Wow. This is pretty petty. Any self hosted solutions for this? reddit / selfhosted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rov3rrepo · 2023-10-04 14:40 A temp solution would be downgrading the app. This could be done with an older version of iTunes and Charles proxy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ericesev · 2023-10-04 14:48 I assume the camera function is still good. If that's the case a motion detector tied to any smart home solution that can send notifications will work. I'm a fan of Home Assistant. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-10-04 14:49 Welcome the future! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rursache · 2023-10-04 14:53 any rtsp camera with a two way microphone with scrypted can achieve the same thing. fully self-hosted and LAN only. the tp-link tapo c110 is dirt cheap and can achieve this ---------------------------------------------------------------------- amcco1 · 2023-10-04 14:56 Considering its still available for free locally, could use a vpn to view it. Or could find out what port it broadcasts on and what IP and could use reverse proxy or port forward(not recommended). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eXtc_be · 2023-10-04 15:02 /r/assholedesign ---------------------------------------------------------------------- G1zm0e · 2023-10-04 15:08 I use Unifi cameras and the Unifi protect setup for internal cameras, but I also have DWSpectrum that picks up RTSP streams. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Woke_killa · 2023-10-04 15:24 Subscriptions = cancer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- l0rd_raiden · 2023-10-04 15:27 Frigate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gold_rush_doom · 2023-10-04 15:32 That's not how it works. Push notifications are a backend feature. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DistantRefaktor · 2023-10-04 15:33 And yet people sign up for them hand over fist. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rov3rrepo · 2023-10-04 15:34 It will probably keep working for a while until OP comes up with an alternative ---------------------------------------------------------------------- popnfrresh · 2023-10-04 15:35 There are plenty of self hosted camera options, but I dont think this person is looking for the camera. Probably looking for the other monitoring options formerly included. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- typkrft · 2023-10-04 15:46 Scrypted does motion detection. I use it and unifi protect to monitor our properties. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- techma2019 · 2023-10-04 15:46 I got two-way audio and video monitoring via Frigate feeding into Home Assistant with HACS Frigate integration. WebRTC, low latency. With a reverse proxy (nginxproxymanager) so you can watch remotely. Works wonderfully. Amcrest IP4M-1041 cameras specifically if anyone cares. Expect to see these things happening more and more. Companies don't want to foot the bill for the server/bandwidth costs. So either they front load it into the equipment cost, or sell you cheap equipment and bait-and-switch you into a subscription down the road. Or the worst would be if you paid top dollar and they still pushed a subscription on you after (OP example). Yikes! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- typkrft · 2023-10-04 15:51 I don't think people exactly want to do that, but 99% of people don't selfhost or have the ability to sit and write software to solve a problem just to save $10/month. And they know moving to another system will cost them 200-500 dollars too. The child will be 5 or 6 before it pays itself off. People are left little choice. However, I am pretty sure there is some consumer protection laws that say you can't sell someone a feature and then take it away. Companies won't adhere to it unless they are sued, but thats what happened to sony when they took the ability to run linux from the PS3. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- stop_lying_good_god · 2023-10-04 15:51 Pretty soon, this is going to turn into a major issue. Richard Stallman may be a guy who eats crud off his toes, but, he's right about this anti-consumer behavior. There needs to be open standards to allow us to access these devices. Ironically, the big tech companies have a better chance at fighting tech lockdowns -- HomeKit has some rules to play by, for example. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HulkAdmin · 2023-10-04 15:54 After the absolute nightmare stories of people gaining access into baby monitors/cameras coupled with forced subscriptions we switched to Ubiquiti products and are absolutely loving them for our home. I can say I am completely a Ubiquiti fan boy now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- F1DNA · 2023-10-04 16:03 I specifically bought a baby monitor 2 years ago with encrypted radio signal from camera to handheld. no wifi, no internet capability, etc. Why anyone wants cameras hooked up to someone else's network inside their home is unfathomable to me. I thought about using a security cam but really you need a purpose built handheld. I could have integrated it with home assistant, wrote automations, etc but i didn't. Why? Because the handheld unit doesn't require unlocking a phone, opening an app, waiting for it to load, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- markhaines · 2023-10-04 16:04 Out of curiosity what does DW Spectrum give you over Protect? (I hadn’t heard of it till I googled it) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- codecarter · 2023-10-04 16:10 Can't this be done with motioneye? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jarlaxle46 · 2023-10-04 16:35 Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HansDevX · 2023-10-04 16:55 This subscription based garbage is why people selfhost their onlwm shit. I can understand if their are charging for cloud storage but for a notification really!? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CobblerYm · 2023-10-04 17:37 > any rtsp camera with a two way microphone with scrypted can achieve the same thing. Huh I haven't heard of Scrypted. I use HA only which picks up Blue Iris fine, but it'd be way nicer to have better Google Home integration. Does this allow me to answer my doorbell through google while away from home? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3ilham0dgd · 2023-10-04 17:47 Yes, it is better to stay away from gadgets that are cloud-dependent because there is always a chance that they could purposefully remove data or perhaps simply cease operations, rendering the device utterly useless. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- yiliu · 2023-10-04 17:51 Dunno why you're getting downvoted. The problem is that they _work really well_, from a company's perspective. They exploit human psychology: people focus on the immediate cost, and don't think enough about cumulative costs. Or, in the moment it seems hard to believe they'll forget about them and keep paying, because it's front and center in their thoughts right _now_...and then two years later they realize "holy shit, am I still paying this fricking baby monitor subscription!?" So I think you're both right. They work entirely too well and companies love them, but people _should_ have a sense of revulsion when signing up for a subscription. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zeta_cartel_CFO · 2023-10-04 18:01 Ubiquiti is nice. (I have 4 of their APs). But there are other options for half the cost of a single Unifi cam. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PVTD · 2023-10-04 18:23 True, but not all houses are made out of wood... I lived in a old house in Italy with walls thick around 50cm (±20") and a good old radio signal will not make it far. In Europe most houses are build out of brick and 2 walls will cut out the signal with ease. Having WiFi covering the house, it's just the only affordable solution... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- F1DNA · 2023-10-04 18:25 Sure, I'd make sure then that it worked locally and then block it from the interwebs on the router/firewall side. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PVTD · 2023-10-04 18:27 That would be the best way, its just that there isn't a consumer friendly version with privacy in mind. We need a startup :P ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nefarious_behavior · 2023-10-04 18:39 I know it was mentioned earlier, but just grab any old cheap IP camera like Foscam wifi and any number of inexpensive apps designed for this purpose. Back when we had our first child, I bought an inexpensive foscam and an inexpensive ipad app, and boom I had a baby monitor that was FAR superior than anything you can buy off the shelf. The app would monitor all night and even wake you up if the baby starts making noise above your threshold, all at a much higher quality than the off the shelf junk. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinyd · 2023-10-04 18:44 We are using the tapo c110 as baby camera and it's great. Using it local only with no subscription or any bullshit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jmeador42 · 2023-10-04 18:46 https://restic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- apixoip · 2023-10-04 19:22 Put it on ZeroTier, then it's always local and all the features are free, and stay free. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ExcitingTabletop · 2023-10-04 19:24 Because they want the functionality enough to put up with the subscription. Majority of people don't have the tech background to do self-hosting, but they still want their baby monitor on their cell phone. If they could do the same thing without a subscription, they absolutely would in a heartbeat. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cspotme2 · 2023-10-04 19:42 What are we doing with this Webcam? My blueiris setup with audio from the camera works fine to let me know when my kid is crying... I also leave my phone next to my bed overnight with the videofeed playing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -SetsunaFSeiei- · 2023-10-04 19:57 Which app was it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tyroswork · 2023-10-04 20:06 Can anyone recommend a no wi-fi, no-app, no-cloud, no-bullshit baby monitor? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- billiarddaddy · 2023-10-04 20:20 Any two-way PTZ camera and a Pi with pressure sensors would replace this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nefarious_behavior · 2023-10-04 20:25 I used https://apps.apple.com/us/app/baby-monitor-for-ip- camera/id511651356 for nearly 8 years (multiple kids), on old ipad on my nightstand. There are many more options now than there was before, including good android options. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Usairforce9055 · 2023-10-04 20:45 While a lot of people have mentioned great options such as frigate, and scripted, It appears from the phone the op lost access to features that I'm not sure any local foss solution has to my knowledge. For just viewing the camera and recording those are great options, but they don't track sleep or breathing. Corporations just don't realize the more they push subscriptions, the more people are just gonna stop paying anything. Look at the movie industry. Pirating is at an all time high now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- xantheybelmont · 2023-10-04 21:11 The best I've found so far is Motioneye and an old Samsung A12 phone. It works really well to keep an eye on my toddler while I'm in my office. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- G1zm0e · 2023-10-04 21:18 access to a shit load more cameras then unifi produces. I have 5 180 wide angle cameras for a fraction of the price of a g5 that each do 4k. I have other cameras that are 4k that do better FOV then g4s. I was locked into the ecosystem a long time ago, but now Interior and doorbell are unifi, outside are hikvision ---------------------------------------------------------------------- markhaines · 2023-10-04 21:25 Ah I see - so you don’t use Protect at all, just some of the unifi cameras. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- raunchieska · 2023-10-04 21:45 the camera I used got hacked and people were using it to look around and talk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Devar0 · 2023-10-04 23:29 Oh cool, same thing Canary did years ago! How are they going now? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lvlint67 · 2023-10-04 23:52 are you willing to spend more money on new hardware and more time gluing everything together? Those will be important questions to answer before you decide if $10/mo is affordable or if the principle is too offensive to pay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -SetsunaFSeiei- · 2023-10-05 00:06 Sweet, thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DACRepair · 2023-10-05 00:12 I mean, I wouldn't just ASSUME we don't know. I too am a SWE, and I can say for sure this is not the case. Since access is implied by purchase of the device, it's fairly safe to assume it doesn't follow the same perpetual/subscription licensure model (ie like many enterprise softwares do). If you want to get into the thick of it, you can bet the user model / API changed to support the additional subscription calls. This is likely accounted for when the client subscribes to whatever push service they are using. Since the app is simply an interface to a whole slew of stuff on the server side, just "using an old app" doesn't always fix this, especially since they are pushing a new monetary model via their API. Image recognition, motion detection, and push notifications have to be handled somewhere somehow. Many services do allow for older app versions to work because they version their API. Since this is entirely closed source, and is now being monetized, I would feel safe to assume that it's more likely an unversioned API, or they simply push "access denied" to older versions. Mind you I could be totally wrong, and as I don't have one of these devices to test this. It does stink when reddit goes full hivemind, but you have also shown another aspect that reddit has an issue with: giving those a platform who either don't know enough or at all about a subject. While this is great for those of us who are here to learn, sometimes making assumptions and being arrogant about it kinda shows what I am talking about. I doubt this is a case of "reddit being reddit", it's more likely reddit calling out your arrogance. As always this is a place of discourse so please feel free to point out where I am wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thrillsteam · 2023-10-05 00:32 Wyze camera with zoneminder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rov3rrepo · 2023-10-05 00:43 I didn’t say it would work forever. It may work another week or two as they allow customers enough time to update the app without all of the sudden losing access. I didn’t read the document, just saw the screenshot and thought I’d leave a quick band-aid fix for OP to give a try while he decides if he wants to pay for the subscription or better yet, finds a free alternative. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SirLoopy007 · 2023-10-05 01:00 Love them and use these for my kid too. Only negative was having to use the App and make an account to do the initial configuration. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- G1zm0e · 2023-10-05 01:55 I do use protect, for interior cameras and doorbell, they also record there also. The interior cameras also do an RTSP stream to DWSpectrum but do NOT RECORD, I use it more so I can see all the cameras at one time. Exterior Cameras (13 cameras) all go to DWSpectrum and record. I use to have an all unifi setup but at this house I couldn't justify the cost and amount of cameras I would have to add for the same coverage... Why do I still have the Unifi one? Besides having a UNIFI NVR-PRO still.... We use the unifi as baby cams and watching the main public areas where the kids play (loft/playroom and living room). Unifi makes it easy to clip videos and the app is easy for my wife. Also the Cameras are not ONVIF and neither is the doorbell. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- armorer1984 · 2023-10-05 03:44 A Wyze camera with RTSP firmware and Blue Iris does the job. Make a rule in the firewall to block traffic from the Wyze cam to the internet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- thisiszeev · 2023-10-05 05:52 Gotta love them capitalists... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- suddenlypenguins · 2023-10-05 06:33 I don't get what Scrypted is for? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Manuborg · 2023-10-05 07:11 You can import HA devices in Google Home. It requires a bit of work but you can do what you're asking here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CoNsPirAcY_BE · 2023-10-05 07:46 How will a vpn or reverse proxy work with him getting notifications? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- decstation · 2023-10-05 08:12 If the camera has no need to communicate to the internet and blue iris is on the same VLAN then just set an incorrect gateway on the camera. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- burger4d · 2023-10-05 08:19 Do you need an app to install a Tapo camera? I hate how all these companies make us download their app and make an account just to setup the camera. Reolink, amcrest, even FOScam now does it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- redge76 · 2023-10-05 09:27 >pressure Pressure ? Why ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PurpleEsskay · 2023-10-05 10:16 Yep people like my folks are the prime audience. They're retired, have a fairly large house and instead of taking my advice and letting me set up security cameras for them they bought about 10 ring cameras and pay for their subscription, and spend their lives changing batteries. They dont care, it works and does exactly what they want it to do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- chebum · 2023-10-05 10:19 Just let the baby sleep in your bed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TheFreedomrep · 2023-10-05 12:06 It’s a bridge, like I have it to convert a Tapo to HKSV so I can use the included part of my iCloud + and have the facial recognition from photos library ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jkirkcaldy · 2023-10-05 12:33 don't you need to subscribe to scrypted nvr for this to work? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- p_ng · 2023-10-05 12:45 Is there any software to help me with cry detection, instead of simple motion, from an ip camera or just an audio stream? I red lot of stuff about machine learning approach, but never found something that "just works". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eX-Digy · 2023-10-05 13:06 Agreed, the wastefulness of these devices is appalling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dhrandy · 2023-10-05 14:05 You mean like Google, Canary, Ring, Echos, IFTTT, Amazon Music, and many others have done... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ZAFJB · 2023-10-05 15:47 Human. Just as has been done for millennia before. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quinyd · 2023-10-05 18:16 As far as I can tell, you need their app for the first setup, but then you don’t need it anymore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- desqviewX · 2023-10-07 19:12 They have to host the video and run AI against the video (on their servers) for that type of detection. That costs money. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- armorer1984 · 2023-10-12 18:31 The last I checked, Wyze and some of the other cheap cloud-based cameras don't let you set the gateway or other network settings. And if they did, I wouldn't trust that they would abide by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- decstation · 2023-10-13 07:12 If they accept dhcp then you could set a reservation including a broken gateway there. So long as you weren't actually using a standard setting like .1 i have no way how the cameras could work out what it really was.