A List Member Replies: I tried the Sportsman's Guide .45 revolver inserts which enabled use of .22 LR in the S&W 625 and M1917 military revolvers and promptly sent them back for a refund. Keyholes at 7 yards and missed my basement bullet trap. Off to the hardware store for a can of spackle! The .32 ACP subcaliber adapters for .30 cal. rifles work OK only for rimmed cases and sloppy milsurp chambers. I use them with good results in my .303 British and 7.62x54R. They shoot to point of aim at 25 yards indoors with the battlesight set to 500 yards. Groups about an inch at 25 yards with ordinary hardball, almost silent. Results in .308 Win. and .30-'06 no good because of poor dimensional control. If you have one of these be damned sure to check diameters against max. cartridge prints! The '06 insert got stuck in my Remington 03A3, fortunately I was able to coax it out by inserting a narrow knife blade between the extractor and the receiver ring, to hold the extractor claw on the rim, to keep it from popping off while I tapped the bolt open and back with a dead-blow hammer. A friend who tried a .308 adapter in his Remington 700 was less fortunate, as the little spring extractor wasn't at all up to the job. Ending up being an expensive trip to the gunsmith to pull the barrel to get the thing out. If you have multiple rifles for rimmed cases recommend getting a separate adapter for each rifle and marking it with an electric pencil with rifle serial no. The adapters are mild steel and with continued use upset slightly to conform to the rifle chamber. (This is an extremely reliable source, with experience in the firearm industry and on the NRA technical staff. I was intrigued at the reference to the rim on the .32 ACP cartridge. The nominal diameter at base of the case is 0.358", compared to 0.338" at the web area, just forward of the extractor groove, I had always thought that this was considered a rimless case; perhaps it is more correctly called "semi-rimmed," like the .38 Super, which differs in those dimension by 0.022".) --- OSHA vs. the RKBA: Second Amendment advocates are expressing alarm that the most significant attack on gun rights across the United States in years soon could come in the form of a workplace "safety" regulation under President Obama's nominee to run the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Obama has nominated David Michaels, a George Washington University professor and the chief of the Project on Scientific Knowledge and Public Policy, which reportedly partially is funded by George Soros. "The controversial OSHA nominee and left-leaning public health advocate also seems to have strong views on firearms," wrote Walter Olson at Overlawyered.com. "That's by no means irrelevant to the agenda of an agency like OSHA, because once you start viewing private gun ownership as a public health menace, it begins to seem logical to use the powers of government to urge or even require employers to forbid workers from possessing guns on company premises, up to and including parking lots, ostensibly for the protection of co-workers." ... Only two years ago, Michaels condemned proposals in Georgia and Florida that would have allowed workers to carry guns to and from their places of work for protection... (It looks as though we may be entering the era of the resurgence of the Tenth Amendment.) http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115720 --- CCRKBA vs. Daley, Clinton: Anti-gun Chicago Mayor Richard Daley has reached a new low in his attempt to blame the Fort Hood massacre on firearms, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today. "Mayor Daley is deplorably capitalizing on the outrage at Fort Hood to push his gun prohibition agenda," said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. "This is the height of moral bankruptcy from a man whose administration was sued Wednesday morning by the Chicago inspector general over apparent interference with an investigation into possible wrongdoing by current and former city employees." On Monday, Daley reacted to the Fort Hood shooting by telling reporters, "Unfortunately, America loves Guns. We love guns to a point where that, uh, we see devastation on a daily basis. You don't blame a group." "You don't blame guns, either," Gottlieb fired back. "You hold the perpetrator responsible for his crime, not the instruments he used. Would Daley blame cars for the highway carnage created by drunk drivers? "Perhaps the real culprit here," he continued, "is former President Bill Clinton. The Washington Times revealed this morning that after he took office in 1993, the Army, under Clinton, instituted a ban on the carrying of firearms by military personnel on their bases. As a result, soldiers have been disarmed and left vulnerable to this kind of attack. Using Daley's logic, he should blame Clinton for the Fort Hood massacre. That makes more sense than blaming guns... http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20091111006019&newsLang=en http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Fort-Hood-aftermath-Daley-blames-guns-WA-Times-blames-Clinton --- More Chicago-Based BS: The headline is hysterical enough. From "reporter" Kim Vatis, NBC Chicago: "City Sees Assault Weapons Increase on Streets; ATF: Use of heavy caliber, military-style weapons up 17 percent this year." Note the question "Up over what?" is never raised, let alone answered. But to paraphrase the religious bumper sticker, ATF said it, I believe it, that settles it. And we all know how trustworthy they are. Just ask their whistle-blowers. But say we can establish an objective truth to the claim. The question then becomes "So what?" This entire story revolves around the most prohibitive gun laws in the country being ignored. Pointing out ignorance and manipulation in this story is easy - it's not a question of where to start - it's a question of when to stop... http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Is-NBC-Chicago-deceptive-or-incompetent-in-their-assault-weapon-hit-piece ...What I find particularly interesting about the editorial, though, is what is said by Violence Policy Center (VPC) legislative director Kristen Rand. "For Ms. Rand and other gun control advocates, one of the worst aspects of a victory by those who mounted McDonald v. Chicago would be that it would remove what she called ;the most effective measures to prevent handgun violence.'" Um . . . "most effective"? The murder capital of the U.S. has the "most effective measures to prevent handgun violence"? ...In other words, Ms. Rand is upset about the possibility of the Supreme Court using the Constitution - rather than a radical agenda of forcible citizen disarmament - as its guide. Kinda like the folks discussed here, she would seem to have issues with these guys. From this, I draw two conclusions. First, the VPC is effectively acknowledging that Chicago's handgun ban is unconstitutional. Second, the VPC believes its agenda should trump the Constitution. I'll allow that honorable people can disagree about the meaning of the Constitution, but people who know their agenda is unconstitutional - and pursue it anyway - sound an awful lot like domestic enemies, to me. http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Violence-Policy-Center-worries-that-Supreme-Court-will-heed-the-Constitution --- Anti-RKBA Miami Police Chief Resigns: Miami's police chief, a nationally recognized leader dubbed "America's Best Cop" by Esquire magazine, stepped down as one of his critics - the city's new mayor - was sworn into office. Chief John F. Timoney, who was previously top cop in Philadelphia, said he had fulfilled his mission by reducing crime and lowered officer-involved shootings. Miami's new mayor, Tomas Regalado, said Wednesday he instructed the city manager to ask the chief to step down, saying crime was rising and officer morale was low...Timoney was chief in Philadelphia from 1998 to 2002. Before that, he rose through the ranks of the New York Police Department, eventually becoming second-in-command... Timoney also rankled some in 2007, when it was discovered that he drove - yet failed to disclose receipt of - a Lexus SUV from a local auto dealer. (Timoney has repeatedly lent his badge to prohibitionist organizations to call for renewed bans on private ownership of "assault weapons.") http://www.newsmax.com/politics/us_miami_chief_resigns/2009/11/11/285044.html --- Too Easy to Exercise a Fundamental Right?: For the safety of the students and faculty at Virginia Tech, I hope Ken Stanton is wrong in his prediction that our state legislature will pass legislation this January that will force universities to allow concealed handguns on campus (CT, "Concealed Carry is Coming to Virginia Campuses," Nov. 8). After a new law passed earlier this year allowing Virginia residents to satisfy the "training" requirement for a concealed carry permit by taking an online course, I was curious to see how easy it is to obtain a permit online. My first step was to complete an online training course from the Concealed Carry Institute. Let it be clear that I have never touched a gun, never mind fired one. The closest that I have ever been to a gun is when being under attack in Norris Hall on April 16, 2007. The "training" I received was simply to watch a 30-minute instructional video on handgun safety and to successfully answer 15 out of the 20 questions on the multiple-choice test. The following is a question that actually appeared on my test... (States that do not require training to receive a carry permit do not show significantly different statistics from those that do and Virginia does not require a permit for open carry.) http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/14652/concealed-carry-permits-are-too-easily-obtained --- Ohio Committee Hears Restaurant-Carry Bill: Buckeye Firearms Association leader Linda Walker was in attendance Thursday, November 5, as State Representatives Danny R. Bubp (R-West Union) and Jarrod B. Martin (R-Beavercreek) gave sponsor testimony in support of House Bill 203 before the Public Safety and Homeland Security Committee. The bill would allow Ohioans who possess a concealed carry permit to go into restaurants with a liquor license, so long as the person carrying the weapon is not consuming alcohol. Under current law, a concealed carry licensee wanting to patronize a restaurant that serves alcohol must secure his firearm in his vehicle, leaving the weapon vulnerable to theft... http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6976 --- Pittsburgh Airport Gun Ban Unenforceable: Alaska resident Dave Ross' flight into Pittsburgh Airport for a short visit to the Keystone State last July was uneventful - until, that is, he was arrested for retrieving his sidearm from checked baggage and holstering up on the way out of the airport. Mr. Ross told the Examiner.com that he tried to explain to Magistrate Judge Anthony Saveikis that Allegheny County's ordinance banning gun carry at the airport was "preempted by Section 6120 of the Pennsylvania Uniform Firearms Act," but Saveikis found him guilty anyway. Ross then hired Pennsylvania attorney J. Michael McCormick to appeal his conviction to the court of common pleas. After Mr. McCormick filed this briefing with the court, the District Attorney's office for Allegheny County conceded that the County's ordinance was not legally enforceable. As a result, Judge Robert C. Gallo entered a judgment of "not guilty" in the case according to court records... http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d11-DA-says-Pittsburgh-airport-gun-ban-not-enforceable --- Dick's Sporting Goods Sees the Light: Dick's Sporting Goods informed GeorgiaCarry.Org that it permits lawfully carried handguns in its stores in Georgia, so long as the person carrying the handgun is abiding by state law. This issue arose when the President of GeorgiaCarry.Org, more precisely, me, was kicked out of the Fayetteville, Georgia store because of a lawfully carried H&K USP 45 pistol... We were stopped halfway into the store, however, by a young man who asked me to put my pistol back in my truck, as it was "policy" that the store did not permit the lawful carry of firearms. Disappointed, I informed him that I would not leave my pistol in my automobile. Privately, I had a very good reason, as the last time I had left my handguns behind, they had both been stolen by a dangerous felon with a history of aggravated assault. The guns were recovered, but after this theft, I resolved never to leave them behind in the truck again. I decided that if a location did not allow me to carry, I would not go there, making exception only for court and for the Georgia General Assembly, where I would relentlessly lobby for the elimination of "gun free zone" locations that require the risk of gun thefts from vehicles... http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d10-Dicks-Sporting-Goods-permits-carry-in-Georgia-stores?cid=exrss-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner --- VCDL Continues the Fight: Yesterday 24 VCDL members showed up at the Portsmouth City Hall to support VCDL urging the Mayor to drop his membership in the disgraceful Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG) - a front for generic gun control run by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. The first problem we had was a requirement that you sign in and show photo ID. Board member John Fenter is working to get that fixed. Under the Freedom of Information Act they cannot turn someone away from a public meeting because they didn't bring any ID. John and I went up to the City Hall chambers to work that issue, only to be told by a police officer that guns were not allowed in City Hall chambers! WHAT?!?!?!! My reaction was to break into laughter and to tell John that this would be one helluva law suit. We explained 15.2-915 to the officer... http://www.ammoland.com/2009/11/11/vcdl-protests-va-mayors-membership-in-the-anti-gun-group-mayors-against-illegal-guns/ --- New York Colored-Gun Ordinance in Abeyance: The Nassau County local law banning the possession of handguns mislabeled "deceptively colored" remains on hold indefinitely pending the outcome of a legal challenge by gun-rights activists. In June 2008, Nassau passed Local Law #5, criminalizing the possession and sale of "deceptively colored handguns" as a supposed danger to law enforcement. The law originally banned all handguns except for those that are "black, grey, silver, steel, nickel or army green." It does not grandfather currently owned guns and mandates that gun owners surrender all banned guns for destruction without any compensation, and with no opportunity to sell them outside the county. Three New York State pistol licensees - Alan Chwick of Freeport, Edward Botsch of Franklin Square, and Thomas Fess of Rochester - filed an action on July 23rd in Nassau Supreme Court (Index #: 013564/2008) to challenge the laws. The proceeding was filed pro se, with the assistance of a New York gun-rights activist and attorney... http://www.ammoland.com/2009/11/11/lawsuit-derails-nassau-ny-handgun-ban/ --- California DOJ Closes Gun Store: ...One of my local preferred gun stores was shut down by DOJ this week. It was like a raid - they came in, shut the doors, took the entire inventory of firearms (including a least a hundred plus customer consigned firearms). There is a notice posted on the door that says everything was seized as evidence of a crime and will not be returned until the case is resolved. If you had guns consigned to the store they took them and will "return" them after the case is resolved. My guess is that most will never be returned. Under the kalifornia basic registration law the guns are required to be registered and the cops / authorities are under no obligation to return unregistered firearms. If you had an old or 2nd party gun that was not registered to you and you consigned it to the store such that it was taken in the confiscation - you will never be able to "prove" ownership to the DOJ satisfaction and your gun will "probably" be destroyed. The worst part is people that came in and purchased guns in the last 10 days, paid cash and have had everything disappear. (I worked in the store to help out about a week ago and I sold 2 Sig 220's - one to a person in the service - they will come back this week and find their money gone, their guns not deliverable and the store closed)... http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Contra-Costa-Collectible-Firearms-closed-by-CA-DOJ --- Teaching Your Daughters to Hunt: ...As hunters, it is with great anticipation that we teach our children the craft of hunting. Hunting has long been a part of our daughters' lives. Both girls have accompanied my husband and I on hunts as long as we can remember. More than once did my husband and I glance at each other over the heads of two blonde-headed girls as their inability to sit quietly busted our stalks. More than once did we consider staking them to anthills when they no longer had the interest in commencing forward movement. More than once did we consider restricting all fluid intake as it was inevitable that one (or both) of them would need to go to the bathroom at the most inopportune time. More than once did we swear we would never take them hunting again...ever. Why did we think we wanted to do this? Would they ever learn to love hunting as much as we do? ... http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34318 --- From AzCDL: Interested in volunteering? Volunteers who work at the AzCDL table for a few hours get into gun shows FREE! To volunteer for Phoenix gun shows, contact John: john.rosado@AzCDL.org . To volunteer for Tucson gun shows, contact Tom: tom.woodrow@AzCDL.org . The biggest gun show of the year will be at the Arizona State Fairgrounds for 3 days on December 4, 5 & 6, 2009. AzCDL will be staffing two tables at this show. To volunteer, contact John: john.rosado@AzCDL.org . As an added bonus, we reserved a third table in the Small Arms Review (SAR) building for AzCDL gun show volunteers who have items they would like to sell. If you are volunteering and want to take advantage of the "members only" table, please contact Duke: duke.schechter@AzCDL.org . Following the Phoenix gun show are two Tucson area shows: December 12 & 13, 2009 at the Pima County Fairgrounds (Arizona Arms Association). December 19 & 20, 2009 at the Tucson Expo Center (McMann's Roadrunner). To volunteer for these Tucson gun shows, contact Tom: tom.woodrow@AzCDL.org . December is your last chance to get that "must have for Christmas" firearm, accessory or hard to get ammo. Volunteer to help AzCDL spread the word and you'll have a few more dollars in your pocket because AzCDL table volunteers get in the gun show for free! If you can spare a few hours we would deeply appreciate your help. AzCDL's phenomenal growth is primarily because of the hard work of our volunteers. Gun shows provide a great opportunity to educate other gun owners about our hard won successes: http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html . If your AzCDL membership is coming up for renewal, you'll save $10 if you renew at a gun show! It's like getting paid to attend the show! Sustaining memberships also get a FREE AzCDL T-Shirt. Not a member? Not a problem! You can join AzCDL at these gun shows. These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization. Join today! http://www.azcdl.org/html/join_us_.html AzCDL - Protecting Your Freedom http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html Copyright © 2009 Arizona Citizens Defense League, Inc., all rights reserved. -- Stephen P. Wenger, KE7QBY Firearm safety - It's a matter for education, not legislation. The tactics and skills to use a firearm in self-defense don't come naturally with the right to keep and bear arms. http://www.spw-duf.info .