Buy own hardware and selfhost co-loc. reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-01 10:39 Hi, i currently renting a server as Hetzner for about 90-100 euro/month I was thinking that it might be cheaper (per year) buying my own server for like 1-3k euros and go to a co-location with the server and "only" pay for the electricity, hosting and internet, and not continuye pay for the hardware it self. But every time i try to "pick together" "my server", it becomes really expensive because i want to add "this and that" and have "more power than the universe" in my cpu.. (which i probably dont need half of it) ​ I currently got something like 20TB harddrives (summed up), 128 GB of ram. I would need atleast 10TB storage.. perhaps even closer to 100 GB for offsite (off-home backup) Need some space to test virtual machines of what ever i want to test/do today. Currently i only run 3 servers that is java based, semi-moderate cpu usage, moderate to high storage usage both in space and "traffic". No time sensetive that needs to happen i real-time. ​ Any idea of what kind of hardware i should look at, limit to how powerfull cpu do i really need and stuff like this. 128GB of ram, is nice to have.. but i dont think i need more than 32-64GB ram for my current usage. And hardware/storage.. it becomes quite expensive if you skip the consumer level stuff. ​ My initial idea getting this server was to host my own mail server for my 3-5 domains. Host my business low-trafic webpage (almost no trafic to the site, almost no content so basically more or less a static page or three). VM's to test/seperate other stuff that i either need or want to test/do. I often look at [bargainhardware.co.uk](https://bargainhardware.co.uk) for refurb server and hardware, and even here (post-brexit) the server gets really expensive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 11:14 A HP G9 with 52 cores and 256GB RAM is about 300$, that's not really expensive compared to your 1-3k. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 11:19 Until you start powering it in the EU and pay like 100s of € per month for the electricity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 11:23 Your point? I'm not getting it since OP wants to Co-Lo with a 19" systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 11:25 Yes, and *old* hardware like your mentioned HP G9 system draw a lot of power while running. Since OP wants to put their server into a colo, they usually need to pay the electricity bill. My point is that a newer system can make a lot more sense compared to an older one because the continuous costs to keep it running may be higher than the initial system price. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 11:28 Most Co-Lo charge a base price that includes n-Watt. G9 idles at 130W. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 11:32 Even 130W idle are 49.6€ per month when considering the power prices of the Hetzner colo. I still suggest using newer hardware (i.e., hardware, that isn’t 9 years old) to save on running costs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 11:36 Sure, so what do you suggest with the same numbers but less Wattage? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 11:39 We‘ve built a computing node at work with an Epyc 7xx3 CPU and 256GB of RAM. If I‘m not mistaken, this system idles well below 100W even with a dedicated BMC onboard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 11:40 and if the Co-Lo has more than 100W included for 1U? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 11:42 If this is the case, the base colo price is either very high (because of the included electrical power) or the colo is in a country that has very low energy prices. For example: I have a 1u server co-located in a datacenter in Frankfurt (Germany) and the housing costs me 30€ per month without power. I don’t think any provider can include 100W of power for this low price can’t they? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 11:44 No, but I doubt you have any usefull services included in the 30€/month for 1U. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 100GHz · 2023-11-01 11:46 I am trying to do the math at 30c/kWh but I simply can't get to something like $300/mtu for a single server. How are you calculating the cost? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 11:47 What do you consider useful services for a colo? I agree with you that we need not information from OP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-01 11:47 And for europe/sweden there another 25% tacked on the price tag.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 11:49 Some older systems idle at >200W without disks and the electricity price is even higher for some providers, like Hetzner (0.54€/kWh) as I wrote in another comment. But you are right „hundreds of € per month“ was well exaggerated! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-01 11:51 Where do you operate at? Im looking at 1U's with enough storage, cpu and ram. CoLo in sweden can be pricey because of higer salaries, taxes and what not. but often included bandwidth, electricity in the per month price tag. ​ "Everyone" say that AWS/Azure will be so much cheaper.. But everytime i calc on my storage and ram usage i do now (when i can waste extra ram on a process because of 128GB ram in the server), the price on azure became like 4000 euro/month (selected same amount of storage and ram for example) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-01 11:53 >Until OP says what Co-Lo he will use None selected. Was going to "shop around" little later when i "found my hardware specs", leaning toward a physical location in sweden.. unless i can get a better service sending the box pre-configured for another location just plug in and start. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 11:56 Unlimlted traffic at least 1Gbps and one IPv4. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 100GHz · 2023-11-01 11:57 0.54 is very very expensive though. I can see why efficiency is valued so high over there. For comparison here in Toronto we are from 8.7 to 18.2 cents per kwh depending on the time of the day. It enables running older hardware a bit longer, which is probably a bit greener option than throwing it to a landfill sooner. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 12:11 Why? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-01 12:37 Because "we can".. or something like that. Everything, specially in sweden, compared to US is atleast 25% more expensive. Take PS5.. cheapest i can find is 536.23 USD / 508.28 EUR ([Prisjakt](https://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=5404790)) Compare to cheapest(?) ps5 on walmare, it is $419.99 (+$199 for shipping?!?!) ([Walmart](https://www.walmart.com/ip/TEC-Sony- PlayStation-PS5-Video-Game-Console-Digital-Edition-with-God-of-War- GOW-Ragnar-k-Bundle-PlayStation-5/1253846717)) Mind that walmart ps5 comes with a game too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 12:45 PS5 for me is also 500€ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-01 12:48 I would be able to bet that most European countries needs to pay around 500 euro for the ps5 only. And swedish prices didnt help with the inflation either, and lowered valued currency. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 13:04 🇨🇭 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-11-01 13:05 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 13:05 Unlimited traffic at least 1Gbps and one IPv4. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Refinery73 · 2023-11-01 13:28 Try to scale down and have offsite backup at a friends home. For what you try to do, in Intel nuc would likely do. You just need backup storage in addition. For backup you can think about cloud storage. Backup-tier is like 1$/mo/TB. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:03 You are absolutely right and owww, I would really like paying 8.7ct per kWh … ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:04 Unlimited traffic will cost you a fortune. For example, at Hetzner‘s colo, you get 2TB/month and must pay an additional price per used TB. Most housing providers I know will charge big for unlimited bandwidth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:05 Odd, I have unlimited traffic on all services I offer. See, there is your 30€ issue already. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:06 That issue is also present on the Hetzner housing which starts at 119€/month. As I wrote: All providers I know will charge you big for unlimited traffic. What is your provider and what do you pay for your service? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:07 I am a provider. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:07 Where can I get a backup for 1$/month/TB? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:07 And who is your uplink provider? Do you have a website for your offerings? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNodes · 2023-11-01 14:09 My Uplink Is Better Than Yours. *Disclaimer: My Mum Lets Me Run My Servers Under My Bed* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:09 DIA Sunrise, 100G. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:10 And what do you pay per month for an unlimited 100G connection? I bet it is at least 1k$/month, isn’t it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:10 Not even close. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:10 Higher or lower? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNodes · 2023-11-01 14:11 It Is Free As Mum Pays For It. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:12 Ah so it is a home connection for residents? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNodes · 2023-11-01 14:12 Something Like That, Yes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:14 Envy is the sincerest form of flattery. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:15 Yes okay, now I got it. Sure you can get unlimited connections *at home* for a reasonable price - but we are talking colocation *in datacenters* here. These are usually with higher SLAs and redundant supplies. Unlimited connections are **really** expensive in this context. If I‘m correct, you compared apples with oranges here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:15 6800CHF/month. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:17 Ah okay, so it is indeed really expensive :D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNodes · 2023-11-01 14:20 If You Get Someone Else To Pay For It Then It Is Not Too Bad. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:21 What do you expect for a 100G business DIA? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:24 You did not specify your connection as business before. So okay, a lot of comments later and I think my point from way above holds: Unmetered connections are really expensive and your isn’t an exception to that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:24 True ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:24 I think you confuse something. I offer unlimited VPS and bare metal traffic on all my offerings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNodes · 2023-11-01 14:27 I Offer Unlimited VPS From My Basement. It Has Good Uptime But I Have To Turn Them Off At Night Because The Power Costs Are Too High. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:28 And still you recommend 10 year-ish old hardware to other people for their colocation? I really don’t get it … ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:39 You should stop replying to a guy who is impersonating my account. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:43 Oh right … I did not see this one coming. That explains a lot of my confusion! Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:47 Glad to clear that up, but yes, I still recommend a G9 because of the price tag. 52 cores and 768GB RAM for less than 1k? Count me in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:50 If you need that amount of compute, it may be a valid solution. Nevertheless I would suggest to at least calculate the electricity bill and compare it with a more modern solution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:55 Sure, if you only need 64GB you can happily use a NUC that uses 60W, but co-location a single NUC is a bit odd to be honest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 14:56 That would be a nice picture to set up a NUC as colocation device in a rack :D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 14:58 Would easily be possible to create a custom 2U shelf with dedicated PSU to power like 20 NUCs in 2HE? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 15:03 Yes, I do think so. IIRC, I once saw a picture from a Jetbrains guy that used a custom shelf to host a dozen Mac Minis with M1 chips for CI. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 16:35 What would you pay for either a 32GB or 64GB NUC with local 4TB NVMe storage? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 16:36 What do you mean? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 16:37 What do you think would be a good price to charge? Intel NUC 64GB RAM 4TB NVMe and 1Gbps sync with public IPv4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 16:40 Apart from the networking, the machine alone should probably cost 50-80€/month, I guess. The unmetered connection makes it really valuable^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 16:46 That seems a bit much. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 16:48 I think it depends on the CPU. If you rent a dedicated machine at Hetzner, the prices start at around 50€/month. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 16:55 I'll figure something out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 16:57 Apropos pricing: What is your price for a 1u housing with around 75W idle power including traffic? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 18:15 1U, 1 x IPv4, 150W, 1Gbps unlimited is 49 CHF per month. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 18:22 Wow, that is indeed a nice price. What do you charge for a /29 IPv4 subnet and a /64 IPv6 subnet? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 18:31 IPv4 is 3 CHF per IP. I don't do IPv6. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CyberHouseChicago · 2023-11-01 19:40 Anyone that says that is clueless , which un fortunately is a lot of people ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quickcheapgood · 2023-11-01 19:46 Lol seriously they must mean not including egress ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cltrmx · 2023-11-01 19:50 This price is reasonable but no IPv6 is, unfortunately, a bummer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-01 21:07 Can't have everything. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- YaMoef · 2023-11-01 21:15 Yea right, I did get an old Fujitsu server which had (too) much computing power for only €110. I regretted it when I got the first electricity bill. Buying a cheap server will probably result in big electricity usage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tech2but1 · 2023-11-01 22:31 I wouldn't be fucking about with hosting my own email server. Web hosting and email is not worth the hassle, just get a cheap webhost (a reseller account even if there's a few accounts to get up) and then what's left? Few VMs for testing? Not sure you really need a colo for that. Still cheaper to just get a semi reasonable spec server and self host. You don't necessarily need huge specs, my testing server has about 20 VMs (mainly actively used Windows VMs) and it's only got a couple of 2.4GHz Xeons and 128GB RAM, CPU is idle most of the time and RAM is usage is around 70-80%. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-01 22:52 >Still cheaper to just get a semi reasonable spec server and self host. This is my main problem.. How to find the reasonable specs. One of the servers is java based (linux, windows, whatevs os). ​ Server Hardware requirements Generally a 1GHz processor and 1GB of RAM should be fine. The Server will run on smaller systems, but it uses at least 128MB of RAM, so unless the system does nothing else it will struggle in less than 512MB. However, the processor is less of a problem, people have been known to run it on 400MHz Pentium 2's or ATOM's, although downloads and browsing would be slow. The Server will use a portion of your disk for storing data, you can configure this to any size from 100MB upwards, but we recommend at least 1GB. The Server also uses disk space for your downloads. The Server's memory usage is approximately 256MB plus 400kB for every 2GB of datastore. But the server are allowed to use alot more ram.. something like 8GB/server im running. They are also given something like 50-100GB storage. But then i also have to add some VM's for some webservers, perhaps nextcloud bitwarden.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tech2but1 · 2023-11-01 22:59 I'm not sure what you're asking. What is the issue there? I gave you the specs of my server and they aren't great, pretty much scrap pile stuff nowadays. Maybe you're misunderstanding how a proper hypervisor works? You don't need to match the servers specs with the sum total of all the VMs requirements, the whole point is resources are shared dynamically by the hypervisor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- migsperez · 2023-11-01 23:42 Many years ago I built my own 1u server, built on consumer parts, I filled it with drives and memory. Co-location costs including tax was £56 per month, cheapest available in the country at the time. Other costs I didn't account for were gaining access to the machine to fix or upgrade parts, driving to the data centre. Generally it was good experience, satisfying having almost total control over my platform. Do it for the experience. But Hetzner is difficult to beat for overall value. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- violet-crayola · 2023-11-01 23:52 Yeah what are those cores? Some ten year old Ivy bridge era? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Refinery73 · 2023-11-02 00:34 AWS Glacier deep archive, depending on region. No additional fee to write the files. You pay heavy fees if you ever need to retrieve them. I think it was like 70$/TB or something like that. I have local backups for all normal circumstances and if I’m enough in trouble to need the cloud backup, loading back my 3TB will be acceptable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- befitting_semicolon · 2023-11-02 02:03 Sounds like you need a beast of a server! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-02 04:18 Is 130W a lot? That's how much a G9 idles at woith balanced power settings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-02 04:23 Does it matter? What workload do you have? Even todays platinum Xeon have mostly a base frequency of < 3GHz but a single CPU costs more than 2k. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Morgennebel · 2023-11-02 05:40 Change your approach. My Homelab are 4 Wyse 5070 J5005 from eBay (100€ each), each pimped to 32 GB RAM and 512GB SSD. Each gives 4 cores and 10 GHz. Totals to 40 GHz CPU and 128 GByte RAM. With some external disks and OPNSense Firewall the entire setup pulls 40 W in use providing 16 containers in total for 12 users. Each Wyse pulls 5.5W on average and is at 0.35 15Min load. I run Seafile CE, IOBroker, Jump, Audiobookshelf, Taiga, Vaultwarden, Gitea, Immich, Paperless-ngx, Vikunja, Tandoor and others Offsite store using rclone to Backblaze. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- howhighsss · 2023-11-02 06:28 The main problem is, if you encounter a hardware failure, this will cost you, where if you face it in hetzner, they are covering it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- YaMoef · 2023-11-02 07:03 The Fujitsu idles at 250 which is much more, so 130 is on the lower end, but every watt that can be saved should be saved. Otherwise you will pay everything back in electricity ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-02 07:05 You are correct, how about we change that? How about we make electricity cheaper and not more expensive? Vote and elect officials which promote this idea, and not the others who want to increase the cost of electricity even more every year. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ma29he · 2023-11-02 08:04 I think for your usecase the cheapest and most simple VPS would do. Providers like hostens.com offer them for under 4€ a month. To replicate this in a self owned machine you certainly do not need to spend more than 300$. (+ storage space) My gut feeling is that your off-site backup currently takes too much space than it needs. Have you looked into data compression and deduplication? Restic is for example a great tool for that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- YaMoef · 2023-11-02 08:34 Well I would like to, but in Belgium this is an impossible challenge. We (Belgian government) want to get rid of nuclear power plants and buy electricity from neighbouring countries. Of course this is not cheap and causes our electricity to be really expensive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-02 08:53 Do not vote for these politicians who want to get rid of nuclear power and then buy nuclear power at a premium from France. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-02 10:24 TBH, i really do not think i do.. But i need to covince my self that i DONT need a quantum\^25 computer.. But i dont want to "sell my self short" getting too little ram, hdd or cpu(cpu is the one that gives me problem.. Do i need 256 cores and 1 gigafloopies L1 cache etc?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-02 10:32 >Change your approach. This i gladly do, because im sorta lost what i \*need\* and what i \*want to have\* differs alot i think. ​ >My Homelab are 4 Wyse 5070 J5005 from eBay (100€ each), each pimped to 32 GB RAM and 512GB SSD. Each gives 4 cores and 10 GHz. > >Totals to 40 GHz CPU and 128 GByte RAM. With some external disks and OPNSense Firewall the entire setup pulls 40 W in use providing 16 containers in total for 12 users. Each Wyse pulls 5.5W on average and is at 0.35 15Min load. Here my head started to spin.. 40 Ghz for a cheap price sounds a bit "too good to be true" (Or was it supposed to say 4.0 GHz?). Is it consumer cpu or enterprise? I guess i have consumer stuff on the Hetzner baremetal i rent, so i guess a consumer cpu would do in this case too. Its not really life critical stuff i host on this server, doing alot of testing stuff, but plan to host my own static company page and other stuff. I googled Wyse 5070 J5005, but i seem only be able to find a dell thinclient. ​ ​ >I run Seafile CE, IOBroker, Jump, Audiobookshelf, Taiga, Vaultwarden, Gitea, Immich, Paperless-ngx, Vikunja, Tandoor and others > >Offsite store using rclone to Backblaze. It looks like seafile CE would fit on the server to have as an offsite backup for my laptop and computers. I got a 4TB tresonit cloud service that can hold backup of the backups of the importan stuff aswell use it as everyday cloud sync files between devices. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-02 10:33 True, and this is why i have a slightly higher monthly price renting the server, to cover the hardware. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-02 10:36 >Restic This looks nice, have to look into it a bit more. Currently my backups does not take alot of space.. perhaps 1TB all together with some duplicates (not compressed tho) Bought "extra much" storage to have room to expand to other service tests i want to do, have "enough" storage for testing and backupping. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tech2but1 · 2023-11-02 10:44 Several countries think this is the way forwards. But we can't all buy from the neighbours, there won't be any neighbours left, and the ones that provide electricity will just charge more, which is what is happening now. World's fucked, it ain't getting any better, we're hundreds of years into terrible decisions, not going to reverse it now. The human race is an absolute disgrace. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tech2but1 · 2023-11-02 10:47 > I googled Wyse 5070 J5005, but i seem only be able to find a dell thinclient. This is expected. Dell bought Wyse some years ago. Wyse is Dell. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Morgennebel · 2023-11-02 10:50 Yes, I am using fanless pimped ThinClients as Homelab servers. And I am happy (as in Germany energy is too expensive). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-02 11:43 I assume you run them at home or in an office, and not on a co- location "bunker" data center? This might be an option if i could find and rent a small office space with internet and power and a locked door, might even become little cheaper if i can find such office near me in this village.. then i could just take the bike to the office and tinker with the server(s).. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Morgennebel · 2023-11-02 12:45 Find a friend with fiber at home, buy a tiny rack, pay friend for fiber and power. Get an UPS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-02 13:03 >Find a friend Already failed successfully here ;P ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Morgennebel · 2023-11-02 14:48 No family you trust? Parents who will not unplug a Raspberry Pie 4 with 18 TB disk somewhere stored on a shelf? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FuriousRageSE · 2023-11-02 15:04 Dont want to put it my moms place, rental, small-ish, not so tech-savy Only close friend i have, does not live close (which is good for backup purpose), but he lives in a even smaller flat than my mom. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- violet-crayola · 2023-11-02 21:55 Well, I admittedly not familiar with how colocation charges you for electrical. What would this HP g9 run you a month if its always at 30% capacity? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-11-03 06:09 There are two models: Model A has a fix price for the space (U) and some power included (W) and the internet connection (IP and traffic). Model B has a fix price for the space (U) no power included (W) and the internet connection (IP and traffic). Model A is more common since selling you a package means a higher margin because not everyone will use the W that you pay for. Some charge by the W, others charge in brackets of 500W, so you pay for 500W or 1000W or 1500W a month, regardless of how much you use. How much your G9 uses depends on the CPUs and the storage you use. 2 x high end CPUs with 140W TPD will cost a lot more than some lower end CPUs with 70W TDP or even just using a single CPU. CPU is never, ever the problem. I currently have 3584 CPU cores per cluster and I’m not even using 10% of it. Where as I have 49TB RAM per cluster and that is used almost 60%. CPU really, does, not matter! I only have dual CPU because I use all PCIe slots and full RAM.