Why is IRC better then XMPP? reddit / irc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Franz3_OW · 2023-03-18 02:13 The title says it all. Can you make a case for why IRC is better then XMPP? Im looking around for a communication system and IRC and XMPP seemed the most appealing, so Im looking for some advantages and disadvantages. Thank you for your answers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-03-18 02:33 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AGodThatCanDance · 2023-03-18 02:46 IRC is primarily oriented towards group communication, whereas XMPP was oriented towards user communication. XMPP is federated, and IRC is not quite federated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Azifor · 2023-03-18 04:43 I would imagine as many xmpp servers you install and federate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zeamp · 2023-03-18 16:43 Yes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- notanewbiedude · 2023-03-18 21:01 If you're looking for federated communication, Matrix is so much better than XMPP that I don't think XMPP should even be part of the conversation, which makes it more difficult for me to recommend to anyone. I'd prefer a matchup between IRC and Matrix. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Franz3_OW · 2023-03-19 12:13 As far as I know, Matrix is a metadata honeypot and very dependent on their main server which I dont like because im looking for something really decentralized. Thats why I asked for XMPP vs IRC. Also, matrix as an organization with its history is kinda shady if you ask me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- www-404-city · 2023-03-25 14:24 [\+1323](https://search.jabber.network/stats) This is not an exact number. Total private XMPP servers [\> 50.000](https://blog.prosody.im/2020-retrospective/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- www-404-city · 2023-03-25 14:44 Group chats in XMPP are similar to chats in IRC with additional features. IRC chats predated XMPP chats. Since the question here is "Why is relay chat better?" Some people like old things. Technically XMPP chats are better, but many XMPP users also continue to use IRC along with XMPP. IRC have their own unique old audience that can't be found anywhere else ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Franz3_OW · 2023-03-25 14:48 I see, so you are saying that the community is a big part of why people still use irc? very interesting. Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nelmaloc · 2023-03-25 16:07 IRC is federated too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AGodThatCanDance · 2023-03-25 16:27 It's not federated as XMPP (or email) where separate networks (or MX domains) can communicate with each other. It's more of a linked servers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SouthernIcelion · 2023-03-25 23:57 IRC is simply fun! For example irc.rizon.net with port 6697 is pretty much still alive, why not simply visiting and trying out? Channels are for example #chat #chatters #chatfriendly or #townsquare and #nerds and #computertech Have i mentioned it that it needs new users again? So if anyone reads and wants to join there with normal irc software or bouncers/ZNC - your contribution is more than welcome! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kwinz · 2023-03-29 08:45 Please give sources and/or supporting arguments for those claims: Matrix is 1. a metadata honeypot 1. very dependent on their main server 1. less decentralized than XMPP and/or IRC 1. as an organization with its history kinda shady Thanks in advance! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nelmaloc · 2023-04-04 11:03 It is in fact more federated than both XMPP and email, at the same level as Usenet. For instance, on email (I believe on XMPP too, but I'm not sure) the mailing list group@serverA doesn't communicate with the one on group@serverB. > It's more of a linked servers. That's what networks are. I hope that someday the major IRC networks join together and form a global network, like in the 80s. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dildo-beckons · 2023-04-13 08:07 it isn't. for security between senders and recipients, XMPP with OMEMO is still used today. IRC does not have such forward secrecy and its no wonder why facebook messenger and whatsapp where originally built on XMPP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Majestic-Produce-975 · 2023-05-14 19:22 Report on your desk? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- guptaxpn · 2023-05-21 01:43 This is just deeply incorrect. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nelmaloc · 2023-05-21 06:08 So, uh, are you going to elaborate or just say that and leave?