Am I trapped with Go Daddy forever for my personal email? reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jicole · 2023-11-08 19:59 Hi. I am in over my head and asking for help. Around 20 years ago I had an email and domain name only package with Go Daddy. We have four email addresses for the family. It went from under 20 bucks a year to a couple hundred dollars a year. If it makes a difference, I don’t use the webpage, just the email. Go Daddy used to have their own email platform but now use Outlook online. On our phones we just use the email app. I understand there are other companies out there that will host my email, but I’m not sure how I would switch to another company without losing all of my archives of saved emails. For each account. I am in over my head. I don’t know what I’m doing anymore. Is there any other service I can switch to that might be less money than Go Daddy that would allow me to keep my emails? I have searched Reddit, but can’t seem to get a firm understanding. on our phones we just use the email app. I will appreciate any and all advice about how I can get what I’m looking for. Thank you so much. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jwink3101 · 2023-11-08 20:10 First, this is almost certainly not the right sub unless you plan to host your email yourself. But that's okay (if not abused) Anyway, I strongly suspect you are **not stuck**. Using a client like Outlook, you should be able to drag and drop from one account to another. Also, a quick Google search for the following looks promising: * "email migration" * "migrate email to " where I tried "proton mail", "fastmail", "google" * "outlook to gmail migration" Also, before you do those, also look into backups. Again, you are probably not looking for self-hosted solutions. In fact, I strongly suggest you don't (whether email is worth self hosting is a hotly debated topic but I suspect there is consensus on it being intermediate-to-advanced). One benefit of *not* being self hosted is you get support. If you find a new provider, ask them how they can help you migrate! I hope this helps! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- springs87 · 2023-11-08 20:12 So my emails were with Google, I've since then migrated over to zoho, which is free for me as I'm only a small user. They do offer a migration tool to pull the emails from your old provider so you don't lose mail. With your domain, you can either keep it with godaddy and point the mail and everything elsewhere, or you can transfer the domain to a new provider. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunfighteriv · 2023-11-08 20:32 Another option, depending on your device type, is to use a custom domain name alias provided by Apple’s iCloud services. If you pay for any type of iCloud plan, you can use custom domain names as an email alias. For your domain name, I would strongly suggest transferring it to Cloudflare. I moved all of my domains to Cloudflare and it was effortless. To use iCloud for your domain, you do have to edit your DNS records, but Apple provides guides on how to do so. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Qxt78 · 2023-11-08 20:44 Imapsync. Used by Linux engineers since forever to copy email accounts from one server to another ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GolemancerVekk · 2023-11-08 21:01 To give you some context, GoDaddy email is actually Outlook 365 (now Microsoft 365), which is normally $99/year. If you were knowledgeable about Outlook admin/Azure you could simply disconnect your Microsoft Outlook tenant from GoDaddy and stop your subscription. Since you're not, you can use BitTitan.com to help you migrate, it's $12/user and you can ask their sales support all the details. If you're ok using Outlook and Exchange you can ask BitTitan to move you to another Microsoft 365 account, which as I said is $99/year for a family account of up to 6 users. If you want you can also shop around for regular IMAP (non-Exchange) providers, which will let you use a wider range of mail apps, and ask BitTitan to move you to one of them. But keep in mind that most providers charge $3-5/user/month, which for 4 users adds up to something similar to what you're paying now, or more. One notable alternative is Migadu.com's Mini plan, $90/year with no user limits, but you all have to share 30 GB of storage space. MXroute.com is another option, they offer more space for cheaper, same deal (no user limits, y'all share the same storage space). Personally I prefer Migadu for my family because their control panel has more features, they're hosted in the EU which for me makes more sense, and they're a company rather than a one guy operation; but if you need more space MXroute is perfectly fine too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- exoticnightz · 2023-11-08 21:03 I’d recommend switching to Officr 365 and you can keep the domain with godaddy but cancel their email hosting so it should be around $20 a year for that and then the cheapest plan for Office 365 is $10 per user. Since godaddy also uses outlook, it should be relatively easy to move the data over. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GolemancerVekk · 2023-11-08 21:14 Unfortunately it won't work because GoDaddy is on Exchange and they've disabled IMAP support. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lohmatij · 2023-11-08 21:15 It costs 1$ per month, how do you get it for free? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CyberHouseChicago · 2023-11-08 21:21 You can migrate emails to a new provider , I have done it for companies before , find yourself someone you trust to do the work for you, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- weredev · 2023-11-08 21:21 Do you have a custom domain name? If so, that makes it a bit more complicated as you'll want to transfer DNS as well. For DNS, I recommend looking at services like NameCheap that specialize in that. They'll have [some documentation](https://www.nam echeap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/9175/83/how-to-transfer- a-domain/) around how to transfer DNS registration. You should be able to find other options for DNS searching this subreddit as well. The second thing will be email hosting. One of the more popular ones out there these days is Fasemail. They have some documentation about how to [migrate your emails](https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en- us/articles/360060590593-Migrate-to-Fastmail-from-another-provider) over which is basically just allowing for an IMAP connection. Other email providers can also be found by searching through this subreddit. Lastly, I would do these things one at a time. Migrating emails might be easier to do first, then update all the DNS stuff to point to your new server, then change registration of DNS. Reaching out to the DNS and Email providers, their support crews should be able to help fill in specifics of how to do that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- springs87 · 2023-11-08 21:22 Under the forever free plan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Amboseli · 2023-11-08 21:25 >BitTitan.com I. had no idea services like [bitten.com](https://bitten.com) existed. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hmoff · 2023-11-08 21:29 365 still supports IMAP, just not with plain passwords, only oauth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tech2but1 · 2023-11-08 21:34 Simplest option: Switch to Gmail and add your domain as an alias. Not so simple, but not by a great deal: Switch to Zoho. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GolemancerVekk · 2023-11-08 21:40 Ah in that case it is GoDaddy's fault. 😆 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- edd189 · 2023-11-08 22:19 Can you elaborate on the domain Alia’s option? Any tutorials? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- slowmail · 2023-11-08 23:04 > Microsoft 365 account, which as I said is $100/year for a family account of up to 6 users (but only 5 devices total!) Just in case it wasn't clear, M365 family includes 6 accounts, and each account can be used on up to 5 devices. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NITROGENarcosis · 2023-11-08 23:50 Yup defederation from GoDaddy is the best option but will require O365 business licenses going forward ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zealousideal_Mix_567 · 2023-11-09 00:28 The hard part is migrating. Basically, GoDaddy acts as an MSP for your O365 mail. So you have to do a migration (at least if you care about not losing everything) to your new instance of O365 Outlook. It sucks and you're going to pay, either frustration or $. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cspotme2 · 2023-11-09 00:32 The email export and migration is the hardest part. There may be some paid tools that could help facilities it into a major email provider. If the accounts are now via office365 then you can use the outlook desktop client and export your mailbox to pst. Your account may also allow connecting by powershell and exporting to pst. Thunderbird may be able to cache it all as well if somehow imap may still be allowed. Once you know your exports are good then you can proceed with the below. Switch dns to cloudflare free. Pay for new email provider. Setup your accounts. Import the pst data. Set your mx (mail records) to new email provider. Do a updated export/sync of your godaddy mailbox after 72 hours and import the delta into your new email provider. If you're non-technical and don't know any of the above then ask a friend or pay for some help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scytob · 2023-11-09 00:56 heck, godaddy will do the migration for you apparently.... [https://www.godaddy.com/help/how-does-microsoft-365-migration- work-23953](https://www.godaddy.com/help/how-does- microsoft-365-migration-work-23953) /s (i am sure they mean from something else to their M365 version... but hey one could test them). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scytob · 2023-11-09 00:58 simple version: 1. save your existing mail locally 2. point the DNS record of your domain name at whatever new service you are buying (they should have instructions on that) 3. import some / all / none of the mail you saved locally to the new service as you see fit now your email will come and go from your new mail service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- InasFreeman · 2023-11-09 00:59 This isn't too bad. Get yourself a good imap client (I use Thunderbird, but many will do). Copy all email into local folders. Migrate your hosting to a new provider. Then you can just as easily push your locally copied messages up. There are also specific email backup / migration tools, but TBH, I've never really seen the need. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- apbt-dad · 2023-11-09 01:41 Under the advertised plans, there is a link that says always free, blah blah, with link. Easy to miss but it is there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- anothercorgi · 2023-11-09 02:56 Oh man I am sort of forever angry for GoDaddy... I had GoDaddy as my DNS registrar for over a decade. When I first signed up, they offered free email. I didn't take up on this offer at first because it added complexity - it didn't seem to work as I wanted (my homeserver is my smtp server). I wanted it to be a backup server by perhaps running a catchall and queue mail to my home server in case it goes down -- seemed like something that could be done. Fast forward to a few years ago. They decided to go with Microsoft as their mail server. No more catchall. No no no, this will not work. at all anymore. So I just gave it up. Sigh. I ended up just not running an alternate MX as most servers will retry anyway, though I've been desubbed a few times with a few mail lists due to bouncing, alas my server has been fairly stable and the bouncing hasn't happened way too often. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- itachi_konoha · 2023-11-09 03:43 Another zoho user here. Very satisfied with the service under free plan (it's been 10 years I've used zoho for personal mail). I tried mail.ru but sometimes mail doesn't get received. Then tried yandex but same problem. Among the free, zoho is best. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jared252016 · 2023-11-09 04:19 Check the related comments pertaining to I believe it's defederation from an MSP with an Outlook account. Assuming you can get into the admin and GoDaddy didn't create their own. The theory: If you can remove the MSP, you're free to sign up for the cheaper plan that's the same for cheaper. I believe it's $6/month/user with cloud based Office 365 Apps, slightly more if you want the desktop apps. Or if you prefer, Google Workspaces is $6/month/user. With 4 users that's $24/month or $288/year, which is more than you're paying now it seems. With Microsoft 365 you can add multiple inbox aliases to receive mail at multiple users but on one account, so the 1 user gets all the email. That would save you the most while keeping Microsoft 365. You can however swap to one of the mentioned shared user plans that offer a set amount of shared space per user for cheaper. Then use an email migration service to transfer the emails, or some open source tools if you run Linux and have some level of tech savvy. GoDaddy likely won't help you transfer away. Google and Microsoft have built in tools in the admin sections to transfer users. Support may help you but more than likely you're on your own with the documentation for Microsoft and Google as they expect you to be able to change DNS and everything. Find a guide online that includes transferring email from service A to service B, or use a service like this: https://www.cloudm.io/landing- pages/migrate-to-google-workspace/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sevlonbhoi1 · 2023-11-09 05:02 I started using zoho many years ago when they used to provide free plan without any limitations. now the new free plans has imap and pop3 disabled for 3rd party apps. so if you want to use Zoho's free plan you have to use their own app or use their webui for email. My account is still free with no restrictions and I am happy with their service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- holy1idiot · 2023-11-09 05:39 I would recommend using mailstore home edition, free product to archive all your mails. You're free to then move it to any email service on the planet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- anothercorgi · 2023-11-09 05:47 Not sure how that works, I don't think that product works as a MX... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- therealSoasa · 2023-11-09 06:55 Just do the work yourself , why spend money on bit tantrum , aka boob Titian , aka brain torture, aka boulda dash, aka waste 'o time!!! Bit titan nothing more than an overlay for existing functionality - don't be wasting your monies folks. Be smart ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Door_Vegetable · 2023-11-09 07:02 If you have an iPhone you can get custom domain emails for $2 a month. Might be a cheep option ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Traditional_Wafer_20 · 2023-11-09 07:04 Zoho user here, I was paying and one year they just switched me to the free plan. They probably saw that I was eligible with my usage, and just stopped making me pay. That's great customer experience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- werty812 · 2023-11-09 07:29 That way he would still have to keep the domain on GoDaddy for the DNS record I believe... I think nearly every hoster offers free domain transfer so you can keep the domain but with a different hoster underneath ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lohmatij · 2023-11-09 08:42 Found it. Unfortunately no push, but it’s still a great offer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tech2but1 · 2023-11-09 08:56 https://www.hostinger.co.uk/tutorials/email/how-to-set-up-gmail-for- your-own-domain https://themeisle.com/blog/use-gmail-with-your-own-domain-name/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tech2but1 · 2023-11-09 08:59 No surprises there then! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-11-09 10:16 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mick2k1 · 2023-11-09 10:17 I followed this and it works great (from cloudflare) Before I was self hosting the whole mailserver and was a mess https://community.cloudflare.com/t/solved-how-to-use-gmail-smtp-to- send-from-an-email-address-which-uses-cloudflare-email- routing/382769/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Freudianfix · 2023-11-09 10:43 I recently moved my custom domain email from Microsoft 365 (with GoDaddy registrar and DNS) to iCloud+ (using CloudFlare as registrar and DNS). I was looking to transfer since Microsoft is going to stop officially supporting custom domain email hosting. I simply used an email client that supports IMAP to transfer everything. Logged into the Microsoft 365 instance of the email account and had the client download ALL of the email messages. Then transferred my DNS and domain from GoDaddy to CloudFlare. Set up the custom domain email through iCloud+, set up iCloud email via IMAP in the email client, then within the email client I dragged and dropped the emails to the new account. It took over a day to transfer around 100k emails. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lionslair50 · 2023-11-09 10:59 I use fastmail.com not free. But they are great and work on everything. https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000278042-Adding- Fastmail-nameservers-to-GoDaddy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lionslair50 · 2023-11-09 11:00 For the transfer I normally just setup the new account then copy the whole thing from one to another. Fastmail have import tool that I think I used and was really quick . I lost nothing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GolemancerVekk · 2023-11-09 11:12 It wasn't, thank you, it makes it seem like the whole family can only use 5 devices at once. The Microsoft page isn't particularly clear on that either, they should add "each user can". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GolemancerVekk · 2023-11-09 11:15 How is a completely non-technical person going to solve this on their own? Start studying to be a Microsoft sysadmin? Hire a Microsoft sysadmin? I think $12/mailbox for a one time migration is not a bad deal. And btw if you go ask on /r/sysadmin about it this is the same answer you'll get: use BitTitan and call it a day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- flaotte · 2023-11-09 15:04 >zoho do they have free plan? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheGurrams · 2023-11-09 15:49 Here is how i use email with my custom domain for free. Transfer your domain to cloudflare(affordable renewal prices than any other domain registration service). I use skiff mail with my domain to send and receive emails, skiff mail is a free service for custom domains. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jicole · 2023-11-09 15:56 Thank you everybody! I am overwhelmed with appreciation for your collective responses. It seems like I am far from trapped. Thank you very very very much. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- therealSoasa · 2023-11-09 17:08 Guess the clue is in the "I'm in over my head" statement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistractionRectangle · 2023-11-09 17:14 Indeed. Also, selfhosting is just shuffling the costs, not saving money. Doing it yourself still requires you pay for a server(s), but now you have to wear all the hats and maintain a production system. Which is fine, this is /r/selfhosted after all, but either you pay with money + time, or pay someone else money that does this for a living. It's not a waste. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scytob · 2023-11-09 17:15 Agreed, I moved all mine from godaddy to cloudflare to save money. My email is with M365. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BillGoats · 2023-11-09 17:41 what is this btnet? cool ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrSleeps · 2023-11-09 18:44 They can just point the mx record to a new mail host ---------------------------------------------------------------------- therealSoasa · 2023-11-09 18:51 So then best way to approach this is to make a backup and then restore it. pst from outlook is easy can Google it costs nothing. Move your email to where you want it once or many times , restore or use the past as an archive. In both cases you don't need overlay products that do the same thing native clients have been doing for decades , you're just adding another kink to the confusion train. K.i.S.S and you won't end up in over your head 😜 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ZaxLofful · 2023-11-09 19:46 You can easily archive your emails and add them back later….just move off go daddy! You are in a situation, where you are imposing a limitation on yourself for no reason! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- springs87 · 2023-11-09 21:25 They do. It's called the forever free plan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rainformpurple · 2023-11-09 21:32 Mailstore Home is a free tool to backup email from various providerds to local storage and/or a new email provider. I'm using it to migrate away from Microsoft 365. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kooky_Percentage3687 · 2023-11-10 05:00 This or use gmail/outlook. They take a little more configuration and bastardisation but it works