2.5 Gbps worth it? 7200 rpm drives worth it? reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gomeology · 2023-10-17 10:57 Hey peeps so ive been debating if its worth upgrade my switch to 2.5 gig connections. The only devices that would use this potential would be my pfsense, proxmox vms running all my docker services, and my nas (5400 rpm drives). I do use nfs quiet a bit but I only have 1 gig up and down from my isp. If i were to upgrade the switch I would prob upgrade my unifi AP to the enterprise edition to support that as well. I'm still digging in to if any devices are actually saturating the 1 gig links but I also like to future proof stuff. so the price tag would be around 1400 bucks. 2 2.5 gig AP's (u6 ent) and a 2.5 switch (ent 24 poe). Also, if anyone has any insight into 7200 drives for my nas I've been hesitant due to posts saying vibration/heat gets worse but the 5400 drives dont support anything over 10ish Tb's and im trying to get up to 20 Tb a drives. or maybe all SSD? Any insight or suggestions are appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nik_h_75 · 2023-10-17 11:11 You've given all the (throughput) numbers - but not what you need it for. Like streaming? Web hosting??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gomeology · 2023-10-17 11:13 media streaming and gaming would be the biggest ones. web hosting for internal services. but vpn is used when not on the network ---------------------------------------------------------------------- emperorralphatine · 2023-10-17 11:25 SSDs for Plex/Jellyfin are overkill, I've heard. it's just my experience, so take my story for what it's worth, but I've been running 7200 WD Red Pro drives (5 x 16tb) on my plex machine for a while now and haven't noticed a difference over my old 5400s....I never had issues with those, I just had money burning a hole in my pocket so I upgraded. foolish? maybe. My use case is mostly streaming locally, no more than 2 users at a time, never more than 1 4k stream (only have 1 4k TV), so your use case may be different where you'd see a difference. I do not put a high load on them ever. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SwankyPumps · 2023-10-17 11:34 You want your plex / jellyfin library / database on ssd. In plex it makes browsing and searching media snappy. The media itself can live on spinning rust. No practical advantage to having the media on ssd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SwankyPumps · 2023-10-17 11:36 For this use case I doubt you would see a difference. If you’re mounting nfs shares from your nas to run VM’s from in proxmox then extra bandwidth for the storage layer may make a measurable difference. Depends on your specific use case though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gomeology · 2023-10-17 11:46 I agree but I have a ds920 4 slots so i need to pick and choose my battles. nas is in btrfs with 2 - 4 TB 5400 1 - 12 TB 5400 and 1 500gig ssd cache. 7 Tbs of usuable storage and 5 gigs used. My media wont fit on ssds now that i think about it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lev400 · 2023-10-17 11:48 Correct. I run my TrueNAS server with an SSD for the OS and a 7200rpm drive for all Plex media. TV is on Wi-Fi so definitely not 1G connection let alone 2.5G! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- emperorralphatine · 2023-10-17 11:50 agreed. I always forget I did this! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SwankyPumps · 2023-10-17 11:55 Load your NAS with big slow disks, and run local SSD storage in your proxmox server. Then have a backup job of those local SSD VM’s to your NAS if you need to restore etc. If you have multiple proxmox nodes then centralised ‘fast’ storage may make sense, if you’re running a single node, local storage may make sense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NikStalwart · 2023-10-17 12:16 If you want to go build a high-capacity all-SSD NAS, you need to decide how many kidneys you can part with. The folks at /r/datahoarder will be the best to talk to about storage solutions. I *prefer* 7200 drives for use in my daily driver box, and I don't really care (but have them) in the NAS. 2.5GBe is overkill  —  don't forget you also need the cables that can support the throughput. But, even when you get the cables sorted, drive speed will be a bottleneck anyway. I would not spend money on 2.5Gbe gear if your WAN is limited to 1gbps. There just aren't many reasons in a small network context where having that kind of network speed will give you a tangible benefit. In those circumstances where it would make a benefit, you would already know and would not be asking this question. When it comes to gaming, the speed of data transfer on your internal network will mean diddly-squat. Firstly, I am not aware of *any* games that will saturate a 2.5g link. That's because most online games are designed to be playable on ADSL+. There just isn't that much data transfer. And if you are doing LAN party only type stuff, then you will likely want a switch with more ports than with more bandwidth per port. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eattherichnow · 2023-10-17 12:28 Unless you’re doing, like, editing on a NAS, the main reason for 2.5 would be concurrency - maybe you’re watching a video, downloading something from steam, copying shit from the NAS, maybe there’s three of you and we’re talking the link to the switch. Careful with future-proofing. Gear isn’t eternal, not even ssd, nor can you predict how your needs will change perfectly. I do have SSDs in my server-that-acts-as-a-NAS, but that’s the reason: it’s primarily my “pet” home server, I do “local stuff” via ssh on it. If I ever attach external mass storage to it, you can bet it’s gonna be spinning platters, valuing reliability over performance by a wide margin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EndlessHiway · 2023-10-17 12:29 Yes and Yes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CaptainDcc · 2023-10-17 12:56 Would the power usage be worth it going to SSDs instead of HDDs? Let's say 1 KwH is 0.30 eurocent. I bet it wouldn't as the extra cost for SSDs would take many years to 'earn' back the initial cost but if a much better user experience is also achieved with the SSDs then it isn't just a power usage difference but also user experience. I'm really not sure about this ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DayshareLP · 2023-10-17 13:01 I did 10Gig a few months ago and I live it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 12_nick_12 · 2023-10-17 13:17 I second this. You only need an SSD for the databases. The only time disk speed really matters is in rebuilding/resilvering. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-10-17 14:11 Ssd cache does nothing. Use a script to convert it to a volume, then move your Plex shared folder and docker shared folder too the ssd. See your life getting brighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-10-17 14:13 2.5g works on cat5e for reasonable distance. I’d be surprised if anybody today would have something slower. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-10-17 14:18 If you don’t feel slowed down, I wouldn’t change a thing honestly. At most consider cabling your media devices instead of streaming over Wi- Fi. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dazchad · 2023-10-17 14:19 What type of gaming? From your computer? Online multiplayer? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- a_sugarcane · 2023-10-17 14:20 This is just a data point you might be interested in. I use 7200 RPM with PI 4 USB 3.0. I can stream 4K movies without a hiccup. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fab_space · 2023-10-17 15:19 My heaven selfhosted world is made by fanless eco stuff 200W for a proxmox cluster 48gb ram. go cheap, go fanless, go smaller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kmisterk · 2023-10-17 16:05 ## Post Removed Hey, Gomeology! Thanks for your submission on selfhosted. 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