MidnightBSD 1.0 now available reddit / BSD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jsalpha2 · 2018-10-12 14:21 [http://www.midnightbsd.org/](http://www.midnightbsd.org/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jsalpha2 · 2018-10-12 14:22 Downloading now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- skoef · 2018-10-12 16:12 What is the typical advantage of MidnightBSD over PC-BSD, or TrueOS as it’s called today? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- illumosguy · 2018-10-12 16:58 1) like DragonflyBSD, MidnightBSD is an actual fork, TrueOS is not: TrueOS is a FreeBSD spin continously predating CURRENT with some changes applied, OpenRC, LibreSSL, Lumina, pbis and additional homegrown software, mostly GUI frontends included in base. Midnight, is, factually speaking another OS (forked from.FreeBSD 6.1), or a least, a very divergent development branch, which tries to port most new FreeBSD additions giving some sort of advantage on desktop side (more recently they ported bhyve). 2) No bloat, just a clean CLI FreeBSD environment tweaked at its best for desktop usage (not the UI, but the actual OS) with a classic Unixish approach, focusing on WindowMaker (formerly Afterstep and Étoile) and XFCE DEs, providing a simple, fast and easy to use packaging system (mports), with a GUI frontend and a maintained SLiM fork as default DM (mlogind) 3) MidnightBSD's software and hardware support is poorer than TrueOS: the former is practically a one man project ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DonovanNagel · 2018-10-12 19:42 > a one man project This is reason enough not to use it in my opinion. A one man project usually becomes an abandoned project. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- illumosguy · 2018-10-12 19:52 Slackware, as a one man project, has survived for decades, still has a large userbase, and is kept in high regard by almost everyone in spite of its conservative approach. HardenedBSD is basically a 2-men project, still implemented tons of good design concepts in FreeBSD, came up with more than one creative innovation and is still very alive and kicking Tribblix as one man project became one of the best maintained, most reliable and innovative Illumos distributions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DonovanNagel · 2018-10-12 19:57 I use Slackware myself and love it but it's only the dedicated community that's kept it alive. Look at the last Slackware version release - 2016. If Slack didn't have it's dedicated believers, it would be history. Not saying MidnightBSD can't become the same thing. Just more than likely not going to happen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- illumosguy · 2018-10-12 21:11 I think you're right on some points, but it's also true one man project allow a much larger degree of freedom, testing things, adding features, keeping an alternative approach against the current trend, etc...it's not like MidnightBSD has to run on some notorious corporation supercomputer, like FreeBSD, nor tries to set the standard for BSD desktop under iXsystems financements, it's just a niche indie project for the curious geek interested in indie software, free computing, retro-look, BSD researching. Therefore we just might happen to agree on.this topic, except for the fact I'm of the opinion that niche projects (like Illumos on desktop and not just database/cloud: username checks out) are actually very usable and often undeservedly underrated, or, as I like to believe, they're actually the best ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kernigh · 2018-10-13 00:03 The home page links to [a video about the MidnightBSD 1.0 release](htt ps://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=-rlk2wFsjJ4), where Lucas Holt talks about problems porting software to MidnightBSD. "There are not enough non-Linux developers in these projects and it's causing a lot of problems for everybody." He says that LLVM refused patches for MidnightBSD, and GNU autoconf had refused patches for years before accepting them. The same problems happen with other BSDs (and perhaps illumos and Haiku), but I almost never hear about such problems, because I am not the person who ports the packages. I install a package, but I don't know where it came from or why it works on my operating system. OpenBSD's decision to package MariaDB but not MySQL, and LibreOffice but not OpenOffice, and Tor Browser but not Pale Moon, might be related to how those projects handle the BSDs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jsalpha2 · 2018-10-13 01:04 Followed a really old install guide, taking into account that sudo is depreciated. Could not make it to a desktop. package xfce not found,,,,,sigh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ander_bsd · 2018-10-14 08:40 Is still using GNUStep? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- illumosguy · 2018-10-14 18:48 They still try to provide a perfectly functional and tightly integrated WindowMaker port, but GNUStep is not default as base system doesn't include X; it was great fot the MidnightBSD to focus on Afterstep first and Étoile later, a pity both project didn't gain a wide-enough success and were subsequentially discontinued. NeXTSTEP like APIs and DEs are amazing IMHO for the fact they comply to a *nix desktop phylosophy. On the other hand not many are eager to use WMaker nowadays, so it wouldn't have made sense to include GNUStep in base ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [deleted] · 2019-03-10 01:43 [deleted]