New (and Free!) Home Assistant Remote Access - Looking For Beta Testers reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 20:46 I'm looking for beta testers for a new project I'm working on to provide free, secure, and private remote access to Home Assistant! It's called [Homeway.io](https://homeway.io/?source=reddit_selfhost)! I want to put this upfront. I know privacy and security are essential to this subreddit, and they're very important to me as well. **Homeway has a very strong** [privacy](https://learn.homeway.io/privacy/) **and** [security](https://learn.homeway.io/security) **commitment; we will never sell, store, or give away your data.** Homeway tunnels your data from your browser to your Home Assistant and back, then it's deleted. All of your data stays locally in your home, I'm just building a secure way to access it. I have written an [extensive page describing our system security](https://learn.homeway.io/security); I would like feedback and scrutiny! There are other remote access solutions, but I'm trying to build an easy-as-possible-to-use system that requires no setup, so there's no way to misconfigure the system and expose it to the public internet. I have worked in software and security for 10 years, so I have seen the user benefits of systems that are drop-dead easy to set up and have seen the horrors of security issues resulting from poor attention to security. I want the service to be free so that as many people can secure their Home Assistant remote access. However, the service does cost money to operate, so users can opt into an option supporter role for $2.49/month, which helps fund the project. If you get the supporter role, you get higher limits on your data usage as a thank-you. **I'm looking for beta testers to run the project through its paces and send feedback**. I'm an open book and would love to communicate with anyone on their thoughts, concerns, bugs, or whatever. For this initial set of beta testers, if you contribute feedback, as a thank you, **I will give all beta testers "Supporter Perks" for life, essentially meaning unlimited free remote access forever.** If you're interested, [follow this link to get set up in about 20 seconds](https://homeway.io/getstarted?source=reddit_selfhost). All you have to do is install the Homeway add-on and link your account. I'm excited to get some users into my project and see what you all think! I'm more than happy to answer any questions, fire away! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EndlessHiway · 2023-12-18 21:02 No thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 21:04 Honest feedback! I appreciate it! By no means is this remote access solution for everyone. If you have the means to set up and maintain a different system, like a TailScale or a VPN, those are great solutions. I'm trying to build a system for those who can't so everyone can have secure remote access! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zezimeme · 2023-12-18 21:36 what is the difference between this and exposing my home assistant with ssl behind a reverse proxy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- imacleopard · 2023-12-18 21:51 From what I'm able to tell, ease of configuration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craftkorb · 2023-12-18 21:59 Why not support Nabu Casa instead? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- redditpad · 2023-12-18 21:59 Can I install this manually? Currently have Home Assistant on a pi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 22:01 Great question. There are many ways to set up remote access; some are secure, others aren't. Setting up a reverse proxy with SSL would be a secure way to get remote access, but it requires a somewhat complicated setup and maintenance. Due to the level of complexity, it may be out of reach for some users, which is where Homeway comes in. Homeway aims to enable secure and private remote access that's extremely easy to set up and requires no maintenance. To set up Homeway, a user makes an account, installs the add-on, and has full access to Home Assitant. Consider the complexity of a reverse proxy: 1. The user needs to set up a reverse proxy like nginx with a valid SSL cert. The configuration of such a proxy is complicated and must be done correctly, or there could be a gap where the remote access isn't secure. Getting an SSL cert is decently easy with Let's Encrypt (depending on your skill level), but they expire every 3 months, so you have to refresh them or set up a system to do so. 2. You must expose that proxy server via port forwarding from your router, which the very nature of such exposes that service and device to the public internet. 3. You must have a domain name to get a valid SSL cert, so you would need to purchase and maintain a domain while also setting it up with your static IP or some system that can track your dynamic IP at home. 4. You must keep nginx and all your internet-facing software updated so bad actors can't get into your private LAN if any vulnerabilities are found. With Homeway, everything is done and maintained for you, so you have secure and private remote access from anywhere. With Homeway, we have free access for everyone, but it is limited due to service costs. We keep the limits as high as possible and can raise them more as we get more support. You can get unlimited remote access for $2.49/month, if you want it. What's best for different people varies from person to person, depending on whether they have the technical skills and time to set up a remote access system. For people who can set up their own system, it's a great option because it can be completely free. Or goal with Homeway is to serve everyone else. :) Let me know if you have any other questions! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 22:02 I hope to have support for a non-addon-based system soon. I would recommend you make an account and join our Discord; I will post about it when it comes out! (possibly later this week) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 22:06 Yup, that's right on the money; the main point of Homeway is to make remote access extremely easy to set up and ensure it's secure and private. That's also a good insight into the average technical level of Home Assistant users; I have also considered that. I think there's some subset of users who would be interested in a project like Homeway just because it's one less thing to worry about. There are a lot of ways to set up secure remote access, and all of them have pros and cons. I'm unsure if the community wants this, so I'm excited to see what everyone thinks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- biblecrumble · 2023-12-18 22:16 I'm sorry OP but paying $2.50 a month to access a single system that I am hosting myself has got to be one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- armsaw · 2023-12-18 22:20 Exactly, this feels kind of gross and self-serving when the competing option (Nabu Casa subscription) directly supports the people who work so hard to build Home Assistant and maintain the community. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 22:36 Nabu Casa is a great option as well! There are a few differences; the biggest are pricing and the security model. The price of Homeway is free for limited access or $2.49/month for unlimited access. Nabu Casa is around $6/month at the time of posting this. Nabu Casa uses a different kind of tunnel, where they tunnel TCP traffic. The problem with that is it exposes your Home Assitant instance to the public Internet because the only thing hiding your access is the unique DNS name, which isn't secure. Anyone with access to the DNS name has access to your Home Assistant. For example, you can [search Bing for them and find hundreds](https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Aui.nabu.casa&first=2). Since Nabu Casa exposes your Home Assitant to the public Internet, a bad actor can send packets through your router, the device running Home Assitant and the Home Assistant server. Any security flaws in those systems are exposed, and someone could leverage them to exploit your devices and access your home network. Since Home Assistant is written in Python, any Python library Home Assitant uses could also have possible unknown security issues that would be exposed. Finally, your user account security is the only thing that protects your Home Assistant access from the public Internet, so if you don't have a strong password and 2FA setup, it could be possible to brute force. Our Homeway approach is to wrap the security that Home Assistant provides in another layer through our service. You must be logged into your Homeway account to access your Home Assistant, so there's no public internet exposure. We offer strong account security features, like 3rd-party login and rolling code-based 2FA, and we will always require an email-based code challenge when you log in from a new IP. Once you log into Homeway and have remote access, you still need to log into your Home Assistant server, which is an entire layer of security. Homeway doesn't store any of your data on our servers; once it's tunneled to you, it's deleted. So Homeway doesn't have your Home Assistant username, password, cookies, or anything. Thus, Homeway doesn't expose your Home Assistant to the public Internet, and we have two layers of security that protect your Home Assistant. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 22:48 Absolutely if you have the skill and time to set up your own system, it's a great option. I want Homeway to be for everyone who doesn't have the skills or doesn't want to maintain a remote access system. I just wrote a comment on this thread about it, here: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/18lj36i/comment/kdy9aop/? utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nonlinear_nyc · 2023-12-18 23:02 Is it open source? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:04 Great question. The addon and protocol are, but the server is not. I'm trying to clean up the server code, and then I hope to make it open- source soon. The server code is also not written to be generic right now; since it's dependent on other servers running in other regions of the world, running it solo wouldn't work well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- katbyte · 2023-12-18 23:06 Setting up home assistant is a tad easier then setting up proper, secure, remote access that doesn’t rely on a vpn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MRobi83 · 2023-12-18 23:09 If it were, Nabu Casa wouldn't exist for $5/month. HA has come a long ways in appealing to the more entry level user. It's no longer just for us super nerds lol. I'd say there's a market here ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nonlinear_nyc · 2023-12-18 23:10 I think you should disclaim it on your page so. If it's not open source, people will expect a pricing scheme, even if it's free for now. If not open source, I also find kinda misleading to ask for free volunteering here since you're asking for free labor for a for-profit tool. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:14 That's a good point; I didn't think about it. I said this in some of the other comments, but the model is free for limited remote access; you can support the project for $2.49/month to get unlimited remote access. Ideally, the free level should cover the usage of most users, so it's entirely free for them, but if they need more or want to support the project, they can become a suppoter. I have the supporter model pricing here: [https://homeway.io/supporter](https://homeway.io/supporter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AlteRedditor · 2023-12-18 23:18 Just what I needed, you're the bomb. 👏 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:24 I really appreciate that. I have worked hard on this project for 3 months and am excited to share it. Your comment made my day. 🥰 Please [join Discord](https://discord.gg/zxbvtgU6dq) and share your feedback, even the nit-picky stuff. I can't make the project better if I don't know what's wrong! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nonlinear_nyc · 2023-12-18 23:26 So you're asking for free labor for a for-profit feature that doesn't even cover the topic of the sub (since it's not self-hosted) Hm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mguaylam · 2023-12-18 23:27 This project look great but I can’t support something that compete with Nabu Casa. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:34 Sorry, I don't understand; what's the free labor part? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:38 Yeah, I identify that. I'm comfortable doing it because I think an alternative security model is a good thing, so there's a choice. As I posted in some other comments, The Nabu Casa model of exposing your Home Assistant to the public internet might not be something users want to do. With Homeway, users have an alternative choice. I actually talked to the Home Assistant founder about Homeway and told him to let me know if they saw an impact on their services at all. My goal isn't to undermine them in any way. I think they will always dominate since they are built into the HA core and work on so many other setups that Homeway won't work on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:41 Yeah, I identify that. I actually talked to the Home Assistant founder about Homeway and told him to let me know if they saw an impact on their services at all. **My goal isn't to undermine them in any way.** I think they will always dominate since they are built into the HA core and work on so many other setups that Homeway won't work on. The biggest reason I thought there would be a need for HomeAway was to put another security model in the market and let users have a choice. The Nabu Casa model of exposing your Home Assistant to the public internet might not be something users want to do. With Homeway, users have an alternative choice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thefaccio · 2023-12-18 23:43 Half of the points are not true. I use duckns that is free and has a addon that refreshes the certificate every 2 months and updates the IP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:46 Good point; there are tons of ways of setting up reverse proxies. I wasn't trying to mislead; I just covered what I thought would be the most standard setup. Other great solutions remote access solutions like TailScale also exist, which are easier to setup than reverse proxies, but each has its pros and cons. That's why I was trying to say it really comes down to user choice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nonlinear_nyc · 2023-12-18 23:52 Are you paying for betatesters? Or do they work for free? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-18 23:58 Ah, I understand and see your perspective. I'm not paying them, but as a thank you for helping, I'm offering to give them the Supporter Perks benefit-free for life. Usually, that's a $2.49/month cost, so it's not much, but it's something. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nonlinear_nyc · 2023-12-19 00:01 You're posting an ad on a sub. It shouldn't be here. But I guess moderators are sleeping in the wheel. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- royaldunlin · 2023-12-19 00:30 I work with a lot of security professionals who would never host internet facing services and think I’m crazy for doing so. I just focus on setting my services up securely but also accessibly. What’s the point of this stuff if you can’t easily use it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Downtown_Series9505 · 2023-12-19 00:45 I would like to see it open source and the easy solution for that paid alternative that automatically more or less sets it up for you. The more challenging parts are the Google integrations and voice abilities with Google and iOS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SpinCharm · 2023-12-19 00:56 What’s the market for this then? Anyone this set up home assistant already has the ability to set up the rest of it needed to access HA remotely. I get that most non-technical people want turnkey solutions; but those people haven’t set up HA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- psbankar · 2023-12-19 00:56 Since many people are unhappy here that you're competing against Nabu Casa and $2.49 (although thats optional), why not make it a generic project to access any kind of service user wants for eg. Nextcloud, arr stack, etc? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thejefferson · 2023-12-19 00:59 Can you go into more detail on how the proxy works and the security in a bit more detail? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 01:04 Yes! I have a page about it here with a lot of content, I plan on writing more soon. https://learn.homeway.io/security I would love to hear your feedback! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SpinCharm · 2023-12-19 01:05 I’m not sure I understand what the monthly fee is for but admittedly I haven’t read any technical details on this yet. But if the data goes directly from the mobile app to the HA server then it’s deleted, what ongoing cost do you have providing this app? If the solution requires a central server that isn’t under the HA administrator’s control, why would they want to introduce a huge security concern? I don’t doubt your honesty and sincerity regarding taking security seriously, but it’s closed source, you’re under the jurisdiction of the laws of your country which can decide to do whatever they may wish to do at some point without your consent, and you can’t guarantee that your system(a) can’t be penetrated and exploited by black hats. 10 years experience is nice but I’ve got over double that and I wouldn’t try to convince anyone that your solution is secure. All this to provide a simple front end mechanism for highly technical people that have set up their own HA system and somehow aren’t capable of setting up reverse proxy or Cloudflare or other existing secure methods that don’t involve an unknown program doing unknowable things? I’m not sure you’ve identified a clear need for this that doesn’t come with significant risks at some future date. I hope you’ve had properly qualified lawyers set up iron clad terms and conditions, because one day you might regret launching this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel15 · 2023-12-19 01:13 > Getting an SSL cert is decently easy with Let's Encrypt (depending on your skill level), but they expire every 3 months, so you have to refresh them or set up a system to do so. For what it's worth, pretty much everyone using Let's Encrypt has the certs configured to automatically renew. Another point worth adding to your list is that some people are stuck behind CGNAT without IPv6, so they don't have the ability to forward ports. A tunnel helps there (I assume your service uses a tunnel of some sort and thus will work for people stuck with CGNAT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel15 · 2023-12-19 01:15 If you set up Home Assistant for someone (parents, less technical friends, etc) then being able to offload something like this to a third-party can be worth it. The less maintenance you need to do, the better. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel15 · 2023-12-19 01:17 > If it's not open source, people will expect a pricing scheme, even if it's free for now Note that open-source software doesn't have to be free of charge (just free as in freedom), and closed-source software doesn't have to cost money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thejefferson · 2023-12-19 01:21 I read that but thank you for the link. What is the difference between an SNI proxy vs a WebSocket way homeaway is using? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 01:24 I think there might be a subset of users who can setup a secure remote access system or don’t want to spend the time to maintain it. But I’m not sure, we will have to see! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thejefferson · 2023-12-19 01:55 I am only asking as this is a direct competitor and the biggest claim that makes HomeAway and Nebula different is the security. Nebula provides some good info: High level: https://www.nabucasa.com/config/remote/ Code: [https://github.com/NabuCasa/snitun](https://github.com/NabuCasa /snitun) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- techie2200 · 2023-12-19 01:59 If someone can setup home assistant, I'm pretty sure they can setup Tailscale or Zerotier or Wireguard. Plus with your server being closed source, how do you establish trust? I think this sub is definitely not your target demographic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 02:39 Exactly. Even for me, I can set up something like a reverse proxy or VPN, but they do require a decent amount of maintenance. From my perspective, I would rather use something I don't have to manage and troubleshoot when it breaks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 02:43 That's something I considered, but there are a lot of excellent generic remote solutions out there. I think there's something special about a service that deeply is involved with and integrated into a system like Home Assistant rather than generic. The website, add-on, and even tunneling features can be tuned and optimized for that specific purpose by being built specifically for Home Assistant. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 02:50 Those are some great docs. I get what you're saying and I will work on adding the general overview on the learn website. But in general, the add-on connects to the service with a WebSocket and then uses a custom flatbuffer protocol to tunnel the data. The service is dotnet 8.0 web server, which accepts WebSockets and HTTP traffic. Basically, the HTTP request comes into the server, gets serialized into the flatbuffer, is sent to the addon, and is made over localhost. The response is the opposite, read from localhost, serialised into a flatbuffer, sent to the server, and remitted back to your browser. Once the data is transmitted, it's deleted. I will try to write more details on the overall system later tonight on the learn website. Let me know if what I said covers what you're wondering, or if you have more questions! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 02:55 Yes! Both good points! I have worked with a few Let's Encrypt systems that could generate certs automatically and others that weren't due to DNS challenges and such. Your NAT point is also a good reminder. I have even seen some IPV4 NATS (like in colleges) that prevent running services. Homeway has no problems with NATing since the WebSocket is established from inside of your network. It's just like how WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger works on your desktop computer, it opens a socket out to the Facebook servers to get updates about new messages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 03:03 Good points, thanks for the feedback. I plan on open-sourcing the server soon. But even if the server is open source, you must trust the service is running what you can see in the open-source repo, so it's not a silver bullet. Building trust is something that has to happen over time. I'm in it for the long haul, so I'm happy to work with anyone to answer technical questions and make documents, images, or whatever else to help. I hope to be involved in the communities and build a small community of our own, which hopefully will help build trust. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 03:07 That's close to what my goal is. I hope to open-source the server soon, but I don't know when. I already have [Alexa](https://homeway.io/alexa?source=reddit_selfhost) and [Google Assistant](https://homeway.io/googleassistant?source=reddit_selfhost) integrations working with one-click installs. Alexa can be used right now! Google Assistant is very close; I'm working with Google to approve it, which should be this week! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- darthrater78 · 2023-12-19 03:09 Personally, I'd rather continue to support HA through my NabuCasa subscription. Quality software deserves fair funding. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrClickstoomuch · 2023-12-19 03:10 I used to have a cloud flare remote tunnel, but since they updated their website like 6 months ago I couldn't get it working with my freenom domain anymore. So something like this would be great in my situation. And yes, I confirmed the domain is still active. I'd also consider myself a decently technical person, but I'm not trying to look up many different guides for the best way to do this while also having proper security. A solution that is easy and uses best security practices is definitely ideal. Would this tool require a payment of some kind? You mentioned that homeway would use essentially a 3rd party to manage the security of the connection. I assume this will have some server costs if/as you get more users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 03:21 That's totally fair! [As I said in this comment](https://www.reddit.co m/r/selfhosted/comments/18lj36i/comment/kdyown3/?utm_source=share&utm_ medium=web2x&context=3), I have talked with the Home Assistant founder and told him to contact me if he sees any impact. It's not my goal to undermine them. For me, the biggest reason for Homeway is to provide an alternative to their security model that publically exposes your Home Assistant, so users have a choice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TerminalFoo · 2023-12-19 03:22 How is your service going to work with the Home Assistant Android and iOS apps? You mention that your service wraps another layer around Home Assistant via a Homeway login. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- th1341 · 2023-12-19 03:24 imo, this should be one of your main selling points. i personally pay for nabu casa right now purely for the google assistant integration. this seems very interesting and i will likely give it a shot as soon as the integration is ready ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MaddyMagpies · 2023-12-19 03:40 The fact that the creator of Octoprint had to beg online last month for donations, while you, the creator of OctoAnywhere, just sat there and claimed that "you give back to community", says everything we need to know about you. Feel free to lie about what the creator of Octoprint told you. We know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 03:43 Yes exactly! There are many great options, but they all require a small amount of overhead. Homeway won't require any overhead. I'm trying something different with the project. I want the remote access to be "as free as possible," but I have to have limits because it costs money for server compute and bandwidth. But as I get more support for the project, I hope to raise the "free limits" as much as possible. If you want to support the project, you can get "Supporter Perks" for $2.49/month. You get unlimited remote data since you're helping to cover the development and server costs. I also require Supporter Perks for the [Alexa](https://homeway.io/alexa?source=reddit_selfhost) and [Google Assistant](https://homeway.io/googleassistant?source=reddit_selfhost) integrations since they are pretty intensive on the servers. Maybe in the future, if the project gets more support, I can make them free as well. You can find the pricing on the support site here: [https://homeway.io/supporter](https://homeway.io/supporter?source=red dit_selfhost) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- atika · 2023-12-19 04:40 Who's "We"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 04:41 Yeah, not to bash Nuba Casa, but the consensus of most security professionals is you should never have anything exposed to the internet from your home router anymore. Homeway doesn't expose your home assistant to the public internet at all. Homeway's security model requires you to log into your Homeway account before getting remote access. Then, on top of that, you still have to log into your Home Assistant local user through remote access, so there are two layers of security. To ensure your account stays secure, we offer many advanced security features such as a 3rd party login, a rolling code-based 2-factor, and an email-based code challenge whenever you log in from a new IP address. [I wrote a page detailing all of this security and more](https://learn.homeway.io/security); I plan to add more soon. I'm more than happy to answer any questions; feel free to send it to your security friends. I would also love to hear their feedback. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 04:43 That's a good point. The reason I didn't bring it up quite yet is it's not fully matured, but I'm hoping it happens sometime this week. I will notify users on my [Discord](https://discord.gg/zxbvtgU6dq) when it's ready, so join it if you want to stay in the loop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 04:45 That's a good question that I didn't consider. I didn't think about the official HA app; I assumed it just wouldn't work. But I did open it and saw you can enter any external URL in there, so if you use a [Shared Connection](https://homeway.io/sharedconnections?source=reddit _selfhost), it should work! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 04:46 That's sloppy writing on my part. I'm a one-person dev who's behind the entire project. Sometimes I use the word "we" to include the Homeway community because I really want this to be an open community for all to join, discuss, and help me build. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 05:13 That's great feedback; thanks for sharing. The addon and plugin are open source now, and I hope to make the server open-source soon. But even with an open-source server, you still have to trust what's being run in the service is just the open-source code, which can easily not be. The service uses a worldwide network of servers to relay your browser requests to the add-ons, which is where the costs come in. To add our second layer of security, we can't offer end-to-end encryption because our servers have to terminate the TLS to read your logged-in credentials and such. But all the data tunneled through our server is immediately deleted after transferring. I have written an overview of the [security](https://learn.homeway.io/security) and [privacy](https://homeway.io/privacy) behind Homeway, and of course, there's the full privacy policy and TOS you can also read. You're also right that a user who can set up TailScale, a CF Tunnel, VPN, or whatever might be better off doing so. My goal for this project is just to provide another option, with its own pros and cons. More user choice is always better for the community! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PyroGhostX · 2023-12-19 05:35 Nice job! Multiple options is always a good thing. People that say only nabu casa should exist don't understand everything needs options, competition helps growth ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 05:37 Thank you, I appreciate that. I love that we can let everyone choose what ever works best for them! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pokeybumwank99 · 2023-12-19 06:07 This is exactly what i have been looking for thankyou ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinbd · 2023-12-19 06:12 Amazing! Glad I could help! Please give it a try and let me know what you think! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pokeybumwank99 · 2023-12-19 06:15 Ive signed up it will be a few days before i can try but im excited thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kmisterk · 2023-12-19 06:27 ## Post Removed Hey, quinbd! 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