alternatives to gmail reddit / BSD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2022-04-26 04:00 I've been looking for a better alternative to Gmail. Or more specifically one that's open source and privacy respecting. I've looked online but I've only found those terrible "top 5/10" lists that have nothing useful. I figured I'd ask here because I can see other people's experiences and what they prefer instead of a pros/cons list that is obscure and useless. Possibly useful information: I will be using the mutt email client on openbsd 7.1 with CDE ( if you know of better email clients that are similar to mutt please let me know aswell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- desnudopenguino · 2022-04-26 04:13 https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/4yjvgg/ethical_email_prov iders/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share has some possible solutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2022-04-26 04:13 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2022-04-26 04:13 Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2022-04-26 04:14 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MousseKing · 2022-04-26 05:04 riseup used to be good ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ngc604 · 2022-04-26 05:21 ProtonMail is very nice. Been using it since it was beta. Found a couple articles stating it works with mutt but only with protonbridge. Protonbridge is open source. From a quick search it appears bsd users need to use hydroxide(mit license). Here’s a link in case you don’t want to search for it. It’s a few years old but a free ProtonMail account should allow you to test it out. https://astro-gr.org/openbsd-protonmail-and-mutt/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jacalz · 2022-04-26 05:44 I’ve had a great time using https://tutanota.com/sv/. It works well and protects your privacy at the same time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sehnsuchtbsd · 2022-04-26 07:52 [RiseUp](https://riseup.net/it/email) (requires invitation), [Disroot](https://disroot.org/), [Infomaniak](https://www.infomaniak.com/), [Posteo](https://posteo.de/en), [Mailbox.org](https://mailbox.org/en/), [SDF](https://sdf.org/), any of the [tildes](https://tildeverse.org/). I mostly use SDF with a MetaARPA subscription (allows remote SMTP), and Riseup. I do have a Disroot account, but mainly use that for XMPP. Self-hosting is a viable choice, even with a standard home network contract at zero cost. There are free DynDNS services to use like [afraid.org](https://freedns.afraid.org/) (SDF with MetaARPA includes a mdns -Meta DNS- service) and free outbound SMTP relay services (to prevent spam filters of major providers like M$ and Google from blocking your IP), like [DuoCircle](https://www.duocircle.com/email/outbound-smtp). My mail server runs [notqmail](https://github.com/notqmail/notqmail) on NetBSD-current on a Raspberry Pi 4. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- graemep · 2022-04-26 14:32 I self host my personal email domain (using mailinabox, which is very easy to setup, but only runs on Unintu Linux so may not be good for people who strongly prefer a BSD), but I have been hestiating over moving my business one because of ooutbound SMPT issues (I cannot send to MS services like Hotmail) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2022-04-26 14:54 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sehnsuchtbsd · 2022-04-26 15:11 Care enough to provide any evidence? I've never seen even the slightest incitement to violence nor any reference to illegal activism and organized crime in any of the riseup.net mailing lists I'm subscribed to, like [degrowth](https://degrowth.se/what-is-degrowth-1), [sustainable food places](https://www.sustainablefoodplaces.org/get_involved/) and [radical films network](https://www.dcrc.org.uk/our-work/radical-film- network/). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sehnsuchtbsd · 2022-04-26 15:25 > I cannot send to MS services like Hotmail Yes, that's why I mentioned oubound SMTP relays like DuoCircle, which offers 1000 relays/month for and much more for few bucks (more than 1000 for a single account may be only needed upon writing to mainling lists or using DeltaChat). [smtp2go](https://www.smtp2go.com/) also privides 1000/month for free. [No-IP](https://www.noip.com) is a DDNS service provider which optionally offers 150 relays/day for ~25€/year. There are more. Unfortunately most major/corporate mail providers rely on Spamhaus for their filters policies, and Spamhaus [PBL](https://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/) flags as spam all addresses found within dynamic IP ranges. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- graemep · 2022-04-26 16:14 I should have said, your suggestions were helpful and thanks for adding another two. I am running it on a VPS, not on my premises so its not dynamic or on a residential IP range. On the other hand I have a static IP at home, so could try running it locally - my main worry would be what to do if there is a problem while I am travelling. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sehnsuchtbsd · 2022-04-26 16:40 Well then, if you have access to a VPS or a business contract with a static IP, I see no reason it shouldn't possibly work out of the box (did it in the past) even with outlook and gmail recepients, providing that you're using smtps/submission, that certificates and reverse- lookup are fine, that SPF/DMARC/DKIM/CAA records are in place, that the domain's reputation is ok and a suitable default headers format and a safe econding is used. Or is Microsoft really that hostile now to private mail server users? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- graemep · 2022-04-26 16:49 All set up correctly, the domain has no bad history (had it for many years, and very low volumes of mail). No problem with Gmail or others, only Microsoft. They seem to be pretty hostile to private mail servers - a lot of other people have had the same experience. They may or may not change their mind on review, in my case they did not. As far as I know there are no problems with the IP, and it is not on any spam blacklists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sehnsuchtbsd · 2022-04-26 17:01 Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to keep this in mind for future projects. This is such a bad time to live in with regard to centralization in internet services. Freedom was silently lost after having been traded for conveniency. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2022-04-26 18:40 [deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2022-04-26 21:38 [deleted]