

 73948 Oct 11 12:38 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfaqp21.zip
 tsfaqp21.zip Common Turbo Pascal Questions and Timo's answers

: I am a student of computer science at University of Madrid (The
: capital of Spain), and although here nearly everybody hates Turbo
: Pascal and likes c++, I love Turbo Pascal, i have used it for my
: technical programs and Turbo Pascal has shown he can be te Best.

I've always stressed that one should use the best tools for the task
at hand.  Often the best tool is the one the programmer is most
comfortable with.  It can be c++ for some, it can be Turbo Pascal
for others (like you and me), or some other language.

: In your Faqs you mencioned the Pascal Group, Comp.lang.pascal, what
: is it exactly? how con i belong to it? is it through Internet? At
: the moment i and a friend of mine are SysOps of a BBs named "ABC del
: programador" which is fully dedicated to Turbo Pascal.

It is a Usenet newsgroup which is also offered as a mailing list.
For getting the latter, please see the FAQ.  It explains how to
subscribe.

: I look forward to hearing from you. THANKS Timo Salmi.

   All the best, Timo

:                                     Pedro David Marco LLorente
:                                     o0132@sobrino.eui.upm.es
:                                     a NETWORK FRIEND...

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland




From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Nov 13 08:17:28 EET 1994
Article: 4199 of comp.archives.msdos.d
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: Complaint about Weekly ftplog for Timo's files
Date: 13 Nov 1994 06:16:45 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

A comp.archives.msdos.announce reader wrote to me
:> >Nov  7 01:40 1994  Timo's own files, weekly download statistics Page 1
:(About two hundred lines of deliberate quoting to try annoy me
:deleted.)

:> I quote all of your news posting on purpose. I hope it bothers you as much
:> as me to scroll through stuff that is not interesting, either because you
:> already know it, or because it's just not interesting.

:> OK, ignore me if you want to, I think I will reorganize my kill file a
:> little.

If you are using a newsreader like rn here is the kill file entry
you can work from

/: *Weekly ftplog for Timo's/:j

If you wish to be more extensive you can use kill rules like

/salmi/a:=:j

For more information, if needed, please see

 7110 Sep 21 20:58 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/doc-net/killfile.zip
 killfile.zip rn newsreader KILL file FAQ from Leanne Phillips

Since different individuals of our 100000+ readers have different
preferences, it is much better to employ the kill files if there is
regular information you don't want to see, or if you don't like my
personal style.  Let me post what I see appropriate in CAM.* and at
your end filter what you wish to skip to your own customized liking.
It is not very difficult.  Furthermore, it is a much better option
than displaying animosity by email.  I am so pressed for time that I
have to use email kill files of my own (an elm filter) to block the
possibility of future repeats.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland




From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Nov 19 18:21:18 1994
Subject: Re: Garbo and filesizes in filelists
To: thn.cls@login.dknet.dk (Thomas Honore Nielsen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:21:18 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> I have grown quite fond of garbo.uwasa.fi since I discovered it. I got
> the annotated filelist in INDEX.ZIP. I do, however, miss having the
> filesizes in this list. I am aware that there is a ls -l list at your
> site but having to scan two lists simultaniously is a bit ackward.
> Would you consider having sizes shown in the INDEX.ZIP at some point?

Dear Garbo User,

Either of the following programs should adequately solve your
problem

 4860 Oct 7 12:24 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ts/gfind
 gfind A convenient Unix script for Garbo index searches, T.Salmi

garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgarb10.zip Garbo utilities for PC, T.Salmi
Filename        Comment                             Date      Time
--------        --------------------------------    ----      ----
FILE_ID.DIZ     Brief characterization of tsgarb  10-07-94  07:22:08
GFIND.EXE       Garbo index searches              10-07-94  08:38:02 <-----
TSGARB.INF      Document (and a readme)           10-07-94  08:33:40
TSGARB.NWS      News announcements about tsgarb   10-07-94  08:32:52
TSPROG.INF      List of programs from Timo Salmi  10-07-94  08:26:34
VAASA.INF       Info: Finland, Vaasa, U of Vaasa  09-04-94  03:17:44
----            ------             ------  -----
0006             32609

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland




From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Nov 21 06:59:30 1994
Subject: Re: gfind and garbo index
To: apathan@stern.nyu.edu (apathan)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 06:59:30 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <199411202339.SAA19795@sales.stern.nyu.edu> from "apathan" at Nov 20, 94 06:39:58 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Timo

> In your shell you indicate that this shell will need the following three
> files:

Dear Garbo User,

You obviously mean
 4860 Oct 7 12:24 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ts/gfind
 gfind A convenient Unix script for Garbo index searches, T.Salmi

> I mean file.lst from garbo.uwasa.fi /pc/_file.zip; dir.zip; and Index.zip
> to get from where? u mean from 128.214.87.1?  thanks for your help and time.

Yes, although you got the names slightly inaccurate.  Also our IP
number has changed since then (but that seldom is an issue).  The
current is in my signature.

 89424 Nov 17 16:19 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/_file.lst
 Sorted list of Garbo filenames with paths (filepath list)

 235799 Nov 20 09:53 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/_dir.lst
 _dir.lst Directory list (ls -lR) giving the file sizes at Garbo

 98171 Nov 18 14:26 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEX.ZIP
 INDEX.ZIP The annotated list of garbo.uwasa.fi MsDos files, zipped

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland




From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Nov 26 08:17:05 1994
Subject: Re: A submission to CAM.announce
To: Ronald.Jonnes@datavert.co.za (Ronald Jonnes)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 08:17:05 +0200 (EET)
Status: RO

Keith wrote about comp.archives.msdos.announce policy:
> W8>Our policy is that announcements from individuals announcing uploads
> W8>to archive sites are not posted to c.a.m.a.  This newsgroup is
> W8>reserved for announcements from the archive site moderators only.
> W8>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> W8>When an individual posts their own announcement of an upload to an ftp
> W8>site I usually repost it to c.a.m.d.  Examples: wuarchive and netcom.com

Ronald wrote earlier after submitting to comp.archives.msdos.announce:
> You mention that my request is rare. Tell me, all the announcements in
> this c.a.m.a. for new software, are they different to my request? If so,
> how do they differ? You see, if there is a different method of doing
> this, then I must follow it.

Hello Ronald,

You asked me to relay an upload announcement about an upload you
have made yourself to ftp.iaccess.za as an individual user.

The announcements in c.a.m.a are different in the sense that the
announcements have gone through the maintainers of the site where
the users have uploaded their material.  In other words one when
submits a program to an MS-DOS ftp site one also submits an upload
announcement to the maintainer of that site.  Then the maintainer,
not the uploader, forwards the upload announcement for submission to
comp.archives.msdos.announce.  With the exception of SimTel, Garbo,
University of Oulu, and ftp.uml.edu this is what happens very
rarely.  In fact, many sites do not handle the submitters' upload
announcements at all.

If the uploader him/herself wishes to post then s/he can do that in
comp.archives.msdos.d by him/herself as Keith says.  In fact if the
moderator of the target site do not handle upload announcements,
then that is the way to go.

The reason for the way things may look on c.a.m.a is that Keith
Petersen, Ari Hovila, Jouni Ikonen, Brian O'Neill, and yours truly
are simultaneously both MS-DOS maintainers and c.a.m.a moderators.
Thus we have double roles.  But for example the maintainer of the
University of Oulu MS-DOS programming FTP site relays his
announcements through me.

Sorry for not having this on my fingertips right away.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Dec  1 20:12:48 1994
Subject: Re: PESTIKID to prevent access
To: davieske@nosc.mil (Kirk E. Davies)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:12:48 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9412011544.AA06224@manta.nosc.mil> from "Kirk E. Davies" at Dec 1, 94 07:44:30 am
Status: RO

> Dear Timo,

Hello Kirk!

> I just downloaded tsutle22.zip and tried PESTIKID. I found that when I
> locked my keyboard in a DOS window in WINDOWS, I was able to use ALT-CTL-
> DEL without any problem. I can also use ALT-TAB to switch to a different
> application, which runs fine.

Yes, this is true and to be expected on a multitasking system where
the alt-ctrl-del combination has a different function than on the
vanilla MS-DOS.  I am afraid that my PESTIKID from garbo.uwasa.fi:
/pc/ts/tsutle22.zip will not effectively prevent access if you use
Windows or OS/2.

> Sincerely,

   All the best, Timo

> Kirk Davies
> San Diego, CA, USA

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Dec  2 05:36:48 EET 1994
Article: 19075 of comp.lang.pascal
Path: zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
Subject: Re: What is SWAG ????
Date: 2 Dec 1994 03:29:19 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

In article <D038w2.1B6@ecf.toronto.edu> doylep@ecf.toronto.edu (DOYLE
PATRICK) writes:
:In article <5alBz_1Sf_B@armageddon.ping.de>,
:Achim Koch <achim@armageddon.ping.de> wrote:
:>
:>uhm... sorry if it's FAQ but i am following this group for a few weeks. And
:>i always wondered what does this word SWAG means. I've read it so
:>often, that it must be something of importance.
:
:  As a matter of fact, it is a FAQ.  ;)  SWAG stands for Source Ware Archival
:Group, who are a bunch of nice people who collect usefull bits of code for
:BP and TP programmers.  It's available at garbo.uwasa.fi in the pc/turbopas
:directory.  The files are ALLSWAG.ZIP and SWAGyymm.ZIP, where yy is the year
:and mm is the month.  They come out every three months.  It's really worth
:getting if you use Borland or Turbo Pascal.

Thus the current SWAG files at Garbo (Tue 9-May-95) are

 237240 Feb 28 11:19 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swag.zip
 swag.zip SWAG Reader + Information Files, SourceWare Archival Group

 523381 Nov 26 1993 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swag9311.zip
 swag9311.zip SWAG: A huge library of PD Turbo Pascal code, 11/93 update

 663693 Feb 26 1994 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swag9402.zip
 swag9402.zip SWAG: A huge library of PD Turbo Pascal code, 2/94 update

 439487 May 28 1994 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swag9405.zip
 swag9405.zip SWAG: A huge library of PD Turbo Pascal code, 5/94 update

 794769 Aug 27 1994 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swag9408.zip
 swag9408.zip SWAG: A huge library of PD Turbo Pascal code, 8/94 update

 826837 Nov 29 01:08 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swag9411.zip
 swag9411.zip SWAG: A huge library of PD Turbo Pascal code, 11/94 update

 627077 Feb 28 11:19 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swag9502.zip
 swag9502.zip SWAG: A huge library of PD Turbo Pascal code, 2/95 update

 455690 Mar 4 03:00 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swaga-c.zip
 swaga-c.zip SWAG Complete TP Code Package, all data, 1/5

 1178733 Mar 4 03:01 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swagd-f.zip
 swagd-f.zip SWAG Complete TP Code Package, all data, 2/5

 1199521 Mar 4 03:00 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swagg-m.zip
 swagg-m.zip SWAG Complete TP Code Package, all data, 3/5

 391679 Mar 4 03:01 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swagn-r.zip
 swagn-r.zip SWAG Complete TP Code Package, all data, 4/5

 904243 Mar 4 03:04 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/swags-z.zip
 swags-z.zip SWAG Complete TP Code Package, all data, 5/5

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Professor Timo Salmi    Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi archives (ftp:// http://) 193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland




From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Dec  2 13:25:41 1994
Subject: No new Windows programs to Garbo
To: Garbo Uploaders
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:25:41 +0200 (EET)
Status: RO

Dear Garbo Windows Uploaders,

The apprenticeship period of Jouni Ikonen is drawing to a close.  He
is leaving us in a couple of weeks to go back to his computer
studies.  This will mean some changes at Garbo, since both Ari
Hovila and I maintain Garbo on the side of our other duties that
tend to take precedence.

We will not be able to cope with all the load between the two of us.
Therefore we will soon have to stop taking any new Windows programs
to Garbo.  We will try to continue accepting updates of those
Windows programs which we already have, though.

This is an advance notice by about a week to let you know what is in
the store.  Getting back to taking also new Windows programs will be
pending on us getting new apprenticeships or similar arrangements
for this purpose.

All the Windows files that we already have will naturally continue
to be available as before.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 05:45:11 +0200 (EET)
-From: ts
-To: gann@garbo.uwasa.fi (Garbo MsDos & Windows announcements)
-Cc: null2@uwasa.fi (FTP Site Moderators)
-Subject: Garbo declines new Windows uploads except updates!

Fri 9-Dec-94: This is the last "warning" about the impending closure
of Garbo for new Windows uploads.  As of the coming week Garbo will
have to decline taking any new Windows uploads for an indefinite
period because of scarce manpower resources.  Thus starting Monday
12-Dec-94 we will only be considering Windows updates of programs
that we already have on Garbo.  Primarily Garbo has always been an
MS-DOS site, but our modest Unix and QL activities will continue.
We would also like to renew our call for electronic scientific
working papers.  For that aspect please see

 2022 Mar 20 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/research/0info.txt
 0info.txt Information about the garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/reseach directory

The Windows programs that we already have will continue to be
available from Garbo.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Dec 15 06:59:07 1994
Subject: Re: Location of a TP file on Garbo
To: A Garbo User
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 06:59:07 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Timo,

Dear Garbo User,

> I know you probably don't have time for this but.....

Unfortunately that is true.  I tend to get also so many questions
which are easily solved by the user him/herself simply by taking a
closer look at Garbo's index files.  It this case at

 100184 Dec 14 17:01 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEX.ZIP
 INDEX.ZIP The annotated list of garbo.uwasa.fi MsDos files, zipped

I do like to help the users whenever I can, but the time I have at
my disposal truly is a limited asset.  This is why I appreciate if
the users carefully weigh the alternatives of looking at the various
index files and posting to the usenet news, before asking me the
obvious questions.

> There was an announcement some time ago of a TP help compiler (tphc10.zip)
> in the /pc/turbopas directory at garbo.  This was before the reorg of the
> TP directories.  It no longer appears to reside there.
>
> I have been looking around for it via ftpmail (all I have from this account)
> and have not been able to locate it.  Could you please give me a pointer ?

 61117 Aug 25 01:12 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/turbopa7/tphc10a.zip
 tphc10a.zip Turbo Pascal 7.0 Help File Compiler, B.Naujok

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From rsteckl@sierra.fwl.edu  Sat Dec 17 13:55:21 1994
From: rsteckl@sierra.fwl.edu (Rich Steckler)
Subject: Timo's batch files
To: ts@uwasa.fi
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 03:51:31 -0800 (PST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

Dear Professor Salmi,

        I write simply to thank you for the many pleasurable moments
you have provided me with with your batch programs.  They are precise,
well documented, always reliable--and often funny!

        Your TSBAT46 group came to me from the SimTel archives through
Oakdale in Michigan--it was a happy find.

        I hope that you continue to find pleasure in the writing of
these programs...as much as you provide for the user.

        Thank you,

        Richard Steckler
        San Francisco





From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Dec 25 10:27:30 EET 1994
From: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce
Subject: About Garbo upload rejections
Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 08:20:02 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: RO

Sun 25-Dec-94: Merry Christmas.  I am afraid that as usual we have
had to reject a number of uploads to Garbo for one of the following
reasons.

 59815 Dec 15 03:51 easy.zip        Inadequate announcement
  3312 Dec 24 01:45 faxmodem.txt    Uploaded announcements not accepted
 36397 Dec 24 01:45 faxmodem.zip    New windows program
341031 Dec 23 12:36 kardp11.zip     Scpecial equipment required
342912 Dec 23 12:39 kards01.zip     Too recreational (karaoke)
 20043 Dec 21 20:41 penttest.zip    No emailed announcement
572902 Dec 22 13:27 pqm11.zip       No emailed announcement
 64357 Dec 23 22:04 unimsg10.zip    No emailed announcement
886167 Nov 29 19:50 wlk240.zip      Announcement rejected by autoreply

1) Material does not fit Garbo specializations. Examples
   - We do not currently take new Windows programs, only updates of
     what we already have.
   - Likewise we do not take new BBS programs or utilities.
   - We do not take LAN programs or utilities.
   - We do not take recreational games, only educational.
   - We do not take new material that requires special equipment to
     run like some exotic chips or sound cards.
   - We are a university site. We do not take material that involves.
     scientific non-sense like for example horoscope programs.
   - We do not invite religious or similar material or programs.
   - All the programs / documentations /announcements must be in
     English.

2) Missing or inadequate upload announcement from the uploader.  You
must manage to get a positive response from out auto-acknowledgment
daemon.  You'll have to try until you get it right.  Before you
upload, please first cafefully read and observe

 15613 Nov 1 07:00 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/UPLOAD.INF
 UPLOAD.INF Instructions for uploading to Garbo archives

 5604 Nov 1 07:01 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/UPTEXT.INF
 UPTEXT.INF The recommended formula for your Garbo upload announcements

I know that this can sound cumbersome, but uploaders who are
motivated enough to get it right is one part of Garbo's quality
guarantee.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Dec 28 10:02:49 EET 1994
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: What's Gonna Happen?
Date: 28 Dec 1994 07:55:31 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

You will probably already have seen Keith's answer for SimTel
(included later).  For Garbo some of the answers will not be quite
the same, because of the different emphases of these two sites.

In article <3dn8f6$1dde@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>
wexler@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Wexler) writes:

>I have been watching the uploads fly onto the various sites, and they
>appear to be coming in faster now than ever before.  Combine this with
>the fact that there is not as much as overlap as some have said (implying
>that these many uploads are all unique programs) and I think we have an
>amazing amount of software coming in per year.

This certainly is true, and it certainly will put extra pressures on
us.  We already have limited the kind of material we take to Garbo.
Most notably we are not taking any new Windows programs (only
updates) for the time being because of manpower shortages.  Ari and
I can allocate only a portion of our time to Garbo, since we do this
voluntarily on the side of our actual tasks.  Ari is a busy system
support person and programmer at the computer centre of the
University of Vaasa and I have an intertesting teaching and research
job to take care of in accounting and business finance.

>My wonder is what will happen
>a) to the older software that is currently in the archives, and

They will stay as long as their usefulness is retained.

>b) will you folks run out of room?

Actually we just about did, but we will have a new Garbo any day now
running on a Linux system.  The Garbo activities have been
considered important enough for our university's image to get the
additional storage resources.  At this time one gigabyte will be
added.

>I have tried to keep some older products that have some use still, but
>some of them only run under dos 3.3, even with setver!  I know you have
>some files that work with older versions of commercial software (tip
>files, patches for dos 3 and 4, etc.) and some duplicate programs (5 or
>more programs that sort of do the same thing).  I wonder...  Will some of
>these get deleted?

Speaking of the old versions of updated programs.  They almost
invariably go, so buy SimTel's and Garbo's CD-ROMs as they become
available.  That way you'll be guaranteed that you have the old
programs, and the old versions in case you don't like the updates.
Incidentally, you might be interested in Garbo's /pc/goldies/
directory.  But it is just a small, specialized reprieve.

>Will we have warning?  Who will decide what stays and what goes?

There will be no advance warning.  Archive site maintainers will
decide what goes.  Sometimes our hand is even forced when we me note
unacceptable distribution limitations or when they are imposed later
on, on the updated versions.  There are many unfortunate examples of
that having happened.  As one fairly recent example we no more carry
the MsKermit terminal program.  And there have been many other
cases, too.

>And, if you have to open up room for new OSs, such as Win95, or even
>(dare I say it, os2, though they have their own site), lots more software

Future is difficult to tell, but taken Garbo's specializations we'll
probably never do that unless MS-DOS totally dies, which is unlikely
with the near 100 million current users.

>will be coming down the pike.  So, I am just wondering what you folks
>think about this on a semi-official basis, Will you run out of room?
>Will you have to limit the type of program you take (b/c of what it does,
>or if its "ASP", or whatever?)  Garbo already does something like this,
>but it is somewhat minimal (in that it takes lots of good programs, and
>the "rejects" are good enough that they wind up elsewhere anyway).

In fact we most often even suggest directly to the uploaders of that
material that does not fit Garbo's categories should be offered to
sites like SimTel with its broader scope.

>So, just curious, and wondering reflections you folks may have had
>on this...

We have often thought of these questions, at least in Garbo' case.

   All the best, Timo

>Michael Wexler                 Wexler@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
>University of North Carolina -- Chapel Hill

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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
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Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 05:08:51 GMT
-From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: What's Gonna Happen?

wexler@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Wexler) writes:
>I have been watching the uploads fly onto the various sites, and they
>appear to be coming in faster now than ever before.  Combine this with
>the fact that there is not as much as overlap as some have said (implying
>that these many uploads are all unique programs) and I think we have an
>amazing amount of software coming in per year.
>
>My wonder is what will happen
>a) to the older software that is currently in the archives, and

The older files will continue to be available so long as they are useful
and not made obsolete by newer versions from the same author.

>b) will you folks run out of room?

No.  SimTel just added a 9 gigabye drive to the system.

>I have tried to keep some older products that have some use still, but
>some of them only run under dos 3.3, even with setver!  I know you have
>some files that work with older versions of commercial software (tip
>files, patches for dos 3 and 4, etc.) and some duplicate programs (5 or
>more programs that sort of do the same thing).  I wonder...  Will some of
>these get deleted?  Will we have warning?  Who will decide what stays and
>what goes?

Programs by different authors which perform the same function will
remain in the collection so that users can select the one best suited
for their application.  Programs for older versions of the operating
system will continue to be available as long as users have a need for
them.

>And, if you have to open up room for new OSs, such as Win95, or even
>(dare I say it, os2, though they have their own site), lots more software
>will be coming down the pike.  So, I am just wondering what you folks
>think about this on a semi-official basis, Will you run out of room?

SimTel will not run out of room.  New drives will be added as needed.

>Will you have to limit the type of program you take (b/c of what it does,
>or if its "ASP", or whatever?)

No.

Keith
- -
Keith Petersen
General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET    or      w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz               BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND



From sten@hevanet.com  Thu Dec 29 22:49:55 1994
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 94 12:46 WET
To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
From: sten@hevanet.com (Erik G. Sten)
Subject: Re: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

>> I noticed your address and decided I would seek your assistance in getting
>> some information about the University of Vaasa.
>
> 9199 Nov 20 09:38 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/vaasa.inf
> vaasa.inf Information about Finland, Vaasa, and University of Vaasa
>
> 8655 Jun 8 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/vaasa2.inf
> vaasa2.inf More (official) information about University of Vaasa
>
> Furthermore see the uwasa*.gif images in the /pc/gif directory.

Thank you! The files are just what I was looking for.  I'd never
found them in your directory.  I'm also glad to have been exposed to
your directory.  Lots of interesting material there.  I downloaded
your news file.

>You just might find soc.culture.nordic of potential use in your
>additional quest of information about Finland.

I appreciate the tip. I've added the group to my list.

Erik G. Sten,      |"What's that little half-pint son of a
recovering lawyer, |bitch want to cause so much trouble for?"
Portland, Oregon   |John Nichols, "The Milagro Beanfield War"



From lordsoth@ix.netcom.com  Fri Feb 10 11:06:20 1995
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 01:04:07 -0800
From: lordsoth@ix.netcom.com (Joseph Seymour)
Subject: Re: Redirection in batch files
To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Status: RO

You wrote:

>In article <3gn86h$5v7@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> lordsoth@ix.netcom.com
>(Joseph Seymour) writes:
>:I need to know if there is a way to force redirection of input to a
>:program inside of a batch file.  I have a line in a complex batch file
>
>Have you checked
>
> 116907 Jan 30 22:59 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat46a.zip
> tsbat46a.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks, T.Salmi

I was just reading through your wonderful collection of batch files and
tricks.  I would like to thank you for compiling such a comprehensive
list of batch tricks.  I am constantly checking back and seeing how to
do specific things when I am writing batch files.  Once again, I thank
you.

-Joseph Seymour



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Feb 16 04:17:22 1995
Subject: Regarding: Flags and things.
To: rw@wg.icl.co.uk (Rob Watson)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 04:17:22 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Hi,

Hello Rob,

> I picked up a copy of your flag quiz - not because I wanted to test
> my knowledge ( although I have done and have found that my knowledge
> concentrates on European flags ) but because I wanted to view what
> some flags are. I was keen to find Latvia and sure enough I did !

I am pleased that you liked my

 86746 May 7 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgmed13.zip
 tsgmed13.zip Learn national flags as educational games (good), T.Salmi

Yes, indeed, the program can be used for straight information
finding instead of playing it as a game.

> Furthermore there are some flags I would like to obtain pictures (
> GIF ? ) of which I do not think are covered by your program such as
> Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Have you any idea where I
> could find these ?

I do not know of flags as GIFs on the net. You will have to use an
encyclopedia or a specialized flag journal. I do not recall the
exact name, but I seem to recall that at least in Holland there is
one dedicated journal for flag.s

> Cheers, Robert

   All the best, Timo

> ********************************************************************************
>
> Robert Watson
>
> Email: rw@wg.icl.co.uk

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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From pcohio!stuart.krivis@po.cwru.edu  Fri Feb 17 00:27:43 1995
To: ts@uwasa.fi
Subject: Timo's subjective look-back at 1994
From: stuart.krivis@pcohio.com (Stuart Krivis)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:49:00 -0500
Organization: PC-OHIO PCBOARD - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Status: RO

This is about

 6976 Dec 31 16:53 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/hist94.zip
 hist94.zip Timo's subjective look-back at 1994 on Usenet and archives

 =:> TIMO SALMI said to ALL on 12/31/94:

I just noticed your post - a little bit late on my part.  :-)  I
couldn't resist making a few comments.


TS>    A protracted and occasionally heated advocacy debate about the
TS> alleged merits and dismerits of Pascal versus C in comp.lang.pascal

I've heard that Pascal is a bit easier to learn and C is a bit better at
graphics.  I don't program, so I can't really say.  I think what really
matters is what someone is used to.  I've seen good programs and bad
programs that claimed to have been written in many languages.

I'm still exploring the DOS batch language and now REXX.  I hope to
someday learn a standard high level language.  (I don't have time to do
it now.)

TS>    Got flamed for posting Garbo's download statistics of my own
TS> files.

I found some of your files to be very useful.  You aren't seeking
renumeration, so why should anybody object to the download stats?

TS>    The Vaasa FreePort BBS project was concluded replaced by a new
TS> one (Walli) designated to paying, domestic users only.

This is a shame.  I call the Cleveland Freenet and find it to be a very
nice place.  The fact that it's free seems to make it more of a
community.

TS>    To enhance the Garbo users' interest in science and exploration I
TS> obtained a number of space related gifs to Garbo including 60
TS> classic images from the Apollo moon missions. They seemed to be
TS> quite a success among the users.

I hope to see more of this type of thing.  It encourages space research,
and it shows that ftp sites aren't just for shareware files.

 * RM 1.4 B0957 * if (version==X.0) wait_for(X+0.1);

---------------------------------------------------------------
PC-Ohio PCBoard                  pcohio.com
The Best BBS in America          Cleveland, OH
DATA: 216-381-3320               FAX: 216-291-2685
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From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Feb 17 09:30:56 1995
Subject: Re: tspa3470.zip COPYFILE in TSUNTJ
To: ac_march@ECE.concordia.CA (Angus C. March)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:30:56 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> I have recently been using those units that you programmed, I
> believe zipped under tspa3470.zip. I was writing a small program

Yes, Angus, indeed its is

 112570 Aug 16 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspa3470.zip
 tspa3470.zip Turbo Pascal 7.0 real mode units for (real:-) programmers.

and the COPYFILE procedure in TSUNTJ you are referring to.

> which creates a zipfile and then copies it to a floppy. I issued the
> compiler directive {$M $4000, 0, 0} which sets that stack at 16K and
> zeros the heap, which is recommended for the Exec procedure. Now
> this allows the Exec procedure to execute, but for some reason I get
> an out of memory error (that is to say it returns immediately with
> status set to 7) when I try to run your CopyFile procedure out of

Right. The return status 7 of the COPYFILE procedure indicates that
you are out of memory because you have not reserved the required
heap in your program.

> TsuntJ. I'm afraid that I don't know much about the way that this
> compiler uses memory, so I'm not sure what the problem could be,
> unless CopyFile uses a lot of dynamic memory. I was wondering if you

Yes it does. That is the problem. You see the COPYFILE procedure
uses a heap buffer of 65535 bytes for the copying. You must reserve
space for the heap. Try setting the high heap limit e.g at 80000
with {$M $4000, 0, 80000}. See if this solves your problem.

> could give me a clue as to this procedures needs. Thank you.

This clearly was my fault. My oversight is that I should have put
that $M directive prominently in the TSUNTJ.TST test procedure and
in the documentation.

   All the best, Timo

>    _________        ___________       Murphy ain't seen nothing yet
>   |.........|      |Attempting |
>   |: DON'T :|      |recovery...|             Angus March
>   |: PANIC :|      |1067 pages |   internet: ac_march@ece.concordia.ca
>   |:.......:|      |unrecovered|   AX.25: VE2UFP@VE2FKB.#MTL.PQ.CAN.CA
>   |---------|___ __|___________|__ http:
>  /___________\  |_________________| //www.ece.concordia.ca/~ac_march/addr.html

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From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Feb 25 07:08:31 1995
Subject: Re: Feedback on Timo's linegame
To: skatz@dsc.blm.gov (Sol Katz)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 07:08:31 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

: hello timo,

Hello again Sol!

: my 9 year old daughter just started using your linegame
: program(1.0). while trying to explain some elementary geometry to
: her, such as degrees to tangents, i noticed what seem to to an error

I am very pleased to hear that you like my LINEGAME.EXE from

 82158 Aug 17 1990 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgmec11.zip
 tsgmec11.zip Timo's educational games: ascigame,linegame,wordexam

: in the program. it seems that the atan of a negative tangent is
: always one (1) less then the positive tangent. eg atan(1) = 45 but
: atan(-1) = 44.

Yes, you are absolutely right. There is a silly round-off bug in my
program which I have just corrected for the next version coming out
in the near future. In fact looking at it I noticed that there was
another bug in the same procedure. The result was to be given with
one decimal, but the decimal was always came out zero.

: now for a suggestion. could you put in an option that also allows
: the entering of the angle in degrees instead of tangents. my

No, I do not think I'll do that. The purpose of the game is to teach
the conventions of analytic geometry to the user, not to be easier.

: daughter has a much clearer picture of how degrees form an angle and
: can follow that 45 degrees plus 45 degrees equal 90 degrees, but is
: having trouble understanding why 45 degrees = 1 and 0 degrees = 0,
: but 90 degrees does NOT = 2.

Then you have an excellent opportunity to try to make her
understand, since obviously the game gives her the motivation to
try. If so, my game has served its most important purpose.

: and another suggestion. allow entering the opposite and adjacent
: values and let the program calculate the tangent.

The same applies. That would dilute what I wish to teach the user.

: but in any case we both enjoy the program and think you did a nice
: job on it. presently we keep a trig table handly to convert from
: degrees to tans :-)

Excellent, just excellent! That is exactly what you should do to
enhance the learning process.

Thank you for the nice and useful feedback. I welcome and appreciate
it.

: sol--      (sol katz -- skatz@dsc.blm.gov)
: for www mapping and/or metadata sites, ftp://ftp.blm.gov/pub/gis/nsdi.html

   All the best, Timo

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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uasa.fi Sat Feb 25 19:23:01 1995
Subject: Re: Timo's Concat is great!
To: fowler@premnay.win-uk.net
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 19:23:01 +0200 (EET)
Status: RO

> Hi Timo,

Hello Albert,

I am very pleased to hear that you like my CONCAT.EXE from

 70440 Feb 12 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfltc16.zip
 tsfltc16.zip More filters: dump,col,concat,cut,detab,rep,rot13,undump

> I am using your concat.exe to glue together two pages of TeleText
> text so that common pages, often from different downloads, can be
> stored in say a company folder.
>
> I concatenate TeleText 40 col x 24 line pages using typically the
> following batch file command for say Lucas data.
>
> concat ch2-209a.txt ch2-209b.txt >> c:\folders\lucas.fol
>
> You will see that no /commands are seemingly necessary, but the main
> benefit is that whether the receiving file exists or not concat
> obliges by making one, if it does not exist, or simply appends the
> new data to the existing file.
>
> Your "batch tricks" are much appreciated, they are always to hand,
> and particularly when I have forgotten a seldom used trick.

In fact so do I. The collection

 116907 Jan 30 22:59 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat46a.zip
 tsbat46a.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks, T.Salmi

serves also as my personal repository of MS-DOS batch programming
and related tricks.

> Kind regards,
>
> Albert.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Mar  9 07:11:56 1995
Subject: Re: Garbo's astronomy GIFs' edge
To: LEECHIN@psychology.newcastle.edu.au (J.R. Lee Chin)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:11:56 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Hello Timo

Hi John,

> You should have been notified of VENUS.ZIP by now. The little GIF of
> Venus with the famous "Y" is all I could find - most of the Venus
> pics now are from Magellan. There are at least 3 excellent WWW

Thank you for finding them for me! I'll be very interested to look
at them soon.

> sources which catalogue the Solar System body by body, but as usual
> the emphasis is on the new. I doubt if Garbo could hope to compete
> with these, but maybe Garbo can serve as a repository of outstanding
> and rare astro GIFs?

I am rather trustful in this respect. Garbo's competitive edge in
this area is in the following things.

1) It is very widely known among laymen users.

2) It is (I hope) well organized.

3) The astronomy gifs at Garbo are picks of the lot. Now also thanks
to your welcome help.

4) Garbo's astronomy gifs (most of them) contain the relevant
information about the background of the images. A bad omission at
many specialized astronomy sites.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ajh@uwasa.fi Wed Mar 15 21:04:43 EET 1995
From: ajh@uwasa.fi (Ari Hovila)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: WEB PAGE for comp.archives.msdos.announce
Date: 15 Mar 1995 11:21:31 GMT
Organization: University of Vaasa
Status: RO

M. Kent Villard (kvillard@bud.peinet.pe.ca) wrote:
> Hi there,
> Can anyone tell me what the URL is for the WEB Page for the msdos-ann list...
> thanks in advance

Well, I'm not quite sure what you are looking for, but you should
check these:

http://www.uwasa.fi/garbo/garboe.html    (for Garbo home page)
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak/oak.html  (for SimTel)

> Kent
> kvillard@peinet.pe.ca

Regards,

.................................................................
Ari Hovila, ajh@uwasa.fi, http://www.uwasa.fi/~ajh
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5
Computer Centre, University of Vaasa,  Box 700, FIN-65101 Finland


From gsal@posidon.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr  Wed Mar 15 10:19:58 1995
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:25:41 +0200 (EET)
From: George Saliaris <gsal@posidon.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr>
To: ts@uwasa.fi
Subject: Thank your for your 'juicey' FAQs
Status: RO


Good day Prof Timo Salmi,

My sincere congratulations for your so informative instructions and
answers, in the various FAQs you maintain. Although I am an
experienced programmer, I was a complete beginner on Internet &
Usenet.

I encountered your answer pointers in the 'comp.archives.msdos' FAQ
posted in news.answers. I then followed all the pointers to your
various informative files at garbo.uwasa.fi. I learned so many
useful techniques from them (batchftp, UNIX zip, UNIX zmodem, etc
etc) that I was really feeling I should thank you.

There is no need to reply, as I understand you are a very busy man.
I was just feeling I should send a warm 'thank you' for your
efforts.

        Best Regards
        George Saliaris.

--
George Saliaris         gsal@posidon.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr
Fax:+30 271 41355            Veriti 7, Chios  821 00, Greece

From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Apr  1 08:08:37 1995
Subject: Re: embedded URLs for Garbo
To: wjgeorge@attmail.com (William J. George)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 08:08:37 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> ts@chyde.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) wrote:
> >Thank you for your contribution.  This upload is now available as
> > 66223 Mar 30 00:29 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/binedit/hex51.zip

> Timo,

Hello William,

>    If the URL is written thusly:
>
>       ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/binedit/hex51.zip

Yes, that is true.

> Netscape will allow a one button click download. Please consider this
> change.

Yes, I understand and appreciate that. I have two problems, however.
One is that it will be six characters more. The other, essential,
problem is that it would affect so many Garbo scripts. I think the
best solution is to write a simple Unix sed script to do the
coversion (at one end or the other):

#!/bin/sh
sed -e 's#garbo.uwasa.fi:#ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi#'

For example this would change

 116907 Jan 30 22:59 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat46a.zip
 tsbat46a.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks, T.Salmi

to

 116907 Jan 30 22:59 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsbat46a.zip
 tsbat46a.zip A collection of useful batch files and tricks, T.Salmi

> --
> W. J. George
> wjgeorge@attmail.com

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Apr 20 01:49:20 1995
Subject: Re: information on the Finnish language
To: smaijala@d.umn.edu (susan maijala)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 01:49:20 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> I am a third generation in usa from Finland and I looking for an address
> or contact to find some Finish English software for my IBM computor.  I
> have many software programs for my kids that have French and Spanish
> languages included but not any with the Finish language.  I have printed
> the index off the garbo and I will start looking there.  My children are
> 4 and 6 years old so I am looking for basic beginning programs and
> games.  Thank you for your time.  Susan Ahonen Maijala at

Hello Susan,

You might be interested in the following programs, and the Usenet
newsgroup soc.culture.nordic. Unfortunately Garbo will not be of
much help in your quest for Finnish material, since we aim to be an
all-out English language site. It is quite expensive from overseash,
but what you might wish to do is call Finnish BBSes. You'll find a
list of them on Garbo.

garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgmec12.zip Educational games III, T.Salmi
Filename        Comment                             Date      Time
--------        --------------------------------    ----      ----
:
ENGLSUOM.VOC    English-Finnish sample vocab.     03-08-90  19:12:00
WORDEXAM.EXE    Learn foreign words for exams     03-09-95  20:23:52
WORDQUIZ.EXE    Multiple choice learn words       03-09-95  20:41:52
:
----            ------             ------  -----
0011            190508

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Apr 22 09:42:39 1995
Subject: Re: Garbo's file reference format
To: goran.bostrom@infovox.se (Goran Bostrom)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 09:42:39 +0300 (EET DST)
Status: RO

> In article <ts9504190906.26109@poiju.uwasa.fi> ts@poiju.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
> >Thank you for your contribution.  This upload is now available as
> > 56058 Apr 10 02:15 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/fileutil/cread215.zip
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
> Suggestion:
> Format the line above in a similar way that Simtel anmnouncements.
> This could be a very nice feature. The size and date information
> are also very handy, but I have no idea on how to get it glued
> together.
> Example:
> ftp://oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/msdos/genealgy/gim_309.zip

I prefer to retain Garbo's current, diverging acknowledgment format,
but it is easy for you to filter the file reference to the format
you would like to have. Here is the how:

#!/bin/sh
sed -e 's#garbo.uwasa.fi:#ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi#' | awk '{print $5}'

   All the best, Timo

(Epilogue: I have since changed Garbo's announcements to the
suggested URL format)

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi  http://uwasa.fi/~ts   ; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ajh@garbo.uwasa.fi  Tue May  2 08:04:52 1995
From: Ari Hovila <ajh@garbo.uwasa.fi>
Message-Id: <199505020504.IAA21992@garbo.uwasa.fi>
Subject: Re: Your ftp setup
To: christ@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Christopher Thompson)
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 08:04:23 +0300 (EET DST)
Cc: ts@garbo.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO


> Howdy there.  I just wanted to let you know that I just logged onto your
> machine to transfer some files.  And yours was the easiest, friendliest
> ftp server I have ever met.  Thank you for making life so easy, and
> being so friendly to all of us out there.

That's very kind of you, Chris - it's nice to know we can be of use
on the net!

> All the best,
>
> Chris Thompson
> christ@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu
>

Regards,

.................................................................
Ari Hovila, ajh@uwasa.fi   http://www.uwasa.fi/~ajh/
Moderating  garbo.uwasa.fi http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ FTP archives
Computer Centre, University of Vaasa,  Box 700, FIN-65101 Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat May  6 19:17:22 1995
Subject: Re: Turbo Pascal FAQ and mouse
To: piu1550@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it (Stefano Locati)
Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 19:17:22 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <199505041248.PAA08096@reimari.uwasa.fi> from "Stefano Locati" at May 4, 95 02:58:03 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Dear Timo,

Hello Stefano!

> I'm an engineering student of computer science in Italy, and I
> want to thank you for your work and patience on the net.

I am very pleased to hear this.

> I hope not to bother you too much with this letter, but I've got
> a few information that you might want to know...

The information is most welcome.

> *) I think you should add to your Pascal FAQ something about
> mouse support... I know it uses a turbo vision feature, but it
> can be managed in the old way (i.e. not event-driven).
> Consequently at the end of this file I've appended my own
> proposal; feel free to add it (modified or not) to your FAQ.

This is what we'll do with your useful tip about the mouse. I'll
quote it below in its entirely and place this reply along with it to
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost22.zip feedback and information
file. You see, I do not program mouse myself.

   All the best, Timo

> *) Question 16, in your Pascal FAQ (how can I clear the
> keyboard type-ahead buffer?) can be shortened in this way:
>    uses crt
>    while keypressed do readkey;
> (ie the variable dummy is not really needed because we want to
> get rid of the pressed keys. This works if extended syntax is on);
>
> Bye and keep on with the good work!!!
>
>                                              Stefano
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Q: How can I use a mouse to choose an option?
>
> A: Let's suppose that you wanna do the following: choose between
> option 1 and option 2 or click the top-left corner of the screen
> when you are done.
>
> Here is a schematic of the text screen layout.
>
> +-----------+
> |*          |  quit    : coord (0,0)
> |option 1   |  option 1: x coord 0 to 10; y coord 2
> |option 2   |  option 2: x coord 0 to 10; y coord 4
> +-----------+
>
> The program writes 1 or 2 depending which option is chosen and
> then waits for another selection till quit (upper-left corner) is
> chosen. Nothing else is written on the screen in order to keep
> the program as short as possible.
>
>
> Program mouse;
> Uses Drivers;                    {essential, mouse support code}
> var Event:TEvent;             {essential to get info from mouse}
> Begin
>   InitEvents;                 {essential, enables mouse pointer}
>   Repeat
>     GetMouseEvent(Event);                 {let's read the mouse}
>     if Event.buttons=mbleftbutton then             {left button}
>        if (Event.where.x in [0..10]) and (Event.where.y=2)
>        then write('1 ') else
>        if (Event.where.x in [0..10]) and (Event.where.y=4)
>        then write('2 ')
>   Until (Event.buttons=mbleftbutton) and (Event.where.x=0)
>         and (Event.where.y=0);                 {top-left corner}
>   DoneEvents;                      {essential, frees resources!}
> End.
>
>
> WARNING: Don't keep the mouse pointer enabled while text is
>    scrolling, or you will have it 'captured' from the text (more
>    than one mouse pointer -only one is real!) To understand this
>    cut and compile the program above and keep left mouse button
>    pressed on a option line till text will scroll down...
>
> SOLUTION: When you know that text is going to scroll, disable
>    mouse pointer just before a writeln and then re-enable it.
>    Here is an example: (hope it is safe, if not please tell me)
>    DoneEvents; writeln('whacha want'); InitEvents;
>
> ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,
> Stefano Locati -  Politecnico di Milano  -  locati@freenet.hut.fi
>

....................................................................
Professor Timo Salmi    Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi archives (ftp:// http://) 193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Tue May  9 23:07:57 1995
Subject: Re: Kids' matching game
To: moorej@chert.CS.ORST.EDU (Jason Moore)
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 23:07:57 +0300 (EET DST)
In-Reply-To: <9505091542.AA19687@demion.CS.ORST.EDU> from "Jason Moore" at May 9, 95 08:42:24 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Status: RO

> Hi Timo.
> I hope you don't mind my asking you directly, but you obviously know
> where everything is.  I was wondering if, in your tsxxxx games for kids
> at simtel there is a simple matching game (like concentration - uncover
> two pictures, if they are the same, remove them, otherwise cover them
> up and try again), or if you know of one.

 19612 Apr 7 12:47 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/INDEXTS.ZIP
 INDEXTS.ZIP Details of the contents of each TS-package in zipped form

tsgmed13.zip    National flags as games, T.Salmi
Filename        Comment                             Date      Time
--------        --------------------------------    ----      ----
FILE_ID.DIZ     Brief characterization of tsgmed  05-07-94  03:27:30
FLAGGAME.EXE    Memory game with flags            05-07-94  03:07:56 <-----
FLAGQUIZ.EXE    Learn national flags by a quiz    05-07-94  03:04:44
TSGMED.INF      Document                          05-07-94  03:30:40
TSGMED.NWS      News concerning this package      05-07-94  03:34:10
TSPROG.INF      List of PD programs by T.Salmi    03-12-94  16:39:50
VAASA.INF       Info: Finland, Vaasa, U of Vaasa  03-12-94  10:07:48
----            ------             ------  -----
0007            180084

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Professor Timo Salmi    Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi archives (ftp:// http://) 193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
ts@uwasa.fi http://uwasa.fi/~ts BBS 961-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

