From ts@uwasa.fi  Sat Sep 5 7:00:00 1992
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: /pc/pd2/post11.txt file description
To: ts@uwasa.fi  (Timo Salmi)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 6:46:16 EET
Status: OR

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
! This file is in mail format, so you can also read it with any !
! suitable Unix mail program such as elm: (elm -f post11.txt).  !
! On a PC /pc/mail/rmail*.zip is a convenient alternative       !
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

   This is the eleventh file that contains my replies and comments
that I or others have made by email, or just written here instead of
posting to (mainly to) comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives, or postings
that I wanted to retain for your information.
   Note that the latest post??.zip is always being updated until it
contains 30 messages.  The files are located at the /pc/pd2
directory.
   For an index of all the post*.zip files please see
/pc/pd2/tspost00.zip.

1   Dec 31 To Timo Salmi      (31)   /pc/pd2/post11.txt file description
2   Oct 20 To Disgruntled     (57)   Re: Format of digest summary
3   Oct 19 Keith Petersen     (58)   New mailing list for MS-DOS file upl
4   Oct 18 Timo Salmi         (30)   Re: WANTED: good SHAREWARE progs.
5   Oct 16 Timo Salmi         (55)   The collapse of CBIP(.d,.archives) (
6   Oct 14 To Combined SIMTEL (43)   On duplicate announcements
7   Oct 12 To Chris Menzel    (123)  Re: Garbo announcements and CBIP.arc
8   Oct 11 To Garbo Infolist  (37)   SIMTEL20 and Garbo infolists
9   Oct 10 To Garbo users     (39)   Reducing my free services
10  Oct 8  To David Komatsu   (96)   Re: A text file uploaded to Garbo
11  Oct 6  Samuel Ko          (152)  RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce mo
12  Sep 30 To tgrasse@emdeng. (37)   Re: WANTED: UNIX CUT and ED commands
13  Sep 30 To Shankar Ramakri (39)   Re: Garbo download statistics
14  Sep 29 To Sven Guckes     (45)   Re: TS FAQs
15  Sep 27 Robert A. Bruce    (84)   Simtel-20 MSDOS CDROM, Sept Edition,
16  Sep 27 Hans-Peter Kolb    (311)  Re: Off charter postings... Is it al
17  Sep 25 Nico E de Vries    (101)  Re: PKZIP 1.10, patch to fix compres
18  Sep 22 Keith Petersen     (35)   Emailing to UUCP addresses (Was Re:
19  Sep 20 Timo Salmi         (38)   Turbo Pascal and QEdit
20  Sep 20 To kko@sfu.ca      (41)   Re: Should this be ...
21  Sep 19 Timo Salmi         (85)   Please use your own ID as the passwo
22  Sep 17 To DARRELL DAVIS   (62)   Re: Editable READLN...
23  Sep 17 Timo Salmi         (89)   Re: Setting the cursor off
24  Sep 15 Timo Salmi         (77)   Re: BIGCURS cursor program update in
25  Sep 14 To Simon Bernstein (38)   Re: Index for garbo
26  Sep 13 To Derek Wanless   (44)   Re: flagquiz
27  Sep 10 To Rich Holland    (41)   Announcement lags (Was shrom19c.zip)
28  Sep 8  To yusuf@cs.uwp.ed (27)   Re: Long PATH in DOS-How?
29  Sep 7  To Lyle Fong       (42)   Re: Request for CD-ROM Archive Infor
30  Sep 5  To John David Powe (49)   Re: from a lurker in the back row

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Sep  5 07:57:44 1992
Subject: Re: from a lurker in the back row
To: jdp@cs.odu.edu (John David Powell)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 7:57:44 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9209022052.AA04520@raedwald.cs.odu.edu>; from "John David Powell" at Sep 2, 92 4:52 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

>       Hi there Professor Salmi!

Hello John,

>       First of all, I think you do a marvelous job of moderating the
> comp.lang.pascal group, and your collection of TPUs and FAQs are

Thank you.  Appreciated.  In fact comp.lang.pascal is unmoderated,
but I try to input my share.

> without peer.  When I first started lurking through the newsgroups
> about a year ago, your FAQ on pascal was a wonderful starter.  Thank
> you.

I am pleased to hear that the material in my /pc/ts/tsfaq29.zip FAQ
and /pc/ts/tspa29*.zip are serving their purpose well.

>       Couple of questions, since you seem to be quite experienced in
> coding in TP [even though you modestly disclaim this in many posts!] :
> ...ever use any of the toolkits available commercially from
> TurboPower Software?

Yes, I have used what was called Turbo Professional 5.0 (now Turbo
Objective).  I found it well worth the while (the usual disclaimer
applies).  On the other hand it is quite heavy, and I have found (or
written) more flexible code for the task I need and that have
parallels in that kit.  But it is definite worth a look because one
can lear much from the code.  They include source code (while I do
not).

>                       bcnu...JD

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Sep  7 22:36:54 1992
Subject: Re: Request for CD-ROM Archive Information
To: lyle@netcom.com (Lyle Fong)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 22:36:54 EET DST
Cc: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen), hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama),
        yogi@cs.ubc.ca (Joseph Gil)
In-Reply-To: <scqn_c-.lyle@netcom.com>; from "Lyle Fong" at Sep 7, 92 7:45 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> A while back I read some messages about the SIMTEL and GARBO
> archives being distributed on CD's.  I would like to receive
> more information about this- regarding cost, how I could  go
> about obtaining them, etc..
>
> Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Hello Lyle,

You can find information on this in the following ascii file
  7398 Sep  6 11:29 garbo.uwasa.fi:/GARBO.CD-ROM
Although it is for Garbo, the information is about the same for
SIMTEL20.

> lyle@netcom.com
>
> (PS. I hope I'm posting on the right newsgroup- if not, please
> let me know, but DON'T FLAME me.)

I can assure you, no one properly involved with maintaining these
newsgroups is out to flame anyone.  As to the right newsgroup, gee,
I don't know even myself.  This has the makings of both
cbip.archives and cbip.wanted.  A manner of taste even, perhaps.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Sep  8 10:49:09 1992
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:49:00 +0300
To: yusuf@cs.uwp.edu
Subject: Re: Long PATH in DOS-How?
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Cc: cet1@cec2.wustl.edu
Status: OR

In article <1992Sep6.000059.7683@cs.uwp.edu> you write:
>In Article LONG PATH cet1@cec2.wustl.edu (Chuck Turco) writes...
>>Is there a trick to making a super-long PATH in DOS?
:
>There is no trick that I know... but there is an alternative.

In fact, yes, there is.  One can use subst commands to cram in long
paths.  For details you might be interested to take a look at
 88457 Aug 30 13:26 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsbat37.zip

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Sep 10 08:35:59 1992
Subject: Announcement lags (Was shrom19c.zip)
To: holland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Rich Holland)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 8:35:59 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9209100216.AA04541@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>; from "Rich Holland" at Sep 9, 92 9:16 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

Not to be publicly quoted without my permission
===============================================

> can't seem to find 19c... :-(

 21244 Jun 24 22:02 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/sysutil/shroom20.zip

Yet to be announced in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives.  My
announcements in there lag for the time being because I have started
bunching most of them to save me from some work.  You can expect the
lags even up to a week at the moment.  The situation is that I must
cut down on my moderating work somewhat in order to take time for my
other activities.  When I recently got flak from a user for
announcing in cbip.archives my upload of the list of Finnish BBSes
to Garbo, and from another smart-alec on my followup to the
announcement, I realized that the first place where I can cut back
is the unassuming time I am giving to the cbip newsgroups.

  1839 Jun 18 10:29 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/infolist.txt

Rich, take a look at what it takes to get on my private distribution
list in case you are interested.  The announcements go out to this
selective list asap.  This is an exclusive list, but as far as I
know you from the net you should be well eligible.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep 13 19:33:52 1992
Subject: Re: flagquiz
To: derek@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Derek Wanless)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 19:33:52 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <1863.9209111358@uk.ac.keele.seq1>; from "Derek Wanless" at Sep 11, 92 5:58 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> May I compliment you on your flag game and quiz programs.  My
> children have had lots of fun learning the flags.  However my oldest
> sun is now approaching the stage when it would be better if he did
> not have a hint in the form of a shortlist of 12.  Is there any way
> in which this list can be switched off?

Hello Derek,

Thank you for the compliment on my
 82909 May 21 13:49 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsgmed12.zip

No there is no way at present to turn off the list, but that is a
good idea for any forthcoming updates.  I'll think about it.
Thanks.

All the best, Timo

> --
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Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Sep 14 21:35:51 1992
Subject: Re: Index for garbo
To: bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za (Simon Bernstein)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:35:51 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9209141823.AA03870@shrike.und.ac.za>; from "Simon Bernstein" at Sep 14, 92 8:23 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> Hi Timo.

Hello Simon,

> Firstly, thanks for the great service you provide - we users really
> appreciate your efforts.

You are most welcome.  Always glad to hear that it is appreciated.

> Secondly, could you please tell me the name of the index file to all the
> Turbo Pascal/Turbo Vision files at garbo. Our lines are only 9600 baud, and
> heavily overloaded, so we have to use batch ftp rather than on-line.

There is a special contents file called
151632 Aug 6 10:38 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/turbopas/0turbopa.dir

There is no similar contents file for the TurboVision section.
There you will have to do with the regular Garbo index
 72705 Sep 14 21:18 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEX.ZIP
You'll need it anyway for the annotated /pc/turbopas file list.

> Thanks for your help, and keep up the good work.
>
>   - Simon
>
> Simon Bernstein                    (Witty comment goes here)
> University of Natal, Durban
> bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Sep 16 05:58:12 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: BIGCURS cursor program update in TSUTLD20.ZIP at Garbo
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.105312.14842@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:53:12 GMT
Status: OR

In article <1992Sep14.151921.3320@ncsu.edu> mrmarcel@eos.ncsu.edu
(MICHAEL RONN MARCELAIS) writes:
In article <1992Sep13.162626.14660@uwasa.fi>, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>|>
>|> Sun 13-Sep-92: I have released an update of my fourth package of
>|> utilities making it garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsutld20.zip.
>|>    I have a laptop-oriented TSR (terminate and stay resident)
>|> program BIGCURS.EXE to make the cursor a block so that is is better
>|> visible. It now can sense whether it already has been loaded so that
>|> the user cannot accidentally load it twice.
>|> [Rest of util package desc. removed]

>Why does this need to be a TSR?  I know there is a system call in DOS to allow

Please take a little closer look at the original announcement.  The
package comes with a version that is not a TSR (BIGNCURS.EXE).

>you to change the cursor size and doesn't require a TSR program.  Norton
>Control Center does this without being a TSR and it works.  What else does

With a non-TSR you have the problem of some applications restoring
the cursor to its small state.  With a full TSR you won't have this
problem.

>this program do, besides give you a big cursor and eat up memory?

Oh dear, in a slightly provocative mood today, aren't we :-).  Ok,
I'll bite.  What else would you wish a big cursor program do than
produce a big cursor?

A further note.  One can load the TSRs in the high memory.  Very
easy with MsDos 5.0, and possible with the earlier versions with the
help of memory managers.  Besides, as I said, a non-TSR was
included.

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: BIGCURS cursor program update in TSUTLD20.ZIP at Garbo
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 10:47:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.165714.1218@lucrece.robots.ox.ac.uk>
gordon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Gordon Buxton) writes:
>how about a flashing cursor, custom cursor colours, user-defined
>cursor bitmaps, a beeping cursor (so you can hear where it is), store
>and recall cursor position hot-keys, on-line context sensitive help
>and, the pie`ce de resistance: automatic cursor position control from
>certain keyboard interrupts (eg. pressing the arrow keys).
>:-)

Good ideas in there, thank you.  I'll store this suggestion.  Some
comments.  The cursor is flashy already (pardon the pun).  The
context sensitive help would eat up memory more than a bit (pardon
again).

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland




From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Sep 17 12:46:59 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Setting the cursor off
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 07:17:39 GMT
Lines: 42
Status: OR

In article <1992Sep17.013525.27889@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>
>>  CURSOFF  Turn off cursor (keeps other cursor attributes)
>>  CURSON   Turn cursor back on as it was
>>  CURSOR   Change cursor size
>
>Timo, are you aware of the bug in most Hercules compatible cards
>(and maybe even in the MDA)?

No, Leonard, I was not aware of this.  Thank you for making the
point.

All my programs, including the Turbo Pascal units, have been written
for a "compatible standard configuration".  I don't have an exact
definition for that, but in broad terms a standard color video
adapter (CGA, EGA, VGA) is assumed.  I have not taken eny special
steps for the postential vagaries of a Hercules adapter.

(PS My apologies for quoting this time in full.  A bad habit, but
needed this once since I'll store this in the Garbo feedback files).

>The "get cursor start/end" interrup in the BIOS returns an *incorrect*
>value! This means that it is not possible to reliably restore a cursor
>to the previous state! (Check Ralp Brown's interrupt list, I'm the one
>who contributed the note to that INT 10 function)
>
>What gets returned on most of the "problem" isystems is the default
>start/end values for the *CGA* cursor. Which results in a - for a
>cursor on an MDa or Herc setup.
>
>--
>Leonard Erickson                     leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
>CIS: [70465,203]                        70465.203@compuserve.com
>FIDO:   1:105/51        Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
>(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


-From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Setting the cursor off
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:42:37 GMT

ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:

>>Timo, are you aware of the bug in most Hercules compatible cards
>>(and maybe even in the MDA)?

>No, Leonard, I was not aware of this.  Thank you for making the
>point.

>All my programs, including the Turbo Pascal units, have been written
>for a "compatible standard configuration".  I don't have an exact
>definition for that, but in broad terms a standard color video
>adapter (CGA, EGA, VGA) is assumed.  I have not taken eny special
>steps for the postential vagaries of a Hercules adapter.

It's not a vagary of the Herc or MDA cards. The problem is in the
*system* BIOS. Neither Herc nor MDA cards load any Bios extensions.
So the Int 10h functions are all handled by the system BIOS.
And that Bios is badly broken on many systems.

My advice is to just check and see what sort of adapter is present.
If it isn't CGA/EGA/VGA don't mess with the cursor. Or, alternatively,
add the code to check for MDA/Herc and set the cursor back to the
default.

--
Leonard Erickson                      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]                         70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51         Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)


From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Sep 17 16:02:46 1992
Subject: Re: Editable READLN...
To: DAVISD@ziavms.enmu.edu (DARRELL DAVIS)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 16:02:46 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <920915162147.b31@ziavms.enmu.edu>; from "DARRELL DAVIS" at Sep 15, 92 4:21 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

>       Thanks for your reply in comp.lang.pascal for an editable
> readln.  I got a copy of TSPA2960.  In it I found many useful
> functions.  I appreciate the time and energy you have devoted to
> this project.  EDREADLN is exactly what I was looking for, with one
> exception.  I wish that
>
> My suggestion for EDREADLN(prompt, old, sj) is to have the old
> string displayed as the function is called.  For example, prompt is
> 'Path to files : ' and old is 'c:\data\'.  When EDREADLN is called
> the user will see:
>
>    Path to files : c:\data\
>
> The user can then hit enter to accept the string or edit it to his
> desire.  Does this make sense.  I plan to use this in a config
> program the will prompt the user for several paths.  If the config
> program is run a second time the user could just accept those
> options that he doesn't want to change.
>
> Again I thank you for this TPU.  I would like to user a few
> functions to spice up some utilities that I have written to run with
> Searchlight BBS.  Do you give permission for your functions to be
> used in this manner? I will of course give you credit in the
> documentation.  Thanks.

Hello again Darrell,

I have now taken a closer look at this.  Yes, I will be able to
program a default input like suggest.  It will take some additional
work with the TSUNTF unit, and adding new routines which come with
this option.  For compatibility the old EDREADLN will have to staty
as it is, and a EDRDEFLN will be added.  I'll also have to take a
look at the other routines in TSUNTF.

All this will require updating my units collections:
 94246 Aug 26 23:18 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspa2940.zip
 96009 Aug 26 23:20 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspa2950.zip
 98101 Aug 26 23:20 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspa2955.zip
 98264 Aug 26 23:21 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tspa2960.zip

I will be doing that in the near future, because I think yours is a
useful idea.  Thank you for it.  I'll keep you posted.

Yes, I'll give you the permission as an appreciation of the idea you
provided.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Sep 19 09:12:32 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Please use your own ID as the password if you wish to use Garbo
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1992 06:02:13 GMT
Lines: 31
Status: OR

Let me once again draw the gentle Garbo users' attention to using
your own id as the password in your FTP downloads from us.  See the
instructions below which are a part of the prerecorded set I send to
users on request.

Do not use passwords like "guest" or "-" or "" or "anonymous" or
whatever.  You have to use your own id.  You don't actually have to
take the trouble of typing your entire email address, the first part
of the id is sufficient, because the log program will capture the
name of the computer where you are calling from.

For example, I would use ts@uwasa.fi or simply my local id which is
ts.  (But don't copy this as such.  Use your own id, not mine :-).

I'd rather we managed this without having to invoke an FTP watchdog
program at Garbo.

ftp                   #Invoke the file transfer program
open garbo.uwasa.fi   #Connect to garbo.uwasa.fi at the University
                      #of Vaasa
anonymous             #Use this name to get temporary privileges
Give your email address as your password (or just your local id)
cd /pc/ts             #Go to the relevant directory
dir  (or ls -lF)      #Directory of available files
ascii                 #vaasa.inf is an ordinary text file
get vaasa.inf         #Copy the file to your default directory
binary                #tspfon29.zip is a binary file
mget tspfon*.zip      #mget allows wildcards
close                 #Terminate the connection
quit                  #Quit the file transfer program

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Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From: ts
Subject: Re: Please use your own ID as the password if you wish to use Garbo
To: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92 8:16:35 EET DST

> In comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives you write:
>
> >Do not use passwords like "guest" or "-" or "" or whatever.  You
> >have to use your own id.  You don't have to type your entire email
> >address, the id is quite sufficient.
>
> >Give your email address as your password
>
> I snipped this from your recent admin post.  Seems the two phrases
> contradict a bit.

Hi Ralph,

The logic here was supposed to be that the user has the choice of
typing the entire email address or just the first part of it.  Like
I would use ts@uwasa.fi or just ts.  Both are ok, while using eg
guest would not be.  Of the two acceptable choices, the shorter form
is preferable.

Of course you, Ralph, as an experienced user see this easily through
my inaccurate wording.  I write this paternally just for the benefit
of the new users, because I am storing this in our information
files.  Thank you for the useful tip.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep 20 08:27:30 1992
Subject: Re: Should this be ...
To: kko@sfu.ca
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92 8:27:30 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9209200020.AA05680@fraser.sfu.ca>; from "kko@sfu.ca" at Sep 19, 92 5:20 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> Hi ...
>
> >From your _files.in file
>
> > ./sysutil/login_ds.zip
>
> Should this be login.zip? ...
>
> Samuel

Hello Samuel,

In a sense, yes.  That was an astute observation.

Here is how it goes.  There are two different login.zip files.  The
old login.zip which I renamed to be login_ds.zip.  And the new,
different login.zip by another author, which I downloaded from the
binary postings.  Unfortunately the mechanics of the _files.in new
files list shows the old, but changed name as the new one in cases
like this.  It is so confusing with these utilities with common
names, and with no version numbers.  I wish we moderators could
impose more unique naming conventions on the authors, but there is
not very much that can be done about this if the utility already is
in vide circulation.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Sep 20 09:57:44 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Turbo Pascal and QEdit
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1992 06:56:36 GMT
Lines: 26
Status: OR

In article <1992Sep20.024114.25885@midway.uchicago.edu>
nbw1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I must agree.  The IDE is much too bulky.  Right now I use the TP 5.5
>IDE and compile them with TPC 6.0..Im a little disappointed that I
>have to go to such lengths to get programming comfort...I find that

I have a far better time-proven solution for that.  Use the QEdit
editor and define a macro to call TPC.  Simple and convenient.
QEdit is so near TP's editor that you in effect have a nifty
multifile IDE.  The only thing is that it takes some setting up the
first time around, but after that it's like a breeze.  You'll need
the following utilities:

The QEdit editor
135048 Sep  3  1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/editor/qedit215.zip

The macros
 27721 Apr 18 11:42 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsqed16.zip

Swapping to disk not to run out of memory during compilation
 21244 Jun 24 22:02 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/sysutil/shroom20.zip

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil Tue Sep 22 10:06:28 1992
From: w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
To: ts@uwasa.fi
Subject: Emailing to UUCP addresses (Was Re: zip19.tar has ...)
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives
Cc: arch%us4binr.uucp@uunet.uu.net, hh@uwasa.fi
Status: OR

Timo, in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives you wrote:
>In article <1992Sep19.024506.22944@solucor.uucp> arch@us4binr.uucp writes:
>>to download zip19.tar, mail this message to request@us4binr.uucp
>
>Since I cannot reach email addresses (uucp) like the poster's I have
>to post this information.

Timo, you can send mail to any uucp host that is registered in the
net maps.  The address of arch@us4binr.uucp is:

     arch%us4binr.uucp@uunet.uu.net

I hope he will add this to his signature.

The SunOS sendmail.cf file can be configured to define a uucp forwarding
host so you can use addresses like  arch@us4binr.uucp  or  us4binr!arch
without having to edit the address.  Your local Unix person should be
able to help with that.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or       w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                          BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

From nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl Sat Sep 26 04:31:10 EET 1992
From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: PKZIP 1.10, patch to fix compression bug.
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:15:31 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht
Lines: 29
Status: OR

Mark Gresbach (hope I spelled the name right) from PKWARE
did send me the patch. He did also BTW say that PKZIP will
be coming real soon now.

Nico E. de Vries
 _ _
 O O  USENET nevries@cc.ruu.nl This text reflects MY opinions, nothing else.
  o   This text is supplied 'AS IS', no waranties of any kind apply.
 \_/  Don't waste your time on complaining about my hopeless typostyle.

====================

        OK, you can patch it yourself. Follow this.

        Make sure you PKZIP is not PKLITE'd and compressed.
        Then rename the PKZIP.EXE to something else besides an EXE,
        for debugging purposes, you cant debug an EXE. Then after
        you go into your debugger, use the following sequence


e5e60 eb b2
w
q

        Type this in exactly, spaces and all. This is the patch.

        Mark




-From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Subject: PKZIP 1.10, major bug ???
Date: 24 Sep 92 08:44:11 GMT

The file in the included archive is not processed properly by
PKZIP 1.10. It does not explode to the correct file (damage).
The contents of the file are very unusual but nevertheless
IMO this should never happen. The file is made by R.E.M.

Nico E. de Vries
 _ _
 O O  USENET nevries@cc.ruu.nl This text reflects MY opinions, nothing else.
  o   This text is supplied 'AS IS', no waranties of any kind apply.
 \_/  Don't waste your time on complaining about my hopeless typostyle.

=====

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sum -r/size 22910/931 section (from "begin" to "end")
sum -r/size 22790/652 entire input file




-From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Subject: Re: PKZIP 1.10, major bug ???
Date: 24 Sep 92 15:23:09 GMT


Yep, sure looks like a bug to me.  It is a bug in PKZIP as opposed to
PKUNZIP, since the file also fails to extract using Info-zip's unzip.
(As a historical note, PKUNZIP has many undocumented restrictions that
one would call bugs, were it not for the fact that PKZIP also obeys
these restrictions.  This relegates them to bugs in appnote.txt.)

Looking at what unzip extracts compared to what it should extract, it
appears that PKZIP 1.1 has noticed that 09111... has appeared before,
but it gets replaced with just 11111..., so the pointer back in the
text has missed, probably two characters forward.

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu


From kolb@kub.nl Sun Sep 27 16:36:23 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
From: kolb@kub.nl (Hans-Peter Kolb)
Subject: Re: Off charter postings... Is it all our fault?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 11:27:20 GMT
Status: OR


>>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:50:36 GMT, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) said:

   (... some questionable (but definitely worthy of discussion)
        remarks on the role of some archive site maintainers
        in the running of the *unmoderated* newsgroup
        c.b.i.p.a deleted ...)


     >>If I need something else in future I will first post it to
     >>".wanted" for reasonable amount of time ; if I get no replies
     >>then i will post it to other newsgroups under ".binaries".

  Timo> Ok, if this is the way it goes, then let's talk about some
  Timo> real policing.  If this person really intends to continue to
  Timo> disturb the efforts which we FTP sites moderators put in for
  Timo> the benefit of the users of this newsgroup, s/he should be
  Timo> forewarned that s/he and the system manager of his/her site is
  Timo> going to have a few very angry FTP sites moderators seriously
  Timo> discussing his/her privileges at his/her host, and the
  Timo> permissions to use our FTP sites at all.  We cannot afford to,
  Timo> and won't allow the archive site users deliberately taking
  Timo> such practices.

It's sad to see the (co-)maintainer of one of the best ftp-archives
suffer an acute stroke of megalomania... Who do you think you are,
Timo? The God of Usenet?

With garbo you provide a very useful and certainly very time consuming
service to the rest of the world. You do that very well and you do it
for free. We are all very grateful for that.

c.b.i.p is a *very* different matter. Unmoderated newsgroups
provide an open---and self-regulating---forum for the community. Self
regulating means that it is the actual users and not just one or two
self-instated policemen who decide whether the signal/noise ration is
acceptable, and if you look into some non-policed unmoderated groups
you'll see that they do that in a pretty efficient fashion.

If you want a newsgroup just for authorized upload
announcements---create it, and make the maintainers of the "major
archives" joint moderators. I definitely will subscribe to it.

On c.b.i.p.a, however, I consider Yossi's perfectly predictable
NOFLUP(?) messages as well as some of your moralistic "gentle reader"
sermons just as much (if not more) part of the noise as the few
"wanted" messages.

Anyway, posting threats as you did in above quote is in the worst
possible style---and it may backfire, too: It is pretty clear to
anyone who has been around long enough, that you need garbo just as
much to boost your ego as the community needs it to have easy access
to software. Your threats might easily prompt someone to call for a
garbo boycott. After all, there are *lots* of other good archive
sites...

Best, ...hap  (who, BTW, has newer posted a WANTED message in
               c.b.i.p.a, but doesn't mind them much, either)


--

------------------------------------------------------------------------
 hans-peter kolb                                            kolb@kub.nl
 Computational Linguistics                          kolb@htikub5.bitnet
 Tilburg University (KUB)                                P.O.Box 90 153
 The Netherlands                                     NL-5000 LE Tilburg
------------------------------------------------------------------------


-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Off charter postings... Is it all our fault?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:47:15 GMT

In article <KOLB.92Sep27122720@itkds4.kub.nl> kolb@kub.nl
(Hans-Peter Kolb) writes:
>It's sad to see the (co-)maintainer of one of the best ftp-archives
>suffer an acute stroke of megalomania... Who do you think you are,
>Timo? The God of Usenet?

Thank you for the candid feedback.  Point well taken.  Obviously a
time to reflect a serious revision of my role and output frequency.

>If you want a newsgroup just for authorized upload
>announcements---create it, and make the maintainers of the "major
>archives" joint moderators. I definitely will subscribe to it.

We have suggested that at least two times recently with little
success so far.  Making such a change requires quite an effort as
anyone interested can verify from the official newsgroup creation
and redefinition procedures explained in
 63207 Sep 5 23:13 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/doc-net/usenews.zip
The suggestion in question (posted and discussed in cbip.d) was to
replace cbip.archives by
  comp.archives.msdos    (moderated)
  comp.archives.msdos.d
One reason for not pressing for it harder was to give Yossi a chance
to try the guidance option first.

>anyone who has been around long enough, that you need garbo just as
>much to boost your ego as the community needs it to have easy access

I am not trying to deny my Garbo moderation being an extended ego
trip, but like Keith said to me we do not need the repeated
bickering in the cbip newsgroups.  (Oh yes, I plead guilty myself).
One alternative we are seriously looking into is leaving the cbip
newsgroups and substituting the cbip.archives upload announcements
by private mailing lists arrangements.  No binding decisions have
been made yet, but the software arrangements for this are being
tested since the past two weeks.  Being perceptice, you must have
noticed a downward trend in the Garbo upload announcement frequency.

Yes, I may need Garbo, but I am not at all sure if I continue to
need the UseNet newsgroups, "The God of Usenet" or not.

>to software. Your threats might easily prompt someone to call for a
>garbo boycott. After all, there are *lots* of other good archive

A Garbo boycott is actually a welcome idea.  We are being swamped
with the load on Garbo, we are way behind our schedule with the
uploads, and a breather would be more than welcome.  I'll happily
join a Garbo boycott by unsubscribing the comp.binaries.ibm.pc
discussion subgroups as a first step.  I really should be
concentrating much more on other things than providing free services
to the net.  The present bickering in the cbip newsgroups makes that
quite an inviting option.  I am sick and tired of being taken as
everyone's unassuming servant.

>sites...

Like the mirror sites of SIMTEL20 and Garbo? :-).  Seriously, sorry
for the quip I was unable to resist.  Yes, you are right also in
this.  There certainly are good alternatives, well listed in
  8741 Sep 14 08:25 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/moder15.zip

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


-From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Sep 29 07:57:50 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Rethinking the cbip hierarchy
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:55:06 GMT
Lines: 101

In article <1a8cgeINNp33@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> medrh@uniwa.uwa.edu.au
(Richard Hockey) writes:
>It appears to me from the lack of interest in this topic that most
>readers of this group are either happy with the current arrangement of
>don't care.
>Personally I am quite happy with the current arrangement. There are not

Good points, but you might have missed one factor.  The current
arrangement won't continue as such, not quite fully at least, since
one of the FTP site moderators (yours truly) won't continue posting
his upload announcements to an unmoderated cbip.archives for the
time being.

Bear with me one more time for a moment and let me give you the full
background.  This is not some kind of a sudden protest.  The fact is
that I have to think anyway about the increasing work load Garbo
moderation has been causing.  The current cbip situation and
feedback just gave the catalyst to start thinking about it.  In fact
it was not even the recent "no followups" exchange that set me
thinking about my motivations, but an earlier flame I got on posting
an upload announcement about the list of Finnish BBSes.  I can
understand that notes about on/off-topic postings can cause
controversy, but when the users start flaming the moderators for
their upload announcements, it is time to go.  I'll include the
email I refer to at the exhortation of the emailer.  I would very
much appreciate it if the supporting users wouldn't flame him,
because things would have come to head sooner or later anyway.  It
is just one isolated incident that happened to come in at a crucial
moment.

Let me also state for the record and for the supporting users'
serious consideration that I am fully in favor the cbip moderator's
"Doc's" suggestion which he made in a recent posting which starts
with
  comp.archives.msdos  (moderated)
  etc ...
 It is the most logical and the least controversial of the many good
suggestions the users have made in this discussion.  The original
idea of a comp.archives.msdos was propounded by Keith a couple of
months ago, the last time around with similar discussions.

The ball is in your court.  This will be it from me on this for the
time being.  I do hope that everything works out.  I'll reevaluate
in due time my own stand on the status for Garbo announcements when
we better know what the outcome of this round will be.  But I
promise to continue to post the weekly FAQ to cbip.archives and
cbip.wanted without letting this affect it.

For all the users who have sent in supportive notes, my best
collective compliments and thanks to you all.

With all my best wishes,  Timo

--------------------------------------------------------------------
An extract from the updated FAQ for this newsgroup:

garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/cbipafaq.zip (Frequently Asked Questions)
Updated  Tue 29-Sep-1992  6:52

2. *****
 Q: Is this newsgroup for SIMTEL20 and Garbo announcements only?

 A: Most certainly not, even if these two sites have been the most
active sources of the traffic.  All announcements from MsDos FTP
sites are welcome and solicited.
   There are many other MsDos (and Windows) FTP sites.  For a list
see garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/moder*.zip, where the "*" stands for a
growing version number.

 A2: If you are interested in the recent Garbo uploads and have not
seen any announced for a while in cbip.archives, please see the
following files:
  /pc/_files.in         (This month's raw upload list)
  /pc/pd2/news-pd2      (Selected, annotated upload announcements)
  /pc/ts/0news-ts       (All, detailed TS-upload announcements)
  /pc/pd2/infolist.txt  (On mailing list for _contributing_ users)

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

--------------------------------------------------------------------
-From: bruschke@braque.me.udel.edu (Michiel Bruschke)
Subject: Re: FI920829.ZIP list of Finnish BBSes at garbo
To: ts@uwasa.fi
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:37:44 EDT

In article <1992Aug30.210816.19452@uwasa.fi> you write:
>Sun 30-Aug-92: Obtained a current list of Finnish BBSes and their
>phone numbers.  It is available as
> 21386 Aug 28 20:30 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/bbs/fi920829.zip

Now why is this distributed to every site all over the world ???
Don't you think restricting distribution to Finland might be
a wise choice ?

Especially from somebody who is always ready to point out every body
else's inappropriate postings, I would expect better.

mike



-From: w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
Subject: Re: Rethinking the cbip hierarchy
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:13:37 GMT

ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
> medrh@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Richard Hockey) writes:
>>It appears to me from the lack of interest in this topic that most
>>readers of this group are either happy with the current arrangement of
>>don't care.
>>Personally I am quite happy with the current arrangement. There are not
>
>Good points, but you might have missed one factor.  The current
>arrangement won't continue as such, not quite fully at least, since
>one of the FTP site moderators (yours truly) won't continue posting
>his upload announcements to an unmoderated cbip.archives for the
>time being.

I agree.  There has been too much confusion about cbip.archives.  It
should never have been in the comp.binaries hierarchy in the first
place.  Also, it should have been a moderated newsgroup.

I'm very disappointed in the constant arguing about newsgroups that goes
on here on Usenet.  The final straw was the person who said he didn't
care what we thought, he was going to post his "wanted" messages to
cbip.archives anyway.  I'm going to move my SIMTEL20 upload
announcements to a one-way mailing list.

>  comp.archives.msdos  (moderated)
>  etc ...
> It is the most logical and the least controversial of the many good
>suggestions the users have made in this discussion.  The original
>idea of a comp.archives.msdos was propounded by Keith a couple of
>months ago, the last time around with similar discussions.

The fact that we're in a "binaries" group automatically excludes
cbip.archives from being carried by some sites which think that any
newsgroup with that word in its name is posting large uuencoded files.
I've sent mail to many system administrators to explain that we don't
do that, but some still won't carry us.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or      w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                         BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND



From rab@sprite.berkeley.edu  Mon Sep 28 06:42:46 EET 1992
From: rab@sprite.berkeley.edu (Robert A. Bruce)
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Subject: Simtel-20 MSDOS CDROM, Sept Edition, 640 megbytes, $25
Date: 27 Sep 1992 22:33:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 50
Status: OR

The September edition of the Simtel-20 CD-ROM is available.  It contains
the entire Simtel-20 MSDOS Archive, and the Ulowell Games Archive, for a
total of about 640 megabytes.  The snapshot date was 4 Sept.

The disc conforms to ISO-9660, which is the most common and generic format.
It will work with almost any reader.  The files are in a standard directory
structure, so no special software is required.

If you want to see what is on the disc, you can ftp the index and readme
files from cdrom.com (192.153.46.254), in the directory /pub/cdroms/simtel.
If you want to use the disc with a BBS, description files are included for
rbbs, pcboard, and opus.  There are also 4dos descript.ion files in each
subdirectory.

The price is $24.95.  S&H is $5 (per order, not per disc) for US/Can/Mex, and
$10 for overseas.  If you live in California, please add sales tax.  You can
send a check or money order, or you can order with Mastercard/Visa/AmEx.

        Bob Bruce
        Walnut Creek CDROM
        1547 Palos Verdes, Suite 260
        Walnut Creek, CA  94596

        +1 800 786-9907
        +1 510 947-5996
        +1 510 947-1644 FAX

        rab@cdrom.com
        rab@sprite.Berkeley.EDU

I also have these CDROMs:

CICA MS Windows Archive, July 92               $24.95
AB20 Amiga Archive, May 92                     $24.95
Garbo MSDOS/MAC Archive, May 92                $24.95
OS/2 Archive (hobbes and novell.com) May 92    $24.95
Gifs Galore (wuarchive + others) August 92     $24.95
Usenet sources/Simtel20 Unix-C, March 92       $39.95
X11R5/Gnu Source w/sparc binaries, Feb 92      $39.95
Sony CDROM Caddies                              $4.95

If you are the author of any of the programs included in one of these
archives, I will send you a disc for free.  Just email me your name,
address, and the full pathname of the program you wrote.

I am always looking for ideas for new discs, so if there is something you
would really like to see on CD-ROM, please let me know.

If you live in Europe, you can get your disc faster and cheaper by
buying it from one of these companies:
===================================================================
        British Software Licensing
        280 (T/L) West Princes Street
        Woodlands
        Glasgow   G4 9EU
        UNITED KINGDOM

        Graham_Robertson@vme.glasgow.ac.uk
        +44 41 339 8855 x 5021
        +44 41 339 7264
===================================================================
        WasaWare Oy
        Harri Valkama
        Palosaarentie 31
        SF-65200 VAASA
        FINLAND

        Telephone & Fax: 358 61 173365
        Email: hv@uwasa.fi
===================================================================

        -bob



From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Sep 29 12:54:29 1992
Subject: Re: TS FAQs
To: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:54:29 EET
In-Reply-To: <m0mZ0VO-0000WXC@medusa.math.fu-berlin.de>; from "Sven Guckes" at Sep 27, 92 4:25 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> Hi, Timo!
> I just replied, wrong, posted a followup to n.n.q. (see below).
> My question is - should we rely upon you to take all the load

Hi Sven,

No, it is much better to risk having the same things twice than not
at all.  Thus don't rely on my posting replies for example in
news.newusers.questions.  Act like as I would not be posting.

> or should we that have already benefited (gr?) from your FAQ Lists
> send a copy to newbies ? What's your opinion on this ?

My opinion is that you are welcome to choose freely:
 1) You are welcome to post your own views.
 2) You are welcome quote from my FAQ as long as you state the source.
 3) You can point to it.

But if you wish to give a newbie my whole FAQ, I would like you to
give it fully intact as garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfaq30.zip.

> Oh, it's in the FAQ ? Darn ...

Yes.  It says something like "please do not distribute any part of
this package separately" and "you are welcome to quote if you
indicate the source".

> Sven :)

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Sep 30 22:55:26 1992
Subject: Re: Garbo download statistics
To: shankar@ecn.purdue.edu (Shankar Ramakrishnan)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:55:26 EET
In-Reply-To: <9209301914.AA14221@ec.ecn.purdue.edu>; from "Shankar Ramakrishnan" at Sep 30, 92 2:14 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

>
> Is there any way by which I could know how many times my software
> TPREAL2 has been downloaded? I would be grateful if you did.
> Thanks.
> Shankar
>

Hello Shankar,

Our download statistics are available as
 18130 Aug  4 12:20 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload06.lst
 19844 Aug  5 11:40 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload07.lst
 19437 Sep  1 09:57 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload08.lst
113084 Dec 31  1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload91.zip
 87910 Sep  1 10:57 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/dload92.arc

  4488 Sep  7 13:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog36.lst
  4448 Sep 15 09:05 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog37.lst
  4461 Sep 21 14:00 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog38.lst
  4491 Sep 28 10:59 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog39.lst
 92573 Dec 29  1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog91.zoo
 68045 Aug 31 02:34 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/ftplog92.zoo

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Sep 30 23:07:08 1992
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:06:12 +0200
To: tgrasse@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
Subject: Re: WANTED: UNIX CUT and ED commands for DOS
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: OR

In article <1604@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> you write:
>I am looking for DOS versions of the UNIX "cut" and/or "ed" commands.
>I have looked at Simtel's SIMLIST and found over 20 POSSIBILITIES.  These
>include DOSIX30A.ZIP, DOSNX20C.ZIP, OBSKIT15.ZIP, PGRAP207.ZIP, PICNIX**.ZIP,
>RSTLKIT*.ZIP, TSUTIL*.ZIP, etc.  It would save a lot of time and network
>traffic if someone knows specifically which one(s), if any, have "cut" or
>"ed".
>--
>__________
>| Ted Grasse     NCR Corp., Bldg EMD-4, Dayton, OH  45479    (513)445-6856  |
>| E&M Dayton                               tgrasse@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM  |

Hello Ted,

You have missed out on two crucial files:

 48639 Aug 18 20:37 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/unix/0unix.dir
 16380 Sep 27 13:53 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEXTS.ZIP

They give you the contents of many of these packages.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From news.funet.fi!sunic!mcsun!uunet!uunet!bounce-back Wed Oct  7 06:37:03 EET 1992
Article: 5722 of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Xref: uwasa.fi news.announce.newgroups:2512 news.groups:45886 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives:5722 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d:16746 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted:7491 comp.os.msdos.apps:6948 comp.os.msdos.misc:7923 comp.sys.ibm.pc:23945
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc
Path: uwasa.fi!news.funet.fi!sunic!mcsun!uunet!uunet!bounce-back
From: kko@sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
Subject: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Followup-To: news.groups
Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:48:47 GMT
Message-ID: <BvpwHB.Gx5@uunet.uu.net>
Lines: 41
Status: OR

This is an official Request For Discussion concerning the
creation of the newsgroups comp.archives.msdos.announce and
comp.archives.msdos.d.

Proposed newsgroup:  comp.archives.msdos.announce

Type: moderated

Charter:
   This moderated newsgroup is for the upload announcements and
related information from MSDOS FTP sites with PD and shareware material.
The subjects include the upload announcements via the MSDOS FTP site
moderators, the MSDOS sites' periodical summaries, potential policy
statements and downtime warnings, and the MSDOS FTP site moderators'
reports about the connectivity problems with their archive sites.
Unix announcements conform only if they directly relate to transferring
or handling the MSDOS material from the MSDOS FTP sites.

Joint moderators: Keith Petersen (main moderator), Timo Salmi,
                  Harri Valkama, and Brian O'Neill
Other FTP site moderators are welcome to help in the joint moderation
of this proposed newsgroups.

----
Proposed group:  comp.archives.msdos.d

Type: unmoderated

Charter:
   This unmoderated newsgroup is the discussion subgroup of the
moderated comp.archives.msdos.announce newsgroup.  The newsgroup
covers users' reports, questions and discussions about the PD and
shareware programs at the MSDOS FTP sites, and the users' questions
about the MSDOS FTP sites such as the users' connectivity problem
reports.  The group is also for posting requests/replies concerning
where to find such programs as are stored at the MSDOS FTP sites.
The newsgroup does not cover any discussions on fully commercial
programs or programs for other operating systems like OS/2. (These
programs have UseNet newsgroups of their own).

The discussion on this proposal will take place in news.groups.


-From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Oct  7 07:01:45 EET 1992
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Message-ID: <1992Oct7.045839.6375@uwasa.fi>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:58:39 GMT
Lines: 23

In article <BvpwHB.Gx5@uunet.uu.net> kko@sfu.ca (Samuel Ko) writes:
>This is an official Request For Discussion concerning the
>creation of the newsgroups comp.archives.msdos.announce and
>comp.archives.msdos.d.

This RFD is stored for later reference in
 20607 Sep 30 23:18 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/post11.zip

It also contains some background on why the unmoderated
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives newsgroup's functions cannot continue
as they were.  The new newsgroups would cover the same functions
based on moderation in the new comp.archives.msdos.announce.

Summary: The upload announcements from the major MsDos FTP sites
would continue in a moderated newsgroup (CAMA), but they would not
continue in an unmoderated one (CBIPA) because the severe problems
keeping the said unmoderated newsgroup on topic.

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:48:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.130217.12582@zip.eecs.umich.edu> huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) writes:
>I agree there have been problems in CBIPA (frankly, I've unsubscribed
>since I can't cut through the chaff).  Question: what will happen to CBIPA?
>Is it proposed to leave it alone as-is (and thus overlap the proposed
>group in content area) or remove it?

This dilemma kept us stalled for quite awhile and delayed the RFD
before we suddenly realized that we were trying to cover too many
things at one go.  Thus the current RFD is on creating
  comp.archives.msdos.announce (moderated)
  comp.archives.msdos.d

Now this certainly does not mean that one should not discuss the
future fo comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives.  We just left out this part
from the current RFD in order not to complicate things.  If users
wish to remove CBIP.archives I think we must have a separate RFD to
that effect.  But of course we can (and should) discuss whether such
an RFD is in order.  My feeling on this is to cross that bridge when
we come to it.  That is _first_ get the new groups created, and then
return to the fate of CBIP.archives.  But in the long run I feel
that CBIP.archives should be discontinued.  It has ceased to serve
any useful function.

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



-From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:50:42 GMT

In article <nrp.718535370@reading> nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk writes:
>But seriously folks, if we start ignoring charters the net will become
>unusable because it will be impossible to predict or govern where articles
>will go.

An interesting coincidence.  That is exactly what has happened in
the unmoderated comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives and why we are having
the recent RFD for a moderated comp.archives.msdos.announce + CAM.d
to replace its functions.

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland





From tacom-emh1.army.mil!w8sdz Sat Oct 17 07:18:43 EET 1992
From: w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Subject: New mailing list for MS-DOS file upload announcements
Summary: SIMTEL20 and Garbo upload announcements
Keywords: simtel20,garbo,msdos,uploads,announcements
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 07:42:20 GMT
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives
Status: OR

MSDOS-Ann@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil is a ONE-WAY (moderated) mailing list
which is used by the Internet MS-DOS archive managers to announce new
additions to their collections.

To add yourself to the mailing list send e-mail to
listserv@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil with this command in the
body of the message:

    subscribe msdos-ann

To subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from,
such as a local redistribution list, then add that address to the
"subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-msdos-ann":

    subscribe local-msdos-ann@your.domain.net msdos-ann

SIMTEL20 and Garbo information files, back issues of the digest, and
programs to break the digest into individual messages are available.
To receive a list, send a message to listserv@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil with
this command in the body of the message:

    info

Administrative mail may be sent to msdos-ann-request@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil
but please use the mailing list server to add or delete yourself from the
list.  If you wish to unsubscribe, send mail (from the same address where
you were when you subscribed) to listserv@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil with this
command in the body of the message:

    unsubscribe msdos-ann

Send mail with the word  help  in the body of the message to get a
complete list of commands and their syntax.

This server is only for mailing lists and information files.  It will
not send program files.  Please do not include a signature because it
may confuse the server.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or      w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                         BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND




From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Oct  8 07:29:04 1992
Subject: Re: A text file uploaded to Garbo
To: davek@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (David Komatsu)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 7:29:04 EET
Cc: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama), jloup@chorus.fr (Jean-loup Gailly),
        w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen)
In-Reply-To: <CMM.0.88.718516867.davek@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>; from "David Komatsu" at Oct 7, 92 6:01 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> > > I have uploaded the following to Garbo
> > >
> > > sound10.txt        Sept/Oct issue of Sound Site Newsletter (#10)
> > >
> >
> > Hello Dave,
> >
> > That is very kind of you, and please continue to do so.  Please let
> > me tell you about one preference, however.  If it does not make a
> > decisive difference to you, we would prefer to store material in the
> > zipped format.  We try to limit the text files to informative files
> > that are possibly read by the users on line.  This clearly is not
> > such a case.
> >
> > If this is in the slightest inconvenient for you, please continue to
> > upload in ascii format.  The uploads are much more important than the
> > format.
> >
> >    All the best, Timo
>
> Timo,
>
>       The original intent of the ASCII format was so computer users
> of all types could access the files.  However the newsletter has taken
> a very PC oriented approach of late.  Being that Garbo is for PC's I
> have no problem with the file being zipped.  As long as the filename
> remains intact (ie sound10.zip).
>
> -----> Dave

Hello Dave,

Sorry for quoting in full below, but I wanted to store the thread,
because the question of ascii vs packed files is of general interest
and this gives a nice opportunity of discussing this beyond your
kind sound10.txt upload.

The pleasant thing about the current situation is that the archiving
programs are currently portable to many environments.  How many
exactly I do not know, but for example the Info-ZIP programming
group's (un)zip covers quite a few.  In fact let's ask Jean-loup
Gailly for our general information by the carbon copy of this
message.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


-From: Jean-loup Gailly <jloup@chorus.fr>
Subject: Re: A text file uploaded to Garbo
To: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 08:58:53 +0100

Timo,

> The pleasant thing about the current situation is that the archiving
> programs are currently portable to many environments.  How many
> exactly I do not know, but for example the Info-ZIP programming
> group's (un)zip covers quite a few.

>From the unzip Readme file:

  This version of UnZip has been ported to a wide array of Unix and other
  mainframes, minis, and micros (including VMS, OS/2, Minix, MSDOS, Windows,
  Amiga, and Macintosh).

The current list of explicitly supported targets in unzip is

  386i 3Bx 7300 amdahl apollo aviion bcc_dos bsd bull coherent
  convex cray cray_cc cray_v3 cyber_sgi dec dnix encore eta gcc
  gcc_dos generic generic2 gould hk68 hp hpux indigo linux minix
  mips msc_dos next osf1 p_iris pyramid rs6000 rtaix sco_dos
  sco_x286 sequent sgi stellar sun sysv sysv6300 tahoe ultrix
  vax wombat xenix xos

plus all the separate targets for OS/2, MSDOS, VMS, Mac, Amiga, Atari
and Windows NT in separate makefiles. zip and unzip have also recently been
ported to TOPS-20 to help Keith in his job of Simtel maintainer.

Jean-loup

From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Oct 10 09:15:44 1992
Subject: Reducing my free services
To: Garbo users
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 9:15:44 EET
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

Dear Garbo User,

The net has become an increasingly unrewarding place to give away
one's free services.  I have consequently unsubscribed most UseNet
newsgroups.  I am also rationing my individualized email responsed
in order to devote more time to my other activities.  I have been
putting much too much effort to giving help on the net compared to
the response one gets there in these days.

This does not mean that my support will vanish altogether.  The
gentle users are always welcome to continue to enjoy the wealth
material and information that I still keep up to date and make
readily available at Garbo MsDos FTP archives.  Furthermore you can
continue to receive the SIMTEL20 and Garbo upload announcements by
subscribing to an email mailing list.  For the details please see
garbo.uwasa.if:/pc/pd2/cbipa.zip.

Please don't be put off by this response, or the fact that it is
prerecorded to cope with the load.  I always look forward to hearing
from fellow users, and I hope that you do not hesitate to contact me
also in the future.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland



From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Oct 11 07:28:31 1992
Subject: SIMTEL20 and Garbo infolists
To: null@uwasa.fi (Garbo Infolist)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 7:28:31 EET
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

Dear Users on Garbo Infolist,

As you may know Keith (Petersen) has organized a common mailing list
for SIMTEL20 and Garbo announcements.  This one-way mailing list
replaces our announcements which used to go to the newsgroup
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives (CBIP.archives for short) on the
UseNet news.  Thus the Garbo moderators, Harri Valkama and yours
truly will be sending our announcements to Keith's list like we
would earlier have posted to the said UseNet newsgroup.

This does not change the functions of Garbo Infolist in any way.
Naturally there will be overlap just like there was with
CBIP.archives.  But there will continue to be announcements (like
our weekly statistics) which will only go to Garbo Infolist, just
like before.

If you don't have information on Keith's new list and would like to
have it, I have it stored in two places:
 25186 Oct 11 06:41 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/post11.zip
  6868 Oct 11 06:39 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/cbipafaq.zip

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Oct 12 00:37:23 1992
Subject: Re: Garbo announcements and CBIP.archives
To: cmenzel@tamsun.tamu.edu (Chris Menzel)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 0:37:23 EET
Cc: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen), hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama)
In-Reply-To: <9210111609.AA09454@tamsun.tamu.edu>; from "Chris Menzel" at Oct 11, 92 11:09 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> One more question, Timo, that I haven't been clear about.  Are you and
> Keith still planning to post a listing of monthly Garbo and SIMTEL
> uploads to comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives?  Or if not to c.b.i.p.a, to
> any other Usenet group?  I had subscribed to ms-ann out of fear that
> that would be the only way I could keep abreast of matters.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> --Chris

Hello Chris,

I cannot answer on behalf of Keith because although we cooperate
closely, we also make independent decisions by a tacit mutual
understanding.  To clarify please understand the nature of Keith's
mailing list.  Keith has arranged the list and is mailing to the
list in accordance to his own system.  But he also has kindly
provided me with a special access to send directly to the list using
my own best judgement.  That is why I call it SIMTEL20 and Garbo
mailing list in my own messages.

Consequently I will only speak for myself.  As far as CBIP.archives
is concerned, I have made one public promise, and one only.  I have
promised to continue posting my weekly FAQ for the time being.  I
have not made any other commitments, and don't want to do so now.
Perhaps later, perhaps not.  But presently I really have no
intentions to resume posting any Garbo announcements to the news.
Not to CBIP.archives, not to any other newsgroup either.  This goes
for individual Garbo upload announcements as well as for Garbo
summaries.  For the brief time that Keith's mailing list has been in
existence I have been very pleased with it.  One of the reasons is
that it has solved most of the problems I experienced in
CBIP.archives.

I have two reasons for my decision for not coming back to
CBIP.archives even with periodic Garbo summaries.  One general, one
personal.  The general reason is that based on our previous
experiences I do not believe any more that the CBIP newsgroups could
ever have been made to work without problems.  The original
arrangement of splitting the CBIP.d was prone to problems from the
very outset in 1991.  It simply was not good enough, although we
could not foresee that well enough way back then.
   My personal reason is the following.  The net has become an
increasingly unrewarding place to give away one's free services.  In
fact I have unsubcribed most of the UseNet newsgroups I used to
read.  I am hopeful that staying away will alleviate the undesirable
side-effects of having been too much exposed on the net.  I don't
need the unavoidable abuse from the small, but hard-headed minority.
I enjoy moderating at Garbo, but the strife in CBIP.archives was no
more balanced by the enjoyment of doing by posting to UseNet.  In
plain English I have lost my motivation to offer my free services on
the UseNet news to the extent I used to.  Now is a good time to try
something else, and for me Keith's list provides exactly what I was
looking for.

From your point of view this means that if you wish to continue
getting Garbo upload announcements in the next months before we know
what will happen to comp.archives.msdos.announce, you have to
subscribe to the appropriate mailing list(s), or come and look for
the material directly at Garbo as explained in my CBIP.archives FAQ.
Simple as that.

To be truthful, I haven't even decided whether I would resume
posting to CAM.announce either.  I'll only commit myself to the
degree that I will _consider_ it in a very positive light.

All the best,

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


-From: ts@uwasa.fi
Subject: Re: Garbo announcements and CBIP.archives
To: cmenzel@tamsun.tamu.edu (Chris Menzel)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 0:52:05 EET

> Timo,
>
> Thanks once again for such an informative reply.

And my thanks to you, Chris, for an opportunity to explain in full.
I stored my reply publicly in /pc/pd2/post11.zip.

> > In plain language I have lost my motivation to offer my services on the
> > UseNet news.
>
> This is a real loss to the net community, but I support you
> completely.  I am one of many who has really appreciated your
> labors, and it is just a shame that a small minority has forced you to
> this decision.  You have my thanks.

Many users have been kind enough to say the same.  I appreciate that
very much.  In a way I feel bad about the situation myself from the
point of the many supportive users like you, Chris.  But I haven't
withdrawn completely.  The services are still there for the
appreciative users through the mailing list(s) and the informative
material at Garbo.  You are very welcome to it.

> --Chris


   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Oct 14 09:50:36 1992
Subject: On duplicate announcements
To: null@uwasa.fi (Combined SIMTEL20 & Garbo announcement list)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 9:50:36 EET
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

A general word to the gentle users on the combined SIMTEL20 and
Garbo announcements lists.  There is, and always will be overlap in
the SIMTEL20 and Garbo upload announcements.  There are several
reasons for this:
  1. There is no way we can afford the time to coordinate in full.
  2. Many utilities are uploaded simultaneously by the authors to
     both the sites.
  3. Some of the Garbo announcements are at the same time reviews of
     the utilities that were first uploaded to SIMTEL20.
My announcement below on formnu22.zip serves as an example of the
third category.

In fact, the extra load caused by the double announcements should
not be a problem at all now that Keith obviously has the much hoped
for digest system working for our combined announcements list.

Wed 14-Oct-92: Obtained from SIMTEL20:
/pc/format
formnu22.zip    A simple shell for running the format command.
  This is an example of a somewhat unfinished product which might
  have potential. Among the problems I noticed are the following.
  The program does not check for the existence of the format.com.
  The program leaves the screen attributes changed which always is a
  bad practice. It asks the user about his PC's configuration while
  the more advanced programs do that by themselves usually directly
  from the BIOS. Hopefully the author will look into these aspects
  for the next releases.

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Oct 16 08:58:16 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: The collapse of CBIP(.d,.archives) (Was Re: Floating ...)
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:37:33 GMT
Lines: 44
Status: OR

In article <1992Oct15.211224.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> hank@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>These requests really belong in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted. I've noticed that
>the experts have somewhat disappeared from these groups, apparently in
>anticipation of the new moderated group (see news.groups).

Whether or not I am one, I just can't help pointing out the
following fact to those users that were so disgruntled about the
guidance given in the CBIP newsgroups on where to post by mainly
Joseph Gil.  Take now a look at the current state of the CBIP
newsgroups after the guidance (what many called policing) was
withdrawn.  All the difference of the CBIP discussion subgroups (.d
.wanted .archives) has disappeared, and the texture of CBIP.archives
has virtually collapsed.  It did not even take more than a couple of
weeks!

Those users telling us to clear off (often to f*** off, actually)
indicating that they will post wherever, whenever, and whatever they
want, and those who expounded that UseNet should be an anarchy, and
that no guidance was necessary, have won out.  We who tried to keep
a semblance of organization in the CBIP newsgroups humbly concede
our defeat.  To these vocal, non-conforming, sometimes abusive users
I just say that I hope that you are thoroughly enjoying what you
managed to do to the CBIP newsgroups, and thus to the nice majority
of the CBIP users.  Congratulations.  Have fun with your newly won
freedom.

A note to the majority of supportive users.  Samuel Ko's official
RFD for
  comp.archives.msdos.announce  (moderated)
  comp.archives.msdos.d
can be found in garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/post11.zip.

For those who wish to continue have the services that were
forthcoming in CBIP.archives before it in effect broke down, see the
same file for Keith Petersen's announcement of a moderated one-way
emailing list for MsDos FTP sites' upload announcements.

All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Oct 18 19:27:57 EET 1992
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: WANTED: good SHAREWARE progs.
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1992 16:25:57 GMT
Lines: 19
Status: OR

In article <4mtpspg@lynx.unm.edu> wlaite@hydra.unm.edu (Winter Laite LAW) writes:
>Is there an ftp site with recent best-selling shareware products?

No, for that you would need PC-SIG CD-ROM.  However, part of the top
ten programs like skyglobe and scanv feature on the major MsDos FTP
sites like SIMTEL20 and Garbo.  But since games usually feature high
on the best sellers' statistics, you'll have to look elsewhere if
you literally mean the best-selling SW.  Take a look at the
Shareware Magazine.

But if you mean good SW programs in general then see
  6016 May 19 07:16 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/pd2/bestpr24.zip
 26532 Oct  4 12:18 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/filelist/useful18.zip

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Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Oct 20 08:12:36 1992
Message-Id: <9210200612.AA04103@uwasa.fi>
Subject: Re: Format of digest summary
To: Disgruntled
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 8:12:21 EET
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

> Dave ***** wrote (about the msdos-ann list format):
> > Can I make a suggestion (that is, a thinly veiled complaint)?  I find
> > the centered summary lines very hard to read quickly.  I would much
> > prefer a left-justified list w/ the file names on the left (when
> > applicable) and a fixed column, left-justified description field or
> > something similar:

> > Today's Topics:
> > 1PASS155.ZIP - diskcopy

> Dave, because there is a wide variation between the Subject line headers
> used by Timo, Harri and I it will not be possible to format the digest
> subject summary the way you suggest.  The best I can do is something

> Keith

The whole thing is unfortunately even more compicated than this,
Dave.  Many of the upload announcements' headers are terribly
untidy, like

"Uploaded to incoming"
"Re: your mail"

etc, etc

A fact of life is that Harri and I simply do not have the time to
edit the errant uploaders' headers.  No way!  If this is what they
send in, this is what goes out from Garbo.  Thus there is no
possibility of having a neat

Program - description
Program - description
Program - description
Program - description

Sorry, but these are the facts of life.  Most of the users' good and
welcome suggestions like yours must unfortunately be answered with a
"Give us the monetary resources (in plain English, pay us for our
services), and then we can try to do something about it".

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


