From ts@uwasa.fi  Sun Mar 21 19:15:00 1993
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: /pc/pd2/tspost17.zip file description
To: ts@uwasa.fi  (Timo Salmi)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 6:46:16 EET
Status: RO

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
! This file is in mail format, so you can also read it with any !
! suitable Unix mail program such as elm: (elm -f post17.txt).  !
! On a PC /pc/mail/rmail*.zip is a convenient alternative       !
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

   This is the seventeenth file that contains my replies and
comments that I or others have made by email, or just written here
instead of posting to (mainly to) comp.archives.msdos.d, or postings
that I wanted to retain for your information.
   Note that the latest tspost??.zip is always being updated until
it contains 30 messages.  The files are located at the /pc/pd2
directory.
   For an index of all the tspost*.zip files please see
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip.

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

Please note that this index is in reverse order:

1   Dec 31 To Timo Salmi      (32)   /pc/pd2/tspost17.zip file descriptio
2   Dec 8  Timo Salmi         (45)   Re: A kill file example
3   Dec 6  Timo Salmi         (77)   Re: Hostility
4   Dec 6  Timo Salmi         (48)   Re: Computer Addiction
5   Dec 6  Timo Salmi         (124)  CD-ROM distribution limitations
6   Dec 4  Timo Salmi         (96)   Reducing comp.lang.pascal traffic (W
7   Dec 2  To Aryeh Goretsky  (52)   Re: Question about accounting theory
8   Dec 2  To Lennart Borgman (83)   Re: Timo's TypeVade game
9   Nov 24 To Bob Marks       (44)   Re: Garbo's mission
10  Nov 21 To Robert E. Maas  (50)   Re: FTP: Reading directories with ft
11  Nov 18 Steve Walters      (57)   Re: Pc read/write Mac-disks... How!
12  Nov 15 Mark Rogers        (44)   tsbat - level.bat improvements
13  Nov 10 To Andreas Schade  (43)   Re: Question about _files.in
14  Nov 10 To Lambright Chris (37)   Re: Thanks for your help
15  Nov 9  To Robert Rosenbau (265)  Re: MsDos 6.2 upload rejected at Gar
16  Nov 7  To Stephen Wales   (66)   Re: Your TP units and help bits
17  Nov 7  To Carlin Wong     (32)   Re: A problem with tstsr17.zip
18  Nov 5  To Benny Campos    (79)   Re: Uncompress wanted (a FAQ)
19  Nov 3  To Keith Petersen  (70)   Re: My feedback and author's silence
20  Nov 1  Timo Salmi         (45)   Re: Old files on Garbo upload list?
21  Oct 31 Timo Salmi         (52)   Moderator preferences (Was Re: neopn
22  Oct 30 To Johannes grosse (60)   Re: TS2ST22: License/question
23  Oct 30 To Bruce Guthrie   (50)   Re: Author list allows only one item
24  Oct 30 To Seng Ching Hong (35)   Subscribing to c.l.p and the FAQ
25  Oct 22 To Anthony Parfyon (51)   Re: Converting Garbo INDEX to SIMTEL
26  Oct 17 Timo Salmi         (45)   Re: Mark SimTel vs Garbo announcemen
27  Oct 14 Mark Rogers        (52)   TSBAT / User input in .BAT files / A
28  Oct 6  To Halil Ozmen     (48)   Re: garbo1.gif
29  Oct 5  To Kevin Jameson   (61)   Re: garboidx files
30  Oct 5  To Dick Kahane     (69)   Re: CMOS.EXE
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From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Oct  5 06:49:09 1993
Subject: Re: CMOS.EXE
To: 73767.157@CompuServe.COM (Dick Kahane)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 06:49:09 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <931004224554_73767.157_CHG76-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Dick Kahane" at Oct 4, 93 06:45:54 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Timo -
>
> I recently obtained your CMOS.EXE and CMOSALAR.EXE, which were on a disk
> included with Bantam Books' "DOS 6.0 Power Tools."
>
> Unfortunately, when I try to run CMOS.EXE, I get the following error
> message:
>
>      Warning for a patched or detached program, or a potential virus
>      C:\POWER\CMOS.EXE filedate verification error
>
> As I am quite certain that there is no virus on my system, I suspect that
> the problem may be with the filedate on CMOS.EXE.  Like *all* the programs
> on the disk that cam with the book, it is dated 03-15-93 12:00a.
>
> Do you think that resetting the filedate on the program would solve the
> problem?  If so, I would be grateful if you could give me the proper
> filedate.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>    --Dick Kahane
>      73767.157@compuserve.com

Yes, Dick.

CMOS    .EXE       17712  06-10-1992  10:56:38
                          dd-mm-yyyy

Getting the date correct should suffice.  Alternatively you are
welcome to download a good copy from our FTP archives as

 73533 Apr 12 15:16 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsutle22.zip
 tsutle22.zip Timo's 5th utility set (lock keyboard,mailsplit,tdel,cmos,...)

In fact I have complained to the publisher about the problem.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating  at  garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet:  ts@uwasa.fi  Bitnet:  salmi@finfun; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: 06 Oct 93 20:06:48 EDT
-From: 73767.157@CompuServe.COM (Dick Kahane)
-To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Subject: Re: CMOS.EXE

Timo -

Thank you very much.  Correcting the CMOS.EXE file date to 10-06-92
(American system) fixed the problem!

   --Dick




From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Oct  5 23:38:46 1993
Subject: Re: garboidx files
To: jameson@cal.isac.ca (Kevin Jameson)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 23:38:46 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <m0okJ6E-000y5UC@isacal> from "Kevin Jameson" at Oct 5, 93 02:35:00 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Timo, I just went through the process of downloading the index files
> from garbo in order to build a simibm-compatible index file.  I had
> to download two files and run the garboidx conversion program.

Yes, Kevin.  Yes, that is right.

> I wonder if it would be possible for you to add the appropriate few
> commands to your index building scripts.  That would probably save
> many people some time.

I have thought about that, but I have come to the conclusion that we
already have so much adjacent material in different versions that we
shall rather continue providing the basic ingredients and let the
users have the choice how to browse the information.  Myself, I
mostly use

 3754 Apr 27 10:36 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/ts/gfind
 gfind A convenient script for Garbo index searches

I am sure that you have seen innumerable references from me in this
format especially on the news in comp.archives.msdos.d and
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted.

> If you do that, I'd also suggest that you sort the index file by
> date, with the newest files at the top.  It's a bit of a pain to
> search through a list of dates to see which files are new.

I must have it one way or the other, and I prefer the current one
because the alphabetical order is overriding in a list as long as we
have.  Finding material from the list is hard as it is.  This is
where the auxiliary lists like /pc/_dir.zip come into the picture so
that the users can utilize and process the information in accordance
to your own preferences.

> Thanks.  It looks like you have a great collection of astronomy
> pictures on garbo.

The background is that I am interested in planetary science in a
small way as a sideline hobby.

>  kj

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating  at  garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet:  ts@uwasa.fi  Bitnet:  salmi@finfun; FIN-65101,  Finland




From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Oct  6 17:37:18 1993
Subject: Re: garbo1.gif
To: halil@ittpub.nl (Halil Ozmen)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 17:37:18 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <0097391732556F80.2620023A@ittpub.nl> from "Halil Ozmen, halil@ittpub.nl, Ext: 718" at Oct 5, 93 02:48:47 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Dear Mr. Salmi,

Hello Halil,

> I have been reading from several news groups for the last three months,
> and I have ftp-ed several files from Garbo.
> In the "Weekly ftp statistics for Garbo", I see that garbo1.gif, garbo2.gif,
> etc. are always among the most active files by number of retrievals.
> Can you e-mail me about what they are, and where are they placed (which
> directory)?

The garbo-gifs/garbo*.gif files are pictures of Greta Garbo.  They
are an inside joke reflecting (you guessed it!) the name of our FTP
archives.  For more background you might be interesting in

 5589 Aug 18 1992 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/garbohis.zip
 garbohis.zip A popularized history of Garbo archives by Timo Salmi

To view them you need eg

 151016 Feb 3 1993 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/gifutil/cshw860a.zip
 cshw860a.zip CompuShow GIF viewer, standard version

These gifs are one of the rare concessions to our otherwise rather
stringent policiy of concentrating on quality utilities.

> Thank you very much in advance.
> Sincerely yours,

   All the best, Timo

> Halil Ozmen
> halil@ittpub.nl

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating  at  garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet:  ts@uwasa.fi  Bitnet:  salmi@finfun; FIN-65101,  Finland

From mcr@holly.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 15 22:11:20 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: mcr@holly.demon.co.uk (Mark Rogers)
Subject: TSBAT / User input in .BAT files / A little ingenuity
Organization: Unn Ltd.
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 00:48:45 +0000
Status: RO

Timo, and others.

I've been playing around with the various batch file utils in TSBAT,
most of which I found quite useful.  However, the one which shows
how to get user input into an environment variable (I forget what it
is called) was a little bit lacking in ingenuity, so I came up with
this:

********* INPUT.BAT ********

@echo off
if %1@==RECURSE@ goto recurse
echo Type data followed by CTRL-Z {ENTER}
copy CON tmpfile >NUL
copy /b input.bat + tmpfile tmp.bat >NUL
echo. >>tmp.bat
call tmp RECURSE
del tmpfile
del tmp.bat
echo.
echo Response was %S%

:recurse
SET S=

*****************************

The trick is to make sure that the last character in the file is the
= sign after the "SET S" - that is, no spaces, CR-LF or CTRL-Z char.
Unfortunately some editors find this bit hard.

I particularly liked the way the temporary variable S gets unset at
the end of the batch file.  (You'll have to follow through the
programs operation to see what I mean.)

Requires DOS > (Whichever provided CALL), btw.

Comments?

Mark.
--
mcr@holly.demon.co.uk          "I'm an egg in the teeth of a shark" (Squeeze)



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Oct 17 15:21:15 EET 1993
Article: 4144 of comp.archives.msdos.d
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Mark SimTel vs Garbo announcements
Message-ID: <1993Oct17.074552.23112@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
References: <29pp4r$8hj@uafhp.uark.edu>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 07:45:52 GMT
Lines: 29
Status: RO

In article <29pp4r$8hj@uafhp.uark.edu> acrosby@uafhp.uark.edu
(Albert Crosby) writes:
>My mental filter assumed that all simtel-20 announcements had upper case
>filenames and that the new CtC SimTel announcements would too.  I found this
>very convenient, since both Garbo and Simtel receive many duplicate files.  I
:
>Equally appealing would be some kind of a mark at the beginning of the subject
>on upload announcements indicating the archive.

As it is, we just happened to discuss this very same question with
Keith only a couple of minutes ago.  Below is the subject coding
that we decided upon.  We cannot take the space required by putting
in the archive site name, and using upper case for the new SimTel
would not be logical since the main mirror OAK.Oakland.Edu is a Unix
host using lower case.  Besides this way if there are genuine upper
case names (like UPLOAD.INF at Garbo) we will avoid confusion.

SimTel
gismo10.zip - Global Integrated Simulation Model

Garbo (and the rest)
gismo10.zip Global Integrated Simulation Model

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Oct 22 00:05:09 1993
Subject: Re: Converting Garbo INDEX to SIMTEL .IDX Format
To: tony@escape.zgrad.su (Anthony Parfyonov)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 00:05:09 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <2CC64190@escape.zgrad.su> from "Anthony Parfyonov" at Oct 21, 93 04:00:16 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

>Dear Timo,

Hello Garbo User,

> 18 Oct 93 12:02, ts@uwasa.fi wrote to All:
>
>  tf> As you will have seen, your gidx22.zip is now available.
>
> I am interesting if I can download the list of garbo files in .IDX
> format or instead I should download three files: INDEX, _dir.lst and
> gidx22.zip?

Yes, you should download the three files.

> And another question.  There were very convenient files on SIMTEL
> which contains new files uploaded during month.  Their names were
> like SIMyymm.idx (E.g.  sim9308.idx - new files uploaded in
> August,93).  Are there such files on garbo?

Not quite yet, but there will be from the end of this month.  I have
not yet decided on the name.  But if you wish to, you can make such
a list already now yourself.  What you need are the following files

 2081 Sep 30 16:29 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/filelist/garb9309.lst
 garb9309.lst Garbo September 1993 pc updates

 1828 Oct 2 21:56 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/ts/filesin
 filesin Annotate /pc/_files.in upload list with file names

> If all of the above is FAQ, please excuse me and don't answer.

There is nothing wrong with asking a FAQ.

> Sincerely,

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Oct 30 09:12:43 1993
Subject: Subscribing to c.l.p and the FAQ
To: eng35799@nusunix2.nus.sg (Seng Ching Hong)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 09:12:43 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> BTW, since i am posting to you, can you please check if i am subscribe to
> comp.lang.pas? How come i never got the FAQ? If i am not, can you
> subscribe me?

Hello!

I do not maintain the comp.lang.pascal mailing system.  I just write
a lot to comp.lang.pascal, that is all.  But the information about
the list can be found in the very same FAQ you are asking for, that
is

 52590 Aug 18 14:53 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsfaqp15.zip
 tsfaqp15.zip Common Turbo Pascal Questions and Timo's answers

You haven't got the FAQ if you have not FTPd it from an FTP site.
It is not posted to comp.lang.pascal since it is a big multifile
FAQ.  Besides it is a TP FAQ, not a comp.lang.pascal FAQ even if
there is not so much difference between the two in actual practice.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Oct 30 09:27:19 1993
Subject: Re: Author list allows only one item
To: BGU@CU.NIH.GOV (Bruce Guthrie)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 09:27:19 +0200 (EET)
Cc: chris@chrism.demon.co.uk (Chris Marriott)
In-Reply-To: <9310261601.AA01990@uwasa.fi> from "Bruce Guthrie" at Oct 26, 93 11:59:41 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

>
> The problem I've had with this author list is the part about
> selecting one program only.  You can only have one entry?
>
>      +--------------------------+--------------------------+
>      | Bruce Guthrie            | Voice: (202) 482-3234    |
>      | U.S. Dept of Commerce/   | Fax:   (202) 482-2164    |
>      | Economics & Stat's Adm   | E-Mail: BGU@CU.NIH.GOV   |
>      +--------------------------+--------------------------+

Yes, Bruce, only one *line* is allowed in /pc/pd2/author*.zip, and
you can only make one entry.  You can utilize the "Other info" line
a bit though.  There are several reasons for this sparsity:

- This is is an address rather than a product list
- I want to keep its size manageable
- The present format is convenient for the alternative ReadMail browser

An example

 Key:        Derr, James                (The key is just for sorting)
 Author:     James (Jim) Derr
 Program:    SHEZ Compression Companion
 Company:    California Software Design
 Email:      76266.2634@compuserve.com
 Address:    P.O. Box 15248, Santa Rosa, Ca. 95402, USA
 Voice:      (707) 575-9868
 BBS:        (707) 538-8710
 Fax:        -
 Other info: Also authors File Finder Pack

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Oct 30 11:50:19 1993
Subject: Re: TS2ST22: License/question
To: jbeilag@gwdg.de (Johannes grosse Beilage)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 11:50:19 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9310292156.AA17132@gwdu03.gwdg.de> from "Johannes grosse Beilage" at Oct 29, 93 10:56:50 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Dear Prof. Salmi,

Hello Johannes,

You are most welcome to call me Timo.

> your TS2ST22 Program seems to be very useful for me, but I have three short
> questions:

We are thus speaking about
 75132 May 20 11:38 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/ts2st22.zip
 ts2st22.zip Statistics: Multiple (OLS) regression analysis

> 1) Are there some electronic explanations available about the statistical
> backgroudn (what's DURBIN WATSON and DEVIATION FROM UNIT MATRIX, for
> example)?

I am afraid not.  You see, my true field is accounting and business
finance, not statistics.  I just write programs as a serious hobby
and have only some elementary knowledge about statistics.  What I
know already is documentented in the package's information file.

> 2) Is it possible to 'boost up' your program for more observations (I have
> several data sets of four variables with nearly 1900 observations)

The dimensions of the registered version are 25 variables and 400
observations.  Other dimensions would require individualized
customization, and that would be consultation.

> 3) How to get a license for your program? What does it cost?

You wouldn't want to know :-).  The registration of my programs is
targeted solely at firms and institutions.  To be stupidly honest,
my suggestion to individual users is to buy a fully commercial
full-scale statistics package instead of considering mine.

   All the best, Timo

> Thank you in advance
> Yours
> Johannes grosse Beilage  <jbeilag@gwdg.de>
> Inst. of agric. engineering
> Goettingen, Germany

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Oct 31 10:10:50 EET 1993
Article: 4352 of comp.archives.msdos.d
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Moderator preferences (Was Re: neopnt2a.zip corrupt ...)
Message-ID: <1993Oct31.080319.12040@uwasa.fi>
Keywords: neopnt2a.zip, corrupt, Simtel
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
References: <2as6ak$cvt@ausom.ausom.oz.au> <9310302016.AA303@SimTel.Coast.NET>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 08:03:19 GMT
Lines: 36
Status: RO

In article <9310302016.AA303@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes:
> When you have a question or comment regarding a problem with files in
> the SimTel Software Repository please send them to me by e-mail rather
> than posting them to the whole world.
:
> Keith

Dear Garbo Users in particular.  Please respect Keith's wishes in
his preferred mode of getting SimTel questions.

Please also be aware that I have somewhat different preferences
about Garbo users' questions and about the users giving feedback
publicly about problem programs at Garbo, because my full-time job
is not Garbo moderating.  Believe it or not :-) I do have a main
teaching, research and administrative profession to take care of.

In particular users tend to email me questions like "Can you point
me to a program that does this or that", and "can you help me with
this or that".  I genuinely welcome the questions, but be fair.  I
often cannot take the time consult users individually.  For me it is
much more efficient to try to reply in public if I know the answer,
so that I manage it at one go.  As a professional teacher of a
discipline (accounting and business finance) with a big student
enrollment I have a somewhat wholesale attitude to teaching and
giving advice.

Of course common sense applies in striking a balance. What I said
above is *NOT* meant to be that categorical!

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Nov  1 06:37:51 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Old files on Garbo upload list?
Message-ID: <1993Nov1.043707.19323@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 04:37:07 GMT
Lines: 32
Status: RO

In article <752104536snz@nowster.demon.co.uk> pm@nowster.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <ts9310311016.20921@chyde.uwasa.fi> ts@chyde.uwasa.fi writes:
>
>>An annotated list of new Garbo files, October 1993
>>Sun Oct 31 10:02:52 GMT 1993
:
>>tavid12.zip
>> 39407 Dec 21 1988 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/assembler/tavid12.zip
>> tavid12.zip Fast assembly language screen writes for TP
:
>Some of these file dates look a little old for October 1993. Is anything
>wrong? I can see that moving a file into /pc/goldies might trigger an
>announcement, but the others?

Its a good question, Paul, but no, nothing is wrong.  The datestamp
of all .zip files at Garbo is set to be the same as that of the
latest file within the archive.  I prefer that to the other
alternative which would be having the datestamp taken from the
upload time.  It is just that some of the acquired / uploaded files
really date back.

Yes, you are right.  Besides, not only moving a file but also
renaming it always triggers the announcement.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Nov  5 07:29:38 1993
Subject: Re: Uncompress wanted (a FAQ)
To: bcampos@spock.unm.edu (Benny Campos)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 07:29:38 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9311042340.AA12223@spock.unm.edu> from "Benny Campos" at Nov 4, 93 04:40:19 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Timo
>
> You seem like the person to ask this question, how can I take a UNIX
> compressed file (.Z file), put it on a PC (dos) and uncompress it ?

> I don't think PKUNZIP will work, is there a routine I can use and
> where can I get it.  Thanks for your help.

Dear User,

Please don't be put off by the response below.  I always look
forward to hearing from fellow users, and I hope that you do not
hesitate to contact me also in the future.

I was very pleased to get your question.  However, I would prefer
these FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) queries asking me of
well-covered advice and help to be posted in a suitable newsgroup
where I can pick and answer at one go.  If you post instead of
emailing me there is the added advantage of having a wider audience
of potential fellow users who might be able to give you additional
answers to what can easily be read from the common FAQs.

Please understand my situation.  There is nothing wrong with asking
a FAQ.  But as an archive site maintainer I get so much computer
related email that there is no other way I can cope with all of it.
I cannot repeatedly afford taking the time to edit the appropriate
parts from the readily-available FAQs as private, customized email
consultation.  This is an on-the-side hobby for me.  I have an
actual research and teaching profession in an unrelated area
(accounting and business finance) to take care of.

Anyway, here is a reply to your question.  I will be posting a copy
of this reply to comp.compression and comp.archives.msdos.d

An extract from

 11815 Nov 5 07:08 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/camfaq.zip
 camfaq.zip comp.archives.msdos.(d/announce) Frequently Asked Questions

12. *****
 Q: What is tar.Z? Where can I find tar for MsDos? What about
    uudecode, compress?

 A: These formats (tar and Z) are (usually) Unix files.  The files
with the .Z extension are compressed files which you'll need to
uncompress.  Uncompress is available as a standard feature on Unix
systems (try "man uncompress").  You can get it for MsDos as well eg
as "ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/unix/comp430d.zip".  You can also use
/pc/unix/gzip124.zip.  For more on this and many similar MsDos
utilities questions recurring over and over again please see for
example Samuel Ko's "The Most Useful MSDOS Programs at SimTel and
Garbo" "ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/filelist/useful*.zip".
   Tarred files with the extension of .tar ("tape archives") can be
handled with a tar program on a Unix system, or on MsDos with the
utilities pointed to in "useful*.zip" like "ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/unix/
tar4dos.zoo" and "/pc/arcutil/tar312us.zip".  On Unix try "man tar".
You'll also find some further information in "/unix/ts/0news-u" of
for processing tar files on Unix.
   Uuencoding is a 7-bit format for sending files in ordinary ascii
format.  On a Unix system see "man uudecode" and for MsDos get
"ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/decode/uuexe522.zip" and/or see gain
"useful*.zip".

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Nov  7 09:28:38 1993
Subject: Re: A problem with tstsr17.zip
To: cwong5@neptune.calstatela.edu (Carlin Wong)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 09:28:38 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9311062316.AA16566@neptune.calstatela.edu> from "Carlin Wong" at Nov 6, 93 03:16:00 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Hmm.  Speaking of your programs, I got one of your packages...
> TSTSR17.ZIP.  The clock looks wonderful, but it seems to conflict
> with my programs.  It is totally incompatible with DESQVIEW, but
> that is what I mainly use.  My communications program has a clock,
> but I was hoping to add one to Turbo Pascal.
>
> Carlin

Hello Carlin,

I am not in surprised that my resident clock and DEWQVIEW clash.
TSRs are tricky.  RESCLOCK.EXE is not geared to multitasking.  But
if one runs Turbo Pascal and RESCLOCK.EXE in the vanilla MsDos
environment, there should be no insurmountable problems.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Nov  7 09:46:45 1993
Subject: Re: Your TP units and help bits
To: stephenw@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Stephen Wales)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 09:46:45 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <0097529E.0D0AB7DA.9607@devvax.mincom.oz.au> from "Stephen Wales" at Nov 7, 93 02:27:06 am
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Status: RO

> > tspa3340.zip Turbo Pascal 4.0 units for (real:-) programmers.
> > tspa3350.zip Turbo Pascal 5.0 units for (real:-) programmers.
> > tspa3355.zip Turbo Pascal 5.5 units for (real:-) programmers.
> > tspa3360.zip Turbo Pascal 6.0 units for (real:-) programmers.
> > tspa3370.zip Turbo Pascal 7.0 real mode units for (real:-) programmers.
>
> Timo,

Hello Steve!

> I'm a (real :-) programmer just getting back into Pascal on the PC -
> I'm going out to buy TP next week.

That's nice.  It is a fine environment and the most flexible
implementation of Pascal there is.  At first it might be a bit
overwhelming, though, since Turbo Pascal and Borland Pascal come
with such a plethora of material and options.  One of the nicest
features in TP is the integrated debugger.  Also one can break the
640K barrier with Borland Pascal.

> What can you tell me about your TP units and other useful bits of
> code you've written ??

I would suggest taking a look at

 52590 Aug 18 14:53 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsfaqp15.zip
 tsfaqp15.zip Common Turbo Pascal Questions and Timo's answers

As for the units, they come with a full list of routines "TSPAS.SUM
Function & procedure summary", so the best answer is to refer to
that.

> Being a programmer by profession (although not in Pascal) I always
> reuse code as much as possible - why re-invent the wheel ??

Exactly.  However, you will also in due time wish to take a look at
Garbo's /pc/turbopas directory.  The problem with my units is that
they do not come with souce code.  Incidentally, there is plenty of
souce code included on the TP and BP distribution disks.

> Thanks for any help.

   All the best, Timo

> Regards,
> Steve.
> | | | | | |   Stephen Wales               | Internet: stephenw@mincom.oz.au
> | | | | | |   Software Support Specialist | ** Aussie in exile **
> | | | | | |   Mincom USA, Inc.            |
> |M|I|N|C|O|M  Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.    | No employer opinion included

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Nov  9 07:24:35 1993
Subject: Re: MsDos 6.2 upload rejected at Garbo
To: rrosen@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Robert Rosenbaum)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 07:24:35 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9311082335.AA11754@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu> from "Robert Rosenbaum" at Nov 8, 93 06:35:43 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> In comp.archives.msdos.announce you write:
>
> >I am not overly surprised that someone uploaded
> >-rw------- 1339776 Nov 5 18:36 stepup.exe
> >to Garbo.
:
> >not accepted.  What material we have, must be openly distributable.  It
> >is very obvious from many postings on the net that this is not.
:
> You are excluding this on the basis of net.gossip?  Will you not at
> least contact Microsoft, and ask for permission to make it available?

As you will by now have seen from the MicroSoft statement copied and
posted to the net, my decision is based on much more than idle net
gossip.

> After all, it is free software.  They may indeed let you do it.

This might become as a surprise, but I am not so sure I would even
want it at Garbo.  We are not after maximizing our download traffic
but offering quality material.  (This does not mean that 6.2 isn't,
on the contrary).  Of course everything we do in a way supports
MicroSoft, and I have nothing against that, per se.  But
distributing a *1.3Mb* MsDos 6.2 from Garbo, even legally, would be
too close to carrying the distribution costs of what underneath is
fully commercial material even if technically it is free.  If
MicroSoft lifted the ban by themselves, and StepUp became generally
available from MsDos ftp sites, I would reconsider.  But to be
blunt, I do not have enough of a cause to initiate such a request to
MicroSoft from Garbo.

> Rob

   All the best, Timo

> Robert Rosenbaum                  rrosen@caip.rutgers.edu (email)
> (609) 829-9218 (home voice)       708 Cornell Ave 08077-3522 (home address)
> (908) 932-0544 (work voice)       CAIP, CoRE Bldg 08855-1390 (work address)
> (908) 932-4775 (work FAX)         (609) 786-4474 (home FAX)

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



-Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 19:25:22 GMT
-From: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce
-Subject: MsDos 6.2 upload rejected at Garbo

Garbo Uploaders,

I am not overly surprised that someone uploaded

-rw------- 1339776 Nov 5 18:36 stepup.exe

to Garbo.

I am afraid that you are just wasting your valuable time even if you
might have meant well.  The Garbo incoming directories are
write-only from the outside.  This is deliberate from our side.  I
will not be making this file publicly available but deleting it,
because no controversial or non-distributable material will be
accepted.  What material we have, must be openly distributable.  It
is very obvious from many postings on the net that this is not.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: 8 Nov 93 04:48:54 GMT
-From: Mr_Gigabyte@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
-Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
-Subject: Re: What blocks 6.2 via FTP?

AGH!!!! How much bandwidth has to be wasted over this issue?? Here
is the statement from the Seattle Microsoft BBS regarding uploading
this STEPUP program elsewhere:

This option enables you to download the MS-DOS 6.2 StepUp.  The
StepUp is designed to update MS-DOS 6.0 systems to MS-DOS 6.2 and
will only run on a PC running MS-DOS 6.0

To download these files, you must first register your name and
address.  (The file is about 1.3mb in size.)

The MSDOS 6.2 StepUp CANNOT BE RE-DISTRIBUTED on ANY other BBS!!!
NOTE: The MS-DOS 6.2 Step Up is provided under license for you for
internal use only in connection with your validly licensed copies of
MS-DOS 6.0.  You may not redistribute the software.  Posting of the
software on any other bulletin board service constitutes a violation
of the license agreement for the software.

To register and download the files now, press 'Y'.  Otherwise press
'N' to cancel.  (Y)



-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 21:38:34 GMT
-From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Subject: Re: MS-DOS 6.2 free? Why not on SIMTEL/INTERnet ?

chuth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Cornel H. Huth) writes:
>In article <31815@mindlink.bc.ca> Mr_Gigabyte@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:
>>> [Timo reprints my screen dump from the Microsoft BBS explaining why this
>>> is so]
>
>Didn't explain it to me. Read more like a "this is the way it is". I suppose
>by controlling its access (CIS, MS's BBS, conventional distribution channels)
>they can keep count of how many "StepUps" are made.

I believe the real reason that Microsoft wants to control how this
update is distributed is to avoid legal problems from people who may
have gotten their copy from a "non-authorative" source which either
corrupted it in some way or introduced a virus.

By requiring that the end user get the update on disk, from the MS
BBS, from CIS or from GEnie, they assure that there is only "one
hop" between the source and the end user, thus avoiding the possible
corruption problem.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen, General Manager of the SimTel Software Repository, a
service mark of Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Clarkston, MI, U.S.A.
Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET     or       w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
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-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 21:42:08 GMT
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
-Subject: Re: Where is DOS 6.2

In article <1993Nov9.205925.20612@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> harring@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Peter B. Harrington) writes:
>       2) MS should deposit the Stepup package at some ftp sites.  The
>          cost is only meant to cover the disk and distribution.  There
>          should be no cost in using internet.

This statement reflects a popular misconception many of us tend to
have.  Neither the FTP sites nor InterNet are costless free
commodities even if we don't personally pay for the services we so
readily enjoy without much further thought.  As an FTP site
maintainer I can assure you that someone does carry the tab.

Besides, using the feed to distribute this material in a big way
would be walking the tightrope of commercial utilization of the net.
Personally I have nothing against (or for) that, per se, but the
tenets of InterNet just might.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 10:11:12 +0200 (EET)
-From: ts
-To: stewartd@indirect.com (Stewart Doboze)
-Subject: Re: your mail

> Hello professor Timo! I think you ftp site is the greatest!

Thank you.

> Where can I get the 6.2 upgrade from? It's for a friend. I heard that it

Seems from the postings on the news that MicroSoft BBS is the spot.
I have no further information on that.

> isn't on the internet due to licensing restrictions. I should hope

True.  This has been a hotly debated issue recently especially in
comp.os.msdos.* newsgroups.  But note the other side of the coin.
Even if it (StepUp) were freely distributable for the MsDos FTP
sites, I would not automatically accept it to Garbo.  No, because it
would be too close for my comfort to my university and the net
paying the distribution costs of what underneath is a fully
commercial product.  If all commercial producers would start
distributing their megabyte updates through InterNet I am sure that
there would be a comparable hue and cry as there is now that they
don't :-).

You might not be aware of it, since it was not much discussed on the
net, but there was a bit similar case earlier with Borland's Turbo &
Borland Pascal 7.1 upgrade.  Garbo did not take that either.

> microsoft has an ftp site. Do they?

Yes, they do, but the file is not there the last I heard.  Take a
peek at

 13867 Oct 16 06:50 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/moder32.zip
 moder32.zip A list of MsDos FTP sites and moderators

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 07:19:11 GMT
-From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce
-Subject: MS-DOS 6.2 Step Up (upgrade) now available from ftp.microsoft.com

Those who have been requesting the MS-DOS 6.2 upgrade package will be
pleased to know that it is now available from Microsoft's official ftp
site.

ftp.microsoft.com:/peropsys/msdos/msdos6.2/readme.txt
ftp.microsoft.com:/peropsys/msdos/msdos6.2/stepup.exe

When you cd to that directory the following notice appears:

NOTE: The MS-DOS 6.2 Step Up is provided under license for you to make and
use copies for internal use only in connection with your validly licensed
copies of MS-DOS 6.0.  You may not redistribute the software. Posting of
the software in any other location on Internet, or on any other bulletin
board service constitutes a violation of the license agreement for the
software.

===

Beware:  The stepup.exe file is 1.3 megabytes.  Make sure you have enough
room to store it before you begin the ftp transfer.  This is a binary file.

I have no connection with Microsoft.  This announcement is posted for
informational purposes only.  I have no futher information.

Keith
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[Epilogue]

Microsoft lost a 120 million dollar lawsuit about the disk
compression in MsDos 6+.  The stepup.exe file to version 6.2 was
subsequently withdrawn from ftp.microsoft.com.


-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 23:21:10 GMT
-From: jpn@genrad.com (John P. Nelson)
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce
-Subject: English language version of DOS 6.22 step-up (ftp.microsoft.com)

The English language version of the DOS 6.22 step-up is now available
on ftp.microsoft.com in the directory peropsys/msdos/msdos622/english.

The following document is stored as NEW4_622.TXT, one directory up:

------------------------
Why Step Up to MS-DOS 6.22?

MS-DOS 6.22 improves on the safety and ease of use provided by
MS-DOS 6.X and is designed for users of MS-DOS 6.X only.

This Readme file contains two parts.  The first part explains
what functionality changes your system undergoes when using the
6.22 Step-Up depending on the version of MS-DOS 6.X.  The second
part describes features in MS-DOS 6.22 which are incremental to
those in MS-DOS 6.0.

If you currently have:
MS-DOS 5.0 or before
   You cannot use the Step-Up. You must have MS-DOS 6.x to use
   the Step-Up to upgrade to MS-DOS 6.22

MS-DOS 6.0
   You'll gain all of the MS-DOS 6.22 features and functionality
   including Data Protection Technology.  You can opt to keep
   DoubleSpace compression or replace it with DriveSpace compression.

MS-DOS 6.2
   You will not gain any incremental functionality other than gaining
   the opportunity to convert your DoubleSpace compressed volume file
   to DriveSpace.

MS-DOS 6.21
   You'll gain the DriveSpace compression technology and all of the
   rest of the features listed below.

Safety Features and Enhancements

* MS-DOS 6.22 includes ScanDisk, that detects, diagnoses, and repairs disk
   errors on uncompressed drives and DriveSpace and DoubleSpace compressed
   drives. ScanDisk can repair file system errors (such as crosslinks and
   lost clusters) and physical disk errors. ScanDisk keeps a log of its
   repairs and enables you to undo any of the changes it made. DriveSpace
   runs ScanDisk to check the reliability of your disk before it begins
   compression. You can also run ScanDisk yourself by typing SCANDISK at the
   command prompt.

*  DriveSpace includes DoubleGuard safety checking, which protects your
   data by verifying data integrity before writing to the disk. If DoubleGuard
   detects that the memory DriveSpace is using has been written to by another
   program, it notifies you and recommends you shut down your computer
   immediately to minimize damage to your data

*  The MS-DOS extended-memory manager, HIMEM, automatically tests your
   system's memory when you start your computer.  This test can identify
   memory chips that are no longer reliable.  If you wish to turn off the
   memory test, add the /TESTMEM:OFF switch to the command that starts HIMEM.

*  Setup now configures SMARTDrive as a read-only cache by default. Even if
   write-caching is enabled, MS-DOS does not display the command prompt
   until SMARTDrive has written its cache to your disk.

*  The MOVE,COPY, and XCOPY commands now ask you for confirmation before
   copying a file over another file that has the same name. (These commands
   do not prompt for confirmation before overwriting a file when issued from
   a batch file to maintain compatibility with the large base of  MS-DOS
   batch files.)

Ease-of-Use Features and Other Enhancements

*  SMARTDrive now caches CD-ROM drives.

*  DriveSpace automatically mounts compressed floppy disks and other
   compressed removable media -- even when Windows is running.

*  With MS-DOS 6.22, you can easily uncompress a DriveSpace drive or even
   completely uninstall DriveSpace from memory

*  With MS-DOS 6.22, you can easily convert a DoubleSpace drive to DriveSpace

*  Interactive Start (F8) has been enhanced so you can now bypass or carry
   out individual commands in your AUTOEXEC.BAT. (In MS-DOS 6, this
   capability was limited to your CONFIG.SYS file.) This feature makes it
   easier to troubleshoot your system configuration.

* No-Swap Diskcopy:  The DISKCOPY command now uses your hard disk
   as an interim storage area, which makes copying from one floppy disk to
   another faster and easier.

*  Microsoft Defragmenter makes better use of your computer's extended
   memory, so it can now defragment much larger disks and disks containing
   many more files and directories.

*  The output of the DIR, MEM, CHKDSK, and FORMAT commands is much easier to
   read, since it now includes thousands separators when displaying numbers
   greater than 999. For example, "1000000 bytes free" now reads "1,000,000
   bytes free."

- -
     john nelson (jpn@genrad.com)



From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Nov 10 12:29:40 1993
Subject: Re: Thanks for your help
To: chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright Christian P)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 12:29:40 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.87.9311092029.A1144-0100000@jove.acs.unt.edu> from "Lambright Christian P" at Nov 9, 93 08:49:29 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Professor Salmi;
>   I wanted to let you know how much I appreciated your taking the
> time to help me.  I had posted a note to the comp.lang.pascal asking
> for help with a procedure to convert numbers (characters) input by a
> user into their numerical equivalent.  Being in my first year of
> Turbo Pascal at times I wonder if I really know what I am doing, so
> I very much appreciated your sending the code.  I thought I would
> still be sitting here staring at my monitor, but instead I'm moving
> right along.  Again, thanks very much.
>
>                                          Chris Lambright
>                                          chrisl@jove.unt.edu

Hello Chris,

I am very pleased to hear that you found the information useful,
which I extracted from my

 55645 Nov 7 13:59 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsfaqp16.zip
 tsfaqp16.zip Common Turbo Pascal Questions and Timo's answers

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Nov 10 23:52:36 1993
Subject: Re: Question about _files.in
To: andreass@evitech.fi (Andreas Schade)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 23:52:36 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9311101735.AA05139@evtol.evitech.fi> from "Andreas Schade" at Nov 10, 93 07:35:56 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Hello Timo,

Hi Andreas,

> When I log into GARBO, which I do on a daily basis sometimes in the after-
> noon, I check out the 2 files _files.in and its equivalent in the Windows
> directory immediately. Unfortunately, the info only contains the filename
> and the directory, but no description.
> Do you have a particular reason for leaving out the "one line information"
> or did you just never think of putting it there ?
> At least I am not necassarily able to figure out the contents of a parti-
> cular program from a 8+3 letter name.
> I don't think the file size is a major concern, it is way under 3k in any
> case and I figure I keep your system busy without a real need for it.

There is a very simple solution to your dilemma:

 1985 Oct 31 12:15 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/unix/ts/filesin
 filesin Annotate /pc/_files.in upload list with file names

> Terv. Andreas

   All the best, Timo

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andreas Schade                        Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology
> andreass@evtol.evitech.fi             Department of Information Technology
> Home phone +358-0-7015657             02630 Espoo, Vanha maantie 6

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

From mcr@holly.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 16 22:33:35 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: mcr@holly.demon.co.uk (Mark Rogers)
Subject: tsbat - level.bat improvements
Organization: Unn Ltd.
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 13:31:44 +0000
Status: RO

Hi, Timo and all.

I've been playing with the tsbat collection again and I've found a simple
improvement which will speed up "level.bat" considerably.

All you need to do is insert lines such as:
    if not errorlevel 16 goto _15
    if not errorlevel 51 goto _50

before the line
    if errorlevel==255 echo errorlevel==255

and then insert the relevant labels, eg as marked * below:
    .
    .
    if errorlevel==51 if not errorlevel==52 echo errorlevel==51
*   :_50
    if errorlevel==50 if not errorlevel==51 echo errorlevel==50
    .
    .
    if errorlevel==16 if not errorlevel==17 echo errorlevel==16
*   :_15
    if errorlevel==15 if not errorlevel==16 echo errorlevel==15

Then most of the slow errorlevel checks are skipped in the majority of
cases where only single digit levels are used.

Simple checks with "level dir" gave several seconds improvement.

Mark.
--
mcr@holly.demon.co.uk                Calling all members of the Lions or Leos
                             international organisations .... Please mail me!



From w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET  Thu Nov 18 20:46:01 1993
Date: 18 Nov 1993 15:50:25 GMT
From: swwalters@fl51mail.space.honeywell.com (Steve Walters)
To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Pc read/write Mac-disks... How!
X-Organization: Honeywell, Inc.
X-Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:30:33 EST
Resent-From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen)
Status: RO

  [ Forwarding Comment: Timo, please put this in the FAQ.  This has been
    edited to add "Mac-In-DOS" to the part where Steve referred to it but
    couldn't remember its name.  I also added some additional info about
    OAK and a header on the file listing.  Thanks, Steve!  -- Keith ]

In article <2cfslv$l8g@due.uninett.no>
db117@oliven.bih.no (Jan F. Leversund) writes:

> I am in need of a program to read/write Macintosh HD disks. Does anyone know
> of such a program? I'm not asking for a program to emulate the Mac, merely
> read, write and format Mac disks on my PC.

Two ShareWare programs are available.  Both are available from the Simtel
Software Repository primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117):

Directory /pub/msdos/dskutl/
 Filename   Type Length   Date    Description
==============================================
mac-ette.zip  B   19932  930108  Read 1.4meg Mac floppies in a 1.44meg PC drive
macse31d.zip  B   82394  930827  Read/write Mac disks on PC. DOS & WIN3.x. DEMO
macsee22.zip  B   54701  930325  Read/write Macintosh disks on PC. DOS & WIN3.x

macsee will read and write mac files.  It is crippled to allow only
text (ascii) files to be transferred.  It also has an overabundance of
nag screens.  It has a dos and windows version.

mac-ette will read mac disks only.  It is quick and easy.  Only
drawbacks: 1) can't write to mac disks, 2)  crashes on Zenith PC's.

Neither program will format mac disks.  Macsee is supposed to be able
to do it once you pay for the program, but who knows if that is true?
It is too crippled to be evaluated.

There is also a commercially sold program, Mac-In-DOS, on the market
that is supposed to read, write, and format.

My recommendation:  Use Mac-ette to read mac disks.  Get yourself a
copy of Apple File Exchange to both read and write PC disks on your
Mac.  Format the disks ahead of time on the proper machine.

================================================================
==   Steve Walters                             | My opinions  ==
==   Honeywell, Inc. --> Clearwater, FL        | are my own   ==
==   swwalters@fl51mail.space.honeywell.com    |              ==
================================================================

Timo's P.S.  I tried
 82660 Jul 6 1993 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/diskutil/macse31d.zip
 macse31d.zip Read/write Mac disks on PC, A.Reeve (useful, nagware)
with good success.


From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Nov 21 16:57:12 1993
Subject: Re: FTP: Reading directories with ftp
To: rem@public.btr.com (Robert E. Maas rem@btr.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 16:57:12 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9311211429.AA05311@public.btr.com> from "Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com" at Nov 21, 93 06:29:28 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Is there any chance that when you post pointers such as
> /pc/pd2/tspost07.zip
> that you could also include a brief abstract/description of that file
> so people would have a good idea what they're bothering to download
> and decompress? For example, is this a complete manual on FTP where the
> user would have to search through hundreds of pages to find the tip on
> paging, or is it a specific FAQ item dealing with this one question that
> has been asked before, or is it a FAQ file containing perhaps thirty
> common questions of which ONE is on the desired topic, or ...?
> I don't need this particular info since I have a Macintosh which has
> scrollable windows so I just scroll back to see the first few files,
> in fact I often copy the whole list of files to a local edit window then
> do all my browsing and editing in that local window. But other readers might
> want to know what that ZIP file is exactly before bothering to fetch it etc.

Hi Robert,

This is a very good question.  It gives me a good idea for a new
development.  In the case of the /pc/pd2/tspost*.zip there is a
general index

 13968 Nov 20 08:56 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip
 tspost00.zip Index for /pc/pd2/tspost*.zip Information email & postings

But there is no *common* index for the rest of my FAQs on garbo.
I'll have to prepare such and index, or even maybe include it in
tspost00.zip (I think I'll do that).

I wish I could follow your original suggestion of including the
abstract in my postings, but here the usual "disclaimer" applies.  I
can't afford the extra work it would cause.  I am compelled to
economize in my answering as much as I can in order to cope.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Nov 24 20:26:45 1993
Subject: Re: Garbo's mission
To: rjm@ihcase.att.com (Bob Marks)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 20:26:45 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9311241332.AA18732@uwasa.fi> from "rjm@ihcase.att.com" at Nov 24, 93 07:30:00 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Timo,
>
> Can you point me to the proper documentation I should review in
> order to determine when I should access garbo versus a simtel
> mirror? I know, by reading comp.os.msdos.announce, that some
> software will show up on both systems, but I believe (maybe I'm
> wrong) that some only shows up on one or the other.
>
> I don't wish to waste bandwidth browsing an overseas repository.
> Thanks for your guidance.
>
> Bob Marks
> robert.j.marks@att.com

Yours is a good question Bob.  But you don't need to go overseas
since both sites have mirrors on both sides of the Atlantic.  As for
which site to go for, it is very much up to the user.  The biggest
difference between SimTel and Garbo is their scope.  SimTel is much
broader, while Garbo specializes.  Perhaps the biggest divergence is
that Garbo gathers and carries some FAQ material which SimTel may
not carry like the /pc/pd2/tspost*.zip feedback postings.  Also
while the coverage of the two sites may end up being very much the
same, Garbo emphasizes programming and education since both are in
direct interests of its maintainers Garbo being university funded.
Our fundamental goal can be stated as "The enhancement of skills,
rational knowledge and scientific understanding".

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Dec  2 07:06:36 1993
Subject: Re: Timo's TypeVade game
To: DRACOLBN@gemini.ldc.lu.se (Lennart Borgman)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 07:06:36 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <99D7C55B659F00C05E@gemini.ldc.lu.se> from "Lennart Borgman" at Dec 1, 93 11:14:00 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

>
> About TYPEVADE.EXE    Game for learning fast typing
>
> Hallo Timo.
>
> I have been testing your program TYPEVADE. I found it good so I have
> some suggestions to make it even better (in my taste).

Hi Lennart!

This is excellent feedback on my

 80005 Aug 10 1991 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsgmeb15.zip
 tsgmeb15.zip Timo's educational games: typevade, revegame, witpin.

> I believe that when you type you have words in your mind, not
> characters. It is kind of an analogy to reading, you read words, not
> characters. Therefore I think it would be good to have words, not any
> letters coming in to the screen. They must of course be coming from
> the right to make it meaningful, separated by spaces so you could
> recognize them. To make this more meaningful the user should be able
> to supply any text file as a word list. The hitting logic must be
> changed a little bit to use words, it should prefer hitting on the
> same line, if there are several hits on a character on different
> lines.

Perhaps with the exception of the space, I'll certainly consder this.

> I should also prefer another way of changing the speed. I can hardly
> manage the "moderate" speed and I am not too bad at typing. Could
> there not be a digit specifying the speed? I guess the trouble in my
> own case could be that I am using one of the 486 with double inner
> clock frequency.

This also is a very good suggestion.  The clock frequency, however,
should have nothing to do with this since the pace is based on
elapsed times rather than internal cycles.

>    With best wishes, Lennart. Below are some comments on my own
>    tryes in this area.

I'll include them in this reply, since I am storing it into
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/pd2/tspost17.zip.

   All the best, Timo

> ---
> Some years ago (10 I think) I wrote a program for learning typing.
> Here is what I learned from that. I think it could interest you:
>
> It was written for VMS systems with VT100 terminals so it could not be so
> very fancy. I used the idea of typing a text shown in an upper window,
> telling the user every time he made a mistake, putting a mark on the
> screen. He then immediately had to retype the word he "misspelled" a
> specific number of times, default five. I think this retyping was good.
> But one thing was bad: the users did not want to get interrupted every
> time they made a misstake. I think it would have been better to save the
> misspelled word and have the user retyping them later, for example after
> having finished a certain part of a file (some commands could be used in
> the file) or after typing a full window.
>
> I used it myself to learn typewriting. One other thing I thought was
> good was to type a text I liked. I used to type some song texts that I
> liked. Typing the song text increased my speed in a convenient way, I
> wanted to keep the same speed as the song.
>

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Dec  2 11:13:24 1993
Subject: Re: Question about accounting theory paper
To: aryeh@mcafee.com (Aryeh Goretsky)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 11:13:24 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <199312020859.AAA13624@mail.netcom.com> from "McAfee Associates" at Dec 2, 93 00:59:34 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Status: RO

> Timo,

Hi Aryeh,

> Is the paper in English or Finnish?  I assume that it's in English
> and am going to retrieve it for our three CPA's, but it would be
> helpful to let ignorant folks like myself know :-)

 17314 Nov 30 15:29 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tscmpacc.zip
 tscmpacc.zip Review of Finnish Expenditure-Revenue Accounting

It is fully in English, from start to finnish :-).  I would not have
announced it internationally otherwise.  The only Finnish material I
have at Garbo archives are the old exams for my students.

I am very pleased to hear of this interest.  Say hellow from me to
your certified public accountants.  The paper dates back to 1978,
but the subject is still current.  However my own research interests
have since moved a bit and now center on financial statement
analysis.

> Regards,
>
> Aryeh

Take care my friend.

All the best, Timo

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..................................................................
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Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Dec  4 20:47:03 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Reducing comp.lang.pascal traffic (Was Re: tp_ascii.zip ...)
Message-ID: <1993Dec4.171705.1865@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 17:17:05 GMT
Status: RO

A word of explanation.  I cancelled this posting to comp.lang.pascal
soon after.  I posted it because sometimes I have to let off some
steam when the feedback feels too unfair considering the effort I
put into the net hopefully helping a lot of users.  Not for the
humor impaired: There is more about this pointer dilemma in
FAQNEWS.TXT item #19 in ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsfaqn38.zip.

In article <ts9312031757.21785@chyde.uwasa.fi> ts@chyde.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>Fri 3-Dec-93: Captured from comp.binaries.ibm.pc
> 12495 Aug 1 15:17 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/turbopas/tp_ascii.zip
> tp_ascii.zip Ascii chart, especially for TP, P.Hagglund
>
>   All the best, Timo

I have, again, got a complaint about posting my frequent FAQ
pointers to comp.lang.pascal (this time about my unsubscribe
pointer).  Rest assured.  I have no desire to impose my already
strecthed time to cluttering this newsgroup with unwelcome advice.

In fact I can abide even better than that to save you bandwidth and
its costs.  Since all these Garbo upload announcements are posted to
comp.archives.msdos.announce anyway, why not save myself the extra
keystrokes it takes me to bring these announcements also to
comp.lang.pascal.  That way you are spared the added traffic.

See you when and if I have calmed down.

Have a nice day.

Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: 6 Dec 93 15:30:56 -0500
-From: sjmadsen@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Steve Madsen)
-Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
-Subject: Re: Reducing comp.lang.pascal traffic (Was Re: tp_ascii.zip ...)

Timo Salmi (ts@uwasa.fi) wrote:
> I have, again, got a complaint about posting my frequent FAQ
> pointers to comp.lang.pascal (this time about my unsubscibe

        This is ridiculous.  I am really sick and tired of people
complaining about groups with large traffic rates.  What do you
think these newsgroups are for, anyway? They are for the masses,
*not* one or two people who want to see only what they deem to be
useful and/or important information.

        If you think the group is too cluttered, either leave or go
get yourself a threaded newsreader.  It's amazing..  you see each
thread of a group before you have to read it, and if you don't like
it, you mark it read and keep going.  And it only takes maybe a
whole precious minute of your time to comb through a group and mark
the uninteresting articles as read.  And in the process you let
people such as myself who are INTERESTED in Timo's artcicles read
them and gain some possibly very useful information from them.

        This has got to be at least the third time in about a year
that someone has complained to Timo about his posts to the point
where it motivates him to stop providing a useful service to the
Internet community.  There is absolutely no excuse for this.  If you
don't like something being posted, then ignore it and save the rest
of c.l.p from your abusive and harmful flames.

        Timo: please, if it isn't too much work, continue
crossposting your upload announcements, and your FAQ pointers.  I
think it is a valuable service and should be continued whenever you
have time and the desire to do so.  Thanks for all that you have
contributed to c.l.p and all you will contribute in the future.

        And by the way..  if you think *this* group is too
cluttered, why not read a group with some real traffic?
comp.os.linux.misc comes to mind...

--
Steve Madsen
sjmadsen@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu




From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Dec  6 05:26:14 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Computer Addiction
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 03:12:44 GMT
Lines: 14
Status: RO

In article <16C9BBBFB.UC532838@mizzou1.missouri.edu>
UC532838@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Handy Trisakti) writes:
>Anyone suffered this disease & managed to get out of it ?

Ah, but there is a catch in here (pardon the pun).  By logic those
who have managed to escape should no longer be here to answer the
question.  :-)

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 00:25:26 GMT
-From: nate@psythird.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
-Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc
-Subject: Re: Computer Addiction

UC532838@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Handy Trisakti) writes:
>a while ago I watched a short news on CNN about Computer Addiction
[...]

>Anyone suffered this disease & managed to get out of it ?

    Yes. But then I got married. Now I don't have time for it any more.
Beware though. This is not an inexpensive cure.

>Thanx

    Cheers,

--
Nathan Engle             Electron Juggler
Indiana University       Dept of Psychology
nengle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
"Vae Victis"

From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Dec  6 12:44:44 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce
From: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: CD-ROM distribution limitations
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 02:59:53 GMT
Status: RO

Mon 6-Dec-93: The following update to the attention of Garbo's
valued uploaders

 4998 Dec 6 04:38 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/UPTEXT.INF
 UPTEXT.INF The recommended formula for your Garbo upload announcements

There is an important new item within the formula

Distribution limitations:
        (Put here any preconditions on the distribution. The most
        common are geographical limitations, eg. for North America
        only, and limitations on redistribution on CD-ROMs. Due to
        recent trends, this item must be included!)

While I am at it, I would again like to draw our uploaders'
attention to carefully reading /pc/UPLOAD.INF and /pc/UPTEXT.INF
before uploading to save everyone's time.  Your uploads are very
welcome, but the load is currently such, that we cannot cope with
uploads which do not conform.  Some highlight for MsDos uploaders:

 - Only .zip files are accepted.
 - An emailed announcement to pc-up@uwasa.fi is compulsory!
 - It is futile to upload the announcement to /pc/incoming since a
   script automatically deletes any non-zip files.
 - Your emailed announcement MUST have a subject in the form
     gismo10.zip Global Integrated Simulation Model uploaded
 - If the subject is missing from the email header, the upload has to
   be rejected.

Sorry to have to be this strict, but we no longer have an
alternative.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:40:44 +0200 (EET)
-From: ts
-To: dmurdoch@mast.QueensU.CA (Duncan Murdoch)
-Cc: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen), ajh@uwasa.fi (Ari Hovila)
-Subject: Re: To the attention of Garbo uploaderst

(Your entire message is quoted for the information of the other
recipients.)

> Regarding the new Distribution Limitations:
>
> Are there any limitations that you find to be unacceptable?  I know Keith
> removed programs because of a limitation to North America only; I'd guess you
> wouldn't be too happy with that either.  What about the CDROM rule?  I put

Hello my friend Duncan,

Although Garbo and SimTel are independent in principle, I find it
convenient to have approximately the same rules also in this repect.
To answer your CD-ROM question below, as far as I am concerned, the
limitation can stay if it includes an unequivocal statmement that
the condition does not concern potential Garbo (and SimTel) CD-ROMs.
But it must be in the documentation.  Having it separately would
involve too much score keeping.  See below for a suggestion.

> the following in HLP2TPH:
>
>     You are licensed to use HLP2TPH at no charge. You are also licensed
>     to distribute it unchanged, provided you charge no more than
>     reasonable distribution costs, and in no case more than $10 (US). In
>     particular, without prior written permission you may not include it
>     in a CD ROM compilation if you charge more than $10 (US) for the
>     collection.

How about this:

      in a CD ROM compilation if you charge more than $10 (US) for the
      collection.  The Garbo and SimTel MsDos FTP archives are exempt
      from this precondition if published on a CD-ROM.

> One reason I did this is because I find the junk mail from CDROM publishers
> very irritating.  They always mess up my name, my address, and my program
> descriptions, and then ask me to send them corrections and a new copy of
> the program at my own expense.

Yes, I know.  I have the same problem.  This is the other side of
the coin of the idea of free distribution.  I am in a fortunate
position to understand both wiews being a program author and an
archive site maintainer in one person.

> If it makes any difference, you can consider this letter to be your
> "prior written permission" to include any of my programs in the garbo
> compilations.  I'll be cc'ing it to Keith; he also has permission to put
> any of them in the Simtel compilations.
>
> However, I realize that neither of you wants to keep track of a lot of
> special individual permissions, so I'll take the restriction out if
> you ask.

As you saw I don't require it to be taken out, but to be augmented.
And thank you Duncan, this was very welcome and resonable from you.
(But knowing you that was no surprise to me).

> Duncan

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Dec  6 22:57:21 EET 1993
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Hostility
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 20:56:16 GMT
Status: RO

In article <1993Dec6.174827.27070@nosc.mil> mikey@monkfish.nosc.mil () writes:
>Is there any recourse with hostile users other than killfiles?
>
>Here is the situation, during the past few months a newgroup a I formed
>was plauged by a poster who reacted to followups to his posts with inflammatory
>followups and email which contained insults, name-calling and threats. One user
>reacted by contacting the individual's workplace and the system admin folks
>revoked his news privileges, after reading his posts for a while.

Yes, sounds extremely familiar.  This is a dilemma an archive site
manager, moderator and / or an otherwise highly active poster comes
unavoidably to know sooner or later.  I have put some thoughs on
this in

 86780 Dec 26 16:16 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/ts/tsfaqn39.zip
 tsfaqn39.zip Questions from UseNet and Timo's answers

but I'll summarize here.  The most important thing to do is
adamantly to refuse to be involved in continued hostilities.  In the
worst case the other side might even be a genuinely disturbed
individual who gets his/her pleasure, not from the actual subject,
but from the hostilities.  The vital telltale sign is that nothing
you say is ever acceptable to the abuser.  Watch out for this
crucial sign! Especially if you do detect that sign, then the sooner
you withdraw the better, before it gets totally out of hand.

Thus I would take the liberty of rewording your question as "are the
other recourses *besides* kill files".  One I would recommed is
email filters.  "Try man filter".  I use it extensively myself to
sort my email anyway.  As a bonus I apply it automatically to reject
email from inveterate flamers or outright disturbed individuals.
(One encounters all kinds on the net).  It may not be an optimal
solution, but at least it restores your own privacy.  Besides it is
very effective against mailbox cramming because you can direct
everything from the selected source to the big bit bucket, or even
bounce the email from any user whom wish filter out.

>Most everyone supported his removal except for a few, who, while not
>condoning his actions, supported his right to free speech. One person even
>keeps

Harassment under the pretext of free speech is one of the big
problems of the anarchy we call the UseNet news and InterNet email.
While it is a global phenomenon the US first amendment is the most
frequently flaunted disguise for such abuse.

>him abreast of the discussion and posts for him, including his
>promise of return,

Then be unconditionally unreachable for him/her as well.

>which according to this individual, is imminent.

The worst mistake you can make is get drawn into it again.  Avoid
that at all costs.  Or if you really can't bring yourself to do
that, and really have an airtight case, go high enough in the
abuser's organization.  I don't recommend that, however.  It is an
extremely serious(!) step for everyone involved, with potentially
unexpected repercussions.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Dec  8 21:13:30 EET 1993
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: A kill file example
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 18:41:19 GMT
Status: RO

[Q: How to avoid on the Usent news hostile or boring posters,
incessant bickering and net abuse.]

Consider using KILL files. Here is information that just might be of
some interest.

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# This is an example rn kill file ~/News/rec/humor/KILL
# By prof. Timo Salmi, Mon 3-Jun-96
#
# It discards unread all postings from me in news:rec.humor
# Easy to adapt to other newsgroups or other posters!
#
# ts@ is the first part of my email address.
# The modifier h means look through the headers of the articles.
# The command j means junk.
# The command = shows the subjects of the messages being discarded.
# The : is a command separator.
#
/^From: ts@/h:=:j
#
# Or to make it more specific
# /^From: ts@uwasa.fi/h:=:j
#
# Let's not stop here, but also discard all articles that have any
# reference to me anywhere in the message. Of course this might lead
# to an overkill (eg Timothy would be a trigger). A better choice
# of keys might be necessary / useful in actual practice.
#
/timo/a:=:j
/salmi/a:=:j
#
# After you have seen that your customization works, you might wish
# to leave out the subject lister := like this
# /salmi/a:j
#
# A tip adapted from the news:news.admin.net-abuse.misc FAQ
# If you wish to kill excessively crossposted articles, use e.g.
# /^Newsgroups: .*,.*,.*,.*,.*,.*,.*,/h:=:j
# This marks as killed articles crossposted to more than 7 newsgroups.
#
# For more information on kill files please see e.g.
#  7280 Oct 21 1995 ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/doc-net/killfile.zip
#  killfile.zip rn newsreader KILL file FAQ from Leanne Phillips
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Another useful system to know against abuse are the email filters.
They enable you to sort the incoming email and to avoid email you
don't want to have. If you are an elm user, try
  man filter
and
  which filter
to ascertain whether your system has a filter program.  If it does,
put a line like this into your ~/.forward file
  "| /usr/local/bin/filter -o ${HOME}/.elm/filter.errors"

Then create a ~/.elm/filter-rules file. If you wish to avoid, say,
my email, put the following line into it
  if (from = "ts@uwasa.fi") then delete
or more benevolently
  if (from = "listserv@") then save /your/full/path/MailFromListserv

Note that you should not put empty lines into the said files, but
you can make it more readable since comments are allowed. It you put
# (the hash) as the first character on the row, it will be deemed a
comment.

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-Subject: Foiling spam with an email password system (a canned response)

As you see my signature ends with this notification:
>Spam foiling in effect.  My email filter autoresponder will return a
>required email password to users not yet in the privileges database.

I am frequently asked by the similarly spam-targeted fellow users
about my spam foiling password method (on Unix). Since I cannot
answer these questions individually, I have made the information
available via WWW. You'll find it through my home page (see my
signature) by clicking the "no-spam" thumbnail image.

   All the best, Timo

....................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi   Co-moderator of news:comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at ftp:// & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa
mailto:ts@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/>  ; FIN-65101,  Finland

Spam foiling in effect.  My email filter autoresponder will return a
required email password to users not yet in the privileges database.
