Why use a selfhosted Email List manager/newsletter which uses API of Mailgun, Postmark, Mailjet, Mailchimp...? reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural_Procedure2 · 2023-10-06 13:57 ...rather than use any of these directly? Let's take ListMonk, for instance. In order to use it, one would either have to have his own SMTP server or use API of Mailgun, Postmark, Mailjet, Mailchimp.... Why use a selfhosted ListMonk? Why not use any of these directly? Don't they also support email list management, campaigns, tracking, bounces... and all other features? And one would have to pay to them **anyway**, whether it be for direct usage or API. And one can get banned by them. Do the likes of ListMonk offer killer features? --- Perhaps, this applies to MailTrain too. https://github.com/Mailtrain- org/mailtrain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- daYMAN007 · 2023-10-06 15:05 Do you want to be releient on a company? Mailchimp can increase there prices 5 x overnight. And surely you will not migrate all your templates and stuff over to a new service. As always there is also privacy concerns when using cloud services. And of course pricing. So the question is more does Mailchimp and co have a killer feature, or why the hell would you use it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lilolalu · 2023-10-06 16:00 Do you want a mailinglist or a newsletter management? That's not the same. Bidirectional Mailinglists - as provided by majordomo, postman, etc pp. (in the classical sense) are pretty complex things. As for the newsletter management, at least in Europe, s major complexity is complying to gdpr regulations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural_Procedure2 · 2023-10-06 18:33 > (1) Mailchimp can increase there prices 5 x overnight. > > (2) As always there is also privacy concerns when using cloud services. > > (3) And of course pricing. Reread my question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural_Procedure2 · 2023-10-06 18:34 How does that answer my question? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lilolalu · 2023-10-06 18:42 Answer to your question: a lot of people want to pass on the responsibility to comply to gdpr laws by using a paid external service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vogete · 2023-10-06 21:12 Well, maybe you want to manage your own email list manager and make sure you can use your data cross platform, but at the same time you want to make sure you're using a professional smtp service. If they screw you over, you can just migrate to a different platform with ease. Also maybe you don't like their tools, and your self hosted one offers features the they don't. At least this is what I can come up with real quick ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural_Procedure2 · 2023-10-07 00:06 Doesn't one already "pass on the responsibility to comply to gdpr laws " by using Mailgun, Postmark, Mailjet, Mailchimp **directly**, via their web interface? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PaulEngineer-89 · 2023-10-07 02:51 If you already have a mailing list for receiving or whatever, you’d have to upload it. Easier to just manage on your server. Plus take my situation. I’m behind CGNAT so my email can no longer get to me from my store-and-forward/sending relay server on any standard email port and it doesn’t support nonstandard ones. I can still transfer email for free via an email worker on Cloudflare (basically store and forward but I can route via a tunnel) but to send out email which CF doesn’t handle I still need the services of a mail forwarder. Mail gun has this for free if I keep the sent mail down (family server so this works). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lilolalu · 2023-10-07 07:24 I think depending on the local privacy laws, storing customer data on "foreign company" servers can also be problematic. Not necessary gdpr related but during covid, when people massively started using Zoom & Co, for certain institutions it was not legal to use zoom because you could not select the server region where the data processing would happen. But that would be a legal reason to NOT use hosted Newsletter providers.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- adamshand · 2023-10-07 08:06 I think you're conflating two different services. Newsletter services (eg. Mailchimp and ListMonk) and SMTP delivery service. Commercial newsletter tools are expensive (especially for large lists). SMTP delivery is cheap. So one reason someone might want to use ListMonk is because you only need to pay for SMTP delivery. The other reasons are the reasons you would selfhost anything instead of using a commercial alternative. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural_Procedure2 · 2023-10-07 18:41 > If you already have a mailing list for receiving or whatever, you’d have to upload it. Easier to just manage on your server. Why would I "have to"? Is there a law that obliges me to do it? On whose server? Upload -- where to? Why, if I "already have it"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural_Procedure2 · 2023-10-07 18:47 >Commercial newsletter tools are expensive (especially for large lists). SMTP delivery is cheap. Aren't Mailgun, Postmark, Mailjet, Mailchimp .... also newsletter tools? In other words, whilst ListMonk is a newsletter tool **only**, the others are both newsletter tools and SMTP servers. > The other reasons are the reasons you would selfhost anything instead of using a commercial alternative. This is circular reasoning. "I want too selfhost tool because I want to a self host tool" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural_Procedure2 · 2023-10-07 18:52 Where was this madness happening? Who can prohibit me from using zoom, or even from running an alternative to one, which wouldn't support choosing a server to host user's data at? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- adamshand · 2023-10-08 05:03 > Therefore, how would it be cheaper to use ListMonk? Because ListMonk only requires an SMTP service, which is much cheaper than a newsletter service. https://aws.amazon.com/ses/pricing/ > This is circular reasoning. "I want a selfhosted tool because I want to host a self-hosted tool" People selfhost services for many different reasons: privacy, control, paranoia, fun, customisation, independence etc. Those are all possible reasons that somebody might selfhost a newsletter service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- antananarive33 · 2023-10-09 18:44 > Because ListMonk only requires an SMTP service, which is much cheaper than a newsletter service. Only in the case of SES, and only after you've been able to get yourself verified by SES which hasn't been easy laterly. But I also asked about using ListMonk via API of Mailchimp, Mailgun and others. It won't be cheaper than using these services directly, will it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- antananarive33 · 2023-10-09 18:47 > People selfhost services for many different reasons: privacy, control, paranoia, fun, customisation, independence etc. Those are all possible reasons that somebody might selfhost a newsletter service. I'm not asking about self-hosting per se, but about using ListMonk **via** the API of Mailchimp or others. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- adamshand · 2023-10-09 18:57 If you are already paying for Mailchimp (or similar) why would you want to use ListMonk which mostly does the same thing? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- antananarive33 · 2023-10-10 00:19 That what I ask about, **given that** that ListMonk supports MailChimp as a service as a sender. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-11-15 11:01 [removed]