How to avoid using my ISP's gateway/router? I live with people who still pay for cable TV, so the coax is required for some TV functions. reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 04:05 I'm using the gateway in bridge mode right now to an old PC using opnsense, I'm not sure if that matters/is relevant. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- vfaergestad · 2023-11-23 04:22 What exactly are you wanting to achieve? To have internet access without going through your ISP's gateway? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dramradhel · 2023-11-23 04:23 Is that frontier communications ONT? iIRC the 10gig port is the only active, and you have to use it as one can’t purchase a fiber ONT and activate it on their own. However, behind the ONT, you can use whatever hardware you want. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 04:24 Correct, while maintaining the coax connection for the tv's. I'm not sure if it requires frontier's gateway for authentication, but my guess is i'm SOL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 04:27 The optical to RF converter and ONT are both frontier, yeah. Converter - VF-01A ONT - FOG421 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 04:36 Does that mean I could use something with an SFP to connect the fiber directly to the converter instead of using the ONT? Sorry if I'm misundertanding. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrDrMrs · 2023-11-23 05:38 No you cannot. Why are you trying to avoid the ont. what do you think you’ll gain? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 05:41 I'm not trying to avoid the ONT, I just want to use my router instead of having to use the gateway in bridge mode. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vee_King · 2023-11-23 06:43 Yes you can bypass the gateway altogether. I do this directly from the ONT into UDM-Pro/SE with a few customers and it works great. Can't recall for certain off the top of my head, you may need to get IP details or other info from Frontier to plug in to your own router..... PPPoE perhaps... I'll dig into a customer's config and get back to you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vee_King · 2023-11-23 06:45 Now that I said that... What's the coax into the frontier gateway for? I've only seen it configured Ethernet directly from Fiber > ONT > Gateway, no coax involved. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScizooMizoo · 2023-11-23 06:45 So you want to avoid using your ISP hardware at home and want to connect directly? In most cases this is not possible because ISP locks the hardware which is allowed to connect to their network. It depends heavily on your ISP if they allow whitelisting, if so, you should be able to connect directly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 06:48 I really am not sure. I replied to a comment earlier, but if I disconnect the coax from the gateway, the internet functions, and the tvs will still output, but things like the TV guide and other info won't load ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 06:49 That's the ideal scenario, but I wasn't sure if it could be done. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScizooMizoo · 2023-11-23 06:53 As said, it is possible. Depends on the ISP and the hardware they use. They often have guards in front to prevent rogue devices from accidentally ddos'ing their system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vee_King · 2023-11-23 06:56 Okay hashing through this... It sounds like the question is more about the TV than Internet.... You've got Frontier Fiber Internet & TV, not some other coax provider for TV, right? How is the picture delivered to the TV? Coax to a set top box? Ethernet to a set top box? Coax directly into the TV? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 07:00 Correct, whatever the package is for fiber and TV. The tvs that have cavke have a set top box, and those are connected via coax. I've tried using the ethernet port on the STB but it didn't resolve the problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vee_King · 2023-11-23 07:19 Where do the STBs coax lines connect to the coax feed from the road? Surely the Frontier Gateway isn't acting as a coax splitter... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vee_King · 2023-11-23 07:20 Might be helpful to add the coax to TV connections to your diagram. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 07:27 There's a splitter somewhere, and I'm not sure if I could go further beyond that because whoever ran cables in this old house made it as goofy as possible. I initially was using the gateway/router combo with the upstairs switch, and using the coax cable to that room also worked in that setup. I have just been under the assumption that there's some kind of splitter somewhere? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Successful-Floor-424 · 2023-11-23 07:31 Oh, I may have misunderstood. The coax that goes into the optical to rf converter is the one that comes from the pole outside, at least I'm almost certain. I think the coax to the gateway is just to some splitter ran outside, it's really baffling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- generalnfg · 2023-11-23 08:16 I have my pfsense connected directly to the ONT and have internet access through PPPoE. You need to know your account username and password from your ISP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cpp562 · 2023-11-23 08:34 I did this setup about a decade ago, but off of memory some important things to consider: Do the TVs or the STB have Ethernet going to them or is it Coax? If coax, then the frontier box is giving you IP over coax (MoCA). If this is the case, the TVs need this for data (possibly the TV guide). You should be able to put it behind your router and VLAN/subnet it, with WAN of their box connected to your LAN. The most important part is what the ONT has provisioned to give you WAN. If I remember correctly they can provision either Coax or Ethernet. You need to convince them to provision the Ethernet, and they probably won’t “support” your own router, but if you can get them to provision Ethernet from the ONT to their router, you can MAC address clone their Ethernet WAN on your own router and it *should* work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vee_King · 2023-11-23 10:03 I would check on the Frontier forums, might have more people familiar with the TV side of things over there. As for the Internet, you don't need the gateway, just credentials for PPPoE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- amboredentertainme · 2023-11-23 13:46 > I just want to use my router instead of having to use the gateway in bridge mode. Set your router in access point mode then, that or use it in router mode but you will have a double nat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EriksonEnterprises · 2023-11-23 20:02 I got rid of their gateway a long time ago and just plugged my router directly into the Ethernet cable from the ONT Should be an Ethernet cable... At least that's what mine uses. Might be able to run an Ethernet cable from the ONT into where your router is, if they didn't use the Ethernet cable. if it's missing the Ethernet port, maybe a new ONT box too? That's at least my setup... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HerefortheLAN · 2023-11-23 21:20 Why is this preferable? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dramradhel · 2023-11-24 01:03 You don’t need the coax converter. That’s just used to route the data to your gateway router. You may have to call in to customer care and request a tech, but they can move your data from coax to the RJ45 10gig port. But running off the MOCA coax adapter is fine too. But if you need that coax for other purposes, call and ask to have your ONT programmed to use the 10gig port and not the moca/coax port.