Pretty sad that IRC is losing ground to proprietary tools. reddit / irc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EvolverOcelot · 2019-04-28 21:34 That is incredibly sad. They're not even trying. Several of the problems listed are going to remain problems on any other platform, and others could be mitigated by requiring users to create accounts and connect with TLS. Sadder still, they, Mozilla, are willing to eschew an open, robust, and thoroughly documented system with proprietary junk which is all but guaranteed to mine user data. The only things they could possibly get out of this decision are more bills to pay and emoji support. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TingPing · 2019-04-28 22:07 > The only things they could possibly get out of this decision are more bills to pay and emoji support. Making IRC a good UX means investing development time; Ditching it for Slack/Discord/Matrix/Whatever is comparably very cheap. (And Emoji work fine on IRC of course) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dirtydan · 2019-04-28 22:34 Losing? Usenet and irc have been wastelands for years. I fucking hate it. Walled gardens are bullshit. Real advances in technology occur on open platforms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jotebe · 2019-04-29 02:01 Fair, but isn't Matrix open source/federated? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TingPing · 2019-04-29 03:44 It is. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LtWorf_ · 2019-04-29 07:24 Meanwhile, when the spammers are in action, debian and ubuntu channels only allow authenticated users to write. Why couldn't they do the same? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nei-- · 2019-04-29 08:00 Here is a summary from Rust why they found IRC inadequate https://yakshav.es/from-the-rider-down/ (from before Mozilla shut down) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LtWorf_ · 2019-04-29 09:01 > But also, IRC is a red flag for many. And that reputation is well earned. Citation necessary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ortizjonatan · 2019-04-30 01:35 For lazy admins who see "6667" == IRC == Bot C&C channels. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2019-05-01 11:26 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- whistlepig33 · 2019-05-02 20:09 The only real difference I can see between irc and discord/slack/etc is the audio/video built in rather than on other layers and that most people don't use it anymore. Probably because most people never used it. The common person never chatted until it was built in on aol and then later icq and others. The fact is that most people trust proprietary more and want to be spied on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- whistlepig33 · 2019-05-02 20:13 > it’s irresponsible of us to ask our people – employees, volunteers, partners or anyone else – to work in an environment that we can’t make sure is healthy, safe and productive. The crux of the problem, I think. Its a bunch of text on a friggin screen. In what world can a person look at spam and mean words and call them unsafe? This pansy world, that's where. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sgryfn · 2019-05-02 20:19 Agreed. Anyone arguing that they feel threatened by this is a pansy, as you put it. You have a lot of human options before getting to being offended. Laugh at them? Challenge them? Enter a dialogue? Or....now this is a really crazy idea...just completely ignore them until they go away or an admin spots them kicks them. Or your could swap all your principles and buy a proprietary solution that has the same issues but with emojis url preview. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ilovethosedogs · 2019-08-11 05:17 >IRC is an ongoing source of abuse and harassment for many of our colleagues What's up with this cultish trend of labeling everything "abuse and harassment"? That's what the media keeps talking about against Facebook and Twitter "allowing" "harassment" on their platforms, and now this fucker. No wonder he turned off comments. He can't take criticism or people thinking differently from him. Fuck him and fuck this "blue checkmark" culture.