FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE Now Available reddit / freebsd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dr3mro · 2020-10-27 23:30 nice ! but sadly i cannot use it for now as the hardware i have has less than optimal support .. but i wish i come back soon to the sane unix system ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bombshelter329 · 2020-10-28 01:25 What's the best chipset to go for wireless in FreeBSD 12.2? Looking for something usb. From the hardware notes it seems nothing really supports AC just yet? I see iwm mentioned, but it states in the man page that only up to wireless g is supported. Just looking for a little guidance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- msouza_rj · 2020-10-28 02:00 I\`ve seen this in the release announcement about AC support. But have not yet experimented in real hardware. Wont be able to do so for about some weeks... Has anyone checked? Some of the highlights: * Updates to the wireless networking stack and various drivers have been introduced to provide better 802.11n and 802.11ac support. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd- announce/2020-October/001993.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bombshelter329 · 2020-10-28 02:07 I read that as well, which got me excited. I think what they mean is just ifconfig and hostapd support AC. None of the drivers listed in the hardware notes say they support it. If you read them found here. https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.2R/hardware.html Best I'm able to come up with is a few USB wireless n devices. Hoping someone tells me i'm wrong though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-10-28 05:23 [removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- gonzopancho · 2020-10-28 05:25 co-owner of Netgate here (co-sponsor of the work), we're focused on Atheros (Qualcomm) for the AP side, but for clients, the goal is to get full 11ac support for Intel, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- vermaden · 2020-10-28 05:40 Could you write more? Which part of your hardware does not 'fit' with FreeBSD? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dr3mro · 2020-10-28 07:25 I have a thinkpad x250 which is very will supported but in a desktop i cannot live without the built in 3g modem and bluetooth speaker .. finger print sensor Those are deal breaking for me And sd card works with expermental rtsx kmod but it breaks sleep in a laptop But the overall performance and the system design i way better than GNU shit I wish some one will create a BSD that utlises linux kernel drivers Or BSD 13 fixes those issues for me i will certainly come back ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _jo_ku · 2020-10-28 08:47 Can anyone comment in more detail on this line `The jail(8) utility has been updated to allow running Linux(R) in a jailed environment.`? What exactly can I do with it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- vermaden · 2020-10-28 08:52 Yes, these kind of devices (especially Bluetooth) can be problematic with FreeBSD. Neat workaround can be made with Creative BT-W2 adapter, check this out: [https://xosc.org/bluetooth.html](https://xosc.org/bluetooth.html) [https://ifconfig.se/bluetooth-audio- openbsd.html](https://ifconfig.se/bluetooth-audio-openbsd.html) I never used finger print sensor on FreeBSD so I can not help You with that. I assume that all that hardware 'just works' on Linux? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ydna_eissua · 2020-10-28 09:50 Just did a binary update via `freebsd-update`. Made a boot environment to careful in case something goes wrong. But in typical FreeBSD fashion it's solid as a rock and is working perfectly thus far. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- linuxbuild · 2020-10-28 12:48 See [https://bsd- hardware.info/index.php?view=net\_wireless\_model](https://bsd- hardware.info/index.php?view=net_wireless_model) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- linuxbuild · 2020-10-28 12:51 Guys, add your hardware to the new database by: pkg install hw-probe hw-probe -all -upload See [https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/new-hardware-database-for-bsd- systems.75651/](https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/new-hardware- database-for-bsd-systems.75651/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bombshelter329 · 2020-10-28 12:57 This doesn't show you much of anything to be honest. It just shows what chipsets people have in their computers. Not what chipsets are actually supporting N or AC for example. The driver might work, but it might only be supporting b or g for example, you have to read each man page to figure it out. It was stated above that AC is only supported by AP's right now. That intel drivers for AC are coming later. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nahnah2017 · 2020-10-28 13:03 I'm just reporting that, on my old test laptop--an i386 with 4GB ram and 285GB hard drive, no desktop software--the upgrade took exactly two hours to complete. ~~Somewhere here in this sub, someone stated it took three hours to upgrade. Somewhere else it was stated they heard it took someone six hours, though that might have been on a RaspberryPi.~~ EDIT: Apparently they were talking about major upgrades and not minor point upgrades such as this one. So any reasonably current system should not take longer than two hours. UPDATE: I just finished updating an old server with just about the same specs as the laptop above. I did not time it, expecting it to take about two hours like the laptop above. To my surprise, I sat down about 35 minutes later and it was asking me to reboot and do the second install. So the whole thing on this server was something over 30 minutes but far less than an hour. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- zachsandberg · 2020-10-28 14:06 I upgraded last night. So far, so good! Thanks FreeBSD devs! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dr3mro · 2020-10-28 14:35 Yeah i am now using VOID XFCE as its the most BSD like linux out there ---------------------------------------------------------------------- daemonpenguin · 2020-10-28 15:12 I don't know and the Handbook seems oddly mute on this point. In the past I have used jails to run GNU/kFreeBSD installations. Basically GNU packages from Debian that were built to run on the FreeBSD kernel. However, this seems to be something different, but I'm drawing a blank when I search the Handbook for details. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- vermaden · 2020-10-28 15:20 Ok, thanks for sharing that info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- scratchifoo · 2020-10-28 16:54 Hello, I have a T530 and the finger print reader works fine. I'm not sure if X250 has the same kind of reader or not. I used this guide to set it up: https://hauweele.net/~gawen/blog/?p=408 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rhavenn · 2020-10-28 17:17 The majority of my AWS servers I manage take about 15 - 20 minutes between minor release versions (11.3 -> 11.4) and maybe 30 minutes for major jumps (11 -> 12). However, these days I just spin up a new one, push the configs and re-attach my data / DB volumes from the old systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AlinuxB · 2020-10-28 18:02 Still have problem with Thinkpad with AC9260, NUC AC3168, BeeBox AC3160 with N network. Totally disappointed but can not leave FreeBSD :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- itsnotmad · 2020-10-28 18:09 Is this user necessary?+tests:\*:977:977:Unprivileged user for tests:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin This is from the update process that compares the /etc/passwd files also in the groups, etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- msh_03 · 2020-10-28 18:38 There has been a fair amount of sponsored work on the linuxlator, maybe this means that running Linux in a jail has gone from “something possible but never done” to “something regularly tested”? (Just a guess) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tofazzz · 2020-10-28 19:17 Upgraded all my servers from 12.1-RELEASE without issues as usual. Great job! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- breakone9r · 2020-10-28 20:57 There's at least one wiki where someone has ubuntu running in a jail. This is the result of that work. https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lwhsu · 2020-10-28 23:32 AC9260 should be supported by iwm(4), what's your issue? Maybe it only needs to add its pciid to the driver. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lwhsu · 2020-10-28 23:34 This is the default user to run the regression test suite located in /usr/tests. Not 100% necessary if you don't care running them, but no harm to have it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- throwaway997918 · 2020-10-29 00:33 How on Earth do you get an i386 wired up to 4GB of memory? Are you sure it's not 4MB or another processor? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AlinuxB · 2020-10-29 03:33 Thank you for your reply, the issue is, my laptop and other systems with FreeBSD can not connect to only 802.11n network, I have to set AP to 802.11g then all of devices connect to AP. in the man page mentioned does not work with N only networks, I have to only use 802.11g is it right? How can I add pciid to the driver? I am new to BSD, coming from Arch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _jo_ku · 2020-10-29 06:32 That was also my thought. I had hoped to gather some more background information or documentation/reference on that particular change, because most Linux on BSD stuff I find still seems clunky and half- baked (at least to me), what is the exact opposite of what a FreeBSD admin is used to. It'd would be of interest for software that is not yet in the ports tree and/or dockerized though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- linuxbuild · 2020-10-29 06:58 Agree ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lwhsu · 2020-10-29 07:44 Oh it's unfortunately true that iwm(4) currently can only use 802.11g network. But fortunately that there is a Foundation sponsored work on improving the WiFi status, see the last two quarterly reports: [https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2020-04-2020- 06.html#Intel-wireless-and-11ac-update](https://www.freebsd.org/news/s tatus/report-2020-04-2020-06.html#Intel-wireless-and-11ac-update) [https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2020-07-2020- 09.html#Wireless-updates](https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report- 2020-07-2020-09.html#Wireless-updates) And I don't think adding pciid will help in this case, that is for when the driver doesn't recognize the device because the same or similar chips but have different pciid. For the detail, something like this: [https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/12.2/sys/dev/iwm/if\_iwm.c?rev ision=365670&view=markup#l5922](https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng /12.2/sys/dev/iwm/if_iwm.c?revision=365670&view=markup#l5922) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nahnah2017 · 2020-10-29 11:54 I meant a FreeBSD i386 system not an 80386. I just woke up but I think even an 80386 can address 4GB but I'm not going to look it up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bombshelter329 · 2020-10-29 17:15 Just read what I typed the other day. I didn't mean for that to come off as rude if it did! <3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-10-29 17:23 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- itsnotmad · 2020-10-29 17:24 Interesting to me that it wasn't there before... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- throwaway997918 · 2020-10-29 18:38 Haha, that explains it. It can address 4G virtually for sure, but I'm pretty sure the package doesn't have all 32 pins wired up to the address bus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lwhsu · 2020-10-30 05:10 check test(7) manual page for more information :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TorMazila · 2020-11-01 18:40 We have Autodesk FLEX licensing server (linux 32-bit executable) running in a jail for over 5 years now. And the FreeBSD version there is even older. Something like 7.x, iirc. Running that required bumping up linuxulator version variable to 2.6. Surely, it's not a full-blown linux environment (though that usually worked as well) and it's not loading of a linux kernel module either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TorMazila · 2020-11-01 19:11 Using linuxulator is typically due to : \- "we have no other choice, there are only linux binaries" - typically this means unpredictable set of risks (as those executables are providing some service/etc.). And it's not that uncommon as we may wish it to be. So, FreeBSD has to update its linuxulator code to catch up with newer linux kernel versions. An endless process. \- "we're too lazy/lack time to compile package X so we just take a linux binary and run it" \- "we're looking for trouble, so why not"