Is FreeBSD more like Linux these days? Someone commented it is. reddit / freebsd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MakingHange · 2023-06-25 13:35 Here's the comment; **Comment 1:** >all the serious community members left after the coc and only a unstable joke reminds > >its getting to be more linux than linux, i cant pull any big pkgs without pulse being installed also **Comment 2:** >freebsd is so linuxy now, and its been quite unstable since like 12 or so, so many desktop packages you cannot pull in without linuxisms polluting your system, which is just not very bsd > >the way you -have- to choose and stick wit heither ports (always compile from source every time) or pkg (out of date packages, lack of packages, no build settings so things like vlc cant use ASS subs) is kind of gross. especially since your only options for managing that ports build system are a couple of massively complex and bloated programs like poutrierre ---------------------------------------------------------------------- msapka · 2023-06-25 13:37 Init system says otherwise. Hardware supports says otherwise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MakingHange · 2023-06-25 13:42 Also, what did that man mean by "coc", if you know? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Xerxero · 2023-06-25 13:46 Code of conduct. Some people have issues with it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MakingHange · 2023-06-25 13:54 Code of conduct for the FreeBSD employees? Or anyone using it? And, what's so controversial about it? The man also called it CIA sabotaging. I don't know if he's serious. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- whattteva · 2023-06-25 13:55 Sounds more like a bunch of immature babies, who are also ignorant, to be honest. Comment 1: I don't know what he's talking about, my system doesn't have any pulseaudio, but I'm running i3wm, so maybe window manager choice matters. Comment 2: It's so easy to just say "so many desktop packages", but what exactly are they? Out of date packages mean he's using Quarterly and is also an ignoramus cause you can switch to Latest very easily and it's all documented on the Handbook. Build settings are configured by building ports.... That has always been kind of the point of the ports tree. The binary packages are always built to whatever the defaults are. Does he expect a binary to be built for every possible combination of build flags? That just sounds ridiculous. How many builds does he expect a software to be released in? 10? 20? If he doesn't get that.... again, just a big ignoramus. Also, the bit about CoC. The code of conduct [requires users to](https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html): * *be friendly and patient* * *be welcoming* * *be considerate,be respectful* * *be careful in the words that you choose* * *be kind to others* * *when we disagree, try to understand why.* It just sounds to me that you should carry yourself like a rational and mature adult in a civil society, and when you disagree, you should elaborate rationally as to why. None of that sounds unreasonable.... unless you're an immature baby who struggles to convey your thoughts in a rational and logical manner. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Xerxero · 2023-06-25 13:57 For committers afaik. It was couple of years ago so no idea what exactly the issue was but google is your friend. Should also be in this subreddit. You Edit The comments about the Linuxism are valid but that is hardly FreeBSDs fault. Most packages are build with Linux in mind. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- daemonpenguin · 2023-06-25 14:06 No, he's not serious, he's trolling you. The Code of conduct is, as with all codes of conduct, only for people contributing and interacting with the developers. CoCs never apply to users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bonfuto · 2023-06-25 14:30 When our project adopted a code of conduct, it was predictable who complained. Also, they mostly hang around to say some other project is better, so that contribution might not be missed. But they are still hanging around saying that project is better, so I guess the coc didn't really affect them as much as they thought. Our experience has been that people only violate it when things don't go their way and they rage-quit and fork the repository for a dead end project. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cockservative777 · 2023-06-25 14:57 Considering systemd is a feature creep clone of launchd, wouldn't it be better call it 'osxism'? /s ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Creative-Address6055 · 2023-06-25 15:03 Guess we're still sticking with our quirky ways then! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Plenty-Librarian-777 · 2023-06-25 16:12 Actually, no not really. The complaint there about things like pulse being pulled in with packages is true, and similar issues exist with packages, but that is not because it's becoming more linuxy per se. Most of those packages are actually developed for linux (basically ported linux, at least on the desktop software side of things), and are ported to provide users with desktop related software, to an otherwise mostly server OS. And the base system is still true to that, everything else is a cherry on top, if you want it for desktop use. Most of that software, if not all, is developed for linux, which has a much larger userbase, and in turn more developers, maintainers etc. Porting them to freebsd needs maintainers than at least have to patch them to work on freebsd, and anything more than that would be way too much work for individual maintainers, not to mention they would have to repeat the process with version updates. So what a package pulls in depends on what the original code relies on and needs to be ported too, to work with minimal hassle. p.s At first I did find those things a bit annoying, (VS-Code for instance pulls in alsa stuff and bash), but reality check makes me grateful all that software is there, and you realise that when things actually don't work; not when they do work. Thanks to those maintainers who actually port in the first place. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- crosslynx · 2023-06-25 16:26 I've been experimenting with VMs. I get everything to work right, full Gnome desktop and all. When I try to do the same on a physical machine, it doesn't work so much. It's because most of the time you have to configure devices to work correctly. Which leads me to my next experiment, building and custom PC with all the right components so I won't have to do much. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MakingHange · 2023-06-25 16:48 That's cool. Hey, if you don't mind me asking. Are you neurotypical? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- crosslynx · 2023-06-25 16:55 Lol, I just didn't read the post, only the title. My fault. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EstablishmentBig7956 · 2023-06-25 17:57 No because even some of the programs they both have work a little different. They are still years behind on wifi and Bluetooth support. But it's definitely not something that you can't use for an every day desktop or server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Original_Two9716 · 2023-06-25 22:48 These two comments are actually very true. CoC is bullshit as almost all CoCs are. Linux has commercial HW support. And it's always new and shiny but Linux polluted vs. traditional conservative BSD with less bells & whistles. And... don't waste time with ports. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-25 23:27 > The Code of conduct is, as with all codes of conduct, only for people contributing and interacting with the developers. CoCs never apply to users. **Not** true for the FreeBSD Community Code of Conduct. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-25 23:33 # [FreeBSD Community Code of Conduct | The FreeBSD Project](https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct/) * published 2020-06-09 * [history in GitHub](https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd- doc/commits/main/website/content/en/internal/code-of-conduct.adoc) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-25 23:35 > For committers afaik. Not only for committers. > It was couple of years ago … I'm aware of a 2018 controversy that surrounded a previous CoC. Not the current Code. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-25 23:37 > The man also called it CIA sabotaging. I don't know if he's serious. Without seeing the source, I guess that he was one of these three: * joking * off the rails * uninformed. ---- Postscript: the source was easy to find, I'll add a link. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-25 23:39 > CoC is bullshit -1 I think not. When did you last read the Code? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-25 23:53 ### [How does FreeBSD make money? : BSD](https://old.reddit.com/r/BSD/ comments/1409s74/how_does_freebsd_make_money/) was the origin of *Comment 1* in the opening post here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-26 00:02 I responded "Get with it, daddy-o." to an earlier comment from the same person. [The parent comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1409s74/how _does_freebsd_make_money/jmupd3f/) from /u/motific was amusingly imaginative, suitably upvoted and award-winning. In this context, my use of "daddy-o" was probably not an [egregious](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/egregious) violation of the FreeBSD Community Code of Conduct. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-26 00:07 ## [My review on using each main BSD for roughly 1 month each : BSD](h ttps://old.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/14ejdi9/my_review_on_using_each_m ain_bsd_for_roughly_1/) was the origin of *Comment 2* in the opening post here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sahkanaga_Writer · 2023-06-26 04:28 A better solution might be for groups of like-minded individuals to fork instead of taking the BMW (bitch, moan, and whine) approach and souring the community. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sahkanaga_Writer · 2023-06-26 04:41 Purists and visionaries should fork and create their dream OS, imho. I surmise the majority of FreeBSD users today were Linux users in the past. It should not be viewed as odd that many of these users want to incorporate what they were comfortable with in the past, as well. Why fault them for their preferences? Instead of criticizing, just create. GhostBSD has been successful at forking and creating something different. Why not follow their example? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Xerxero · 2023-06-26 06:34 2018 sounds about right. I didn’t follow it close enough but did they made changes since then? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dorin00 · 2023-06-26 06:47 It looks to me that someone made a very linuxy comment instead. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MichaelHMich · 2023-06-26 07:17 if your issue is about the sound system you better look for Panasonic or something like that if you need a code of conduct you probably had no education at home as a kid, you always can opt out and go living in a cave somewhere this kind of question comes up every year again, just like Christmas, but without presents, senseless, I could say Freebsd has so many punks using it, I better go using Linux... but the thing always is PIBKAC, it's something what never can be fixed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Playful-Hat3710 · 2023-06-26 17:54 once someone starts complaining about codes of conduct I become very skeptical about everything else they have to say. The coc for freebsd seems like a wordy way of saying "act like an adult," and if people can't handle that they can always go find something that fits them better. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ForbiddenRoot · 2023-06-27 08:01 I am unfamiliar with the controversy around the CoC, if indeed there is (or was) one. Is this the Code of Conduct in question, the FreeBSD Community CoC? https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct/ I am really finding it hard to see what is "bullshit" or contentious about it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iron_lion_zion_lion · 2023-06-27 11:39 [off-topic] BMW - nice turn of phrase! Not heard that one before. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AccurateVictory · 2023-06-27 15:27 this is not the CoC of the discord. anyway... who reads such things? :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AccurateVictory · 2023-06-27 15:28 > The coc for freebsd seems like a wordy way of saying "act like an adult" Something an adult doesn't need. Paradox :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AccurateVictory · 2023-06-27 15:29 having linuxers is fine, having gamers though, be prepared for the downfall... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grahamperrin · 2023-06-30 06:13 > 2018 … did they made changes since then? Yes, and there's a publication date; please see [the pinned comment](h ttps://old.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/14imh39/is_freebsd_more_like_ linux_these_days_someone/jpiy31o/). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- k3nrap · 2023-07-07 18:51 >no build settings so things like vlc cant use ASS subs I just want to note here that there are build options for `multimedia/vlc` and VLC has an option for rendering ASS subtitles. In fact, when you run `make config` in the port directory, that very option is **enabled by default**. And that means it's already available when installing VLC from the pkg repos. https://preview.redd.it/3ovxqbc69lab1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=w ebp&v=enabled&s=d79141d67f64974ae3664ed47e4394deeecb5b64 Well, who would've thought? FreeBSD isn't "kind of gross" after all. Check and mate. ♟️ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- wettoast55 · 2023-12-05 01:44 Stilly troll, FreeBSD is a server OS, always has and always will. You can only blame the Linux community for Linuxism.