Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:25:58 GMT
From: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming
Subject: RESULT: comp.software.shareware.* moderated all groups fail

                                RESULT
    moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce fails 119:27
     moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors fails 108:30
      moderated group comp.software.shareware.users fails 110:32

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
groups may not be voted on again for six months.

Newsgroups lines:
comp.software.shareware.announce        Shareware software announcements. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware software. (Moderated)
comp.software.shareware.users   Use of shareware software. (Moderated)

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>

RATIONALE: all groups

Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for
evaluation purposes.  After the expiration of a specified evaluation
period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a
fee to the author.  The popularity of shareware as a method of
distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet
has widened.  Although other types of software are also distributed
over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and
commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more
shareware is available online than any other category of software.

In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are
no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it.
The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub-
hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups
are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.

A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups
is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their
relegation to the alt hierarchy.  Another problem with the groups is
the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive,
including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the
registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in
their programs.  Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted
between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both
groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here.

It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of
the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated.
It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in
the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to
alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling
outside the group's charter.  Likewise, the proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving
similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and
alt.comp.shareware.programmer.  The proposed newsgroup
comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum
for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources.
Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the
alt.comp.shareware.* groups.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources.
Without limitation, appropriate topics may include:

  Announcements of new shareware releases.
  Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
  Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
  credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or
services.  Announcements relating to other forms of software such as
freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this
newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup and other
comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

  Development issues.
  Programming issues.
  Marketing techniques.
  Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users

This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
use of shareware software.  Without limitation, acceptable postings
may relate to:

  Support questions.
  Bugs, fixes and workarounds.
  Usage tips.
  Shareware reviews and comparisons.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable.  Postings relating solely to other
forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not
appropriate for this newsgroup.  Crossposting between this newsgroup
and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly
discouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be
conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation.  Articles
by new authors must be approved by the human moderator.  Subsequent
articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the
robomoderator, so long as they are not:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.

Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be
returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection.
No appeal process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users

Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm <terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au>
Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au
Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au

Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be
conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject
postings that are:

  Binary files.
  Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups.
  Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter.
  Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys.

The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may
be required.  The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by
a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient.

Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to
the author along with an explanation of the rejection.  No appeal
process is proposed.

END MODERATOR INFO.

comp.software.shareware.* moderated Final Vote Ack


                                          comp.software.shareware.users -----+
                                        comp.software.shareware.authors ----+|
                                       comp.software.shareware.announce ---+||
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ahti@mail1.i1.net                                       Ahti Eric Rovainen YYY
aivasyuk@clark.net                                         Anatoly Ivasyuk YYY
andyk@sentient-sys.com                                           Andy Kish YYY
arielle@taronga.com                                     Stephanie da Silva YYY
aryehs@touro.edu                                       Aryeh L. Silverberg YYY
atekant@locutuscodeware.com                                   Argun Tekant YYY
bannist7@cs.man.ac.uk                                        Tim Bannister YNY
barry.salter@pemail.net                                       Barry Salter YYY
bluefthr@earthlink.net                                             J Perez YYY
bobc@oz.net                                                      Bob Clark YYY
booda@datasync.com                                         Martin H. Booda NNN
bwilliam@u.washington.edu                                 Barbara Williams YYY
calabres@chass.utoronto.ca                                  Tony Calabrese YYY
ch865@freenet.carleton.ca                                   Yves Pelletier YYY
chris.hart@poboxes.com                                                     YYY
chris@aimnet.net                               Christopher Robin Zimmerman Y-Y
chris@chrism.demon.co.uk                                    Chris Marriott YYY
chriseb@nortel.ca                                           Chris Ebenezer NYN
chuckhoffmann@mindspring.com                                Chuck Hoffmann YYY
curtis_whalen@hotmail.com                           Curtis [Jewell] Whalen YYY
d@idiom.com                                                              d NNN
dan.langille@dvl.co.nz                                        Dan Langille YYY
dave@musical.demon.co.uk                                       Dave Webber YYY
davemac@atlantic.oaktree.co.uk                             David McCormack YYY
daveydee@nospam.demon.co.uk                                dave {stejonda} YYY
David.Robinson@Eng.Sun.COM                                  David Robinson NNN
dballard@cs.com                                                Don Ballard YYY
ddf90695@dialip.sdn.dk                               Hans-Henrik T. Ohlsen YYY
deb@nospam.tink.com                                                        YYY
djoh003@cs.auckland.ac.nz                               Daniel Peter Johns Y-Y
dmyobe@baobab.cszim.co.zw                                   Douglas M Yobe YYY
donmoe@ix.netcom.nospam.com                                        Don Moe YYY
doren@slonet.org                                           Doren Rosenthal NNN
dougob@ix.netcom.com                                          Doug O'Brien YNN
eggert@twinsun.com                                             Paul Eggert NNN
Ekkehard.Uthke@gmx.de                                       Ekkehard Uthke YYY
esand@azstarnet.com                                          Eric Sandrich YYY
Flavio.Antonioli@flashnet.it                              Flavio Antonioli YYY
franckey@imaginet.fr                                      Franckey Rougane YYY
fred@eatel.net                                        Frederick J. Barnett YYY
fullerm@SpamKiller-Remove.colteng.com                    Mike E. Fullerton YYY
fxms211@RZ.uni-frankfurt.de                                  Oliver Breuer YYY
gavan@magna.com.au                                         Gavan Schneider YYY
gbacon@adtran.com                                               Greg Bacon NNN
geisler@chad.ece.nwu.edu                                  Jonathan Geisler Y--
grumpy@en.com                                                 Seymour Dupa YYY
guymacon@deltanet.com                                            Guy Macon ---
gwailo@globalnet.co.uk                                        CHRIS BOLTON YYY
hermannrg@erols.com                                              hermannrg YYY
hfung@lerami.lerctr.org                                          Hank Fung YNN
hkantola@ling.helsinki.fi                                   Heikki Kantola NNN
hmueller@maxsolns.com                                        Harry Mueller YYY
hughdohi@flashemail.com                                          Hugh Dohi NNN
irina@rempt.xs2all.nl                                          Irina Rempt YYY
jasmine@fl.net.au                                           Jasmine Taylor YYY
jcw@meta4.com                                          Jean-Claude Wippler YYY
jeffery.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca                               Jeffery D. Hunt NNN
jgardner@collaw.edu.au                                       James Gardner YYY
jhouchin@texoma.net                                         Jimmie Houchin YYY
jimrtex@pipeline.com                                             Jim Riley NNN
jkiernan@julian.uwo.ca                                       J. A. Kiernan YYY
jmccaul@iatcmail.ed.ray.com                                Joseph McCauley YYY
JonTveten@Bigpond.com                                           Jon Tveten YYY
jorj@wsii.com                                                Jorj Strumolo YYY
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                     J. Porter Clark YYY
jpoggen@freenet.columbus.oh.us                                J Poggenburg Y-Y
js@null.net                                                    James Sears Y--
jsuchin@cgi.com                                               Jenny Suchin Y-Y
junga@leo.org                                                   Achim Jung YYY
kimdv@best.com                                                Kim DeVaughn YYY
Kjell.Arne@online.no                                      Kjell Arne Olsen YYY
kkasemsa@th.oracle.com                                 Khantipol Kasemsant YYY
kkimes@lucent.com                                                Kit Kimes YYY
kmorgan@polarnet.com                                       Kathy I. Morgan YYY
kris@aimless.demon.co.uk                    Chris 'The Coca Cola Kid' Keen YYY
krom@cgi.com                                                 Kevin M. Krom YYY
leefi@halcyon.com                                               Lee Fisher YYY
list-votes@dream.hb.north.de                              Martin Schr"oder Y--
luriep@tiac.net                                                 pete lurie YYY
marc.scheuner@berner.ch                                                    YYY
mark@techop.co.uk                                            Mark Williams YYY
matt@brain.mics.net                                            Matt Miller YYY
matthew_stanton@lakeside.sea.wa.us                      Matthew Stanton,,, YYY
MauriceV@bellsouth.net                                     Maurice Valmont YYY
mb@doh.health.nsw.gov.au                                  Michael Bednarek YYY
mbuto@freemail.co.za                                                       NNN
meregalli@cesi.it                                  Alberto Meregalli (DIF) YYY
Mick.Brown@super.zippo.com                                      Mick Brown YYY
mrm@lerami.lerctr.org                                          Ray Mullins YYY
msoysal@mistik.express.net                             Mustafa Soysal MS57 NNN
mtettmar@mjtnet.com                                         Marcus Tettmar YYY
nat@nataa.fr.eu.org                                        Nat Makarevitch YYY
ndallen@interlog.com                                           Nigel Allen YYY
nick@cimio.co.uk                                             Nick Waterman YYY
nl11891@pop3.worldaccess.nl                                 Robert Joosten YYN
olav@viking.mv.com                                         Olav Nieuwejaar NNN
oodie@hotmail.com                                                     Andy YYY
p.h.u.s.t.a.v.a@i.n.l.i.n.k.c.o.m                             Paul Hustava NYY
pan@syix.com                                                           Pan NNN
patl@cag.lcs.mit.edu                                   Patrick J. LoPresti NNN
pfund3@uni2a.unige.ch                                         Daniel Pfund YYY
RB5@acpub.duke.edu                                             Rob Beckers NYN
red@rahul.net                                                          Red NNN
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                         Richard H. Miller NNN
robnews@nospam.demon.co.uk                                   Rob Alexander YYY
robtoc@dorsai.org                                       Robert E. O'Connor YYY
roesingere@indy.tce.com                                   Eric G Roesinger YYY
rossde@acm.org                                                  David Ross N-N
roussin@genesis8.frmug.fr.net                             EMMANUEL ROUSSIN YYY
sal@panix.com                                             Salvatore Denaro YYY
santoro@nio.dec.com                                     Stefano M. Santoro YYY
scoop@indy.net                                               Bob Ostrander YYY
scott@wwwebworld.com                                           Scott Smith YNY
seelhoff@sophsoft.com                                       Gregg Seelhoff YYY
selkowtz@u.washington.edu                                Jason T Selkowitz YYY
sgwm@maitreya.demon.co.uk                                             sgwm NNN
shap.wolf@*spamguard*.asu.edu                                 Shapard Wolf YYY
simondi@cknow.com                                                          YYY
simpson@netcom.com                                             Bob Simpson YYY
slam@clark.net                                           Michael Glicksman YYN
Spanner@larrrrrd.demon.co.uk                                   Chris Hayes YNY
stainles@bga.com                                              Dwight Brown NNN
steiners@primenet.com                                    Jason and Heather NNN
stu@valinor.mythical.com                                      Stu Labovitz YYN
taner@cadlab.tu-berlin.de                                         H. Taner YYY
techind@ilcnet.com                                                         YYY
tenzil@io.com                                                  James Kiley YYY
terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au                               Jeremy Malcolm YYY
tfl@psp.co.uk                                                   Thomas Lee YYY
tlawson@amug.org                                            Todd C. Lawson YNN
tony@alberich.demon.co.uk                                   Tony Rawlinson YYY
ts@UWasa.Fi                                                     Timo Salmi YYY
upson@cableol.co.uk                                             Nick Upson YYY
victor@ivi.ugatu.ac.ru                                     Victor Ishikeev YYY
vpdura@hiwaay.net                                                 Vic Dura YYY
w2jc@BellAtlantic.net                                           Jim Cooper YYY
wakelyn@pinn.net                                               Tom Wakelyn NNN
WellsCom@aol.com                                                           YYY
westonj@ucs.orst.edu                                           Jeff Weston YNY
wheelgat@c-zone.net                                             Steve King YYY
wisanr@norwich.net                                              Dick Wisan ---
wjohn.nospam@fix.net                                         Wolfgang John YYY
wmcclain@salamander.com                                       Bill McClain YYY
wptoth@aol.com                                                      Wptoth YY-
yan@storm.ca                                             Yves Bellefeuille NNN
yavuz.batmaz@mail.isbank.com.tr                               Yavuz Batmaz YYY
young@botn.canterbury.ac.nz                                   Graeme Young YYY
zamfir@nettaxi.com                                                  Zamfir NNN


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