Gnome 44 reddit / freebsd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AhmedNabilG · 2023-04-17 11:43 sorry for my simple question but can I know when we will get gnome 44 on freebsd ❓❗ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unix4you2 · 2023-04-17 12:37 I think You asked in the correct place. I'll ve waiting for an answer too. https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd- gnome/2023-April/004164.html Best regards. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IanArad6 · 2023-04-18 01:58 That must be a lot of work mainly because GNOME focuses more on GNU/Linux with systemd. Another big desktop environment, KDE Plasma is kept more up to date. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zinsuddu · 2023-04-18 04:22 A few new developers need to step forward to commit to the [FreeBSD Gnome development repo](https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports- gnome/). Gnome can run very nicely on FreeBSD but a very few developers have made it work, mostly *one* developer. There have been zero commits to FreeBSD Gnome in the past month. The question is not *"When will we get Gnome 44?"* but *"When will we get Gnome 43?"* or the real question is *"Will someone reading this start bringing the bits and pieces of Gnome on FreeBSD up-to-date and make some pull requests to the repo?"* [Start Here.](https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Original_Two9716 · 2023-04-18 06:18 Try Xfce, tune it properly. It's faster and amazing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2023-04-18 17:08 i3 or die ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Playful-Hat3710 · 2023-04-18 17:45 gnome will be harder to be as up to date as it is on linux. Gnome is tied up with linux and systemD. Keeping it up to date on non linux systems will require a good deal of work that someone will have to volunteer to do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jloc0 · 2023-04-18 19:58 I started to look at gnome locally with intentions for this but having never actually packaged anything on freebsd, I have to learn things. I’ve helped bring up to date [gnome on Slackware ](https://github.com/mac-a-r0ni/gnome_core-slackbuilds/)so many things/patches would likely be the same or at least similar but my interest in gnome itself is waning since it’s such a pain to use on systems I enjoy using. I’d love to do it just to see it happen, but time is limited with other projects already taking up much of it. And I’m not overly familiar with the internals of freebsd as much as Slackware. (Though I do love to use it). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mlcarson · 2023-04-18 22:11 It seems like a waste of developer time to me. They're making their own path with SystemD and seem to like making design decisions which annoy their users. I think XFCE, MATE, and KDE are enough. I'd almost rather see something totally new than another Gnome desktop for FreeBSD. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zinsuddu · 2023-04-19 14:40 I too have difficulty working up *that* much interest in Gnome. Plasma and xfce work great on FreeBSD and if Gnome 44 were available I probably wouldn't use it anyway. I would like to see it available to show off FreeBSD as a viable professional workstation for all (former linux) users. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jloc0 · 2023-04-19 17:57 I basically use Firefox and a terminal. Gnome is a nice clean, fancy gui around those things but it’s not something I entirely need. Sure, the apps are also nice, but I rarely use them. Sadly, I had done a few gnome pkgs and things seemed fine but I had wiped my hdd to upgrade 13.2 (I know I can do this inline) and I didn’t think to backup anything because I just didn’t have the interest to carry on. Gnome is a lot of work to keep running and it’s already worn on me on Slackware. But the other guys keep refining things and continue to improve the experience overall. It is really nice, it just has limited uses to me. And I don’t know if I could successfully migrate everything for FBSD. I may give it a try again, but it won’t be overnight. Lots of planning involved and considering other deps, time to make considerations, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zinsuddu · 2023-04-20 04:50 Jacoutot and a few other devs do a good job of keeping Gnome up to date on OpenBSD and it runs well there -- they have kept necessary changes to polkit and consolekit2 -- lack of systemd is not an insurmountable problem. Gentoo Gnome team also keep Gnome up to date on non-systemd linux with OpenRC using elogind (so the system runs gnome perfectly but without putting systemd in charge of init, dns, logging, mounting, etc.). All of the [systemd severe vulnerabilities](https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability- list/vendor_id-15978/product_id-34874/Systemd-Project-Systemd.html) over time would have been avoided by using OpenBSD and some or most of the severe vulnerabilities would have been avoided by using Gentoo with OpenRC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Playful-Hat3710 · 2023-04-20 14:42 Is gnome on openbsd as up to date as it is on say fedora or open suse? I can't speak about Gentoo but using openrc would avoid systemd issues, sure. It's just that the task of keeping something as big as gnome up to date must be a lot of work. Op is asking about Freebsd and while gnome is available, it's not as up to date as it is on other systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zinsuddu · 2023-04-20 19:59 Gnome on OpenBSD is kept up to date, in roughly the same sense as Ubuntu is "up to date" (they each have releases every six months). As of today OpenBSD has the Gnome 43.4 release. Gnome 44.0 was released by upstream one month ago; any wrinkles on OpenBSD will be ironed out on [The OpenBSD Ports Mailing List](https://marc.info/?l=openbsd- ports&r=1&w=2) and Gnome 44 will be released on OpenBSD Current *"soon".* I don't agree that using OpenRC will avoid *all* ***systemd*** security vulnerabilities -- it depends on which component has the vulnerability and whether that same component in ***elogind*** brings the vulnerability along with it. The way to avoid all systemd security holes is to run \*BSD or antiX. I will claim that the basic system services used in BSD have had **zero** severe security vulnerabilities in the time that systemd has had N, where N is an integer greater than 1. severe = beyond critical ... easily exploitable and gives intruders complete access to your computer I've heard that keeping Plasma up to date is even more work than Gnome because of the very large number of Qt and kde frameworks and plasma libraries required, and because they update on different cycles! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Playful-Hat3710 · 2023-04-20 20:42 I meant up to date as keeping with latest version, as the original question of the thread is does Freebsd have the latest version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MindTheGAAP_ · 2023-05-24 14:34 I’m getting terrible screen tear in plasma. Gnome and Cinnamon are butter smooth on my hardware Using T480 laptop ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zinsuddu · 2023-05-26 19:07 That's interesting. I must admit that since I posted a month ago I've been working mostly in Gnome 43 on Gentoo and of course get very smooth graphics. On FreeBSD I use my fluxbox / rox-filer environment which has served me very well for years. I don't even own a laptop -- only work on workstations with big screens and *many* drives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MindTheGAAP_ · 2023-05-27 01:42 Never tried those I tried installing FreeBSD on old desktop with Nvidia graphics and unfortunately it didn’t boot. Nvidia 340 is not supported any longer