Why would I run FreeBSD over Linux (Manjaro) reddit / freebsd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-08-04 18:02 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nahnah2017 · 2020-08-04 18:05 If you want to play games, get a XBox or stay on Windows. Or at least a PlayStation cause that runs on a modified FreeBSD OS (so does the Ninetendo Switch). Otherwise, people who use FreeBSD are either professionals or hobbyists with a serious passion. If you're just a user with no technical interest or need, follow my first sentence above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 18:07 hobbyists for a serious passion in what? Why do people use FreeBSD? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sixStringHobo · 2020-08-04 18:19 Did you come here to shit on the OS, seriously? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 18:20 How am I shitting on it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sixStringHobo · 2020-08-04 18:23 Really? You're making assumptions before your questions are answered. If you're genuinely interested, my apologies but you're coming off rather arrogant. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 18:24 What assumptions am I making that your having an issue with? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-08-04 18:36 Interest in operating systems and its design ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-08-04 18:36 And I use it because of efficiency, and I can build it how I like it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oakstave · 2020-08-04 18:37 Sorry to interrupt, but just some thoughts. FreeBSD is not a 'Desktop Distro'. It's the base OS. That makes your question tricky. Because the reason I use FreeBSD on KDE Plasma is surely not the reason someone else is using Lumina. So your question rephrased is: Why should I run a 'do it yourself' desktop OS of my own construction, pick and configure my own packages or ports, write a firewall configuration file, choose and configure a permissions manager, and create and my own desktop, rather than a pre-baked distro like Manjaro that has done all the work for me? I think that answers itself: People don't want a pre-baked distro who has already made those choices for them. People who want to do that themselves. However, if you are asking how Manjaro compares against actual pre- baked distros like GhostBSD? I use both, and Linux is probably the better choice. I would say the BSD Desktop is functional, but not as fast or expansive as the Linux Desktop experience. Gaming just isn't 'there' in the BSD world. But it would make a great workstation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 18:39 First of all, thank you for the clarification. I thought FreeBSD was a desktop distro but that doesn't seem to be the case. So it seems that most people run FreeBSD for the customisation. The thing is though, if I was technically apt, I could also just do this with the Linux kernel no? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 18:43 Fair enough, although this seems eerily familiar to Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wing-Tsit_Chong · 2020-08-04 18:56 You should always make the plunge, what do you have to lose? There's nothing at the bottom that will strike at you. Also you don't need to be interested in server stuff to run FreeBSD. FreeBSD offers you a journey to learn more about the operating system and it's parts. It also provides you with the freedom to only install software directly built from source by yourself, which in itself is an interesting experience. I don't know what you mean by gaming and iffy, but FreeBSD supports a lot of games, here's a list of games directly installable from the ports repository [https://www.freebsd.org/ports/games.html](https://ww w.freebsd.org/ports/games.html) To start, I suggest reading the handbook, maybe start with some history: [https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en\_US.ISO8859- 1/books/handbook/history.html](https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO88 59-1/books/handbook/history.html) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Max-Normal-88 · 2020-08-04 18:56 SystemD. Also what’s that about games? Gaming is not the OS’ main purpose and the community is smaller than the one of Linux. If you like playing computer games go for MS Windows or get a PS4, these are the platforms people write games for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- arx4368 · 2020-08-04 18:56 No, we don't run it "for the customization". It's not fragmented as fuck, doesn't make you re-learn basics of system management every few years, more (be them as half-baked as ever) features are not more importantant goal than functionality with simplicity.. I could go on.. As I see it Linux caters to corporate businesses and bling-bling- seeking youth who doesn't mind breakage as long as its accompanied by constant change and "new features". Im too old for this shit. I want stable system I don't have to re-learn every second full moon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 18:58 How is FreeBSD more functional than Linux? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oakstave · 2020-08-04 19:03 No problem! If you were technically apt enough, you could write your own kernel and OS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 19:04 Ok, and that leads me back to my first question. Why would I spend time setting up FreeBSD over Linux? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- freakinunoriginal · 2020-08-04 19:07 Probably because FreeBSD is descended from Unix, and Linux was designed to be Unix-like. Things like systemd feel very un-Unix, and while there are alternative-init distros a lot of Linux projects these days assume systemd will be present. At this point if you're using Linux you might as well leverage systemd unless you have a specific use case. And zfs started on Solaris and made it to FreeBSD because of license compatibility, while Linux needed a decade or two to get enough momentum for ZoL (and tried their own alternatives like btrfs). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oakstave · 2020-08-04 19:07 Hard to say. Maybe if you answered a couple questions: Why would you learn Linux over Windows? It games better. I think Windows 10 even boots faster than most Linux distros. Why did you bother to use Manjaro over Windows 10? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TestyBot001 · 2020-08-04 19:07 > I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as > Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, > GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but > rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made > useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components > comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. > > Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, > without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of > GNU which.... Read full explanation [here](https://pastebin.com/raw/Ek4CuarW) This is especially relevant in probably your comment, the freedom aspect by which "Linux" is known is highly dependent on GNU. You can have a "Linux" system that is basically completely different from the standart "Linux" desktop. By saying "GNU/Linux" you are also helping other people not to fall into such crucial pitfalls ^(You can optout by replying with "gnuopt" to this comment) [](https://98.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-04 19:08 My hardware just meets the minimum requirements to run Windows 10, so it wasn't very fast unfortuntely. I'm mostly using Manjaro for the performance gains. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-08-04 19:09 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- pi4pri · 2020-08-04 19:15 Not really. A lot of decisions are met depending on your distribution. Like in 90% of the distros your service management will be handled by systemd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- oakstave · 2020-08-04 19:20 Excellent answer. That being the case, I don't recommend FreeBSD for your general desktop use, because you'll likely find the performance lacking compared to SystemD/Gnu/Linux OS's. For instance, the time it takes to launch X applications like browsers in FBSD is atrocious. It's a minor headache, but definitely noticeable. But if you said it was because you respected and wanted to learn as much as possible of Free Software, and Open Source Distros... That you wanted to dig into your elbows in your OS and really understand why it does everything it does? Then FreeBSD might be a great learning tool that also provides a decent desktop experience. FreeBSD has excellent documentation, and uses a lot of 'human readable' configuration files. It's a great way to understand UNIX in general. I also love learning OpenBSD, and have two computers running that as a Desktop OS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dark-light92 · 2020-08-04 19:31 Why would you do something? I don't know... Don't you know? You should know... right? So, I'm gonna ignore the question that you asked and answer the question you wanted to ask. The question being, what are the advantages of FreeBSD over Linux as an Desktop OS? To be frank, not many. The primary advantages are quite abstract: \- Stability \- Consistency (As the OS won't change dramatically like it happened with systemd & linux) \- Centralized development of the OS The disadvantages can be deal braking such as: \- No steam for gaming (or gaming in general with a few exceptions) \- No netflix or any other streaming service with DRM. Which is a shame because Netflix servers are all FreeBSD... (Youtube... etc work fine.) \- Virtualization stack is not as polished as KVM & QEMU... So, basically, for work it is great. For entertainment, not so much. For the above reason, I haven't been able to put it onto my machine... but soon, when I get a dedicated machine for work... (or I'll just dual boot) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-08-04 19:43 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darth_Ender_Ro · 2020-08-04 19:45 Jesus, hold your horses mate, what's your problem? Are you itchy today? The guy asked legit questions. Do some push-ups to chill, seriously. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- arx4368 · 2020-08-04 20:05 Are you some sort of provocator? Term "functionality" can have multiple meanings. Analogue for you: Axe is a functional tool. Simple axe with wooden handle often ends up working out better for its intended purpose than space-Age Fiskars axe with polymer handle and extra features (you don't often even need) Things break, complicated things break more often. Broken tool has no use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grublets · 2020-08-04 20:05 If you're really looking at gaming, you're running Windows, like it or not.If you're needing a clean, polished operating system where a single group takes care of the kernel and default userland, FreeBSD is pretty damn sweet. Honourable mention to OpenBSD as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kairenn · 2020-08-04 20:10 Why are you getting provoked by a normal, simple question? He is just asking to learn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- arx4368 · 2020-08-04 20:14 Shitty experience with hardcore Linux fans in the past. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sixStringHobo · 2020-08-04 20:29 Maybe. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ferdelva · 2020-08-04 20:45 No offence meant, but if you don't know why you would want to run BSD instead of a linux distro, probably your use case is better served with a distro like Ubuntu or Manjaro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ferdelva · 2020-08-04 20:47 Btw, I forgot, the community is polite, will try to give nice answers when Arch users would just write "RTFM" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- massimog1 · 2020-08-04 21:41 This ^. FreeBSD is a complete operating system which doesn't do any major changes so you have to relearn everything. It performs better than Linux in some ways (IIRC networking) but isn't a choice if you would want to game on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nahnah2017 · 2020-08-04 21:50 Stability. FreeBSD does not change or add things for the sake of change. And those changes that are made are well thought out and tested. Documentation and sensibility. Things are where you expect them to be. It makes sense where they are. And it's well documented. And it will be in that same place five years from now. FreeBSD is a complete system. It's not cobbled together from other parts. That is, this complete system is maintained by the same people who work on the kernel. It's created as a whole and not a sum of someone else's parts. (It's a human being and not a Frankenstein's monster.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Willy_Fred · 2020-08-04 22:04 When somebody says an OS doesn't support games, just substitute games with Steam. People want to be able to play mainstream new games. Windows of course runs all the Steam games, and due to a lot of work with Wine and Proton Linux runs most. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Willy_Fred · 2020-08-04 22:06 This isn't as true anymore. Proton has been a game-changer for Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Willy_Fred · 2020-08-04 22:08 Reading through this I've seen a lot more shitting on Linux, than anyone saying anything bad about FreeBSD. This whole thread is an inferiority complex diagnoses. Dude asks a valid question without judgement and everyone gets defensive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wing-Tsit_Chong · 2020-08-04 22:10 That's what we mostly assume. But someday we'll be wrong and shut somebody off from experiencing freebsd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grublets · 2020-08-04 22:12 Yeah, it's (basically) a wrapper for Wine, etc. I use something similar on my Macs ([PortingKit](https://portingkit.com/)) but still go to a Windows box for gaming on the TV. It still chokes on some of the latest DX things. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- deafphate · 2020-08-04 22:14 I've used Fedora for years, and recently installed FreeBSD on an older laptop. I think the question you need to ask yourself is what you want to use it for. For me, I'm wanting to get back into C programming and the man pages and documentation is very well done and complete. That was the selling point for me. Software wise, I'm not seeing any software today I use on a daily basis that's not already available as a package (or port). I'd say that Linux has better hardware support. I had to compile some drivers from the ports system (which I believe are ports of Linux drivers), so it took a little work to get my hardware working. The OS is very stable, and I haven't observed any issues updating the system compared to updating between Fedora versions. I don't game on PC any longer. All of my gaming is on consoles these days. If gaming is a deal breaker for you, use whichever system runs your games. Computers are meant to be used after all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wing-Tsit_Chong · 2020-08-04 22:16 FreeBSD is not Linux. Linux was at some point something like Unix and freebsd is Unix. They share ancestry and freebsd provides some kind of binary compatibility layer for programs compiled for Linux but it's not interchangeable. You should try freebsd for the freedom it provides you and the wholeness of what it is. Linux is a kernel, stuffed together by a distribution and packed with a lot more software coming from a lot of people. Freebsd on the other hand is a complete system from one team sharing a common goal and common ideals. That offers advantages, you can see in how the operating system and e.g. zfs work together and provide a high level of integrity and "stuff that just works and works together" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sinethial · 2020-08-04 22:57 FreeBSD is a great place to learn Unix. In the old days it came with a HUGE handbook. You can download it or order a paperback copy on Amazon. FreeBSD documentation is superior. Even the man pages have Unix history. FreeBSD did have (might still do) cvsup scripts in (memory from 2005) in /usr/share/etc/examples where you copy the files to /etc where you see things like #uncomment this line to add X. Under sysv and systems you can't do this. This is because RC in /etc are full programs/scripts. Not config files. Cvsup would pull shit in an automated fashion similar to ports for nice hacks. Speaking of /usr/ports those are cool too as you tweek. FreeBSD has ZFS and better networking and more reliable file sharing too compared to Linux. The difference is Linux is just a kernel and shit thrown on top with a distro. FreeBSD is a complete operating system. What I mean is that the patches under /use/ports don't just change the makefiles to compile. It's fully Integrated and has a team. Not a guy who downloads stuff only like in a Linux distro. Depends what you want to do. For Office and games I prefer Windows. To learn or run a NAS in your home I prefer FreeBSD. I guess if you prefer Linux desktop stuff stick with Linux. Also the FreeBSD Handbook has stuff outside of installation from using latex to setting up a web server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sinethial · 2020-08-04 23:00 You can configure Xorg and installing a gui is as simple as PKG install. Out of the box is Unix and its less bloated. It's up to you where to take it from there if you like a minimalistic feel. Play with it in a VM? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrRichBOB · 2020-08-04 23:12 ... because you are developing on the platform or because you need a server that is even more trust worthy than Linux, as trustworthy as it is, that doesn't do much more than serve data. But you still might need to fine tune the security more than on Linux, unless you NEED backward compatibility. You really don't “need” one OS over another one. It is what works for you. If you just want security, use neither, use OpenBSD. Edit: also, gaming is not what 99% of people do 99% of their time. People who use FreeBSD keep Linux for gaming. If you are asking that question, you may not want to mess with this OS or even Manjaro. Manjaro is very user-friendly, but it is not as easy as Pop!\_OS to deal with long-term. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nahnah2017 · 2020-08-04 23:12 >They share ancestry No, they do not share ancestry. FreeBSD's ancestor is UNIX. Linux ancestor is what Linus cobbled together in his dorm room. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nahnah2017 · 2020-08-04 23:15 This is reddit. You will eventually get someone like him to do that. Just ignore him and it will end. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- channingwong · 2020-08-04 23:18 >PS4 Doesn't the PS4 and the switch run FreeBSD? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- keybwarrior · 2020-08-04 23:25 Yea ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2020-08-04 23:35 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sunjay140 · 2020-08-04 23:40 I installed FreeBSD once and it was laggy as heck once I booted a GUI. But NetBSD was silky smooth but I ran into an issue that made me go back to Arch Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sunjay140 · 2020-08-04 23:45 As long as there is an abundance of emulators (and I can use a PS4 controller), I don't need Steam. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sunjay140 · 2020-08-04 23:46 Why doesn't anyone show any love for NetBSD? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- grublets · 2020-08-04 23:50 I used to use it a lot but then went to OpenBSD soon after Theo started that project up. Still maintain a basic VM image for completeness in my stable, but it doesn't get cloned very often. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jeremymorgan · 2020-08-04 23:52 If you're interested in gaming it may not be the choice for you. If your primary use of your machine is for something that can be done well in FreeBSD (there's a long list) then here's why you would use it: **It's a fast, stable, and secure foundation for your machine.** If your operating system is a foundation, FreeBSD is a very solid one. For instance, I primarily use my FreeBSD machine to develop software. It's set up exactly how I want and stays out of my way. It runs very fast. I can focus on *developing software* rather than constant updates, tinkering, and removing viruses. In this case, the "best" operating system is the one I don't even think about. That's my personal experience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sunjay140 · 2020-08-04 23:53 FreeBSD is unix-like ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ryze_cotch · 2020-08-05 00:10 No, the switch doesn't run freebsd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ryze_cotch · 2020-08-05 00:20 While Linux is UNIX-like (some linuxes are indeed UNIX certified), freebsd is Linux like. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kyleW_ne · 2020-08-05 00:35 I made the switch from Manjaro Testing to FreeBSD and have never looked back. FreeBSD is so much more stable and I don't break my system with pacman. It is next to impossible to break a base FreeBSD install because it is a cohesive package and not a collection of packages plus a kernel. User programs like Python for development work of KDE or XFCE or Firefox are updated every quarter and I have never had any problems. Even having to deal with the Nvidia binary driver I have minimal problems setting that up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quasimo_to · 2020-08-05 01:17 And still, noone was able to explain to me how I'm shitting on it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- menexttoday · 2020-08-05 02:00 Stability and reliability. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- edthesmokebeard · 2020-08-05 02:31 Distro hopping is a disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- edthesmokebeard · 2020-08-05 02:33 As opposed to what you cobbled together in your mother's basement? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sinethial · 2020-08-05 02:57 It is Unix. It's a direct descendent of SystemIII author of the vi aka vim editor part of any Unix. The reason it's simplistic in any base install that doesn't include bash is for POSIX compliance. It was father of SunOS, Ultrix, early Cisco OS, and other real Unix system and 1.0 version of FreeBSD even had real AT&T code in it. It's an insult to call it Unix like in my opinion even if AT&T lawyers said so. Linux is a cool bling toy OS which is Unix like in many areas but is not even POSIX compliant ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sunjay140 · 2020-08-05 03:11 From my understanding, it was at one point a direct descendent of Unix but every single line of Unix code has since been purged from the BSDs. Since all Unix code has been purged from the system, FreeBSD is a reimplementation of the Unix behavior. Making it a Unix-Like operating system, similar to Linux and Haiku. Again, this is my interpretation of things but if FreeBSD was found to truly be Unix, the FreeBSD Foundation would be sued into oblivion for copyright infringement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc._v._Berk eley_Software_Design,_Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dargh · 2020-08-05 03:26 Would you care to look at [https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/about/wiki /faq/why](https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/about/wiki/faq/why) and see if you can assist with fleshing it out. This goes for anyone else who would like to contribute to a wiki page we can point people to in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unhappy-ending · 2020-08-05 04:19 Gentoo user here. I don't run FreeBSD, but I have in the past and have nothing but love for the OS. I like the license, it's truly free. I like that it's all made by the same team, the OS/userland that is. I gave it a spin about a year ago because I wanted to test it on bare metal, and it worked out pretty well but the major thing that was holding me back as no proprietary nvidia vulkan support and no widevine meaning no spotify. Of course, there are hacks and ways around to create shims but the main issue was vulkan because on top of using my OS for production I also wanted to be able to play games. It makes me sad to see people say if you want to play games, get a console or a Windows box. No, if the ability is there, then why not both? Why can't FreeBSD also be a good gaming box if you want it to be? I think that's short sighted. Why should someone be forced to get a Windows license or install a shitty OS on their PC if they don't want it? FreeBSD was nice and I had a great desktop experience with it. All my hardware was supported, it was fast and snappy, audio worked perfectly (OSS was much better than I anticipated) and there was a ton of packages to choose from. On the other hand, coming from Gentoo-land, I was missing how easy it was to build from source from the top of the system to the bottom. I keep my eye on it and hope FreeBSD has a great future ahead. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- amirzaim · 2020-08-05 04:40 Gaming on FreeBSD is kinda like gaming on Linux, but no native FreeBSD version of Steam games. You have to rely with those wine program to do that. If you want to do it natively, RetroArch might help you a little bit. Meanwhile, wine requires more decent yet beefy enough CPU to run windows apps. If you're using puny celeron laptop CPUs, then forget wine instead. The best way is just dual-booting FreeBSD and Windows 10 OS, but it is best to dual-boot with their own separate HDD rather than sharing with one HDD. Install these OSses with one HDD drive connected at a time to avoid its bootloader content like MBR been written off, especially with Windows where it just keep writing off the MBR content on very first HDD drive although you install it on the second drive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- arx4368 · 2020-08-05 05:56 Dunno, I am using Windows for gaming. Why go half way about it when you can go all the way. Online gaming on Linux is pretty limited compared to what you can play on Windows. Out of bunch of games I own, Linux support is good only for some Valve titles (counter-streike & co). Forget most else. For example ArmA 3. Linux client port exists but is bunch of versions behind one you have on Windows. Dedicated Linux servers exist but are 32bit binaries while on Win you can have 64bit server binary. Trying to use Linux client online would get you BattlEye global ban instantly because emulation ain't the same as real thing and it would think you are trying to cheat. Want to play anything except messing in mission Editor you have to use Windows. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nahnah2017 · 2020-08-05 11:04 I believe he's the only one who said anything about that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- arx4368 · 2020-08-05 18:13 Just use dual boot. Windows on one drive for gaming, FreeBSD on the other. Don't even need some universal boot loader - select boot device from BIOS. If you want universal boot loader rEFInd works ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bigtreeman_ · 2020-08-05 22:28 I'm enjoying my most recent dive into xxxBSD. I'm using it for the security and simplicity. I still run Debian on another partition (reboot) for running some apps which aren't ported to xxxBSD. I'm also doing embedded arm and Linux is now way too heavy and complicated (thanks to systemd). OpenBSD is sometimes hard work, but a worthy exercise to keep my brain challenged. This is helping me enjoy Corona virus lock down, rebuilding some of my IoT projects around the house on an xxxBSD platform. I wouldn't run xxxBSD over, but beside and fairly separate, there are some advantages to each. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SuperMeteorite · 2020-08-06 02:29 Wait wut ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sinethial · 2020-08-06 23:53 What I mean is the when a graybeard talks about Unix. He means the whole system. Compiler, tools, apps, shells, software, etc. He is not talking about the kernel. When a Gnu/Linux guru comes on he IS talking about the kernel as everything is the same. Hence why experienced folks say distro doesn't matter as Fedora can look and act like Ubuntu or SuSE. Unix doesn't have flash and focus is on documentation and older but useful utilities. If you don't mess with the source code who cares. It seems the Unix guys focus on using stuff while Linux love bling. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lenzo1337 · 2020-08-07 03:48 I can't tell at this point if I just Love BSD or hate myself....I think it's slowly becoming the same thing. Pros: * Good documentation * Great community * Awesome filesystem support * the mascot is really cute. Cons: * Give up on running it on a laptop without hiring a priest to preform an exorcism. * Prepare to cry as you compile ports for days on your legacy hardware while your bacon cooks on your cpu. * pop antidepressants as your system's hardware changes behavior every boot of the machine on fresh install when all the live usbs (linux) work seamlessly with the hardware......this is just my experience so far... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrRichBOB · 2020-08-07 04:24 Out of curiosity, why not use Open SUSE Tumbleweed? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kyleW_ne · 2020-08-07 04:50 Not to knock Suse Linux but I've had some bad times setting it up before. Tumbleweed just sounds even worse with it being rolling release. One of the universities I attended used Suse on its workstations and it was smooth as silk though so I guess enterprise is smoother than personal version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MrRichBOB · 2020-08-07 07:25 Well, I believe OpenSUSE isn't maintained by the same team right? OpenSUSE is like CentOS is to RHEL. I could be wrong. IDK. According to many, Tumbleweed is about like Debian's rolling release. IDK, personally. I never wanted to learn Zypper, so I haven't bothered using it. You know, I may put my main system on TumbleWeed for a while. I am working on a Void Rice right now in VBox, maybe that would encourage me to give it more time to perfect :P ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NitroNilz · 2020-08-07 18:21 Page not found ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NitroNilz · 2020-08-07 18:35 I've seen Steam running non-natively on FreeBSD (YouTube). Also there is Homura and GOG and RetroArch, right? Or just spin up Windows 10 in a bhyve. Or a minimal Linux base with gaming stuff on top. These are my assumptions, not a gamer and a *BSD noob. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sinethial · 2020-08-22 18:22 Still is not Windows. Drivers and other issues like game bugs will never fully mimick Windows. I run games and Microsoft Office on Windows. I run FreeBSD or FreeBSD derivatives like pfSense dual booting or under a VM in Windows. It makes as much sense as running a openssh server in Windows or Apache on it. The question is why? Run whatever you need on the right platforms as storage and ram are dirt cheap in 2020. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sinethial · 2020-08-22 18:27 I totally don't get the whole community or purpose of the distro. The only thing I can come up with is I am l33t aw3som3 dudez because I know ARCH and you all suck because you don't know what I know kind of elitist attitude thing. My answer is who cares? Get any chicks with that pickup line? All the cool kids care about phones these days not ancient desktop stuff and half these aging users still think it's 20 years ago when this stuff was cool and haven't realized the world has moved on.