From ts@uwasa.fi  Sat Sep 5 7:00:00 1992
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: /pc/pd2/tspost14.zip file description
To: ts@uwasa.fi  (Timo Salmi)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 6:46:16 EET
Status: RO

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
! This file is in mail format, so you can also read it with any !
! suitable Unix mail program such as elm: (elm -f post14.txt).  !
! On a PC /pc/mail/rmail*.zip is a convenient alternative       !
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

   This is the fourteenth file that contains my replies and comments
that I or others have made by email, or just written here instead of
posting to (mainly to) comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives, or postings
that I wanted to retain for your information.
   Note that the latest tspost??.zip is always being updated until
it contains 30 messages.  The files are located at the /pc/pd2
directory. 
   For an index of all the post*.zip files please see
/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip.

1   Dec 31 To Timo Salmi      (31)   /pc/pd2/tspost14.zip file descriptio
2   Mar 21 Timo Salmi         (48)   Re: Why avoid overseas downloads
3   Mar 15 To Charles Evans   (70)   Re: ftp statistics for node garbo (c
4   Mar 13 To Bill Cox Databa (44)   Re: Your hangman game
5   Mar 11 To Brad Williams   (42)   Re: TP and spell checking
6   Mar 10 To stephan betzel  (37)   Re: Where are TS-programs
7   Mar 10 Timo Salmi         (50)   Re: Latest pkunzip
8   Mar 9  To Juho M. Niemine (37)   Re: Simtel CD-ROM at Garbo
9   Mar 9  To Doug Tooley     (75)   Re: TSBAT42 Problem/Question
10  Mar 9  To S_JUFFA@iravcl. (75)   Re: statistics on down-loads from ga
11  Mar 8  To Keith Petersen  (38)   SIMTEL20 to Oak conversion script
12  Mar 7  Timo Salmi         (49)   Typing tutors / games (was Re: Quick
13  Mar 4  To jonathan skean  (92)   Re: tsgmed12.zip
14  Mar 4  To Jeffrey P. Hart (57)   Re: Doctoral thesis stuff
15  Mar 4  To Alan Scott Olso (40)   Re: tspa3270.zip & protected mode
16  Mar 4  To Garbo Infolist  (45)   USENET Readership report for Feb 93
17  Mar 3  To A potential upl (39)   Re: commercial demos on garbo?
18  Mar 2  PKWare.Inc         (27)   FALSE RUMOR (re: PKWARE BANKRUPT)
19  Mar 2  To Robert C. Kohlb (50)   Re: Love your Pascal Units.
20  Mar 2  Timo Salmi         (83)   Advantages and disadvantages of FAQ
21  Mar 1  Tanin Uthayanaka   (264)  A list of smileys :-)
22  Mar 1  To Rich Holland    (42)   Re: Thanks, Timo, for gfind!
23  Feb 28 Keith Petersen     (36)   KILL file for all Victor articles
24  Feb 23 Keith Petersen     (36)   Re: PKZIP V2.0 or Better
25  Feb 23 David C Lawrence   (43)   Delete comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
26  Feb 19 To Cuong_M._Nguyen (43)   Re: A batch file problem
27  Feb 17 To wbrown@access.d (47)   Re: Archies?  HELP!
28  Feb 17 Samuel Ko          (417)  Re: Moderator bashing
29  Feb 17 Timo Salmi         (75)   Re: what is bandwidth?
30  Feb 16 Chris Myers        (43)   Re: Problem with wuarchive mirror

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland



From chris@wugate.wustl.edu  Tue Feb 16 15:51:26 1993
From: Chris Myers <chris@wugate.wustl.edu>
Message-Id: <199302161351.AA21156@wugate.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: Problem with wuarchive mirror
To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 7:51:22 CST
Cc: PECKHAM@alexandria-emh2.army.mil
In-Reply-To: <9302141939.AA05619@uwasa.fi>; from "Timo Salmi" at Feb 14, 93 9:39 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: RO

Timo Salmi writes:
>
> > Several days ago (a week ago, or so, maybe) you announced (MSDOSANN) addi-
> > tion of (latest edition) MS-DOS programmer's FAQ -- FAQP9303(.ZIP).
> >
> > BUT ... it hasn't shown up yet on wuarchive's mirror (128.252.135.4).  Still
> > posted is the PRIOR file.  [ There IS a FAQ-file dated "9303", but its FAQC....
>
> At Garbo the file is
>   43614 Feb  2 21:59 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/doc-net/faqp9203.zip
>
> As to wuarchive, I'll redirect your question to wuarchive maintainer
> Chris Myers.  The usual practice is that the problems related to
> mirroring are looked into by the mirroring site, not the site being
> mirrored.

Wuarchive's mirror of garbo, and a few other sites, has been severely
out of date recently.  This is because some sites have chosen, to
dispose of idle users quickly, to set the timeout in the FTP server to
three minutes (the default is 15 minutes).  The mirroring script on
wuarchive cannot always respond within three minutes, particularly when
it is parsing directory listings and such, and has been "kicked off"
before being able to fetch newly updated files.

I have spent some time this morning reprogramming the mirror script to
understand and send the "SITE IDLE" command, which is used to increase
the timeout used by the FTP server.  Hopefully this workaround will do
the job, if not I will take whatever other action is needed.

Chris Myers
wuarchive.wustl.edu Archive Maintainer



From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Feb 17 06:58:40 EET 1993
Article: 10025 of news.newusers.questions
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: what is bandwidth?
Message-ID: <1993Feb17.045632.19292@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
References: <1993Feb16.213110.6245@newstand.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 04:56:32 GMT
Lines: 27
Status: RO

In article <1993Feb16.213110.6245@newstand.syr.edu>
ejrasiel@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Ethan J.  Rasiel) writes:
>I always see people talk about "wasting bandwidth."  Exactly what band
>is this referring do, and what exactly is the width that is being
>wasted?  This sounds like a FAQ but it's not mentioned in any FAQ list
>I have come across.

It comes from technical radio parlance where it approximately means
the witdth of the frequency window used for receiving.  (In good
shorthwave receivers there usually are two or three different
choices for the bandwitdh).  Here in the news parlance it loosely
refers to the amount of data that is transferred in a news posting.

Bandwidth is a nifty term users like to throw at each other then
they feel that someone is posting something they do not like or care
to see :-).  Typically a user goes on to say "you are wasting
bandwidth" or "this is a waste of bandwidth" and then feels smug and
windicated.  Well, one person's signal always is some other user's
noise.

An interesting observation.  One sometimes sees the following
fallacy.  Someone breaches the established netiquette, say by
cynically posting the same advertisment to 5000 newsgroups, or while
meaning well posts an uuencoded program package to a discussion
newsgroup.  The comments that follow might well even take up more
kilobytes than the original offense.  Almost invariably, sooner or
later some reader will glibly ask "aren't the followups a worse
waste of bandwithd than the original?".  This is confusing the
issue.  By that distorted logic, to take an extreme example, we
should not have laws and a judicial system in our societies, since
apprehending and convicting a felon often becomes many times more
expensive to the society than what the crime cost.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


-From: ianst@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (Ian Staples)
-Subject: Re: what is bandwidth?
-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 02:13:12 GMT

In article <1993Feb17.045632.19292@uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>In article <1993Feb16.213110.6245@newstand.syr.edu>
>ejrasiel@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Ethan J.  Rasiel) writes:
>>I always see people talk about "wasting bandwidth."  Exactly what band
>>is this referring do, and what exactly is the width that is being
[...]
>
>It comes from technical radio parlance where it approximately means
>the witdth of the frequency window used for receiving.  (In good
>shorthwave receivers there usually are two or three different
>choices for the bandwitdh).  Here in the news parlance it loosely
>refers to the amount of data that is transferred in a news posting.
[...]          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I believe it is more correctly the amount of data that *can* be transferred
within a given time frame.  As it is a fundamental limit to the
capacity of the network, people feel it should not be wasted - especially
on discussions they disagree with :)  On a practical note, it is silly to
waste the available "bandwidth" (and disk space etc., etc.) by highly
redundant postings such as when people simply re-post a four page
argument with an addendum saying something like "I agree" or "Get nicked".
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From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Feb 17 16:28:04 1993
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 16:28:04 +0200
To: wbrown@access.digex.com
Subject: Re: Archies?  HELP!
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: RO

In article <1ltf84INN2dv@access.digex.com> you write:
>First, an apology.  I have used the net for years, and I know requests
>like this are sometimes viewed as being annoying.  Now, the request.

Oh no, it currently seems that it is answering the questions and
giving directions on the news that is considered annoying.  :-(

>I seem to have erased ALL of my ARCHIE documentation.  I haven't used them
>in so long, I have forgotten how.  Could someone please mail me info, etc.
>on the ARCHIES and any other good file search and retrieval systems for
>the net?  Don't worry, I know I will be flooded with replies :-).  Also,
>what is a good FAQ address for this type of info?  Thanks.

If you can do with a chain of pointers, downloading
 107719 Jan 24 13:51 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfaq32.zip
should get you started with this.

>Oh, one more thing.  Does anyone know of a good FTP'able Windows formula
>editor?  That's all (that's enough!)

I don't, but also here there is material you could try.  See the
index file of our Windows directories.  I have no idea if you'll
find what you are looking for in there, but just in case.
 garbo.uwasa.fi:/win31/INDEX

>Peace
>
>W. Augustus Brown, Jr.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



From kko@fraser.sfu.ca Wed Feb 17 12:50:50 EET 1993
Article: 1109 of comp.archives.msdos.d
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
Subject: Re: Moderator bashing
Message-ID: <kko.729932534@sfu.ca>
Sender: news@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 07:02:14 GMT
Lines: 44
Status: RO

Why this theme comes up from time to time? ... The following views come
from some (about 50) of the netnews readers with whom I've got chances to
communicate with ...

......

Some netnews readers do expect a newsgroup / ftp site moderator to keep a
low profile, that is, his appearance (i.e. postings) on the net should not
be excessive and flamboyant ... e.g. You will never find Brian O'Neill,
the moderator of comp.binaries.ibm.pc group and ulowell ftp site, post any
"unnecessary" articles on c.b.i.p.d or comp.sys.ibm.pc.games ... Nor will you
find Keith Petersen post upload announcements in his own name often ...
Some readers simply see Timo's appearance on the net as a way for him to
achieve the status of net celebrity or net god ... Some program uploaders
stated that they would not upload program to Garbo as doing the uploading
would give Timo an extra chance to appear on the net ...

As to the ftp site Garbo, some readers simply regard it as a waste of the
internet resources ... as at least 90% of the files at Garbo are already
archived at Simtel20, why is there a need for a "duplicate" ftp site? ...
Even some Finland readers had expressed that they didn't care about Garbo,
as whatever they wanted could mostly be found at nic.funet.fi ... They
regarded Garbo simply as a site set up by and for Timo to promote himself ...

These readers find Keith Petersen a better and more reasonable moderator ...
He did a lot of work in the background to maintain Simtel20 and Oak, gave
the due credits to the people submitting the programs, addressed the specific
problems of readers by not referring them only to FAQs ...

......




--
The mission of Samuel Ko (kko@sfu.ca) ...
To serve all the people of SFU, and indeed the world, as a centre for
knowledge, wisdom, creative endeavour and fun ...



-From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Feb 17 12:47:48 EET 1993
-Article: 1116 of comp.archives.msdos.d
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-Path: uwasa.fi!ts
-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Subject: Re: Moderator bashing (Was Re: FROZEN FILES I.E. ICE ...)
-Message-ID: <1993Feb17.104656.5196@uwasa.fi>
-Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
-References: <1993Feb16.050929.29957@uwasa.fi> <C2K3L2.5zx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <kko.729932534@sfu.ca>
-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 10:46:56 GMT
-Lines: 26

In article <kko.729932534@sfu.ca> kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko) writes:
>Why this theme comes up from time to time? ... The following views come
>from some (about 50) of the netnews readers with whom I've got chances to
>communicate with ...
:
>As to the ftp site Garbo, some readers simply regard it as a waste of the
>internet resources ... as at least 90% of the files at Garbo are already
>archived at Simtel20, why is there a need for a "duplicate" ftp site? ...
:
>These readers find Keith Petersen a better and more reasonable moderator ...
>He did a lot of work in the background to maintain Simtel20 and Oak, gave
>the due credits to the people submitting the programs, addressed the specific
>problems of readers by not referring them only to FAQs ...

I am not incapable of seeing that there has to be much truth in the
views of such a number of users.  I'll therefore concur and take at
least a temporary leave to do some research work away from the Garbo
and news activities.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



-From kko@fraser.sfu.ca Thu Feb 18 00:33:18 EET 1993
-Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
-From: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
-Subject: Re: Moderator bashing (Was Re: FROZEN FILES I.E. ICE ...)
-Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 19:32:51 GMT
-Lines: 17

hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson) writes:

>Let me emphasise that, although my post is a followup to Ko's, the comments
>below were collected by Ko, and were not necessarily presented as Ko's views.

Oh! ... Most, if not all, of the views expressed earlier were not mine ...
Ever since I started to prepare that "Useful MSDOS Files at SIMTEL20 and
Garbo", I got lots of flames telling me I shouldn't include the Garbo part
due to the "improper" use of that site by one of its moderators ... And when
some authors who sent me evaluation copies of their programs, they also
explicitly stated that I shouldn't upload those to Garbo, if I wanted
to upload them anywhere ... It is pretty clear, at least to me, that some
readers of this group (the "minority") find Timo and his postings "obnoxious".
That was also part of the reasons why some people voted no to the creation of
this group earlier as they didn't want this group to be "moderated" by Timo
as well. So I just quoted and posted some of their views anonymously ...



-From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Feb 17 20:15:54 EET 1993
Article: 1127 of comp.archives.msdos.d
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Final Word on MODERATOR BASHING
Message-ID: <1993Feb17.181326.1458@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
References: <1993Feb17.152239.12468@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:13:26 GMT
Lines: 38

In article <1993Feb17.152239.12468@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
toddl@hsxsw.dseg.ti.com writes:
>I suggest:
>1) Victor: please go away.  We do not need your attitude in this group.

I wished not to participate in the resultant discussion, but with
quick the deluge of email (thanks for the nice support) and the
number of postings on this, please bear with me for two comments I'd
like to make.

I do not wish Victor nor anyone else chased away.  A benevolently
functioning set of newsgroups with useful information in them is
what I wish.  I can't help the fact that giving directions offends
part of the users.  The fact that the rest of the moderators have
not done the same is partly because we agreed that I should carry
that burden.  So please have some sense of fairness.

I have been again accused of promoting myself, especially by a few
envious fellow Finns behind the scenes, I am very sorry to say.  I
readily plead guilty of the promoting.  In fact I don't really have
a choice, even.  In order to justify the expense of Garbo, we have
to get something tangible in return.  The something is making the
work we do at our university internationally known and getting a
position in the international community.  I have never been
separately paid for publicizing Garbo, so one prerequisite for me
for doing this is that I can reasonably enjoy this moderation work.
That is not the case right now, nor will it be if I am expected just
to stack material at Garbo and mechanically forward the upload
announcements.  Selfish?  You bet!  What else motivation is?

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Subject: Re: And now, a ghost from the past!
-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 21:44:14 GMT

In article <1993Feb18.160809.12654@Princeton.EDU> subbarao@fc.hp.com
(Kartik Subbarao) writes:
>It looks like 'ole Timo's tried to step on too many feet and went
>under himself. I forget now exactly what the issue was, but I do recall a
:
[much carefully argumented logic deleted]
>Granted, this is a tad extreme, but you get the general idea.  You see, it's
>all plain and simple. Let the free market work. If one person is offended
>by a post, tough shit. If many people are, then the offender either shapes

You are making good logic throughout Kartik.  The only thing you
read quite wrong are my motivations.  I've never been offended by
the misposts (flames yes, misposts no), or the like since there is
no ill-intent involved in them.  I have tried to give the
information what the usual places and practices are.  But of course
I see from the same long-standing experience as you that it has been
a mistake also in comp.archives.msdos.d.  Yes, one solution would be
to email, just as you say in your full message.  The problem is that
it only gives the information to one person at a time.

Anyway, even if the supportive users in favor of giving such
guidance were in a great majority, even a few users like you will
win out hands down, because it is not worth my while to give the
information (or get on the high horse, if you so will) in the face
of any flak it causes from the users with views and predilections
similar to yours.

My conclusion is obvious.  Not to give the guidance.  No hard
feelings, but an excellent opportunity to devote more time to other
things.  Indeed, neither of us need even be right or wrong.  You and
your soul-mates just win, plain as that.  Be happily windicated,
Kartik, Victor, Craig, Doug, Chris, Hans-Peter, and a couple of
others.  I'll try not to give any "administrative", FAQ references
or similar advice if and when I find again the time and the
admittedly lost motivation to resume my Garbo maintanance on the
net.

So if problems should arise, I'll just be relieved leave it to be
the worry of you others.  Who knows.  The users even might genuinely
be happier without the annoying public FAQ references, and with the
email mobbing tactics you advocated in your full message.  (A
disclaimer: I dissociate from all malevolent tactics).

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



-Subject: Re: Moderator bashing (Was Re: FROZEN FILES I.E. ICE ...)
-To: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 07:06:56 +0200 (EET)
-From: ts@uwasa.fi

> hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson) writes:
> >Let me emphasise that, although my post is a followup to Ko's, the comments
> >below were collected by Ko, and were not necessarily presented as Ko's views.

Likewise.

Samuel Ko summarized:
> to upload them anywhere ... It is pretty clear, at least to me, that some
> readers of this group (the "minority") find Timo and his postings "obnoxious".
> That was also part of the reasons why some people voted no to the creation of
> this group earlier as they didn't want this group to be "moderated" by Timo
> as well. So I just quoted and posted some of their views anonymously ...

The "embarrassing" fact is that I can in retrospect with good
probability identify many of if not the majority the cases from the
voting list.  I would think that at least also Keith can if is he
wished to.  I can say a few names outright even without looking at
it, like C.P., R.J., the Finns etc, etc.  I am not big enough a
person not to have those people blacklisted for good in my mind.

The present controversy is part of the "price" you have to pay for
having multiple moderators, and having me as one.  I am not quitting
but partly and temporarily, but I now have to retract my promise to
my gentle fellow moderators of taking care of the newgroup guidance.
I will not be posting nor emailing anything "(administrative)" after
this incident.  If you wish it to continue, someone else has to do
it.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Subject: Re: Bashing everybody
-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 06:23:18 GMT

In article <C2puI5.Jxq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
>I'm SO glad we have a .d group to do this in now.

Isn't it nice to have been so accurately right, my good friend
Larry.  When you suggested way back in August 1992 that
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives should be moderated, which eventually
led to the current CAM.announce and CAM.d arrangement, your
suggestion was exactly to prevent the archive site announcements
from being interspersed with the bickering and off-topic material.
As it turned out last December, a minimum of 903 vs a minimum of 69
users fully agreed with you.  You were right in your initiative way
back then.

Well, Samuel Ko, who kindly took care of the very laborious task of
getting the CAM newgsroups created, summarized the highly critical
and personally condemning whys of fifty of the no-votes.  One must
be able to be realistic and detached, but the arguments of the
fellow Finns in those fifty felt the worst.  Another embarrasment is
that the anonymity of the confidentially voiced opinnions is not
guaranteed in a voting system with disclosed vote lists.

One thing which at first sight might seem contradictory (but is not)
is that in matters like this incident the minority dissidents rule.
It is only the newsgroup creation process that simulates a
democracy, but the non-moderated InterNet newsgroups then function
as anarchies, nevertheless.  Thus it takes the majority to get
something arranged, but a vocal or persistent enough minority is
always able to disrupt whatever order the majority may have
preferred.  This is not exceptional.  It happens all over the net.
We are not the only Victors, Kartiks, Timos, and all the rest
around.

My own position in is this incident is fairly simple.  I'll just
return to Garbo maintaining in an economized format and try utilize
any time savings.  As to giving advice and directions, I have no
current plans for resuming that very exposing and time-consuming
activity.  Why lay oneself on the target line again? No, as one
recent poster aptly put it, life certainly goes on with or without a
single user.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Subject: Re: Bashing of Readers (Was Re: FROZEN FILES I.E. ICE ...)
-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:52:01 GMT

Many supportive readers write (in postings and in email):

>Timo stays, critics go

I very much appreciate all the kind and gentle support that has come
my way in such an abundance.  But please, gentle fellow users, I
cannot help feeling slightly awkward and very much overwhelmed by
the recent attention.  If you have liked what I have been doing
earlier, the best compliment to the well-being of CAM.d is if the
newsgroup is kept going by everyone taking a fair share of giving
useful answers to the relevant questions posed here, and maybe even
posting the occasional program reviews I have tried to solicit from
the gentle readers.  Perhaps that is the best way of minimizing any
damage that may have been caused by this incident.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
-Subject: Re: The bashing of the readers
-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 17:47:51 GMT

In article <1mpu8jINN8ra@crcnis1.unl.edu> vporguen@unl.edu (victor
porguen) writes:
>   Hey, Timo, this one must be one of your friends!  You can tell
>   by the language!  You don't even have to read their messages,
>   just look for the obscenities!
>   Timo must be real proud of having such friends....
>Another archive maintainer?  Ha! The others must also be proud...

Stooping lower and lower.  I've never, ever sanctioned anyone's bad
manners.  Not pro!  Not con!  I am confident that I could prove that
even in a libel court.  In fact, if this tack goes on I would not be
surprised if there were North American users not only consulting
their system managers but their lawyers.

A highly subjective analysis of the events follow, so readers should
skip now if not interested or if tired of this sick and repugnant
flame campaign.

About a month after Samuel Ko, Keith Petersen, I, and a few others
had finally managed to get the comp.archives.msdos newsgroups
(.announce and .d) created after much hard work, Victor Porguen
appeared out of nowhere.  He began posting on several subjects,
always with some elusively differing views.  As he said even himself
in a posting, he wanted divergence to rise arguments.  Gradually he
zeroed on me particularly, but I refused to be drawn in until he
began openly criticizing me for not wanting to differ with him.  I
answered by pointing out that we had very different writing styles
and attitudes.  Then it suddenly become very personal.  Note that
until then this had nothing to do with my guidance activities.
Victor was looking for any opportune excuse to get an argument
going.

-From my subjective point of view, Victor's main signal has all
along not been the varying issues he tackled in a somewhat random
pattern mixing fact and fiction.  The true signal is the raw
all-pervading animosity that has gradually revealed itself like in
this latest posting.  To be blunt, from my viewpoint Victor is a
parasite who has taken a totally undeserved shortcut to general fame
also off my back and the heavy effort I have put into my netnews
activities.  He also has spoiled the newsgroup in his obsessive
campaign, because it is now obvious beyond the slightest hint of
doubt that his only true interest is having a destructive flamewar.

I have never objected to views diverging from my own as long as they
are presented in a rational and civilized manner.  But what can one
do when one becomes such a target of an obviously disturbed hate
campaign as has now happened to me.  I have no other solution than
trying to keep out of the way.

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Feb 19 21:44:11 1993
Subject: Re: A batch file problem
To: Cuong_M._Nguyen.OSBU_North@xerox.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 21:44:11 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <"18-Feb-93 17:22:03".*.Cuong_M._Nguyen.OSBU_North@Xerox.com> from "Cuong_M._Nguyen.OSBU_North@xerox.com" at Feb 18, 93 05:22:03 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

> Hi professor Salmi,
>
> Thank you for writing up the batch tricks functions which I've found very
> useful. There's one question I'd like to ask you since I didn't see it in your
> release:
>
> Is there any way that I can use batch commands to check and compare for the
> current directory? For example, I want something like:
>
>      if <current dir> == "c:\temp\new" do <...>
>
> Thank you for your comment,
>
> /cuong
>
> P.S.
>      I knew the command cd will give the current dir but I can't find a way
> to implement it.

Please see the latter part of question 18 in BATRICKS.TXT in
  98246 Jan 30 22:20 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat41.zip
It gives you the method to put the current directory to an
environment variable.  After that the rest is standard batch
practices just as you draft in your if statement.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



From w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil  Wed Feb 24 04:17:31 1993
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:01:46 -0500
From: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen)
Message-Id: <9302240201.AA15233@tacom-emh1.army.mil>
To: wcruppel@cayley.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: PKZIP V2.0 or Better
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives
Cc: PKWARE.Inc@mixcom.com ("PKWARE Inc.")
Status: RO

Bill, in comp.archives.msdos.d you wrote:
>Hi all. I am looking for an FTP site that contains a copy of PKWare's
>PKZIP program, version 2 or higher. I've looked on a couple of sites
>(like simtel and oakland) but can't seem to find it... The full path to
>the file would be appreciated! If you could, please send replies via
>e-mail. Thanks.

Bill, SIMTEL20 will not be offering PKWare's ZIP and UNZIP version 2.x
until we receive an export version which does not include encryption.
I have been ordered by the management not to offer PKZ204G.EXE, even
though PKWare was kind enough to send a copy to me, because we cannot
control who accesses our archive by anonymous FTP and this product
cannot be legally exported to several countries which *do* have FTP
access to the Internet (South Afica is one of them).

I understand that you can get pkz204g.exe from garbo.uwasa.fi in Finland
in their directory /pc/arcers.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or      w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                         BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

From tale@uunet.uu.net Wed Feb 24 18:54:05 EET 1993
From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups
Subject: Delete comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Date: 23 Feb 1993 15:36:57 -0500
Organization: UUNET Communications
Sender: tale@rodan.UU.NET
Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Status: RO

(Edited from the original)

Explanatory notes follow these lists.

The following USENET groups are being removed on the dates indicated.
To help ease the transition, you might wish to mark them as "no local
posting allowed" at your site, with the C News/INN flag "n".

GROUP                           DATE  SUPERSEDED BY
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives   0315  comp.archives.msdos.d

Notes:

This article covers the seven USENET hierarchies of comp, misc, news,
rec, sci, soc and talk. It does not include INET groups.

Groups stay in these lists for one month past their change in status.
The descriptions are arranged chronologically rather than
alphabetically to make maintenance easier for me.

Full charters for USENET groups are included in the group creation
messages which are sent by the moderator of news.announce.newgroups.

Control messages are scheduled for Monday through Thursday mornings to
help smooth the startup of a newsgroup among the many sites that no
longer do automatic newgroups and whose administrators don't get to
them manually over the weekend.

Corrections or other input on the format of this article is welcome.
--
    (setq mail '("tale@uunet.uu.net" "uunet!tale" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet"))


From w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil Sun Feb 28 19:27:34 EET 1993
Article: 1403 of comp.archives.msdos.d
From: w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: KILL file for all Victor articles
Date: 28 Feb 1993 14:39:34 GMT
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives
Summary: A KILL file entry to eliminate all Victor articles
Status: RO

vporguen@unl.edu (victor porguen) writes:
[another Timo bash]

This has gone too far.  I have remained silent long enough.

Dear readers who are tired of seeing the postings of Victor:

As you read this article, if you are using "rn" or other newsreaders
which use the rn command set, press Control-K now.  This will put you
into your favorite editor, editing a KILL file for this newsgroup.
Enter the following line and end your edit.

/From: vporguen@unl.edu/h:=:j

>From this day onward you will never see another article in this
newsgroup authored by Victor.  If he changes his account I will post
a kill file entry that will handle multiple address matches on one line.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or      w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                         BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Mar  1 07:18:44 1993
Subject: Re: Thanks, Timo, for gfind!
To: holland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Rich Holland)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 07:18:44 +0200 (EET)
Cc: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama)
In-Reply-To: <9302281631.AA22553@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> from "Rich Holland" at Feb 28, 93 10:31:02 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

> I really like the gfind script you sent to us!  I've got garbo mounted on my
> machine via wuarchive.wustl.edu.  Now all I need to do to get a file from
> garbo is do: cp /usr/local/archives/wuarchive/mirrors/garbo.uwasa.fi/??? .
>
> Great!  The gfind really helps -- I was doing things manually for so long...
> Thanks again!  :-)
> --
> Rich Holland              | INTERNET: holland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
> 100 Jardine Terr., Apt A7 | BITNET  : holland@ksuvm
> Manhattan, KS  66502-3357 | UUCP    : ...!rutgers!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!holland
> char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}

Hello Rich,

I am very pleased to hear that it turned out to be a good idea.  In
fact I have found it more useful even myself than I thought when I
started writing it yesterday.  Next I intend to write an MsDos
equivalent.

I'll store this reply in our /pc/pd2/post14.zip feedback file so
I'll state here for the potential readers that the Unix script is
available as 1399 Feb 28 20:50 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ts/gfind.
 "gfind A convenient script for Garbo MsDos index searches"

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Mar  2 11:05:21 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Advantages and disadvantages of FAQ referrals
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 09:03:43 GMT
Status: RO

In article <1993Mar2.050037.27072@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
jmukher@lonestar.utsa.edu (Joy .  Mukherjee) writes:

>then referred to a FAQ are quick questions which can be answered easily.
>This being the case, IMHO, the best way to answer a FAQ is to actually answer
>the question and then say "You can find an answer to this question and more
>if you check the FAQ at ....".

I am more than a bit baffled.  There has been no objection to that
alternative, not from me, at least.

>He must now figure out how to get a FAQ, learn how to use FTP, and figure
>out how to download via his terminal.  Since he has to do this, he must
>now e-mail Timo for his instructions, await a reply, learn more about a
>terminal he rarely access and then finally get the file.

>This is a lot of work for someone who needs to be told, "The program you
>need is VPIC or CSHOW."

Again I am baffled.  Anyone is welcome to do that.  Please feel
absolutely free to do so anytime, as far as I am concerned.  At
least the FAQ referrals I've done have _*NEVER*_ been intended to
mean that the other readers would not be solicited to give the full
answers on the news.  For example Samuel Ko has often done exactly
that after my former FAQ references, and that has been very welcome!

I think that what we have in the FAQ issue is nothing but an
unnecessary misunderstanding.  As far I am concerned:

1. There is nothing wrong with asking a FAQ.
2. There should be nothing wrong with answering by a FAQ pointer.
3. There is nothing wrong with giving the full answer.
4. Items 2 and 3 are not, I repeat, NOT incompatible!

Advantages of FAQ:

1. The risk of giving errorneous information is smaller.
2. The information will usually be more complete.
3. It is much easier, and thus in the long run more users will get
   their answers, because we know from earlier experience that after
   giving the same full answer two or three times, the initially
   enthusiastic respondent most often gets tired of continuing.
   (Giving the full answer often means a lot of work, please take
    my word for it).

Disadvantages of FAQ:

1. The poser of the question has to do more work (but may learn
   something additional in the bargain).
2. It may deter others from giving alternative, useful answers.
   (This I consider a true problem.)
3. The FAQ referrals seem to elicit flames, and thus unnecessary
   discord.  This leads to that often *NO* information is given.
   Ask yourself. Which is worse?  No information, or a FAQ
   referral?  (Yes, full information is best, but who'll keep on
   giving it?). Or is the fact that it is I who have posted most
   FAQ referrals that has been the true cause of the flames? :-(

Anyway, whatever anyone's individual views and preferences in the
FAQ issue (or any controversial CAM.d issue for that matter), this
is the only sensible way of discussing.  Looking at the advantages
and disadvantages in an analytical and civilized manner, instead of
personal smearing campaigns.  You've seen what that alternative does
to a newsgroup.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Mar  2 17:21:04 1993
Subject: Re: Love your Pascal Units.
To: RKOHLBUS@dining.umd.edu (Robert C. Kohlbus)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 17:21:04 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <MAILQUEUE-101.930301093123.480@jennifer.umd.edu> from "Robert C. Kohlbus" at Mar 1, 93 09:31:23 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

> Dear Prof. Timo Salmi,
>
>     I have recently downloaded your Turbo Pascal units and have found
> them to be some excellent pieces of code.  After reading your

Hello Robert,

I am very pleased to hear that you have like the
/pc/turbopas/tspa32*.zip units.

> readmetsa.me file, I know that the source is unavailable, but I do
> have one question for you.  I found your procedure BRANDEXE in TSUNTI
> to be very interesting, and would like information on how this
> procedure works.  I can understand if you don't want to part with the

Take a look at Ohlsen & Stoker, pp 417-420.  It will help you with
the general idea quite a lot.  In fact much better than I could do.
Sorry, I don't have the full reference handy, but it is at the end
of the Turbo Pascal section of

garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfaq32.zip
 107719 Jan 24 13:51 tsfaq32.zip
tsfaq32.zip     Questions from UseNet and Timo's answers, 24-Jan-92

> source code, but I would be interested in the ideas, formulas and any
> psuedo code you may have on it.  Thanks in advance.

Ohlsen and Stoker do that nicely.  Besides my code would not be very
useful to you because all the comments, names and the rest are
internatlly in Finnish.  My programs only apprear to be in English,
but the source codes are not.

> Robert C. Kohlbus
> NetWork Admin. / Computer Programmer
> University of Maryland
> Department of Dining Services
> Internet :
>        rkohlbus@dining.umd.edu
>        kohlbus@wam.umd.edu



From PKWare.Inc@mixcom.mixcom.com Tue Mar 2 21:25:26 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: PKWare.Inc <PKWare.Inc@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: FALSE RUMOR (re: PKWARE BANKRUPT)
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1993 16:47:55 GMT
Message-ID: <1993Mar02.164755.10823@mixcom.com>
Sender: ooyyoo@mixcom.com (PKWare Inc.)
Lines: 14
Status: RO


     Recently a false rumor has come to PKWARE's attention. It states that
PKWARE, Inc. has filed for bankruptcy. This is completely false. In the
article, Milwaukee was mispelled, 2 of our 3 phone numbers were incorrect,
and I was listed as quoting information as the press release production manager
or something or other. I am the sysop on the PKWARE BBS, and also in technical
support, and no such statement was made.

        Mark Gresbach
        PKWARE, Inc.
--
PKWARE.Inc@mixcom.com      Voice (414)354-8699   Authors of PKZIP, PKLITE
9025 N. Deerwood Dr.         BBS (414)354-8670   PKZFIND, PKZOOM, and the
Brown Deer, WI 53223 USA     FAX (414)354-8559   Data Compression Library


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Mar  3 23:39:14 1993
Subject: Re: commercial demos on garbo?
To: A potential uploader
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 23:39:14 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

> Hi...

Hello .....,

> We would like to upload our demo of our product Xxxxxxxxx/xx, which is
> an add-in for Visual Basic. The demo is a standalone EXE file that shows
> what you might use our product for in Xx. The demo is freeware, but
> Xxxxxxxxx/xx is not as it is a commercial product. What is your
> policy on commercial demos on garbo?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> --

Thank you for your kind offer and query.  Even if it is very welcome
I feel that there is no reason why we should be carrying part of the
marketing costs of fully commercial producers of programs by
accommodating the demo versions, perhaps with a rare exception of
demos of exceptional interest or usefulness.  I am occasionally
accosted by producers of fully commercial products.  My usual
response has been a clear no.  Garbo is a PD and shareware MsDos
FTP site.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Mar  4 00:07:23 1993
Subject: USENET Readership report for Feb 93
To: null1@uwasa.fi (Garbo Infolist)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 00:07:23 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

-Edited From: reid@decwrl.DEC.COM (Brian Reid)
-Newsgroups: news.lists
-Subject: USENET Readership report for Feb 93

        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
        |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
        |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
        V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
comp.binaries.ibm.pc
  19  83000  2181   83%    60  2630.5     0%  0.05   4.6%
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
  58  61000  1591   84%   193   317.5    12%  0.01   3.4%
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
  92  53000  1377   81%   492   620.8     5%  0.02   2.9%
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
  95  52000  1352   70%    43    59.1     2%  0.00   2.9%
comp.os.msdos.apps
 140  45000  1187   84%   327   630.7    21%  0.02   2.5%
comp.lang.pascal
 189  40000  1037   84%   712  1222.9     4%  0.05   2.2%
comp.archives.msdos.announce
 225  37000   976   64%   193   489.7     2%  0.02   2.1%
comp.archives.msdos.d
 447  27000   704   62%   430   722.0    10%  0.03   1.5%

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Mar  4 00:24:42 1993
Subject: Re: tspa3270.zip & protected mode
To: alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 00:24:42 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9303032211.AA29422@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> from "Alan Scott Olson" at Mar 3, 93 04:11:04 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

> Timo -

Hello Alan,

Thank you for your welcome query.

> Just downloaded your units.  It appears there are some routines in them
> that I'm quite interested in.   But.....
>
> I'm developing some programs using protected mode.  Now, we all know that
> real mode units need to be recompiled in protected mode in order to use
> them!!!
>
> Are you planning on doing this with the units??

Sorry no.  I have thought about this when TP 7.0 came out.  I
decided not to support Turbo Pascal for Windows, protected mode
programming, nor objects.  The reason is simple.  It would mean a
prohibitive amout of additional work to me.  Contrary to TP 4.0 -
7.0 real mode programming I do not have a personal interest in the
said extensions.  I program in TP 5.0 myself.

> - Alan

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Mar  4 09:28:06 1993
Subject: Re: Doctoral thesis stuff
To: hartung@crl.ucsd.edu (Jeffrey P. Hartung)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 09:28:06 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9303040541.AA07519@crl.ucsd.edu> from "Jeffrey P. Hartung" at Mar 3, 93 09:41:22 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

> My thesis study is an investigation of possible differences in
> children's ability to selectively attend to, identify, and integrate
> low level perceptual features, also called feature primitives

(The highly interesting expose deleted)

> Again, thanks for your interest.  Writing this summary has actually
> helped me to organize my thoughts while I write my introduction!  :-)

Hello Jeff,

My own research field is in accouting and business finance, and my
emphasis is on financial statement analysis and quantitavite
methods.  However, the principles of deductive and empirical reseach
are the same accross most disciplines, and your abstract made
interesting reading to me.  I am interested in the scientific
process in all rational fields.

I would venture as fas as to say that I have managed to obtain a
fair amount of experience in giving doctoral tutoring in more than a
decade, and what you did is one of the tricks I often recommend.
Explaining your reseach to someone who is not a specialist in your
own field.  It forces one into a systematical thinking, and a
judicious evaluation of one's premises.  This is exactly what you
did, and obviously gained in the process.

There are some very good readings I would recommend to a doctoral
candidate whatever the field or phase of one's reseach.  You might
be familiar with part or all of these references.  Take a look.  To
stand very much to gain.

Kerlinger, Fred.  Foundations of Behavioral Reseach.

Davis, Gordon & Parker, Clyde.  Writing the Doctoral Dissertation. A
Systematic Approach.  Baron's Educational Series, Inc. 1979.
(If anything ever was a definite must, this is IT!)

Sternberg, David. How to Complete and Survive a Doctoral
Dissertation. St. Martin's Press. 1981.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Mar  4 23:09:55 1993
Subject: Re: tsgmed12.zip
To: jskean@unlinfo.unl.edu (jonathan skean)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 23:09:55 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9303030610.AA14580@unlinfo.unl.edu> from "jonathan skean" at Mar 3, 93 00:10:36 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

>Thank you for distributing your flag quiz program.  I appreciate the
>amount of work that must have gone into this project.

Hello Jonathan,

Thank you.  I am pleased that you like
 82909 May 21 1992 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgmed12.zip
 tsgmed12.zip Learn national flags as educational games

>1. Where is Ahvenanmaa?  What is the English equivalent of the name?

Ah!  But there is a part of the educational flavor.  The user is
supposed to find out.

>2. Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Barbados, Benin, Burkina Faso,
>Burundi, Central African Rep., Chad, Congo, Cote D'Ivoire, Djibouti,
>Dominican Rep., Ecuador, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Fuji, Ghana,
>GREECE, Guinea-Bissau, Kenya, N. Korea, S. Korea, Lebanon,
>Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malawi, MALAYSIA, Malta, MEXICO, Monaco,
>Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger,
>Oman, PORTUGAL, Romania, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Sri Lanka,
>Tajikistan, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vatican,
>Yemen, Zaire, Zambia, Zimbabwe, and a few others are missing.

Quite so.

>    If there is any way that I could help with coding the missing
>flags, I would be happy to assist.  Even with "only" 100 flags you

Thank you for the kind offer, but I am afraid that the practical
arrangements would be far too complicated.  Besides you would have
to understand Finnish in order to understand my program sopurce
codes.

>have achieved quite an accomplishment.  Congratulations on a job
>well-done.

That is nice.  I have to admit that I was fairly pleased with flag
game myself.  I find the visual effect quite pleasing.

   All the best, Timo

>--
>Jonathan Skean   "A man, a plan, a canal: Panama."  voice: (402)472-2684
>502 Hamilton Hall                                     fax: (402)472-9402
>University of Nebraska                            usenet: JSKEAN@UNL.EDU
>Lincoln, NE 68588-0304   USA               bitnet: JSKEAN%UNL.EDU@UNLVAX

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

-Subject: Re: I found Ahvenanmaa!
-To: jskean@unlinfo.unl.edu (jonathan skean)
-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 11:52:38 +0200 (EET)
-From: ts

>I wrote you a few days ago and asked about Ahvenanmaa.  You suggested
>that learning about such things is part of the "game".  You should be
>proud of being an inspirational professor since I was motivated to do
>the modest research required to determine that it is one of the eleven
>Laanit.  I guess that your University is in the Laani of Vaasa, so
>now I wonder what your connection to Ahvenanmaa is.  Thanks again for
>an enjoyable program.

Excellent, Jonathan.  That was astute.  I am pleased.  I have no
connection with Ahvenanmaa myself.  Ahvenanmaa has a very peculiar
position in Finland.  It is an autonomous administrative Swedish
speaking district with its own flag, its own parliament and at one
recent stage they even seemed to have some ambitions to root for a
currency of their own.  Ahvenanmaa is an island half-way between
Finland and Sweden.

   All the best, Timo

>--
>Jonathan Skean    "A man, a plan, a canal: Panama." voice: (402)472-2684
>502 Hamilton Hall  (Please send more palandromes.)    fax: (402)472-9402
>University of Nebraska                            usenet: JSKEAN@UNL.EDU
>Lincoln, NE 68588-0304   USA               bitnet: JSKEAN%UNL.EDU@UNLVAX


From salmi@csc.fi  Sun Mar  7 10:38:17 1993
Article: 1491 of comp.archives.msdos.d
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: Timo.Salmi@csc.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Typing tutors / games (was Re: Quick reference ...)
Message-Id: <1993Mar7.083706.13688@nic.funet.fi>
Organization: Centre for Scientific Computing, Finland
References: <9302231717.kp4680@tacom-emh1.army.mil> <1993Mar7.070551.26885@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 08:37:06 GMT
Status: RO

In article <1993Mar7.070551.26885@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>
u933004@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (u933004) writes:
>I am looking for one file naME FL20.ZIP (falling lettes), can anybody help
>me to know its path.

Typing tutors / games on Garbo

 13475 Feb 15 20:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/educgames/fl20.zip
 fl20.zip     Falling Letters SW typing game, by Zaikin & Angelov

 80005 Aug 10 1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgmeb15.zip
 tsgmeb15.zip Timo's educational games: typevade, revegame, witpin.

 179052 Apr 30 1990 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/educgames/pcftyp41.zip
 pcftyp41.zip PC-FASTYPE Typing Instruction program form Trendtech.

 91802 Nov 26 1989 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/educgames/typefast.zip
 typefast.zip Typefast from Dave Tutelman

 18176 Sep 10 1988 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/educgames/typdr11.zip
 typdr11.zip  TypeDrill v1.1; a typing drill game from Dave Tutelman

Also of interest
 wsmr-simtel20.army.mil: PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMLIST.ZIP
and
 10069 Mar 6 18:50 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/camfaq.zip
 camfaq.zip   comp.archives.msdos.(d/announce) Frequently Asked Questions

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi, CAM.a co-mod (temporarily as salmi@convex.csc.fi)
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



From g9utxu@fnma.COM Sun Mar  7 23:01:12 EET 1993
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: A list of smileys :-)
Nntp-Posting-Host: mimas
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 20:24:17 GMT
Lines: 83
Status: RO

Here is an unofficial list I saved from Soc.Cul.Asian

For those who asked about all those abbreviations, here it is.  It's
by no means complete, but a good start.

 :-o    Wow!                       :-c     Real unhappy

 :-|    Grim                       :-C     Just totally unbelieving

 := |   Baboon                     :-B     Drooling

 :-v    Speaking                   :-,     Smirk

 :-V    Shout                      :-||    Anger

 :-w    Speak with forked tongue   :-)     Smiling

 :-r    Sticking tongue out        :-(     Frowning

 :-*    Oops!                      '-)     Wink

 :-T    Keeping a straight face    ;-)     Sardonic Incredulity

 :-D    Said with a smile          %-<I>   Drunk with laughter

 :-x    Kiss kiss                  :-"     Pursing lips

 :-[    Pouting                    :-#     My lips are sealed

 :-X    A big wet kiss!            :-P     Tongue hanging out in anticipation

 :-Y    A quiet aside              8-|     Eyes wide with surprise

 >-<    Absolutely livid!!         &-|     Tearful

 |-{    "Good Grief!"  (Charlie Brown?)

 :-}    "Thish wine tashted pretty good"

 8-]    "wow, maaan"

 8-O    "Omigod!!" (done after "rm -rf *" ?)

 :-,    "Hmmmm."

 |~(    "Someone just busted my nose".

 :^D    "Great! I like it!"

 B-D     "Serves you right, dummy!!"

:-)   Your basic smiley. This smilie is used to inflect a sarcastic or
      joking statement since we can't hear voice inflection over Unix.
;-)   Winky smiley. User just made a flirtatious and/or sarcastic remark.
      More of a "don't hit me for what I just said" smiley.
:-(   Frowning smiley. User did not like that last statement or is upset
      or depressed about something.
:-I   Indifferent smiley. Better than a Frowning smilie but not quite as
      good as a happy smiley
:->   User just made a really biting sarcastic remark. Worse than a :-).
>:->  User just made a really devilish remark.
>;->  Winky and devil combined. A very lewd remark was just made.


---
Tanin Uthayanaka   "You can check out any time you like but you can never leave"
---

-Date: Sun,  7 Mar 1993 17:38:15 -0500
-From: Kuo Chiang <blurp+@CMU.EDU>
-Subject: Re: I want SMILEYS

More smileys...

(-:   User is left handed
%-)   User has been staring at a green screen for 15 hours straight
:*)   User is drunk
[:]   User is a robot
8-)   User is wearing sunglasses
B:-)  Sunglasses on head
::-)  User wears normal glasses
B-)   User wears horn-rimmed glasses
8:-)  User is a little girl
:-)-8 User is a Big girl
:-{)  User has a mustache
:-{}  User wears lipstick
{:-)  User wears a toupee
}:-(  Toupee in an updraft
:-[   User is a Vampire
:-E   Bucktoothed vampire
:-F   Bucktoothed vampire with one tooth missing
:-7   User just made a wry statement
:-*   User just ate something sour
;-(  User is crying
;-)  User is so happy, s/he is crying
:-@   User is screaming
:-#   User wears braces
:^)   User has a broken nose
:<)   User is from an Ivy League School
:-&   User is tongue tied.
+-:-) User is the Pope or holds some other religious office
`:-)  User shaved one of his eyebrows off this morning
,:-)  Same thing...other side
|-I   User is asleep
|-O   User is yawning/snoring
:-Q   User is a smoker
:-?   User smokes a pipe
O-)   Megaton Man On Patrol!  (or else, user is a scuba diver)
O :-) User is an angel (at heart, at least)
:-P   Nyahhhh!
:-S   User just made an incoherent statement
:-D   User is laughing (at you!)
:-X   User's lips are sealed
:-C   User is really bummed
<|-)  User is Chinese
<|-(  User is Chinese and doesn't like these kind of jokes
:-/   User is skeptical
C=:-) User is a chef
@=    User is pro-nuclear war
*<:-) User is wearing a Santa Claus Hat
:-o   Uh oh!
(8-o  It's Mr. Bill!
*:o)  And Bozo the Clown!
3:]   Pet smiley
3:[   Mean Pet smiley
d8=   Your pet beaver is wearing goggles and a hard hat.
E-:-) User is a Ham radio operator
:-9   User is licking his/her lips
%-6   User is braindead
[:-)  User is wearing a walkman
(:I   User is an egghead
<:-I  User is a dunce
K:P   User is a little kid with a propeller beenie
@:-)  User is wearing a turban
:-0   No Yelling!  (Quiet Lab)
:-:   Mutant Smiley
      The invisible smiley
.-)   User only has one eye
,-)   Ditto...but he's winking
X-(   User just died
C=}>;*{O)  Mega-Smiley... A drunk, devilish chef with a toupee in an updraft,
                          a mustache, and a double chin
:] - Gleep...a friendly midget smiley who will gladly be your friend
:) - Happy
:> - hmm, let me think...
:D - Laughter
:I - Hmmm, not funny!
:( - Sad
:[ - Real Downer
:< - what pretences!
:{ - oh boy, the headmaster!...
:O - Yelling
;( - Crying
[] - Hugs and
:* - Kisses


  :-1   smiley bland face
  :-!          "
  :-$   smiley face with it's mouth wired shut
  :-6   smiley after eating something sour
  8-)   smiley swimmer
  :-*   smiley after eating something bitter
  :-&   smiley which is tongue-tied
  :-0   smiley orator
  (:-(  unsmiley frowning
  =:-)  smiley punk-rocker
  =:-(  (real punk rockers don't smile)
  +-:-) smiley priest
  :-o   smiley singing national anthem
  :-p   smiley sticking its tongue out (at you!)
  :-[   un-smiley blockhead
  :-]   smiley blockhead
  :-{   smiley variation on a theme
  :-}   ditto
  {:-)  smiley with its hair parted in the middle
  }:-)  above in an updraft
  g-)   smiley with pince-nez glasses
  :-\   undecided smiley
  :-/   lefty undecided smiley
  :-|   "have an ordinary day" smiley
  ;-)   winking smiley
  :-<   real sad smiley
  :-x   "my lips are sealed" smiley
  :-c   bummed out smiley
  :-v   talking head smiley
  :-?   smilely smoking a pipe
  0-)   smiley cyclops (scuba diver?)
  :<    midget unsmiley
  :>    midget smiley

:-)   ha ha           ~~:-(   net.flame
|-)   hee hee
|-D   ho ho
:->   hey hey
:-(   boo hoo           X-(   net.suicide
:-I   hmm
:-O   uh oh            >:-I   net.startrek
:-P   nyah nyah        3:o[   net.pets
|-P   yuk

Male   :-
Female >-

\:^)  - gumby smiley
8-o   - Mr. Bill smiley
:-{)  - moustache smiley
:^{)> - moustache and beard smiley
B^)   - Hornrimmed glasses smiley

   =|;()***<=====|    <---laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund
                            sideways -- this is the basic figure

   =};()****<=====|   laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
        F                   holding a gun

   =};()****<====|    laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
       =]                  carrying bedtray w/ glass of milk

   =};()****<^===|    lauging monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
                           w/ erection

   =};()****<====|    laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
         P                 carrying klaxon or posthorn


          /_
        /
   =}8()****<=====|   laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
        \  _               and opera cape and mask
          \

   =};()****<=====|   laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
       o0               carrying a large puffin
       v

   =};()****<=====|   laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
       <)___)= oooo     and Jetson jet-pack.

   =};()****<=====|   laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
         -- - - O        dropping a bowling ball or pumpkin.

   =};()****<=====|   laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,

                =o     and pet rabbit, noticeably  fatigued
     v           G
     |
   =};()****<=====|   laughing monocled man in tux and cummerbund,
     |                and unusually long Steve Martin-arrow-through-head trick
     V

Cheers!


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Mar  8 00:03:33 1993
Subject: SIMTEL20 to Oak conversion script
To: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 00:03:33 +0200 (EET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: RO

#! /bin/sh
#
# This filter changes SIMTEL20 upload references to the Oak batchftp format
# By Prof. Timo Salmi Sun 7-Mar-93
#
# Example suppose you have
# pd1:<msdos.graphics>
# UVESA31.ZIP     Universal VESA TSR for most SuperVGA cards
#
# For batchftp automatic downloading see
#  1670 May 24 11:51 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ftp/batchftp.inf
# 29520 Oct 31  1990 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/ftp/batchftp102.tar.Z
#
# 1) Convert to lower case
# 2) Leave out pd1:<
# 3) Put get at the start of every line
# 4) Convert "get msdos." to "cd /pub/msdos/"
# 5) Omit the trailing blanks
# 6) Omit the trailing >
# 7) Remove "get" if there is nothing else on the line
# 8) Retain only the first two words (i.e. omit the description)

tr 'A-Z' 'a-z' | sed -e 's/^pd1:<//' | sed -e 's/^/get /' | sed -e 's/^get msdos\./cd \/pub\/msdos\//' | sed -e 's/[ ]*$//g' | sed -e 's/>$//' | sed -e 's/get$//' | awk '{printf "%s %s\n", $1, $2}'


#..................................................................
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#Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
#Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
#Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Mar  9 03:43:44 1993
Subject: Re: statistics on down-loads from garbo?
To: S_JUFFA@iravcl.ira.uka.de
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 03:43:44 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <01GVKJ0JN2PY9BVFC2@IRAVCL.IRA.UKA.DE> from "S_JUFFA@iravcl.ira.uka.de" at Mar 8, 93 03:24:15 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: O

>Timo:

Hello Norbert,

>Do you keep statistics on the down-load of specific files from
>garbo? If so, I would like to know how often the files I uploaded

No, that is something we do not have.

>have been downloaded so far.  The files are: COPRO15.ZIP,
>FPBIBL13.ZIP, CTEST257.ZIP, TPL60N19.ZIP.  What I would need are the
>running totals for these files.  I want to check which of my uploads
>generate the most interest from users.  It would also be nice to
>have a running total over successive versions of a file, e.g.  how
>many times have all versions of TPL60Nxx.ZIP been down-loaded so
>far.  I would be pleased if you could provide me with some
>information.

Since the old weekly statistics are stored you can cumulate from
them assuming that the file has made it to the top 100 downloads.
The material is available as
 106474 Jan 4 03:03 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog92.zoo
 92573 Dec 29 1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog91.zoo
 8603 Feb 1 03:54 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog93.zoo
 ftplog91.zoo Old ftp stats from Garbo from week 07 1991 -> 52 1991
 ftplog92.zoo Old ftp stats from Garbo from week 01 1992 -> 52 1992
 ftplog93.zoo Old ftp stats from Garbo from week 01 1993 ->

I am afraid that is all I am able provide.

>On to something different.  Some time ago, I published two articles
>on the net: One dealt with Cyrix 486DLC compatibility issues, the
>other contained a performance comparison between the Cyrix 486DLC,
>Intel 386DX, Intel RapidCAD, and C&T 38600DX (this article will also
>appear in the April issue of the French publication "Tribunix").  I
>am planning to upgrade these articles where necessary and upload
>them to garbo (the doc-hard directory).  However, I am somehow under
>the impression that I already uploaded the latter file.  I can't
>find any reply in my email records, though.  Could you please check?

I wish I could but can't.  You'll have to check by collating from
the following files

 79400 Mar 8 15:49 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEX.ZIP
 INDEX.ZIP    The list of garbo.uwasa.fi MsDos files zipped

 45073 Mar 8 15:50 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/_dir.zip
 _dir.zip     Directory list giving the file sizes, zipped

>The file would bear a name such as PROCCMPx.ZIP or CPUCMPxx.ZIP or
>so.  Sorry that I have to bother you with this, but at times I am
>doing so many different things at the same time that I get confused
>about what I have done and what I only planned to do, but haven't
>done yet.  Thanks for bearing with me!

If you upload an already existing file by mistake that is still
better than taking the chace of not having an up to date version.

>All the best, Norbert Juffa (s_juffa@iravcl.ira.uka.de)

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Mar  9 11:21:28 1993
Subject: Re: TSBAT42 Problem/Question
To: djtooley@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Doug Tooley)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 11:21:28 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <93Mar9.014947est.246136-2@descartes.uwaterloo.ca> from "Doug Tooley" at Mar 9, 93 01:48:57 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: O

> Hi Timo,
>
> I was looking at the BATRICKS.TXT file from TSBAT42.ZIP...
> This is the code for testing the weekday, but I couldn't get it
> to work in a TEST.BAT file, so I used your code exactly and it
> still wouldn't work.

Hi Doug,

To make sure I captured directly from this message the material for
retesting on both a MsDos 5.0 and a MsDos 3.3 machine.  I had no
problems.  This rises the following question.  What operating system
are you using when testing?

> What happens is: It hangs on "date". It doesn't like "echo." as a
> pipped input.
>
>   @echo off
>   echo.| date | find "Current" > tmp$$$.bat
>   echo set weekday_=%%3> current.bat
>   call tmp$$$
>   echo %weekday_%
>   if "%weekday_%"=="Fri" echo Thank God it's Friday
>   if exist tmp$$$.bat del tmp$$$.bat
>   if exist current.bat del current.bat
>   set weekday_=
>
> Similarly for  Time w/o prompt here:
>
>   echo.| time | find /v "new"
>
> Was there a special character you put in "." for the echo? I tried
> a ALT-13 (ie: Enter) and that didn't work either. If I put any other
> characters it hangs the computer (keyboard freezes/beeps) and gives an
> "Invalid Time" (or similar) message.

No special character is needed.  The . should be ok.

> So Timo, What am I doing wrong?

Probably nothing.  I suspect (but cannot know, of course) that the
problem is somehow with your configiration, since this is so
exceptional.

> Oh, I was *very* impressed by the use of the DIR command to extract the
> length of a string, similarly with using "ms-dos.bat" to get the DOS
> version number. I hadn't thought about that trick. :-)

I am pleased to hear this.

> How are things in Finland?

Not as well as they could be.  We are having a very bad recession.

>    --- Doug

   All the best, Timo

> ...."I haven't lost my mind, I know exactly where I left it."................
> Doug Tooley             3B Co-Op CS student at U of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
> djtooley@{descartes|napier|cayley}.uwaterloo.ca

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Mar  9 11:28:09 1993
Subject: Re: Simtel CD-ROM at Garbo
To: juho@mail.vitech.fi (Juho M. Nieminen)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 11:28:09 +0200 (EET)
Cc: mt (Matti Taanonen), hh (Hannu Hirvonen), hv (Harri Valkama)
In-Reply-To: <9303090920.AA09682@uwasa.fi> from "Juho M. Nieminen" at Mar 9, 93 11:19:03 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: O

> Hei Timo
> Mihink{ on Simtelin mirror filet h{vinnyt
> ne olivat Garbossa viel{ muutama viikko sitten mutta nyt niit{
> ei ole en{{ n{kynyt. Onko takana joku keino saada myyty{ niit{
> CD-ROM:ia vai muuten vain joku hassahdus, jotta me tekulaiset
> ei voitaisi niit{ ottaa. Kaikilla kun ei ole CD-ROM asemaa

(Summary: Why isn't the SIMTEL20 CD-ROM mounted on Garbo).

Kyll{ ne ovat h{vinneet sielt{ aivan tarkoituksella, koska meid{n
teht{v{mme on edist{{ Vaasan yliopistoa ja sen ohjelmakirjastoa
Garboa eik{ peilata muita FTP sitej{.  Myynnin edist{misen kanssa
asialla ei ole tekemist{, koska minulla, joka p{{t|ksen tein, ei ole
taloudellista kytkent{{ SIMTEL20 CD-ROM myynnin osalta.  My|sk{{n
tekulaisten kanssa p{{t|ksell{ni ei ole mit{{n yhteytt{.

(Summary: Because despite our good cooperation with SIMTEL20 our
task is to promote the University of Vaasa and Garbo rather than
other FTP sites).

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Mar 10 07:01:13 EET 1993
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Latest pkunzip
Keywords: pkzip
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 05:00:21 GMT
Status: RO

In article <6612@naucse.cse.nau.edu> wew@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Bill
Wilson) writes in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d:
>Where can I get a copy of the latest version of pkzip & pkunzip?
>I can't seem to locate the version 2+ on simtel or the mirrors.

 202574 Feb 1 02:04 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/arcers/pkz204g.exe
 pkz204g.exe  PKWARE's pkzip, pkunzip, pkzipfix, zip2exe for .zip

 40062 Jan 18 11:06 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/arcers/unz50p1.exe
 unz50p1.exe  Info-ZIP's self-extracting unzipper (pkzip 2.04 compatible)

 114486 Aug 28 1992 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/arcers/zip19p1x.zip
 zip19p1x.zip Info-ZIP's free MsDos zipper (pkzip 2.04 compatible)

 299288 Jan 15 08:42 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/unz50p1.tar.Z
 unz50p1.tar.Z Info-ZIP's portable unzipper (Unix,VMS,..), 2.04 compatible

 244565 Nov 23 11:38 garbo.uwasa.fi:/unix/arcers/zip19p1.tar.Z
 zip19p1.tar.Z Info-ZIP's portable zipper (Unix,VMS,..), 2.04 compatible

The purpose of the CBIP.d newsgroup is defined as
 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d Discussions about IBM/PC binary postings.

The requests for finding PD and shareware MsDos programs are best at
home in
 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted Requests for IBM PC and compatible programs
 comp.archives.msdos.d Discussion of materials available in MSDOS archives.

The weekly CAM.d FAQ is also of interest
 10135 Mar 8 20:02 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/camfaq.zip
 camfaq.zip   comp.archives.msdos.(d/announce) Frequently Asked Questions

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Mar 10 22:23:54 1993
Subject: Re: Where are TS-programs
To: sb@vax.rz.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (stephan betzel)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 22:23:54 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <14*/S=sb/OU=vax/OU=rz/PRMD=uni-wuerzburg/ADMD=dbp/C=de/@MHS> from "stephan betzel" at Mar 10, 93 04:57:39 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: O

>
> Dear Timo Salmi,
>
> thanks a lot for your programs.
> I enjoy filecomp very much even if it's slowly and often speaking.
> But now I've been looking for TSPELL, TSFILT & TSUTIL but I couldn't
> find them on 128.214.87.1 .
> Please would you like to send me the correct path to your files.
>
> Thanks a lot and greetings
>
>                             Stephan Betzel
>

Hello Stephan,

You can easily locate my programs, and see the contents of the
packages by looking at

 17947 Mar 2 07:06 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEXTS.ZIP
 INDEXTS.ZIP  Details of the contents of each TS-package in zipped form

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Mar 11 06:55:38 1993
Subject: Re: TP and spell checking
To: bwilliams@marvin.ag.uidaho.edu (Brad Williams)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 06:55:38 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <bwilliams.83.731798142@marvin.ag.uidaho.edu> from "Brad Williams" at Mar 10, 93 09:15:42 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: O

> Going to add your spell checker to the enhanced TEditor units I ftp'd to
> garbo?

Hi Brad,

No, I do not think so.  But the spell checker is available

 67370 Sep 29 1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tschek14.zip
 tschek14.zip A Unix-like spelling checker (for MsDos ascii files).

And in can be applied in the QEdit editor, which is a Turbo Pascal
IDE like editor.  The relevant macro can be found in.

 31255 Jan 8 21:50 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsqed17.zip
 tsqed17.zip  Macros and configurations for QEdit text-editor.

Incidentally, the macros in tsqed17.zip can also be used to compile
Turbo Pascal programs from within the QEdit editor.

   All the best, Timo

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Brad Williams, Campus Veterinarian
> Animal and Vet Science        Phone:    (208) 885-8958
> University of Idaho           FAX:      (208) 885-6420
> Moscow, Idaho 83844           Internet: bwilliams@marvin.ag.uidaho.edu
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Mar 13 09:54:38 1993
Subject: Re: Your hangman game
To: whcox@whcox.enet.dec.com (Bill Cox Database Systems NUO 264-6169)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 09:54:38 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9303130314.AA20249@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> from "Bill Cox, Database Systems, NUO, 264-6169" at Mar 12, 93 07:25:28 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: O

>Timo,

Hello Bill,

>First let me say that I and my children have had a lot of fun
>playing with your game programs.  Thank you.

I am pleased to that you liked
 71135 Dec 14 1990 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgmee10.zip
 tsgmee10.zip Classic Hangman and Towers of Hanoi

>The hangman program did confuse me.  When you guess a letter only
>the first occurence of the letter is revealed.  You must guess the
>same letter again to a second occurence.  And so on.  Is this
>intentional behavior? I'm not an expert on hangman, but I had always
>seen it played where all occurences of a letter were revealed the
>first time a letter is specified.

What happens is deliberate.  My version of the hangman game reveals
a single letter at a time.

>Could you mail me the full download instructions?

Arriving in a separate email.

>Regards,
>bill
>whcox@whcox.ENET.dec.com

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Mar 15 21:14:32 1993
Subject: Re: ftp statistics for node garbo (computed Mon Mar 15 00:23:01 EET 1993)
To: cee1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Charles Evans)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 21:14:32 +0200 (EET)
In-Reply-To: <9303151729.AA17198@Isis.MsState.Edu> from "Charles Evans" at Mar 15, 93 11:29:22 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5]
Status: O

> Greetings Timo Dr. Sir.:

(Timo)

Hi Charles,

> I appreciate your downloading statistics.. might you keep these in an
> archive of previous ones. I am interested in say, like download statistics
> since Jan 1, 1993 and put each weeks finsing in spreadsheet format and do
> some analysis of it all.
>
> Any chance you have the previous ones?

Yes, certainly.

 20455 Jan 4 13:21 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload12.lst
 110307 Jan 1 1992 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload91.zip
 102845 Jan 4 13:21 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload92.zip
 18409 Mar 2 15:47 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload93.zip
 20434 Mar 2 15:47 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload302.lst
 19758 Feb 1 13:08 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload301.lst
 dload12.lst  Annotated Garbo download statistics for December 1992
 dload301.lst Annotated Garbo download statistics for January 1993
 dload302.lst Annotated Garbo download statistics for February 1993
 dload91.zip  Download stats for Garbo from week 08 1991 ->
 dload92.zip  Monthly approximate download stats for Garbo for 1992
 dload93.zip  Monthly approximate download stats for Garbo for 1993

 4468 Mar 8 11:14 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog09.lst
 4446 Feb 22 08:49 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog07.lst
 106474 Jan 4 03:03 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog92.zoo
 92573 Dec 29 1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog91.zoo
 4405 Feb 8 08:50 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog05.lst
 4443 Feb 16 08:21 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog06.lst
 8603 Feb 1 03:54 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog93.zoo
 4456 Mar 8 10:44 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog08.lst
 4429 Mar 15 11:47 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog10.lst
 ftplog05.lst Ftp stats from Garbo (calls,files,hosts) week 05 1993
 ftplog06.lst Ftp stats from Garbo (calls,files,hosts) week 06 1993
 ftplog07.lst Ftp stats from Garbo (calls,files,hosts) week 07 1993
 ftplog91.zoo Old ftp stats from Garbo from week 07 1991 -> 52 1991
 ftplog92.zoo Old ftp stats from Garbo from week 01 1992 -> 52 1992
 ftplog93.zoo Old ftp stats from Garbo from week 01 1993 ->


> thanks
> cee1@ra.msstate.edu

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Mar 21 19:11:28 EET 1993
Article: 1697 of comp.archives.msdos.d
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Why avoid overseas downloads
Message-ID: <1993Mar21.170223.14472@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 17:02:23 GMT
Lines: 35
Status: RO

In article <1993Mar20.042136.12078@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>
christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:

>Basically, what does it really matter if we get our files from
>garbo or wuarchive?  Are the wires in Finland going to wear out
>faster or something?  :-)

Dislaimer: These are views I've seen on the net.

Many admins would prefer to rationalize on the international network
load by having the users concentrate their FTP traffic on the nearby
sites.  The overseas traffic (or any net traffic) is far from
costless.  The individual users just don't pay personally.  I
understand this concern.  On the other hand this is supposed to be a
global network.

>I try to get what I can from mirror sites anyway; I'm just curious.

In fact the problem is not a Garbo specific question, but a general
question about overseas traffic and the available capacity and its
costs.  If you don't mind, I would rather stay away from this
potential controversy, but since the question directly involved
Garbo I felt justified to distance myself.

>I hate obeying rules when I don't know a good reason why!

I have no plans to resume any of my former guidance about rules.

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


