Mildly amusing: when subscribing to DragonFly users mailing list reddit / BSD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mcnst · 2022-06-12 11:28 It's diverged quite a bit now, but I think even Matt still frequents the FreeBSD mailing lists occasionally. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rdcldrmr · 2022-06-12 12:17 DragonflyBSD uses FreeBSD's ports tree because they cannot maintain their own repo. The FreeBSD port of mailman uses that image by default: https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/mail/mailman/files ("powerlogo.png") It's easy to change, but, judging from how old the version they're running is, it looks like nobody over there is even maintaining their infrastructure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- kraileth · 2022-06-12 14:31 They certainly are struggling to keep things up to date, but in case of mailman specifically, a lot of people probably expected to move to mailman3 at some point. However that's a complex beast and not even FreeBSD has a complete port for it, yet (a basic port has been available since late 2020, it's very incomplete and also widely out of date). But you're correct: John Marino who conceived DragonFly's dports moved on (after FreeBSD introduced port flavors) and handed over maintenance to a few volunteers who are unable to keep things up to date. He created a new ports project called [Ravenports](http://www.ravenports.com/) which was meant to succeed dports on DragonFly, but since the ports count is much lower, this has not happened, yet. It has better tooling and automation features, but also unique challenges due to being cross-platform (supporting DragonFly BSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD as well as Solaris and Linux for package creation). If anybody is interested in that, feel free to ask questions. I contribute to that project (I'm not a dfly user, though). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- joscher123 · 2022-06-12 16:05 Is anyone actually using Dragonflybsd as a daily driver, maybe even on the desktop, except for Matt? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OIHipster112 · 2022-06-12 16:57 I think a few are. I did for a year. It's an OK system for most usages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CSI_Tech_Dept · 2022-06-12 19:35 I'm wondering if adopting Nix could be a reasonable solution. It feels like it is what ports wanted ultimately to be. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- malenkydroog · 2022-06-12 21:31 I was using it a couple of years back (as a desktop daily driver) -- however, I eventually stopped because I needed to use the programming language Julia, and couldn't find any way to get it functioning in DfBSD. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sehnsuchtbsd · 2022-06-12 23:21 They could just switch back to pkgsrc, honestly. There would be some challages to face at the beginning I suppose, since DragonFly is no more a first-class citizen in the land of pkgsrc. However, since pkgsrc has been recently reported working reasonably well on DBSD for day to day tasks, it could be certainly done. FreeBSD doesn't care about other platforms, so DBSD is own its own maintaining the repo. This wouldn't be the case with pkgsrc. That said, they surely had their own reason to ditch it at the time, and migrate to ports. I dare wonder if those reasons still apply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fupjack · 2022-06-13 00:56 You are correct, it's the default image - that version is also the most recent version in ports, so that's what any DragonFly (or FreeBSD) machine would end up with when installing today. I'd update it if the port was newer. Binary packages for DragonFly are being rebuilt on a near-continuous basis; it's a huge computational load so a good way to test your system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rdcldrmr · 2022-06-13 00:58 > that version is also the most recent version in ports, so that's what any DragonFly (or FreeBSD) machine would end up with when installing today. I'd update it if the port was newer. Huh? The image says 2.1.34 and the port is at [2.1.39](https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/mail/mailman/Makefile) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- aswellian · 2022-06-14 05:19 Yes, but they likely aren't on Reddit. DragonFly users, based on my experience and interactions, tend to be very technically proficient and don't necessarily ask a lot of questions on forums. Ask the question on the DragonFly mailing list, you may be surprised how many do use it, and the reasons why... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fupjack · 2022-06-15 03:38 Oh, I was expecting it to get to version 3 or something like that... it's been at 2.1.xxxxx forever and I didn't even look at the trailing numbers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rdcldrmr · 2022-06-15 13:38 The version you run there came out about two years ago and has at least three CVEs assigned to it. Sounds like my original comment about Dragonfly's infra being unmaintained is correct then. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fupjack · 2022-06-16 13:01 An email to bugs@ or [users@dragonflybsd.org](mailto:users@dragonflybsd.org) when you see a problem is the best way to report an issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lazy-xo · 2022-06-18 18:28 Thanks for pointing out the *real* Beastie to everyone- not this false daemon people now follow. The silly round head has made us forget the very first “Powered By” was he.