Business Insider: "Learn Pascal and you'll always have a job" lazarus / 8-Other ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jwdietrich · 2016-01-20 19:44 In its article "Learn any of these 16 programming languages and you'll always have a job" the New York-based online newspaper Business Insider includes Pascal, Object Pascal and Delphi among 13 other languages. The selection is based on the TIOBE index (again). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- balazsszekely · 2016-01-20 19:55 Is Pascal, Object Pascal a great language? Yes. Can you find a pascal/delphi related job? Hell no! Just open a job search site, select IT then search for Delphi. The result will be infinitesimally small compared to Java, C#, etc...End of discussion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Blestan · 2016-01-20 20:18 so we are some kind of old freaks ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme · 2016-01-20 20:34 Quote from: GetMem on January 20, 2016, 08:55:05 pmJust open a job search site, select IT then search for Delphi. And there is your problem. Delphi is dead. You should instead search for FPC and Lazarus.         [I wish] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme · 2016-01-20 20:36 Quote from: Blestan on January 20, 2016, 09:18:20 pmso we are some kind of old freaks ? Yup! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Blestan · 2016-01-20 20:45 @graeme : any chance to use fpgui on mobile? ios or android  ports? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Leledumbo · 2016-01-21 02:21 Not the first time their article disappoints me: Objective-C is still listed despite its declining popularity. Apple might be saying it will co-exist with Swift for some time, but the fact that it will no longer be developed compared to Swift says the future. But (Object) Pascal existence recognition is somewhat relieving. I know if you open job search site, it will have relatively small entries. But you can actually make the change. I, for instance, just injected a Pascal code as one of my company's microservices. When my team leader said to me to write it in "anything", he couldn't read my mind and can only scratch his hair during code review that he finally saw Pascal code working on our server integrated to our main PHP based platform. Now, if you repeat what I do, Pascal jobs will increase when you depart. Repeat the process in your subsequent workplaces and we might conquer the market again. Really, there are only two possibilities for a language to survive in the market: marketing push from supporting companies and existing running system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme · 2016-01-21 11:49 Quote from: Blestan on January 20, 2016, 09:45:03 pm@graeme : any chance to use fpgui on mobile? ios or android  ports? fpGUI works on WinCE and Embedded Linux devices already. As for mobile phones... somebody did mention to me a while back they are working on Android support, but I have no idea about the progress it has made. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme · 2016-01-21 11:55 Quote from: Leledumbo on January 21, 2016, 03:21:04 amBut you can actually make the change. I, for instance, just injected a Pascal code as one of my company's microservices. When my team leader said to me to write it in "anything", he couldn't read my mind and can only scratch his hair during code review hahaha.... I did exactly the same in a previous job. We always have massive time constraints - they want a tool to improve the speed of mapping data on PDF Forms. With little time available, FPC+fpGUI was the obvious choice for me. 4 Hours later and we had a working prototype. They loved the work and said I must continue. Eventually that product got shipped to clients as well. Later I did a similar thing, needing to write a Windows Service application to monitor a data folder and import CSV files into a MS SQL Server database. Again Free Pascal (and tiOPF) was on the top of my list, and it was easily accomplished in a day. As far as I know those tools are still used on Windows and OSX. If anybody is maintaining it - that's another story. ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ArtLogi · 2016-01-21 14:56 Quote from: Graeme on January 21, 2016, 12:55:30 pmQuote from: Leledumbo on January 21, 2016, 03:21:04 amBut you can actually make the change. I, for instance, just injected a Pascal code as one of my company's microservices. When my team leader said to me to write it in "anything", he couldn't read my mind and can only scratch his hair during code review hahaha.... I did exactly the same in a previous job. We always have massive time constraints - they want a tool to improve the speed of mapping data on PDF Forms. With little time available, FPC+fpGUI was the obvious choice for me. 4 Hours later and we had a working prototype. They loved the work and said I must continue. Eventually that product got shipped to clients as well. Later I did a similar thing, needing to write a Windows Service application to monitor a data folder and import CSV files into a MS SQL Server database. Again Free Pascal (and tiOPF) was on the top of my list, and it was easily accomplished in a day. As far as I know those tools are still used on Windows and OSX. If anybody is maintaining it - that's another story. ;-) Sounds just like a exact copy of a story of 90's Delphi programmers success story. .. In other words similar to these "They did give me a job, a few hours later their jaw did drop, they love the program." I wonder what is the relation with hidden / shout out jobs with these older non hyped languages like Object pascal family, must be just tip of the iceberg what are seen. Also I hope the "more and more?" popular IEC61131-3 ST language (which looks more and more pascal on every iteration) in industrial automation world supports and extends use of Delphi and OP in general. HP also continues the use of pascal, this time with their HP Prime calculator which have somesort of variation of pascal language (instead of sysRPL / userRPL they have used somewhere end of 70's era in their programmable minicomputers called calculators), so more people in contact with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- marcov · 2016-01-21 15:37 Quote from: jwdietrich on January 20, 2016, 08:44:20 pmIn its article "Learn any of these 16 programming languages and you'll always have a job" the New York-based online newspaper Business Insider includes Pascal, Object Pascal and Delphi among 13 other languages. The selection is based on the TIOBE index (again). Which proves again that business oriented IT publications are crap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- jack616 · 2016-01-22 14:46 Quote from: marcov on January 21, 2016, 04:37:30 pmWhich proves again that business oriented IT publications are crap. Once upon a time there was a magazine called Byte. Then they decided that computing was a "business" activity. And publishing was an "advertising" business. History is all that's left.