What selfhosted service have the best "return of investment" reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tonydocent · 2023-10-29 17:46 Hi guys, What services do you think have the best return of investment? Where is it truly worth it to selfhost? Cheers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EndlessHiway · 2023-10-29 17:47 All of them since I have paid nothing for any of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrpink57 · 2023-10-29 17:50 Probably vaultwarden. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 17:52 Pihole, Vaultwarden, Home Assistant, Sunshine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Glum-Okra8360 · 2023-10-29 17:52 Vaultvarden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- puppetjazz · 2023-10-29 17:53 Anything attached to my files I got on the seas. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Footz355 · 2023-10-29 18:03 Home Assistant, jDownloader, Audiobookshelf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarkKnyt · 2023-10-29 18:04 Jellyfin. Netflix/prime doesn't have everything and by converting my physical collection to streaming, I've already seen things that I've just stashed for the last 10 years. Immich. IMO it's just a good as Google photos. I'm nearing 100 GBs on Google, mostly due to family, so I need a place that can continue scaling. I'm at 84 GBs and I'll leave the Google backup for my less tech savvy family. Proxmox backup server. Backup yo shit. Not self hosted but I rclone to OneDrive for stuff I absolutely can't lose. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-10-29 18:13 Any FOSS since it is literaly free and costs you nothing to use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hdddanbrown · 2023-10-29 18:13 Who said anything about money? The time spent setting something up is absolutely a investment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tonydocent · 2023-10-29 18:14 Yes that's what I meant. Therefore the quotation marks in the title ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EndlessHiway · 2023-10-29 18:14 What time? A couple of minutes here and there is nothing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- UnkwnNam3 · 2023-10-29 18:15 I think Immich is way better than Google photos. The face detection is completely insane. Google photos always messed up faces. Never had a single case in Immich. It also detects angles where I have to think myself if it is really the face ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hdddanbrown · 2023-10-29 18:17 Apparently some people consider their own time absolutely worthless because they see time spent setting something up, learning things, not as a investment. I somehow doubt that OP was asking specifically about a financial investment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hdddanbrown · 2023-10-29 18:18 I dont expect any other overly simple logic from you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pattywhakk · 2023-10-29 18:19 I wish Vaultwarden would let you sort by date. Only thing holding me back. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Elle221LL · 2023-10-29 18:21 immich is my Top 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-10-29 18:24 [removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VoltageDolphin · 2023-10-29 18:25 Shut up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yali0n · 2023-10-29 18:31 paperless-ng is a really nice one. it puts an index on all your paperwork and make everything searchable ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ironman730 · 2023-10-29 18:32 Can you elaborate on your proxmox backup setup? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AmateursPls · 2023-10-29 18:32 I'm pretty convinced that on the whole the majority of people are going to spend more on electricity than you are going to save just purchasing subscriptions to fulfill the services. This is without factoring in potential variables like buy-in cost, cost of a domain or VPN, repairs/replacements, the value of your time invested... At the end of the day, for almost everybody here, selfhosting/homelabbing is a hobby first, that just has the nice side- effect of practical advantages. Now this isn't a blanket truth. I'm not going to touch on the privacy benefits of controlling your own data here, that's a different topic. And there are also ways to mitigate your electricity costs, such as Wake-On-LAN or smart powerboards, but most of us prefer to have our services available 24/7 from my observations. Technically speaking I could see a raspberry pi running vaultwarden ending up the more economical approach for a password manager vs a subscription service pretty quickly, maybe by the 2nd year if you get a **really** good deal on one, probably more likely by the 3rd year just taking a quick glance at the costs of a password manager sub vs the cost of a Pi3 and a very rough estimate of the annual cost of powering one. With the latest crackdown on sharing screens on streaming services, if you share say a Jellyfin instance with lots of family members, this again could add up pretty quickly - If we ignore buy-in cost (maybe you have an old low-power device with a few HDDs laying around), again I could see savings by the 2nd-3rd year potentially, BUT you would need a very efficient setup that isn't doing any transcoding leading to jacked up that power usage. Of course, you get the benefit of picking whatever media you want - Although some people could argue this is in fact a burden instead of a benefit, not to mention the legal issue. Again, Nextcloud vs say a 365 subscription. You could potentially save money here over a very longterm on a very lean setup, but I doubt it. There's a very huge crossover between people who need an office cloud solution, and people who would be offered one for free through work or education. Selfhosting is a fun hobby, with immense privacy benefits, basically. If saving money was really all that possible from it, we'd all go into business as service providers ourselves and make a buck along the way, but it's basically impossible to do and provide services any cheaper than these megacorporations already do for profit. Some people will be likely to dispute this, and I'd welcome it - I'd be interested in some concrete numbers that go deeper on the realistic costs vs savings than the rough estimates I glanced over, if they do. This is my $0.02 on the matter though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hdddanbrown · 2023-10-29 18:32 Hmm no? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fortisvita · 2023-10-29 18:34 Also the power consumption and the hardware. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 18:35 Its the literal name of the software: https://proxmox.com/en/proxmox- backup-server/overview ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ddproxy · 2023-10-29 18:36 Sort what by date? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kon_dev · 2023-10-29 18:36 Paperless-NGX and restic REST server ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ironman730 · 2023-10-29 18:38 Huh, kinda like Veam then? Never knew this existed. Thnx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hdddanbrown · 2023-10-29 18:38 True, but i wanted to keep my reply simple for certain people. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pattywhakk · 2023-10-29 18:38 Your logins and passwords within Vaultwarden. Being able to sort by ‘date created’ or ‘date modified’ can come in handy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- hdddanbrown · 2023-10-29 18:38 But the question isnt about money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AmateursPls · 2023-10-29 18:39 Uhhhhhh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe_Isko · 2023-10-29 18:42 I like hosting nextcloud. If anything, it's like getting free Dropbox. That's at least 10 bucks a month right there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 18:42 Bitwarden doesnt support it either, so of course Vaultwarden doesnt. Submit it as a feature request to Bitwarden, but imo its a bit of a odd request and i cant imagine a workflow where this would be really useful to a good number of people. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ddproxy · 2023-10-29 18:43 I don't know why that'd be handy since I deal with passords, OTPs one account/record at a time. If the metadata is there, could probably hit the API and self-sort an output if it's not in the endpoint. But, that wouldn't be in Vaultwarden and would be a separate tool at that point. Sorry, dev thoughts... Not a quick or elegant solution. But, just to point out, if the Bitwarden application does it, Vaultwarden eventually will since the developers want a 1:1 feature/api compliance with Bitwarden. Tis why there are no extra features between them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SUDO_KILLSELF · 2023-10-29 18:48 What kind of things are people using download managers for? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-10-29 18:51 electricity here is .10/kwh. my elec bill doesn't even notice if my server is on or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RealmOfTibbles · 2023-10-29 18:51 Theirs definitely metadata for when the item was last updated, when the password was last updated, password changes ( ether number of changes and or history of passwords) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- trigger2k20 · 2023-10-29 18:51 Pihole, vaultwarden, home assistant, arr stack (obviously saving loads of money here) and unifi since all cctv is self hosted at home. No need to pay Google or a third party to save my recordings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grateful_bean · 2023-10-29 18:52 Adguard Home ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Dragonfruit_5882 · 2023-10-29 18:52 Well seems like the downvotes get you to shut the fuck up :) <3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Dragonfruit_5882 · 2023-10-29 18:55 Then you got the wrong Server xD... I pull 60kWh a Day with my Servers, even with your Price thats 6 Euros a day ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrcaptncrunch · 2023-10-29 18:56 Find old ones that haven’t been updated if you want to rotate all your passwords or if you have determined a new min complexity you want for them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-10-29 18:57 sounds like i built the right one :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dervish666 · 2023-10-29 18:57 Are you running a data centre? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 19:02 Vaultwarden can generate reports, for example a list of considered low complexity passwords, or insure URLs (no https), or reused passwords etc. Again, if Bitwarden doesnt have it as a feature, Vaultwarden doesnt get it either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EndlessHiway · 2023-10-29 19:03 okay lil guy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VeryLongHairGuy · 2023-10-29 19:03 \*paperless-ng**x** paperless-ng is no longer maintained. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pattywhakk · 2023-10-29 19:03 I don’t think it’s an odd request. I use it all the time with 1Password, but I’d rather use Vaultwarden. It looks like the feature request has already been added with a few other people looking for the same type of functionality. [Feature Request](https://community.bitwarden.com/t/sort-items-by-date-of- modification-addition-last-use-etc/2484/131) To each their own tho. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jsaumer · 2023-10-29 19:03 I use Veeam at work. I thought about using the community edition and use agents in my home lab. But... Proxmox Backup Server just works. I am happy with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AmateursPls · 2023-10-29 19:06 Yep, no idea what these guys are running. I ran my machine through an energy bill calculator a while back and it was drawing about $50 AUD/month, and that could rise up if I was doing a lot of GPU-bound tasks (moonlight or a lot of transcoding). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jsaumer · 2023-10-29 19:07 You did. Being energy efficient is something that all home labs should aspire for. I don't need a pig of a rack mount server to run my containers. I don't run anything intense. Two 35W micro pc's in a proxmox cluster, with max ram does the trick. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 19:09 > It looks like the feature request has already been added with a few other people looking for the same type of functionality. Feature Request Originally from 2018, doesnt look like Bitwarden thinks this is a priority. Good luck tho, hope they add it some day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-10-29 19:10 yeah, we were both making jokes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yali0n · 2023-10-29 19:13 you are absolutely right. thanks for clarification ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sarkomoth · 2023-10-29 19:14 I too practice maritime commerce. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrcaptncrunch · 2023-10-29 19:15 Yeah. I’m really curious where OP is and how much they’re paying for it to matter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 19:15 Dude is a obvious smurf account of someone else here, they use it only to be rude and otherwise dont use this sub here at all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarkKnyt · 2023-10-29 19:15 I'm pleasantly surprised by the face detection as well. For me though it captures every face, even complete stranger one offs..Google seems to be more selective. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExperimentalGoat · 2023-10-29 19:17 I'm thinking about getting into Immich, but how is it security-wise? Are people successfully opening ports to the internet so their phones can sync while they're outside their home network without using a VPN? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Dragonfruit_5882 · 2023-10-29 19:18 I know, but i love it man. The Day i defended you against the Oracle idiot made my whole week. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrcaptncrunch · 2023-10-29 19:19 I know about exports and feature parity. You mentioned you didn’t get a workflow and I provided one. Not the same anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 19:19 True. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 19:20 I dont remember sorry. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarkKnyt · 2023-10-29 19:21 Like /u/jsameur says, it (pbs) just works (now that I figured it out). I have a local install over my proxmox, it works fine and is accessible via a webgui. I backup all my proxmox lxc and VMs to a separate 18 TB hard drive. Then I have another install... backed up to a 8TB external Seagate, running in an lxd, running on Ubuntu, running on an iMac I repurposed. For files (docs, images, home video, downloads) that are on my nas mount, o actually use borg backup in the same setup. This is because pbs doesn't play nice with volumes that are not snapshot table like my NTFS and ext4 volumes (which is what my "nas" has mounted). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExperimentalGoat · 2023-10-29 19:24 Yeah, same. Most of my servers are just desktops that I upgraded from and no longer had a use for. My entire setup running several machines draws 0.5kWh maximum at peak power consumption which is like $0.05/hr. Which is $1.20 a day or $37/month. Realistically I'm only using about half that amount of power monthly on any given month. Consider some basic subscriptions people have that are completely replaced by even a basic homelab setup: Netflix/Disney+/Peacock/Audible/Office365/Ring Cameras/alone would be over a hundred dollars a month. I have.. electricity and a $12/year domain? So $20/month? Easily 5x cheaper than subscriptions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarkKnyt · 2023-10-29 19:25 So I don't open it up to the Internet. I have wireguard on my home router that acts as the server and my homelab is at another location with another router that has a wireguard client. The end effect is that when I am home or connected via VPN it syncs like normal, so every night when I come home. I also run tailscale and will probably do that when all my gear is colocated. With regards to opening ports, I do this for my website - duck dns to my router to nginx proxy manager to my docker container running in an unprivileged lxc. It'd be pretty hard for any attack to make its way to the rest of my system. I'd be following the same process if I wanted to open up jellyfin, mattermost, kasm whatever but for those it's just easy to VPN. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Charming-Molasses-22 · 2023-10-29 19:25 Obviously Nextcloud. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FateOfNations · 2023-10-29 19:25 The “time spent setting it up” can be accounted for in a number of ways. For many of us it’s some form of entertainment/recreation/education, which provides utility independent of the functionality of the software that you’d otherwise buy/subscribe to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Momciloo · 2023-10-29 19:26 BCMS, a self-hosted headless cms ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mystarkfuture · 2023-10-29 19:31 Bitwarden itself costs only $10/year. So, besides the self hosting aspect of it, actual RoI is very less. On the other hand something like Nextcloud or Plex Media Server + Plex Amp (Or Jellyfin) will save you a bunch of money if you are okay with the sailing the high seas aspect of it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- atheken · 2023-10-29 19:32 I think this is a general issue with this sub, there are different levels of "self-hosting" and different reasons to self-host. I generally group them in two ways: - Amateur/Hobbyist vs. Professional (I generally think this sub should skew to hobbyist). - Reason for self-hosting: cost, privacy, and/or control. I am mostly self-hosting for privacy/control reasons, and am a competent professional that doesn't need to have HA from my setup. I run an Intel i3 NUC with a maxed out HD and RAM, and mounted B2 bucket. The hardware cost was minimal, and the power demands are pretty minor: 10-40w (_worst case_ is about $4/mo. in electricity in my case). So there is an idea of TCO, but I'm hosting about a dozen apps, and spend a few minutes a month managing it, so it's actually pretty cheap, overall. With just replacing feedbin with miniflux, I've saved $3/mo. and I have a few other examples. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Beastmind · 2023-10-29 19:32 For me it's Nextcloud. I have everything important syncing from photos to programming projects to invoices, etc and just that in itself is worth the 40 bucks a month I pay for my whole server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Dragonfruit_5882 · 2023-10-29 19:32 Yeah. But i love it. I use the 3 Clusters for My Company + for my selfhosted shit aswell. Not much power tho, 128 CPU cores + 512 GB RAM Total. Not the most efficient setup, but it works fine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kqadem · 2023-10-29 19:33 to download cars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RIP_RIF_NEVER_FORGET · 2023-10-29 19:33 A pi3 with Pihole, Unbound, Wireguard, and Bitwarden, you'll learn a ton about docker and Linux as well as be forced into interacting with your network and understanding it a little bit. It's cheap and useful, block ads, speed up your browsing with local recursive dns, and get a password manager that requires secure VPN to access. It's a great project that scales with user engagement. If you just want pihole, do that and consider scaling up with recursive dns on unbound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mystarkfuture · 2023-10-29 19:34 But for people like me setting up a new server is like a drug with an unmatched high. So, there is that aspect too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Dragonfruit_5882 · 2023-10-29 19:34 True, for your Services. Problem is i use the Servers from my own Company aswell for selfhosted stuff. Probably cheaper for me to go that route since i really need that power in the Company + i dont really see a point buying more Servers for selfhosted shit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-10-29 19:35 op isn't talking about money though. hence the previous response to this person. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mtojay · 2023-10-29 19:37 paperless-ngx + one of those modern scanners that can scan right to the consume folder. its so good. makes paperwork almost fun when you get a mail. i finally have it all digital. 90% of my paper i get per papermail i scan, and throw away. only really important stuff gets put in to those dusty old file folders now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- poorlychosenpraise · 2023-10-29 19:37 Homeassistant plus some plugins lets me set lights and AC units accordingly, and it's pretty nice. Homeassistant + Wireguard lets me do that from anywhere, and that's _great_. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GlassHoney2354 · 2023-10-29 19:39 I think the only real answer is is pirating stuff, and even then if you mainly watch mainstream stuff just getting a subscription or two is fine. I have no idea what the people who answer with stuff like 'vaultwarden' are smoking. There are so many free alternatives to vaultwarden. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-10-29 19:41 all the claims? ...of people running a ~40TB media server, system/phone/document backups, nextcloud and *arr downloaders? all off a i3-10100 with onboard gpu handling transcoding... yeah, i don't notice anything on a bill you _absolutely_ don't see most people here running anything in full racks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Moondogjunior · 2023-10-29 19:43 You don’t need it. You can just search for credentials by name (e.g. Amazon), or you can enter the url in your password entry, and when you’re on the page Amazon.com for example, it will pre-select that entry for you. Try it, you won’t miss sorting by date. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-10-29 19:44 yeah. for all the services listed in the comments here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thijsjek · 2023-10-29 19:45 Linux isos ---------------------------------------------------------------------- anachronisdev · 2023-10-29 19:51 Agreed, but I'd go for docspell even though they're quite similar. I guess just personal preference ---------------------------------------------------------------------- trexxeon · 2023-10-29 19:54 Bitwarden may not be expensive but it takes ages for them to improve the app ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WassiChain · 2023-10-29 19:59 Probably Nextcloud and Jellyfin imo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ManWithoutUsername · 2023-10-29 20:03 Even if i spent € 50 per month in electricity (I don't spend them) I am sure that everything I have in premises would cost more in the cloud ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 20:16 > There are so many free alternatives to vaultwarden. Vaultwarden itself is free too. Youre clearly missing the point here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SomeWeirdUserTho · 2023-10-29 20:18 Totally! Works with my HP as well perfectly using https://github.com/manuc66/node-hp-scan-to Shared the consume folder between both containers and can scan directly into paperless. A blessing to have. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BraianP · 2023-10-29 20:19 I find keepassXC to be the better alternative, I like that I can have window title matches with specific type templates. I se alt+P as my global type command and set some window typing matches to my putty servers so I don't have to type or copy anything. Just alt+P and enter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrpink57 · 2023-10-29 20:19 10/year does not get you organizations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comakip · 2023-10-29 20:19 Christ that scanner is expensive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- onekorama · 2023-10-29 20:20 Not as app, but a k8s cluster with a few nodes and high ram/disk space is quite expensive, and you can have it for free at home (well, you spend on computers, but you can also use old stuff). Sometimes you are near to hire a devops to help you with the upgrades and maintenance, but at the moment I resist. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dangernoodle01 · 2023-10-29 20:26 Pihole, Jellyfin, paperless-ngx, Immich and locally running LLMs (like chatGPT, but on your server) and proxmox. There are the things that I probably use every single day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Silencer306 · 2023-10-29 20:30 what are your automations? Looking to try homeassistant, but cant think of anything other than switch on or off lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TwoDogDad · 2023-10-29 20:30 I’m going to start using this terminology going forward. Awesome. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rymn · 2023-10-29 20:35 You like it better than photoprism? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr_doener · 2023-10-29 20:37 [Here](https://github.com/paperless-ngx/paperless- ngx/wiki/Scanner-&-Software-Recommendations) is a list with compatible scanners. All of them are more or less pricey though but maybe you can find good deals on used ones. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CossacKing · 2023-10-29 20:40 Personally, the only thing I'm hosting ATM is nextcloud, it's been one of the best things I've done for myself. Besides the "photo cloud storage" part, I often need to transfer files between my PC and phone. It's always been a hassle, I've tried many things from "Send anywhere", "my phone" on windows, emailing, posting on a self chat like discord, etc. They are all not ideal and just don't work sometimes. With automatic uploading from my phone, I have access to all of my phone's pics, documents, videos, music etc. I don't even need to bother going to my phone and sending it. Just remembering how I tried to send some photos over Bluetooth to my PC and it just wouldn't work, frustrates me. I keep finding more and more uses for nextcloud. I make videos for my friends of our adventures, trying to collect their media from them was a huge pain. The mix of android and iphone, bleh, had to use Snapchat for receiving media. Oh no, now I need to move that to my PC... Anyway, nextcloud let's me create a folder, share that folder to my friends group chat as a "file drop", they have no trouble uploading all their media, and I have it on my PC hassle free. MAGIC. To wrap up my gushing about this self hosted service, This has had the biggest ROI to date for me. It was my first time setting up a "server" (old PC) with Ubuntu server, I tried to use snap nextcloud, but I had issues with that (I think it was that it didn't let me choose where to store the media, I had a dedicated nvme drive for the server OS, and dedicated bulk raid configured 2.5" SSDs for media storing and it would only use the nvme drive) so I had to configure everything from scratch, which was really daunting. I am interested in setting up home assistant as I have some things I want to automate, like my window AC unit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Majority_Gate · 2023-10-29 20:41 I can see a use case for it. "Oh hey, honey, I signed up for some cool cooking lessons a week ago on this website, let me go find it and show you... Oh I can't remember the name, it's ok, it's the last website I joined, should be easy...oh damn, I can't sort my passwords by date-added. No problem, I'll check my web history, I think it was last Tuesday.... no maybe Wednesday, let me just read through all the websites here.... Dang I read a LOT of web sites in a week.... I'm just scrolling through history, babe! No problem, if I find it again, I'll call you over to my desk! " 3 hrs later ... Lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JudgeCastle · 2023-10-29 20:41 Does Immich preserve iOS Live photos? Google Photos when you upload them, it keeps the motion but loses the sound. One of the biggest detractors of GP. If I can get a place where I can send my photos without losing it, and without it being iCloud, that'd be great. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Simon-RedditAccount · 2023-10-29 20:44 PiHole probably is the best. Almost zero investment, maximum returns. Immich probably holds the second place. We can talk ages about Nextcloud, paperless, etc. Everyone's needs differ a lot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DubDubz · 2023-10-29 20:49 I’m almost certain it does as of like 8 months ago. It was my first deal breaker and I remember the patch note saying they added it. Still haven’t gotten around to setting it back up though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DubDubz · 2023-10-29 20:50 You should throw some donations at your favorites to help them keep working on it. Consider it “buying” it for $5. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lev400 · 2023-10-29 20:55 Plex or similar media server with port forwarding setup so you can use on devices wherever you are. AdGuard or similar DNS ad blocking service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IWANT2BEPILOT · 2023-10-29 20:57 Yep Immich does. You can see the live photo on web and iOS. I will say it’s not as fluid/natural as stock iOS photos app, but it works fine for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MeYaj1111 · 2023-10-29 21:11 This is one I've been really curious about for a long time now because it seems so popular on this sub. I'm 40 years old and I can't remember the last time I had a piece of paper in my hand. What in the heck are you people scanning? I've never scanned something in my life other than maybe when I was in high school or something. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- volrod64 · 2023-10-29 21:16 oof ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bSanderman · 2023-10-29 21:16 The ios native app is just a bit smoother than the photoprism web app. I'm not sure if i enjoy logging out and logging back in to access different libraries vs having multiple instances. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Discommodian · 2023-10-29 21:18 Ohbb yeah. Photoprism didn’t work with my reverse proxy for some reason and had no way to have more than one user. Also, the app that you use to sync your photos from your phone to photo prism costs money ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 21:19 What? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- alanshore222 · 2023-10-29 21:26 Proxmox hands down ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ast3r3x · 2023-10-29 21:27 - notification when washer/dryer finish (vibration sensors) - home security system created with HA (door sensors, motion sensors, cameras) - auto arm when everyone is away - auto disarm when someone comes home - auto lighting in rooms (on when you walk in, stay on 15 min after you leave, using motion sensors and radar) - gentle wake in the morning (bring certain rooms up to 100% brightness over 5 minutes) - wake scenes (same as normal but lights are capped at 20% ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ValVenjk · 2023-10-29 21:29 if you need to record and monitor some kind of data, grafana ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExperimentalGoat · 2023-10-29 21:36 Thanks for the reply. I guess I will wait for a security audit of some sort before I pull the trigger. Your VPN and website setups are virtually the same as mine and works great for me, but if I ever switch from Google Photos I will need external access for things I intend my wife to join (like Immich) so I don't have to provide a multi-step process and a writeup or something for her to upload her photos. If it's too complicated I will be the only one using it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comakip · 2023-10-29 21:37 Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GlassHoney2354 · 2023-10-29 21:38 can you explain to me exactly what the "return of investment" is on a (free) self-hosted alternative for a free service? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SuperMiguel · 2023-10-29 21:38 Divorce? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JudgeCastle · 2023-10-29 21:39 Excellent. may set it up and give it a whirl. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarkKnyt · 2023-10-29 21:40 That's true. My wife isn't tech savvy but she runs the iOS app and it works with the background updates. I don't have to VPN while at home so that makes it transparent to her. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-29 21:44 I could explain it to you, but that is not a worthy investment for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- primevaldark · 2023-10-29 21:49 Not RoI in terms of money, but the app that I use the most and that bring me the most convenience is something I wrote myself. I use a bike share service in my city a lot for commute, but the problem is to know if there are available bikes at the stations around my origin and available slots at the station around my destination. This information is available in the app but on a very crowded, ass-slow, hard to read map. I wrote a Python web app that extracts the information using (unofficial) API and gives me the needed summary in a glanceable form. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keyakinan- · 2023-10-29 21:52 You host the server external? Or why does it cost 40 dollar? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- madpork · 2023-10-29 21:54 Plex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rymn · 2023-10-29 21:55 Helpfulness score: -4 out of 10 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-10-29 21:58 What do you want to hear? The average stuff that gets mentioned here 200x a day? That basically everyone uses all the time? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GolemancerVekk · 2023-10-29 22:01 That's a good point. In that sense I think every service I've set up has been a good return, if only in forcing me to reevaluate my needs. I think the biggest value in technical knowledge wasn't any particular service but rather having to learn about Docker, reverse proxies and Tailscale. They tied in nicely with installing and configuring OpenWRT on my router, and with learning about domains/DNS/email etc. Self-hosting knowledge, like PC building and Linux, are worth it first and foremost for enabling you to take control of your digital life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- corsalove · 2023-10-29 22:01 I think you’re wrong. Yes, if you have to buy a rPi for bitwarden, you’re CAPEX+OPEX is probably higher then the cloud subscription. But that is not how most homelabbers run these.. most of us already have a running server and are just adding some containers/vm’s on the go.. For example, I already have a synology for our home picture library and some backups. But hey, this synology can run docker containers. It’s on 24/7 so why not take advantage of this? I’ve calculated I have about €180/month worth of services running on there. Of course I wouldn’t buy all of these if I had to. But about €50 to €60 worth of services I would have to.. (Google drive storage, backblaze, etc.) And yes.. this synology consumes power. 15W average. So less then €5 per month. For the price of Google cloud storage I have my own cloud storage.. of course, the CAPEX for that synology was quite high. Let’s say I save about €30/month. Thats €360/year. After 3/y my whole setup has been paid of. And I plan to replace my drives in 5 years! And I have all of this fun, self hosting stuff to play with.. included in the €5/month. So, I think you’re wrong. Self hosting is worth it. If you host multiple services. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- whhone · 2023-10-29 22:03 WebDAV and/or always-on Syncthing instance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- djgizmo · 2023-10-29 22:05 Vaultwarden. Been using it self hosted for 3 years. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rymn · 2023-10-29 22:09 The question op asked was good return on investment... The U200 would have zero return over somethtnore practical. New helpfulness score: 0/10 Read the question score: -4/10 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Imbecile_Jr · 2023-10-29 22:11 pihole and wireguard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- donair2099 · 2023-10-29 22:11 Stirling-PDF saved my butt when my wife needed to combine 40 pdf's into one and then rearrange the pages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ElevenNotes · 2023-10-29 22:12 A 100G DPI appliance costs 70k+ $, Grovf is free, the U200 is 2k, it doesn't get better than that my friend in terms of return of investment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3dk0w · 2023-10-29 22:12 NextCloud is the one "self-hosted" service that I pay someone else to provide (Hetzner). I was using it so much and shared it with my family and it became a chore to actually support. I also use the external service as an encrypted rclone target to back everything else up offsite. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- badadadok · 2023-10-29 22:13 would love to learn more about running local LLMs part... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GolemancerVekk · 2023-10-29 22:13 Sometimes it's hard to put a concrete number on savings but they're definitely there. When I reevaluated the offer of my former all-in-one provider and reorganized my domains, email, DNS and static hosting (learning more about them in the process) I reckon I've saved as much as $500 a year. I don't have a number for self-hosting my calendar and contacts but having them hosted by Google used to be my biggest fear, seeing how they're increasingly user-hostile nowadays and how they could decide to suspend your account at any given time for completely unrelated stuff like using an ad-blocker on YouTube. I've actually experienced them blocking access to my account on my home IP for an unknown reason (I suspect it's because ISP supplies rotating dynamic IPs and someone must've done something bad from that IP previously). It wasn't a nice experience. Same for reducing my use of gmail and yahoo mailboxes and migrating everything to my own domains – that was technically an increase in spending since those were free – but the peace of mind and control over my own online identity are priceless. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Beastmind · 2023-10-29 22:18 I'm renting the physical server ---------------------------------------------------------------------- readit-on-reddit · 2023-10-29 22:23 Use Nextcloud Memories instead then. They are built on top of Nextcloud which has active bug bounties and a dedicated team going through security vulnerabilities as opposed to someone working on their free time. Don't get me wrong, Nextcloud is not quality software in many respects. But I chose NC memories instead of Immich because I trust exposing NC more than exposing a new app that is not stable yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Silencer306 · 2023-10-29 22:28 Those are nice ones, how do you know if someone is home or away? Location tracking through their phone? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sir_Chilliam · 2023-10-29 22:34 wow, I am surprised this is the first I heard of this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zedris · 2023-10-29 22:38 Plex server even with the cost made its money back for me EASY. Pihole/adguard,vaultwarden,paperless-ngx. For accessing these wiregard and tailscale and ngnix proxy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- readit-on-reddit · 2023-10-29 22:38 Really doubt spending hours setting up a container that you then don't use very much is as valuable as setting up a service quickly that you also use often. The time spent configuring a service is not independent at all from the utility of the service itself. For most people anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SuperMiguel · 2023-10-29 22:45 BlueIris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Silencer306 · 2023-10-29 22:48 everything is unknown to me, are there any good guides out there to get started? Or the only way to learn is to get your hands dirty and make mistakes? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- katrinatransfem · 2023-10-29 22:49 Yes, or at least that is how I do it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Capricancerous · 2023-10-29 22:57 Plex can be one and done'd as well. No subscriptions necessary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dimspace · 2023-10-29 23:00 For me, Nextcloud by a mile. Not only does it replace my google services (Contacts, Calendar, Bookmarks), but also handles document and media backups, sync's my devices and I even use it for syncing a few select .config's between machines (For Konversation and a few other apps where i need synced configs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- conamu420 · 2023-10-29 23:02 nextcloud with only office setup. Saves on using office products. But if you are an apple user you dont pay for office software anyways. I run gitlab, nextcloud and some other things i use daily that replace services id need to buy so my ROI is already at like 280€ per month that I save, mostly on server hosting, storage and Software engineering tools. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ast3r3x · 2023-10-29 23:12 It is easiest to just install the app on everyone's phone so you have their location. But it is easy enough to tie into something like HomeKit too if people don't want to install an app on their phone. I assume Android has similar (and better) tracking features. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Innominate8 · 2023-10-29 23:23 My NAS. Aside from the stuff stored on it for use, having a single centralized, backed-up storage for all of my devices makes life so much easier than having to worry about the condition of each individual device. Replace a computer? The old one doesn't matter because it never stored anything important, the new one has instant easy access to all my stuff. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tactiphile · 2023-10-29 23:27 >makes paperwork almost fun when you get an old paper mail. I know! Sounds crazy, but I actually bought one of those ink stamps so I can add RECEIVED 10/29/23 on my paper mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- plupien · 2023-10-29 23:32 Nextcloud NAS nzbget ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AutoGenerationFailed · 2023-10-29 23:36 Yunohost has been a nice tool to quickly get a VPS running some services and learning a few things but it’s not perfect. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- segfaulting · 2023-10-29 23:41 What do you use from the paid version you don't get from the free? Been using it for years with hundreds of logins forgot there was a paid version ---------------------------------------------------------------------- trekologer · 2023-10-29 23:48 Many (most?) relatively recent Brother MFC units can scan to ftp or samba share plus ADF and one pass duplex scanning. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IAmMarwood · 2023-10-29 23:50 I bought a cheap little Dell 3020m to run as my PBS as I wanted the peace of mind of it being completely separate from my Proxmox host. I also rsync the backups daily to my free Oracle cloud instance as my offsite backup. It's a bit quick and dirty and I'm sure I'm probably doing something and the security front that's a terrible idea but it seems to work! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thenerdygeek · 2023-10-29 23:52 Home Assistant, Plex or Jellyfin, and nextcloud ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RIP_RIF_NEVER_FORGET · 2023-10-30 00:01 Yeah, there are guides to all of that as individual installs I'll define and explain some of those though. The Pi3 is just a recommendation, you could really run all of this on anything you want, but I like recommending the Pi's to newcomers. They are cheap, small, efficient to power all day as a server, and you don't have to feel bad about messing up the first few times. They use SD cards for primary memory, so mess up and just pull the sd card and flash it with the OS again. The Pi OS installer makes it easy to get it onto your computer from a terminal, without having to rig up an extra mouse, keyboard, and monitor. I'm going to walk through this from a high-level, think of each step as something to Google and get more info on. Or honestly, DM me, I love teaching people this kind of stuff and would love to help you or anyone else out. So you'll flash the Pi with the OS and in the process give it your wifi info and a username and password. I would recommend the normal OS for raspberry pi, not the Lite or Full version. You'll use a tool called Putty to access it via ssh. It sounds scary, but it's just a way to login to it over your home wifi. You login to your home router and see what IP address it gave your pi, then put that into putty and it should bring you to your Linux terminal. If you don't feel comfortable inside of a command line interface or terminal, the first thing you should install is a vnc server. That will let you login to the server and see a desktop instead of just the terminal. But you'll get used to the terminal soon enough. VNC server requires you to install a client on your other PC though, but then you can access the Linux server remotely and see a traditional desktop. So that should be a working Linux box. Run updates on it now with two commands. Sudo apt update. Sudo apt upgrade. Pihole is a DNS server. Domain Name System is the protocol that resolves web addresses like Google.com into their IP addresses. The PiHole acts as your forwarding DNS server, it will pass on requests for good websites and just not send the requests for ads. It will let you block ads on every device on your network. You use pre-defined lists of ad servers but can also block and unblock stuff yourself. Now lookup the command to install pihole. It's a pretty scripted install, just follow the directions. The hard part will be making sure youre not blocking too much. Also, make sure you set the pihole as the dns for your home router, or your devices won't even use it. PiHole does a ton of cool stuff, I really recommend setting up domain names for your stuff, it's really cool and instantly rewarding. This is an excellent stopping/rest point. You'll have Linux installed, updated, virtual access server setup, and a custom DNS server that shoots down ads with ease. But there's always more to do. The next one is Unbound. It's a separate thing, but for us, it's basically a mod to allow our PiHile server to act smart. It's going to start cache-ing our lookups so that it can just remember where google.com is, instead of looking it up every single time. This is a recursive DNS server. Look up a guide to this one for sure, there's a little bit to it, but a guide will get you there. Now again, this is a place a lot of people stop. Their network is adblocked, running a little faster with local recursive DNS, and you've done some cool Linux stuff. These next two are kind of side quests, if they interest you, go for it. If not, you have a cool project that cost you less than $50 and you learned a ton, not just about Linux and networking, but about your home network as well. BitWarden is a self-hosted password manager. Vaultwarden allows you to self-host on a raspberry pi with a special light-weight version of the site. This one gets a little involved, since it usually gets installed with docker. Docker is a weird thing that lets you setup, update, and delete containers that run software for you. It's a little complicated but guides will get you through it. It's a really cool process. And then WireGuard is a vpn that lets securely VPN into your network. It's super easy to setup and it's far faster than previous generations of VPN. With the VPN on your phone, you can always have ad blocking, and can always access your home network to download stuff or print. If you have vault warden, I would really recommend wireguard so that you can safely access your passwords away from home as well. Seriously if you have any questions along the way, send me a message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- compelledorphan · 2023-10-30 00:02 Wouldn't you just go to your emails and get the "welcome to cooking lessons" as the fastest route? Especially with the fuzzy search most email platforms and client have implemented these days. Searching via password creation seems to be intentionally taking the hard road. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DestroyerOfIphone · 2023-10-30 00:02 Duplicati is a gem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ericstern · 2023-10-30 00:04 Ah this is very cool, definitely setting this up on a docker compose stack this week to try it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DestroyerOfIphone · 2023-10-30 00:05 Nextcloud, Duplicati, Truenas, Home Assistant, Frigate NVR, Nginx Reverse Proxy, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Majority_Gate · 2023-10-30 00:07 I've searched the email inbox before. It does solve this problem, but only sometimes. In many cases I haven't had the email because I used a throwaway email like 10minutemail (so many websites will ask you to create an account just to explore something you found interesting!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chkpwd · 2023-10-30 00:15 I’m willing to teach? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Silencer306 · 2023-10-30 00:32 Thank you very much for this ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EspritFort · 2023-10-30 00:34 >Hi guys, >What services do you think have the best return of investment? Where is it truly worth it to selfhost? >Cheers A Mumble server. It's one single apt-get and there you go, voice chat for you and all of your friends. Been running it for over a decade now. Needs no maintenance, requires next to no resources (can run on a pi zero for dozens of people). I wish other tools were as simple to set up. I still haven't even found a basic **chat** application that requires as much or less effort to run. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RIP_RIF_NEVER_FORGET · 2023-10-30 00:41 Of course, I just did a bunch of this recently, so feel free to ask me questions along the way. It's a learning process and there's some stumbling that happens, but it's fun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ButCaptainThatsMYRum · 2023-10-30 00:44 It's been a long time since I've heard anything new on one of these things. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Taenk · 2023-10-30 00:46 Maybe they live in Germany like I do. You get all kinds of stuff still per mail, like most of stuff to do with insurance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheeze_It · 2023-10-30 00:57 Paid products are just as bad BTW.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- webbkorey · 2023-10-30 00:58 I've got paperless set up for my dad on his business server, he uses it to scan the many many invoices he gets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- buffer2722 · 2023-10-30 00:59 For me, it all started with having outside lights come on and off automatically at night. Everything blew up from there haha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- webbkorey · 2023-10-30 01:04 Lazy man's folder sync. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- webbkorey · 2023-10-30 01:10 There's two rack mount servers in my rack, but neither are turned on, and I don't think one even has an OS installed. One my dad was given for use with his business, and since he's still in the garage, a VM on one of my mini PCs does him just fine. The other my brother found for a couple bucks at a thrift shop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- webbkorey · 2023-10-30 01:12 I don't remember what my rack draws, but combine cheap power with a ton of solar panels, I only notice it when I get the whole rack and three of the gaming PCs ramped up to 100%. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Soc13In · 2023-10-30 01:15 i have some cases of multiple passwords saved for different domains of the same site and it would be helpful as the latest one is probably the one i want. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AmateursPls · 2023-10-30 01:18 Yeah having a read through all the replies I've gotten here has been fairly interesting. Apparently I've had a way over-exaggerated idea of the electricity cost or running a computer, or how much electricity costs for most people? I dunno. I honestly thought this was the fairly standard consensus amongst selfhosters/homelabbers, but turns out nope? I'm gonna have to figure out how how to accurately calculate the cost of running my computers (instead of using the estimation calculator my power company provided) and reassess this line of thinking. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- webbkorey · 2023-10-30 01:22 I also over exaggerated the power costs for a home lab too. My moment of realization was being able to run a 3d printer heatbed and all off a small jackery for 6 hrs. I realized things maybe don't draw as much power as I thought. The way I've calculated the cost in the past is plugging in a 'kill-a- watt' device between the computers and the wall, or more recently between the ups and the wall. Let it sit for a day or two and you'll get your min,max,average wattage and some other beat details. You take the info from that and find your $/kWh and math it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- johndoe_duckdns · 2023-10-30 01:32 Its not just paper documents. I use it to auto save PDFs and other contract documents (e.g. insurance policies) received via email. It OCRs, adds metadata and indexes for easier retrieval. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Franvcg · 2023-10-30 01:39 Seems very useful, but why would you need a tool like this to be hosted on a server instead of running as a client application? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sea_stones · 2023-10-30 01:40 The big one for me will always be Navidrome (and the various *sonic forks before) because I have access to my music collection, and don't have to pay a subscription. Vaultwarden I'll give another +1, especially after fighting keeping KeePass synced across devices. Plus I have control over it. I'm sure throwing my torrent client helps because it's on a box that's always on and my computer can be turned off if we're talking cost of electricity. Or just general wear and tear on hardware. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrorbitman · 2023-10-30 02:10 Check out llama gpt. If you use a raspberry pi it might not be powerful enough though. https://github.com/getumbrel/llama-gpt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SquareBottle · 2023-10-30 02:19 2FA that automatically copies to your clipboard. So when you enter your password and the website asks for your 2FA code, you just hit ctrl-v and enter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- badadadok · 2023-10-30 02:23 I'll check it out, thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---005 · 2023-10-30 02:28 Thanks for this, I would definitely want to set this all up! Can you recommend a good self hosted backup for vaultwarden - and associates harddisks/nas. Thanks 🙏 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jrpetersjr · 2023-10-30 02:42 Client applications like this are typically expensive and sometimes only allow one install and then I imagine having this self hosted allows you access to those merged PDFs anywhere. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SpencerXZX · 2023-10-30 02:46 I have that scanner too, wish it had a wired option. I scan with 600dpi and it takes forever to send the file to my consume folder, is yours this way also? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ramzieusx · 2023-10-30 02:48 a good question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- igmyeongui · 2023-10-30 03:06 So sad my server is old and I have to run sunshine on my gaming pc 🥲 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- whoscheckingin · 2023-10-30 03:12 PiHole, Vaultwarden, Paperless-ngx, HomeAssistant + NodeRed, FreshRSS, Caddy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- J4m3s__W4tt · 2023-10-30 03:14 i run two bare metal installs of MoneyPrinterOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BrooklynSwimmer · 2023-10-30 03:24 I really want to use it but last time i looked it isn’t change the underlying files. Is if possible to now use it to actually rename and restructure the files? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sevynz13 · 2023-10-30 03:26 Haven't heard Mumble in a while. Just curious why you still use that and haven't moved to Discord? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CocoDwellin · 2023-10-30 03:58 Personally, I host a Stirling-PDF instance for friends and family. That way, they don't need to install anything clientside. I also switch between personal and work laptop, as well as my cell phone, when I'm at home. It's very nice to have this running in the web, for that reason. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- aramisathei · 2023-10-30 04:07 Psst...that's available with a vaultwarden backend. It's just a setting in the bitwarden app. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bhavik-chavda · 2023-10-30 04:23 If you share purpose, then it will be easier to answer it. Do you want a self-hosted service for yourself or for the product? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- death_hawk · 2023-10-30 04:44 One more I can think of is if you're migrating email addresses. It's easier to sort by date to find old ones you may have missed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik282000 · 2023-10-30 04:45 I really wish they had a better manual install option. Docker only kinda sucks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jcollie · 2023-10-30 05:05 Yeah mine is pretty slow as well. I don't scan a lot so I've just put up with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mijago · 2023-10-30 05:06 Can confirm. We still live in the dark age. Everything is eco but we still waste so much paper 🙄 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JQuilty · 2023-10-30 05:16 Nextcloud. Got tired of bullshit with dropbox pricing, device limits, and them data mining. It also replaced Google Calendar, Google Contacts, and Google Photos along with their problems with pricing and data mining. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- death_hawk · 2023-10-30 05:30 Ran one for years, but it was like pulling teeth finding people with the client installed, especially when you need a pub. My core friend group had it obviously. Nowadays though it's tough to get people on it because Discord is basically the new de facto chat server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lakimens · 2023-10-30 05:31 Folder sync is free ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RandomPhaseNoise · 2023-10-30 05:31 Try pdfmod (has some quirks) or naps2... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lakimens · 2023-10-30 05:32 VaultWarden is essentially piracy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- onynixia · 2023-10-30 05:52 Plex is my most used service. Apps that support it such as Radarr and Sonarr are used often. Streaming services are getting too expensive these days and youtube is garbage without an ad blocker. I run PI-HOLE on two independent machines for the sake of not having internet if one goes down. Timespent browsing the web is reduced without dealing with pesky pop-up ads. I have some other stuff I have benefited from personally but not as an investment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DanieloAvicado · 2023-10-30 05:56 Which VPN do you use to access the wild and dangerous ocean? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- death_hawk · 2023-10-30 06:04 Fun fact. At around $0.11kWh, it costs you about a buck a watt a year running 24/7. Some of us with servers consuming hundreds of watts is definitely noticeable. Those with RasPis not so much. This gets far more painful in places with expensive power. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mckunekune · 2023-10-30 06:18 Add the mobile app Paperparrot to this and it’s my winning combo for most value. Paper mail gets photographed by the app, tagged and uploaded. So easy even the wife does it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LogicalExtension · 2023-10-30 06:26 I'm not sure why you're against running things in containers; but the good news is that they're pretty much self-documenting if you want to install it yourself. Assuming this is the right corresponding project: https://github.com/paperless-ngx/paperless-ngx/blob/dev/Dockerfile That's got all the commands you'd need to install it on a Debian Bookworm machine, with Node v20 installed. If you're running it on another Distro, you'll need to translate the correct set of package dependencies and configuration. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Girgoo · 2023-10-30 06:28 If you dont already have backup, then that is it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- omaha2002 · 2023-10-30 06:28 Invidious, searchngx, Kuma uptime.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gronis · 2023-10-30 06:29 You can just look at the dockerfile and it literally tells you what you need to do to install it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lxrowe · 2023-10-30 06:37 +1 to Audiobookshelf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- laterral · 2023-10-30 06:45 Re your local LLM, can you ask it about things on the internet or feed it specific documents/ folders to read? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- laterral · 2023-10-30 06:46 Tutorial? This sounds so interesting as a skill to learn! Well done!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- laterral · 2023-10-30 06:47 What VM/ CT do you have going? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EspritFort · 2023-10-30 06:49 > Haven't heard Mumble in a while. Just curious why you still use that and haven't moved to Discord? Well, I can't self-host Discord-servers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- audero · 2023-10-30 06:55 How so? Bitwarden is open source, after all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheZokerDE · 2023-10-30 06:59 What did you use to replace Google calendar? I'm struggling to find a good web view alternative for my etesync calendars... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Majestic_Error_5424 · 2023-10-30 07:06 In the Netherlands there are still organizations relying on snail mail. The other day I received a notification from my insurer by snail mail, explaining that I will receive my annual policy renewal documentation in a month, also by snail mail, hahaha. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sassy-frass · 2023-10-30 07:07 I have this with a selfhost vaultwarden instance. So this on the free version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JQuilty · 2023-10-30 07:15 I use Nextcloud mostly only as a server. For a client, on the desktop I use Thunderbird, and on Android I use Etar (I'm pretty sure it's made by the LineageOS team, and it's the default calendar for CalyxOS). The Google Calendar app can also be used as a client. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ixoniq · 2023-10-30 07:16 Vaultwarden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PM_ME_YOUR_FELINE · 2023-10-30 07:23 Discord is basically spyware with the tons of data collection they do on you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sevynz13 · 2023-10-30 07:24 Fair enough. It just seems like everyone uses Discord these days. I was surprised to see someone using Mumble. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jafergus · 2023-10-30 07:28 I'm curious. Does the DNS server in a reasonable quality home router not cache DNS requests? I would've thought that was standard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tirarex · 2023-10-30 07:28 ​ * Jellyfin + finamp = spotify 10$/m ( i'm listening old music) * Immich = google photo 4$/m * Minecraft vanilla server = realms 8$/m * Minecraft Modded server = 6vcpu 32gb 128gb ssd server for 90$/m * Nextcloud 1tb ssd = google drive 2tb 15$/m Main server is 1000$+, offdite backup server with ssd is about 110$. about 10$ for power. So free server after 1 year. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TLShandshake · 2023-10-30 07:37 >If you have vault warden, I would really recommend wireguard so that you can safely access your passwords away from home as well. VaultWarden doesn't support cloud sync? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- alex2003super · 2023-10-30 07:38 You get to use organizations ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Opti_Dev · 2023-10-30 07:43 From where comes the catalog of jellyfin ? Is it from your own CD that you copied into the movie base or is it more like sonar/radar and seek for your wishes on streaming platforms ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sjoerrdd · 2023-10-30 07:53 Home Assistant, Frigate and Jellyfin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- stappersg · 2023-10-30 07:55 _... Discord is basically the new de facto chat server_ for the losers how don't realize they are giving any their communication paths. It is good the be here among self hosters. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- my_mix_still_sucks · 2023-10-30 07:57 What is proxmox used for? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- andreicon11 · 2023-10-30 07:58 > Docker only kinda sucks I get that docker can seem a little opaque, but the pros of using it definitely outweigh the cons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- shadowimmage · 2023-10-30 08:10 They're randomly if you get them refurbished from Brother ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SadGrimReaper · 2023-10-30 08:12 Use portainer, it helps me a lot to manage containers via nice gui. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lucaprinaorg · 2023-10-30 08:25 Everything that you host in your house with spare parts and does not let you pay for a dedicated online VPS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thefanum · 2023-10-30 08:32 Not email lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- illdoitwhenimdead · 2023-10-30 08:32 If you're using proxmox as your hypervisor then PBS is way better than Veam. It offers full deduplication and incremental backups, and if you haven't shut a vm down since the last backup it can use the dirty bit maps on the vm to backup blazingly fast (my 10TB nas takes about 30seconds to back up if not much has changed). All backups can be encrypted and still deduplicated, setting up backup cycles, garbage collection, backup verification, and pruning is all really easy, and you can set up a sync to an off site instance of PBS with different prune settings which is encrypted in both transmission and storage). This takes from your on site PBS rather than receiving from it, which reduces the attack vector if someone gets into your network. All in all, it's probably the best thing in the proxmox ecosphere. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lidstah · 2023-10-30 08:39 It's an hypervisor (KVM based). It let you run LXC containers and KVM VMs (Virtual Machines), you can join multiple machines running it to form a "cluster" of hypervisors acting together (you can migrate VMs or LXC containers from one machine of the cluster to another, distribute your workloads between members of the cluster, and so on). It has a fairly good WebUI and a complete CLI toolset, is quite easy to setup and maintain, is open-source and uses Debian Stable under the hood. I use it both at home and at work since ~10 years, and the experience has been great so far. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- stappersg · 2023-10-30 08:53 Yeah, like my car. Most of the time I'm the sole user. It gets me where I want to be. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- stappersg · 2023-10-30 08:54 _Nextcloud_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- crysisnotaverted · 2023-10-30 08:56 I laser cut a stamp of a 3.5 inch floppy to let me know what's been digitized! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- benftrex · 2023-10-30 09:07 Immich and Bitwarden (unified beta). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- manyQuestionMarks · 2023-10-30 09:15 Amazing, I have an epson and would love this for the epson. I’ll search a bit… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RandomName01 · 2023-10-30 09:16 IMO they’re currently about as good, but they still serve slightly different purposes; Immich doesn’t fully support existing libraries because they don’t support nested albums, and PhotoPrism doesn’t have a native official app and therefore only supports sync through 3rd party apps. One thing that is relevant to mention is that Immich uses OpenStreetMap in a way that isn’t kosher, and while they’re receptive to changing that, it clearly isn’t a priority to them. It doesn’t reflect too positively on them that they’d essentially abuse another (far more important) FLOSS project like that, while PhotoPrism has made it a priority to avoid such issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- UNITY_NP · 2023-10-30 09:16 Selfhosting Navidrome and pirating songs/music out of Spotify:) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Haletudsen · 2023-10-30 09:17 Vaultwarden includes some premium features from Bitwarden. Bitwarden free =! Vaultwarden. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SomeWeirdUserTho · 2023-10-30 09:22 Great! I see that Epson supports Scan-To-PC as well. So it should be possible - there seems to be a epson scan server available for Linux as well (for compatible SANE Scanners). Good luck and keep us updated :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nicman24 · 2023-10-30 09:42 qbittorent there i said it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NathanDeck · 2023-10-30 09:47 I'm using proxmox container. I feel like using docker container inside an lxc container doesn't really make sense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cybasura · 2023-10-30 10:03 The simplest but the most useful: Samba file server Well, file servers in general, paired up with a VPN server and you have a literal multi-year use right there ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MachDiamonds · 2023-10-30 10:05 It's self-hosted, YOU are the cloud. Either you expose the vault web ui to the internet (!) or you VPN back into your network. Or cloudflare tunnels, if that's your thing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kurosaki1990 · 2023-10-30 10:09 Jellyfin and *arr will save you 100$ per month. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LOLCANADA · 2023-10-30 10:48 >brother ads-1700W Curious because I have the same scanner and was having the biggest pain trying to get direct-to-network folder setup before giving up; what kind of share are you using? I couldn't figure out if I was just doing something wrong on the scanner setup itself or on my TrueNAS share config. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- elk-x · 2023-10-30 10:55 Once your homeserver setup is docker based it's no going back. The convenience is unmatched. docker-compose and/or portainer is highly recommended. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- puppetjazz · 2023-10-30 11:07 Been using expressvpn but going to change to mullvad for my next excursion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JimFive · 2023-10-30 11:13 I have the Epson WF-4830 and it works great. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Meganitrospeed · 2023-10-30 11:13 Firefly III and/or Actual Budget ​ Stupid good ROI hehe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Adi_Islam · 2023-10-30 11:14 Respect++ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Adi_Islam · 2023-10-30 11:16 What are you using to backup from your devices ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mtojay · 2023-10-30 11:25 classic smb network share for me. here is how i have setup it up in the brother webinterface: https://imgur.com/a/ji5GpZS good luck ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mtojay · 2023-10-30 11:28 what a great idea. haha. i am gonna steal that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mtojay · 2023-10-30 11:29 i feel you. i think 300dpi is fine for almost everything. you think the quality isnt good enough on 300? i agree though, on 600dpi it is kinda painfully slow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Affectionate-Act-154 · 2023-10-30 11:30 I fell in love with the elegance of lxc containers 🥺 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GeforceEcke · 2023-10-30 11:41 To download more RAM lmao ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vinnipinni · 2023-10-30 11:47 Well it’s basically just some python and lots of reverse engineering, sniffing traffic of the app. Any „reverse api tutorial“ will do. You will need to do the reversing for the app you need yourself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DarkKnyt · 2023-10-30 11:58 My own collection or items I've borrowed from the library. Originally I was only doing stuff I owned but then I wanted a copy of stuff I bought on Amazon and Google. I still look for physical copies to buy but only large lot sales. I did yt-dlp a bunch of stuff but I consider that ok since I could access it freely anyways. I've got complicates, Germanesque Internet ethics. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r3tryfail · 2023-10-30 12:06 Right. the very next sentence: even running all the services listed in the comments here. Literally everything mentioned here wouldn't take hundreds of watts to run. Dude acting like you are the norm is missing the room. And thinking you need to run a rpi to achieve the alternative is missing something too. A great many of us work in the industry in some capacity, we understand what power needs are. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScoobyDoo27 · 2023-10-30 12:22 Exactly. I’m a manufacturing engineer so I have no programming/computer background. I find setting up self hosted servers a blast. I love troubleshooting and figuring out how to get something working. Then in the end I have a server to do something I wanted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GIRO17 · 2023-10-30 12:49 I use Docker inside an LXC \^\^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Affectionate-Act-154 · 2023-10-30 12:56 I thought about it. But it's such a faff to get it correct and working without any issues. I would love a config tbh to make it easier aha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GIRO17 · 2023-10-30 12:59 I use Proxmox for managing. The only thing I needed to do is make it a privileged container. Otherwise, the NFS connection to my NAS didn't work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yali0n · 2023-10-30 13:00 This one looks interesting… ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RIP_RIF_NEVER_FORGET · 2023-10-30 13:01 I should clarify, I simplified it a little too much in my haste to end my Dickens impression. PiHole dns will cache the lookup and make it faster to go to google.com. but with unbound/recursive dns, you can cache the first couple of 'hops' to get to the trusted authority servers directly without needing to stop by Google DNS or cloudflare. As for home routers, I'm not sure, Ive never looked into the high-end home routers. I know my Tplink AX2100 doesn't do anything for DNs beyond forward requests to a specified server. And dynamic DNS, but that's another matter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Affectionate-Act-154 · 2023-10-30 13:08 Also use proxmox, lxc containers with Debian 11 as my base, I've tried privileged but it still fails. What is your foundation os? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ThatWolfie · 2023-10-30 13:08 had the idea to make something like this, glad to find out this already exists, thanks :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GIRO17 · 2023-10-30 13:11 Strange, I also use Debian 11 (Kernel 6.2.16-12-pve). What does fail exactly mean? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Affectionate-Act-154 · 2023-10-30 13:16 Incredible, obscure errors that have no answer online or other rubbish it spits out. Maybe I'll try that exact version and go from there. I did get EmulatorJS up and running on a centos docker VM so I'm not completely incapable. Just not succeeded on a lxc container yet 😅 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GIRO17 · 2023-10-30 13:22 I must admit, I also have some troubles with my LXC... It has trouble with some PCI device, and it just fills up my logs till I run out of storage... The same happens on Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS (also a LXC). I currently delete my logs regularly and plan to upgrade to a newer, more power efficient host. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Starmina · 2023-10-30 13:24 Sunshine is just so good, I was flabbergasted when moving from Steam Link. I can finally literally play from everywhere and it just work. Way better quality than Steam Link (Lately they made an update, so maybe it’s better now?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HerefortheLAN · 2023-10-30 13:34 Better option is to set the NFS client on the ProxMox host and map the device (disk) to the unprivileged container ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-30 13:36 I never touched Steamlink again after i tried Sunshine+Moonlight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nadmaximus · 2023-10-30 13:37 sshd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GIRO17 · 2023-10-30 13:37 This sounds like a Project to do! So adding it under the `Datacenter > Storage` and then add it to the LXC under Resources? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HerefortheLAN · 2023-10-30 13:41 I did it all via command line. Just google-foo'd my way through it. Pretend the ProcMox host is like any other workstation. Install NFS client and configure to access network share. Then share the mount point to the container. I wish I was more helpful haha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zoenboen · 2023-10-30 13:43 Thanks dad. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- aswan89 · 2023-10-30 13:45 Doesn't putting your 2FA next to your passwords defeat the purpose of 2FA? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScuttlingLizard · 2023-10-30 14:05 Where does it store the files? Does it store the pdfs and stuff as blobs in the db or do the files just work in native folders? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SpencerXZX · 2023-10-30 14:06 Realistically, 300dpi is plenty for me, but the datahoarder in me likes to keep everything at the highest possible quality so I put up with the slow 600dpi transfers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Discommodian · 2023-10-30 14:28 The app I was aware of is called Photosync and it only uploads low quality unless you pay. I didn't know of any other app to use for PhotoPrism. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheJerdle · 2023-10-30 14:34 AirVPN supports port forwarding.. went to it from Mullvad and it’s working great ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sequentious · 2023-10-30 14:44 > Immich. IMO it's just a good as Google photos. I'm nearing 100 GBs on Google, mostly due to family, so I need a place that can continue scaling. I'm at 84 GBs and I'll leave the Google backup for my less tech savvy family. Holy shit, this is great. I've tried multiple times to migrate away from Google Photos, but while there has been plenty of decent gallery software, the weakest link is being able to search for "Red Car" with no idea of when or where I took said photo. Should save me a ton of money, since my wife and I are both paying for 100GB photo storage with google. That's basically CAD$60/year... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SquareBottle · 2023-10-30 14:51 No. If someone gets your bank/email/whatever password because a company's database gets hacked due to lax security practices, the Bad Guys still won't be able to access your stuff unless BitWarden itself is compromised. That said, if BitWarden itself being compromised is what worries you, then by all means use a separate app for 2FA! I just know that for me, my security worries are almost entirely focused on these three points of weakness: 1. Executives and managers who don't understand the dangers of tech debt ("Our product runs on a version of Java from 2003 and a version of MySQL from 2005, but it works, so upgrading isn't really a priority"). 2. Developers and IT departments who cut corners due to laziness or incompetence ("I'm storing the master password in plaintext in some config files here and there, but those aren't public-facing, so nobody should ever know"). 3. End users who will only use security practices that they subjectively find unobtrusive enough ("I don't use 2FA because it's annoying and slows me down"). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuzzdump · 2023-10-30 15:05 I started using a debrid service and I’m never going back to downloading at home. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chewableplate · 2023-10-30 15:18 Who needs organizations for home? If not for home their pricing is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to other IT licensing costs, and at an enterprise level you should never roll your own security anyway for liability purposes anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chewableplate · 2023-10-30 15:26 Some people need the convenience of password manager MFA integration to bother enabling MFA. It still solves the problem of having different passwords for every site, and password manager integrated MFA still protects you from password leaks on the website/service side. It does mean a vault compromise is a total compromise of your security however, and given how often people "Remember" their vault MFA sessions for convenience and install addons and apps on every last browser and computer they have that's not a risk I'm willing to take. Separate MFA every time. Still, it's a net-positive for people who wouldn't be bothered to use a password manager or MFA otherwise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tyroswork · 2023-10-30 15:33 1. Pi-hile 2. Torrent client (any) + related automation for scraping/moving media Nothing else comes close, these two are essential for any selfhosted enthusiast. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- violet-crayola · 2023-10-30 15:39 What do u think you are special? Give us a helpful tool none heard of or stfu. Downvote ---------------------------------------------------------------------- airgl0w · 2023-10-30 15:40 I would stay away from Doxie, personally. I got the one listed and it’s slow, not a fan of the build quality, and the scanning mechanism quality isn’t great. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrpink57 · 2023-10-30 15:41 I need organizations for home, this allows my wife and I to securely share passwords between each other along with secure notes. For my own threat model I see no reason not to put MFA inside of vaultwarden and keep the mfa code for vaultwarden in a separate service. Keep in mind I also pay for bitwardens service for two reason. 1. I support the project 2. My work does not allow DDNS urls, so my service is blocked within my organization so I always use my standard bitwarden that I pay for at work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chewableplate · 2023-10-30 15:44 ProtonVPN is the only one left that hits all marks for port forwarding, open source, audited, backed by a trusted company, WireGuard, client support, "VPN Accelerator" feature that tremendously helps speeds, etc. It's a super cheap bundle for it along with the entire Proton suite if you want to up your privacy game and would use things like Proton Mail, Proton Drive, Proton Pass (P/W Manager). Unfortunately they throttle VPN speeds below this tier. Mullvad is the only other really good option if you're really looking to keep costs to a minimum while keeping most of those features but they fully dropped port forwarding. Don't give your money and funnel all of your traffic through services claiming to be for "privacy" that use close sourced software, especially not the ones owned by marketing companies that are outright selling your data. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dangernoodle01 · 2023-10-30 15:53 I am running textgen-webui as a backend and sillytavern as a frontend. I use many different models for roleplay, generic knowledge and coding. I use GPTQ variants with an RTX 3060 and an RTX 3090. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- user01401 · 2023-10-30 15:54 Domoticz for home automation cloudflared for remote access apcupsd for UPS automation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chewableplate · 2023-10-30 15:58 Valid, at least the family plan is offset by two incomes then so it's about $20/year for each of you. I also pay the $10/year despite needing none of the features purely to support the project and for the legal protections of being an actual "customer" instead of a "user", but that's well beyond necessary. My main worry with MFA in bitwarden is just how many people keep devices "Remembered" for bitwarden and as such don't require MFA to access the vault. On top of how many devices and browsers people tend to install it on in the name of convenience all it takes is one of those devices to be compromised and have MFA "Remembered" to get into your vault and have all of your accounts. Even if they got into mine they'd have to code harvest every single different account in order to get into each of them which is a much more difficult task and would certainly tip me off relatively quickly. Everyone's got a threat model and mine's overkill so no judgement, but that's my reasoning lol. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mrpink57 · 2023-10-30 16:04 Look at the threat model from another way, if I can put MFA inside of vaultwarden/bitwarden how many of my users will now use the service? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chewableplate · 2023-10-30 16:08 Yup, I mentioned that a bit [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted /comments/17j89rs/what_selfhosted_service_have_the_best_return_of/k73k pu8/). Increasing adoption of MFA and password managers in general via convenience is a huge net-positive and worth a tiny additional risk requiring multiple other security failures. We're on the same page, I'm just being a stickler for a stricter threat model lol. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- c_rbon · 2023-10-30 16:10 Mullvad no longer has port forwarding, you may want to search around more before switching. I've heard good things about AirVPN, and personally my experience with Proton has been great. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Floedekartofler · 2023-10-30 16:18 Kind of. But sometimes you don't use 2FA by choice. I wouldn't use bitwarden to bypass the 2FA of my bank, but it's secure enough for my work email (just don't tell my boss). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 16:22 It's not convenient for multi-user environments though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Artifiscal-Ignorance · 2023-10-30 16:32 This skit from IT crowd always gets me. https://youtu.be/ALZZx1xmAzg?si=ISuVLjmYDQ5ayKvF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- puppetjazz · 2023-10-30 16:40 Thanks for the tip buddy I'll keep that in mind. It'll be a few weeks before my next pull ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JQuilty · 2023-10-30 16:48 Nextcloud can be both a server and a client in browser, but it is not the only client. It's an entirely valid question. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 16:49 When photoprism move to a freemium model, I moved to Immich. I still prefer Nextcloud Memories for longterm sharing, but the Immich backup is amazingly useful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lighthawk16 · 2023-10-30 16:54 Run it as a plain LXC then: https://tteck.github.io/Proxmox/ > Paperless-ngx LXC Paperless-ngx is a software tool designed for digitizing and organizing paper documents. It provides a web-based interface for scanning, uploading, and organizing paper documents, making it easier to manage, search, and access important information. Paperless-ngx uses the OCR (Optical Character Recognition) technology to extract text from scanned images and makes it searchable, thus increasing the efficiency of document management. To create a new Proxmox VE Paperless-ngx LXC, run the command below in the Proxmox VE Shell. To Update Paperless-ngx or Show Login Credentials, run the command below (or type update) in the LXC Console. > `bash -c "$(wget -qLO - https://github.com/tteck/Proxmox/raw/main/ct/paperless-ngx.sh)"` ⚡ Default Settings: 2GB RAM - 8GB Storage - 2vCPU ⚡ Paperless-ngx Interface: IP:8000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Discommodian · 2023-10-30 16:55 I just have Immich save to my FS SMB share and then I can have that integrate with my Owncloud or any other services. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 17:00 The setup with pihole and unbound, does the pihole point at the unbound install as it's upstream DNS server? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 17:03 Do you use the LLM for anything useful or is just a toy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 17:05 Discord has ridiculous identification and email limit rules. Discord bans people for reasons not related to their conduct, but rather based on how they connect to discord. IP bans block services shared by many people. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dangernoodle01 · 2023-10-30 17:06 I frequently have roleplay with it, give it prompts that chatGPT would refuse to complete (cybersecurity, malicious code, etc) It does hallucinate sometime, but considering the amount of knowledge that's available on my own, self-hosted server.. I'm still mind-blown. It's definitely a useful tool, if used properly. But granted I spent a LOT of time on making it usable for me. (Tweaking settings, custom preset evaluation, etc...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 17:06 Jellyfin is the big winner in my circle. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 17:07 Spotify has significant compression. Search harder me matey. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Chapter5294 · 2023-10-30 17:07 Frigate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SuperMiguel · 2023-10-30 17:08 Do u really like it more than blueiris? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RIP_RIF_NEVER_FORGET · 2023-10-30 17:13 Yes, you wind up pointing pihole to 127.0.0.1:5335 for upstream dns if I remember the port correctly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik282000 · 2023-10-30 17:20 I understand why it is useful and how it can make running and deploying massive projects easy but for a home user it's just taking away control. Docker has already shown that they are not trustworthy but so many people rely on Docker that there is no going back. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-10-30 17:29 [removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dangernoodle01 · 2023-10-30 17:33 I do. Just compare the github issues. Immich is done with the people open-source and data in mind, Photoprism is being developed by people who want to do it as job. Countless posts telling users they should contribute, either by money or by writing code for them. Not to mention they did paywall existing features on multiple occasions. On top of this, the main developer has a very questionable attitude, again, just look at some issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NSMike · 2023-10-30 17:34 This is extremely minor, but I love the result - whoogle. Really just makes Google less annoying, but it's so nice that the first link returned from a search is never an ad. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mw3777 · 2023-10-30 18:09 What city? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- volrod64 · 2023-10-30 18:23 " It made my whole week " " I don't remember " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-30 18:33 Of course i do remember who /u/No_Dragonfruit_5882 is around here. But i dont remember any Oracle idiot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- abareaper · 2023-10-30 18:44 As a “home user” it gives me more control by letting me provide only what’s needed, expose only what’s necessary, and easily be able to have all files for a service in an easy to discover location. For example, I don’t want to try out some service only to not use or like it, but still have that services files littering my system. Honest question, what control is it taking away? It’s definitely worthwhile to learn and be comfortable with containers. Whether you’re using Docker or one of the other alternatives, it’s great for any size project and maintainability, especially as your project list grows. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- spr3zi · 2023-10-30 18:46 My go-to euphemism is “tactical acquisition” ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Dragonfruit_5882 · 2023-10-30 19:05 Good save!!! But holy crap i am known by a person? World domination here i come ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-30 19:13 > World domination here i come Not so fast, its just me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- edthesmokebeard · 2023-10-30 19:29 I enjoy having my own SMTP server that I control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- progfrog · 2023-10-30 19:35 https://github.com/vikas5914/google-photos-backup I've used this to backup my Google Photos library in **original quality**. Please read excerpt from this project readme file: > Why? > Google recently closed Google Domain, which made me think about my photos. I have more than 10k photos on Google Photos, and I don't want to download them one by one. > **Currently, the Google Photos API does not allow downloading photos in their original quality**. Google Takeout is slow and manual, and it does not support incremental photo downloads. > So, I was looking for a solution to download all my photos in their original quality and incrementally. I found gphotos-cdp, but it has issues and has not been updated in 3 years. So, I decided to write my own. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No_Dragonfruit_5882 · 2023-10-30 19:37 Aight. Fine for me. Iam a Fan anyways ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-10-30 19:46 Holy crap i have a fan? World domination here i come ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kidsnd274 · 2023-10-30 19:55 Man I used to host one for my friends a couple years back. Now everyone has swapped to Discord because it's much more convenient with screen sharing and chat. My mumble server is probably still running though. I've not touched the config in years. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EspritFort · 2023-10-30 20:05 > What made you choose Mumble over Teamspeak? For me Teamspeak just kept crashing on my laptop at the time, so Mumble was the easier choice. Mumble is FOSS, Teamspeak isn't, which matters a great deal to me now. Beyond that the user experience hasn't been *that* different for me/us, at least back in the day when we still used Teamspeak2. Back then Mumble came around and just offered slightly better voice quality and latency while also having slightly lower bandwidth usage (which mattered, since some of us were still on dial-up) so that was the initial decider. I've looked into Matrix and Revolt since then but those just seem... so *involved* compared to, again, literally just one apt-get for the Mumble server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- maevian · 2023-10-30 20:05 Why still use 11? 12 is as stable ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mclaeys · 2023-10-30 20:48 I need to find a good guide for it and retry it. Last time I tried it I couldn't get it to work as I expected. Looked interesting though so it's still on the agenda. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- maevian · 2023-10-30 21:02 That synology isn’t a backblaze replacement, you should have off site back up for the most important files ---------------------------------------------------------------------- corsalove · 2023-10-30 21:14 Totally true. I’m trying to setup an offsite backup as we speak. (Tailscale setup with multiple synology devices in multiple locations) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik282000 · 2023-10-30 21:17 I actually use LXC for all the reasons you mention, there is no clutter on the host, each service is contained in one place and only the web server is exposed. What I feel is taken away by Docker is the ability to tinker. I can't just nano a config file and reload the page I'm looking at. Regardless, not providing a **supported** manual install method seems a little short sighted for any project. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- elk-x · 2023-10-30 21:33 On a linux server? What's the issue? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik282000 · 2023-10-30 21:36 I actually love containers, I use LXC on my home sever because it completely eliminated the issue of mismatched dependancies between services. Now I can have new container to support any distro/dependancy that a service might require. I will take a look at the dockerfile, I didn't realized it could be be translated directly to installation instructions. I had tried a number of times to install manually using the "at your own risk/dev only" instructions and ran into python dependancy issues every time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik282000 · 2023-10-30 21:40 > it's no going back That's exactly what I don't like. Docker has already shown they want to monetize their platform more, I would rather stick with LXC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik282000 · 2023-10-30 21:44 Only as of June. How often to you upgrade your host os? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LogicalExtension · 2023-10-30 21:44 Yeah, that's fair enough. I ran Proxmox for a while, but ended up just running a Fedora VM to run containers in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- maevian · 2023-10-30 21:46 Not that often, but new deployments are always with the latest stable Debian. But most of my older services are still on 11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MeYaj1111 · 2023-10-30 21:51 yeah i realize from some other replies that maybe other parts of the world use paper more than we do in Canada. In my entire adult life I've been able to easily organize my paperwork in to a gmail label and its fully searchable if for whatever reason I can't find anything but I literally have under 20 emails in there from 25 years of having insurance and bank accounts and multiple car and home purchases... I just don't find myself needing to reference documents very often I guess.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik282000 · 2023-10-30 22:00 Same here, my host is on 11 but most of my containers are 12. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ObeBrent · 2023-10-30 22:22 What vibration sensors are you using? This sounds super useful to set up for my forgetful self. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sammymammy2 · 2023-10-30 22:31 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFtk This is a good CLI solution for that on Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sammymammy2 · 2023-10-30 22:31 Does the automatic background backup work for you? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- donair2099 · 2023-10-30 22:51 Absolutely a great point. In my case I needed to meet the needs of my significant other who in all fairness just needed something easy to use at a time when frustration was mounting. She doesn't want to have to maintain or learn some other client application, I got a chance to try out a new docker container. It was a win for everyone involved. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TLShandshake · 2023-10-30 22:57 Your answer kind of misunderstands my question. Cloud sync is just when the vault syncs with the various clients *on their own*. It has nothing to do with "who" is the host of the vault, I'm aware it's me in this instance. I'm not sure your response clarifies if it can do that or not. I think maybe the first suggestion might imply it, but I'd need to know more. My expectation is that I setup the vault, open some ports on my edge device, and then point my remote clients to my edge device. From there, the client and vault sort themselves. If I need to do anything more than that, then I'd say it does not support cloud sync. Supporting cloud sync also means it keeps tabs on version control to know what the correct data is. I should be able to use my browser extension and desktop app at the same time to make changes and have all the changes correctly processed and pushed to all the clients. If it's just me updating a file, then I'm limited to making changes on one client at a time and waiting for the files to sync. That's a radically different interaction type. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- altran1502 · 2023-10-30 23:10 > it clearly isn’t a priority to them Hello, this is false. We are actively working on it. You can track it in the PR here https://github.com/immich-app/immich/pull/4294 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- royaldunlin · 2023-10-30 23:39 Why not just buy a domain name? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dj_raidar_vip · 2023-10-30 23:59 I'd honestly say other than Home Assistant, Paperless-ngx, Vaultwarden, etc. Easily [HomeBox](https://github.com/hay-kot/homebox) As a guy who works in insurance, and a Computer Science Professor at a private university, I have a lot of tech that I need to keep a tally of so that, God forbid a house fire were to happen, I'd have a backup of my important tech gear (voice assistants, servers, hardware, etc.) And be able to make labels with readily available Avery labels, a regular printer, and QR codes. It's so simple yet so flexible that I can make sure my insurance for personal property accurately covers ALL of my stuff. VERY handy from a tech and insurance perspective. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CryptoFarmer1776 · 2023-10-31 00:36 Gosh, where to begin lol I get major value from self hosting email, voice (asterisk), shared storage, my hosted note taking app, video bridge, our home security system, and home assistant mostly. Basically, all messaging services and productivity in my private cloud give me most return. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7repid · 2023-10-31 00:37 What do you find are the big differences between the two? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- seniledude · 2023-10-31 00:37 What email are you hosting? Is it local only? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- McGregorMX · 2023-10-31 00:54 I tried it, It's the closest to Google photos, and that helps with the wife approval. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bO8x · 2023-10-31 03:09 newsgroups and the whole couch-sanz-jellyphin stack is the only self- hosted solution I ended up wanting to maintain. Streaming media services seem to have decided to that it's best for the customer to 'nickle and dime' their various micro services. Charging extra for supposed "features" but when all added together still ends up costing \~100 per month. All they've done different from traditional cable services is rearrange their brands so that it looks like they are offering something new and therefore valuable. But nope, same amount of garbage as it was when satellite tv first starting become popular. So yeah, saving myself about \~900 a year (newsgroup access is 100/yr and setup and maintenance is simply a weekend project) makes the slight tedium of upkeep and maintenance worth it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional-Nerve-421 · 2023-10-31 03:58 hahaha thumbs up to this one 😂 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- XChikuX · 2023-10-31 04:42 I'd love to hear about all the security considerations you had for this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- progfrog · 2023-10-31 04:55 Thats mine configuration! :) PiHole acts as DHCP server also, and running Tailscale for VPN, pi3 being subrouter and exit node too. I love it. I would recommend disabling DNS on router firewall for all machines in network except for pi3. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jeremytodd1 · 2023-10-31 04:56 How do you handle naming and tagging all the scanned documents? Can you tell me what the process looks like? You get mail, you put it through the scanner, and then what? I would love to set something like this up but I feel like I'm over thinking it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- progfrog · 2023-10-31 05:18 > Self-hosting knowledge, like PC building and Linux, are worth it first and foremost for enabling you to take control of your digital life. I second this. I'm almost degoogled. Down to few apps and services from whole google ecosystem experience. It is insane how much people take "free" services for granted, prefering convinience more than their privacy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MachDiamonds · 2023-10-31 05:20 Yes, it automatically syncs just like the Bitwarden implementation, but you'd have to set it up with an API key from Bitwarden because it uses Birwarden's push notification infrastructure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RandomName01 · 2023-10-31 06:43 This was brought to your attention more than two months ago. If this had been a legitimate priority it would’ve been fixed by now. Don’t get me wrong, I very much appreciate that it’s being worked on and I said from the start you’re receptive about changing it, but do you see we’re I’m coming from? “Only” using their servers for a few more months isn’t great either, even though it’s very good it’ll be fixed after. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- noriakisana_ · 2023-10-31 09:44 Nextcloud. Automatic Mobile photo uploads and calendar (with apps), where you are more independent from other companies. Your data are also private. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LOLCANADA · 2023-10-31 10:35 Thank you so much! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- beachandbyte · 2023-10-31 16:07 Lol if you think 2 months is a slow turn around on an open source free project you are crazy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- beachandbyte · 2023-10-31 16:11 I use mine with active pipes to generate a few hundred unique stable diffusion prompts each morning to flow into comfyui. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RandomName01 · 2023-10-31 16:27 They’ve used OSM for more than a year in a way that they weren’t supposed to, and after it was pointed out to them multiple other features were implemented before this one. I know two months isn’t that much (it’s not implemented yet though), but it does show other features have more priority. That doesn’t sit well with me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Footz355 · 2023-10-31 17:44 Anything big really, and in multiple parts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jrasm91 · 2023-10-31 18:42 >OpenStreetMap That, and we made it possible to use a custom tile server url a month or so ago, which was a related change, which showed we had started working on the problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bSanderman · 2023-10-31 20:01 I tried the backups just to make sure it works but I don’t use it. So idk if it works in the background. I still use PhotoSync. It deletes after transfer and I didn’t do the research on WATCH_LOCATION for Immich. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- elk-x · 2023-10-31 22:38 Well same thing, Docker is just synonymous with containerization in general. You can use LDX or Podman. Anything but installing directly on your server just to end up in some dependency incompatibility hell and security chaos. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kingb0b · 2023-11-01 04:31 This guy does math ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ECANErkDog · 2023-11-01 12:11 PBS is very bare bones, and requires a lot of manual CLI setup and config, and it can only receive ZFS Snapshots or bare files. At that point, ProxMox already has replication functions built in and then there's rclone to send it anywhere you want not just the PBS setup. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lakimens · 2023-11-01 14:15 VaultWarden bypasses the requirement to pay. It's not piracy, but it feels like it, and for $10 per year? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ScuttlingLizard · 2023-11-01 15:45 How do you have sunshine setup? Is that something you installed natively or is it something you have hosted in docker? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- manyQuestionMarks · 2023-11-01 16:33 Oh wait this software works on your epson? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thekrautboy · 2023-11-01 16:55 It runs natively on a Windows gaming computer, thats the whole point of it. And in my case i stream it to Moonlight on a Shield that is connected to a TV, gamepad with bluetooth to the Shield, done. Wired connection of course. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- UnkwnNam3 · 2023-11-01 17:15 I'm using Symfonium instead of Finamp. Love the symfonium client, lots of features and stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tirarex · 2023-11-01 17:23 >symfonium I like it but i can't pay for it, so i finamp4life ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JimFive · 2023-11-01 18:21 The Epson scans to the paperless consume folder, yes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JimFive · 2023-11-01 18:28 Scanning the document tags it as "Inbox" and any other tags that you have defined/it has learned for the document. You go to the interface and open the inbox, correct any tagging or naming issues and remove the inbox tag. After a while it gets pretty good at identifying the correspondent and the tags, but it doesn't seem to learn which date to use on statements with multiple dates. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CryptoFarmer1776 · 2023-11-02 00:36 Zimbra. No I host about 14 mailboxes that are behind a public NAT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FishSpoof · 2023-11-03 12:36 It looks maintained to me. The repo has recent commits as old as 2 days https://github.com/paperless-ngx/paperless-ngx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- meonkeys · 2023-11-03 23:11 Compare that with renting cloud compute with 1tb block storage... you'll break even a lot sooner than 1 year. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- valiantiam · 2023-11-10 19:50 I feel like I tried it recently and it was just.....questionable quality? IDK. I have a great PC and a great network infrastructure at home and it was just a bad experience... I wish it worked for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Starmina · 2023-11-11 00:04 Very weird, because it’s really so good. Try to tinker things ? Try to enable the statistic overlay, ensure it’s hevc/h265. Play with bitrate too. I personally can go up to 150MBPS(maximum possible when you enable the unsafe thing) and 120FPS and it’s still flawless. Does steam works better for you ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- brennydenny · 2023-11-11 03:54 Which ship though? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Massive-Benefit · 2023-11-12 19:57 That is going to be the Citibike network of New York City most likely, based on the description. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Billy_Whisky · 2023-11-13 02:11 where do you buy all of your music? Because if u dont, airsonic isn’t saving u money - it’s piracy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- drinksbeerdaily · 2023-11-16 09:35 Both whoogle and searxng is pretty and when searching for stuff in Norwegian. I am paying for Kagi right now, and it's very very good. Bad roi though.