Plex crossed a line with "Your week in review" emails today. reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironicbadger · 2023-11-21 17:25 As you may have seen Plex decided it was OK today to send an email showing me what my friends have been watching. To be clear, this is Plex telling other people what I've been watching from *my* server, with *my* files, and this is not OK. We all knew it was a matter of time before Plex started collecting data on our libraries and sharing it with advertisers. What happened to their "we don't know, and don't want to know, what is on your server"?. This, for me, is proof that those fears were absolutely founded in reality. On what planet would I ever want this information to be shared with friends on family on an OPT OUT basis? It's totally unacceptable to collect this data in the first place. It's totally unacceptable to share this information with uniquely identifiable information. And it's totally unacceptable to do this without explicitly asking me if it's OK. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about this as a server admin, because technically these are *Plex* users and their marketing email preferences are controlled on the user side in the Plex website preferences. Not on your server. **This is an absolutely egregious overreach.** Thank goodness there are alternatives available in the form of Jellyfin and Emby. I left my Plex server up after the Jellyfin January challenge we did on the Self-Hosted podcast but because of this I feel that I have no choice but to take it down for good. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-21 17:26 Just use Plex offline and you are good to go. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- aallport · 2023-11-21 17:30 Scarily, one can opt to receiving the summaries, but I see no tick box for sharing \_my\_ activity with friends??? [https://imgur.com/a/NM1esO6](https://imgur.com/a/NM1esO6) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironicbadger · 2023-11-21 17:33 Right - it's controlled server side by Plex and so far as I can tell there's nothing you can do. Your friends would have to go in and turn it off. It's disgusting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- aallport · 2023-11-21 17:36 I guess we're getting pitchforks out then! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironicbadger · 2023-11-21 17:37 What other option do we have? Either stop using it or attempt to get Plex to respond and change their ways. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ellipsoidalellipsoid · 2023-11-21 17:37 Please elaborate more on the blocking, such as what IPs should be whitelisted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kraftingg · 2023-11-21 17:41 Jellyfin FTW! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Still-Snow-3743 · 2023-11-21 17:44 This sort of thing makes me \*extremely\* nervous. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- the_spad · 2023-11-21 17:45 You can set it in your profile settings https://imgur.com/a/Xp9LwqI But it's worrying that it's opt-out and not opt-in - even if they did prompt me to look at it when I first logged in after the added the Friends Discovery thing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-21 17:47 What do they care. They have your money already, and since it is software, they don't actually have to deliver on what they sold you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- leafyitalian · 2023-11-21 17:49 What i dont understand is why you are getting upset about the email vs. the fact that it shows you this info in plex directly now (believe from the last update)? Also, if im not a mistake, plex have it been collecting this info for a few years. has it not, Or am i wrong? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Senkyou · 2023-11-21 17:49 Does information exist on blocking outbound traffic to mitigate or avoid this? Ultimately I want to move away from Plex if they're going to engage in this behavior, but I have to keep the family approval rating high to make such a change, necessitating a bit of time to transition. In the meantime I'd love to make firewall changes to "fix" this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Firestarter321 · 2023-11-21 17:50 I guess you could do that…or you could switch to a company that hasn’t gone to $hit like Jellyfin or Emby. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- aallport · 2023-11-21 17:51 Ahh, thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Docccc · 2023-11-21 17:51 you can opt out now your profile. But it ahould have been opt in for existing users for sure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- wireis · 2023-11-21 17:53 Made the switch to JF about 6 months ago, Never looked back! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PsychotherapistSam · 2023-11-21 17:54 Here's some more detail on the data Plex “collects” https://support.plex.tv/articles/sync-watch-state-and-ratings/ > We all knew it was a matter of time before Plex started collecting data on our libraries and sharing it with advertisers Not really true. Plex only stores your watch history, after this is enabled. You can't disable it for your server, since it's tied to the users, since there's other content available on Plex. Plex also doesn't store that some media was watched on YOUR server, just that it was watched by the user in general. If you don't want/use/like the social features, turn off the Watch State Syncing and disable the sharing in your profile settings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HeadlineINeed · 2023-11-21 17:55 Is it supported on tv makers? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- levogevo · 2023-11-21 17:58 Wdym TV makers? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iRawrz · 2023-11-21 17:59 This here. This setting is absolutely controllable and if memory serves me right i had to enable it when the feature rolled out. In fact, I just made a brand new account and after signing in the very first option is to either accept or change the setting. https://i.imgur.com/8rvyjOt.png ---------------------------------------------------------------------- wireis · 2023-11-21 17:59 https://jellyfin.org/downloads/clients ---------------------------------------------------------------------- spicy45 · 2023-11-21 18:01 I always refused PLEX, and have only used open source alternative’s. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Catoja1107 · 2023-11-21 18:02 Your friend /u/Ironicbadger has been recently been watching Dommy Mommy 4: VR Edition ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ForeheadMeetScope · 2023-11-21 18:02 You're just \*now\* suddenly aware of the privacy concerns with Plex? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- spicy45 · 2023-11-21 18:02 There is your answer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironicbadger · 2023-11-21 18:02 I am upset about both but I think the email particularly crosses a line for me because it shows this info outside of the Plex interface. Emails lives forever, not just a sidebar interface element. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Big-Finding2976 · 2023-11-21 18:02 They mean Smart TVs. My Dad's Samsung TV has a Plex app, but no way to install anything like Kodi that would let him use Jellyfin instead of Plex to serve media. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fredflintstone88 · 2023-11-21 18:03 Thanks for sharing this. How do I get to the settings page you showed in the screenshot? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ONE_BIG_LOAD · 2023-11-21 18:04 There's a Jellyfin app for Tizen (Samsung TV) but it's kinda stupid to get installed and is kinda sluggish. Actual playback is perfect however. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Znoot · 2023-11-21 18:04 Wow, that's surreal. I just checked and apparently received an email two weeks ago regarding "Discover" and what it's really about. Of course, I did what I do with most of the shiny newsletters with tons of marketing blah blah and ignored it. Granted, I don't have any friends on Plex—but even if I did, I'm clueless as to why I'd give a rat's ass about what they watch and when. I also don't care about their taxes or bowel movements—none of that is any of my business. If this privacy sneaked in on an opt-out basis, I can only hope they pulled this off with their European customers as well. Oh, to be a fly on the wall when they explain everything to the relevant data protection agency. That's gonna be a fun conversation. Seriously, are they completely off their rockers? 🤔 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iiiiiiiiiiip · 2023-11-21 18:05 > If you don't want/use/like the social features, turn off the Watch State Syncing and disable the sharing in your profile settings. Introducing data leaking features that are opt-out rather than opt-in is scummy no matter how its dressed up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrkesu · 2023-11-21 18:06 Plex haven't taken user feedback into consideration for years. They seem to be making universally hated features exclusively. Your realistic options are to accept Plex as it is, or switch to something else. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- levogevo · 2023-11-21 18:07 Not sure about Samsung TV but if the jellyfin or infuse app doesn't exist, you can do chromecast / airplay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iRawrz · 2023-11-21 18:08 Just made a new account because I swore I remember a pop up when this feature got added. Brand new account and the very first thing it does is pop up about the sharing and provides the option. It might be opt- out, but they do put it in front of your face initially. https://i.imgur.com/8rvyjOt.png I personally have it on, I'm not scared and it's already caused some casual discussions with friends/family about certain things we've watched. If you're worried I wouldn't fault someone for leaving but would suggest they go with a fully self hosted solution in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iRawrz · 2023-11-21 18:10 The only idea I would have to get around this is make the libraries personal media and load metadata without matching. I have no idea if the new features applies to personal media but it might work. I can't imagine that you'd be able to modify the traffic that's being sent without breaking Plex itself ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tibuliburon · 2023-11-21 18:11 noooo.... my plexerino.... fuck plex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PsychotherapistSam · 2023-11-21 18:12 I fully agree, this should have been opt-in for all existing users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Symnet · 2023-11-21 18:13 meh, I don't really care honestly. My plex server regularly phones home to plex.tv, it's not like this is a surprise really. you can't even fully use the application without it having access to the internet. at this point if you're concerned with privacy concerning plex and you havent stopped using plex, it's kind of your own fault. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Symnet · 2023-11-21 18:14 how does this make you more nervous than your server essentially requiring an active connection to [plex.tv](https://plex.tv)? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gwillen · 2023-11-21 18:15 Anybody with sense already knew Plex was scummy. Don't use Plex. No more to say about it than that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chewableplate · 2023-11-21 18:15 Doesn't collecting this info from local files potentially open them or us up to lawsuits? Ripping legally bought movies is already a grey area, even if they accept that's okay what's stopping a movie company from saying: "We have reason to believe most copies of our movie users are hosting through your service are pirated, please send us a list of these users so we can verify a receipt of purchase or potentially take legal action" Wasn't not having this information and as such not being able to provide this information to a court order the entire point? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iRawrz · 2023-11-21 18:16 Why anyone with real privacy concerns with their media would use a service that's not fully self hosted is beyond me. I understand OPs concern but it's a bit surprised Pikachu face to me ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Resident-Variation21 · 2023-11-21 18:16 Until Swiftfin is better it’s just not an option ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Symnet · 2023-11-21 18:17 yeah it's giving "leopards eating people's faces party" meme ---------------------------------------------------------------------- formless63 · 2023-11-21 18:18 The first time I logged in to a device after the update went through it asked me to set up my sharing and privacy options. Did everyone just click next and not read the prompts to allow this? IMO that was a clear opportunity to decide the out in/out status. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-21 18:19 I use Plex flawlessly since 14 years, so no. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ProbablePenguin · 2023-11-21 18:20 Sometimes we pick the easier to use option over the more private option, especially when family is using it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fluffer_Wuffer · 2023-11-21 18:20 But active users are an asset. A company with 1m active regular users, is worth far more than one with 10m in-active. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- exegamer76 · 2023-11-21 18:20 It seems to be the following: * Go to https://app.plex.tv/desktop/#!/profile/edit * Click on "Privacy Settings" at the bottom of the page * Dialog from the screenshot pops up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- leafyitalian · 2023-11-21 18:21 Ok, I can completely understand that! I'm not sure if this was mentioned yet, but there does look to be a way to change your activity to private! Im not sure how to access it on the web, but on the app under the discover tab, you can change your watch history as private. I hope that helps! I do agree this should be opt in not a opt out thing! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-21 18:21 You don't block IP's you redirect via DNS the plex used URL's like plex.tv to your proxy. Keep downvoting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ruined_Oculi · 2023-11-21 18:22 If this is the direction they are continuing to go, I'm sorry I bought a Plex pass. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Smile_lifeisgood · 2023-11-21 18:23 Tons of us have been saying this for a while now - ever since Plex's focus turned away from just providing a quality, feature-rich self- hosted streaming server and all of this centralized, fight-users-for- dashboard-space nonsense. I get that some people want certain features so badly that they'll tolerate the other horseshit, but it's just always been wild seeing how the Plex Defense Brigade will pile onto any comment or thread about the product. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sixincomefigure · 2023-11-21 18:23 He's been talking about these concerns publicly for literally years. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-21 18:23 Yes, I use Plex offline since years, but this sub decided to downvote my comment about that, so good luck to you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- itsbentheboy · 2023-11-21 18:24 The more time that goes by, the more vindicated I am in dumping Plex many years ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- flecom · 2023-11-21 18:25 what's also annoying is I've unsubscribed from all their emails, SEVERAL times now, and they keep resubscribing me automatically at this point I'm just going to start marking all their emails as spam just to hurt their email rep ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FormerPassenger1558 · 2023-11-21 18:28 funny,.. in a discussion on Plex today, I posted "you pay with your data" [https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/180cqxh/comment/ka6mjr6/ ?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/180cqxh/comme nt/ka6mjr6/?context=3) and got downvoted, lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CWagner · 2023-11-21 18:29 Works great on non-walled-garden systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Resident-Variation21 · 2023-11-21 18:30 Neat. I repeat, until Swiftfin is better, it’s just not an option. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bobbycancode · 2023-11-21 18:31 Jeeeez. I am so glad i never signed up for a Plex account....and that I recently switched to Jellyfin! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- brdn · 2023-11-21 18:32 Because you also pay with money ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FormerPassenger1558 · 2023-11-21 18:32 there is a way described in this thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/180cqxh/comment/ka6mjr6/ ?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/180cqxh/comme nt/ka6mjr6/?context=3) but you need to know about reverse proxies and stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eivamu · 2023-11-21 18:32 I’m in Europe. So how is this ever GDPR compliant? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ShellDude01 · 2023-11-21 18:32 How else do you expect Plex to make money? They're not doing this for fun, ya know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sysop073 · 2023-11-21 18:34 You're really clueless about why you might want to know what stuff your friends are watching? You have weird friendships. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CWagner · 2023-11-21 18:36 And I’m simply saying that when you are combining open systems with an anti-open system, it gets much harder. Apple is the anti-thesis of selfhosting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Resident-Variation21 · 2023-11-21 18:37 And I’m simply saying until Swiftfin is better, it’s just not an option. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- emprahsFury · 2023-11-21 18:38 I think it's the whole- we are taking this info; we are disseminating it outside the traditional bounds; and the innate sense of ownership plex must have to feel enabled to do this. It's all just confirmed rather than an intuitive suspicion you'd get from inside plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- emprahsFury · 2023-11-21 18:40 It's the difference between suspecting something and verifying something. You know that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Expensive_Finger_973 · 2023-11-21 18:40 I switched away from Plex as soon as they started pushing to authenticate to a Plex account to access the server page of the Plex server that I was was hosting on my own hardware. Yes I know I could tweak things to get around it, but I'm of the opinion that once you have to start doing workarounds like that it is only a matter of time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- billysmusic · 2023-11-21 18:41 The last time I tried Jellyfin I was going to have to rename everything for it to work. With Plex it just detects and works. Does Jellyfin still require this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CambodianJerk · 2023-11-21 18:41 Having recently stood it up to test.. Absolutely not. Emby wins hands down and it's not even close. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dadarkgtprince · 2023-11-21 18:42 Making me more glad i never had plex. DLNA ftw! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Big-Finding2976 · 2023-11-21 18:44 His TV is a few years old, so I'm not sure if it uses Tizen but I'll have a look, thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R0GG3R · 2023-11-21 18:44 JF has no proper chromecast support… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FaxMachineIsBroken · 2023-11-21 18:45 Not an option *for you*. It's an option for plenty of us that have a brain and don't buy into the propaganda from the largest company on the planet. Be sure to let me know how much better that camera is on the new iPhone at lunch after I tell you about all the shows I watched on Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-11-21 18:46 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tomsrobots · 2023-11-21 18:46 There are a myriad of reasons people (including myself) put up with Plex's shenanigans. 1. Hosting with port forwarding, security, and potential proxies is difficult and Plex makes it seamless. 2. The level of polish the Plex apps have is far better than anything Jellyfin has. 3. There is no guarantee a working Jellyfin client is available for every device your family has. Anything that is a little bit clunky becomes a nightmare when older people are involved. I get what you're saying, but this Plex watch history stuff is really concerning and telling someone to move to something like Jellyfin isn't really a viable solution right now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Big-Finding2976 · 2023-11-21 18:47 Definitely no Play Store on his TV. I don't think it has any Chromecast /Airplay apps either, but even if it does I don't think they're any substitute for Plex or Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- subven1 · 2023-11-21 18:47 I thought that feature was opt in as I remember that I was asked a couple weeks ago when opening the PLEX client. I immediately opted out from all mails from PLEX. Maybe they fired the wrong 20% of their staff if this is what we get from now on. I bought a lifetime license for PLEX just because of hardware transcoding and I never wanted all the additional "features" in the first place. PLEX....please do not fck up your company even more. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MasterChiefmas · 2023-11-21 18:47 >Tons of us have been saying this for a while now - ever since Plex's focus turned away from just providing a quality, It's amusing how I basically was pointing this out in r/plex in a similar thread, that corporate Plex was the reason a lot of former Plex people had moved to Emby or Jellyfin and the downvotes poured in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- throwawayacc201711 · 2023-11-21 18:47 You’re basically saying you don’t get why social media exists. I don’t like a lot of social media but it’s even stranger that you can’t understand WHY people might be interested in it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Resident-Variation21 · 2023-11-21 18:48 I can only speak for myself, but saying I don’t have a brain for buying the products that suit me the best is very sad…. Good luck in life. You’ll need it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 010010000111000 · 2023-11-21 18:48 Never had an issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ONE_BIG_LOAD · 2023-11-21 18:48 If it helps, I think my TV is either 2018 or 2019 and Jellyfin app works. But yeah definitely take a look ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Symnet · 2023-11-21 18:48 no it's not lol, what did you think that plex routed all of your traffic thru their middleman for your own good? if you're using plex at this point and this surprises you, you're a bit silly lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MalcolmY · 2023-11-21 18:49 It says available for Android TV and WebOS. Which are the TV OSes now most of the time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Legitimate_Farm_3095 · 2023-11-21 18:49 same. and i;m sure most people just clicked through not reading anything then "omg i got an email from plex". in all the years i've been using plex i've never once received one of their emails - marketing or otherwise and never have i got any notification on my android phone besides the one i setup for new media added alerts. it really doesn't take a lot of time to read the directions, or what is even on your screen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- odaman8213 · 2023-11-21 18:49 I have said this before a million times, and I will say it again. If a large company can easily access your (potentially) pirated content - that means your local government or RIAA could very easily do so as well. Many of ya'll are too young to remember when they were going after individual downloaders for hundreds of thousands of dollars back in the Limewire days. Do not, under ANY circumstances use Plex. Their privacy policy is awful (read it yourself) and you have no idea what is even running on your server if you choose to install their software. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- levogevo · 2023-11-21 18:49 Just don't use Samsung tv then and get an inexpensive android TV box... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ORUHE33XEBQXOYLZ · 2023-11-21 18:49 Why not Infuse? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mxrider108 · 2023-11-21 18:49 I like this feature! I think it’s fun to see who in my friends is watching what. I don’t care if my friends know what movies and TV I watch… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExperimentalGoat · 2023-11-21 18:51 I mean, I've paid them a lot of money.. Perhaps they could use that? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jealy · 2023-11-21 18:51 I assume this stuff is US only at the mo' because I can't see those settings at all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Legitimate_Farm_3095 · 2023-11-21 18:51 a recent update prompted you to update these settings when you logged in ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ForeheadMeetScope · 2023-11-21 18:51 ...and yet still kept using the product only to end in "surprise, they did something someone didn't like, who could have seen that coming"? Also, your use of "literally" is unnecessary. Unless someone might otherwise think OP has been talking about this for "figuratively" years? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FaxMachineIsBroken · 2023-11-21 18:51 > but saying I don’t have a brain for buying the products that suit me the best is very sad…. I'm saying you don't have a brain because the "products that suit you best" involve stuff that you don't have to think about because you don't have a brain. So yeah, very sad that you don't have a brain and continue to bootlick a trillion dollar corporation that actively makes it harder for you to use apps you want they don't approve of. > Oh and home assistant runs flawlessly on my apple devices, so I guess open source stuff CAN work on apple devices… interesting. Its almost like you can do stuff easily Apple approves of, and stuff they don't approve of, you can't. Weird how being in a proprietary ecosystem works... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Legitimate_Farm_3095 · 2023-11-21 18:52 like someone else mentioned a recent update prompted you to update these settings when logging in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Resident-Variation21 · 2023-11-21 18:52 Honestly, couldn’t tell you. Tried it a while ago, didn’t like it. I had my reasons, but it was long enough ago that I can’t remember them. May be worth trying again though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Forsaken_Ad242 · 2023-11-21 18:55 I think you can disable it here: ​ It's kind of disguised as some feature to allow you to sync movie status among all plex servers. But disabling this would probably disable their ability to see it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- wiseguy9317 · 2023-11-21 18:55 It is probably time to dump Plex. Plex is a wannabe Google, Meta, Apple, they all want your data, and there is a ton of money in it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- varzaguy · 2023-11-21 18:55 You’re acting like an asshole. Chill out. This is some deranged shit to get this worked up over someone wanting Swiftfin to be better. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nestramutat- · 2023-11-21 18:56 I was using JF for about a year and a half exclusively. I just made the switch back to plex a few weeks ago. JF, especially the clients, just don't feel mature enough yet. The Android TV app is hot garbage, and it feels like I need to force quit it to get proper playback 50% of the time. Sometimes it just refuses to switch audio codecs, making all audio a jumbled mess. This is on a shield pro with the latest version, so I'm not running any kind of exotic hardware or software. The server itself is _fine_. I actually like a lot of the features more than Plex, especially the ability to use SSO/LDAP. Memory management sucks though - Plex sits comfortably at under 1 GB, while Jellyfin balloons to 6+. According to the devs, this is intended behaviour. I'm keeping both running, and I'll probably give it another honest shot after the next server version is released with native skip intro support. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- azukaar · 2023-11-21 18:59 Is anyone suprised at this point that Plex is off limit for the selfhosted community? I thought they made it pretty clear already ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-21 18:59 That will only matter if they were looking to sell the company to someone. I guess this is the first step in that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Theon · 2023-11-21 19:01 Feeling validated in my choice of Jellyfin over Plex :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-21 19:01 Sorry, stop using Emby when Emby Premiere became a thing. That is how Plex started down its shit hole. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Smile_lifeisgood · 2023-11-21 19:02 It's wild. Like, as a simple random example - I have a Meta Quest 3. I like it. If someone was like "I prefer X" or "Meta Quest 3 has issues that I'm concerned about" I'm not gonna get angry and start downvoting them. The advocacy you see on behalf of the Plexistanis is genuinely bizarre to me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- crusader-kenned · 2023-11-21 19:05 I don’t remember ever getting any options ever and I can’t find it anywhere in settings.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Midnight_Rising · 2023-11-21 19:06 I think it's possible that people get really wrapped up in the idea of privacy to the point that *any* sort of data sharing is considered evil. > I also don't care about their taxes or bowel movements—none of that is any of my business. Like, equating what shows you're watching to when you take a dump or what you fill out on your tax forms is just brain worms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dakoellis · 2023-11-21 19:07 > Plex haven't taken user feedback into consideration for years. They seem to be making universally hated features exclusively Reason I left for emby years ago was because they kept making the UI worse with no option to customize it at all. Came to find out a bit later the reason for that was to push their own stuff on users ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IM_OK_AMA · 2023-11-21 19:07 I haven't even stopped using plex but I had to unsub from /r/plex because any feedback or criticism gets dogpiled. Makes sense, one of the co-founders is a mod ---------------------------------------------------------------------- budius333 · 2023-11-21 19:08 Thanks for the heads up, I was thinking about updating but I'll stay with my miniDLNA with absolutely no central server whatsoever ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MasterChiefmas · 2023-11-21 19:08 >The advocacy you see on behalf of the Plexistanis is genuinely bizarre to me. Right? I suspect maybe a lot of the ones that get really defensive about it are more recent to Plex- haven't been with it for a long time, and so maybe are still in a bit of a honeymoon period. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- usrdef · 2023-11-21 19:10 Yup. The feature smacks you in the face. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hannsr · 2023-11-21 19:11 It is, because they asked to set your privacy settings after those features got introduced and you logged in for the first time. Not saying it isn't shady that the default is to share, but they prompted you to review and confirm it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-11-21 19:12 All features should be opt-in. It's baffling that companies hide behind an opt-out mechanism which they know most people don't understand and most likely will ok-skip since it's an annoying modal preventing them from doing what they want. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FroMan753 · 2023-11-21 19:12 Yea but if your users just click right past all that, it defaults to opting them in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- swiftb3 · 2023-11-21 19:13 Amazon stick is the cheapest (easy) way to turn any TV into a Jellyfin TV. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- he-tried-his-best · 2023-11-21 19:14 I mean then it’s the users fault for being the sort of idiot that clicks through important information. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-11-21 19:15 I deleted my Plex install because it's no longer my media player. The other day my wife was asking me why I had movies with advertising on our library, and after investigation I realized it was advertising its movies-with-ad service on Google TV, as if it was my own library. If I could, I would request refund on my license. That's not what I paid for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Forsaken_Ad242 · 2023-11-21 19:16 Thank you. That looks like it. Here's what it looks like: https://imgur.com/a/vRvUWxv ---------------------------------------------------------------------- usrdef · 2023-11-21 19:16 The correct way is to always assume. I've worked on many projects as a developer, and the companies always ask about data collection as one of the first talking points. In fact I'd be shocked if I spoke to a client that said "No no, we don't need to collect data". Never had it happen, once. For them, the more data, the better. I've had companies add to their project outline about collecting: * IP address + ISP + Proxy / VPN detection * Geographical location * Browser + Plugin detection * OS * ASN * Time on website / using service * Most clicked feature / service * and about 20 other things ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rasilrock · 2023-11-21 19:17 No it is not! You have to specifically agree to all information shared. Just a box that tells you this new feature will do this unless you opt out is absolutely, 100% not legal in the EU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rasilrock · 2023-11-21 19:18 It’s not, see my other comment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shadow_Bullet · 2023-11-21 19:18 Thank god I had all this shit disabled already, and just doubled checked to make sure it was all private and not sharing. It’s like Plex is trying to commit brand suicide with decisions like this. I still use them because it’s the most feature rich and I share with many friends and family but annoying that they aren’t giving us actual features. I haven’t used any of the new features in their app for other media. I only use self hosted and that is it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExcitingTabletop · 2023-11-21 19:19 Negative. It is the company's fault for making it opt-out, not opt-in. That's blaming the user for the company's bad design decisions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Big-Finding2976 · 2023-11-21 19:19 Yeah, I use one myself. He's already using all the HDMI ports on his AV receiver though, so there's no room for any extra devices. I know modern TVs can send the audio from the TV to the receiver, so in theory he could plug the stick into the TV instead, but his one seems to only be able to send certain formats that way, and you can't see the receiver's overlay on the TV when using it that way, so it's impossible to adjust anything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PatochiDesu · 2023-11-21 19:21 the most important questions: what did they watch? what did you watch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ampix0 · 2023-11-21 19:21 What did you people expect? This is absurd lol. Go enjoy Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fuuman1 · 2023-11-21 19:23 Usw Jellyfin. Fuck Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hannsr · 2023-11-21 19:24 It's not just telling you, it's asking you to pick your settings. It's like a cookie consent, which is also legal. A lot of dark patterns, and I agree the default is such a dark pattern, but still legal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SnooPets20 · 2023-11-21 19:24 To people who self-host for privacy reasons, Plex was never an option. Just don't use it. Jellyfin exists, and it's great. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Noncoldbeef · 2023-11-21 19:25 I dunno, JellyFin is rough to use. I don't mind the corponess of Plex these days given what it allows and having intro skip. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ashooner · 2023-11-21 19:25 FWIW I sprang for the newest generation AppleTV and Infuse, and I haven't even worried about the state of Swiftfin since then. So it can be an option for setups that don't have other limitations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-11-21 19:26 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrSlaw · 2023-11-21 19:26 I mean, they gave users the option. If I ask you if you want ice-cream, and you tell me no. Is that not "opting-out"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gspitman · 2023-11-21 19:27 How much are you paying to Plex to use their servers allowing you to stream from your home? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- suddenlypenguins · 2023-11-21 19:29 Same thing happened to me today, two friends randomly and separately messaged asking why they were getting notified about what I was watching. I feel quite violated about this and certainly trust Plex a lot less. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ShellDude01 · 2023-11-21 19:30 Have you though? I bought a lifetime license ages ago and haven't spent a dime since. Please elaborate on "a lot of money". This should be good. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Smile_lifeisgood · 2023-11-21 19:33 Which is fair, right? I don't mind someone preferring a product or ignoring the warning signs because of features. For me, I found plex more rough to use - specifically when it came to user management. I didn't really understand how it was centralized and my roommates had to create a plex account to get to my local plex server. And I didn't like how if you're using plex pass + multi users you will lose the ability to view your own media in the event of an internet outage preventing people from authenticating with plex. (The oft-discussed workaround never worked for me as I believe that's a single-user free plex thing But if you're just a person sitting at home with no users then yeah, I can see how plex would be just fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- polyocto · 2023-11-21 19:35 I just opted out of Plex. The real push for me was when I couldn’t watch Netflix to an ISP outage, and I discovered that I needed an internet connection to watch local content!? I’ve just gone old school for now and just use a Pi based samba share and VLC on my Apple TV. I keep meaning to check out Kodi, but my current setup is good enough, even if it feels kludgy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- beef-ster · 2023-11-21 19:35 infuse much more polished than swiftfin, as it should be since its a paid, closed source mature-ish product. atv + infuse + jellyfin backend has been mostly good for me ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Loose-Biscotti6737 · 2023-11-21 19:36 I pay monthly because I figured they'd get more out of $5 a month than me waiting for a coupon to buy a lifetime pass once. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Izzouille · 2023-11-21 19:37 When the Apple TV version is finally stable, I'll switch to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Judman13 · 2023-11-21 19:37 Yep needed plex accounts to access my server remotely (without some sort of hack workaround) was the final straw for me. Now jellyfin isn't flawless, but it a hell of a lot better than plex for user controls, privacy and keeping their bullshit free content out of my life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Loose-Biscotti6737 · 2023-11-21 19:37 Sue ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Legitimate_Farm_3095 · 2023-11-21 19:38 thats their own fault for just clicking through and not reading what is on the screen. i got the message, i adjusted my settings, i didnt get no email. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Legitimate_Farm_3095 · 2023-11-21 19:38 no, it's the users issue because they didnt pay attention to what was on the screen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironicbadger · 2023-11-21 19:41 It was DM3 actually. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- frostycakes · 2023-11-21 19:42 I think Vizio doesn't have a Jellyfin app either, unless they're also using Android under the hood like Fire TV? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ShellDude01 · 2023-11-21 19:44 What do you think Disney, Max, Paramount, Apple, Google, your ISP, political party, favorite church is doing with the measly $5 you give them monthly? I'm just saying, the OP here has a very naive concept of capitalism and clearly didn't read the TOS. And yeah, I really believe you when you suggest that you are paying them $5 a month rather than have a lifetime pass because you're trying to help them out lol. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PS-freak · 2023-11-21 19:47 Same for me. I test now jellyfin and emby and will migrate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tariandeath · 2023-11-21 19:49 What do you mean? I have used chromecast with Jellyfin many times. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FUCKUSERNAME2 · 2023-11-21 19:53 Am I the only one who wasn't auto-opted in? Don't think I've ever changed my account settings in the past and when I checked this was already off. Never received the pop up that some people are mentioning either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -eschguy- · 2023-11-21 19:55 You have to use the Play Store version ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Noncoldbeef · 2023-11-21 19:55 That's fair. While there are other people who use my Plex, it's not their sole source of streaming. So it really is just me and the wife. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- airclay · 2023-11-21 19:56 *Sure* but, it's also predatory... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ArcadeRivalry · 2023-11-21 19:57 I opted out on my profile and my dumbass friend I'm sharing my library with appears to have opted in. Now I see his stupid watching activity. It seems if you opt out you're just opting out of your information being shared with friends, not vice versa ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mexter · 2023-11-21 19:58 Only if not answering results in you not receiving ice cream. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lau-ie · 2023-11-21 20:01 Design of that banner is a bit hard to compare to a normal style cookie banner. There is an argument to make that the default choice should be "share with nobody", because it should be opt-in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrkesu · 2023-11-21 20:04 I've been a Flex Pass lifetime user since 2018 and I honestly feel like I got my money's worth during that time so I can't complain \_too\_ much, but I'm absolutely ready to switch. They only focus on money-grab features these days, and playback & subtitle issues are getting worse every update. I never bothered \_too\_ much about the privacy stuff, but after they got so "me me me" focused I trust them less with my data. I'm just waiting for the Jellyfin Tizen-version to be approved (Samsung OS "app store") and once that's done I'm immediately switching. *I have Jellyfin on Chromecast, but unfortunately my TV doesn't supports Dolby Atmos passthrough, so only native apps support it (+ Chromecast is just a bit sluggish)* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DickCamera · 2023-11-21 20:06 FYI, my setting is marked inactive, I do remember the in-your-face popup on my tv and I disabled all of the sharing. Still got an email this morning. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bossdaddyelonmusk · 2023-11-21 20:08 This entire thing just sounds like a skill issue on your part for not checking your settings since apparently they sent something out to everyone and you just chose to click past it. It is not the company's fault you refused to read like an adult. ​ I hate companies as much as you do but you don't get to whine when you absolve all responsibility in protecting yourself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Stetsed · 2023-11-21 20:09 I also recently installed it on Tizen(Samsung's OS) and using the docker container([https://github.com/babagreensheep/jellyfin-tizen- docker](https://github.com/babagreensheep/jellyfin-tizen-docker)) it was stupidly easy and the hardest part was enabling developer mode. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PleaseChooseAUsrname · 2023-11-21 20:09 Do you understand how Plex works? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- br14n · 2023-11-21 20:10 I remember this exact thing when the feature rolled out. It wasn't hidden on my end and I had full control over leaving it enabled. Now if I only had friends using Plex to enjoy it with. lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pseudoanon · 2023-11-21 20:10 DM hasn't been good since dm2: The Mothering. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Catsrules · 2023-11-21 20:11 3 was OK but not as good as the original. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- barrows_arctic · 2023-11-21 20:12 Give Emby a try, if you have the time. It's a solid "middle ground". I was getting fed up with some of the Plex stuff, and tried out JellyFin, and my experience matches yours: not terribly stable, massive memory hog on the server side, and the clients were just awful. Especially when you compare all of that to the stability, usability, and efficiency of Plex. Emby is somewhere in the middle: the server side does not hog memory, is pretty easy to set up, appears stable (~2 months in), and feels like a drop-in replacement for Plex but without all the noise. The clients are polished *enough*, meaning they are WAY better than JellyFin clients, but not quite as polished and mature as the Plex stuff. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eivamu · 2023-11-21 20:13 First of all, I have never ever seen this splash screen and taken any choice. Secondly, to be GDPR compliant it *must* be opt-in — always. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Loose-Biscotti6737 · 2023-11-21 20:13 >What do you think Disney, Max, Paramount, Apple, Google, your ISP, political party, favorite church is doing with the measly $5 you give them monthly? I don't care I pirate all my shit anyway. >And yeah, I really believe you when you suggest that you are paying them $5 a month rather than have a lifetime pass because you're trying to help them out lol. I mean I do tho. I could easily get the lifetime pass right now for 25% off. But I still do the monthly $5. Mainly because I pirate everything I want and have like no other subscriptions. So yeah $5 to them for making my 60TB of shit easier to share with my fam seems like a no-brainer there. How are you enjoying your first year of community college? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gspitman · 2023-11-21 20:14 Yes, the point is that if you're using the "free" service, they as a company owe you exactly nothing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SigmaSays · 2023-11-21 20:14 Sure, technically it's legal/acceptable practice. It's also an extreme asshole move and Plex deserves to be shamed publicly and loudly until they fix it. "They gave users a choice" is a bad-faith argument when they are fully aware their predatory practices will result in a reasonably large percentage of their tech-illiterate users to get sucked in. This exact flavor of behavior is what leads to increasingly specific tech laws being passed in the EU to protect consumers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lilolalu · 2023-11-21 20:18 I have been using JF via Chromecast exclusively. There are some quirks where subtitles get stuck. But generally it works fine, so what do you mean? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExcitingTabletop · 2023-11-21 20:18 They shouldn't have to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- yakadoodle123 · 2023-11-21 20:19 I had this too. When it asked if I wanted to opt in / share my watching history etc I declined and opted out. However I still received the email today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hannsr · 2023-11-21 20:20 Yeah it's a bit more "in your face", just a comparison that is totally legal to only show the option to customize your choice. And I totally agree - "nobody" should be the default. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- alcal · 2023-11-21 20:22 If you’re using an Apple TV then check out Infuse — it can also just be pointed to a samba share like VLC but it pulls metadata etc and is overall so much better. And yes the paid version is worth it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IWIKapps · 2023-11-21 20:22 But can you put a lock on users thats not a complete sign in each time? Basically want to lock an adult account and unlock a kids account ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 4635403accountslater · 2023-11-21 20:22 Wait, does Plex have VR clients or handle VR streams? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExcitingTabletop · 2023-11-21 20:23 I actually paid for the premium service because I'm lazy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ZeFGooFy · 2023-11-21 20:24 I really don’t know why plex is mentioned anywhere in the self-hosted communities because it’s waaaay too bonded to their platform for data exfiltration I rm -fr plex just 12 minutes after installing it for the first time ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ShellDude01 · 2023-11-21 20:24 I'd be the oldest person there if that were the case .. by about 35 years. So you pirate all your media... Makes sense now. I wouldn't want my library indexed either if it was all pirated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ZeFGooFy · 2023-11-21 20:26 You’re the product mate, why don’t you accept it already? Or stop whining and switch to some real self-hosted platform ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jimbabwe · 2023-11-21 20:28 Plex crossed a line when they asked for my email and made me create a non-self-hosted account. Nope. Uninstalled. Fuck plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lolxxxlol · 2023-11-21 20:30 It asked me about these settings on my first login after the change. A lot of people seem mad at something they agreed to because they clicked through a box without reading it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheMrRyanHimself · 2023-11-21 20:30 I was opted out and my friend still got the email about stuff I watched so that’s always comforting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hannsr · 2023-11-21 20:30 The "agree" button is the opt-in, legally speaking. You get information about a change, can pick your favorite setting, then agree. Again: I totally agree that the default should be to "share with nobody"and that setting it to "friends" as default is not customer friendly but shady at best. >I have never ever seen this splash screen and taken any choice. Can't argue about what you saw or not - I only know I got that prompt on 2 accounts, one of which is new and the other about 5-6 years old now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zn448sk39 · 2023-11-21 20:31 How? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IndexTwentySeven · 2023-11-21 20:33 Been on Jellyfin for quite some time now. No login needed for any user and no tie into their system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- elroypaisley · 2023-11-21 20:33 And the shitshow continues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-11-21 20:33 > You’re the product mate Not really. I paid $100 for a lifetime license. That argument is made for "free" products that are supported by ads. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Forsaken_Ad242 · 2023-11-21 20:33 Isn't the content of that email what the other people see though? If you disable your sharing, then yours won't be shared but others might be unless they decide to disable it. I opted out of those emails. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- da_frakkinpope · 2023-11-21 20:34 Came here for this. Read OP's first paragraph. His porn stash was outed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CambodianJerk · 2023-11-21 20:35 Maybe so. But if nobody pays then it never gets started and we never get a decent experience.. Ergo, Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AKAManaging · 2023-11-21 20:36 Okay. Many of us have paid for the service. What do they owe us? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- elfenars · 2023-11-21 20:37 You obviously don't know or understand how GDPR works. The fact you set up privacy settings before this dtarted happening is exactly why they need to notify and ask for users permission to do it. The conditions that agreed to changed and therefore the company can't implement something like this without changing letting you accept the change. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RedditSlayer2020 · 2023-11-21 20:37 Today you learned "Nature of Capitalism 101" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrSlaw · 2023-11-21 20:37 > This exact flavor of behavior is what leads to increasingly specific tech laws being passed in the EU to protect consumers. I guess I just can't help but feel like there's a reasonably large difference between expecting a user to read through 10 pages of legalese in a ToS/license agreement, vs presenting them a single full- screen splash screen with size 500-pt font that has two options to choose from... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- odsquad64 · 2023-11-21 20:38 I guess I thought they meant that if my friends were genuinely interested they'd be able to click to see my watch history on Plex Web which seems distinctly different from sending my mother-in-law an email about what I've been watching. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RedditSlayer2020 · 2023-11-21 20:39 They still share your data with BIG DATA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NoDadYouShutUp · 2023-11-21 20:42 Adding an IP to the settings to allow access without authentication isnt a hack work around. It’s a plain as day configuration option. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Still-Snow-3743 · 2023-11-21 20:44 I watch porn on my bedroom tv which I have downloaded sometimes. I really don't care if my tv or plex knows that, but I would rather my parents not know that 'hey you guys are into the same porn' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Symnet · 2023-11-21 20:46 lmao ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ursa_Solaris · 2023-11-21 20:48 Sorry, but at this point all proprietary services have realized they can both sell a service to you and also sell you to a service. To do otherwise is to commit the greatest sin under capitalism: leaving money on the table. Being a paying customer isn't enough anymore, you must also be milked. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ursa_Solaris · 2023-11-21 20:50 "It is the user's fault for falling into the trap laid with the intent of catching those users." Actually it's the fault of the people who laid the trap, and anybody who thinks otherwise is just wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-21 20:50 I like how choice for software boil down to two options: 1. Something that is free, but jank. With devs that have no ideas how a normal person would use things. So the tech side gets updated but the user facing stuff is always a mess if it even exists in the first place. 2. Something that is paid for, but also has ads, and collects user info to sell it. 3x the revenue streams! Oh we have some features but we dont care about those and havent for years. That is why they perform the same way they did 20 years ago. On top of all software being poorly designed around touchscreens only, so I get to click on things like the software was designed for a 1980s Apple computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- skooterz · 2023-11-21 20:50 Where do you do this? What's the setting called? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gspitman · 2023-11-21 20:50 Whatever value you see spending that money is worth. Would you give up Plex to save that monthly fee and spend it elsewhere? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ursa_Solaris · 2023-11-21 20:51 Clearly life should be nothing but dodging traps and tricks nonstop from all directions, and if you get hit it's your own fault. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Accomplished-Lack721 · 2023-11-21 20:53 "Discover Together" is the Venmo of movie watching. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SigmaSays · 2023-11-21 20:53 I genuinely wish your expectations of the average user weren't considered high, but they are. That's just where we're at. Failing to acknowledge that is just bad-faith, plain and simple. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Careful_Stand_35 · 2023-11-21 20:59 The original, Dommy Mommies - The Motherf**kers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-11-21 21:02 Amen to self-hosted! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- exegamer76 · 2023-11-21 21:02 Just to make this slightly easier to find. You can opt out of the settings with the following: * Go to [https://app.plex.tv/desktop/#!/profile/edit](https://app.plex .tv/desktop/#!/profile/edit) * Click on "Privacy Settings" at the bottom of the page * Dialog pops up where you can change stuff to private ​ The longer version is as follows, if you want to find the setting more organically: * Go to [https://app.plex.tv/](https://app.plex.tv/) * Find "Discover" in the left hand bar, either it's pinned or under "More" -> "Plex" -> "Discover" * Click "Edit Profile" button * Click on "Privacy Settings" at the bottom of the page * Dialog pops up where you can change stuff to private ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Znuffie · 2023-11-21 21:03 Samsung TVs run Tizen OS, not Android TV, so obviously no "Google Play Store". Also apps are pretty restricted, most are just able to use web- technologies, so nothing heavy-handed. The process in getting TV Apps approved on platforms like Samsung's Tizen OS is pretty annoying for most developers/open-source stuff. There __is__ an actual app for Tizen TVs, but it needs to be sideloaded manually: https://github.com/jeppevinkel/jellyfin-tizen- builds ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kidz94 · 2023-11-21 21:05 Yeah, no. Ive tried both. Jellyfin aint there yet. Give it a year or 2. Ill be back for it im sure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ursa_Solaris · 2023-11-21 21:06 Modern marketing attempts to make people associate their chosen brands with their own personality. You didn't just exchange money for goods and/or services, you're *part of a community*. Criticizing their brand then feels like you're attacking them, and so they lash out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ashooner · 2023-11-21 21:07 Infuse and nzb360 for android are two commercial products that I've been happy to support for what they bring to the home media server stack. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- utopiah · 2023-11-21 21:07 Me chuckling with my basic DLNA server fitting on a RPi Zero. Sure I don't get pretty thumbnails or can only resume from the same device but... it's my stuff. Nobody gets to know, even less say, about it. I find it so weird that Plex and "turn key" solutions like that get promoted here so often. TL;DR: absolutely wrong indeed but come on, if you have to make any account, you should know the gig is up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FallenFromTheLadder · 2023-11-21 21:07 This is why Plex has never touched my disk and why my only choice is Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ursa_Solaris · 2023-11-21 21:09 >Yes I know I could tweak things to get around it, but I'm of the opinion that once you have to start doing workarounds like that it is only a matter of time. My rule on workarounds is that I only do them to make things work, not break the things I don't want to work. I prefer the positive energy of fixing all the things I want to have, not the negative energy of dismantling all the things I don't want to have. When something starts making me do the latter, I start looking for something else. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken_Mcnutt · 2023-11-21 21:11 Every time Plex pulls some BS like this I get re-amazed that there are actually people that willingly use and *pay* for that service... Like I fundamentally can't understand the mindset of someone who would go through all the trouble to acquire, organize, and host a media collection *specifically* to evade the clutches of greedy corporations asking for endless subscriptions, and then turn around and pick a *different* corporation to give their money to... What value could they **possibly** provide that makes it worth them snooping on your activity, putting every good feature behind a paywall, and losing access to **your own** media if *their* auth servers are down? And all I keep hearing about are "apps apps apps". Like it's worth all that so you don't have to run an HDMI from your laptop to the TV??? I don't get it. If all those fancy Plex features are a dealbreaker to you, why not just put the money toward donating to Jellyfin so they can implement those features for the good of everyone? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R0GG3R · 2023-11-21 21:12 Chromecast in JF never worked... When I click the chromecast icon in JF "Play On" (top right) I get "Google Cast Unsupported". How did you manage to get it working? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ursa_Solaris · 2023-11-21 21:12 >and the innate sense of ownership plex must have to feel enabled to do this. I mean, yeah. It's proprietary software. It doesn't matter if or what you paid, they still own it, not you. This is why FOSS is important, and it's why we will keep beating this drum over and over until folks listen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Scuczu2 · 2023-11-21 21:13 pretty sure there was a big "opt in" option when my server booted up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken_Mcnutt · 2023-11-21 21:14 I've been downvoted to hell in *this* sub for criticizing Plex. Everyone's all DIY and anti-corporate until it comes to Plex, then it's "yes please, another subscription service please take my money". Why self host if you're just gonna half ass it and let corpos in anyways? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R0GG3R · 2023-11-21 21:15 iPhone has no Play Store. I got the app from the AppStore for iPhone, no luck, chromecast does not work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ListRepresentative32 · 2023-11-21 21:15 when people open the app, they want to watch stuff, not read a screen full of text. ofc they click through stuff, I am guilty of that too. I say this as a person who never used plex but this post caught my attention and yes, this is absolutely an asshole move by them ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -eschguy- · 2023-11-21 21:16 Ohhh, that's too bad then. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken_Mcnutt · 2023-11-21 21:20 If everyone stopped making these excuses to support a crappy organization and instead put those endless Plex subscriptions into a few modest Jellyfin donations, I'm sure we would have a lot of mature apps for JF 🤷 I just plug a laptop into the TV, really can't be simpler. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- johanpupin · 2023-11-21 21:25 Emby :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarthNihilus · 2023-11-21 21:29 You need to be hosting jellyfin behind a reverse proxy so that it works through https. Chromecast doesn't support unsecured sources. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- burntoc · 2023-11-21 21:34 Hasn't been an issue in the several years I've been using it. I abandoned my lifetime Plex Pass and never looked back. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Expensive_Finger_973 · 2023-11-21 21:35 I had not really thought about it that way before, but that does summarize a lot of why I do a lot of things the way I do them or use the technology I use the way I use it. I need to remember the quote so I can use it in future conversations, it would make me seem a lot smarter than I am,lol. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GoTeamScotch · 2023-11-21 21:36 Personally, I'm getting increasingly annoyed with my Fire Stick. It's kind of sluggish, and *very* locked-down. You used to be able to sideload a custom home launcher, but Amazon is cracking down on that. Their launcher is filled with bloat and ads. Recently I've noticed mine auto-playing Amazon Prime video trailers on boot which makes me want to throw it out the window. I have JF installed on my Samsung (Tizen) TV and it works great. And the TV will auto-launch back into JF on boot... something I wish Fire Stick allowed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GoTeamScotch · 2023-11-21 21:37 PSA: Pre-built images are available, which avoids having to compile the app yourself. [https://github.com/jeppevinkel/jellyfin-tizen- builds](https://github.com/jeppevinkel/jellyfin-tizen-builds) The install process is pretty straightforward. I'd recommend giving it a try. More or less copying commands, then you're left with the Jellyfin client on the TV. Works great once installed. No Kodi sadly though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AKAManaging · 2023-11-21 21:41 What monthly fee? I paid for lifetime. What do they owe me? If they've changed policies since when I previously signed up, what do they owe me, as a paid customer? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gaming09 · 2023-11-21 21:41 I got downvote to hell when I posted about this, no one believed me when I said Plex was doing this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- horus-heresy · 2023-11-21 21:44 This tribalism is so silly and with such strong emotional attachment. Sheeesh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R0GG3R · 2023-11-21 21:45 Yup... I have a reverse proxy. Chromecast in Emby works, Chromecast in JellyFin doesn't. Really wierd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GoTeamScotch · 2023-11-21 21:45 Been using JF for about a year now and it's been one of my favorite piece of open-source software ever. It's been remarkably stable for me. Never used Plex so I'm kind of oblivious to if it's better, but JF does what I need. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- one-joule · 2023-11-21 21:47 It's more like, you're ordering dinner at a restaurant, and the menu has fine print along the bottom saying "You agree to purchase ice cream with your order unless you tell the server otherwise." *Technically* the option was there for you to see, but it's so far outside the norm that it's absolutely malicious. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eZtaR · 2023-11-21 21:48 Looking for the same thing! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scfw0x0f · 2023-11-21 21:50 AppleTV + Infuse ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Independent-Pace-311 · 2023-11-21 21:52 I prefer emby to be honest? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ich_hab_deine_Nase · 2023-11-21 21:54 Plex has been a privacy shitshow for quite some time now, so no surprise here. People that are still using Plex have lost control over their lives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ButCaptainThatsMYRum · 2023-11-21 21:54 Haven't seen anything remotely like that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- elfenars · 2023-11-21 21:57 It's even easier, just report it to the GDPR office in your country, and they take it from there. It actually works, just like all things EU it takes a while, but they will reach out to the company, and since the fines are percentages of annual revenue the companies usually do pay attention. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ich_hab_deine_Nase · 2023-11-21 21:58 He's 100% right, fuck Plex. Let them bleed and die in a fire. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gspitman · 2023-11-21 22:00 As a lifetime customer I guess you could ask for your money back. I'm sure there's some clause in their fine print that they can change whatever they want though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FlamboVeteran690 · 2023-11-21 22:05 Its so fucking weird. I tried to turn it all off and they just turned back on again after a reboot. This is an invasion of privacy. We dont SelfHost to be fingered. Fuck Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tamdelay · 2023-11-21 22:08 Why would anyone ever use plex anyway? It’s crap software, barely works, horrible bloat. It’s not good now and it never has been! Just stream direct to VLC or Infuse or similar over SFTP, and its not only a better experience (often better performance) but it also genuinely will not be tracking what you watch, doesn’t need login credentials, and it’s a far more true self hosted experience. Just serve the files and watch, it doesn’t need to be so complicated. Failing that - if you really need transcoding and perfectly maintained libraries - please give jellyfin some support. Only reason I can think anyone might want Plex is if you have nothing to play back on apart from a smart TV or something with built in apps and only has Plex and no other options… in which case, seriously, just spend $50 on a chromecast with android TV apps and use a better app to doing your playing back, smart TVs aren’t any good either so you are just doubling up on shit in that scenario with Plex on a smart tv ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarthNihilus · 2023-11-21 22:09 Then yeah idk that makes no sense to me. The only time I had problems with Jellyfin chromecast was when I wasn't on https. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- atreides4242 · 2023-11-21 22:11 I don’t care if there is a setting to disable this or not. I made the right choice when I decided to go in with Jellyfin over Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:13 lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:14 You are still the product and kind of a sucker. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:15 It is your fault for still using it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- soutmezguine · 2023-11-21 22:15 Just here to say same LOL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MinerAlum · 2023-11-21 22:16 I bought a lifetime subscription to plex too ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nigelfish90 · 2023-11-21 22:16 How and why (I know there's maybe a few niche case "whys") people still choose to use Plex over the competition blows my mind. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:17 lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:18 You prove that for being silly enough to pay them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pissy_corn_flakes · 2023-11-21 22:18 Disabling security isn’t a hack work around? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrorbitman · 2023-11-21 22:18 UNACCEPTABLE. Officially decommissioning Plex server in exchange for Jellyfin. Also, plex CHARGES $5 to “activate” an iOS device… to reach MY server??? Plex is an insult to self hosting. Also, if the WAN internet goes out, Plex cannot play local content. It requires phoning home to Plex servers in order to load anything. DISGUSTING. Absolutely revolted by this email. Also my friend is watching cringe stuff lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- duckofdeath87 · 2023-11-21 22:19 There is an opt out for sharing the data, but GDPR says you have to have an Opt In to data *collection* , not sharing. I don't see a *collection* opt in, just a sharing one ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NeuroDawg · 2023-11-21 22:20 >Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about this as a server admin, because technically these are Plex users and their marketing email preferences are controlled on the user side in the Plex website preferences. Not on your server. Of course you can do something about this. Switch to Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cdheer · 2023-11-21 22:21 I feel like collecting downvotes today. Let’s go. ^ Like I fundamentally can't understand the mindset of someone who would go through all the trouble to acquire, organize, and host a media collection specifically to evade the clutches of greedy corporations asking for endless subscriptions, and then turn around and pick a different corporation to give their money to... Sport, if you go through life without ever giving money to corporations, how are you even on the internet? ^ What value could they possibly provide that makes it worth them snooping on your activity Smooth interface, easy set up and mgmt, apps on virtually every platform, and a snap for my remote users to use. ^ putting every good feature behind a paywall Are you just learning they’re a for-profit company? ^ and losing access to your own media if their authservers are down? That doesn’t happen if you set your local subnet as not requiring auth. Hardly a secret feature; it comes up weekly on r/plex. ^ And all I keep hearing about are "apps apps apps". Like it's worth all that so you don't have to run an HDMI from your laptop to the TV??? Because I don’t WANT to use my laptop. Also, have fun getting your laptop to do Dolby Vision. Also also, none of my remote users would bother using a laptop. Not everyone even HAS one, y’know. ^ I don't get it. If all those fancy Plex features are a dealbreaker to you, why not just put the money toward donating to Jellyfin so they can implement those features for the good of everyone? Because in the mean time, it doesn’t have those features, and it doesn’t have apps on all platforms. And in my personal opinion, it’s hideous. You and I have different use cases and priorities. That’s totally fine. What’s not fine is your inability to understand that not everyone has the same use case as you. You should work on that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:23 Why would you install Kodi to use Jellyfin? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:25 Then why use the shit when you can get a GoogleTV stick for less than 20 bucks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:26 Yes it does. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:27 lol what a joke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:28 lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- norebly · 2023-11-21 22:28 Android required, no iphonies Jk, i eagerly await ios support but for now android only ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheDarthSnarf · 2023-11-21 22:28 Legally speaking it is not an opt-in under GDPR. And every sharing change would need to be opted into when they choose to implement. It requires affirmative consent, not implied consent. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CreativeDimension · 2023-11-21 22:29 There was 2 more after the first one?! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mb4x4 · 2023-11-21 22:30 Yep agreed. Btwn emby and JF the former is far more polished/complete. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- preclowski · 2023-11-21 22:31 Bye bye plex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- anthonylavado · 2023-11-21 22:31 I don't normally step in to threads like this, but the memory thing was finally solved: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/pull/10454 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NoDadYouShutUp · 2023-11-21 22:36 Setting your configuration options is not a hack. It's configuring your app. Standard operating procedure. A hack would be modifying the code or some sort of janky work around. This is the equivalent of giving your server a friendly name, or editing which folders a library has. It's base functionality, not hidden, not obscure, and requires no additional hoop jumping. I don't think you'd classify "Scan My Library Periodically" setting a "hack". No different. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pissy_corn_flakes · 2023-11-21 22:37 Hack as in Jerry rig, shoddy, hackish. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- horus-heresy · 2023-11-21 22:38 My arr stack with Plex works as intended. I have about 10 people I’ve invited over the course of last 7 years. Ombi and other integrations just work for last 4 years and I rarely need to touch anything. Those strong emotions really make me think what am I missing here lol and how so y’all hate it so much. I have jellyfin consume same media library but never got around to using it beyond testing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:39 Next, you are going to be telling people to use KeypassXC. 😂 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NoDadYouShutUp · 2023-11-21 22:40 I'd still argue setting a basic configuration setting readily available to you is none of those things. It just happens to not be default. We are arguing over verbiage, when the discussion should probably be about whether being forced to do that is problematic. I don't think it is. No more so than selecting an audio device or adding a friend to your remote access. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:40 lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:41 it is ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kmce2017 · 2023-11-21 22:42 I went Jellyfin about 3 or so years ago and haven’t looked back. Usual bolt ons: *arrs, VPN, qbit but also add on Ombi or Jellyseer for requests, pre rolls, and reverse proxy. Good to go. Would like to add trailers as that has eluded me thus far. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dev-N-Danger · 2023-11-21 22:44 Off topic but will jellyfin allow me to watch my movies outside of my network? I’m using Jellyfin and thought about going to Plex for that reason alone. Doesn’t look like I will now ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MasaShifu · 2023-11-21 22:44 DM4 out already? Send link ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:45 What is hard about Jellyfin? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:46 lol what a crock of shit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:48 Never did. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pissy_corn_flakes · 2023-11-21 22:48 We are talking about the only alternative to having a cloud based authentication scheme being disabling all authentication entirely. In 2023. Not sure what having it as a configuration option has to do with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nestramutat- · 2023-11-21 22:51 ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nachohk · 2023-11-21 22:53 Is there any way to migrate Plex metadata to Jellyfin? Posters, ratings, playlists, collections, all that sort of thing? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- greyinyoface · 2023-11-21 22:54 I read the "We" in "Jellyfin January challenge WE did for the podcast" and had to double check the username. HUGE fan. Also yes, this really makes me consider making the switch to JellyFin entirely. Any recommendations for someone who hosts for their entire family and friend group? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primalbluewolf · 2023-11-21 22:54 It's great hardware. I just wish someone was making something at that price point that wasn't tied into the Meta ecosystem. Valve, I hope you're listening. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mintfresh22 · 2023-11-21 22:56 You comment was bullshit, hope this helps you understand. If you need me to, I can type slower for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- timetofocus51 · 2023-11-21 22:57 You can bypass that auth check. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primalbluewolf · 2023-11-21 22:57 > A lot of dark patterns Those dark patterns aren't legal on a cookie screen, either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NonchalantR · 2023-11-21 22:58 But plex is free? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scandii · 2023-11-21 22:59 I get your concern but I don't think it is an issue. 1. the data is between you and Plex. unlike torrents and VPN where pirate hunters can see an IP doing an illegal activity, pirate hunters have no legal rights to contact Plex and say "hi so got any streams of this movie that isn't out yet?". on top of that, unless Plex hosts filenames there's no way of knowing if your copy is legal or not, further complicating the matter. all in all I don't like this feature and I have NO idea who is asking for it, but it being a legal risk isn't it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primalbluewolf · 2023-11-21 22:59 Jellyfin is pretty great. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kopachke · 2023-11-21 23:00 Isn’t it an opt in feature? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scandii · 2023-11-21 23:00 I mean, they use this account to host middleware for you, namely to route people to your server. it is a strength of the Plex platform that it is plug'n'play, even if I see the argument that it is a wasted feature when you have no external users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- d-cent · 2023-11-21 23:02 I never even used Plex. Once I found out you couldn't even watch on your phone for free, it was off the list. The only feature I think I would want from Plex is web service. JF is pretty tough to set it up to access away from your LAN. It sounds luke Plex makes that easier. Other than that, there is no feature I need. JF looks and does everything fine for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-21 23:02 So is Windows. "Free" Its just all the useful features are buried behind a paywall and covered in shit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NonchalantR · 2023-11-21 23:03 Sounds like a personal choice then. I've used plex for nearly 10 years now without giving them a dime ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nestramutat- · 2023-11-21 23:04 Coming out very aggressive there. Is there any reason you feel personally attacked by my mixed experiences with Jellyfin? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Drumdevil86 · 2023-11-21 23:06 I ditched Plex immediately after I installed it for the first time, I think back in 2014/2015 or something, and found they were charging to use GPU offloading. That, together with the 'Plex pass', made me suspect that this was just the tip of the iceberg, and that they would work their way down, gradually taking away features, and sell your data. Not on my own god damn hardware you're not. Been happily using Kodi instead. Installed Jellyfin a few months ago, and still jizz in my pants every time I open it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primalbluewolf · 2023-11-21 23:07 Explain it for me? I don't get why social media exists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- StoicRun · 2023-11-21 23:07 So, “legally speaking”, the “accept” button does not count as consent under GDPR. However, in practice the DPAs will see this (which is technically opt- out) as one of the significantly lesser breaches out there, and won’t really pay any attention to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-21 23:10 No, you just over pay by looking at ads and selling your data. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- throwawayacc201711 · 2023-11-21 23:12 Why are you on Reddit - a social media platform? You can think of ANY reason to use a social media platform, seriously? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Still-Snow-3743 · 2023-11-21 23:14 The siren song is tempting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Znuffie · 2023-11-21 23:15 - extra remote - extra hardware etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Frostlike2816 · 2023-11-21 23:16 Yes, if I sign into Plex on my Quest 2's browser I can watch 3D movies. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primalbluewolf · 2023-11-21 23:17 Reddit isn't social media. It's also not a sensible response to the above, considering your platform just radically changed - so it's clear you aren't trying to discuss this in good faith. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ProbablePenguin · 2023-11-21 23:17 Less app support on TVs, server has to be entered manually instead of having an account with auto-discovery. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- L0ngcat55 · 2023-11-21 23:19 I still haven't found the option to out out of this ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jlambe7 · 2023-11-21 23:19 Is it just as simple as Plex to setup now? Tried jelly a couple years ago and it was a complete trainwreck to configure. Simple click and go would be perfect. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NonchalantR · 2023-11-21 23:20 What ads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- throwawayacc201711 · 2023-11-21 23:22 Please share the definition of social media. Reddit 100% falls into that category. I’ll show the Merriam Webster definition (unless that’s not good enough but I’ll also wait to review your definition): > forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sfcumguzzler · 2023-11-21 23:24 bonding with friends over a shared love of Treasure Island Media's masterpiece: What I Can't See 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 9935c101ab17a66 · 2023-11-21 23:25 If a form is pre-filled with a default value that is a change, then no, I’d argue it’s not opt in, it’s opt out. Opt in should require nothing from me if I don’t want to make the change. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel15 · 2023-11-21 23:25 No good alternative to Plexamp though :/ there's been some attempts to create an alternative but none are as good as Plexamp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lights-and-Sound · 2023-11-21 23:31 Okay, I'm not a fan of plex doing this, but it's completely on you that you didn't know until others emailed you. Plex literally plastered the feature and opt out as a full screen pop up upon logging in. I don't love that it was an opt out not opt in, but come on, you couldn't miss it. It's on you for not reading the full screen message to you specifically explaining everything in detail and asking if you want to opt out with one button click. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- polyocto · 2023-11-21 23:33 Thanks. I’ll check it out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional-Baby5740 · 2023-11-21 23:37 Now plex has future user data too?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ThreeLeggedChimp · 2023-11-21 23:40 >If someone was like "I prefer X" or "Meta Quest 3 has issues that I'm concerned about" I'm not gonna get angry and start downvoting them. That statement doesn't hold water when you consider many reddit discussions go like this. User A: Points out serious well known flaw that is acknowledged by the manufacturer to exist. User B: Well I've been using it and it works just fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- skooterz · 2023-11-21 23:40 After looking at this I *think* they may be referring to the Privacy Settings that can be found under My Profile > Privacy Settings. I just toggled them all to "Private". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- purplegreendave · 2023-11-21 23:46 - Hasn't used Plex in 8 years - Still browses and posts on /r/Plex to complain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- swiftb3 · 2023-11-21 23:48 Strange, I haven't experienced that, but I'm also connected to Amazon Canada, so maybe it's different. Even side loaded Steam Link to stream games and it works pretty well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bloomerich · 2023-11-21 23:52 If you don’t want this shared why did you not disable it on in the giant pop out asking you if you want to share this info? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mitch8b · 2023-11-21 23:53 Hope they fix this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- souam666 · 2023-11-21 23:53 I've got torn apart on the r/unraid for pointing out weaknesses, too, lol. I left everything plex both here and on facebook . I hate when these great products go from open mindness to toxic fanboy behavior on their social platform. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 8layer8 · 2023-11-21 23:55 As soon as that "Discover" bullshit showed up I knew this was the next step. No idea wtf they are thinking. Why is any of that important? Hey Layer8 is watching a pirated movie, maybe you want to watch it too! That is the stupidest marketing technique I've ever seen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 8layer8 · 2023-11-21 23:57 Guess it's too late to change the stupid name. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vokasak · 2023-11-21 23:57 This is basically why Plex only lasted about 30 minutes on my server. From startup, it was "recommending similar shows". It's pretty obvious it was doing some kind of calling home, and that's just not what I want from my media software. I switched to Jellyfin and haven't looked back. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MaxHedrome · 2023-11-21 23:59 they know literally zero people will opt in ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bloomerich · 2023-11-21 23:59 It’s valid because you have the accept button, similar to cookies when you don’t configure and accept. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- wireis · 2023-11-22 00:00 It is what it is, until it isn’t ---------------------------------------------------------------------- prodigalAvian · 2023-11-22 00:00 I got an email showing what my friends were watching on the ad- supported Plex library; this is not something I should ever receive in any context for any reason from a service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tomsrobots · 2023-11-22 00:04 I'm not going to walk my grandma through plugging her laptop into her TV when it's easier to download Plex on whatever device she's using and connect to my server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- agent-squirrel · 2023-11-22 00:15 Brand loyalty is beyond stupid. It's a product, if there is a better one, use that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primalbluewolf · 2023-11-22 00:15 >forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos) Its not really good enough, but I shouldn't expect anything less from the successor of Noah Webster's spelling abomination. By this definition, forums, wikipedia and usenet are all "social media". If this suits your intended usage, then by all means - but it does not suit mine. For clarity, social media in my usage implies, and requires, the use of your day-to-day identity. No username, merely your name. Twitter is borderline, depending on usage - Facebook very much in, reddit very much out - although depending on usage, it may be "social media adjacent". The root word being society - usenet is not part of day-to-day society, and your identity there is distinct from your identity at say, a barber shop - but your Facebook account is generally not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- agent-squirrel · 2023-11-22 00:15 "Works for me" - Anon01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-22 00:16 Go ahead and down vote me devs. I do not think anything you produce is worth money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SpongederpSquarefap · 2023-11-22 00:18 Jellyfin gets better every day The project has made incredible progress and never has trouble playing my files ---------------------------------------------------------------------- elk-x · 2023-11-22 00:19 Yes, but it's up to you to setup port forwarding and ip access in your home network. Which applies to any selfhosted app to be fair. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- villan · 2023-11-22 00:22 I keep Plex open in a tab all the time and never got any prompt for this new feature. The first i knew about it was my family getting the activity email today. After logging in on the Plex website to see wtf was going on, I got the prompt that allowed me to opt-out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- echelon37 · 2023-11-22 00:24 Agreed, but I are my options for a family server? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zSprawl · 2023-11-22 00:26 Can you share jellyfin with remote family? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thatsallweneed · 2023-11-22 00:26 We all know it's only a matter of time before it happens. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- agent-squirrel · 2023-11-22 00:28 Infuse is Apple only AFAIK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zSprawl · 2023-11-22 00:31 How is remote sharing in Jellyfin? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VelBarphette · 2023-11-22 00:33 Companies keep proving that they can’t be trusted with whatever autonomy they have. This must be mandated by law. Otherwise, they would do jackshit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SirEDCaLot · 2023-11-22 00:41 the fuck? it's a media server. Why do I want 'friends' involved at all? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SirEDCaLot · 2023-11-22 00:43 This is why I don't use Plex. I went to install it once because I heard it was good. It said the next step of the installer is make a plex online account so I can log in. I looked for the 'I don't want online I want local' option but I didn't see one. So I uninstalled. Nowhere did it explain what if any access Plex servers have to my media library (metadata or files), so I said no thanks I'll just go back to using folders. Glad to see I made the right choice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- libdemparamilitarywi · 2023-11-22 00:43 You can but then it logs everyone in as the admin account without any authentication, which isn't practical in a household with multiple users. There isn't a way I'm aware of to disable the remote auth check and keep local accounts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironicbadger · 2023-11-22 00:45 Can the mods pin this as the top comment? That would be helpful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DekiEE · 2023-11-22 00:45 It is. It is also the best app I have ever bought. Swiftfin is on a good way too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ironicbadger · 2023-11-22 00:48 There's a public record of my concerns for a few years now. https://selfhosted.show/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- agent-squirrel · 2023-11-22 00:49 Yeah I use it on all my Apple devices. Primarily the Apple TV. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- throwawayacc201711 · 2023-11-22 00:49 There is nothing that prevents someone from using their name or creating/associating their public identity with the Reddit. Just like you acknowledged with Twitter. Facebook doesn’t validate your identity - there is nothing (and there are many people that do) that stops someone from making accounts that obfuscate their identity. I do like the idea of their being an identity associated to make it “social media” - I just disagree that it has to be your in person or day-to-day identity, i just think a public online identity is sufficient. Example: when using Instagram: Names, gender identity and personal pronouns aren't required on Instagram. Doesn’t that violate your rule for social media? I don’t think there’s any doubt in anyone’s mind that Instagram is social media. There is absolutely no requirement with Instagram that you need to satisfy the day-to-day identity aspect. The lens I view on social media is it’s still tied to who you are it’s just a matter of how much of you’re public identity you want to hide from social media. Reddit allows for a more limited view but still I think constitutes social media. And that can go to as public as you want a la Facebook or somewhere in between like Instagram and Twitter. I do appreciate the back and forth on this. It definitely made me think more on what I think social media is ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hovercraft11 · 2023-11-22 00:51 Where is it in profile? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jeanball44 · 2023-11-22 00:52 Exactly this. People are so freak sometime for nothing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jeanball44 · 2023-11-22 00:54 had the same reaction of you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TattooedBrogrammer · 2023-11-22 00:54 Problem is my user base are TV and mostly non technical people. No way they setup and maintain a JellyFin install. That’s why Plex just wins. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EBoundNdwn · 2023-11-22 00:55 At least it wasn't backdoor sluts 9... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- duckofdeath87 · 2023-11-22 00:56 Where is that? I only see the sharing settings, not the collection opt out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- libdemparamilitarywi · 2023-11-22 00:56 It's not just a wasted feature, it creates unecessary problems like not being able to log in locally when the Plex authentication server is down. I'm sure the middleware features are great for people who use them, but those who don't should be able to create self hosted accounts too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Man_Bear_Beaver · 2023-11-22 00:59 I remember there being a prompt about it and specially I checked no fucking way am I sharing. Maybe op doesn't read shit? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gold-Ranger · 2023-11-22 00:59 Exact same here! Just got back to plex. JF was working fine for me for every use case, but other people always had issues playing stuff. Devided to redownload PMS and everyone is now finw on my server. I loved me some jellyfin, it just needs more eyes on it to get development going by bringing in new people who can contribute to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primalbluewolf · 2023-11-22 01:01 I don't use instagram and have no idea what is and isn't required, but I'd have labelled it social media without a concern. Perhaps with that in mind, reddit is closer than I'd like to think. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VivisClone · 2023-11-22 01:01 So, I've only recently heard of jellyfin. But I've been using Plex for over a decade it feels. And I have literally 0 issues or reason to change. I paid for lifetime premium way back when and have loved it. What are all these issues people keep saying Plex has and why should I do jf over Plex? Genuinely asking, thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Labeled90 · 2023-11-22 01:03 Has jellyfin's UI improved? My wife preferred plex, and plex has a native Samsung app 😮‍💨 As much as I want to switch, Samsung app store has me stuck currently. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hemicrusher · 2023-11-22 01:08 Do any of you check your privacy settings? Because you can turn off sharing data with other users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Uninterested_Viewer · 2023-11-22 01:08 The writing has been on the wall for a long time that we'll all be moving to Jellyfin, it's just a matter of them hitting some of the feature parity that keeps some of us on PLEX. Getting close and I'll be happy for that day. To be clear, I'm still on PLEX for now and no, it's not a privacy thing because I generally don't care and my library is all my own legal rips. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrln-1970 · 2023-11-22 01:09 My friends are asking me why i watch so many Linux ISOs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0xTech · 2023-11-22 01:09 I'm happy with Jellyfin. It takes a few minutes to set up in a Docker container and has apps for all major platforms and a web interface. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- XandrosUM · 2023-11-22 01:10 Is there an Xbox client? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- requion · 2023-11-22 01:11 If you ask me and i say nothing, do you force me to eat ice-cream? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Big-Finding2976 · 2023-11-22 01:13 I checked and his TV is a Samsung UE40ES5500 which he bought in 2013, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't use Tizen unfortunately. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ONE_BIG_LOAD · 2023-11-22 01:18 Yeah doesn't look like it or at least it's a very old version of Tizen. Next best option is a Google TV or Amazon Fire TV stick. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Khuy_Lewis · 2023-11-22 01:21 isn't that against Reddit rules? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ksantoshh · 2023-11-22 01:22 You can side load Jellyfin if you are on Samsung Tizen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- buffer2722 · 2023-11-22 01:27 No, it shouldn't have been opt in. The data to make it a feature should not even be collected without specific permission. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rubenel · 2023-11-22 01:29 I use Synology Video. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lmamakos · 2023-11-22 01:34 Great, another stalker. Glad I bailed out a year or more ago to Jellyfin. Is plex trying to accelerate their "customer" fleeing their platform? I'm pretty sure that one of the most important financial metrics they report is number of active users, and I'd think they'd be trying *real hard* to avoid customer churn. Sending out that "we're watching you" creepy vibe seems counterproductive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ThatFireGuy0 · 2023-11-22 01:35 This is why I use Kodi. Nothing leaves my home network, and I directly control all data myself Well, one of the reasons I use Kodi at least ---------------------------------------------------------------------- parabola949 · 2023-11-22 01:36 I mean.... Plex didn't force you to friend anyone, and explained what being "friends" meant (being able to view their watching / rating / etc) so... Sorry you didn't bother to read? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MasterChiefmas · 2023-11-22 01:36 That's a fair point, though I personally never got that feeling off of Plex. I suppose I could see the community play, though I don't feel like Plex tries that actively a whole lot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mauvehead · 2023-11-22 01:45 Don’t forget every email provider who accepted the email (and all three letter agencies who monitor unencrypted email) also have that info now as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- greenlightison · 2023-11-22 01:46 Plex crossed the line a long time ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 12_nick_12 · 2023-11-22 01:49 And if JF won't work for you, Emby is pretty decent as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- metajames · 2023-11-22 01:54 Is there some way to send a invite to someone from your jellyfin where they just need to install the app and follow your link? Or some other way to seriously streamline install and setup? The whole use this hostname and managing reverse proxy etc is the reason I have not switched. It's just not user friendly for a grandma or typical consumer. That's the majority of my users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 01:55 I left Plex as soon as they made it a pain to not use cloud logins. Wtf? Why are you asking me to look g into MY system through your server? Get outta here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- powerfulparadox · 2023-11-22 01:56 It doesn't matter if Plex is actively promoting the mentality or not. People have been trained to think that way by a gazillion other companies so they'll think the same way about Plex unless they're actively trying not to (or have a thought system that enables being resistant to such thought patterns, of course). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 01:57 It's not even like this subreddit is immune to the issue... If this thread was about how easy Plex in docker is and someone points out, "yeah but privacy sucks".. the down voted still come. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 01:59 You either pay attention and see people getting jerked around... Or you don't and you live in blissful ignorance... Until start jerking you around. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 02:02 > This is an absolutely egregious overreach. This. Should. Not. Have. Happened ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 02:04 So go sue them... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Encrypt-Keeper · 2023-11-22 02:05 Is this auto-generated username defending dark patterns? What a surprise lmao ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 02:06 > Doesn't collecting this info from local files potentially open them or us up to lawsuits Yes. Your liability is less... But someone like op.. sharing with friends could get in trouble if copyright holders ever legally obtained this info... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- panda-brain · 2023-11-22 02:09 You can go to "account settings" -> "mange emails" (right under "email subscription settings") and deactivate "Email me a summary of my friends activity" I don't have friends on Plex app I can't verify, but that sounds like the option you are looking for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 02:09 Yes. You'll have to port forward if you don't want to configure VPN for them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Atomz00 · 2023-11-22 02:11 Yeah gross. I have 7 people who use my plex. They have all been provided logins. I set up gmails for them etc so they dont get anything. But still. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-11-22 02:13 You're REALLY putting a lot of faith into Plex as a company.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AKAManaging · 2023-11-22 02:14 Dude no offense but what the fuck are you even arguing? "It's a free service they owe you nothing." >Okay but some of us paid for it. "Then cancel your subscription duh" >Okay but I have lifetime and don't have a subscription. "Well I guess you could ask for the money back but probably not 'cause the fine print probably says it's okay." Like, your arguments aren't even consistent. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Aurailious · 2023-11-22 02:19 Does this opt out of data collection or just sending the emails? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- panda-brain · 2023-11-22 02:22 Just noticed the fine print under the privacy settings. "If you are a resident of the United States, your above Watch History setting will apply for two years and then revert to private unless you choose to renew your consent. All other choices will remain in effect until you change them." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dev-N-Danger · 2023-11-22 02:28 I was going to set something up through cloudflare but from what I have gathered is that it will not allow anything streaming. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- moshekels · 2023-11-22 02:32 Bruv the literal post you’re commenting on is highlighting something that’s emblematic of an issue lots of people have with Plex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- setzke · 2023-11-22 02:35 It's still rough but luckily I was used to it before i had to rebuild my library, switched to Plex, loved it... but recently had to purge my whole library (gdrive, not local server), and decided to look into Jellyfin again during this... essentially new library. Really enjoying it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- holastickboy · 2023-11-22 02:41 The sheer quantity of analytics from both Plex clients and servers, regardless of what options you select, is the number one blocked item on my Adguard Home install. Plex is, by no stretch of the imagination, not at all respectful of privacy. Plex has sadly lost its way, and this year I finally switched over to Jellyfin and it's much better than the subsequent years I've tried to move across. Other than simplicity of exposing your server on the internet, Plex's value proposition has tanked. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- n8henrie · 2023-11-22 02:41 Mine were all set to private and I got the email anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HyenaFalse3456 · 2023-11-22 02:42 WTF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HyenaFalse3456 · 2023-11-22 02:43 What's up with companies making shitty defaults nowadays? Who would think this actually brings value for the majority of people hosting their own media content? This another overreach trying to act like Netflix? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NeuroDawg · 2023-11-22 02:44 You mean sharing with clients outside of your LAN? It works just as well as Plex. I switched a year ago, and couldn't be happier. Just like with Plex, it will depend on your clients' hardware, their internet speed, and the outgoing speed of your internet. But if Plex runs on your hardware/network, Jellyfin shouldn't have any issues running on it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 666AMA · 2023-11-22 02:44 Emby ftw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DependentAnywhere135 · 2023-11-22 02:45 Why does it claim it will auto default to private after 2 years unless you consent again if they are defaulting to friends only from what I can tell. Makes it seem like they are having to cover a privacy law by claiming it defaults to private but it sure as hell didn’t on my profile. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 02:47 Man I'm even more glad I went with Jellyfin over Plex when I kicked up my media server last year. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NeuroDawg · 2023-11-22 02:48 If your hardware/network can stream without issues using Plex, you'll be able to do it with Jellyfin. The issue I've found, but that has improved over the past year, is client apps. I use Rokus and Nvidia Shield in my home, and my clients all use Rokus, Apple TVs, or Firesticks; all without issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 02:49 Since when does Reddit care about who mods there subs? WorldNews is run by Nazis but you don't see them doing anything about it and it's one of their biggest subs! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 02:50 What do you mean Jellyfin is hard to set up for remote access? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OpenSourcePenguin · 2023-11-22 02:50 If you want another freemium bullshit in the future, go with emby ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zmezmer · 2023-11-22 02:50 I’m glad I switched to Jellyfin a long time ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 02:53 In what way is it rough to use? Been using it for over a year every day and it's dead simple to use. Even my mom was able to load it up and figure it out without any of my help (past putting in my server url for her). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sinofool · 2023-11-22 02:53 What exactly you plex users paid for? I was always confused. Remote access? That’s the question when I switched from kodi to jellyfin. That’s the same question I am asking myself trying to get homeassistent cloud. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 02:53 If you run it in docker it's like a few button clicks to get deployed assuming you have your library organized already. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 02:55 What? Why would they need to setup a whole install to use your server? Just connect to the server in one of the numerous apps and login to your account? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- singulara · 2023-11-22 02:56 A self hosted app that isn't self hosted, baffling why people use plex instead of Jellyfin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 02:56 Tell me you don't understand GDPR without telling me ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CountingRocks · 2023-11-22 03:02 I don't believe so, and neither is there a PlayStation client either which rules it out for my home setup. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AngryRedHerring · 2023-11-22 03:10 Everything must be a rental or subscription. Owning anything is verboten unless you're the corporation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _chyld · 2023-11-22 03:10 I use Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Oujii · 2023-11-22 03:14 But why would it be? A lot of CEOs/Founders for companies that have subreddits are mods on them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MonsterdogMan · 2023-11-22 03:19 Not true on the WAN bit — the entire town I live in (Bisbee) lost Sparklight Internet for nearly 24 hours yesterday, and Plex trucked along just fine from my two servers. Had PlexAmp playing music for something like ten hours straight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I_EAT_THE_RICH · 2023-11-22 03:27 Dude, I have been telling y'all Plex is going down fast. Just set up emby or jellyfin and be happy knowing your setup isn't profiting off of you ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ShenanigansGoingOn · 2023-11-22 03:27 It was clearly obvious from the very beginnings of Plex when they forked out of XBMC that they were shady and in it for the cash. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- krynnul · 2023-11-22 03:31 Careful with assumptions: I've never looked at these settings ever until today and they were all set to private when I did. If it was "opt-out" they wouldn't have been that way. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R_X_R · 2023-11-22 03:47 I can’t wait to hear your full take on the next podcast episode. I started looking into Plex AS this all started happening. Fortunately, I haven’t had the time to spend on setting up any media components, but man am I glad I didn’t go this route. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- strangerzero · 2023-11-22 03:50 No Apple TV client. Bummer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrplate · 2023-11-22 03:50 Shame, Plex. I expected a better respect for privacy, from a white and orange logo on a black background. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- neumaticc · 2023-11-22 03:51 meanwhile me with a 500gb portable SSD of Linux isos and no TOS/tracking to report to :laff: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shmoogy · 2023-11-22 03:53 What's the safe way to expose jellyfin for users to access without a vpn or cloudflare tunnel (tos) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fernatic19 · 2023-11-22 03:55 I agree on the point about the clients. I've tried them all just for fun and found they just aren't ready for me to switch. The idea of a fully self hosted, completely cloud-unreliant media server is great so once they get good clients I'll be in. I have no real reason too switch right now since Plex *is free*. All these people acting like they have to pay monthly for some subpar product make me laugh. I don't like most of the newish Plex features like ad supported channels but all-in-all not bad enough for me to complain about a free product. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jlambe7 · 2023-11-22 03:57 Ah see I don't even have docker setup. I simply have sonarr running for tv shows to auto download. That's it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ampix0 · 2023-11-22 03:59 I was joking. I think its absurd to be upset about this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 04:06 Throw all of your stuff in one file it's just as easy to deploy sonarr and all the other arrs alongside your media server. Easiest setup imaginable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zozork · 2023-11-22 04:06 They would need a VPN access or server opening ports no? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lestrenched · 2023-11-22 04:07 > if you go through life without ever giving money to corporations, how are you even on the internet? I suppose you're right, I'm paying Comcast for my internet. Can't argue against never giving money to corporations to live. > Smooth interface I could say the same for Jellyfin. > easy set up and mgmt Arguable, if this is easy, then Jellyfin is just as easy. > apps on virtually every platform Agreed, some TVs and consoles don't have apps. I don't need them but I suppose this is a real problem. I'd just use Kodi personally. > and a snap for my remote users to use Hmm, this is a big selling point for a lot of people. I will admit that setting up port-forwarding might not be the easiest/most secure thing to do. > Because I don’t WANT to use my laptop $50 ARM SBC running kodi will solve all of your problems. Bonus: you get to use your mobile as a remote. Subjective opinion on the looks: how about an issue on allowing custom themes (if there aren't any already, don't know). Cheers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SnowyLocksmith · 2023-11-22 04:09 Requires a bit more setup than plex, but yeah, you can ---------------------------------------------------------------------- divDevGuy · 2023-11-22 04:10 Amazon Fire days being based on Android appear to be numbered. Doesn't mean JF or any other client can't have a React-based client for whatever Vega becomes if/when launched, but I'd expect it to take some time. The prior effort for a React-based client seemed to have died a number of years ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- boraam · 2023-11-22 04:19 Which is a good alternative to consider? Jellyfish is Emby? Might as well switch during black Friday. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TattooedBrogrammer · 2023-11-22 04:22 I mean on their TV. Plex app was so simple for them and they struggled with that haha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 04:23 Jellyfin also has a bunch of apps for TV that are dead simple to setup ---------------------------------------------------------------------- highedutechsup · 2023-11-22 04:23 /r/SelfOwned/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- highedutechsup · 2023-11-22 04:27 next up... docker containers start reporting user data ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NeuroDawg · 2023-11-22 04:29 Yes. I personally use a reverse proxy. But you need an open port for Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-11-22 04:43 absolutely not. anyone can start or run any subreddit they want. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6lack187 · 2023-11-22 04:44 It's easier and available on the majority of devices... I guess. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken_Mcnutt · 2023-11-22 04:48 people have been connecting VCRs, DVD players, and computers for decades. I'm not sure how getting someone to download a specific app and connect to a custom server is easier than plugging in a cable and changing the TV input ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MRP_yt · 2023-11-22 04:55 Not cool Plex, not cool. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LogicalExtension · 2023-11-22 04:58 That just stops ME from getting other people's activity emails. I don't want, and never agreed to, them sharing my activity with others. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- highedutechsup · 2023-11-22 05:01 > if you go through life without ever giving money to corporations, how are you even on the internet? This is about one of the dumbest comparison questions I have ever heard in my life. 1. Most likely you don't have much of a choice of an ISP. 2. There are literately hundreds of other ways to play videos that don't spy on your usage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- highedutechsup · 2023-11-22 05:04 Not really "self-hosting" when someone else is in charge of running the service eh? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- highedutechsup · 2023-11-22 05:05 I knew plex was evil when I got my shield so I removed the app from my device, problem solved. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jonstar7 · 2023-11-22 05:07 This is it, this is the difference. If something's hostile toward you, it's not worth sticking around for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HavingEnjoy · 2023-11-22 05:10 Really lame Plex, I thought we were cool. Found this post on what the setting looks like and I just unchecked the box , so it’s still relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/72zg10/how_to_turn_off_plex_tak ing_your_data/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- H3ll3rsh4nks · 2023-11-22 05:15 Sadly even then I wouldn't trust that they weren't monitoring usage. One of the many reasons I switched to Jellyfin last year. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- KevinCarbonara · 2023-11-22 05:26 It shouldn't exist at all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- KevinCarbonara · 2023-11-22 05:27 > Tons of us have been saying this for a while now - ever since Plex's focus turned away from just providing a quality, feature-rich self- hosted streaming server and pivoted to all of this centralized, fight- users-for-dashboard-space nonsense. We knew it was going to happen as soon as they started selling lifetime passes. No one does something like that without continuing to monetize the service elsewhere ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 8bitcerberus · 2023-11-22 05:32 I've been tossing the idea around to set up a cheap mini NUC-like box, like a Beelink or something similar. About the same prices as an Apple TV or higher end Roku, and you can either use Windows, Linux, or even Android on it. Just needs a convenient remote to navigate it without needing to hook up a mouse and keyboard, or gamepad, and it would be a great little set top box. Also I'm kind of surprised there aren't more Linux distros for this already. We've got gaming console-like dedicated distros in Batocera, Lakka, RetroPi, Recall Box, etc. even stuff like SteamOS, or customized clones like Bazzite, Holo and Chimera. Where's the TV focused OS? The closest I see are typically just running Kodi on boot, which is ok I guess, but I want something more like an all-around HTPC where Kodi is just an application I launch when I want to watch something, rather than the sole UI. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tsukiko_ · 2023-11-22 05:32 What the Frick I wasn't watching 5KPornHazelMoore200129DoViRemuxFrameSter.mkv ---------------------------------------------------------------------- punkerster101 · 2023-11-22 05:37 Last time I checked out jellyfin there were little to no apps and the whole experience was a bit clunky. Once it matures a little it could be a replacement for Plex but as it stands Plex is more mature and comparable ---------------------------------------------------------------------- punkerster101 · 2023-11-22 05:38 I’m still there I just don’t post because as you said almost anything you say that isn’t “Plex is amazing” gets downvoted fast ---------------------------------------------------------------------- punkerster101 · 2023-11-22 05:39 Nah it’s been like that for a while same with the Plex forums a lot of toxic behaviour in the community ---------------------------------------------------------------------- csmiler · 2023-11-22 05:49 I was just about to buy Plex Lifetime on Black Friday, looks like that isn’t going to happen now ---------------------------------------------------------------------- aeroverra · 2023-11-22 05:50 Collecting data on a bunch of people's illegal (in the eyes of the media mafia) libraries. What could possibly go wrong. SMH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lachlan-00 · 2023-11-22 05:52 You accepted the terms ---------------------------------------------------------------------- per08 · 2023-11-22 05:54 [https://www.plex.tv/email-preferences/](https://www.plex.tv/email- preferences/) Email me a summary of my friends activity ---------------------------------------------------------------------- breath-of-the-smile · 2023-11-22 06:00 God I just fucking hate this take so much. Why do we have to make fun of people who value privacy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IllegalD · 2023-11-22 06:04 Unless you choose Emby, and need to pay them money for their software to call a few extra ffmpeg flags ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RickoT · 2023-11-22 06:11 Came to say this, just because you're opting out of the emails doesn't mean it's not still sending your data to Plex. I've been working on moving to Jellyfin for exactly this reason. I self host because I don't want to share my info with anyone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- djbon2112 · 2023-11-22 06:25 If you're on Debian, Ubuntu, or one of their major derivatives (Mint, etc.), it's pretty easy to: we have an automation script to install it. There's also a Flatpak, AUR package, and others. [https://jellyfin.org/downloads/server](https://jellyfin.org/downloads /server) There's a lot of stuff to criticize our project for, but initial setup isn't really one of them :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- djbon2112 · 2023-11-22 06:28 There is a Trakt plugin, so anything that Trakt can sync can be ported over. I don't know if Plex can do it, but Jellyfin can also read NFO metadata in media folders. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- djbon2112 · 2023-11-22 06:29 Yup, hottake but it's sort of wild how people are willing to move from Plex to Emby. We created Jellyfin precisely \*because\* Emby was headed down this road. They're just 5 years behind Plex. But mark my words, it will get there too. When money and profit drive a piece of software, it's only a matter of time before the users become the commodity to be exploited. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jlambe7 · 2023-11-22 06:37 Any kind of automation for windows? It's windows 11. Would be great to skip the installation of other systems and such and just have jellyfin work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- djbon2112 · 2023-11-22 06:38 >why not just put the money toward donating to Jellyfin so they can implement those features for the good of everyone? Want to stop you right there because this is a common misconception. In Jellyfin, donations are exclusively to cover our costs, nothing more. Donating to us doesn't donate to development, *by design*. We from day one have taken a very strong (and some would say heavy- handed) stance against money in the project in any form. Why? Because we saw the roads that all the other big players in this space have gone down (Plex used to be FLOSS if anyone can even remember it that far back; then Subsonic, then Emby). By explicitly keeping all money- for-development out of it, we're forcing a volunteer-only and egalitarian development process. It has limitations and drawbacks, sure, but it's also helped us build an amazing community of people truly committed to user ownership, privacy, and integrity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- xomwow · 2023-11-22 06:43 How do you watch from a TV? Using the Plex TV app is simple for others to understand. My only experience is a standalone laptop with JF (no internet available) at a remote cabin and use the laptop browser with hdmi cable to TV. That would not work for some elderly viewers I have. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- djbon2112 · 2023-11-22 06:46 There's a Windows installer, but beyond that, it's really just a matter of permitting the ports in the Windows firewall. I wouldn't expose it directly to the Internet like that (including Cloudflare), but via a VPN it would be safe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Khuy_Lewis · 2023-11-22 06:52 And a lot of people who kill people for sport are murderers. That doesn't mean they're *allowed* to be murderers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OpenSourcePenguin · 2023-11-22 07:10 Thanks for the work on jellyfin ! And yeah, people should stick to Foss software because enshittification is accelerating in tech. At this point, Plex doesn't even feel like self hosting with arbitrary restrictions. If only people donated 10% of the amount they spend on recurring transactions donating to Foss projects, we could have such amazing software. We are in desperate need of a proper system for funding open source projects. Like a single organisation handling donations and splitting it between multiple companies. Same with payment to contributors (like bounties). It would be damn amazing to be "shareholders" of our own software instead of paying huge markup to corporate bureaucracy and shareholder profits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rakn · 2023-11-22 07:19 I mean no on is saying that plex isn't working. It has just accumulated a lot of bloat and is kinda spying on you. But if you don't have an issue with that it's all good. I personally moved to Emby a long time ago, despite having a Plex Lifetime Pass. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ixoniq · 2023-11-22 07:21 There is, not amazing tho. It does work with Infuse tho, which is the best frontend any, even for plex and jellyfin libraries. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SteppkenPislmick · 2023-11-22 07:22 How has been your experience with higher bitrate/quality stream directplay? On my 4-5 year old Samsung TV I notice sluggish playback with 4K and high bitrate files with the Tizen Jellyfin app. With plex the same files were working fine. On my Desktop (using MPV) all files playback fine. Now I think about buying something like a FireTV stick or Xiaomi TV Box... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Schmidsfeld · 2023-11-22 07:27 This has been comming for a long time. I am glad that i pulled the plug nearly two years ago and am using jellyfin only. Together with tailscale and the pretty useable android apps it is a great solution to cut the cords. Sure some of the functionality is a tiny bit better on plex. - most of it isn't. And paying for the privilige that i can't use my server in my own house when the online plex platform is down and paying to have my data blantly ~~stolen~~ collected for product improvement by a for profit company is something that does not go together with self hosted in my opinion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 07:39 Personally I just installed the app on my TV and connected to my server and then signed in. Same deal with my parents at their house (who connect to my server) and my friends who I share it with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- giblefog · 2023-11-22 07:51 [You can also opt out of sending playback data to Plex.](https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/privacy- preferences/#opd) >Sending us this data helps us run and improve our services. If you uncheck this button, the playback data listed above will not be collected or sent to Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- giblefog · 2023-11-22 07:51 *Your data* might be set to private, but is your friends'? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ArcadeRivalry · 2023-11-22 07:57 I've unsubscribed from Plex emails already so never got it, but it still shows friends activity in the platform UI. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheClownFromIt · 2023-11-22 07:59 Care to give an overview of how you set it up? Last time I tried I went down a rabbit hole of domain registration with Cloudflare, reverse proxies, and custom certificates. It quickly got overwhelming considering the security repercussions of making a mistake when setting up a web service. So I thought: why not just set up direct access via VPN? So I tried setting up WireGuard for people who want to access my server, but then I had to set up people’s devices for them which was cumbersome, and that created a security vulnerability since my server wasn’t isolated from the rest of my network. Also, not every device supports running a WireGuard service. I’d love to learn that I’m overcomplicating things and there’s an easy way to set up remote access for a family member who isn’t tech-savvy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ia42 · 2023-11-22 08:16 I first started looking into an XBMC replacement when my OG Xbox died and I thought there must be some new FOSS replacement to put on some Raspi. Must have been 5 years back? Lots of "experts" sent me to Plex, I took one look at the EULA and said ***no effing way***. So this is not news to me that they keep and run stats on all my files, watching patterns etc. I have a feeling most users filled up their media servers with torrents and questionably sourced files, not legal rips, and I found no reason to opt into something like that even if my files *were* all legal. Jellyfin is mature enough at this point for my needs, I know it's not perfect, but it's all local. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- wireis · 2023-11-22 08:18 “Swiftfin” for AppleTV, I use this on my AppleTV and it’s been great: https://jellyfin.org/posts/2022/12/29/swiftfin/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Oujii · 2023-11-22 08:26 Can you please point out the rule you are speaking of? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 08:27 Basically I run everything out of Docker containers on my server and have Traefik set up to reverse proxy a subdomain to the service. It handles SSL and everything as well with little to no work. Only ports I have exposed to the world at 80 and 443 (and 80 just forwards to 443). It's secure enough and the convenience tradeoff is worth it to me. From there I just open whatever app on whatever device, plug in the url to my Jellyfin instance and login. I have a bunch of the stacks I use documented and would be happy to walk you through them or talk further if you are interested. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rudibowie · 2023-11-22 08:33 AFAIK they don't circulate emails to your contacts, but smart TV makers routinely overstep the boundaries of acceptability and harvest data that should remain private. On LG TVs, for instance, if you insert a USB, the contents of that USB are read and sent back to HQ to further add to the other data they capture about you e.g. watching patterns, which sources you use, which programmes you watch etc. They cash in by leveraging such data. Low TV prices are effectively subsidised by this model. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScollopedFeets · 2023-11-22 08:55 Plex has always been for retards, people who are 7 years behind the tech-curve. You deserve this. They're just protecting themselves from the inevitable, the inevitable that you caused by misusing their software to do illegal things. Yes, I am a pirate myself so I know what this is really about. You're morons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- xdq · 2023-11-22 08:58 Piracy groups often add their tags to a movie's metadata and if you follow Trash Guides naming conventions then these release groups would be in the filename too. If 90% of someone's movies are tagged with Yify or Rarbg for example it would be hard to argue that you'd ripped them yourself from originals. Yes it's different from an agency being able to connect to your server and see what you have, in fact it's easier. Instead of looking at thousands of individual machines they can simply force Plex to hand the data over and target the most active/largest accounts first. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tehgreyghost · 2023-11-22 08:59 I would love to switch but their agent is so bad. It only finds like 10% of my videos. I dont want to spend 80 hours searching the metadata one at a time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- xdq · 2023-11-22 09:05 UK here and I can see it > exegamer76's comment above gives the link It seems to be the following: Go to https://app.plex.tv/desktop/#!/profile/edit Click on "Privacy Settings" at the bottom of the page Dialog from the screenshot pops up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jealy · 2023-11-22 09:08 Oh shit there it is, I combed through yesterday but couldn't see it. Does it default to friends only, or had I already stumbled upon it in the past and changed it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- xdq · 2023-11-22 09:15 I'm not sure, I couldn't find it either until seeing that link. Fortunately I had previously set it to private. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0xffx0 · 2023-11-22 09:17 I agree 100% but the porn comment was still 😂 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonteponte71 · 2023-11-22 09:17 Tailscale is easier and better for that. Only the connection is brokered throught them. The traffic is p2p. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- razorpolar · 2023-11-22 09:17 Switffin works great on Apple TV, for even more quality of life features you can also use Infuse which costs about £10/year. Totally worth it IMO. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0xffx0 · 2023-11-22 09:19 And 1000s will not opt out . I am just gonna watch really weird things now I'm aware of it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonteponte71 · 2023-11-22 09:23 A domain name and a reverse proxy? Nginx proxy manager is one with a GUI and automatic SSL. If you still want to go VPN, Tailscale is the easiest one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- identicalBadger · 2023-11-22 09:33 I just came here to say hi to a fellow badger! :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scandii · 2023-11-22 09:34 "simply force plex", this is the problem. plex is under no obligation to give any data to any third party nor can an external party essentially ask to see data "just in case". this is the part where I see minimal risk. some risk sure, but the legal way to the presented scenario is what I think is being handwaved a lot in favour of "it could happen". I am looking to transition off Plex with these changes nonetheless, mainly because I don't understand why they want to do data gathering in this fashion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tledakis · 2023-11-22 09:41 100% agree, when I received the email I got really bad vibes from the whole thing. I am sure they will come back and say "ah sorry our bad, we will fix this" but once the trust is broken like this, nah I'll go to jellyfin thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kenyard · 2023-11-22 09:41 i mean half the content watched on plex is probably only available via web streaming compeditors... you cant exactly say you have the disk version.. i wonder if saying you have a subscription would cover you ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _LeoFa · 2023-11-22 09:41 I unchecked that button several times now only to find the button checked again, like why even have a opt out button if it doesn't work? jeez ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tledakis · 2023-11-22 09:43 There is an easier and more **definite** way to opt out sending data to Plex, by using jellyfin. 😅 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ReachingForVega · 2023-11-22 09:46 What doesn't work? Genuinely curious because we've been running it exclusively since they published the Android app. I run JF on a NUC and it pushes 4K to my Nvidia Shield without issues. Only thing I don't like is the shield tends to crash all media apps if you don't exit them properly between uses. I don't have it installed on our LG tv but it runs fine as a native app on a shitty no name android tv we have in the bedroom. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OverjoyedBanana · 2023-11-22 09:48 What is the point of self hosting proprietary shit ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sakujakira · 2023-11-22 09:50 Use Infuse. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScruffyIsZombieS6E16 · 2023-11-22 09:58 Did you see that they're doing a spin-off? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- makmillion · 2023-11-22 10:06 No way! I wasn’t watching the same thing 🧐 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ultimation · 2023-11-22 10:11 If the software is free, you pay with your privacy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- xdq · 2023-11-22 10:32 The data gathering will be to appeal to advertisers i.e. more $$ for Plex. I agree that law enforcement can't generally take a peek just in case but I also wouldn't put it past the movie and music industry to strongarm them into sharing more data than many of us would be comfortable with. I run Jellyfin in parallel with Plex but haven't fully jumped ship just yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kerouak · 2023-11-22 10:48 If you were to summarise the downsides of jellyfin Vs Plex what would they be? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CambodianJerk · 2023-11-22 11:04 Then don't buy it, no one cares. People have different opinions to you, and with that, their own opinions from which they can act as they please. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CambodianJerk · 2023-11-22 11:07 It's not that it didn't work, it's that it was extremely slow and sluggish. I too running on a Shield. I could stream my 100gb 4k files remotely absolutely fine as expected, but the app was just crap. Attempting to navigate was rubbish and lord forbid I try to search something. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a small library, but the Web app was clearly much better. The clients apps seemed just seemed rubbish. It didn't pass the wife test, thus it never made it to 'Production'. Emby on the other hand is extremely responsive, faster then Plex infact. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Legitimate_Farm_3095 · 2023-11-22 11:15 wtf does my username have to do with anything? talk about low effort ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IntoTheForeverWeFlow · 2023-11-22 11:22 Plexamp? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hezden · 2023-11-22 11:59 Its been a long time since i was a plex user, can someone explain how they get ahold of that data from your selfhosted solution? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- anossov · 2023-11-22 12:01 Surely Plex is off-topic in this sub ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 12:15 If you read what they collect though, nothing about your library can be used to identify what you watched. They just don't collect that info. I think this thread and these emails are only for content Plex themselves provide, and not from our own libraries. I have literally never watched any Plex provided content and I hide as much of it as possible so while I'm annoyed that this was opt-out, I opted out and don't use the features I had to opt out of anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 12:16 It was in 2014 when I bought my lifetime Plex Pass. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- red0herring · 2023-11-22 12:18 You should probably read the entire EULA before you get all angry and self righteous. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 12:18 Plex's Privacy Policy states unequivocally that they are not collecting this data from people's libraries, but they do know what you watched from the free content they provide as well as TV Guide information when you use Live TV and DVR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VivisClone · 2023-11-22 12:20 Seems like this is just an issue for people that share their plex with other people? It's just me and my Wife that use it, and I can't say I've ever seen a plex email like this lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R0GG3R · 2023-11-22 12:24 This is why! It's a crappy implication... https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/6840#issuecomment- 1042905147 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 12:32 Plex's Privacy Policy doesn't include any language that says they collect content identifiable data about your library, but there is language that clearly states they _don't_ collect it, even if you share optional library data. They do state that they collect watch data about content they provide and TV Guide information about Live TV and DVR, but I doubt most people on /r/selfhosted care about those features as much as they care about their library content which, as Plex says, isn't identifiable to them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- R0GG3R · 2023-11-22 12:33 Windows browsers such Firefox, Chrome, Vivaldi, Brave have the same issue. It's not OS or device related, it's how Chromecast has been implemented in Jellyfin. [https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/6840#issuecomment- 1042905147](https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/6840#issuecomm ent-1042905147) >I'm also the developer of a local media server, and I've easily managed to bypass the Chromecast client-side issues by doing a server- side discovery. Now no matter how I access my media content, I can always send it to a Chromecast, because the CC and my server are on the same network, so the CC can easily be discovered over Avahi/Bonjour/mDNS. Then it can be the server itself to provide the client with a list of discovered players, not necessarily the other way around. The fact that there's no server-side logic to manage the Chromecasts, and instead we rely on the client to discover them, explains why things are so broken. Why not provide a server-side CC scan logic as a backup for users who don't use Chrome on Android but run the server on the same network as the CC, instead of relying on such a brittle client-side implementation? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- skiprecon777 · 2023-11-22 12:47 Where do you opt out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 12:51 Absolutely. Most people would be _shocked_ at what companies can figure out about you by collecting data like this, and most people don't know that just about all of them are. The reality is, it's difficult to live a normal life with technology if you try to opt out of it all. You have to compromise a lifestyle of convenience, and privacy enforcement becomes your lifestyle instead. Like, am I getting what I think I'm getting out of spending so much time being upset about all this? What's my goal here? I hope most people are just lurking and making a decision and moving on with their lives instead of getting stuck at angry. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sentreen · 2023-11-22 12:52 When I was looking into media servers for the first time I saw plex required login through plex servers and immediately started looking for something else. Found emby and was happy after. Migrated to Jellyfin later on, though I agree with others that the clients are not as mature as Emby's. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jVCrm68 · 2023-11-22 13:04 My issue is that it’s telling me what a family member is watching, though they are a friend on my Plex, they NEVER use Plex. So where are they getting their data from? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 13:05 Not everyone selfhosts for privacy reasons, though this did prompt me to read the Plex Privacy Policy and make a decision. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 13:09 > What Data Gets Synced (i.e. Privacy) It’s important to be clear here about what data does (and does not!) get synced when this feature is enabled. To be very clear up front, the feature is designed so that Plex does not know what content may be located on a personal Plex Media Server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iamtehstig · 2023-11-22 13:14 I just added them to my tailnet. With the free tier you can have 3 users now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IntoTheForeverWeFlow · 2023-11-22 13:16 Plexamp alternative? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rakn · 2023-11-22 13:19 Sorry cannot help there. I gave up maintaining my own music collection years ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 13:32 Looks are subjective and all but so far I'm not seeing anyone complaining about Plex's interface and usability here, while I do see a number of people in the comments who left for jellyfin _and then switched back to Plex_ because of UX or performance or compatibility issues. Jellyfin is a great tool and I'm excited for it to keep closing the gap on Plex, but let's be real here, OSS is almost always behind for profit products in terms of cutting edge functionality and UX. The best OSS solutions are, incidentally, funded by for profit companies that found a way to monetize products built on top. Plex is way easier to get into and the majority of people out there won't see any problem creating an online account to use it or pay a few bucks for the app to watch stuff on my server. If I tried this with jellyfin they would probably give up and go back to Netflix. To them paying for Infuze vs. Plex on Apple TV is the same thing but less. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IntoTheForeverWeFlow · 2023-11-22 13:33 That's seems blasphemous in this sub lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rjasan · 2023-11-22 13:33 Plex server connects to Plex’s servers, you need usernames, etc. It was never a service that YOU just hosted, it always went through their servers. Especially outside of the household. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rakn · 2023-11-22 13:35 lol. I can see that. yeah. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- XTJ7 · 2023-11-22 13:37 I am also strongly considering to make the switch now. Any notable drawbacks/learnings from using it for 6 months? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-22 13:38 I remember when Plex was the only viable option and I remember being happy when they closed source because everything was terrible back then. People saw what they were doing as a risky move - who would pay to watch their own content? I can't fathom complaining about the state of the ecosystem today given the number of options available. Thank you for developing Jellyfin! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OzwaldoLebowski · 2023-11-22 13:39 You can turn that off... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Loose-Biscotti6737 · 2023-11-22 13:41 That's sick ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SamSausages · 2023-11-22 13:41 Your right, but sometimes all we have left is the jokes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SamSausages · 2023-11-22 13:45 Thanks for the link. Mine was already set to private and I didn’t get any emails, so is this actually automatically opt in? Because it didn’t opt me in automatically. But I’m sure I set my privacy options years ago when I originally signed up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SamSausages · 2023-11-22 13:48 Long time user here, I set my privacy options to private years ago and it did not change anything or opt me in. I did not get any emails ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SamSausages · 2023-11-22 13:49 I don’t recall getting that prompt. But mine always already set to private years ago ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Morley__Dotes · 2023-11-22 13:54 I’m also not a fan of Amazon’s streaming devices. I grabbed a 4k fire cube for $50 last year during one of their sales. This thing already lags like crazy and recently started playing an ad when you first turn it on. Annoying. My 2017 NVidia Shield still rocks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- machstem · 2023-11-22 13:57 I switched to jellyfin when my internet was dead and I couldn't quite get my content to work. Jellyfin is decentralized and is 100% free I haven't found an option that plex has over jellyfin yet The subtitles bug I get on my ShieldTV is a little weird but after they started pushing live TV with ads, I decided to abandon it. I have had a lifetime pass since year 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 14:07 Terrible work arounds. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 14:09 It wasn't obvious from the fork, this has been a slow grow over many years. Stop with that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SnowyLocksmith · 2023-11-22 14:13 The vpn part? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- meh_ninjaplz · 2023-11-22 14:16 Get rid of Plex and use Emby ---------------------------------------------------------------------- norebly · 2023-11-22 14:22 Yes I'm aware, it is android only right now, ios is my wish list thus the other comment. This is a JF issue since no other software has this limitation. Thats really the issue with foss, roadmap is determined by existing skillsets and free time avail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 14:25 Lack of TV Tuner support... [https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/live- tv/](https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/live-tv/) I've watched most things on Plex, have reverted to watching sitcoms being re-run on TV, use it for local sports on television. I can't leave Plex until someone supports the WinTV tuners. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 14:25 The whole thread is people saying Jellyfin is better. Not sure where you imagined people saying otherwise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 14:26 LG let's you, supposedly, turn these options off. Be careful, they get turned back on from time to time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- e3m88 · 2023-11-22 14:27 It isn't self hosted. You send all your metadata and viewing habits for them to let you view your own videos, if the internet is down you're out of luck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 14:28 I lost control over some aspects of my Plex library privacy (if I had friends...). Not control over my life. I'm all for alternative solutions but not this level of hysteria. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrorbitman · 2023-11-22 14:31 Plexamp might work. During my outage, the Roku Plex app was an infinite spinner. Jellyfin worked as though nothing was happening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 14:31 Thanks for the rebuttal. It's a smooth product, it supports more hardware for Live TV and "just works" 99.9% of the time. I don't love this new "feature" but I'm hardly going to jump ship from something I've put some time and money into for a replacement that makes my TV tuner a brick. Plex is my gateway to live TV, my television paired with an antenna just doesn't work. Sorry, I'm stuck in my ways and will put up with this a bit longer for now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Photex · 2023-11-22 14:32 https://github.com/wilmardo/migrate-plex-to-jellyfin/pull/24 you can use this to at least mark watched status etc etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 14:33 Bruh go read the comments of the Plex evangelists ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mission-Cantaloupe37 · 2023-11-22 14:38 ICO has started sending out enforcement letters over behavior like this recently, guess it's another company to add onto the pile. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mc_zodiac_pimp · 2023-11-22 14:38 I found this page, though not convinced it does anything: https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/privacy-preferences/#opd There's a check box for "Send playback data to Plex." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- moshekels · 2023-11-22 14:40 It’s not about the email itself but that it is evidence that Plex knows and can track what you watch. Add in how hard they push their shit streaming service and Jellyfin, Emby and Infuse start looking way more attractive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- doggxyo · 2023-11-22 14:46 Did you have to sideload the app or is there a Jellyfish app natively? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- n8henrie · 2023-11-22 14:46 What friends? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mandus_Therion · 2023-11-22 14:49 You Plex and Emby users deserve what you get Jellyfin is only good choice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-11-22 14:58 > they can act as they please. The generally decide to ruin my day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I_EAT_THE_RICH · 2023-11-22 14:59 I’m also not a fan of embys feature gating. They’re also a group of slow outdated .net bro developers from Boston that are clearly interested in profits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IllegalD · 2023-11-22 15:02 The way they communicated during that security incident a little while ago made sure that I never ever recommend Emby. It was comically bad. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- d-cent · 2023-11-22 15:05 Like the other commenter said, I went down that rabbit hole too. There is a lot to do, and unless you have a Linux system with Docker, it gets difficult quick. Meanwhile, Plex has a built in web server. That is what I mean by hard to setup. You have to see that it is very different and much harder to do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SnooPets20 · 2023-11-22 15:07 I never used Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r4nchy · 2023-11-22 15:08 I have never used Plex, never interested to self-host it, never read about its history, didn't understand its pricing, didn't understand its self-hosting vs paid thingy. And I will keep it that way !! But, One thing that I do understand is that there are [Venture Capitalists](https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/plex) who are running the show now. One thing for sure about VCs is that they don't care about products or services, they only care about financial returns. Now they are just generating the buzz in the community. It's just that they are waiting for the right time to screw everyone. Because the VCs will want their investment's returns. So, thank you to Plex for existing, but **NO THANKS !!** Jellyfin all the way! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ShenanigansGoingOn · 2023-11-22 15:11 It definitely was. Being part of the xbmc forums back when the split started happening you could see all the bullshit from the group that split off to make Plex. So you stop with that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kerouak · 2023-11-22 15:12 Helpful thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fucamaroo · 2023-11-22 15:32 Login to your server. Look for jellyfish. Then this won't happen again. /s but true. Vote with your choice of app. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I_EAT_THE_RICH · 2023-11-22 15:36 I am hoping the community really rallies behind Jellyfin. Or we build a new solution on rust, python, or go. That would be my preference. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Symnet · 2023-11-22 15:37 reddit rules don't apply to people who generate traffic for the site ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Federal_Function_249 · 2023-11-22 15:39 Use jellyfin. Problem solved ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cantcurecancer · 2023-11-22 15:41 I fucking CACKLED Plex is such a joke, there's literally no advantages anymore over Jellyfin. Sure, Jellyfin is an incredible pain in the ass to setup. The online guides/users treat you like you're stupid or don't know anything about computers when dealing with their incomplete instructions. But they'd never pull any shit like this where if they can't capture revenue through traditional means, they'll Facebookify the fucking app. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Killer2600 · 2023-11-22 15:43 You guys are so lucky, you got the e-mail. Plex didn't send me any e-mail. Reading the comments, I guess you all never go and never have gone to the movies being so secretive about others knowing what you've watched. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WhatTheFuckDoWeDoNow · 2023-11-22 15:50 I use Emby, and I can so far say I've had zero issues since switching. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Aliceable · 2023-11-22 16:12 This! Super easy to set up and works well. I debated for a long time between plex and jellyfin and have no regrets yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Aliceable · 2023-11-22 16:14 Jellyfin is free... and open source :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HexTrace · 2023-11-22 16:15 As far as I can tell this doesn't stop Plex from collecting data on what your friends are watching on your Plex deployment though. If I have something on my Plex and a friend watches it that is getting tracked and potentially shared with others, and I have no way to control or stop this from happening despite being the one hosting the content. As far as I'm concerned this is a massive breach of trust. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITaggie · 2023-11-22 16:23 Sometimes the flaw doesn't apply to your use case, in which case it could very well be "work[ing] just fine" for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITaggie · 2023-11-22 16:24 I could never comprehend paying a subscription for the privilege of obtaining, transcoding, and streaming your own content on your own hardware on your own network. I'd literally rather set up a SMB share and watch everything with VLC than pay. Thankfully Jellyin exists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Desert_Concoction · 2023-11-22 16:34 It’s not necessarily from your server, even if you just mark a movie/show as “Watched”, it’ll show up on your feed. No one will know if it’s from your server or not ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GoTeamScotch · 2023-11-22 16:40 I've actually been considering picking up a Shield. So would you recommend it? I'd be using it for Jellyfin, Kodi, and maybe some emulators (retroarch hopefully) and other media apps (youtube, etc). Seems like the Shield is pretty customizable and very powerful, despite the most recent model being almost 4 years old now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NeuroDawg · 2023-11-22 16:40 For what? Server? Client? I first ran Jellyfin on my NAS, but have since switched to an Ubuntu server, with JF running in a docker container. There are native client apps for Windows/Linux desktops, mobile iOS, android, android TV, Fire TV, WebOS, and Apple TV. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fat_shibe · 2023-11-22 16:43 Left Plex for Emby (when they started adding their own content and marketing it to me) few years ago, never looked back. You are absolutely right, one email like this and I’m gone. Emby does what it’s supposed to do and just that, that’s all I care about. Jellyfin looks cool too.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- echelon37 · 2023-11-22 16:46 What about family outside of home? Still work the same way? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- beepbeepimmmajeep · 2023-11-22 16:49 I remember getting downvoted to all hell somewhere when I suggested switching to Jellyfin because of Plex’s awful privacy policy and how they kept shoving the “free on Plex” crap on my home screen every time Plex updated. Switched to jellyfin about a year ago. Goodbye Plex, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- doggxyo · 2023-11-22 16:49 I was asking about clients. Your reply answered, thanks! Sounds like I've got a new project to setup on my server :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITaggie · 2023-11-22 16:55 (1) Get a domain name from a provider that lets you add custom DNS records. Set the "blank hostname" A Record to your IP. Keep this page open. (2) Download the following software on your server: * certbot * python3-certbot-nginx * nginx (3) Run the following command: >sudo certbot --nginx --preferred-challenges=dns --agree-tos -d (mydomain.com) You will be given instructions on the command line to add a certain string to a TXT or CNAME DNS Record on your Domain. (4) Go to the website managing your Domain and get to the page to Add/Edit Custom DNS Records. Make a new record with the info provided by certbot, then press Enter on the server to continue. It should indicate success after a few moments. (5) Run the following command: >sudo systemctl enable nginx && sudo systemctl start nginx (6) Port Forward 443 (or whatever port you want to connect to that Jellyfin isn't already using) on your router and allow it through iptables/firewalld/whatever linux firewall. If you want to use a port that isn't 443, open /etc/nginx/nginx.conf on the server with a text editor and edit the "listen 443 ssl;" line to be "listen (DesiredPort) ssl;" and save. If you changed the config, run this command to restart nginx: > sudo systemctl restart nginx Test the connection by navigating to https://(mydomain.com:PortIfNot443)/. It should bring you to an nginx test page with HTTPS enabled. (7) Install/run Jellyfin and write down the regular non-encrypted HTTP port it's listening on. Open /etc/nginx/nginx.conf with a text editor and add the following section under the "server{" section (typically these lines are right under the "listen" lines mentioned in Step 6). >location / { > proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:(JellyfinPort); > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > } (8) Finally, save the file and restart nginx with the following command: > sudo systemctl restart nginx Now if you navigate to https://(mydomain.com:PortIfNot443) it should give you an encrypted connection to Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OutdatedOS · 2023-11-22 16:55 No…anyone can create and mod a sub. That’s a key feature of Reddit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- xomwow · 2023-11-22 16:56 Thanks. I was unaware there were TV apps available now. I shall start my research and testing again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HexTrace · 2023-11-22 16:57 >They do state that they collect watch data about content they provide and TV Guide information about Live TV and DVR, but I doubt most people on /r/selfhosted care about those features as much as they care about their library content which, as Plex says, isn't identifiable to them. A friend of mine watched something that's on my Plex server, I know because we were talking about it on Discord during and after watching it. The newsletter email didn't identify my server as the source, but it absolutely named the content that they had watched from my server. That sounds a lot like being able to identify content hosted on my server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane75776 · 2023-11-22 16:57 "it just works". That is why. I've tried Jellyfin and ran into issue with some shows not working at all, some not getting recognized correctly, and also device support. Ignoring device support, even if 95% of everything works fine no issue, the 5% that doesn't is super annoying and frustrating. So when Plex just works, and I have 0 issues and frustrations. That's why I use it. So until Jellyfin gets to that level, I'll stick with Plex and simply setting my privacy to private. Yeah it's stupid, but its not that hard to do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HexTrace · 2023-11-22 16:59 Convenience of use is diametrically opposed to control of data in this case. It's a tradeoff that many of us make, either for ourselves or to help out some of our more non-technical friends and family. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- highly_confusing · 2023-11-22 17:01 Does Jellyfin have an adequate apple TV iphone and android client with library sharing thats comparable to plex? Im not trying to start a war here, i just want to know. Only reason I don't use jellyfin is because back in the day it didnt have library sharing or a decent apple tv app. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wreid23 · 2023-11-22 17:04 The main issue is finding decent setup videos or not using the forums many people provide a - z setup of reverse proxy on the web for jellyfin in the forums / YouTube. All you need is a half hour and purchase a domain. Start with the forums: https://forum.jellyfin.org/t-mega-reverse-proxy-jellyfin-tutorials. Youtube "jellyfin external Access setup "won't take you long at all between the two. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MonsterdogMan · 2023-11-22 17:08 Plex apps worked as well. I was watching TV shows from it via my Apple TV before I started Plexsmp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wreid23 · 2023-11-22 17:09 Use trakt sync it with plex first get your jellyfin situated and add trakt plug in. Metadata will just be updating the jpg in your shows folser to cover.jpg or poster.jpg (follow the kodi folder structure or something similar ) if not already they both use tvdb in some form or fashion. If not it will get pulled in by tvdb anyway. Pretty quick. There is great docs. https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/media/shows/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITaggie · 2023-11-22 17:13 Damn, I know FireTV app store and of course Google Play Store have Jellyfin clients. Sucks that Samsung is so limited. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wreid23 · 2023-11-22 17:15 You don't have to stop using either or you an run them in tandem to compare been echoing this in threads it's not an ultimatum they don't conflict with each other run them and compare to your liking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 17:19 I don't see a single one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unixuser011 · 2023-11-22 17:19 you can't have privacy, how would we tell you apart from all the terrorists and pedo's out there, if you've got nothing to hide why do you care /s It terrifies me that some people actually think like that ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-22 17:20 It took YEARS for Plex to grow into what it became. It was, at one point, a very successful fork. Tons of love and support - you're rewriting history based on a few comments on a forum? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheClownFromIt · 2023-11-22 17:20 Hey thanks I really appreciate it! I also run everything in Docker (on Unraid), so I imagine the setup would be fairly close to how you're doing it. After the holiday weekend I'll definitely follow up - it'd definitely be nice to have Jellyfin set up and ready to be my primary if (when) I need to do a hard changeover from Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wreid23 · 2023-11-22 17:21 You run tvheadend and link to jellyfin or Hdhomerun has direct support too check the jellyfin forums ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ShenanigansGoingOn · 2023-11-22 17:22 You really don't know shit if you weren't there during the time that the group that forked Plex out of XBMC was doing before they even forked. I was there and saw it all. Shady guys then and even worse now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0xTech · 2023-11-22 17:23 Raspberry Pi 4 or 5 works awesome for bringing static content with you or setting up a low power Jellyfin server at each location. Otherwise, there are plenty of tutorials for sharing your home setup over the Internet. I don't share mine over the Internet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- wordyplayer · 2023-11-22 17:24 OMG this is a company killer mistake. I will never use or recommend Plex. wow ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VexingRaven · 2023-11-22 17:25 This is why they forced everybody through a privacy settings prompt recently. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VexingRaven · 2023-11-22 17:25 Was it not? I got a big full-screen privacy settings prompt I *had* to go through a few weeks ago. Part of the settings was choosing who could see my activity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 17:25 Good luck! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VexingRaven · 2023-11-22 17:26 It opts out of sharing it with your friends. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cybermind · 2023-11-22 17:26 I run both, and only use Plex to watch from the living room TV downstairs, since it is generally an easier to use UI and plays more codecs (or transcodes more when necessary) than most Jellyfin apps. Everything outside of that living room TV uses Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VexingRaven · 2023-11-22 17:27 Mods can only pin their own comments. Just upvote it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zim1985 · 2023-11-22 17:28 Absolutely! I refreshed my memory on how I configured stuff initially (thankfully I had the foresight to document everything I did pretty well) so just lmk and I'd be happy to run through it with you! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheClownFromIt · 2023-11-22 17:32 Thanks for taking the time to write out this walkthrough! I'm likely going to set up Jellyfin in a docker container on Unraid. Would the steps be roughly the same, but do everything from within the container instead? Or ... should I set up a separate container for nginx? Or... should I set up nginx directly on the host Unraid OS? Or... set up a whole separate machine (e.g. Raspberry Pi) to handle nginx? Also, do you implement any additional security precautions? This will be my first foray into handling incoming connections myself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheClownFromIt · 2023-11-22 17:37 Thanks for pointing these out. Yeah, it's tough: when I started down the media server path, I knew nothing. Had never used Linux directly, had never used the terminal, etc. So sometimes I find a tutorial that assumes a base level of knowledge and I need to backtrack to solidify the prerequisite concepts before moving forward. Finding good tutorials is absolutely a game changer. Cheers! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kerouak · 2023-11-22 17:38 Yeah I've seen discussion around the two before and seen general noise about jellyfin being less user friendly especially regarding metadata etc. But never anything concrete or specific. I asked the question initially in the hopes some jellyfin users would clue me in on the biggest barriers to use they faced and I might make an educated decision about using it. I don't have tonnes of spare time at the mo to toil around it. I guess I'll get round to it eventually. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- djbon2112 · 2023-11-22 17:44 > We are in desperate need of a proper system for funding open source projects. Like a single organisation handling donations and splitting it between multiple companies. Same with payment to contributors (like bounties). It would be damn amazing to be "shareholders" of our own software instead of paying huge markup to corporate bureaucracy and shareholder profits. This does exist, and we use it: opencollective.org But, we explicitly keep money-for-development out of the Jellyfin project. It's volunteer-only by design, to avoid the temptation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITaggie · 2023-11-22 17:44 No need to put it on the same container, but literally all of those options would work. The most common method for homelabbers, as far as I know, is to just host them both in their own containers. As long as they can communicate with each other over TCP/(JellyfinPort) it'll work all the same. I wouldn't recommend having them on different devices, though, as the traffic between Nginx and Jellyfin is still unencrypted and can potentially be sniffed on the network. This isn't possible if they're just talking to each other without going through the router. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thefirebuilds · 2023-11-22 17:46 It told me this week about some trash tier hallmark movies my mom was watching. I don't even have them in my media but it sent all that data to me. Now if I start some conversation with her about her shitty taste or like why she would run that crap through my network it's like this insane breach of our relationship. Mostly meaningless but why is this something anyone has to guard against in their lives. People are allowed some privacy. Also this constant ping on my watch "how did you enjoy UP?" for the 10,000x my toddler has watched it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaphasilor · 2023-11-22 17:51 They are working on getting the Jellyfin app to the Samsung Tizen store, but it's a slow process. The app itself if working quite well already, if you manually install it (which is rather simple if you have docker installed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- blentdragoons · 2023-11-22 18:05 no we don't need more government control in our lives. consumers can handle this on our own. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- joedirte70 · 2023-11-22 18:12 I've had plex and the arrs going but without a VPN (USA), got hundreds of take down notices sent to an old email address and went to spam folder, and two personal paper letters from ISP. I decided to shut down the arrs and haven't torrented in about a few months. A few weeks ago I added someone on plex to share my media with. Just got a 3rd letter from my ISP for sharing media. Plex is the only thing running that could cause this. Time to finally shut it down and load Jellyfin. It's been coming for some time; but this is the nail in the coffin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- blentdragoons · 2023-11-22 18:18 how reliable is the kodi addon for hdhomerun? looks like it's unofficial and not supported. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- norebly · 2023-11-22 18:19 Can you confirm via [https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/](https: //iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/) ? Curious about your case since if plex leaked anything to isp, this is the tip of the iceburg and this sub should start filling up soon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- exegamer76 · 2023-11-22 18:20 That is true, doesn't appear to stop collection just the sending of the emails. I wonder if that particular setting is this one: * Go to https://app.plex.tv/ * Top right -> Account Settings * In the left hand pane, make sure you on "Account" * Scroll down to "Sync my Watch State and Ratings" * Disable, and hit the "Stop Syncing now" button It links you to [this article](https://support.plex.tv/articles/sync- watch-state-and-ratings/) which is I would believe is syncing the Watch state. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrorbitman · 2023-11-22 18:28 Might have been the Roku client then ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ThatFireGuy0 · 2023-11-22 18:29 I haven't used it Aside from local support, my biggest reason for Kodi is that it supports MadVR and SVP integration, and few other players seem to, and even fewer media organizers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VelBarphette · 2023-11-22 18:33 Yes, because it is consumers that brought us replacable batteries, usb c on the iPhone, and repairable everything. Fuck that. Consumers would do jackshit to affect change, and I hope the EU will rape every company into compliance of better and consumer friendly practices. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- joedirte70 · 2023-11-22 18:36 I have been out of town for a week, and will be for another week. My wife told me of the 3rd letter during our phone call last night. I just found my external IP through plex remote connection settings and checked the site. Nothing showing up. The only other thing I can think of is it is a letter stating they want/need me to go to a web address and sign off that I've read their policies and state I won't do it again, like the first two letters. I'm obviously not doing any of that. The first two letters used wording like, 'may' shut down service, 'could' result in.. vague wording. She said this one was different. You 'need' to go to this site. You 'have' to. We 'will' close your service with no warning on the next offense... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NoFee8238 · 2023-11-22 18:40 fwiw most of the jellyfin support staff recommend simply installing jellyfin on a debian or ubuntu server using the official install script. this will be the most straightforward and supportable installation for a new user. https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/installation/linux#debuntu-debian- ubuntu-and-derivatives-using-apt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- blentdragoons · 2023-11-22 18:43 as an anti-communist i disagree and oppose all of that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FabrizioR8 · 2023-11-22 18:51 umm??? How does it share this data with respect to its own privacy statements??? https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/ M. What information does Plex collect from my Plex Media Server? Plex does not share information about your Personal Content with third parties. Plex does not collect: * Content titles of your Personal Content. * Filenames EXCEPT those that may be collected under Debugging Information below. * Metadata for Personal Content (e.g., information about the specific file, cover art, subtitles, running length, etc.) EXCEPT to customize viewed content syncing to enhance your account or if you have enabled metadata matching capabilities in which case such data will be anonymously sent to us or you have integrated with a third-party control or playback mechanism that requires us to access your metadata to play the relevant content (e.g., if you use Amazon Alexa to play a particular song or movie from your Personal Content, then our Services may search your Personal Content metadata in order to find and play the song or movie requested.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lestrenched · 2023-11-22 18:52 Maybe. I just haven't faced any notable issues in Jellyfin's GUI. Agreed about the ease of use for people who aren't savvy with networking. Whilst I personally wouldn't want my traffic to ever reach close to Plex servers, I understand the use-case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VelBarphette · 2023-11-22 18:58 I just want repairable devices instead of being forced into every warranty option out there. My replaceable battery won’t strengthen the reign on Russia’s Putin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AtticusGhost · 2023-11-22 19:03 I know what the discussion on my favourite podcast is gonna be next week. This is kinda shenanigans. Ive had plex SO bloody long I dont remember ever getting this option to set it. Now I only have 1 friend, but still. Setting changed. The wife/kid factor and ease of use are the only reasons im still on Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Minobull · 2023-11-22 19:05 Better yet: just switch to jellyfin. lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Minobull · 2023-11-22 19:15 Sheilds are fine but honestly?? the best experience? Grab yourself an old used NUC or other mini-pc with an IR sensor on it from ebay for cheap, and install libre-elec on it. Can cast youtube to it ad-free, use it for twitch, jellyfin, etc... it's great ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WanderingSimpleFish · 2023-11-22 19:19 Œuf I hope this isn’t occurring in Europe… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rathlord · 2023-11-22 19:43 Bruh I can agree with OP but also see that this is funny. You should be able to as well… basic ass social skills. No one here is suggesting this isn’t a problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PrestigiousDay9535 · 2023-11-22 20:02 Y’all have friends on Plex? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read this whole week. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rudibowie · 2023-11-22 20:32 There's no "supposedly" about it. They surreptitiously phone home. (As can be seen if you employ a network-level adblocker like Pi-Hole.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Penguinexpert1 · 2023-11-22 20:45 I can't recommend Jellyfin enough, it's a perfect replacement for Plex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shabbypenguin · 2023-11-22 20:57 optional playback data, it still sends playback data regardless as you cant opt out of that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Whatwhenwherehi · 2023-11-22 21:23 Uses Plex over real open source like jellyfin and is surprised when his data is scraped. Get a clue then I'll care ---------------------------------------------------------------------- da_frakkinpope · 2023-11-22 21:29 This guys porn stash was also outed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- skooterz · 2023-11-22 22:11 Gotcha. I did this and also blocked analytics.plex.tv and media.plex.tv in pihole. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- skooterz · 2023-11-22 22:12 Assuming you mean Jellyfin. Yes, I'm looking into it as an alternative, but the last time I tried it I had a bunch of issues with it. Granted, it's been a couple of months since then. Intro skipping not really existing and a few playback issues were the primary things that bugged me last time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- blentdragoons · 2023-11-22 23:33 this thread got me thinking. i was not happy about what plex did as many of you also did not like it. so today i installed jellyfin to test it out. i'm very impressed. the ui is simpler than plex, but i really like it. i found that it isn't exactly free though. to get guide data for live tv you must pay for the guide data, with the lifetime plex pass that was free. so this is a $35/year cost. not a huge issue, but true. the other thing i noticed is the media playback control is not as good as the plex control, but no media app has one as good as plex. need to think about this but i'll probably switch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _dekoorc · 2023-11-23 00:12 I got a modal when starting the app after the update asking if I wanted to share. It was prechecked, but didn’t take long to uncheck it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- alittler · 2023-11-23 00:23 But not really, no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WhatTheFuckDoWeDoNow · 2023-11-23 00:45 Emby FTW. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GoTeamScotch · 2023-11-23 01:06 I have a NUC and was thinking about that, but I'm skeptical of the experience using a remote if it's running win/linux desktop. I do have a streaming box that I installed libre-elec onto and running purely Kodi on it is nice, but I haven't messed with many Kodi plugins. Is that what you use for youtube and twitch and such is kodi plugins? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbsmith · 2023-11-23 01:20 Yep, after rereading, the privacy aspect here is that Plex isn't able to identify what content you/they watched from _where_, only that they did so. So in the case of reporting watched content to Plex, you have to turn off the setting that syncs watch state and/or disable privacy settings that let others see what you did watch, if you leave sync on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Minobull · 2023-11-23 01:30 I have a Logitech harmony, my NUC with libreelec works awesome with it :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Runaway42 · 2023-11-23 02:07 For anyone who needs help, here's how you opt out (at least as much as Plex will allow you to) 1. Go to [https://app.plex.tv/desktop/#!/profile/edit](https://app.ple x.tv/desktop/#!/profile/edit) and at the very bottom, you'll find privacy settings. Turn everything to private that you don't want to share. 2. Go to [https://www.plex.tv/email- preferences/](https://www.plex.tv/email-preferences/) and untick "Email me a summary of my friends activity so you don't get emails about everything your friends do. (Or alternatively, set it to daily and use it to peer-pressure your friends into setting their stuff private.) One interesting side-note, under the profile settings, there's a disclaimer that says for US residents the watch history setting will reset to private every 2 years unless you re-opt-in >If you are a resident of the United States, your above Watch History setting will apply for two years and then revert to private unless you choose to renew your consent. All other choices will remain in effect until you change them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eubank31 · 2023-11-23 04:35 For real. I so badly wish I had a PlayStation, Samsung tv, and lg tv app, but I simply couldn’t tolerate all the shit Plex as a company does. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mcc111 · 2023-11-23 05:32 If you toggle all the settings to "Private", I see Plex will no longer rebroadcast this information, but is it still sending the data \*to Plex\*? Where it could be stolen, accidentally leaked, subpoenaed etc? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- flaotte · 2023-11-23 08:04 so what's the option now? jellyfin? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- secopsx · 2023-11-23 08:39 log into [plex.tv](https://plex.tv), click your profile icon on the top right (web app), look next to "My Watch history" and "My watchlist". It's the little people icon next to them you need to click and change all of those to private. Optionally go here: [https://www.plex.tv/email- preferences](https://www.plex.tv/email-preferences) and unsubscrible from all as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- trowgundam · 2023-11-23 09:02 Unfortunately Jellyfin is just missing features. Opening and Credits skip? Nope. There is a plugin, but it doesn't work with the Android client. On that front the Android client is so temperamental. Half the time it just doesn't work on my Nvidia Shield. The UI is really clunky as well. I was using it for several months and the app just frustrated me so much I just went back to Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This_not-my_name · 2023-11-23 09:54 You could do this (imo) more simple than described above. The easiest way is using Cloudflare to manage your DNS entries. Add oznu/cloudflare-ddns container to update your external IP automatically (so your DNS entries actually point to your server). I am using NGINX Proxy Manager (built in Letsencrypt) and Authelia for security, but way easier is making use of Cloudflare Tunnels, where you don't have to care about port forwarding or certificates. There is a good tutorial from Network Chuck on youtube about it. If I remember correctly, Cloudflare does allow providing video streaming via tunnels now (it was forbidden via their terms and conditions in the past) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cindy-Moon · 2023-11-23 11:01 Is that not what opt-in means ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ChumpyCarvings · 2023-11-23 11:02 Thanks, this should be higher up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SoulReaver9510 · 2023-11-23 11:02 From my experience: * Jellyfin is a bit harder to set up for remote access - That works with Plex out the box, I had to use a web proxy with certificates to get that working for Jellyfin. * App availability isn't as good - A few people I know use Samsung smart TVs, which don't have a Jellyfin app. Plex is also on playstation devices, I believe Jellyfin isn't. * Jellyfin isn't quite as good as recognising certain shows - example I had recently was a Korean game show. Plex recognised it correctly with all the metadata etc, the show didn't even show up at all in Jellyfin. * Subjective - but I much prefer the Plex UI. I'm on android TV, not sure how different Jellyfin looks on the various platforms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ChumpyCarvings · 2023-11-23 11:03 Oooh tell me more about it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kerouak · 2023-11-23 11:08 Thanks so much for this. Do you know if jellyfin supports 4k Dolby vision HDR? For some reason Plex doesn't on LG TVs so that would likely be enough for me to switch if it does. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-23 11:28 I could, or I could just say there is a lack of support for tuners because there is. I'm not buying a new tuner because the software you want me to use doesn't support what I have. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-11-23 11:36 I have a pi-hole and a LG TV. My TV doesn't go online according to the stats. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AlexChato9 · 2023-11-23 13:25 The joy of Emby 👌 I literally chosed to go with this because of this reason and support the team with the Premiere membership. The client apps might be less refined, but they have come a long way! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- buffer2722 · 2023-11-23 15:01 The opt in here is for sharing that data with your friends. My point is that they shouldn't even gather the data without express opt in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JAP42 · 2023-11-23 15:06 I've only seen on Plex items on these emails. Nothing from my server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rudibowie · 2023-11-23 15:29 Your LG TV doesn't go online? Then in what sense is it a smartTV? It must do. When your TV is connected, switch to some digital services or explore some of the digital apps or content stores. At the same time, open https:///admin/taillog.php. (Have auto-scrolling on.) Our LG TV actually checks to see if the tvOS is the latest version every time we turn it on. Every week the LG team release a small change and the TV presents a pop-up the the OS needs updating. (Infuriating. I've blocked it for peace of mind.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kingb0b · 2023-11-23 15:50 How can you trust them at all? It's like being r*ped and saying "I trust him a lot less now". Break it off! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grandfundaytoday · 2023-11-23 18:02 RIP your privacy. Does that just work for you? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane75776 · 2023-11-23 18:14 I think there's a gross misunderstanding on this sub that everyone who self host is self hosting because they are insanely worried about their privacy. I personally don't give a shit if Plex knows what tv shows, movies, etc that I watch. That doesn't harm me in the slightest. I self-host because I like having my own copies of data, not because I'm worried about privacy. Obviously I want to make sure my personal details like my credit card info and details, etc but if you're worried about that then you can basically never buy anything on the internet. I'm not worried that Plex is going to leak my payment info... So at the end of the day, what does it matter to me if Plex knows the details of the movies and shows that I watch? I make sure to always opt out of stuff where I can and make things as private as possible. Do I want them emailing my friends my watch history? Not really but they do provide a way to opt out of it which I've done. So to me, the minor inconvenience of having to update my profile to opt out of all their data sharing stuff is a small price to pay for what I believe to be a far superior product in almost every other way. I work in software development so I don't give that praise lightly. I have tried Jellyfin multiple times, in fact I have it running on my server right now alongside Plex. I never use it because the experience is far behind Plex, a number of shows (especially anime) don't even properly match in Jellyfin. And the device support and onboarding of friends and family is awful in comparison. So yeah, Jellyfin is at most a backup in the event Plex ever goes to shit, but currently that's not the case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 2manyBi7ches · 2023-11-23 18:30 Ah enshittification, guess ill go install jellyfin, i self hosted to not deal with stupid shit like this but here we are. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hezden · 2023-11-23 19:29 How are they supposed to pay for hosting your stuff If they cant sell your data? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fredflintstone88 · 2023-11-23 19:59 Thank you good Sir! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wreid23 · 2023-11-24 01:42 you could the support is dying had to move away from mine so I thought you were looking for other options sorry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tanguero1979 · 2023-11-24 03:51 I switched to Emby a while back. Much better system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-11-24 17:10 [removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RockZors · 2023-11-25 07:31 Yeah, my family isn't going to connect to a VPN to play content. Also having them type in my url would be a pain. The current Plex workflow of creating an account, then getting an invite from me is nice for simplicity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bannakafalata · 2023-11-27 14:18 >Uh, yeah, hi, this is RST Video calling. Customer #4352. I'd like to place an order. Okay, I need one each of the following tapes: "Whispers in the Wind", "To Each His Own", "Put It Where It Doesn't Belong", "My Pipes Need Cleaning", "All Tit-Fucking, Volume 8", "I Need Your Cock", "Ass-Worshipping Rimjobbers", "My Cunt and Eight Shafts", "Cum Clean", "Cum-Gargling Naked Sluts", "Cum Buns 3", "Cumming in Socks", "Cum on Eileen", "Huge Black Cocks with Pearly White Cum", "Girls Who Crave Cock", "Girls Who Crave Cunt", "Men Alone 2: The K-Y Connection", "Pink Pussy Lips", oh yeah, and, uh, "All Holes Filled with Hard Cock". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- doommaster · 2023-11-27 17:36 If it is set to enabled and there is a common "agree" button, that's already not legal in the EU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- doommaster · 2023-11-27 17:37 No need, there are agencies you report this to, they take care of the rest (at least in Germany). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- doommaster · 2023-11-27 17:38 Yep, that is also how the GDPR handles it, a form or menu cannot be "preset" to share or allow processing of data by default, if it is about sharing it even HAS TO BE a positive opt-in 2 step process. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sweptself · 2023-11-27 19:56 I hope jellyfin comes fully to samsung tvs soon since the only thing stopping me from moving to jellyfin is my dad uses a samsung tv and I live to far away to go sideload it for him ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NexusUK87 · 2023-11-27 20:10 As my server is already set up, and automatically updates, I had no need to log into the Web ui, nothing like this has appeared on client apps, had no idea the feature was introduced and I did not agree to it. Your cookie consent example relies on the user taking clear affirmative action to opt into the data processing, even if it's done in a dickish way like "accept all" or spend 25 minutes configuring your settings. In the case with plex, users have NOT given clear affirmative action. From ICO "Failure to opt out is not consent as it does not involve a clear affirmative act. You may not rely on silence, inactivity, default settings, pre-ticked boxes or your general terms and conditions, or seek to take advantage of inertia, inattention or default bias in any other way." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Body_3679 · 2023-11-27 21:36 “We all knew it was a matter of time before Plex started collecting data on our libraries and sharing it with advertisers.” The fact is it is already happening. People lie everyday for money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Body_3679 · 2023-11-27 21:37 “We all knew it was a matter of time before Plex started collecting data on our libraries and sharing it with advertisers.” The fact is it is already happening. People lie everyday for money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ushred · 2023-11-28 03:19 I went to check my settings and I was already on private, so I think I got the same pop-up. I've had a plex pass for 5+ years, so not a new account on my end. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- venomousbeetle · 2023-11-28 05:35 Mine already seemed to be private, which is weird ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CurseHawkwind · 2023-11-28 07:38 Does it support hardware acceleration? That's probably the only thing truly keeping me on Plex since I run it on my Synology NAS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Chronotaru · 2023-11-28 15:27 There's nothing you can do to stop Plex collecting the data, but you can at least stop your friends seeing what you're watching by adjusting the privacy settings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ice-h2o · 2023-11-28 17:34 Even if plex would leak it to the copyright owners, they only know that I have a video in my library which is marked as their movie. But I can change this setting manually if I want. They can’t file a lawsuit just because they assume that this wasn’t set by the user. It could be a problem If plex hashes content and shares this information ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BearClaw0048 · 2023-11-28 22:15 Literally exploring other options. Plex, your days are numbered, cause this is BS! 🤬🤬🤬 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CornerHugger · 2023-11-29 00:33 Wow. This did step.over a line. Disgusting move by Plex. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ginge_Leader · 2023-11-29 00:46 Yeah, I tried JF but the wrapped web browser app was complete garbage. And it was clunky in a lot of areas. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CounterclockwiseTea · 2023-11-29 13:27 Plex Pass isn't. I bought it in 2014 when plex was actually good. I switched to emby years ago, but plex still has my money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AnOscillatingOcelot · 2023-11-29 19:11 Now everyone knows all my weird kinks! How am I supposed to explain my weird milk, baby diaper, shaming fetish to them? Unless... Lol, time to use alternative media servers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-11-29 22:04 [removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- letsgoiowa · 2023-11-29 23:03 Seems like it did, therefore it doesn't work just fine for me! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AverageJoePIMO · 2023-11-30 08:59 ha ha ha Billy-No-Mates! Me too ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AverageJoePIMO · 2023-11-30 09:01 What's it like for watching normal films & TV programs via Plex on your VR kit? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AverageJoePIMO · 2023-11-30 09:02 That's why there is the EU GDPR (Data Protection) to stop companies doing exactly that. I bet they didn't know about Plex ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Apprehensive_Bit4767 · 2023-11-30 12:41 I drop Plex years ago when they started doing shifty stuff. If I was sharing content with another person or someone with sharing content with me it it would start getting blocked and turned off. I guess they don't want people to use their software ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITaggie · 2023-11-30 14:37 And it doesn't apply to my use case. Therefore it stands to reason that it works for me and others with the same environment, and it won't work for you and others with the same environment. This really shouldn't be controversial. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-11-30 14:49 I'm not in EU, but I'm thrilled they are forcing the big tech to move their asses. US is just too sold out for that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- letsgoiowa · 2023-11-30 16:03 No, you see, I'm making fun of your inability to see that the world exists outside of you. Narcissism is not a cool trait. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Flat-Ad4902 · 2023-11-30 16:06 The main downsides to Jellyfin are: Very Slow development. Worse UI. Few supported clients. Generally more jank. With that said, it does work though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Flat-Ad4902 · 2023-11-30 16:08 Do you mean that WebOS doesn't support 4k Dolby Vision? Because it definitely does on my LG C1. What TV are you using? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Majoraslayer · 2023-11-30 16:14 I've been looking everywhere for this info; for some reason when I navigate to my profile settings on [plex.tv](https://plex.tv) there are only links to the About article for the Privacy Preferences page, but no link to that actual page. I'm sure I've just missed this info being posted everywhere, but topics on it usually overflow more with angry users than this information. Thanks a ton! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITaggie · 2023-11-30 19:01 No, you see, I'm making of fun of you for not understanding the very basic idea that a problem *for you* is not going to universally be a problem *for everyone*. Nice projection with the "narcissism" bit though, I'm sure you thought that was clever. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Flat-Ad4902 · 2023-11-30 19:31 If you share with users guess what they are? Friends lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kerouak · 2023-11-30 21:01 Plex does not support 4k Dolby vision mkv on web os. I have a C2. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sloth_on_meth · 2023-12-01 02:07 Opt-out is ILLEGAL per the GDPR. My attorney is looking into it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- archgabriel33 · 2023-12-01 04:44 Mine were all set to private by default apparently. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- the_brains · 2023-12-01 06:46 Plex has gone corporate (for awhile actually) Jumped ship and am much happier on Jellyfin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mexus_bg · 2023-12-01 21:17 Just use Jellyfin ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- preclowski · 2023-12-04 00:14 Dont forget about plex censorship. Try to ask difficult wuestions on their sub - ban. On their forum - your post doesnt exists. Plex is pushing more and more features behind paywall. PLES IS NOTHING ABOUT SELFHOSTING. Plex is against privacy, transparency and discussion. Its just a corporation moving server costs to users. Plex should not be considered as selfhosted solution because it isnt. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zkhcohen · 2023-12-04 04:00 Remind that JF is FOSS and the Android TV app is largely developed and maintained by a single unpaid SWE in his free time. The more people who switch and contribute to the codebase, the better it gets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry_Mushroom5493 · 2023-12-08 20:42 I guess my porn collection must be kept outside of Plex. Thanks for the warning, man ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SoulReaver9510 · 2023-12-09 02:22 Sorry just seen this reply, I've never tried Jellyfin with DV or HDR content. I've used Plex on my LG TV and had no issues playing HDR10 content (Dolby Vision only works on my shield with Plex) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Fix4869 · 2023-12-09 13:42 stopped using plex years ago when notesing how frequent it sent data to the develoers servers. regardless how you use plex, there is just something unsetteling about this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- edwardianpug · 2023-12-11 14:38 The only thing holding me back from a full swap to jellyfin is the link to automation that tautulli provides. I've used plex for years, but I am feeling more and more like it's morphing into a streaming service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScarePT · 2023-12-15 21:33 Shame that its not Porn, your friends Will be proud of you ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Turbulent_Back3055 · 2023-12-17 02:41 Glass houses... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Admirable_Aerioli · 2023-12-19 02:46 Jellyfin is a nightmare so I haven't continued setup. I'm looking into alternatives from the Servarr suite of services but it looks like Jellyfin is it right now. I really need everything off of Plex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pm_me_meta_memes · 2023-12-19 22:14 Come to the Jellyfin side